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Beyond the Sitcom: Discussing Kevin Can F Himself
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Disclaimer: This episode will discuss themes relating to emotional and domestic abuse in the show Kevin Can F Himself. Listener discretion is advised.
In this episode, Satsunami discusses the 2021 AMC sitcom drama Kevin Can F Himself. With all the shows out there critiquing the tropes of sitcoms, how does this show stand apart? How effective does it utilise the sitcom perspective in the way it discusses gender roles? And WHAT show did they base this on?! With spoilers ahead, get your canned laughter and living room set ready as we dive into how Kevin can indeed...well, you know.
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Introduction to Chatsunami Podcast
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Hello everybody and welcome to Chad Tsunami. Just before we begin, ah just want to let you know that this episode will be discussing themes that some listeners may find upsetting, including discussions of domestic and emotional abuse. From the show, Kevin can F himself. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to Chatsunami, a Scottish variety podcast that discusses topics from gaming and films to anime and general interest. Join me, your host, Satsunami, as well as the rest of our Chatsunami team for our takes on these very important pop culture topics. Sir, it's clearly a trap. I accept your page! That happens three times in the film. Every time that general goes, don't do this one thing, he goes, do you know what I'ma do? It's the exact thing.
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It doesn't well. She had the pointy teeth. What was that about? looked like Bilbo when he wants the ring back. ah She did, didn't she? I just want the lightsaber one more time. Parasite says, no, you will get back into your office and work. No, says the man in Zoom. yeah Trousers are for the working man. You're bursting into your hotel room. Honey, we need to go.
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Stay classy and have a banana. This has been chattsunami. I'm sorry.
What is the 'Tyson Effect'?
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In 2015, I remember going to the cinema with a friend of mine to see the martial art film Ip Man 3. And while I'd certainly need to rewatch it to remember the finer details, one scene that stuck in my mind was when the character of Ip Man, played by Donnie Yen, is forced to fight a corrupt property developer called Frank, played by Mike Tyson. Yes, that Mike Tyson. Throughout the film, I remember the two characters conversing with some questionable Cantonese from Tyson, but as soon as he proudly challenges him to fight, the two go at one another, with Tyson's fists literally shattering windows and anything that gets in his way, forcing Yen to go on the defensive. Now, if I had seen that on my own, I would have most likely forgotten it as another decently choreographed action scene in an otherwise alright film.
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But to my surprise, many of the students who had turned up to watch this in celebration of the Chinese-slash-Lunar New Year were actively laughing at it. This led to my friend and I coining a term that, to this day, we still jokingly use. That being, the Tyson Effect. Something that appears goofy from the perspective of an onlooker, but should you be in that situation yourself, it would be terrifying. And somehow, that experience gave me a lot to think about in relation to perspective. and how we only get a snippet of the world around us. From an interaction with the cashier at the supermarket to that one person and you accidentally bump into on the street. These moments may colour our views for a brief moment, but they don't exactly paint a complete picture of what's going on in people's lives. Social media is a prime example of this. A place where our greatest moments are curated for the world to see. After all, who would want to follow someone when they talk about something that may be considered sad or pitiful? Not only that, but the one thing that unites these profiles is the concept of a main character, a focal point for an audience to cheer on no matter how dubious they may be behind the scenes. And while I wish I could say this is a fairly new phenomenon, one very popular example of this is shown through the medium of sitcoms. Characters created in an idyllic world to be as silly as they like, all for the sake of entertainment. From friends to Seinfeld, each person is created to serve as an archetype that will no doubt create chaos within a controlled and sometimes sterile environment. To be honest, this there aren't really many recent sitcoms I can remember off the top of my head that I would actively seek out to watch, as a lot of them seem to either capture the same glory of the ones before them, or try to deconstruct the genre as
Introduction to 'Kevin Can F Himself'
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a whole. Which brings me on to our topic of today's episode, Kevin can F himself. And to any of the Kevins out there listening, I apologise but that is genuinely the title of the show. To be honest, despite it coming out in 2021, arguably one of the best times considering everyone was trapped in their homes due to the lockdowns, it completely skipped me by. It wasn't until recently that I was scrolling through YouTube where a creator by the name of T1J started talking about some show that was half sitcom and half drama but with a dark twist.
