Transcript
Chris: Welcome back to another episode of the Mythic Giraffe podcast. I'm Chris.
icarusruinslives: And I'm Ron, sneakily getting a nice tea. Turn the intro.
Chris: Sneakily. Yeah. So before the podcast started recording, we were talking about kitchen projects and stuff and don't know.
Chris: I don't know of a ton of fire departments that have these giant commercial ranges and I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't, Aren't you supposed to like preheat those first thing in the morning?
icarusruinslives: I am not a professional kitchen worker. I'm going to point that out. As far as I know, you are supposed to preheat them in the morning.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And when that particular project conversation was had, I said, guys, the reason they have problems with these ovens is because we are not a commercial kitchen. They are meant for commercial kitchens. What you want is a residential kitchen with a larger range.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: That's what you want because they're meant to be in houses.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Cause the other day I don't know, it was one those like behind the scenes things. And it was, don't know, one of Bobby Flay's shows, but like the people are out there cooking, like on the stage kitchen and whatever. And he's like, here, you know, I'll show you that, you know, our refrigerator and, you know, the prep area and everything.
Chris: Yeah. It's got a bunch of counters and this and that. He's like, yeah, gonna cook a couple of hamburgers. He goes to this old beat up residential stove. That's like the knobs almost coming off and everything. And that's what they used to cook for themselves.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, of course.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, yeah. I, I said, I, I had this argument with my colleagues.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I was obviously not, um, consulted guess my opinion didn't matter.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And my, my argument to them was guys, there's only six people who work here. People who live in real houses have these size kitchens for six people.
Chris: yeah
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Like,
Chris: There are some of the people that work with you that six people live in their house.
icarusruinslives: And then have the conversation with them and say, well, we got a future proof. Well, I don't know what future proofing you think is going to happen, but that station is going to be the same staffing as it is right now.
Chris: from
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Prill the building, get locked down.
Chris: We can't, yeah, we can't really add anything.
icarusruinslives: Sweet.
Chris: I mean, we are adding bunk beds.
icarusruinslives: ah
Chris: yeah Yeah, I sent it on a timer that chiefs directive should come out in about 10 minutes.
icarusruinslives: ah Yeah, yeah's and you have the conversation like, even if but unlimited money, the city says, oh, you can add the people you need.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: We can only add at most two people.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: And one of those people is sleeping in a cot in the engine bay.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Our station, unfortunately, has ah many fire stations in the country, was not built to house career staff.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It was built in a time when that wasn't a thing.
Chris: Yeah. And despite their quote unquote efforts to update it, it was not updated the right way.
icarusruinslives: No, yeah, no, it was, well, again,
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It was updated at a time when volunteerism was still a thing and that was important to the city.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm not saying that I'm not getting involved in the conversation of whether it's right or wrong or different. I'm just saying that's what happened.
Chris: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And, you know, you just have to accept that the building is what it is and will be what it is until it's knocked down.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And it's not going to get knocked down for good long while.
icarusruinslives: You know, it's funny, we we had the ah we had that rep for the hose company out there the other day.
Chris: <unk> here
icarusruinslives: And he's like, well, ah you know, you guys just, you have all those Mercedes hoses. I don't really like Mercedes hoses. You should probably go with our our hose. and I said, well, bud, the hose that that hose replaced, they they bought in 2004. So come back and see us in 2040. And we'll talk.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: and
Chris: Does the hose go, does the water go differently through these hoses?
icarusruinslives: ah don't get me started on the seemingly endless cycle of I found the better way to do the job and i I don't want to be like discouraging people from trying new things right like obviously we should be trying to improve our job and yes small things can make a big difference for us
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: But boy, people don't understand like cost and investment.
Chris: No. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: If this hose is 2% better but costs us 60% more, it's not worth it.
Chris: Well, it's like
Chris: Right. Yeah. It's like they were talking about these new nozzles. I was like, does the water come out a different way? Like, oh yeah, it comes out like like a straight thing. was like, okay.
Chris: like, yeah, and the smoothbore's different too. I was like, how is a smoothbore different? It's a square hole. What? Yeah. Yeah. no
icarusruinslives: yeah that's you don't ever want to be the dinosaur right like that is the hardest part of our time frame now is you don't want to be like oh um i just hate things i don't want to see improvement for the sake of improvement i want to see improvement for the sake of safety for
Chris: yeah yeah
Chris: Right.
Chris: Right. Yeah. For ease of work for, yeah, the job safety for, you know, maximizing the effort put forth.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I mean, I was... I'm not happy with what I heard about the low-flow nozzles that we got, because turns out that the hose that we got does not actually match those hosels.
icarusruinslives: Personally, there might be a fix for it, but I was all about that, because if we get the same gallons per minute, this is really inside baseball, people, um but make it easier for our nozzle people, because let's be very honest, the fire service is now...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Younger kids who are seemingly less than meathead jocks or women, right?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: There's a higher percentage of female firefighters in the Salisbury Fire Department than there has ever been, right?
Chris: You're right.
icarusruinslives: So if we can make our nozzles do the same job, but be more efficient and easier for them, I'm on board, right?
Chris: Yeah, absolutely.
icarusruinslives: If our nozzles just make us a stupid different pattern, I'm not on board.
icarusruinslives: i went off on them about the helmet front project.
Chris: Oh, my gosh.
icarusruinslives: And they're like, i don't I don't understand why you're so upset about me. Because it's not change for the better. It's just change to change.
Chris: yep
icarusruinslives: You want to put... i've laid into one of the sergeants on A-Shift about it. I said, you want to put that big SFD on a Union shirt?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Cool. Cool.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: For the last 21 years of my career, it has said Salisbury on the back of my gear. Not SFD, Salisbury.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: There's some tradition there that doesn't need to change. right if If you said, oh, this Scotch-Brite is was more visible and changes how are we find firefighters and fires, that's a think change I'm on board.
Chris: yeah
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: um'm not a I don't like that.
Chris: I was going to be covered up by the pack anyway.
icarusruinslives: Right, well, it's true, too. But I'm not on board with the, I'm not happy about going to Black Gear. I understand we're going to it for reasons that are out of our control. But that's not change.
icarusruinslives: that That change has to happen, right?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: That's just something that has to happen.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: I don't understand changing our helmet fronts because they look cool.
Chris: Oh, I don't think I hate the Boston fronts.
icarusruinslives: I think they look stupid. I think they look like a regular front got smushed.
Chris: Yeah. Exactly. Which is glad I'm glad i won't have to wear one.
icarusruinslives: Do I have to wear one?
Chris: Yeah. ah
icarusruinslives: Do I have to?
Chris: No, I don't think you'll have to.
icarusruinslives: but what And this. and i told this
Chris: what's it i I brought it up. I was like, look, if I was still on the floor and this was the if you said, yeah, this is what we were supplying you. And I said, OK, cool. Can I spend the 50 bucks or whatever to get my own New York front?
Chris: I would because I think it looks stupid.
icarusruinslives: Well, you know, here's, and this is just dumb, round whismore thing. But I thought the front that I have right now, barring something happening to my lid, was the the front that they were going to hand me the day I retire.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: And that meant something to me.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: So I don't want it to be replaced just to replace it.
