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Welcom back! Life was a bit hectic for us both, so here is a re-release of our first ever podcast. You'll hear Chris, Ron, and Brad (the lost co-founder).
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Introduction and Humorous Debates
00:00:00
Speaker
Good and welcome to the Bidwick Drive Podcast. What are we in Australia? We can't say good morning, we don't know when they're f***ing listening to it, do we? We're doing it in the morning. So? And I don't say good day anyways, I'm not a freaking 1890s European. What's wrong with you? There's nothing wrong with saying good day.
00:00:17
Speaker
That's weird. it's If I say good day, that'd be Australian, but it's not. It's all weird. Hi guys. Yeah, yeah, hi guys. I'm Brad. And this is Chris here. to my right. You can't see him, obviously, because you're listening to a podcast. let' good play Due to the magic of technology, i am to his right.
00:00:37
Speaker
That's true. And then Wiz here is to the left. And if it was about six months ago, he'd also be a little bit to the right and a little bit to behind. But now he's just on one direction. He's lost a little bit of the band. Like not on the band? Yeah. That's weird that we both went there. Anyway. So...
Origins of 'Mythic Giraffe'
00:00:56
Speaker
so um Today, we're just going to talk about a little bit of stupidity, and that would be the name, Mythic Giraffe Podcast. And although normally we wouldn't talk about religion or politics by mutual agreement, even though one of us is denying ever having agreed to it. I never agreed to anything. You did agree to it. We are going to talk about religion this one I'm the marshal.
00:01:19
Speaker
Well, you have to be between the two us, because he's always right. I am always right. Well, but neither one else can agree with us. My job skill is to argue with us. That's a hell of job skill.
00:01:29
Speaker
It's finely tuned. In any case, Mythic Giraffe Podcast. Where did that come from, Liz? Well, a one day we decided to have an nice little discussion about evolution, which was not work appropriate.
00:01:48
Speaker
It was evolution-ary. but it wasn't about evolution entirely. but it wasn't revolution It was about one creature. One creature. Well, kind of evolved into one creature.
00:02:02
Speaker
And it works with the whole anatomy. and at Well, let's just... All right. The point is, i was saying that the giraffe could not possibly have evolved because it has too many complex systems, and they all would have there's no way they could have evolved one at a time.
00:02:19
Speaker
without the giraffe essentially exploding and Ron does not agree with this. do not agree with you. Because Ron is right. I am right. You're well wrong about being right all the time. You were wrong the other day. don't remember that. What were you wrong about? actually don't remember. Go ahead. can't remember that. Yeah, it was that stupid fuzzy dog on Battlestar Galactica. There are some people saying that you denied existed and I was wrong. what not Everyone has their things. They repress.
00:02:44
Speaker
Well, he represses a lot. Probably represses it in the dungeon he's got at home.
Debating Evolutionary Science
00:02:50
Speaker
It's no longer a dungeon. It's now a pantry. so That's quite the transition. That's dungeon to pantry. I had to buy a freezer either way. Figured I'd stock it for a minute. Different kind of meat.
00:03:06
Speaker
At least she's got something to eat while she's locked up down there. I don't lock up anymore. She runs loose. certainly So what Free range wife. Brad, I've got to ask, what what specifically, evolutionary-wise, could not happen with a giraffe?
00:03:21
Speaker
It was something to do with the length of the neck and the amount of blood pressure it actually takes to get blood to rise all the way to the head. all right And the fact that every giraffe has this large sponge-like organ inside of their brain that actually holds blood, in like a holding cell, so to speak.
00:03:41
Speaker
Without this thing... If the giraffe were to bend over and then suddenly stand up, essentially, would stroke out. A head rush. Right. A huge head rush, and of course they'd fall down. That's giraffes do that all the time. Yeah, they just get high. Getting high.
00:03:55
Speaker
That's why they whip their heads are around. So, unless... Both... The heart and the neck and the sponge thing were all made at the exact same time. There is absolutely no way that it could have just evolutionary, the neck got a little longer, and then they said, look, maybe I'll put this little sponge in my head just for the hell of it. Why would it have had it?
00:04:14
Speaker
That's how evolution works. No, why would had it? Because though the ones that don't have it die off and hit free. Because they had to have, the food got higher, they had to evolve to get towards the higher leaves because of the changes in the climate in savannah. Okay, so now we're saying that in the exact same group, there was exactly two mutations that were exactly the same that allowed the mutation to carry We're talking about a large-scale population winnowing down. Yep.
00:04:40
Speaker
Okay, all right. So at one time, there was one giraffe. No. No, why not? Because that's not how worked. Yeah, you said winnowing. That's all the way down there. It doesn't get out of doesn't get out of one. It get out of population. Right.
00:04:54
Speaker
It's survival of the fittest. that that That giraffe that first developed some sort of mutation was able to survive better on the savannah after a climate change.
00:05:04
Speaker
Right. And so that giraffe spread its seed and was able to have more baby giraffes that became giraffe giraffes with more mutations and more mutations. It's the same reason that you don't die every time you get exposed to somebody with a cold. yeah um don't Don't get out of the monkey subject. I'm not a monkey. That's not that he didn't say anything about monkeys. No, but you know how well he's leading that right now. and You evolved the ability to get the music it's a cold. That's how evolution works. It's exactly how it says. You know what? I'm always I'm a biologist. Good lord. Here he goes. I'm a doctor. He's a biologist. You're not a doctor. Yeah. Soon. Soon.
00:05:42
Speaker
But, road doctor. I took genetic analysis in college, and that's been many moons ago. However, comma. Yeah. He did it. Yeah, i did. now that's And as Ron said, now, that giraffe that had that procreation, that had that mutation, and it spread its seed,
00:05:59
Speaker
Not all of its offspring had that mutation. Sometimes it's recessive, sometimes it's dominant, and not all the baby giraffes. don't know what a baby giraffe is. A foal? Like a horse, maybe? I don't know.
00:06:11
Speaker
But anyway, know some of those think about has but them had that gene that gave them that spongy brain or spongy thing in their brain. Some of them didn't. The ones that didn't died off. The ones that did survived.
00:06:23
Speaker
And maybe... Since all those others were eating the low branches, now the ones that were a little bit taller were able to eat. So then that gene got passed on. That's how evolution works. That's yeah how gingers lost their soul. That is very true.
00:06:38
Speaker
That is very true. They don't have souls. I mean, look at the finches on the Galapagos Islands. It's... seriously No, and that's how it works. Darwin it was a jackass. he's They've proven a wrong a hundred times, and yet they've proven him wrong.
00:06:59
Speaker
He said, if any portion of my theory turns out to be false, then the entire thing is essentially false. And that has been shown. But nobody's going to jump on that bandwagon because, number one, first of professors have freaking tenure, and they don't want to Crap where they live.
00:07:16
Speaker
You know? Donald Trump is the only evolutionary. No. Fine. That's fine. But, alright. So now you've got these guys who are so invested in what they think is the 100% truth without going any further. At one point, their earth was flat. That was the truth then, Ron.
00:07:36
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. That was the truth. It's a cat, by the way. And what happens? Oh, it's a cat? It's a giraffe cat. draft pulls off the roll off they're gonna be a jacaf That could go wrong. it could go wrong But the whole point of science is to find things that you think are wrong and try to prove them wrong.
00:07:57
Speaker
Exactly, but they've stopped. They don't even know they fruit no they had have. There are still people trying to prove... If there weren't people trying to disprove Darwin's theories, we wouldn't be in this conversation right now.
00:08:09
Speaker
Well, part of it. so Maybe part it. And I'm sorry. Yes. The easiest example that giraffes made it fine, there used to be a giant animal compared to that called a brachiosaur, which was tens of times bigger than giraffes, and it lived.
00:08:27
Speaker
So if it was that big and its head was 80 in the air... So can go out to the zoo and it's there. It's not there. Now it was millions of years ago. Well, why didn't it evolve? There was a... There was There was There was a... Yeah, there was There's a...
00:08:45
Speaker
The
The Decline of Cursive Writing
00:08:46
Speaker
extinction events? and yeah i was one of the planetary extinction eventss i'm I'm familiar with that, but I'm just saying that other things should have lived from them. And if you're saying the mutations were so wild, why hasn't everything mutated to be exactly the same?
00:09:00
Speaker
No. no every hot Everything is ever ditch and explain to me is a Explain to me how monkeys aren't as smart as I am right now. I know some monkeys that are smart. They just found in...
00:09:11
Speaker
was probably they just found in oh Africa, I believe, monkeys using stone tools. so And planning for things. You know what? Give me a call when you find a monkey typing something out on a word processor, okay?
00:09:24
Speaker
I know people that can't type on word processors now. I'm sorry. Have you seen some of the scripts that come out through Hollywood nowadays? Ah. Yeah, that's true. Spider-Man. but the The difference between monkeys and and man is that man developed writing.