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Initially I didn't think much of it to begin with, from the multi-camera shots to the flat lighting, it looked like any other sitcom I'd seen from America, but it wasn't until the episode took a somewhat jarring turn that I immediately paused the video and sought out the series to
Exploring Alison McRoberts' Dual Perspectives
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watch myself. So what is Kevin Kneff himself? Created by Valerie Armstrong and aired on AMC, the show centres around the crumbling life of Alison McRoberts, played by Annie Murphy. The source of said tension arises from her marriage to husband Kevin, played by Eric Peterson. who exhibits stereotypical traits of a lazy and irresponsible partner, which has been seen in countless other sitcoms. During the show, the camera switches between Kevin's perspective that is shot as a multi-camera sitcom, while Alison's life is filmed in a single-camera setup, akin to a regular TV drama. In turn, the show tackles the stereotypes set out by these sitcoms, but not so much in a way that is nothing more than a deconstruction of the genre. Instead, It decides to explore this by telling the story of how Allison is trapped in this cyclical relationship of people-pleasing until she's pushed to her limit. This of course has done great by focusing on one particular trope that we've seen before countless times. The trope I'm referring to, of course, mainly centres around a bumbling man-child whose impulsiveness leads the cast into a series of wacky hijinks at the expense of the characters around him. In real life, this would lead to the person becoming ostracised from civil society, but add some flat lighting, a canned laughter track, and a few cameras, and suddenly things don't seem so egregious. Who cares if someone gets hit over the head or loses all their money? At the end of the day, it's just comedy, right? Before I go on, I should note that while it's not a direct parody, Kevin Knaf himself was inspired by another show aired around 2016 called Kevin Can Wait, starring Kevin James. The show at the time received criticism for both poor writing and eventually killing off his character's wife played by Erin Hayes between seasons, which is something that we'll touch on later.
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nevertheless it provided a proverbial springboard for the creative team to launch from when creating this show. Now, I'll admit, when I heard the premise of this show, I really didn't have high hopes. While the concept was interesting, the idea of a sitcom wife becoming self-aware and deciding to kill off her loutish husband was Something that could have been so superficial. Heck, if you look at the promotional material, you could easily make this assumption yourself. But once I sat down and binged the first season, I knew that they had made something incredible. But what makes Kevin Kneff himself so memorable? How well does it critique these gender roles in sitcoms? And does it have a satisfying conclusion? Well, get your canned laughter and living room set ready as we dive into the world of how Kevin can... You get where I'm going with this. With spoilers ahead, let's dive in.
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So let's start with the story. As mentioned before, the two focal characters on this show are Kevin McRoberts and his wife Alison, both of whom immediately clash in terms of personality. Kevin is a, for lack of a better term, bumbling fool who would rather spend his free time with his dim-witted Fred Neil, Neil's sister Patty, and his father, Peter, who provides unwanted observations during the sitcom section of the show. Alison, on the other hand, is immediately characterised as the responsible one in her first moments, carrying a container of laundry while the others play beer pong in the living room. The duo then go on to discuss their plans for an anniversary party which has been dubbed as an annual Anniversa Rager, despite being 35, Kevin shoots down Alison's request to have a more mature and intimate dinner together in favour of getting drunk at a party which will no doubt all be organised by her after Kevin jokingly hurls a glass into Alison's laundry basket and asks for a top-up. We see her leave the room, only for the perspective to change.