Chris: Yeah. No.
icarusruinslives: ah You know, maybe that's bad of me, but that's just my...
Chris: now I don't think so.
icarusruinslives: It's just a sentimental thing that I want. That's my front.
Chris: Well, they haven't even ordered the fronts yet because the guy keeps giving them the runaround.
icarusruinslives: but good dis guy
Chris: i just, yeah.
icarusruinslives: i ah What's the cost of that? That's that's my. but
Chris: They're cheaper, evidently. Oh,
icarusruinslives: Right, but to replace all the ones we have now. Why replace
Chris: don't even.
icarusruinslives: Our fronts don't, it doesn't affect any safety, doesn't increase visibility, doesn't change anything.
Chris: Nope.
Chris: Right. Yeah, it should definitely be a moving forward. This is what we get, if that's the decision they want to make.
icarusruinslives: Sure.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, if they're cheaper, and that's a financial reason to going forward, but they're not cheaper to replace the ones we have, because they're not a piece of safety equipment.
Chris: No.
icarusruinslives: They don't have an expiration date.
Chris: Right. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Really? It's...
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Fire Department.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: I find myself like the the longer it goes, the more I get annoyed by these things.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
icarusruinslives: And that seems because I feel like when when we were coming up, when we had conversations with our bosses, it was like, hey, we want to do this because we think so it can improve things.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Right, like we want to change.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: but It's like the C-Shift conversation. C-Shift said, hey, I think we could do this to make the deuce and a half easier to pull. Cool, great conversation.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm all aboard.
Chris: Yep. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: you know If it makes it even 1% easier for somebody somebody to pull, I'm on board.
Chris: Yep.
icarusruinslives: right That's a conversation I'm own um'm all for. conversation of, wow, we want to change the way our lettering on our gear is. Why are you even wasting your time?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: <unk>
icarusruinslives: People have to worry about the the wrong shit in our job. And you know what it all comes down to?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: and It always has an always will in the fire service. will put this out in every everyone, every fire department in the country, in the world probably. When you aren't running fires, you got too much damn time on your hand to think about stupid shit.
Chris: yep yeah yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: When you're running fires, you don't gripe, you don't, You don't do any of this crap. Let's go to fires. Sometimes you go to the wrong city for the fire.
Chris: blame yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: Sometimes.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: Sometimes.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: I was not a happy camper.
Chris: ah that's don't blame you
icarusruinslives: And I just kept saying, someone asked them where the call is pinging from. And everybody's talking about everything.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: They're bothering the poor man whose house has been, but we've been dispatched to wrongly. He's who was in the shower.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, i heard it.
icarusruinslives: They keep going up to him going, well, why did they dispatch it here?
Chris: He was...
icarusruinslives: He's like, I don't fucking, what are you talking, what are you talking to?
Chris: I did not call. It did not originate here. Thank you.
icarusruinslives: Great.
Chris: Good day. Let me get back to my, you know Calgon bath.
icarusruinslives: Great.
icarusruinslives: and the End of conversation. It's 10 o'clock at night and I'm showering. What are you guys bothering me for?
Chris: Yeah. Hmm.
icarusruinslives: But the they don't make mistakes and they're just as close to accreditation.
Chris: Hmm. Hmm.
Chris: ah uh we're talking today it seems like ever since we had that chat with them they've been worse so whatever
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, I think, and this is unfortunate, I think we've had some really big calls since then that they have made big mistakes on.
Chris: yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: And that chat just is fuel and fodder for their mistakes. Right? Like when you come in say, we don't make mistakes, and then you make
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: so some pretty gigantic mistakes.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's not the best.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Doesn't look good, at least.
Chris: No, no.
icarusruinslives: No, no, no, that's going to be my topic.
Chris: Oh, I'm supposed to ask you about club sandwiches.
Chris: Oh, OK.
icarusruinslives: We're not ready for that, sir.
Chris: OK.
icarusruinslives: Keep that in the bag.
Chris: Pardon me.
icarusruinslives: that Let me tell you, that's going to be a rant.
Chris: Nice. So earlier you're talking about, you know, you don't want to become the dinosaur. So did dinosaurs exist?
icarusruinslives: Oh, boy.
Chris: Cause I got, I gotten a, I didn't really get into it because I just was dumbfounded when someone I hold near and dear said, i don't really believe that dinosaurs were a thing.
icarusruinslives: um boy
Chris: There's probably just some big bird skeletons cause they've never really found a full skeleton to put it all together. And yeah, it's just not, no, I was dumbfounded.
icarusruinslives: So, ah you know what? I'm going to defend this person.
Chris: Oh, gosh.
icarusruinslives: I'm going to go out my way to defend this person. I'm going to play devil advocate before for one hot second.
Chris: OK. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: So, obviously, of of probably most people you know, have a more history-leaning bent to their brain.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And so i I read a lot of stuff about archaeology and anthropology. I'm very interested in pre-historical peoples.
icarusruinslives: And I will say that anthropologists and archaeologists make a lot of fill in the blanks.
Chris: Yes. Yeah, we'll give you that.
icarusruinslives: To say that dinosaurs didn't exist is a crazy conversation.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: Because obviously we didn't find a bird with a 12-foot head with a three-inch body.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: like
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It didn't happen. I think what problem the people have with dinosaurs they don't understand the scale of time.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I think that's our, I think, is a you it's almost unimaginable time scale, right?
Chris: I mean, well, the Earth is only what three, four thousand years old.
icarusruinslives: Oh God.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: Right.
Chris: yeah yeah yeah hundreds of millions
icarusruinslives: But it's real hard to understand, like, no, the planet Earth, millions of years ago, like, everything that's human, was millions of years after the dinosaurs like like we are the scale of time you can barely see an inch between us and the first humans right like we haven't even ticked that many years we're what a hundred thousand years as a species or something like that you know some of these dinosaur species lasted for millions of years
Chris: yeah
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah, yeah, tens of millions.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, like, just the scale of time is so crazy. And, to be fair to that person, though, it is very hard to find intact skeletal remains of anything.
Chris: Yes.
icarusruinslives: Right? Like, wait we have, like, I think the oldest mummified corpse is, like, what, Cheddar Man or whatever from 10,000 years ago or something.
icarusruinslives: Right?
Chris: yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: add millions on top of that. You're not finding skin. You're not finding mostly intact bones. And I think they have found intact...
Chris: they have no they did find a full t-rex skeleton i want to say
icarusruinslives: I think it's never been a Tyrannosaurus Rex, right? I think all the T-Rex...
icarusruinslives: Oh, I thought all the T-Rexes were partial. I thought the one in Chicago was like the most complete one they've ever found. But still, it's not like it's... it's Even if it's 80% correct, you're like, well, that's not a parrot.
icarusruinslives: like
Chris: yeah yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: It's just the scale of time is is crazy to people.
Chris: yeah yeah sue the tyrannosaurus rex 90 of the total bones were found together yeah yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I think it's the most complete T-Rex I've ever found.
icarusruinslives: But 90% is pretty good. percent's pretty good you know and if you find 90 of sue and this is what they do they find 90 of sue and then they find 30 of a different one but that covers the 10 that's missing on sue and hasn't you know that's how you compare and figure out what you're missing it's not like they make it up it's not a jigsaw puzzle and they're like oh we can put this any way that we want yeah they do like
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Right.