00:09:39
Speaker
So man was able to pass on knowledge. i was going to say for her, but I've seen your best. Yeah. But man's passing on knowledge became an exponential growth of knowledge, whereas monkeys can't pass their knowledge on right now. i know theory, yeah. There are theories that they can, but it's not to the point where eventually it could be the of the Apes.
00:09:58
Speaker
And I think we're going full circle with that whole transmission of knowledge because it started with the pictographs, then it went to writing, then it went to oral history. but Then it went back to written and now we look at Instagram and Vine and things like that. People need to read cursive. Yeah, i mean people transmitting everything. Is it a picture or something like that? They don't even teach cursive in school anymore. so deal with them My fourth grade daughter is taking cursive and she is yeah know very proud of what she writes in cursive and my grandmother was like furious when she found out that they might not teach her cursive. She said, they don't, I will.
00:10:34
Speaker
so yeah Well, it makes sense. I mean, you can't tell me that... How often do you write in cursive? I... What often? Well, of course, it's a modified cursive. Yeah, I print most things.
00:10:45
Speaker
but I have a computer. i mean Well, that's because writing's a lost art. Nobody really writes letters anymore. I should do everything. I should start writing everything to father. in calligraphy. There you go.
00:10:58
Speaker
I'm gonna do pictographs. As an ancient history mage, I'm gonna do pictographs.
Science Misconceptions and Flat Earth
00:11:03
Speaker
Trang, eye of raw, eye of raw. Horus, horus. What's the hippopotamus mean again? Watch out because it must kill you.
00:11:11
Speaker
There you go. Most dangerous animal in Africa, by the way. But yes, absolutely. But yes, giraffes most certainly do so anyone exist because of evolution. i Nobody says they don't exist.
00:11:22
Speaker
And that's where the whole interaction came from, by the way, folks, because a certain couple of people just can't let that crap go and refuse to look at my evidence that I had. But but evolution is all around us. Thanks to evolution, your probably fifth or sixth generation removed grandchildren won't have pinky toes.
00:11:41
Speaker
Pinky toes are going away. Yep. Well, it's just a little odd how everybody counts to 20. Even on a more important scale, your children and your children's children are going to be more immune to disease than you are.
00:11:55
Speaker
They're acquiring immunity. They're not acquiring immunity. Since everybody washes their hands with everything. and No, but they're still acquiring immunity. that That's why the theory of eugenics is terrible.
00:12:08
Speaker
Because...
00:12:11
Speaker
Anytime you take anything out of the genetic population, you're reducing the amount of mutation that we have. Okay, well, I'm bored this now. The whole point is just discuss mythic pond, or mythic gerashing. Yeah, but you're just started something, and I wanted to finish it.
00:12:28
Speaker
Just say I win. So wait, are you saying only to just say you win? Are you saying soon there will be mutant mutants? There will be mutant mutants. Ooh. Yeah. Well, I mean, well there's zombieers there are people not too far from us that have webbed toes. Yeah, there's people that, I mean, look at Sherpas.
00:12:43
Speaker
They can go at very... That's true. Temperatures and and oxygen levels that I can't survive in. No, no, no, wait. That's simply acclimatization, though. That's a mutation. That's also mutation. They have the exponent. They have large... No, they've shown that, like, their lungs are larger. They have a larger functional residual capacity, which, ha-ha, big words.
00:13:02
Speaker
Those were pretty big. You can't go to the Andes without taking Viagra because you'll die, but the people that live there do need a Woody to go to Viagra? What does my wife have to do with anything? Andy. Yeah, that's his wife. what do see You just told me that I had to. You know what? That's not true. Actually, one time I did it because a doctor friend of mine, when I worked in the emergency room, he was like, look, I got these sample packs. This is the story went on. I'm like, hey, I'll give one a shot.
00:13:27
Speaker
Yeah, let me tell you. Two hours later, I still had a towel rack and nothing to do with it You gotta let it soak. I'm serious. I was like, I put the towel on there. I'm doing a little spin. yeah You gotta to do the helicopter. Somebody else is around, but... Hey, I swear I screwed up. Yeah, I was wondering.
00:13:47
Speaker
You should have taken that. You can't just wait for the UPS guy and say, how's it going today? Speaking of packages... ah He just won the reg. You didn't yell at him.
00:14:00
Speaker
yeah I didn't yell at you the first time because I don't want to go in the red. I apologize to listeners for going into the red. I'm sorry. You gave me the look. Well, you need the look. So in any case, you can understand that Mythic Giraffe is a little bit of a ah point of contention with us because of the three of us, I'm definitely the more intelligent design-based person, and they are the Men of science. We are the intelligent ones. Men of science. Yeah, whatever. You're the you're the smart one.
00:14:27
Speaker
Everybody else is wrong. Just like the guys who thought the Earth was flat. Hey, everybody has an opinion. The whole was fat thing. Flat thing. The whole Earth is fat. Yeah, it is now. Huge. The whole Earth is flat thing was kind of a myth.
00:14:41
Speaker
But there was... don't think it was myth. I think many people thought Well, I think less people thought that than people really think. Because it was... civilizations that already knew that the Earth was round.
00:14:54
Speaker
It was a select group that didn't know We are looking at it as a Western viewpoint. If you look at it as a worldwide viewpoint, less people ever believe that it was flat. Well, at the time, there was not an easy way to transmit information. You had to wait for corridors and things like that, pigeons. It was really proven to the knowledge of science until, what was it, the Greeks, I think, performed that test, didn't he He went to different towers and different between Egypt and Greece, and he was setting up sticks and all kinds of nonsense. The Chinese astronomers had yeah ideas. Right.
00:15:29
Speaker
Well, yes, but they also think eating tiger nuts will make you very manly. It does. Oh, my gosh. The manly part is getting the nuts off a tiger. yeah Eat one of those, lay down within ten minutes. Use your glorias. All right, so in any case, that's...
00:15:45
Speaker
Why? It's called Mythic Giraffe, and I hope to never touch on that subject again because Wiz is always right and will forever be right, even though he was wrong the other day and can't admit to that. Oh, I am pretty sure it will come back up.
00:15:59
Speaker
So the next subject is... I'm with you. I've been thinking about this for two weeks now. Dos semanas for our listeners in Mexico. There you go.
Impact of Comic Book Characters
00:16:11
Speaker
or other Spanish-speaking countries, which would be a large population. A lot? It's like 50% of the world? I don't think it's 50%. No, I don't think it's 50%. It's large population. It's a large population. Grande. So have to back this up with little background.
00:16:24
Speaker
I am a nerd. I am not a cutesy nerd. I'm not the nerd that everybody thinks cool anymore. So I have to say I'm a fiction nerd. I read a lot of fiction.
00:16:36
Speaker
I've been reading fantasy and sci-fi novels since I was... Old enough to read. Probably old enough to read. So that was like 20? Yeah. yes So my first books were fantasy novels when I was like in fourth grade. I never read Dr. Seuss. I read Pierce Anthony.
00:16:52
Speaker
Wow, awesome author. Right, awesome author. So I have to preface this in saying I... read a lot of fantasy novels and sci-fi, and I just don't understand comic books. Yeah, I want i want to reiterate, these aren't fantasy novels like fancy movies or you may watch at home. that's somebody And that that'll be a topic for another day, the whole fancy movies.
00:17:12
Speaker
I just don't get comic books. You guys are comic book readers. One of you is a much bigger comic book reader and reads probably the worst of the comic book superheroes of all time. God, here we go. here's Here's the thing. Yes, I read comic books.
00:17:25
Speaker
Number one, I just got back into them. Thanks to Chris. right and i Number one, I enjoy the art. Number two, I enjoy a lot of the history behind it, a lot of the mythos, so to speak.
00:17:37
Speaker
Obviously, none of you know, but my favorite character is Deadpool. Do I know absolutely everything about Deadpool? No. do i know i mean Do I know the artist's names? Do I know the author's names? Absolutely not, but I still enjoy the story. There's nothing wrong with that.
00:17:51
Speaker
Chris, on the other hand, could probably you know name who cuts the hair of the person who did the third Batman you know comic in 1963. Where this little lady named Linda?
00:18:04
Speaker
yeah I'm just saying. I'm i'm trying to to throw comparison. i understand. The difference is how can you enjoy comics and comic book movies because comic book movies are becoming the only movies that people watch it anymore. Oh, the bubble's about to break on that. It's gotta to be. I think Batman v Superman's gonna be in the bubble. Well, every DC movie. You've got Deadpool coming out.
00:18:26
Speaker
Deadpool's gonna be pretty awesome. but You've got Wonder Woman men and so many others coming out. Wonder Woman again. We'll see. DC movie. DC movie's all the time. there's no consequences in the comic book world.
00:18:40
Speaker
Batman has been going on for 60 plus years? No, 75. superman's Last year was Batman's 75th anniversary. His parents died. I'd say that would be a consequence. That happened before the comic book game started.
00:18:51
Speaker
Well, how could it have been? the comic had started, his parents could have died. He was already established, and then they backfilled the story. Did they? Yep. Which, they do that with a lot of characters. Superman's been since the 30s.