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The colours become more muted as the camera lingers on a deflated Alison, her jovial demeanour no longer present, but instead one of weariness. This then leads to the show somehow becoming two shows in one. The harsh and gritty reality versus the bright and bubbly sitcom fantasy that usually appears when Kevin enters the scene. This tells us everything we need to know about him right away. Kevin is arrogant and self-centered, his jabs veiled by a layer of self-proclaimed comedy. We see this time and time again throughout the show, where he comes away with lines like, oh you know what you like when you try to be funny, shooting down any opportunity to disturb the status quo. In short, this is his world, where everyone is seen as nothing more than ps side characters. Even his wife, who arguably should be his equal, is nothing more than a verbal punching bag. And yet, beyond the realms of his quote-unquote kingdom of his house, he is seen favourably, from hero to local goofball. What I find interesting is everyone in the show knows deep down what he is, yet no one really wishes to challenge him, thereby feeding into his illusions of grandeur. I find it interesting as well that his own father plays a secondary role and is never really seen outside the sitcom point of view. While I wish in a way that they had shown Pete from a realistic perspective, it just goes to show how inconsequential Kevin treats his own family beyond Alison. I want to take a moment to highlight Eric Peterson's acting in these moments as whenever he's on screen you genuinely forget that this is a hybrid of drama meets sitcom. The sitcom parts feel like a generic and wacky family drama, pulling in every trope imaginable. From Kevin's boss coming for dinner that night to the having to be in two places at once gag, these are things that in real life would be stressful as hell, being Kevin's world, are all part and parcel of his aloof nature. The phrase, you love to hate him, springs to mind here, but it's true. Every time Peterson pops up on screen, you get a of refresher about why Allison hates him. Despite the laugh track or his childish nature, there is a sinister
Alison's Self-Destructive Behaviors
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undertone to all of his actions. One example which, again we'll go back to later, is when he decides to cook his special chilli so that the garbage men will give them preferential treatment. He demands that Alison watch them cook a pig for over several hours in their backyard, taking no consideration into whether or not she has other plans. The world is only big enough for Kevin and Kevin alone. There's a lot more that I want to touch on with Kevin, but for the time being, I want to stick a pin on that and turn your attention to the other main character of the story, that being Alison.
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Right off the bat, Annie Murphy continues. kills the duality of Alison in this role, from the dutiful housewife and the sitcom world to borderline unhinged in reality. And when I say unhinged, I do mean this as a compliment to her characterisation. It could have been so easy to make both characters so stereotypically good and bad, with Alison being a paragon of virtue, but to make the relationship more nuanced just elevates the show that much more, with Alison spiralling into self-destructive behaviours that is harmful to those around her just to get what she wants. The two main examples of this are her affair with old flame Sam, who owns a local cafe, and a friendship with her neighbour Patty. Throughout season one she becomes hellbent on trying to kill her husband without arousing any suspicion, and in doing so ropes the two of them into her schemes at separate points, from asking Sam to make a burger from a particular burger chain so that she can poison it, to forcing Patty to drive to Marmont, so that she can acquire pills to stage an overdose. It's clearly not normal behaviour, to put it mildly. But with that being said, despite the outlandish situations she finds herself in, I find there's a somewhat sense of relatability there, from a character who's sick of being the punching bag in her life. In episode 2, she finds herself in the library venting her woes to the librarian about a story she's supposedly writing which involves a hypothetical woman wanting to kill her husband. Perplexed. The librarian asks that if they were unhappy, then why wouldn't the women in the story just leave the relationship, to which Alison tries to justify herself. This of course becomes the underlying question of the series that if Alison is so unhappy, then why doesn't she just leave? Now before I go on, I just want to point out that I'm talking about this issue from both a male perspective and from someone who's encountered people like Kevin from an outsider perspective, but I'd totally get Alison's reluctance to leave as someone who throughout her life has been conditioned to be a people pleaser. In season 2 we get a rather haunting flashback where Alison is at her father's funeral and is constantly being talked down to by her mother about every choice she's made for the day. Except, unlike the gritty drama style that we've become so accustomed to for these conversations, these are filmed within the lines of the sitcom world. Now, I could be misremembering, but I'm pretty sure beyond Kevin himself, Alison's mum is the only other one to be filmed in this perspective. It shows clearly how normalised this cycle of abuse has become in Alison's life, where even her own narcissistic mother veils her harsh words with an air of comedy, with phrases such as, what am I gonna do with you?