Chris: Yeah. And it was, what was the comment? It was something about, oh, it was some kind of animal skull. It was like, have you ever seen such a such skull? I mean, the actual animal looks totally different than what the skull looks like. I'm like, yes.
icarusruinslives: You also look really different than what your skull looks like.
Chris: But again, that.
icarusruinslives: What is wrong with you?
Chris: Yeah, but that just the teeth alone.
icarusruinslives: Right.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: And that the skull looks different, but the bone structure is still there.
Chris: Yeah. It all started because my daughter, my oldest, the college child said, do you think the dinosaurs breastfed? Is that why T-Rex had little arms to make sure the baby could hold right there?
Chris: ah I said, well, they were birds and lizards, so no they did not breastfeed. And then it was, well, if you actually believe that they existed, and i was just, but what?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: That's a hard way to come back from.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. But, but I asked my, I was like, what do you, what do you mean? know, why would a bird breastfeed? She's like, well, they do. i was like, well, they don't drink milk. She yes, they do.
icarusruinslives: They don't create milk.
Chris: said, I said, no.
icarusruinslives: That's one of the defining features of being a bird.
Chris: She said, well, the mama bird chews up the worm and it turns to milk and that's how the baby gets fed. I was like, it's not how that works. Please go back to college. Oh, God.
icarusruinslives: into milk?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: What they teach to these kids?
Chris: I was like, keep, well, she's studying, yeah, music education. Definitely not, you know, paleontology or mammology.
icarusruinslives: It's fair. It's fair.
Chris: Golly day. Hmm.
icarusruinslives: I, I like most kids. Paleontology was what I want. I mean, we are the age group that paleontology was like the coolest job of all time. Right.
Chris: Oh, yeah.
icarusruinslives: Cause when I was a kid and I'm sure you were the same way we had like the big book of dinosaurs encyclopedia
Chris: Yep.
icarusruinslives: We all had. We had the little models you put together with the little ah little pieces of wood, the MDF board models.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And then Jurassic Park hit like when we were...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: The book came out i was 10? and The movie was like 93?
Chris: Yeah, 93.
icarusruinslives: So was like 13? Is that right?
Chris: Yeah. ninety three yeah
icarusruinslives: don't remember that's good.
Chris: Yeah, we were 14 years old. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. It's like we were the perfect...
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: crop to be a you know paleontologists.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
icarusruinslives: And then I got to college and I was like, oh, they don't make money.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, because I applied to University of Montana.
icarusruinslives: Oh.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm going to find the raptors.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I did the archaeology route for a little bit until I realized that, boy, they really don't make money.
Chris: yeah
Chris: Unless you're Indiana Jones.
icarusruinslives: Unless you're an Anjan somehow.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Not sure how he made the money, but No, I mean, I literally,
Chris: They found those relics and sold them to the museum.
icarusruinslives: I was asked to go on a dig to Egypt.
Chris: Ooh.
icarusruinslives: And when they ask you to go on this dig, you're like, oh, cool. And then they say, it's going to cost you $15,000 to $20,000. And you go, I'm a college student who works at a bagel shop. I don't have $15,000 to $20,000 to go to.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Where would I cough up that money?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And the professor said,
Chris: Oh, no, no. Good, sir. I thought you said you were going to pay 15 to $20,000. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, right. I was assuming that the university would cover the costs.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: and Whatever. I don't make any money. It's a school internship or something, right? Because the here's the scam, right?
Chris: right yeah yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: The professor works for the university. He has tenure and teaches classes on Egyptology.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: he goes to like i can't i shouldn't mention the specific area in egypt he goes because you know what identify him he goes there with a bunch of university students that he has pay for the privilege to go there then he publishes research the university gets grant money he makes money off his book students get screwed
Chris: yeah
Chris: yeah yeah it sounds like students get screwed yeah yeah that was fun resume builder
icarusruinslives: ah Yeah. You get to cool, I did a dig in Egypt. That was awesome for a summer and I took out a bunch of debt to do it.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, to come get a job. but Unfortunately, you and I were the last generation of people that could have just like gone into academia because now it's almost impossible.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. I feel so bad for college kids these days.
Chris: Oh, yeah. yeah Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I don't know what they're... don't know what they're all going to do.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: really worry about them.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I don't know what...
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: talk about it all the time. I don't know what the fire department is going to like in 10 years. you know And I'm going to need it in 10 years. like
icarusruinslives: like i Yeah, I'm not going to work in the fire department, but I'm going to be of the age where start using the fire department services and...
Chris: Yes, say I will not be working at the fire department in 10 years.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: What hell's going to look like? You know. i
Chris: Drones.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. You just, like, load yourself up in the ambulance and the robots take you.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: That's
Chris: It's just everybody has a vacuum tube.
icarusruinslives: a lot of vacuum tubes.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, considering they're closing hospitals at an astounding rate, i don't know how that's going to work.
Chris: I didn't say you're going to a hospital.
icarusruinslives: Oh.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Right to the morgue.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
Chris: Yeah. They'll just, yeah, they'll send you in a vacuum tube. They'll scan you. And depending, they'll either send you to a convalescent home or send you right to the morgue.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I'm not in for that.
Chris: No, no, no. It doesn't sound fun.
icarusruinslives: and No, no. Someone's been to the rehab facilities. I'm not in for that.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. side tangent don't know why it made me think of this i i watched the newer total recall movie the other day the one with colin farrell it had nothing to do with mars yeah it was all about there's a colony or that like you know humanity all that's left is in said like the
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Thank God.
icarusruinslives: Oh, yeah, yeah.
icarusruinslives: What?
icarusruinslives: What?
Chris: greater britain foundation or something it's like all of western europe and then the colony which is australia and there's a pipeline tube that connects the two and they go back and forth to work through this giant tube through the middle of the earth and yeah it still had the recall and all that but nothing about mars it was yeah
icarusruinslives: What?
Chris: weird yeah I was like what no yeah there are a lot of robots yeah it was just yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: um
icarusruinslives: i am...
icarusruinslives: I'm kind of blown away, i guess.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: It's one of those things where we're going to find out, and I'm sure if we looked it up we would, that like this is closer to the original story.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: the movie the original movie was a farce there was nothing like the story
Chris: Right. That's like how the new running man is supposed to be. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: right i don't i like dynamo yeah it's a great movie it was such a great time for movies like you just and maybe i'm and i probably am
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Buzzsaw.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm totally, you know, misremembering. And I was not aware of that world where like people are like, I hate these schlocky action movies.
icarusruinslives: But it feels like everybody was on board for just schlocky, totally unrealistic action movies.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yep.
icarusruinslives: And that was, there was no internet. Maybe there were, maybe they had like public forums where people went and complained about shit, but I don't know.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: ah On Tuesday nights, we talk about the cinema. On Wednesday nights.
icarusruinslives: Right, right. Tuesday night's topic, complaining about the Predator and the unrealistic abilities of the aliens. like
Chris: Oh, my gosh.
icarusruinslives: pretty it's just
Chris: I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that.
icarusruinslives: It was so great to just enjoy movies.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I finally got like ah sad, painted news for myself.