00:19:03
Speaker
Spider-Man's is the 60s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. i mean Most of the DC characters have been around 70 plus years. Most the Marvel characters have been around 50 plus years. And I think that's exactly why Marvel just had Secret Wars and basically killed everybody else then they come back. they're restarting their stories. But they just come back. Because they're characters that people really like. But I read books.
00:19:22
Speaker
And I love some of the characters in these books and they get killed off in books and then they're gone. My favorite series of books of all time is, well, I just kind of a bad example because they bring some people back, but I love Dune.
00:19:33
Speaker
If you read Dune, by the end of the first book, all your, but he was Game of Thrones before Game of Thrones, so it's a thing. Yeah, it's he started the whole, oh, you like him? and He's dead now. He's dead. So, and there's real consequences, and there's, how can you watch the Avengers movie and not go, oh yeah, all the Avengers are going to be okay.
00:19:51
Speaker
How can you watch the Captain America movies and be like, oh yeah, they need to be Captain America 4, so Captain America's going to fine. I understand that. Some of it is, yes, you know and also, us reading the comics, you kind of know what's going to happen anyway. It's like knowing the screenplay a little bit first.
00:20:08
Speaker
But me personally, comics, like Brad said, it's, know, it's, I like the art, the writing style. You know, if I've taken breaks from certain runs of comics because I didn't like the way a certain writer carried the story.
00:20:23
Speaker
So, and a lot of it, yes, is there's no consequence per se, but there's a lot of reboots and restarts and that kind of gets disjointed at times.
00:20:34
Speaker
If you look at, I know you make fun of DC. current yeah DC just went through this whole convergence thing to try to explain all the different you know versions over the years and this and that. They did the same thing back in the 80s with the infinite crisis on infinite worlds and tried to explain how oh there's Earth Prime and Earth 1 and Earth 2 and all that.
00:20:55
Speaker
It gets a little wonky. But again, it's a fictional universe. It's you know fun. And there are consequences. They're not.
00:21:06
Speaker
There are. So one of the Robins dies. Yes. They get a new Robin. but But that... How many of the Robins have stayed dead?
00:21:17
Speaker
None. Yeah. Thank you very much. Well, it depends on what part of the line you were in. Well, it's only because the writers need to keep making a paycheck, too. I mean, they're not going to kill a character that's good. Okay, you talk about that. When Jason Todd died back in the, what was it, the And they had the... I told you he knew names.
00:21:37
Speaker
I've heard of names. He was the second Robin. They had a thing that in the back of the comic book called this 800 number if you want Jason Todd to die. Call this number if you want to live. And it was like a 52% wanted him to die, 48% wanted him to live kind of thing.
00:21:54
Speaker
And they saw how many of the readers liked him. And after they killed him off, I mean, there was all this outpour. So, yeah, it was kind of easy. He wasn't know like totally dismembered or anything like that. So it kind of worked in the way, you know.
00:22:07
Speaker
DC has things available. Yeah, and speaking of which, I mean, how many times has Deadpool been absolutely cut up and destroyed? Deadpool's little different. Deadpool's a little different. It's because Deadpool rocks. well But there's no consequences of Deadpool.
00:22:19
Speaker
i get There are. He's all psyched out because he killed his parents, but he doesn't even know it, but it still messes him up in the brain. That's a consequence. It's the not a consequence. They need to kill off a major character.
00:22:30
Speaker
Iron Man needs to in his suit. Drunkenly run into a building. Wolverine died. And will come back. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. They have old man Logan coming back. um I'm not sure. I haven't even really looked at that. Chewbacca is dead in Star Wars books.
00:22:45
Speaker
Dead. you But we were still still alive. Yeah, those aren't part of the the history. Because in that case, Polka Fett's still alive too.
00:22:57
Speaker
yeah no Yeah. In the books, Boba Fett is still alive. There was one around it. There were a couple of books. There was before he there were prequel books, but I don't think... No. He actually got out of the... What was it? The Sarlacc. He got out of the Sarlacc. Now, he was almost up and half-digested, but he made it out according to the books.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah, but I could buy that more. That's fine. It makes sense. Sort of. Well, mean, he had armor. I never really understand that. Yeah, Darth Vader died. And that confuses me a little bit, too, because when you see the new the trailer, when he says, my father has the Force. Right. or they joy see that works because in then he part Where's the helmet? i I burned it on him.
00:23:39
Speaker
No, they talked about it. And, like, Kylo Ren's, like, a Sith relic hunter or something like that. He's got relics from like all these different Sith over the years. They went and pulled it out of the pile. That's actually in one the books. Go get his cod piece.
00:23:51
Speaker
They probably wouldn't have been a good choice. but There have been times in the comics, and yes, they do come back a lot of times. Death of Superman. That was the biggest piece of mine. But they left Clark dead for a while.
00:24:06
Speaker
Batman in the current run. No, they didn't leave Clark dead for even... six up six It was maybe six because then he came back as Starboy or whatever when there were the four or five Supermans. Yeah, Metal and Cyborg. He was just a kid, but he was part he was one of those Supermans.
00:24:25
Speaker
So yeah he didn't really die. I've always thought Superman was one of the most just outrageous heroes in first place. Well,
Marvel vs DC Heroes
00:24:34
Speaker
realistically... Superman is the Marvel version of it. he is He is what every character in Marvel is.
00:24:40
Speaker
Whereas in DC, at least they're a little grittier. I'll give DC that. In Marvel, Stan Lee said out almost from the beginning that his superheroes are much grander. You have a lot of supermen in Marvel. You do. And and and there's way there's way too many of them.
00:24:57
Speaker
There are just way too freaky many of them. Thor is a god. He's not really a god. He was an alien. Well, he was a god. for a long time. don't know if it... I don't because I didn't follow the comic chapter like the I think it's just the way he's portrayed... But you can the same thing with Wonder Woman right now is actually the god of war.
00:25:17
Speaker
Wonder Woman, as we speak, defeated Ares, and she took over as the god of war. Yes. Sure. So... Well, I mean, she's always had ties to the Olympic pantheon. Well, you know, and she hadn't done bad for herself. so He was made out of clay. Yes.
00:25:32
Speaker
Yes. But... But the discovery of flight and all this... What you mean was made out of clay? Wonder Woman was made out clay. She is but she was made of clay. I can't remember his name.
00:25:46
Speaker
It was yeah <unk> clay that was blessed by heroes. may i call pencil selfit i don't I don't follow Wonder Woman a lot. The only comics I should keep up with are the ones that end.
00:25:58
Speaker
like I read... This is going to sound like blasphemy. I read Watchmen after watched the movie movie, and I was like, oh, this is awful. yeah I agree with you I do not like Watchmen one bit. not Not good. yeah okay One comic that used to really have consequence and people died off, Hellboy.
00:26:16
Speaker
They killed Hellboy off. Well, yeah Hellboy's now in hell, and now it's him in hell. it's It's one of those things. They know that people like these characters, and they want to keep these characters around.
00:26:29
Speaker
Keep your mind, it's a business. They're in it to make money. They're in it to make a living. Books are a business. You're not going to see Ned Stark come back. pretty I mean, who knows?
00:26:41
Speaker
You're not going to see Ned Stark come back. One day, somebody needs to make a high fantasy movie and let him live. Let Sean Bean live through the whole movie.
00:26:54
Speaker
I'm trying to think of a movie that he... He dies. He dies a lot. Lord of the Rings, dead. Game of Thrones, dead. Black Death, he died in that movie.
00:27:06
Speaker
The Plague of Kings. Maybe he has problems remembering lines that he can only make it so far. but Don't worry about it we'll just kill you now. But I think a lot of comic writers are... They try to introduce these new characters. I mean i talk to the guys at the local comic shop all the time.
00:27:20
Speaker
And you know Marvel, DC, Image, they'll all try to push these, and you put these new characters out. And the fans go back to the core titles for the most part. Because that's what they grew up with. Right. makes sense. Well, even, i mean, you would think, like, the I mean, the DC's killing it on TV right now. Arrow, Flash.
00:27:41
Speaker
Constantine for a little while. know really good show okay let fun these Marvel's got it with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Agent Carter. It was pretty good. Agents S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't bad now. It's gotten a little bit better.
00:27:52
Speaker
I did not like Agent Carter. Me, per se, I just don't like the whole World War II setting. how about Daredevil? Daredevil was really good. Absolutely amazing show. But, again... daredel was really good absolutely amazing really amazing show again These are known characters that they know, and they try to build off them and introduce these other sub-characters, and for comic nerds like us, like, you know my wife and i watch Arrow, like, oh, that's a reference to so-and-so, so and she's like, no idea what you're talking about.
00:28:20
Speaker
But I go to the comic shop, and they're like, oh, yeah, I guess, you know, subscriptions to Arrow and Flash have picked up. Nope. It's the demographic now. they It's instant gratification. They want on TV, you know.
00:28:34
Speaker
that Well, also, the paper... is dying, it's hard unfortunately. it's It was always hard for comics to get new people into it because, oh, you're read this story? You're going be reading it for the next 12 months because we're not going to finish this story arc.