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And, we aren't ham people. Now, out of context, that might be a bit baffling and confusing, but it shows how her mum cares more about the thoughts of others, rather than herself, on the day of her husband's funeral. A trait that's subtly passed down. Not only that, it gives Alison this idea that this kind of behaviour is acceptable. That it's okay for Kevin to add act in this way, because it's what she's always been used to. But of course, in the series itself, the tipping point is reached in the first episode, where Alison yearns to be away from the town of Worcester. Now, while I've never been there, and I assume they may be taking creative liberties with the way it looks, I do understand how conceptually a place in the middle of nowhere with little to no prospects can be emotionally draining, coupled with the fact that this is where the characters have grown up their entire lives, it feels like a proverbial shackle that has chained them to this town. Allison actively tries to convince Kevin to move away from the town, but he's always acting childish, from gaming during serious conversations, to being more concerned that his boss is coming over for dinner, and that he desperately needs Allison to be the one to organise everything, but it is until she finally has a one-to-one conversation with Patty that her dreams are finally shattered. when she realises that Kevin has spent all their savings and never told her. This is an absolute gut punch of a moment, as it truly sets in who runs things in Allison's life, and without any act of change, she will be a prisoner of her own circumstances. Of course, that does involve some rather wild plans to get rid of Kevin, but... What's also interesting is, are the ending, he somehow always comes out of these moments better than he had before. But before I go on, I want to touch on another side character i mentioned called Patty, played by Mary Hollison Bowden. This is a really interesting character as well, since Patty fits into the stereotypical one-of-the-guys tropes that you would usually see. I've brought this up in past episodes, but it's something that I used to see a a lot of in the gaming community growing up. that one girl who wasn't like the others, trading typical feminine interests for ones that were at the time more aligned with being more masculine. This then means that they aren't doing what they want to do, but rather doing what those around them dictate are acceptable. The same goes for Patty. who is somewhat two sides of the same coin when it comes to a relationship with Alison. While not trapped in an abusive relationship, she's an excessive people pleaser, going as far as to confess that Kevin lost all their money to Alison, despite never having a really strong relationship with her previously. This then escalates when we find out that Patty is a drug dealer on the side, but does so in a way to help the local community get their hands on pain medication just to tide them over. Of course, this soon leads to her getting intertwined with Allison's own misadventures, but as a pair, the duo are really compelling together. Both of them find a somewhat comfort in supporting one another. And while will admit the start it Alison who's taking the, you know what, with what she's asking of Patty, the balance of their relationship starts to mellow out and it is great seeing them getting occasional, albeit small victory every so often. A semi-controversial point I have to bring up though is a few episodes in, where Patty and her boyfriend Kurt separate after she refuses to accept his marriage proposal. This then leads on to her starting a relationship with one of the police detectives called Tammy, played by Candace Coke, investigating the recent drug dealings in the area. Now, while I have nothing against the relationship itself, it came across as quite sudden and something that belonged to more in this sitcom world as opposed to reality. I get that it adds tension to Allison and Patty trying to get away with the various crimes, And initially I thought it was just Tammy trying to pretend so she could get more information but as the show goes on, you realise that, oh, this is a rather problematic relationship going on here. And considering the whole show is built on a problematic relationship, that is saying something. Some people have tried to argue that Tammy is an abusive character and while I can see that to a degree, it's
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far as I remember, i think it's just more her personality being that of a woman who knows what she wants rather than Patty, who is paralysed with indecisiveness to please others above her own needs.
Patty's Character Development
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So when she eventually quits her job and tries to get Patty to leave Worcester, Patty declines, finally standing up for herself and realising what she actually wants. To be honest, it's not the strongest part of the show, but at the same time, i don't think it's entirely without purpose. Plus, it does make you question if Tammy was partially jealous of how close Alison became with Patty, and not just in a professional capacity. As I said before, gender roles play a significant part throughout the show, and does a fantastic job of illustrating societal imbalance. Now, don't get me wrong. This isn't a simplistic, men-bad, women-good narrative, as both sides have their flaws. Alison isn't absolved of her terrible behaviour because of her relationship with Kevin, but neither is Kevin justified for his abuse. Just because he's portrayed to his acquaintances as just a goofy guy, we can see the effect these traditional mindsets have on the female characters. One such example is with Alison's Aunt Diane, who works in the local liquor store with her.