Chris: Oh, no.
icarusruinslives: the only The only movies I go to anymore... The only movies I pay to see in a theater are old movies.
Chris: and Okay.
icarusruinslives: like and
Chris: Hmm.
icarusruinslives: There's this charity called Movies on Tap in Delaware and they show like they have a They rent out a theater, one of the movie theaters, and they show, like every Christmas, they show Christmas Vacation, and they show, what's the last one we went to? Oh, Animal House.
Chris: Okay.
icarusruinslives: And i have they like team up with a local brewery, and they have a local charity every week, and you feel good, and you get to watch a movie on the big screen.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: You're really just watching a DVD projected on a big screen, but whatever.
Chris: ah yeah That's fine.
icarusruinslives: It's a fine event. They're They're closing.
Chris: What? Huh.
icarusruinslives: And like their last one's going to be this is December and I don't know why. It's sad.
Chris: I think you and your wife should keep it open.
icarusruinslives: Well, and I think it's because the theater is doing so poorly.
Chris: oh
icarusruinslives: Because out like in this time that we've been going to the charity, this theater went from being a newer theater to it's you can tell it's run down. They're not keeping up on maintenance. And I just don't know that theaters can keep up anymore.
Chris: Yeah. but I mean, the fire department has a large training room. We could.
icarusruinslives: It's fair. It's fair.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's just ah kind of sad to see that like that kind of charity can exist.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: But it also has been something that we've been saying that movie theaters are dead.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
icarusruinslives: Like, your kids don't care about movies at all, right?
Chris: My youngest doesn't. My oldest, she enjoys the movies.
icarusruinslives: Yeah?
Chris: But I think it's because my wife enjoys the movie so much, and I think that's a corruption she's passed down.
icarusruinslives: Right. But then, like, your kids' kids won't even know what a movie theater is, probably.
Chris: oh so Watch it on their glasses or something.
icarusruinslives: Right. Like your kids' kids will be like, why are these empty space buildings? what What is this crap?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: This could be 33,000 apartments. What are you guys doing?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yes, side change of that.
Chris: Yeah. like go I go home to sleep in my tube and yeah.
icarusruinslives: yeah Side change of that, we have a...
icarusruinslives: If you're not following what's going on in U.S. healthcare, you're a crazy person, but... A company came in and bought three hospitals local to us.
Chris: Oof.
icarusruinslives: Not in Delaware, but over the PA line.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Couldn't turn them into profitable. Basically, they were trying to sell them off. They bought them, hoping to sell them off and make money.
Chris: Is this a new thing? You're not house flipping, you're hospital flipping?
icarusruinslives: Pretty much seems like.
Chris: Huh.
icarusruinslives: So like all the hospitals are closed.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And i saw a thing in an article the other the day, and they're like, we're trying to have the the hospitals rezoned so that we can sell the land.
Chris: What?
icarusruinslives: Who the hell, what what are you going to do with those buildings?
Chris: Oh my gosh.
icarusruinslives: What possible use? And now I just thought about
Chris: Thunderdome.
icarusruinslives: The only thing you could do with a hospital is turn it into an apartment building.
Chris: here Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I mean, you could put real doors on those and turn those into apartments.
Chris: I guess, yeah.
icarusruinslives: Right? Like, they don't have to be super fancy. They could be low-income apartments. Bam. I just solved the housing crisis in this area.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: We know that you've got the diabetes, but and instead of having a place you can get taken care of, here's an apartment.
icarusruinslives: Look, the hospital closed either way. i can't help that part.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I can't fix that side. Yeah.
Chris: Mm-mm.
icarusruinslives: I mean, look, we're all about a year out from facing no health care in the United States anyway, so...
Chris: yeah yeah no no yeah
icarusruinslives: I really hope you guys enjoyed the ride of ambulances coming to your house, because I don't think that's going to last much longer.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, ready to move on to topic one?
Chris: sure topic one okay
icarusruinslives: All right. So, this happened twice. I can't believe this happened twice. It's... Almost unfathomable to me that this happened twice. So the wife and I, for our anniversary every year, we go somewhere we go away somewhere.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: The last couple years, we just kind of gone to the beach and enjoyed a nice week down there. Though, to be fair, this year we took one too many days. The last day we're just like, just want to home.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It was just too much.
Chris: yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: ah So the yeah we went to the first... The first day we rode into town and we got, you know, ride around bikes and go to the park and we get hungry and we're like, oh, let's go to this restaurant, which we've been to before. It was fine. It wasn't great.
icarusruinslives: One of those places. you're just like, well, I'll go there.
Chris: Yeah, yeah.
icarusruinslives: was like, i' just get a sandwich. Oh, they have a, can't remember. It's like a salmon club or a seafood club, whatever they called it. It was a club sandwich. It was advertised as a club sandwich.
icarusruinslives: What, pray tell my friend, is the defining characteristics of a club sandwich.
Chris: Well, it's multi-tiered and has a toothpick in it.
icarusruinslives: So how many pieces of bread? At a minimum, at a minimum, three.
Chris: At a minimum, three.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: So i order I order this club sandwich. It was a, oh, sorry.
Chris: Yeah. Usually the bread is toasted.
icarusruinslives: Sure, sure. Toasted bread, usually some sort of lettuce, tomato, ah a meat, maybe some bacon, mayonnaise, club sandwich.
Chris: no Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's perfectly fine sandwich. The sandwich comes to my table. Two pieces of bread.
Chris: What?
icarusruinslives: Two pieces of bread.
Chris: And like just two pieces of white bread?
icarusruinslives: It was two pieces of white bread, the fish, bacon, tomato, and lettuce.
Chris: to but
icarusruinslives: How is that a club sandwich?
Chris: but's not That's not. That's a sandwich.
icarusruinslives: It's a fish BLT.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's a fish BLT.
Chris: Right.
icarusruinslives: You sons of bitches.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah, that's what...
icarusruinslives: False advertising.
Chris: That is false advertisement of the utmost.
icarusruinslives: So then I texted you that day, I think, remind me to tell you about this the next time record.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: We have since gone to another restaurant that also was a seafood place. And I got the club sandwich again. Two pieces of bread.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: That's not... No.
icarusruinslives: There are no standards anymore.
Chris: No.
icarusruinslives: Words have no meaning. we've we've We've reached the point of anarchy. When I can't go into a restaurant as a red-blooded patriotic American, and get a club sandwich with at least three pieces of bread, the society has fallen.
Chris: The Oxford Dictionary. Club sandwich. Noun. A sandwich of meat, usually chicken and bacon, tomato, lettuce, and mayonnaise, with two layers of filling between three slices of toast or bread.
icarusruinslives: It must have three slices. i
Chris: It's literally in the definition.
icarusruinslives: I'm on board. You want to say it's a fish club sandwich and it was fish, bacon, bread, you know, brit bread, fish, bacon, bread, lettuce, tomato, bread on board.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm not on board with two slices of bread.
Chris: No, that's no, no.
icarusruinslives: it's It's a step too far.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: But to have it happen twice.
Chris: and And you should be able to react.
icarusruinslives: Well, you know, I'm never going to react.
Chris: There should be like a.
icarusruinslives: I'm just going to eat the dance sandwich and shut up.
Chris: Yeah, but there should.
icarusruinslives: Okay.