00:28:48
Speaker
Look at the Phoenix series from X-Men. long did that take to get payoff? yeah They ended up in space. there were There's pirates. But again, it's a business.
00:28:59
Speaker
They're trying to make money. And and i I can't fault them for that. That is their job. But they could definitely... Do more like one shots. Yeah, they could definitely kill off some major characters.
00:29:10
Speaker
It's time for Batman to go. I think they do a lot of one shots. They do these little side stories. I'm calling for Batman to die. Pass it on. This may be spoilers. If you guys haven't read to this point, then I don't know where what rock you've been living under.
00:29:23
Speaker
But in the current run of Batman, Batman was killed off. He and Joker had this epic fight. Batman was considered dead. Jim Gordon is now acting as Batman in this, like, mech suit to try and keep Gotham steady. Why does he need a mech suit?
00:29:38
Speaker
Because it's Gordon. Gordon's kind of old. I don't know. And they also are other agents. Well, maybe. Yeah. He's, mean. Batman doesn't have special powers. I mean, Gordon, you know he was a cop. He had previous marine training. But he didn't have the hand-to-hand combat and everything that Batman had, regardless.
00:29:54
Speaker
Nor the billions of dollars. Billions of dollars. Yeah. That's a big help. That is the worst character. But anyway. That's like it. Yeah. Anyway, so, but he just ran into, somebody found Bruce Wayne, and the through the whatever fight it was, somehow his he survived, but he's total amnesic, can't remember any of that, and he can just remember he's Bruce Wayne, has no recollection of how his parents died, anything like that.
Relating to Batman
00:30:21
Speaker
I'm pretty sure he's gonna take the cowl back up. He's gonna be Batman. And I have total faith in Scott Snyder. He is definitely taking a good take on Batman since he started it in the New 52.
00:30:33
Speaker
But I personally, I like to see Bruce as Batman. That's just, you know. Now when Dick took over for a while during the battle for the cowl and all that, that was pretty good. sort I said Dick took over. Yes, crazy. Yes, yes.
00:30:49
Speaker
Again, and I'm sure that's of those story arcs that's going to play back out because DC, much like Marvel, 20 years, 30 years best, let's bring this story arc back for the new generation of comic readers.
00:31:02
Speaker
so Which is fine. That's okay. Let's get back to the Batman thing. Why does anyone, you, especially as you're drinking out of your Batman mug, like Batman?
00:31:15
Speaker
Are you a billionaire? I am not. Were your parents killed in front Thank God no. Do you have any relatable qualities to Batman? Is there anything you're like, oh, I was sitting on top of a building yesterday and that's all evil.
00:31:28
Speaker
What, you remember when he was sick last year? a dog like that for a while. He ate a dog like that. He didn't grow crap whatever. I'd say that's at least one thing. Show me how to fill out my time she ate.
00:31:41
Speaker
He's a self-made man, though. No, no. His parents. His parents. I'm saying when that tragic incident happened, he took it upon himself to develop himself. No, he took it on.
00:31:53
Speaker
Well, Alfred developed him. I can only go by the movie because don't know the actual part of it. in the movies. He just got drunk and run around the world until Ra's al Ghul took him in. Oh my gosh, that's so wrong. Wrong, wrong. It was in the movies.
00:32:08
Speaker
Oh gosh, yes. Oh yeah, the movies were... Yeah, the movies also had Bane. That's horrible. was born in the Dark Mask. good Don't get me sorry about Bane. That's the worst Bane ever. Pretty sure that was an N95 mask, by the way. It just glued some crap to it.
00:32:24
Speaker
Probably. But, yeah yeah, and, well, totally off topic. They had to redo, like, 90% of his lines because nobody on set could understand what he was saying. All they heard of was, and that's what you heard in theater, too. My doesn't like that thing because she likes Tom Hardy, and she wants to see more Tom Hardy. Then watch Mad Max. She loved Mad Max.
00:32:44
Speaker
But Batman, in the comics, he went to all these different martial artists. He, you know... to you know learn driving techniques, fighting techniques, meditation techniques. He learned all this stuff through his you know trust fund millions of dollars. Is that in 1952?
00:33:00
Speaker
It was in the old ones also. was in the golden age. yeah Because in the golden age, he was a detective. In the golden age, yes. But again, he was pretty much a self-made detective. Yeah, but he didn't have any of the fighting skills.
00:33:11
Speaker
He had some, but yet not to the point now. yeah Not where he's a... Karate magic. Well, I mean, he takes punches from people whose superpowers include strength. Yeah. And they're massive. And he gets knocked 50 feet, stands back up, keeps fighting. It's called rolling with the punches. He also got his back broken by Bane. Yes, it's true. And somehow miraculously recovered from that with Wayne Tech. Wayne Tech is awesome stuff. We need more Wayne Tech. We do need more Wayne Tech. There are people, though. I mean, you know... Just because you break your back doesn't mean you're going to paralyzed for life. Doesn't you're going to running around fighting crime already. I'm also pretty sure that you'd be probably beyond disability. It's a comic book. There's going to be some fantasy to it. Handicap thing hanging in the Batmobile.
00:33:54
Speaker
You're in my space. It's all around. It's a little walker. Bat around. Bat rascal. Somebody give me the Batmark card. Yes. I'll admit it. There are some things that are... Annoying.
00:34:08
Speaker
Eh. Unrelatable. Eh. But everybody has their things are like they like, though. I don't like anything. You like something. You're right. You're right. I'm right. You're right.
00:34:19
Speaker
It's now a thing. And you talk about it. Marvel has a lot of the superheroes. DC has a lot of supermen, per se. you know Batman. Green Arrow. Green Arrow. Green Arrow is Batman with arrows.
00:34:31
Speaker
And the stupid hat. He doesn't always the hat. No, that was way back in the day. The Batman, he's got the Heather. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The little Robin Hood hat. Yes, and the goatee. He needs to come back. Yeah, with the little squares on his chest. Well, you know, to be fair, Marvel's got Hawkeye.
00:34:46
Speaker
They do have Marvel has, oh, God, now can't remember her name. Punisher. No, no. Mockingbird or whatever? Redhead. Black Widow. Yes, Black Widow. Punisher.
00:34:57
Speaker
Punisher. who is unfortunately right now dead. who was my favorite He's coming back. I'd say. Yeah, exactly. I can't, I don't even, he's not many does. and that there's there there's got there there are there' ah no There's a lot of similarities.
00:35:13
Speaker
but I still want them to do a crossover Deathstroke Deadpool. Well, Deadpool would win. But they're the same guy. They're the same guy. It's not the same guy. It's two different. DC and Marvel. The two guys in red jerking each other off. Because the guy who wrote Deathstroke... You should have beaten each other off. Jerking each other off. The guy that wrote Deathstroke got fired from DC and said, F you, made the same exact character for Marvel. Really? Yeah, that's why Deadpool and Deathstroke are the same character. Because the same guy created them.
00:35:40
Speaker
Yes. That's why Deathstroke slayed Wilson. Deadpool, Wade Wilson. They're brothers. Yeah, I'm not really reading it enough to know that. Yes. Well, that's interesting. yeah Yeah, about the only Marvel character, i mean, I'm sure there's a lot of them.
00:35:54
Speaker
The main Marvel character I can think of that he popped up before the DC version popped up was the lizard. Oh, Mr. Fantastic. Oh, Plastic Man. think Plastic Man's after him. Ooh, no, Plastic Man's are early. Really? Yeah, he was in the original like Justice Society of America because he was a criminal and they...
00:36:11
Speaker
I think he's in the JSA with the idiotic glasses my the my second least favorite character of all time is Spider-Man yeah there's not really a DC person they have effed up Spider-Man so badly with all the movies that all sucked Spider-Man 2 is pretty good Except for the cranes.
00:36:33
Speaker
Let's all swing our cranes together so he can swing down Manhattan. Yeah. I don't remember that part. I must have blocked it out. Yeah. Is that the one with Duck Octopus? Yes. and this It was well done. Duck Octopus was cool. Yeah.
00:36:45
Speaker
But then the other ones, I mean, like the third one. They tried to shoehorn too many enemies in, and that's the problem. Was it the one with Sandman? Yes. Which was a totally different take on Sandman and now And then the new ones, all, Tonya, we started with that. I've never even bothered to watch them. hey Well, it's like the ultimate Spider-Man, I guess.
00:37:02
Speaker
So, yeah. I haven't read Marvel since, like, the 90s. I take that back. I have read some Deadpool. I got Night of the Living Deadpool, that series. That was hilarious. So, but, yeah.
00:37:14
Speaker
I am a DC fanboy. I've tried to think of the last comic book I ever bought. and Probably My Little Pony. My kids read My Little Pony. My Little Pony is huge. and It is a brony.
00:37:25
Speaker
I'm not a brony. I'm sorry, internet. i'm not You're a brony. My wife makes fun of me all the time. X-Force. The kids read it, so I know the names. X-Force was good. X-Force was probably the last one I bought. Cable and Cannonball. Bishop was a one of them.