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and throughout season one encourages her niece to look resentable for her husband. In particular when Alison steals a collector's hoodie that Kevin had spent an obscene amount of money on after wearing the stained hoodie to her job. Alison's aunt says that by letting herself go, she isn't being fair in Kevin, and makes a comparison to herself not wearing orthopedic shoes for health reasons because her husband doesn't find them attractive. This genuinely made me do a double take. as even her own family appears to be on the side that upholds the status quo rather than what's right for her. And while I'm glad she does eventually move away from that mindset when she develops an intimate relationship with Neil, it's no wonder that Alison herself feels backed into a corner. Even when Alison decides to quit her job at the liquor store after a male customer insults her, Kevin is less concerned about the well-being of his wife and more about how they've lost 10% off of alcohol. And speaking of which, Something which becomes very apparent throughout the show is Kevin's relationship with his two loves, fire and alcohol. And if you just thought, Satsu, that doesn't sound like a good combination, then yeah, you'd be 100% correct. Even in the first scene we see Kevin playing beer pong during the day before building up to an anniversary party which is mainly centred around alcohol, but much like his abusive behaviour. This is usually seen through a live sitcom audience who see this as a quirky trait.
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A bit like Homer Simpson in a way. This leads to a myriad of self-inflicted issues, from nearly burning down the house because he gets locked in a basement while the oven is on, to burning a full pig because he passed out drunk in the backyard. Terrible if it happened in reality, but of course means nothing to Kevin in his world. And surprisingly the role of alcohol isn't just limited to Kevin. Alison uses this as a means of escape, while characters such as Sam and Diane are recovering alcoholics who, despite their flaws, do their best to work on improving themselves. This eventually reaches Neil, who is a character I haven't really touched on yet, but oh boy, did I have some thoughts on. Played by Alex Boniver, Neil is a stereotypical slow-witted friend to Kevin. and is often somewhat of an enabler to his bad behaviour, from running an escape room scam to helping Kevin terrorise his neighbour suspected to have st stolen his parcel. He goes along with everything his friend does. This isn't a particularly relevant point, but it did catch me off guard hearing that the new neighbours are Manchester United fans. Are they really that popular in New England? Let me know in the comments, Mandalorians. But that aside, Neil initially annoyed me by just how childish his behaviour was, and this eventually culminates in him accidentally overhearing Alison's plans to kill her husband. In a very disturbing scene, he confronts her in hopes of getting into Kevin's good graces and attempts to strangle her. What really disturbed me in this scene, other than the obvious, was that until Patty intervenes, this whole scene is filmed in the sitcom world. It almost gives a sense of Neil feeling justified for this violent outburst, that it doesn't matter what happens to Alison. Even in this cheery world, her panicked screams are quite frankly chilling, as the viewer takes a somewhat voyeuristic role in how the plot unfolds. Since this is not Alison's world, then she can do little to fight back. It's not until Patty violently drags Neil into reality that his whole character starts to change. While he desperately tries to warn others of Allison's intentions, including Kevin himself, he's instantly dismissed due to his simple nature, and this forces him to step back and re-evaluate everything he's known. This highlights one of the key themes that also runs throughout the show, that being freedom through self-betterment. In his desire to become better, he does eventually hook up with Diane and begs her to make him a better man, to which she replies that it's not her job to make him a better man and that he should seek to be better for himself.
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Personally, i think this is such an important message, but funny enough, much like Allison Patty being two sides of the same boy, A similar argument could be made for Kevin. While Neil breaks out of his own blind loyalty to Kevin, Kevin does what many sitcoms do and decides to replace core characters to maintain a sense of normality. To escape her husband later on, Allison eventually fakes her own death and Kevin decides to replace her with his new girlfriend Molly, played by Erin Hayes. Considering that the same thing happened to her character in Kevin Kim Leigh, the fact they got her to do this role was, quite frankly, a stroke of genius. One clever part that want to briefly highlight as well is that at the beginning of the first season, Alison has a fantasy where she's sitting at a seaside cafe alone, reading the book Ulysses by James Joyce. However, if you zoom into the cover of the book, you'll notice it actually says Joyce something, implying that she's more in love with the idea of appearing to be a sophisticated woman who reads notoriously hard books in her free time. As brief as it is though, this whole section genuinely has so many and interpretations, as you could interpret it as Alison envisioning that this is what her life could have been like if she had pursued higher education, while another could be that she sees it as a representation of self-betterment. And even though she struggles to read Ulysses, Alison at least attempts to try, yet quickly realises that this is not the life she had envisioned for herself. But going back to Kevin... What I find quite interesting is, Alison is the glue that holds his life together. From daily chores to cleaning up after his hijinks, she always the one picking
Confrontation and Climax
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up the pieces. And yet, once she decides to fake her own death, the whole world begins to crumble around him.