Chris: But no, but like. Go on Yelp or something and yeah. Liars.
icarusruinslives: but Well, yeah it's...
Chris: Or like as soon as it came to your table, you should. Liar.
icarusruinslives: but My wife and I, like, sometimes I'll get angry when someone does something wrong when they're driving, and she's like, don't talk at them. I'm like, well, how are they ever going to learn?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: How are they ever going to know that they're wrong if they don't get corrected?
Chris: Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah.
icarusruinslives: These people are wrong. That's...
Chris: You need to send me these locations. I will write a stern email.
icarusruinslives: Well, yeah'll you'll probably go one... You've probably even been to the one restaurant because it's directly across from the place we get our uniforms from.
Chris: first from where we get our uniform
icarusruinslives: In Lewis. Pretty sure that's where we get all our fancy uniforms from.
Chris: oh maybe i don't know i don't get to lose a lot
icarusruinslives: Might be wrong.
icarusruinslives: Lose. Yeah. Well, if you go, it's directly across...
Chris: yeah okay yeah yeah maybe next next thursday admin lunch
icarusruinslives: So make ah tell the boss. Oh, you're the boss right now. Tell yourself that got to go inspect our uniform shop. And go over there.
icarusruinslives: Admin lunch. No doubt. No doubt.
icarusruinslives: Where's the admin staff? Oh, they all went to loose. What the hell?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: My shift has to work Thursday, too. Don't worry.
Chris: Uh huh.
icarusruinslives: We'll keep up the slack.
Chris: But yeah, I mean, why are you lying to your customers like that?
icarusruinslives: but It drove me nuts. it
icarusruinslives: but Why not just call it a ah ah fish BLT?
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I think it was salmon. A salmon BLT. Why would you make up and another thing?
Chris: It doesn't.
icarusruinslives: Because if you if you said sammon salmon, a salmon BLT, I would imagine it's salmon, bacon, lettuce, tomato.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Which is what it was.
Chris: Right. yeah that Yeah. What does that give them bonus points? Does it, is it, Oh, we've got to have so many club sandwiches on the menu.
Chris: So we had to call it a club sandwich. No, that's not how that works. That's lying to your customers.
icarusruinslives: I don't think there's a and don't think there's a health department director saying you must have X number of club sandwiches on your menu.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's crazy.
Chris: Well, and that's the other thing.
icarusruinslives: Crazy.
Chris: How'd the health department let them get away with this?
icarusruinslives: Do you think the health department is checking their menu?
Chris: They should be.
icarusruinslives: ah Club sandwich. All right, make your club sandwich. i want I better see three slices of bread.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: We'll see.
icarusruinslives: Yep.
Chris: But that's the thing though. They need some kind of supervision. Somebody checking on them. Because I remember when I worked at a subway restaurant. That when they would have their secret shoppers come in.
Chris: And they would order a sub. And ask for all these crazy things on it. And then they took it to the back. And they opened it up. And they said okay. Because you only put. three pickle slices on a six inch sub and you put two olives and you know, they would count that shit out.
Chris: And if you didn't get it right, you got in trouble.
icarusruinslives: Should you get in trouble or should your boss get in trouble for not training you correctly?
Chris: Well, no, I was trained correctly. It's just if I was lazy or not.
icarusruinslives: That's fair.
Chris: Yeah. Oh God. Trouble afoot.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, it might, it's high danger that about the boss thing. One of my employees the other day said, well, how come you're not mad about me not knowing this? And I said, well, how would I be mad at you for not knowing something?
icarusruinslives: It's my job to tell you things. If I haven't told you, then how can I expect you to know it? And she was like, I don't know.
Chris: But was it something they should know?
icarusruinslives: No.
Chris: OK.
icarusruinslives: It was something they should have been told.
icarusruinslives: 100% it should have been told by by their boss.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: But I can't blame that person for their boss not telling them. Right? It's just that person should be told.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. So then you go to that boss the next time you see them. And what the hell were you thinking?
icarusruinslives: I gave up.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: i I have learned it's much easier to just mold my shift than to worry about other people's shifts.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Because if shift leaves the grease trap on the blackstone full one more time, I'm going to set fire to their cars.
icarusruinslives: I told them they're no longer allowed to use it. And they thought I was joking. Because I had to send a strongly worded email out the other day, please stop leaving this grease trap full.
icarusruinslives: And then the next shift, I pulled the grill out and the grease trap was full and got greased all over the floor. And I almost went ballistic.
icarusruinslives: And I said, if you guys don't take care of things, you can't use them.
Chris: Yeah, that's the way it works.
icarusruinslives: That's the way it works. If you fill it up, empty it.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's what I do for you. Make sure you do it for others.
Chris: my gosh. You should take the grease trap, dump it into a jar, and then sneak into the firehouse right before they get there on C-shift and fill it back up.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Or the next time I work overtime, I'll sneak in and fill it up with my own urine.
Chris: All...
Chris: Yes.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Sons of bitches.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I cannot wait for
Chris: but Or just take it and dump it in their lieutenant's boots.
icarusruinslives: them. That would help. Well, they go on so few calls, though, it would take them like a month to notice.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: So, uh, old D-Shift's not been rolling deep lately either, there so can't really say much.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: We've been weirdly, oddly, scarily...
Chris: Yeah, it's been that way for a lot of people.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. I don't know what's going on.
Chris: Which is a good thing. That means people aren't getting in trouble and aren't hurting and.
icarusruinslives: It's true. It's true.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's good for the people, bad for us. I always say that, like when people ask me, like, how come you enjoy your job?
Chris: Yes.
icarusruinslives: I'm like, well, because trained for it.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Right. If you trained to do something and you' never get to do it, you'd be like annoyed.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: You I just not that I want anybody to get hurt. Put Dan on there to help.
icarusruinslives: ah Well, I think the last sign all this is if you're going to name it a club sandwich, it better be a fucking club sandwich.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Or we're coming for you.
Chris: Or else. Oh yeah. No, we're coming in for you.
icarusruinslives: We're coming for you.
Chris: Yeah. Kelly, make a note, go get them.
icarusruinslives: Well, on the topic...
Chris: Topic two. So was thinking about this and. We both play of the video games.
icarusruinslives: We do?
Chris: If you had to name ah video game for each genre, if somebody was like, you know, what's the quintessential first person shooter or this or that, you know, what comes to mind?
Chris: So I thought we'd go through some of them.
icarusruinslives: Boy. All right, i've already I'm already mad about one of them, but go ahead.
Chris: Oh, gosh. OK, so we'll start with first person shooters.
icarusruinslives: So, but the one I'm already mad about. You're starting right out the gate.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm going to say the answer that I don't like, but I think is right.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: The answer is Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
Chris: Yeah. yeah
icarusruinslives: I'm not happy about it.
Chris: yeah no
icarusruinslives: I would like say Halo. i would like to say Doom. I would like to say Wolfenstein. But when it comes to Quiz Essential, the one, the best of the growth, the one that all the other ones are compared to, it's got to be...
Chris: yeah yeah
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: Modern Warfare 2.
Chris: yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: Makes me sad say it.
Chris: yeah Yeah, I mean, I would just say Call a Duty in general, but yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, Call of Duty has got some real stinkers in there.
Chris: Oh, yeah, yeah.
icarusruinslives: know
Chris: Yeah, it does.
icarusruinslives: yeah But it just think of like if you think of the game that like multiplayer, first-person shooter set up that real genre, that that's that one.
Chris: But.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Are Doom and Quake really first person shooters?
icarusruinslives: Sure, they're like the first-person shooters.
Chris: I guess it's where you don't. You can't aim down the sights.
icarusruinslives: Right, yeah.
Chris: I guess that's what throws me off.
icarusruinslives: Sure. But, you know, they're still first-person Like, if you were like, what's the granddaddy of all first-person shooters?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'd be like, somewhere between Doom or Wolfenstein? I think it's probably Doom, but...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: Which was... can't remember which one was first.
icarusruinslives: I think Doom was first without doing any research, which is the best way to.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Good old Doomguy was before BJ Blazkowicz.
icarusruinslives: There you go.
Chris: yeah yeah what oh yeah god that was such a ah that was a game yeah um all right so platformer
icarusruinslives: ah Serious Sam. Serious Sam is also good one.
icarusruinslives: Duke Nukem. It
icarusruinslives: was a game. It was indeed.
Chris: see i i immediately go to super mario 3.
icarusruinslives: i said I immediately go to Super Mario 2?
Chris: two really but it's not a mario game yeah was doki doki surprise or something yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: i love 2!
icarusruinslives: It's not a Mario game. and see you've even Even if you know the backstory, it's not a Mario game. ah But, yeah. um Yeah, I mean, it's gotta to be a Mario.
icarusruinslives: um And I think that's a generational thing. like I think if you asked kids, they'd be like, Mario Odyssey, or...
Chris: yeah is it mario wonder now
icarusruinslives: you know, but it's, it's a Mario game. Yeah. It's some sort of Mario game.
Chris: um not
icarusruinslives: Like there's no, there's no doubt on that to me.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. um Racing. Racing game.
icarusruinslives: I'm not a big racing guy. um
Chris: i Not either, but...
icarusruinslives: Forza probably.
Chris: Yeah, I would say for the Forza games.
icarusruinslives: yeah
Chris: Because it's between them and... oh gosh, what's the other one? Like Need for Speed or something like that?
icarusruinslives: Yeah, think it's Forza.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Pole position from Atari.
Chris: Oh gosh, it i that was one the first games I ever played.
icarusruinslives: Me too. It's the first game I ever made the leaderboard on an arcade cabinet.
Chris: that's pretty cool.
icarusruinslives: Showbiz Pizza, Wilmington, Delaware. 1986?
Chris: Nice.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Yeah. six
Chris: R-H-W.
icarusruinslives: yeah
Chris: um Fighting game.
icarusruinslives: I'm going to say the one that popped in my head first and I think I can i think you can persuade me against it but I'm going to say Mortal Kombat
Chris: Yeah, see, i I immediately think Street Fighter.
icarusruinslives: i and i i can't argue with that logic but for me and the one that popped into my head when you said the other game was Mike Tyson Punch-Out yeah yeah
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Oh, Punch-Out?
icarusruinslives: It's a great game. it's not really a fighting game.
Chris: Oh, boy. But it is.
icarusruinslives: i mean the By the strictest definition of the word, it is a game about fighters.
Chris: yeah.
icarusruinslives: Fighting.
Chris: yeah
icarusruinslives: But I would say...
Chris: of the Yeah, that 2D side-scrolly.
icarusruinslives: Maybe I'd be convinced to go to Street Fighter 2.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I'll go to Street Fighter 2. ah Mortal Kombat is probably closer to my heart, but Street Fighter is probably the right mix there.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. God.
Chris: The first Mortal Kombat where, like, look at these graphics.
icarusruinslives: It just felt like Mortal Kombat...
Chris: It's so realistic.
icarusruinslives: Well, just felt like Mortal Kombat when you played Street Fighter and you played Mortal Kombat, you're like, oh my god, this is a much better game.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: You know.
Chris: Yeah. The hits felt like they really connected. But I feel like, for me, Mortal Kombat went off the rails with all the fatalities and brutality and babality.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. It's fair.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And the characters in Street Fighter are better.
Chris: Yeah. Well, I mean, Jean-Claude Van Damme was the guy.
icarusruinslives: ah what's his name was M. Bison Adam's family guy yeah yeah crazy it's crazy movie it's a movie
Chris: Oh, gosh. yeah um Raoul Julia...
Chris: Yeah, it's something. and it It's a movie. that's that's That's one way to put it. It's a movie. Aren't they remaking it?
icarusruinslives: oh I don't know well they made like 40 of those Mortal Kombat movies and I've seen like one of them
Chris: I think they are making another Street Fighter movie.
Chris: that's
Chris: Yeah, let's see. I don't know of any of these people. Roman Reigns, I think he's a WWE guy. He's going to be Akuma.
Chris: Cody Rhodes is going to be Guile.
icarusruinslives: don't know who that is. don't who any these people are.
Chris: Cody Rhodes, that's Dusty Rhodes' son.
icarusruinslives: Cool.
Chris: ah Gold, yeah, Goldust from WWE.
icarusruinslives: I watched wrestling when I was six.
Chris: Cent is going to be Balrog.
icarusruinslives: I don't even know who Balrog is.
Chris: He was the like Mike Tyson looking guy.
Chris: Jason Momoa is going to be Blanca.
icarusruinslives: Well, then I'm out.
Chris: Are you strictly anti Jason Momoa?
icarusruinslives: I'm over the Jace Momoa train.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm sorry. I know you can beat me up, but...
Chris: ah No, no, no. I'm not going to beat you up at all.
icarusruinslives: No, him.
Chris: Oh, I don't know. I think, and yeah, you could probably just point to a beer or something and he travel over to it.
icarusruinslives: Like, he seems like a cool guy.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: i i don't think I'd want to have a beer with him.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: He's too much for me.
Chris: Yeah. yeah Too much personality. Yep.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris: Yep. Computer RPGs. The old CRPGs.
icarusruinslives: Oh, so right we need to define ah CRPG for a second.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: So I like the isometric.
icarusruinslives: So we're we're ignoring JRPGs. So
Chris: Yeah. It's like the isometric 2.5 D or whatever.
Chris: a CRPG.
icarusruinslives: so you're talking like the old school Dungeons and Dragons games?
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Well, I mean. Yeah. I mean, pretty much anything. Any of the role playing games you played on a computer back in the day.
icarusruinslives: Hmm. So we're taking MMORGs out of it, I'm assuming.
Chris: Yeah. That would be a totally separate.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. um I think it's got to be like... I think it was... It was Dungeons & Dragons Quest for... Oh, man.
icarusruinslives: this just This is an old poll. This is like the
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: um Will you give me your answer? I'm going to at mine.
Chris: Why? Because I go to the original Baldur's Gate.
icarusruinslives: Oh, you're talking about those RPGs. though You're talking about top-down RPGs.
Chris: Well, really, I mean, well, it could be anything, but yeah, I mean, that when I think of a CRPG, I think of the first Baldur's Gate.
icarusruinslives: Oh.
icarusruinslives: Well, then I'm going to flip that and say Neverwinter because that was better.
Chris: Ooh, Neverwinter was better. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Neverwinter was better than...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And i i look, we both have a very soft spot in our hearts for Baldur's Gate, but Neverwinter.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Let's see what happens.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I could find that game though. 90s. I can see
Chris: What? Are we talking about the, is it? The temple of Flan or whatever?
icarusruinslives: the game in head.
Chris: quest for the iron monkey?
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: don't know.
icarusruinslives: i can see the game in my head
Chris: That's always frustrating. We can see it, but you can't.
icarusruinslives: yeah
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: um Well, while we're there, how about your role playing game?
icarusruinslives: It might have been...
Chris: Could be JRPG, could be Western RPG, could be. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I mean, I know the answer you're gonna give, I feel like.
Chris: What am I going to give?
icarusruinslives: Final Fantasy, I'm assuming seven.
Chris: Yeah. No.
icarusruinslives: Oh.
Chris: No. I never really liked seven. and
icarusruinslives: oh
Chris: Yeah. No. Four. Four was what got me into it. I would say six, though. Six is the better story. More characters.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I am gonna go Star Wars Knights Republic.
Chris: that's a good one.
icarusruinslives: That's where I'm gonna go. That I felt like was the best version of a Bioware game.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I mean, there's good numbers out there. like Skyrim would have been good, but Skyrim isn't the right answer.
Chris: Now.
Chris: Was the game you're thinking of the D&D game. Eye of the Boulder.
icarusruinslives: It might have been Eye Balder.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Fair.
Chris: um Yeah. Yeah. Skyrim's fine. I'm personally. I'm just not a big. don't know. That's not my gig.
icarusruinslives: Fair.
Chris: Not. The first person RPG. The combat always feels too floaty.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: Unless it's.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: I mean for the sword. know all that. Spells and everything that's fine. But.
icarusruinslives: It's also just a really old engine.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. um Strategy game.
icarusruinslives: ah Real-time strategy game or hex-based strategy game?
Chris: Yes. Real time.
icarusruinslives: ah Oh. I'm going to have to give it to the one that I don't agree with, but is probably the correct answer, and that's StarCraft.
Chris: Oh, OK.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, my answer personally, it would be Command & Conquer.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: um And especially Command & Conquer Red Alert. I loved that game.
Chris: i mean Command and conquer was what I fall off.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, but StarCraft is like... Like, that's the one that everybody knows, right? That's the one that everybody and and for some reason was never able to capture that again
Chris: yeah. yeah
icarusruinslives: like they tried that starcraft 2 and it was fine and there was like the rogue starcraft or whatever the heck that was and it never and it just kind of tizzled out and died like you don't see starcraft stuff come anymore you know not that you see commands conquer out come out either
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: No. No, you don't.
Chris: No. Wasn't the original Warcraft strategy game?
icarusruinslives: Oh yeah, Warcraft 1, 2, and 3.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Age of Empires up there on the list.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Hardcore. Command and Conqueror Alert is my favorite of them. That was the one I enjoyed the most as a kid.
Chris: Yeah. yeah Pretty sure... Warhammer games are in there too, right?
icarusruinslives: a Total Warhammer, yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: there's yeah
Chris: Yeah. How about MOBA?
icarusruinslives: I don't like MOBAs.
Chris: I don't either.
icarusruinslives: um I tried League Legends.
Chris: Yeah, that's what comes to my mind.
icarusruinslives: Was not a fan. i The one I would say I've played the most of and and sort of enjoyed was Smite.
Chris: Okay. No?
icarusruinslives: um I went on a little bit of a Smite kick.
Chris: No?
icarusruinslives: ah just it feel um My problem, and this is the this is totally me, not a people who play MOBA, I'm not calling you out. It just gets repetitive for me.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Very quickly.
Chris: Yeah. Yep.
Chris: um and MMO.
icarusruinslives: Boy, as probably the person on this podcast with the most time in MMOs, um I have to really wait.
icarusruinslives: So my heart wants to say Meridian 59, which is a game I played obsessively in high school in my first two years of college.
Chris: OK.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: to the detriment of other things, which is not the way to be real-life kids. ah
icarusruinslives: Original Warcraft, World of Warcraft, obviously, the MMO was amazing for its time.
Chris: yeah yeah vanilla wow
icarusruinslives: But wasn't... The problem with WoW is if you were into MMOs, it wasn't a very good m MMO. Right?
Chris: really
icarusruinslives: it was It was an MMO that got people into MMOs. and became huge and massive, but it really didn't add much to the genre when it came out, other than its massive popularity.
icarusruinslives: I think there are much better games out there, and I think the answer I'm going to give is going to be EverQuest,
Chris: that's a good one.
icarusruinslives: is because that's like the granddaddy of MMOs.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: That's the one that, if EverQuest doesn't happen, none of the other things on the list matter. And ultimately, it probably is not also deservedly of that.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: of that
Chris: Yeah. Ultima comes to my mind, but yeah.
icarusruinslives: I just don't think it could be WoW, and i I'm just, I'm sorry.
Chris: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
icarusruinslives: i know that that's the right answer, but I i have to stick to guns.
Chris: Yeah, no, I totally appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, Guild Wars, that's a newer one that's pretty good.
icarusruinslives: I don't really consider Guild Wars an MMO. i played it.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah, it's fine. I guess, you know, it just didn't hit that itch for me.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: um yeah and i've you know uh eso or you know it's fine
Chris: Yeah, I couldn't get into it.
icarusruinslives: yeah i'd say oh well it's like dungeons and dragons online i tried that just i couldn't get into it my problem with dungeon dragon online was they were trying to like shove loot boxes down my face and i was just like i can't i can't deal with this yeah
Chris: Oh yeah. That's not fun.
Chris: And yeah. We'll wrap it up with survival games.
icarusruinslives: Oh boy. Again, this is like my kick now.
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. Because I think of Rust.
icarusruinslives: Rust is really good.
icarusruinslives: Seven Days Die is really good.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: um
Chris: Daisy.
icarusruinslives: Daisy was fine until they really screwed it up.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'm currently playing the heck out of Icarus, which is a survival game.
Chris: Icarus.
Chris: Conan Exiles.
icarusruinslives: Conan Exiles is an amazing survival builder. Boy.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: For the survival side, I have to remove Rust from the list.
Chris: OK.
icarusruinslives: The environment doesn't do enough to force you to do things. so
Chris: Okay. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Sorry, Rust. You're off my list.
Chris: Oh, what was that ah newer one? Age of Eternium or whatever?
icarusruinslives: Age of Eternium.
Chris: or not Age of Eternium. New World something.
icarusruinslives: Oh, New World's not a survival game. It's a MO.
Chris: okay. Okay.
icarusruinslives: That's the Amazon MMO. Conan Exiles is really excellent. um Did an excellent job of not pushing DLC. there was just it was this commit It was all cosmetic, so you didn't have to get it.
icarusruinslives: I liked that.
icarusruinslives: Again, the survival side of it was a little weak.
icarusruinslives: I think I'm going to have to give it to seven days to die. And I'm playing a heck of Icarus and love Icarus a lot, but the again, there needs to be pressure from the environment, and seven days die hit that the most for me.
Chris: yeah didn't you play e okay what was that one i'm trying to think what was it called frost frost bunk i don't i don't know
icarusruinslives: Dancer's probably yes.
icarusruinslives: frostbunk does that count as a survival game o ah first off what a letdowns frostbunk 2 was i don't know that i've been more excited for a game and to be let down more by it than frostbunk 2.
Chris: really
Chris: ah
icarusruinslives: and i can't even really tell you why i'm let down it's ah Well, I can tell you why I'm let down. I can't put my finger on why the game lets me down.
Chris: Gotcha.
icarusruinslives: The reason I'm let down is because i just wanted more Frostbunk.
Chris: Oh, and they tried to make it new and exciting.
icarusruinslives: hey
icarusruinslives: It's just something different. And that something different didn't scratch the right itch, which...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's more on me. But, man, I love Frostbunk.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: If you want to talk about a game... that if you take it off the ball for a second, you're in trouble. Frostpunk's on that list.
Chris: Ooh.
icarusruinslives: um And I guess it is a survival game. Man, you really muddied the waters here.
Chris: That's me, the old water muddier.
icarusruinslives: I will say Frostpunk is a more polished and finished experience than Seven Days, which is nice. I do appreciate that. So I think I might have to go with Frostpunk. I really, really love that game.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: ah Seven days is great, but it's never felt finished or polished.
Chris: That's always frustrating when a game just always feels like it needs a little bit more.
icarusruinslives: Well, it was in alpha for like seven years.
Chris: yeah yeah can you really be an alpha for seven years though but that's nice
icarusruinslives: ah
icarusruinslives: Well, two to their credit, I think company's called Bad Pimps? Two Pimps? Something like that? I can't remember. updated the game regularly on alpha and when they said hey we're finally up into 1.0 release it they never charged you ever again for it so how that model makes money i don't understand because i think i bought that game in 2017 and haven't paid it for anything since let me look at my steam hours played it's not the game i played the most hours in um
Chris: oh
Chris: Wow.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: I used to tell you how many hours. I have played 1439 hours of 7 Days to Die.
Chris: Shoo.
icarusruinslives: You never got to ask me what my favorite strategy game is of the hex-based kind.
Chris: What is the X base kind?
icarusruinslives: yes That's hands-down Panzer Corps, which I have played 1500 hours of.
Chris: Ah, yes.
icarusruinslives: Oh, so what is your survival game? He didn't and answer. I went too far.
Chris: I did. i said Rust.
icarusruinslives: Did you? Oh, you said Rust.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: yeah
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: people really like raft it looks interesting sunken land looks interesting sunken land probably has the most pressure from ones i've seen yeah um
Chris: yeah
Chris: Oh, really? Yeah, probably the one I played the most was Conan Exiles.
icarusruinslives: i really like current exiles if you play current exiles on like the harder difficulties it is a very tough game to play which i really appreciate um
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: yeah yeah that's what i do oh
icarusruinslives: Yeah, I'm gonna still have to go out to Frostbunk because you really muddied the waters on me.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite RPG, JRPG, that's not Final Fantasy?
Chris: jrpg that's not final fantasy
icarusruinslives: I have an answer. But I don't know if counts.
Chris: um I mean, Dragon Quest is up there. Tales games are up there.
icarusruinslives: I'm not sure if this counts, but what does Dragon Quest VIII?
Chris: Yeah, i I'd have to say Dragon Quest VIII.
icarusruinslives: What do you count Resident Evil as?
Chris: Yeah.
Chris: That's a survival horror.
icarusruinslives: Is that survival horror?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: It's horror.
Chris: It's yeah.
icarusruinslives: I'll tell you, if we go to horror games, the game that has literally scared the crap out of me is Phasmophobia.
Chris: Oh yeah, no, no, no. but That is not a Chris game.
icarusruinslives: Boy, that game is...
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Don't play it in the dark. Don't play it alone.
Chris: Yeah. Well, I tried Resident Evil 7 in VR.
icarusruinslives: Yeah.
Chris: and vr
icarusruinslives: Oh.
Chris: yeah that was bad both of yeah no yeah
icarusruinslives: Well, Phasmophobia is also in VR.
icarusruinslives: ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's ah That's a rough one. That is a rough one.
icarusruinslives: Well, friends, try Frostpunk.
Chris: yeah yeah side tangent yeah
icarusruinslives: ah You know, here's another thing I want to say. There's a side tangent to this. And I'm throwing this out to my brother, who I love dearly. Maybe don't play survival games if you only want to play them on easy.
icarusruinslives: Maybe play them on at least normal.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Games should be a little challenging.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. I usually.
icarusruinslives: I had this conversation at the gym the other day. Working out should be challenging. It shouldn't be hard, but it should be challenging.
Chris: Right. Yeah. I mean, that's how you know you're doing something.
icarusruinslives: Right. Some games should be challenging. They don't have to be impossible.
Chris: now
icarusruinslives: Just challenging.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: And that's my PSA for today.
Chris: No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always try to start on at least normal.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Yeah, you know, i don't always do legendary anymore, but...
Chris: yeah I don't. Yeah. But I also don't start start right out on baby ass baby mode.
icarusruinslives: I don't start out on Baby Ass Maybe Boom. That's the thing that Wolfenstein, you know, got right.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Yeah. Oh, I have one other side tangent for everyone.
Chris: Okay.
icarusruinslives: ah We are now officially in the time of the year where all my wife does is bitch about how cool it is in the house.
Chris: So it's the eternal struggle of when to turn on the furnace.
icarusruinslives: And i have told her December the thirty first
Chris: who
icarusruinslives: I think we'll make it to October of the 18th.
Chris: Folks are recording on the 17th.
icarusruinslives: That is correct. Yeah.
Chris: Yeah. When I came down this morning, it was 64 in the house.
icarusruinslives: Sounds perfect.
Chris: Yeah, I was fine.
icarusruinslives: Put a little hoodie on have a cup of tea.
Chris: yeah yeah
icarusruinslives: but else you need in life?
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Cause when it's nice and cold like that, your body is like, it's cold. I must hibernate. So you get that really deep rejuvenating sleep.
icarusruinslives: hu
Chris: Plus I was chock full of NyQuil last night.
icarusruinslives: ah Yeah, you were sick.
Chris: Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Well, think we've casted the pod.
Chris: Yeah. Yeah. Folks. Yeah. Take care of yourselves. Make sure to follow us on Twitter. Yeah.
icarusruinslives: Enjoy a nice cuppa.
Chris: And, uh, and,
icarusruinslives: Go play Frostmunk.
Chris: yeah Go try it out.
icarusruinslives: Oh, and if you need something to ruin your life, try EVE Online.
Chris: Yeah, that doesn't sound fun.
icarusruinslives: oh my god i tried that try to wrap up i gotta once i my buddy played that game and he's like you should play it with you'll love it i played that game and he's like and he he was like all right this is what you do and i started research and he's like oh yeah that's that's real time days and i was like well what tell me this research won't be done for 12 days in real life he's like yeah so cool i'll be back in two weeks and then i never played the game again yeah
Chris: Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me check the game and I'll be back.
icarusruinslives: Yep.
Chris: Yeah. No.
icarusruinslives: All right.
Chris: Take care, folks.
icarusruinslives: you, folks.