00:37:40
Speaker
yeah and oh well that Bishop, yet another character who's... What's his name's brother? we got this brother super Oh, Havoc. Yeah, Havoc. What was her name? so Polaris. She had the green hair magnets.
00:37:55
Speaker
She was female magneto. People constantly wrote her in the winter. I don't know if she was in the original one. There's been so many crossovers with X-Men and X-Force and Uncanny X-Men.
00:38:07
Speaker
i even have I don't even know where my comic books are. I know where mine are. They're right in the other room. I got all mine in the box. yeah Just arranged them again the other day. But, yeah, it's to each his own. And I read you know a lot of books, not nearly as many as
Books vs Movie Adaptations
00:38:24
Speaker
you do. don't know.
00:38:27
Speaker
Yeah, because I'm bummed. I read a lot of the Dungeons & Dragons books, and that, Wizards is like falling off the earth when it comes to novels. They're just pushing up the... You need to read Terry Pratchett, the entire series. I've read some Pratchett, think. love him. I think I've got about $120 worth books right now. That's not even happening. And I'm going to keep going until Comic book wise, I want it in my hand, paper, paper,
00:38:53
Speaker
But for books, I've kind of gone the way of the Kindle. oh I have my Kindle and I love my Kindle. yeah But there are certain books that you have to read. Maybe, yes. But the problem is, I don't like throwing books away.
00:39:04
Speaker
I don't throw books away. You've been to my house. Yeah. yeah But again, the problem comes in that I would read so many books throughout a year that I could fill... like like half of this living room with books, nowhere where to put them. I don't like throwing away, but on the other hand, I've got all these books sitting there.
00:39:22
Speaker
Well, I don't even have library. a house. go through the ones that I will... I mean, I've got a couple bookshelves in there. that Those are the books that I will keep, I will reread, and then the ones that I read, i like, but I probably won't reread.
00:39:35
Speaker
I've, you know like brought yard sales, things like that. and Yeah, I know. so Or i've certainly but donated I've donated some to like, you the library or yeah elementary school. But you don't throw out any copies of the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings series. I don't throw those out. I will keep those forever.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah, my my daughter is reading the Hobbit now. She likes it. Yeah. And who wouldn't like it? I think the first time I read it, I was maybe 12. Exactly. Any movie. Yeah. I watched five minutes of one of them, and I got so angry.
00:40:02
Speaker
Peter Jackson is a war criminal.
00:40:06
Speaker
Well, and this is the problem. And again, totally off topic. Yeah, that everything's going to off topic, folks. If you read the book or you read this, you know, any any other media and then you watch the movie, it's totally, like Jurassic Park.
00:40:20
Speaker
I mean, I read that book cover to cover when it first came out. it Totally absorb it. And then the movie came out. And I'm like, no, he doesn't do that. But he no, didn't look like that. I used to be like you. I make the same argument that books are always better.
00:40:36
Speaker
And then Jurassic Park is a perfect example. That movie changed my life. Oh, yes. No movie has ever since Jurassic Park been as good to me as Jurassic Park was. That blew my mind as a, think was seventh grade when I came out. Yeah, about to say we were young.
00:40:53
Speaker
You were old. You probably are. Brad was old. What year was this? ninety like three ninety buddy I was in the military for eight years living in Spain. yeah but i mean You hear that soundtrack even. and you just i do it win the I haven't seen it yet because I don't ever go into movies, but when the new one, thought was it The Lost World or whatever? yeah When that came out, um but when I saw that trailer and I heard that music, I was like, up yep, it took me back. but The same as the Star Wars trailer. All I had to hear was the music.
00:41:23
Speaker
And I got to get little... All you have to do is hear that opening app part. And again, i am terrified about that because of what happened with episodes one, two, and three. However... Well, Disney can't afford to screw this up.
00:41:36
Speaker
Disney can't afford to support lot of screws. You know what, though? Disney could afford to have Jar Jar Binks come out and poop on a snare drum for an hour. and that And they call that episode two.
00:41:47
Speaker
I'm with you. I see what you're saying. But it's... It is too big of a thing screw would give them a huge black eye. Yeah. yeah Disney would lose a lot. Exactly. And now Disney's planning they're playing an entire theme park for Star Wars.
00:42:04
Speaker
You think I won't be there? If you think I won't, you're wrong. I will probably attempt to live there. i I'm going to get the money. My brother and i already know we're going to go to the midnight release of Episode VII. I was talking my buddy about what we're going to do, and I don't i don't know.
00:42:19
Speaker
My wife says don't take my son then though because that's when all the shootings occur. And I'm like, ah, don't take so. i swear I think most killers don't want to get up that late. It's all spring. Yeah. See, I was in a nice area. You guys love it.
00:42:31
Speaker
Oh yeah, nice area. But, yeah. there's There's just a lot to be said about the different medium. I do love my books. And look, I get frustrated with comic books, trust me. i I will get what?
00:42:44
Speaker
Where are you? Where are you? Peace to you too, my brother. I had a pull list of like 10 issues a month and I've weeded it back because know they change artists or they change, you know, there are sometimes like the pencil, the penciler. If the art's weird, it just makes it really. Sounds like another character, doesn't it? I'm a penciler.
00:43:10
Speaker
Hellboy, the way it's drawn. It really throws me off, but I still like the story, so I can deal with that. But some, oh, and Tony gave me started the issue, said, oh yeah, pages one, three, and eight are drawn by so-and-so. Pages two, four, six, and 28 are drawn by so-and-so.
00:43:25
Speaker
No. that's weird but try That's why I like like the Batman. it's Snyder writes it, Capullo pencils it, every now and again I'll have somebody come in. It's never Batman. It's Batman.
00:43:36
Speaker
It is the Batman. I'm liking right now, this is not totally out on top, but the and the bombshell covers? yeah Those are really cool. ah like Even though the art inside isn't repeated, the covers are amazing. Well, comic book covers are just like 90's video game covers.
00:43:54
Speaker
The cover has nothing to do with what's inside. Absolutely not. But on the flip side, I told my wife, I'd take all these Wonder Woman ones with the bombshell covers and I'd frame them for her and that way she could hang them in her office at work. so That's cool. It'll look good.
00:44:08
Speaker
But that being said... will continue to read comics and I hope you get back into comics sometime. these I don't think it's going to happen. I'll read graphic novels. yeah Well, and that's a nice thing. I mean, pretty much every title now has a graphic novel compendium now. So...
00:44:22
Speaker
I just can't afford to do the comics. Well, see, what you do is you have a friend like me and then you read my comics. No, i would i would be I would be terrified. What, then you mess them up? Yeah. I'm not that psycho guy. Comics nowadays aren't going be worth anything. Oh, comics are never going to be worth anything. Actually, I've got a couple that are worth like 20 bucks, but now i don't I don't, and that's not why I get so The big print of the comics worth $1,000 what it is. Well, it's only things are from like the 50s and 60s. Comics, anything from 90 till now is nothing nothing. I mean, I've got Death of Superman that came with the armband and all that stuff. It's worth like $5, if that.
00:44:58
Speaker
I've got a 1946, I think. It's Superman vs. Batman 1946. That's probably worth a little bit. Yeah. It's pretty cool.
00:45:09
Speaker
But folks listening at home, you know if you Don't rob my house. Yeah, don't rob mine either. God, nobody wants to be robbed. yeah If you like comics, yeah we'll let you guys know at the end how to reach us.
00:45:21
Speaker
But yeah if you have, you know chime in if you want. God, the Jetson is such a horrible cartoon. No, Jetson was amazing. Oh, come on. yeaht Topic for another day. Topic for another day.
00:45:32
Speaker
the only one Captain or Caveman was atrocious. you're Captain Caveman? Flintstones was awesome. Flintstones is all about the oppression of the proletariat by the freaking Virgin Sea. That's crazy. The Flintstones is the Honeymooners.
00:45:49
Speaker
Yeah. What's the slavery? The dinosaurs? Yes. What else have they got to do? all the dinosaurs yes what else did they got to do See dinosaurs and enjoy their lives? Yes. If the dinosaurs can... yeah And you notice the dinosaurs were the only ones in that cartoon that broke the fourth wall?
00:46:06
Speaker
They would always talk to the audience. It's a living. Yeah. i bet that I bet that bird really loved having his beak shoved into a record every time. Yeah. Oh, but fat ass is here. Let's play a record for him. Or the The...
00:46:22
Speaker
pig thing living underneath the sink eating all their garbage. Yeah, that's that's a good idea. Well, I'm sure that would be terrible for the pig to have to sit there and do nothing and but eat. And get fat. Topic for another. Brachiosaur could enjoy its day because it has neck pain. because you lifted like Yeah, you use it as a crane.
00:46:39
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The giraffe of his day. It didn't exist. It was a myth.
Early Video Game Experiences
00:46:45
Speaker
Alright, so my topic. As you guys can probably tell, we're, you know, Geeks, if you were. Nerds. Nerds. Geeks, different. Nerds.
00:46:54
Speaker
Anyway. Nerds. What is your earliest video game memory and what game or games, because it may be more than one, did you play that you know it just sunk its teeth in you said, yep, this is what I want to do with my free time.
00:47:09
Speaker
Me, my first, some my earliest memories are playing the Atari. I can remember one of my favorite games. I liked Pitfall, but I had Journey. And it was...
00:47:19
Speaker
side troller, you were in a little spaceship and you had to pick people up and shoot the aliens out and it you know i remember that game the band had the the soundtrack but it was on the Atari so it was all like the little 8-bit. It was just awesome. at But the game that sunk its teeth into me and I knew that I was going to be a gamer and Ron you will totally earn wizmer you will totally you know slam me for Final Fantasy four For the general... It was just that.
00:47:53
Speaker
It was the first time I played a game. I was like, look at this story. There are yeah these epic changes. It's just amazing. I've probably played through Final Fantasy IV to completion at least 20 times.
00:48:08
Speaker
And i I personally prefer the SNES port of it. It was the way it was done. I've played the new ones on the DS. and all I don't like the way they redid it.
00:48:18
Speaker
The original story was just epic. Back in his day. Yes. And like I still like Final Fantasy. I really haven't liked one since 6, but I always have hope.
00:48:31
Speaker
So, but yeah. I mean, there's a lot of games I've played I really like, but I know you guys are more first-person shooter, and Wesmer, you're more like the PC, you know, the stratagem. Yeah, I am stratagem. I am more the, I like RPGs.
00:48:47
Speaker
And the Batman games. Well, like RPGs, man, I think we talked about it earlier, they just suck you in. oh And you're there for months. and yeah ah Like when I when i played Skyrim, I did nothing but Skyrim yeah for, it felt like months.
00:49:01
Speaker
oh yeah And then I'd pick up you know Call of Duty before it completely sucked, which was about five games back. true And yeah, it would it would constantly be a social thing because I know many other firefighters all around the country and we'd all get together and we'd all play this game. Oh yeah, we're all firemen by the way. We forgot to mention that.
00:49:20
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But yeah, in any case, there's lots of game out there. But fireman is a guy that shovels coal into a locomotive. That's a very valid point. Or the boiler on a steam show. Yes. Fireman is still in the Navy, right? It is.
00:49:35
Speaker
And that's literally what they do. Are you a fire scene then? Oh. Oh. yeah that's one did and that's literally what they well are you a fire seam let they do ah No, they're firemen. give bernie steve the semen A seaman was only a team that actually did like Bosons May, things like that.
00:49:52
Speaker
If you were in aviation, you'd start out as an airman or airman recruit. I can understand the the social aspects. Me, I am... i don't play a lot online. I i don't... just That's just me. so Every now and again, I will. I mean, I'll play Call of Duty. i've got Like you said, I've got a group of people I play Call of Duty with occasionally.
00:50:11
Speaker
But, you know, I prefer... the single player, the or the couch co-op, which is dead now. Yeah, that's right. But, yeah, that RPG where you can lose yourself for hours and hours and hours. That's fine. It got to the point, you when I was playing Dragon Age Inquisition, I played it so much that before I even got to a material, I could tell just by looking at it, oh, look, that's iron. Oh, look, that's, you know, pussy willow or whatever kind of herb it was.
00:50:39
Speaker
Oh. So. Yeah, I don't know. There's... there's sps A lot of games. The original game I was playing, and obviously I'm a little older than you guys. Pong. Yeah, you know what? but I had the original. Flip the stone! Flip the stone.
00:50:52
Speaker
That was a good game. Don't knock that one, okay? Oh, look. it That's how I get The day that I got that one-ounce stone, I rocked everybody. But I definitely, yes, I played Pong. and they had a little tank game that came out and all this the controllers were stuck.
00:51:07
Speaker
You're talking about tank battle where you had the green and the red and... junior de darary and everything Yeah, absolutely. absolutely Yeah, absolutely. I played that game, but i mean none of it really thrilled me, so to speak. you know when Now when Super Mario and all that kind of crap came out, yeah that's when it really started picking up and that was the 80s. 85? Yeah, right around mid-80s. Yeah, so I mean I would play that stuff and it was okay. and i granted I'd do it for a few hours but that's because bored, but it wasn't until probably Halo that really started getting into just was gaming for gaming's sake.
Nostalgia for LAN Parties
00:51:45
Speaker
Just keep going. Never played at Halo. As you guys will come to understand, i i'm a Sony guy. I went Nintendo, Super Nintendo,
00:51:58
Speaker
PlayStation 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah, we haven't been able to fix it yet. No, we had a Wii, but... We've tried the intervention. We don't like the Wii. I don't know who likes the Wii.
00:52:09
Speaker
I bought the kids one, and it was just... it was a piece of time My kids use it for like the dancing games. like Yeah, like these days, Destiny, and then Wiz just recently introduced me to World of Tanks, which I can't get enough of.
00:52:22
Speaker
as frustrating as the game can be sometimes. you know Hey, just got in this game. Hey, I'm dead. Now, okay, well, let me go back to the grouch. Right. So, nice. Yeah, well, so for me,
00:52:35
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My father was a computer nerd before computer nerds were a thing. cool So we had an Atom computer, which probably didn't last. they probably The company probably went out of business early 80s.
00:52:48
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It had cassettes, actual cassettes that you put into play. And we played the game. It was was like Dragon Quest. but that wasn't the name of it, and they had a Buck Rogers game.
00:52:59
Speaker
So I have early memories. Duck Dodgers? No, was a Buck Rogers. It was an actual Buck Rogers. I mean, this was fairly early Wow. And I have vivid memories of... You say it was only two seasons long. it had to have been early I think it was 79 and 80 for Buck Rogers. Yeah, but the game that I played was probably 82, somewhere around 83. I was a little i was young for it. But we I have vivid memories of changing the cassette album because you had to change a cassette if you got to a certain point in the game. Right. Put new cassette in. Dragon Quest. Sounds like the name, but I don't think that was right.
00:53:35
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But it was an RPG. Yeah. Because that's all you could play that of thing. Right, You could action games. We had an Atari. We had a Coleco. Yeah. Never had a ColecoVision. We, of course, had Nintendo. Everybody had a Nintendo. Game Boy.
00:53:49
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i mean. We had a Tandy 1000 computer. can remember playing some games on that. And Kids nowadays will never know the frustration. You turn your computer on and it starts in MS-DOS and you have to run this and set up this. Or you're in Windows and you have to go out the DOS. Yeah, and you got your five and three quarter floppy that, again, you had to change part way through. still remember that little Flash and cursor. Nothing's gonna happen. the interview but We had a Sega. I was a Sega kid. I was special, I felt, because I had a Sega. and I know a lot kids had Segas back then. yeah I loved the sega i did have Sega. Sega had some good chances i did chance the
00:54:27
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The game that I think made me a game readiness is a terrible answer. This is going to make me sound terrible. Leave your shoot Larry. No, I love Leave your shoot Larry. I had this, actually. I also had a firefighting game, because my father was a firefighter. There was a firefighting game from years ago. was terrible. He just moved an engine here in the slurred water.
00:54:47
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There's some guys that could use that here. Yeah, that's true. But the game that really turned me into a gamer and actually made me into a PC gamer was Meridian 59, which was an online role-playing game before Ultima came out. So this was it was basically a mux that they added some graphics to and I played hours and hours of Marine 59. Again, it was a subscription paid game and I was 14, 15 years old. I played it until college. wow yeah I remember being a freshman in college and still playing 59. I remember
00:55:22
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i remember It actually still exists. That's amazing, the servers have lasted that long. Yeah, they somebody actually went back and reopened it and it's free play now. Yeah, of course. Went back and opened up the things put some more vacuum tubes on it. Vacuum trips! I have a serious and MMO problem. I will get addicted to it and I will just play the heck out of an MMO.
00:55:49
Speaker
That's why I have to keep myself away from them. WoW was a problem. Star Wars Galaxies was less of a problem and Star Wars the new one was even less of problem. I'm weaning myself with with therapy and drugs, I'm okay.
00:56:03
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And then the guys hardware to get the other one was Halo. I loved Halo. When Halo came out, we played so much multiplayer by LAN. in mind We would bring computer of TV monitors and Xboxes and we would all just sit in my house. and I have a split level house.
00:56:21
Speaker
and we would run cables between all the rooms in my house so we could have just a number of people playing Halo. that week We could get 16 players in my house playing on LAN party and it was awesome That's what we did in Afghanistan. We actually set it up through our entire FOB.
00:56:36
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and played Blackhawk down because I mean we had no other amusement there but yeah we had cables literally running probably a half a mile just so everybody could play. Yeah that that's something i actually miss about the 360 or when the 360 came out it kind of died off and when the Xbox One came out, it's I miss LandClet. I loved it. I loved the idea. You still play local, it's just you set up, I think it all sets up wireless. Yeah, it's just not as fun.
00:57:02
Speaker
It's not the same. And now nobody wants to move it, it's not around. We're all older. Hey, can you blame them? Yeah, you pay that much for the system, you want to keep it safe. Yeah, you want to keep it safe. I had the Xbox, the original Xbox, I had the flip down,
00:57:17
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monitor collected connected to it so you can I used to work it on a private ambulance and we had nothing to at night so I would plug it into the inverter in the ambulance and I would play Morrowind pretty much all night long because I didn't have anything else to do with my giant Duke controller my little flip I still have all of it still works they they still sell those things you see them a lot in AP stores basically you've got like a big suitcase with a monitor on there and everything It works out pretty well.
00:57:47
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yeah i mean I can remember computer wise playing Doom when it first came out. Oh gosh. I remember Doom now. Trying to like remember the patterns of the enemies so you could get to this or get to that. Oh gosh. And you know having you know sleepovers at friend's house. and yeah saying, okay, we're going to play Goldeneye, which, yeah, Goldeneye was a lot of fun.
00:58:11
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And I never had an N64. I had friends who had so I got destroyed because I was trying to relearn the controls and things like that. But I can vividly remember a buddy of mine's birthday party, and we had a sleepover at his house, and he had just got Shadows of the Empire, and we said we were going to beat it that weekend.
00:58:29
Speaker
And we just traded off. know yeah If he died, it was the next person's playthrough or whatever. and we beat that game that weekend. it It was so much fun, you know, joking around, staying up all night, guys kind of sleeping in shifts.
00:58:42
Speaker
The thing that doing that now, at 36, oh gosh, it's 10 o'clock at night, and I'm past bedtime. I still, I'll find myself getting into a game, and you look at the time and go, wow, it's been four or five hours.
00:58:57
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. yeah My wife complains that about my gaming, but The thing for gaming for me is there's there's still a lot of things that stress me out. There's a lot of other crap that I've seen that it is just not cool. and So gaming gives me a chance to get rid of the frustrations.
00:59:15
Speaker
To go out there and kill something without killing something. Or get more frustrated. Or get more frustrated, yeah, depending on the game. If you play Dark Souls. Yeah, i mean some of those games are absolutely insane as far as raising your frustration level.
00:59:28
Speaker
But I mean, when you find something you like, man, when you find something you like, you just stick with it. Stick with it until you don't like it anymore and find something else you do. Like Destiny. Like Destiny. Well, but they just and they just rolled out that new 2.0 or whatever for you guys. Let me tell you, I downloaded the update, and it's pretty awesome. Like like the guns.
00:59:47
Speaker
All right, I know, because that was our big thing, right? I worked my ass off to get those guns. Well, now, they've rolled everything back, and I'm going in there with brand new guns that I bought from the gunsmith, and they're just little white guns, but I'm going out there and destroying crap with these things.
01:00:04
Speaker
The new sniper rifles are amazing. I read somewhere that, like, some of the subquests are kind of glitched in the new Destiny patch, so you don't want to, like, totally finish some...
01:00:14
Speaker
things because they've made it so you can actually do your quest lines over again. um i don't know, this is just my red eye. I haven't played Destiny. Me and my buddy Newman, we were playing the other day after the update and we determined that we're going to do a lot of the stuff but we're not turning any of it in for for credit until the rest of the update drops because there's no sense in turning it in for XP when nothing's, I mean, you're stuck at 34 right now. Nothing's going up, yeah nothing, anything like that.
01:00:45
Speaker
So. I'm not, I don't know. know. I'm having World Tax right now. And I still, i have, I think I looked the other day, I have 2,600 hours in Panzer Corps.
01:00:57
Speaker
So I'm still playing Panzer Wow. That's impressive. I mean... No, I have a problem with Panzer Corps. Panzer Corps and I have a problem. Hey, I mean, I can remember on the computer playing, know, Baldur's Gate 2. Oh, yeah.
01:01:12
Speaker
Neverwinter Nights. mean, you know, the amount of time in those. And for all the, you know, the RPG that I like, I'm not a big m o m MMO guy. it's Some of them are fun, but...
01:01:25
Speaker
What I've always wanted, and I hope a game developer listens to me, I've always wanted it a small multiplayer online experience. I want Skyrim with three of my buddies.
01:01:37
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Yeah, that would be nice. i want I want an environment that I can alter.
Desire for Smaller RPGs
01:01:45
Speaker
with a few of my buddies and we could, like, not as simplistic as Minecraft, but something that we could have our own quests and enjoy as a co-op, because I love co-op, I'm a co-op guy, I'd rather play co-op any time over, because when I played every MMO I've ever played,
01:02:03
Speaker
Rated 59, I was kind of a bad boy. But other than that, I've always played more the PvE side, and I enjoy the PvE side. So I want a PvE experience where it has a sustained environment and it's just a few of my bodies. Like Destiny is fine in that Destiny's great, I only play with three people. I don't really play with other people.
01:02:24
Speaker
But the it gets repetitive. It's so repetitive in Destiny. I want a Skyrim, but with three people. and where i You could claim a territory or something and have your little feast on them. I want that. you could make i feel like you could make that game. and I feel like Dark Ages of Camelot was a close to that where they were trying to make it so that the little servers fought each other and you didn't have to fight each other. I'm totally cool with that.
01:02:52
Speaker
I would love to have something where I could buy the game, invite my friends to play on this server and we don't even have to play at the same time but we're all in the same area and if we wanted to we could go out and do stuff with multiplayer like a massive where you just go out and portal stuff with like they tried to do with WoW but that's what I want. and don't The massive multiplayer I loved it, I have a soft spot for it, but I can't do it anymore. It just hurts my soul too much.
01:03:19
Speaker
And some of them, they try to you know
Frustrations with Call of Duty
01:03:22
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rank it. So, okay, you're this level to this level, you can only do this. But then you have those guys that figure out a way to get in there and just decimate things.
01:03:31
Speaker
Oh, and there's love somebody. that Hell, that's one of the reasons I quit playing Call of Duty. Besides the fact that it became the same game oh people are over and over, but with shittier stuff. yearre in There are those guys that somehow figured a way to get you know the max level within three days, yeah and then they just destroy everything. Yeah, problem with Call of Duty was i was always too good.
01:03:50
Speaker
Oh. I remember days... Did I ever play Call of Duty with Oh, yeah. I'm not sure we ever did. We used to play it the firehouse. I do remember that. We'd play four-player co-op. I made John's... Darren's... Darren's... So mad. Because you would just run around with a knife. run around with a knife and just stabs him. And, oh, man, that hit him bad.
01:04:08
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Yeah, but... love that I love that experience of of the like had a small... I don't want to play with strangers. It's fine to play strangers. War of the Text is fine. Stranger Danger.
01:04:19
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War of the Text is great because I just turn on party chat and I don't have to listen to anybody. It's just my whole cartoon and we just run around.
Mechanics Exploitation in Gaming
01:04:26
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so I tried some of the DC Universe online.
01:04:30
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It was fun. You meet your character and everything. and The nice thing about that was there were some people out there that were like, hey, they just posted up there, I'm level blank. If you need help, with ah you know send me a message if you want help with this mission. If not, if you've got any questions, those are the good ones. But then you always have those jerks, like you said, that are overpowered and they come in, they do the PvP.
01:04:51
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by If any of you have ever played a Souls game, sweet Lord, for I'm the person that I will wait there. and i will you know I'm hey i' definitely here. If you want to summon me into your game, I'll help you beat the boss. right And then you've got the jerks. yeah And I know it's a part of the game.
01:05:07
Speaker
But when somebody who's 50 levels above me goes into my game, stabs me in the back, one shot kills me, and I'm you know waiting to go into a boss arena, that's... There's no now. It's fun for them. Yeah.
01:05:22
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I'm sure it's fun for them. It's the same as, like, you know, Andre the Giant going and punching a toddler in the face. Well, that's kind wrong. Yeah, that's... But, but yeah, I'm with you. There's a...
Toxic Players in Online Games
01:05:37
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There has to be a part of games, especially if they're going to have an online experience, that filters out the a-holes. Yeah. you know You need to have... I'm not that's possible.
01:05:48
Speaker
Well, some games do that, where it's... To come into the game, you have to know the yeah the the code for that you know specific... For Bloodborne, at least, if you go to these chalice dungeons. You can share the code, and people can come in and help you that way. And the only people who know that code punch it in.
01:06:07
Speaker
Let's Diablo do the same thing. Yeah, Diablo did that. Call of Duty, yeah, if you make you know your private rooms or whatever, but still, you're going to go against other teams. Borderlands. Borderlands was a pretty amazing game. Again, I wanted more of a multiplayer experience with Borderlands.
01:06:24
Speaker
Well they have They have that. It's more co-op. i haven't Yes, it is co-op. I came into that game wait. See, that's another one of my problems is I come into games late sometimes and by then and nobody else everybody is so either high leveled or they've moved on something else. So it's like I'm standing out there with tumbleweed going, please someone help me. Yeah.
01:06:42
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We...
Joy of Co-op Gaming
01:06:43
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A buddy mine from college, we tried to sync up the games we buy we're going to play for co-op. We bought Army Two, which actually was a really great co-op game. That was a fun co-op game. It was not a good single-play game, but it was fun co-op game.
01:06:57
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But we bought it specifically because we're like, oh, we're going play co-op. So I never turned it on unless I was playing with him. And that's the stuff that I like doing. yes that's ah ah That's why I like World of Tanks.
01:07:08
Speaker
I jump on with, sometimes, Bradley. Bradley. And some others. yeah But yeah, it's it's that's something I really enjoy is playing an experience with just a small
PC Preferences and Upgrades
01:07:22
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piece.
01:07:22
Speaker
You need to get a PC. You need to get a PC anyway because... My PC is old and dying. might need a new one too, so should just buy new ones together. Yeah. Not even two weeks ago, you said, there's nothing wrong with my computer.
01:07:36
Speaker
Talk about it. No, my laptop is fine. It's my PC. wow you Desktop. but Yes. Yes. I only have a desktop folks, I am old. My wife has the laptop. I have an iPad, i use it for things.
01:07:51
Speaker
As an Apple hater, I not know that have an iPad. That's right, the internet, I hate Apple. I said it right now. and I just started using Apple about a year and a half ago. I like it, it has its quirks. I don't understand how anybody can be fooled by the iPad Pro.
01:08:07
Speaker
So basically they just want to make the service. Oh, they do. Yeah, they just they just... So Microsoft made it better. Everybody steals everything. but now But now it's hipster. It is hipster, yes.
01:08:19
Speaker
Well, Apple has some pretty good products, let's and that's not lie. I mean, how many Androids have I owned versus this... I've had two Apple phones and nothing happened to them. And every Android phone blew up.
01:08:31
Speaker
Don't know if you throw a phone. But it like PC gaming. I can remember you having to flip that box over and look, oh, you know, do I have this, this, this, and this? And, you know, I was going to pop in an old game the other day. I was going to pop in Baldur's Gate 2. I was I haven't played this in years. new operating system is too smart for those old games. You can buy ports for them.
01:08:53
Speaker
I know, and they've got like an iPad version, but I don't know. They were always some difficult to control, though. Oh, no. win oh it was the same as like playing Doom. You had, you know, your keys here, you that.
01:09:04
Speaker
Yeah, I... You couldn't do half as much stuff. I personally would rather play first-person shooter on the computer. I'd much rather be on the console. Well, I'm sorry. When I played first-person shooters lot, like Doom and Wolfenstein and things like that, it was on the keyboard, I guess. I was used to that. i Because of how...
01:09:22
Speaker
stupid I am about MMOs, I have to have a keyboard. yeah Because I need my hotkeys. I can't live without it. Yeah, because I've got to hold L2 and select. Because that was my problem with Dragon Age Dequisition.
01:09:34
Speaker
There's just too much of the radio menus. It does slow down a little bit. slows the game
Commitment to MMOs
01:09:39
Speaker
down. And then it pulls you out. yeah That's not fun. Skyrim or skyram was fine and because they didn't have that. There was a lot. you know i Well, yeah, there was some stuff.
01:09:49
Speaker
But it was it was all the keypad. It wasn't as... It wasn't like a never winner. Yeah. When when I eventually fall back into the darkness of an MMO, and you guys won't see me again yeah for a while, I will be on the keyboard and it'll be on a a computer because I need a keyboard. Right. Because, you know, I can't be a high level healer and not have my high keys. Yeah. And see that, and that's how I will act play it. I usually am
Interest in New Gaming Systems
01:10:14
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a healer.
01:10:14
Speaker
And I just found out it's a, gosh, what the you the game's called? Legends of the Sword Coast or something like that. It's like an online, like one person can be the DM and then you have a couple guys that play through the game. That sounds interesting. That's why I'm thinking about buying a new BV. I haven't heard that in years. Yeah. So, I mean,
01:10:29
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Who knows folks, if this yeah know works out, maybe we'll do a let's play of that one time. That be pretty awesome. Yep. Yeah, you'd have to buy computer. It will be, well, I have a computer. Yeah, someone can play real games. Yeah. This actually is probably better than most desktops.
01:10:43
Speaker
We've thought about getting a new computer anyway, so. My wife just gave me the go ahead. She doesn't know what she get into. She's like, oh yeah, you can buy new computer because I told her, I like, man, it's getting a little old. You know.
01:10:55
Speaker
It's probably seven years old. You're supposed to of those alienwares. They're supposed to be pretty good for gaming. Just build your own. I can't afford Whisper says this, and he understands this. I say, you know, build your own. I'm thinking I'm out in the back with wood and vacuum tubes. I've got a cloth wire down from the sky and trap it in this magical box.
01:11:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I think these days it'd be pretty easy to find, to be able to do it. I mean, you might not be able to build yourself an awesome PC. It's pretty easy. mean, yay yeah, I'm sure there's enough stuff on YouTube. and else I could start with the other. I could just my kid to do Yeah, she has kid to do it, yeah, fine.
01:11:34
Speaker
That's true. Yeah, because she's probably taking, you know, coding in school anyway. I actually just, I have friends who work for Microsoft and say, hey, tell me what to build. They just need it. You know, how many times did you go to point that out in the year? I just like pointing it out in front you. Every time. Yeah.
01:11:49
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Has it gotten you anything good? Yeah. What? Can't tell you. Super secret. Exactly, so nothing. Super secret. Super secret. Super secret. Well, there's nothing wrong with secret.
01:12:00
Speaker
So what do you think, guys? Did we have fun today? Sure. I had fun today. I enjoyed this. It was nice talking outside of work, talking about things that we talk
Building a Social Media Presence
01:12:11
Speaker
about all the time. We talk about all the time, but we wouldn't talk about some of this stuff at work so much, because I always hide my inner nerd when I work. There's certain things I can't talk about.
01:12:19
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There's things I haven't talked about on this yet. Please don't Google me.
01:12:24
Speaker
But, uh, yeah, so I guess our next step is we're going to have to get a Twitter account. Is that what the kids do these days? They get Twitter? I think so. Uh, we'll figure that out. Yeah. We'll let you know soon. It will probably be at Mythic Giraffe.
01:12:41
Speaker
Don't quote me on that. If that's how Twitter works. Yes. Uh, Yeah, that's your handle. Will tumble? Do we tumble? I don't think we need to tumble. What's tumble? I had a handle, but that was the day I had the Viagra. Tumbling is more pictures, like a video diary kind of thing, I think. What's the emerger then?
01:12:58
Speaker
image i and over I don't know. i all just po i have Instagram. and That's pictures too. That's pictures. That's like pictographs. So what's Tumblr? Tumblr? I don't know. I don't have Tumblr. I'm telling you, it's porn. I got LinkedIn. Everything's porn. I'm not LinkedIn. I am LinkedIn. have yet to discover the point of LinkedIn, but I have LinkedIn. I get some... Weird ones? No, I get some good words. Business ones. Business stuff. Because I do...
01:13:22
Speaker
I do not have to show stuff, and I get stuff from that. but ah Yeah, i've got I've got the Facebook, I've got Twitter. I've got the MySpace. Does that still exist? MySpace is for, like, music. yeah that's big they mean We do have the Facebook, guys, and we may open that up so people can leave comments and things like that. We'll have to go up the Mythic Giraffe.
01:13:43
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Send your new pics to you at Brad. Yeah, don't don't send your pics. You can find me on Twitter. I don't tweet a lot. I am at CLTruitt22.
01:13:54
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I'm on Twitter but I have no idea what my handle is because I only got it so I the keys. Do they still do that? Yes, they
Creating Gaming Content
01:14:03
Speaker
do. I need to get back into Borderlands and play some more. I haven't played the last of the DLC. Do they have one for the Xbox One yet? Yes. It's the Handsome Jack collection.
01:14:12
Speaker
war one yeah yeah it's it's building some jack collection yeah they're gonna port Supposedly Borderlands and Borderlands 2 are getting ported over to Xbox One. It's on the list of first ones. Well, if you get that collector's disc, I think it's got the pre-sequel and all the DLC for two. I think already own Borderlands 2, it's going to be just... And all your save streams forever. But yeah, reach out to us. Let us know what you think.
01:14:36
Speaker
Right now, we're trying to figure out the timing of this. Right now, would probably be monthly or like every other week. Semi-weekly. Yeah. Our work schedules, we work one on, three off.
01:14:47
Speaker
with lives and everything is trying to figure out the time to get this on. Some of us have vacations all the time. We are, we're home on 24 hours, so I don't think we're making out.
Podcasting Goals and Farewell
01:14:57
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Starting out, know, wherever you're listening to this, you know we appreciate it. Like us, rank us, however that works. We're hoping to be on, you know, Apple, or podcast, SoundCloud, maybe eventually YouTube. Who knows? You might see us.
01:15:14
Speaker
Ugh. I have to go by three today. I'm going to keep working out harder for me today. All right, folks. Have a great day. Stay safe. See ya. Love you guys.