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His own father leaves with his new partner without giving Kevin his new address. Neil comes to his senses and leaves, which by extension means Patty does as well. The only one left is Molly who, after being warned off by Alison, decides to decline an offer of moving in and says farewell, leading up to the final confrontation. What I love most about this is how relatively grounded Alison's interaction with Kevin is, finally standing up to her abuser, which in the sitcom world gives her confidence. But as soon as Kevin realises what she just said and the audience cheers one last time, his idyllic sitcom world crumbles into reality and the tone shift becomes darker. What began as a goofy and aloof character has now adopted a sinister nature. Just want to once again shout out both Murphy and Peterson in this scene as their acting between being in the sitcom and the more drama-centric perspective is so well done. One thing I did appreciate in this scene is how they didn't just make him a one-note villain that was more of a caricature. He berates her for wanting to better herself, whether that be through work, education, or travel.
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A common method of control in abusive relationships, after all. In his eyes, why would she bother doing something for herself when he is the most important person in the world, supposedly? This isn't even a one-off moment either, as Allison has constantly stated that he sabotages her life in more ways than one.
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A sickening example of this is at the end of the first season, when Alison goes to a fertility clinic to garner an alibi for another attempt on her husband's life. Up until this point, Kevin had no interest in being a father, but as soon as he found out that she had taken the test, then suddenly he wanted control by deciding that he was ready to be a father. This strips Alison of her autonomy as a woman, where now Kevin is in control of whether or not she should be a mother, but with that being said, she takes the prospect of several mini-Kevins running around less than favourably. Another example was during her time as a paralegal, where she got fired thanks to Kevin. And it was only until she got a job he approved of, that being where he could get cheap liquor, that he left her be. You can also feel Alison's frustration when everything that happens seems to do nothing but benefit Kevin. One such moment being where he accidentally found the gun that Alison and Patty hid from their trip to Vermont. only to fatally shoot the man that Allison ironically enough paid to shoot him. This in turn makes him a hero by the community and once again he's more upset and not enjoying his drinking anymore rather than taking a human life. Honestly there are so many examples I could rhyme off here that are a test testament to the writing team.
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From Kevin reporting his car stolen when Allison repeatedly told him she was borrowing it, as if he had no sense of object permanence, to making his own wife wait at dinner alone while he went off on his own adventures. It was never about the relationship, only the control that he was able to exert over her in small yet impactful ways. But the finale is chilling, and I must admit, while divisive amongst fans, it is probably the best way that it could have ended. After a violent outburst while yelling at his wife that he will quote, ruin her, Alison defiantly leaves the house, to which Kevin does what he does best and gets drunk, burning her belongings and passport, which, while as an overt bit of symbolism, does a great job of highlighting the end of Alison's old life. In turn, he passes out in, much like the burnt pig from the chili episode in season 1, inadvertently sets the house on fire, burning himself alive. And as Alison and Patty sit on the stairs of the burnt-out house, both women pledge to die altogether in Worcester, thereby starting a new chapter in their lives. Although it is isn't explicitly confirmed that they'll go on to be a couple in the show itself. You can't deny that there isn't at minimum a deep platonic love going on there. Well there is a lot that I've not talked about in this review and believe me I could go on for hours praising this show.
Analysis of 'Kevin Can F Himself'
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Kevin Kneff himself is a masterful display of storytelling. I won't pretend this show is without its flaws at times, where sometimes the wacky sitcom plotlines get conflated with the more down-to-earth ones, but I truly think this tackles the themes of being in an abusive relationship effectively, from its cheery demeanour in the sitcom world to the harrowing reality of struggling to break the chains of narcissistic abuse. This is one show that I could not recommend enough. But what did you think of this show? Feel free to share your experiences below as we would love to hear from you. But as always, thank you all so much for listening to this episode of Chatsunami. If you would like to listen to more episodes, and then you can check us out on our website, Chatsunami.com, as well as all good podcast tabs. I also want to thank a Pandalorian patrons, Robotic Battle Toaster, Ghosty and Cryptic 1991. Thank you so much for the support. And if you would like early access to episodes, exclusive and behind-the-scenes content, then you can check us out our Patreon page, patreon.com forward slash chattsunami. But as always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated.