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Club sandwiches and Game genres
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Welcome back! This week, after the rigamarole, Ron has a problem with restaurants and club sandwiches, and Chris runs us through various game genres. As always, please like, subscribe, and share with your friends. Come join the discussions on the Discord Channel (https://discord.gg/TbxA7gcUky) and follow us on Twitter, @cltruitt22. Thanks and take care!
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00:00:06
Chris
Welcome
Introduction to Mythic Giraffe Podcast
00:00:07
Chris
back to another episode of the Mythic Giraffe podcast. I'm Chris.
00:00:10
icarusruinslives
And I'm Ron, sneakily getting a nice tea. Turn the intro.
00:00:12
Chris
Sneakily. Yeah.
Fire Department Kitchen Equipment Debate
00:00:18
Chris
So before the podcast started recording, we were talking about kitchen projects and stuff and don't know.
00:00:27
Chris
I don't know of a ton of fire departments that have these giant commercial ranges and I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't, Aren't you supposed to like preheat those first thing in the morning?
00:00:40
icarusruinslives
I am not a professional kitchen worker. I'm going to point that out. As far as I know, you are supposed to preheat them in the morning.
00:00:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:00:50
Chris
Yeah.
00:00:50
icarusruinslives
And when that particular project conversation was had, I said, guys, the reason they have problems with these ovens is because we are not a commercial kitchen. They are meant for commercial kitchens. What you want is a residential kitchen with a larger range.
00:01:04
Chris
Yeah.
00:01:05
icarusruinslives
That's what you want because they're meant to be in houses.
00:01:07
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Cause the other day I don't know, it was one those like behind the scenes things. And it was, don't know, one of Bobby Flay's shows, but like the people are out there cooking, like on the stage kitchen and whatever. And he's like, here, you know, I'll show you that, you know, our refrigerator and, you know, the prep area and everything.
00:01:28
Chris
Yeah. It's got a bunch of counters and this and that. He's like, yeah, gonna cook a couple of hamburgers. He goes to this old beat up residential stove. That's like the knobs almost coming off and everything. And that's what they used to cook for themselves.
00:01:41
icarusruinslives
Yeah, of course.
00:01:42
Chris
Yeah.
00:01:43
icarusruinslives
Yeah, yeah. I, I said, I, I had this argument with my colleagues.
00:01:47
Chris
Yeah.
00:01:51
icarusruinslives
I was obviously not, um, consulted guess my opinion didn't matter.
00:01:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:01:57
icarusruinslives
And my, my argument to them was guys, there's only six people who work here. People who live in real houses have these size kitchens for six people.
00:02:02
Chris
yeah
00:02:06
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:07
icarusruinslives
Like,
00:02:09
Chris
There are some of the people that work with you that six people live in their house.
00:02:14
icarusruinslives
And then have the conversation with them and say, well, we got a future proof. Well, I don't know what future proofing you think is going to happen, but that station is going to be the same staffing as it is right now.
00:02:20
Chris
from
00:02:26
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:27
icarusruinslives
Prill the building, get locked down.
00:02:27
Chris
We can't, yeah, we can't really add anything.
00:02:28
icarusruinslives
Sweet.
00:02:33
Chris
I mean, we are adding bunk beds.
00:02:36
icarusruinslives
ah
00:02:39
Chris
yeah Yeah, I sent it on a timer that chiefs directive should come out in about 10 minutes.
00:02:46
icarusruinslives
ah Yeah, yeah's and you have the conversation like, even if but unlimited money, the city says, oh, you can add the people you need.
00:02:53
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:55
icarusruinslives
We can only add at most two people.
00:02:57
Chris
Right.
00:02:58
icarusruinslives
And one of those people is sleeping in a cot in the engine bay.
00:03:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:03
icarusruinslives
Our station, unfortunately, has ah many fire stations in the country, was not built to house career staff.
00:03:12
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:13
icarusruinslives
It was built in a time when that wasn't a thing.
00:03:17
Chris
Yeah. And despite their quote unquote efforts to update it, it was not updated the right way.
00:03:28
icarusruinslives
No, yeah, no, it was, well, again,
00:03:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:31
icarusruinslives
It was updated at a time when volunteerism was still a thing and that was important to the city.
00:03:36
Chris
Yeah.
Fire Equipment and Gear: Practicality vs. Aesthetics
00:03:40
icarusruinslives
I'm not saying that I'm not getting involved in the conversation of whether it's right or wrong or different. I'm just saying that's what happened.
00:03:44
Chris
Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:03:47
icarusruinslives
And, you know, you just have to accept that the building is what it is and will be what it is until it's knocked down.
00:03:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:03:56
icarusruinslives
And it's not going to get knocked down for good long while.
00:04:03
icarusruinslives
You know, it's funny, we we had the ah we had that rep for the hose company out there the other day.
00:04:08
Chris
<unk> here
00:04:10
icarusruinslives
And he's like, well, ah you know, you guys just, you have all those Mercedes hoses. I don't really like Mercedes hoses. You should probably go with our our hose. and I said, well, bud, the hose that that hose replaced, they they bought in 2004. So come back and see us in 2040. And we'll talk.
00:04:24
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:24
icarusruinslives
and
00:04:26
Chris
Does the hose go, does the water go differently through these hoses?
00:04:33
icarusruinslives
ah don't get me started on the seemingly endless cycle of I found the better way to do the job and i I don't want to be like discouraging people from trying new things right like obviously we should be trying to improve our job and yes small things can make a big difference for us
00:04:35
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:44
Chris
Yeah.
00:04:50
Chris
Right.
00:05:01
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:01
icarusruinslives
But boy, people don't understand like cost and investment.
00:05:07
Chris
No. Yeah.
00:05:10
icarusruinslives
If this hose is 2% better but costs us 60% more, it's not worth it.
00:05:10
Chris
Well, it's like
00:05:16
Chris
Right. Yeah. It's like they were talking about these new nozzles. I was like, does the water come out a different way? Like, oh yeah, it comes out like like a straight thing. was like, okay.
00:05:29
Chris
like, yeah, and the smoothbore's different too. I was like, how is a smoothbore different? It's a square hole. What? Yeah. Yeah. no
00:05:42
icarusruinslives
yeah that's you don't ever want to be the dinosaur right like that is the hardest part of our time frame now is you don't want to be like oh um i just hate things i don't want to see improvement for the sake of improvement i want to see improvement for the sake of safety for
00:05:50
Chris
yeah yeah
00:05:56
Chris
Right.
00:06:03
Chris
Right. Yeah. For ease of work for, yeah, the job safety for, you know, maximizing the effort put forth.
00:06:12
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I mean, I was... I'm not happy with what I heard about the low-flow nozzles that we got, because turns out that the hose that we got does not actually match those hosels.
00:06:26
icarusruinslives
Personally, there might be a fix for it, but I was all about that, because if we get the same gallons per minute, this is really inside baseball, people, um but make it easier for our nozzle people, because let's be very honest, the fire service is now...
00:06:33
Chris
Yeah.
00:06:42
icarusruinslives
Younger kids who are seemingly less than meathead jocks or women, right?
00:06:49
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:55
icarusruinslives
There's a higher percentage of female firefighters in the Salisbury Fire Department than there has ever been, right?
00:06:59
Chris
You're right.
00:07:00
icarusruinslives
So if we can make our nozzles do the same job, but be more efficient and easier for them, I'm on board, right?
00:07:06
Chris
Yeah, absolutely.
00:07:08
icarusruinslives
If our nozzles just make us a stupid different pattern, I'm not on board.
00:07:15
icarusruinslives
i went off on them about the helmet front project.
00:07:20
Chris
Oh, my gosh.
00:07:22
icarusruinslives
And they're like, i don't I don't understand why you're so upset about me. Because it's not change for the better. It's just change to change.
00:07:30
Chris
yep
00:07:30
icarusruinslives
You want to put... i've laid into one of the sergeants on A-Shift about it. I said, you want to put that big SFD on a Union shirt?
00:07:36
Chris
Yeah.
00:07:39
icarusruinslives
Cool. Cool.
00:07:40
Chris
Yeah.
00:07:41
icarusruinslives
For the last 21 years of my career, it has said Salisbury on the back of my gear. Not SFD, Salisbury.
00:07:46
Chris
Yeah.
00:07:49
icarusruinslives
There's some tradition there that doesn't need to change. right if If you said, oh, this Scotch-Brite is was more visible and changes how are we find firefighters and fires, that's a think change I'm on board.
00:08:00
Chris
yeah
00:08:03
Chris
yeah
00:08:03
icarusruinslives
um'm not a I don't like that.
00:08:05
Chris
I was going to be covered up by the pack anyway.
00:08:07
icarusruinslives
Right, well, it's true, too. But I'm not on board with the, I'm not happy about going to Black Gear. I understand we're going to it for reasons that are out of our control. But that's not change.
00:08:18
icarusruinslives
that That change has to happen, right?
00:08:19
Chris
Yeah.
00:08:20
icarusruinslives
That's just something that has to happen.
00:08:22
Chris
Right.
00:08:23
icarusruinslives
I don't understand changing our helmet fronts because they look cool.
00:08:27
Chris
Oh, I don't think I hate the Boston fronts.
00:08:30
icarusruinslives
I think they look stupid. I think they look like a regular front got smushed.
00:08:32
Chris
Yeah. Exactly. Which is glad I'm glad i won't have to wear one.
00:08:39
icarusruinslives
Do I have to wear one?
00:08:41
Chris
Yeah. ah
00:08:45
icarusruinslives
Do I have to?
00:08:46
Chris
No, I don't think you'll have to.
00:08:50
icarusruinslives
but what And this. and i told this
00:08:51
Chris
what's it i I brought it up. I was like, look, if I was still on the floor and this was the if you said, yeah, this is what we were supplying you. And I said, OK, cool. Can I spend the 50 bucks or whatever to get my own New York front?
00:09:05
Chris
I would because I think it looks stupid.
00:09:08
icarusruinslives
Well, you know, here's, and this is just dumb, round whismore thing. But I thought the front that I have right now, barring something happening to my lid, was the the front that they were going to hand me the day I retire.
00:09:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:09:22
Chris
Right.
00:09:23
icarusruinslives
And that meant something to me.
00:09:24
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:25
icarusruinslives
So I don't want it to be replaced just to replace it.
00:09:27
Chris
Yeah. No.
00:09:30
icarusruinslives
ah You know, maybe that's bad of me, but that's just my...
00:09:33
Chris
now I don't think so.
00:09:36
icarusruinslives
It's just a sentimental thing that I want. That's my front.
00:09:39
Chris
Well, they haven't even ordered the fronts yet because the guy keeps giving them the runaround.
00:09:45
icarusruinslives
but good dis guy
00:09:46
Chris
i just, yeah.
00:09:49
icarusruinslives
i ah What's the cost of that? That's that's my. but
00:09:53
Chris
They're cheaper, evidently. Oh,
00:09:55
icarusruinslives
Right, but to replace all the ones we have now. Why replace
00:09:58
Chris
don't even.
00:10:01
icarusruinslives
Our fronts don't, it doesn't affect any safety, doesn't increase visibility, doesn't change anything.
00:10:04
Chris
Nope.
00:10:07
Chris
Right. Yeah, it should definitely be a moving forward. This is what we get, if that's the decision they want to make.
00:10:12
icarusruinslives
Sure.
00:10:14
icarusruinslives
Yeah, if they're cheaper, and that's a financial reason to going forward, but they're not cheaper to replace the ones we have, because they're not a piece of safety equipment.
00:10:20
Chris
No.
00:10:22
icarusruinslives
They don't have an expiration date.
00:10:23
Chris
Right. Yeah.
00:10:24
icarusruinslives
Really? It's...
00:10:26
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:30
icarusruinslives
Fire Department.
00:10:31
Chris
yeah
00:10:33
icarusruinslives
I find myself like the the longer it goes, the more I get annoyed by these things.
00:10:40
Chris
Yeah, yeah.
00:10:43
icarusruinslives
And that seems because I feel like when when we were coming up, when we had conversations with our bosses, it was like, hey, we want to do this because we think so it can improve things.
00:10:53
Chris
Yeah.
00:10:54
icarusruinslives
Right, like we want to change.
00:10:55
Chris
Right.
00:10:58
icarusruinslives
but It's like the C-Shift conversation. C-Shift said, hey, I think we could do this to make the deuce and a half easier to pull. Cool, great conversation.
00:11:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:06
icarusruinslives
I'm
Dinosaurs and Misconceptions
00:11:07
icarusruinslives
all aboard.
00:11:07
Chris
Yep. Yeah.
00:11:08
icarusruinslives
you know If it makes it even 1% easier for somebody somebody to pull, I'm on board.
00:11:13
Chris
Yep.
00:11:13
icarusruinslives
right That's a conversation I'm own um'm all for. conversation of, wow, we want to change the way our lettering on our gear is. Why are you even wasting your time?
00:11:24
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:26
icarusruinslives
<unk>
00:11:28
icarusruinslives
People have to worry about the the wrong shit in our job. And you know what it all comes down to?
00:11:31
Chris
Yeah.
00:11:33
icarusruinslives
and It always has an always will in the fire service. will put this out in every everyone, every fire department in the country, in the world probably. When you aren't running fires, you got too much damn time on your hand to think about stupid shit.
00:11:45
Chris
yep yeah yeah yeah
00:11:46
icarusruinslives
When you're running fires, you don't gripe, you don't, You don't do any of this crap. Let's go to fires. Sometimes you go to the wrong city for the fire.
00:11:56
Chris
blame yeah yeah
00:11:56
icarusruinslives
Sometimes.
00:11:58
Chris
yeah
00:11:58
icarusruinslives
Sometimes.
00:11:59
Chris
yeah
00:12:00
icarusruinslives
I was not a happy camper.
00:12:02
Chris
ah that's don't blame you
00:12:05
icarusruinslives
And I just kept saying, someone asked them where the call is pinging from. And everybody's talking about everything.
00:12:09
Chris
yeah
00:12:10
icarusruinslives
They're bothering the poor man whose house has been, but we've been dispatched to wrongly. He's who was in the shower.
00:12:16
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah, i heard it.
00:12:19
icarusruinslives
They keep going up to him going, well, why did they dispatch it here?
00:12:19
Chris
He was...
00:12:22
icarusruinslives
He's like, I don't fucking, what are you talking, what are you talking to?
00:12:27
Chris
I did not call. It did not originate here. Thank you.
00:12:30
icarusruinslives
Great.
00:12:30
Chris
Good day. Let me get back to my, you know Calgon bath.
00:12:31
icarusruinslives
Great.
00:12:34
icarusruinslives
and the End of conversation. It's 10 o'clock at night and I'm showering. What are you guys bothering me for?
00:12:39
Chris
Yeah. Hmm.
00:12:42
icarusruinslives
But the they don't make mistakes and they're just as close to accreditation.
00:12:42
Chris
Hmm. Hmm.
00:12:46
Chris
ah uh we're talking today it seems like ever since we had that chat with them they've been worse so whatever
00:12:55
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:12:58
icarusruinslives
Well, I think, and this is unfortunate, I think we've had some really big calls since then that they have made big mistakes on.
00:13:05
Chris
yeah yeah
00:13:08
icarusruinslives
And that chat just is fuel and fodder for their mistakes. Right? Like when you come in say, we don't make mistakes, and then you make
00:13:17
Chris
Right.
00:13:18
icarusruinslives
so some pretty gigantic mistakes.
00:13:21
Chris
Yeah.
00:13:21
icarusruinslives
It's not the best.
00:13:24
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:25
icarusruinslives
Doesn't look good, at least.
00:13:27
Chris
No, no.
00:13:28
icarusruinslives
No, no, no, that's going to be my topic.
00:13:29
Chris
Oh, I'm supposed to ask you about club sandwiches.
00:13:33
Chris
Oh, OK.
00:13:34
icarusruinslives
We're not ready for that, sir.
00:13:35
Chris
OK.
00:13:36
icarusruinslives
Keep that in the bag.
00:13:37
Chris
Pardon me.
00:13:38
icarusruinslives
that Let me tell you, that's going to be a rant.
00:13:41
Chris
Nice. So earlier you're talking about, you know, you don't want to become the dinosaur. So did dinosaurs exist?
00:13:51
icarusruinslives
Oh, boy.
00:13:52
Chris
Cause I got, I gotten a, I didn't really get into it because I just was dumbfounded when someone I hold near and dear said, i don't really believe that dinosaurs were a thing.
00:14:02
icarusruinslives
um boy
00:14:05
Chris
There's probably just some big bird skeletons cause they've never really found a full skeleton to put it all together. And yeah, it's just not, no, I was dumbfounded.
00:14:20
icarusruinslives
So, ah you know what? I'm going to defend this person.
00:14:24
Chris
Oh, gosh.
00:14:24
icarusruinslives
I'm going to go out my way to defend this person. I'm going to play devil advocate before for one hot second.
00:14:27
Chris
OK. Yeah.
00:14:29
icarusruinslives
So, obviously, of of probably most people you know, have a more history-leaning bent to their brain.
00:14:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:14:39
icarusruinslives
And so i I read a lot of stuff about archaeology and anthropology. I'm very interested in pre-historical peoples.
00:14:51
icarusruinslives
And I will say that anthropologists and archaeologists make a lot of fill in the blanks.
00:14:59
Chris
Yes. Yeah, we'll give you that.
00:15:00
icarusruinslives
To say that dinosaurs didn't exist is a crazy conversation.
00:15:03
Chris
Right.
00:15:03
icarusruinslives
Because obviously we didn't find a bird with a 12-foot head with a three-inch body.
00:15:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:15:10
icarusruinslives
like
00:15:11
Chris
Yeah.
00:15:11
icarusruinslives
It didn't happen. I think what problem the people have with dinosaurs they don't understand the scale of time.
00:15:19
Chris
Yeah.
00:15:20
icarusruinslives
I think that's our, I think, is a you it's almost unimaginable time scale, right?
00:15:24
Chris
I mean, well, the Earth is only what three, four thousand years old.
00:15:28
icarusruinslives
Oh God.
00:15:33
Chris
yeah
00:15:33
icarusruinslives
Right.
00:15:34
Chris
yeah yeah yeah hundreds of millions
00:15:34
icarusruinslives
But it's real hard to understand, like, no, the planet Earth, millions of years ago, like, everything that's human, was millions of years after the dinosaurs like like we are the scale of time you can barely see an inch between us and the first humans right like we haven't even ticked that many years we're what a hundred thousand years as a species or something like that you know some of these dinosaur species lasted for millions of years
00:15:58
Chris
yeah
00:16:04
Chris
Right.
00:16:12
Chris
Yeah, yeah, tens of millions.
00:16:14
icarusruinslives
Yeah, like, just the scale of time is so crazy. And, to be fair to that person, though, it is very hard to find intact skeletal remains of anything.
00:16:29
Chris
Yes.
00:16:29
icarusruinslives
Right? Like, wait we have, like, I think the oldest mummified corpse is, like, what, Cheddar Man or whatever from 10,000 years ago or something.
00:16:40
icarusruinslives
Right?
00:16:40
Chris
yeah yeah
00:16:43
icarusruinslives
add millions on top of that. You're not finding skin. You're not finding mostly intact bones. And I think they have found intact...
00:16:52
Chris
they have no they did find a full t-rex skeleton i want to say
00:16:53
icarusruinslives
I think it's never been a Tyrannosaurus Rex, right? I think all the T-Rex...
00:16:58
icarusruinslives
Oh, I thought all the T-Rexes were partial. I thought the one in Chicago was like the most complete one they've ever found. But still, it's not like it's... it's Even if it's 80% correct, you're like, well, that's not a parrot.
00:17:15
icarusruinslives
like
00:17:15
Chris
yeah yeah yeah
00:17:19
icarusruinslives
It's just the scale of time is is crazy to people.
00:17:24
Chris
yeah yeah sue the tyrannosaurus rex 90 of the total bones were found together yeah yeah yeah
00:17:32
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I think it's the most complete T-Rex I've ever found.
00:17:37
icarusruinslives
But 90% is pretty good. percent's pretty good you know and if you find 90 of sue and this is what they do they find 90 of sue and then they find 30 of a different one but that covers the 10 that's missing on sue and hasn't you know that's how you compare and figure out what you're missing it's not like they make it up it's not a jigsaw puzzle and they're like oh we can put this any way that we want yeah they do like
00:17:49
Chris
Yeah.
00:17:51
Chris
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:58
Chris
Right.
00:18:01
Chris
Yeah. And it was, what was the comment? It was something about, oh, it was some kind of animal skull. It was like, have you ever seen such a such skull? I mean, the actual animal looks totally different than what the skull looks like. I'm like, yes.
00:18:18
icarusruinslives
You also look really different than what your skull looks like.
00:18:19
Chris
But again, that.
00:18:21
icarusruinslives
What is wrong with you?
00:18:22
Chris
Yeah, but that just the teeth alone.
00:18:26
icarusruinslives
Right.
00:18:27
Chris
yeah
00:18:28
icarusruinslives
And that the skull looks different, but the bone structure is still there.
00:18:35
Chris
Yeah. It all started because my daughter, my oldest, the college child said, do you think the dinosaurs breastfed? Is that why T-Rex had little arms to make sure the baby could hold right there?
00:18:47
Chris
ah I said, well, they were birds and lizards, so no they did not breastfeed. And then it was, well, if you actually believe that they existed, and i was just, but what?
00:19:01
Chris
Yeah.
00:19:02
icarusruinslives
That's a hard way to come back from.
00:19:03
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. But, but I asked my, I was like, what do you, what do you mean? know, why would a bird breastfeed? She's like, well, they do. i was like, well, they don't drink milk. She yes, they do.
00:19:14
icarusruinslives
They don't create milk.
00:19:14
Chris
said, I said, no.
00:19:15
icarusruinslives
That's one of the defining features of being a bird.
00:19:17
Chris
She said, well, the mama bird chews up the worm and it turns to milk and that's how the baby gets fed. I was like, it's not how that works. Please go back to college. Oh, God.
00:19:28
icarusruinslives
into milk?
00:19:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:19:31
icarusruinslives
What they teach to these kids?
00:19:31
Chris
I was like, keep, well, she's studying, yeah, music education. Definitely not, you know, paleontology or mammology.
00:19:37
icarusruinslives
It's fair. It's fair.
00:19:42
Chris
Golly day. Hmm.
00:19:44
icarusruinslives
I, I like most kids. Paleontology was what I want. I mean, we are the age group that paleontology was like the coolest job of all time. Right.
00:19:53
Chris
Oh, yeah.
00:19:54
icarusruinslives
Cause when I was a kid and I'm sure you were the same way we had like the big book of dinosaurs encyclopedia
00:20:00
Chris
Yep.
00:20:01
icarusruinslives
We all had. We had the little models you put together with the little ah little pieces of wood, the MDF board models.
00:20:04
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:08
icarusruinslives
And then Jurassic Park hit like when we were...
00:20:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:20:12
icarusruinslives
The book came out i was 10? and The movie was like 93?
00:20:14
Chris
Yeah, 93.
00:20:19
icarusruinslives
So was like 13? Is that right?
00:20:20
Chris
Yeah. ninety three yeah
00:20:22
icarusruinslives
don't remember that's good.
00:20:22
Chris
Yeah, we were 14 years old. Yeah.
00:20:25
icarusruinslives
Yeah. It's like we were the perfect...
00:20:28
Chris
yeah
00:20:30
icarusruinslives
crop to be a you know paleontologists.
00:20:31
Chris
Yeah. yeah
00:20:33
icarusruinslives
And then I got to college and I was like, oh, they don't make money.
00:20:35
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, because I applied to University of Montana.
00:20:40
icarusruinslives
Oh.
00:20:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:20:41
icarusruinslives
I'm going to find the raptors.
00:20:43
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:20:46
icarusruinslives
I did the archaeology route for a little bit until I realized that, boy, they really don't make money.
00:20:49
Chris
yeah
00:20:53
Chris
Unless you're Indiana Jones.
00:20:55
icarusruinslives
Unless you're an Anjan somehow.
00:20:57
Chris
Yeah.
00:20:58
icarusruinslives
Not sure how he made the money, but No, I mean, I literally,
00:21:00
Chris
They found those relics and sold them to the museum.
00:21:04
icarusruinslives
I was asked to go on a dig to Egypt.
00:21:07
Chris
Ooh.
00:21:07
icarusruinslives
And when they ask you to go on this dig, you're like, oh, cool. And then they say, it's going to cost you $15,000 to $20,000. And you go, I'm a college student who works at a bagel shop. I don't have $15,000 to $20,000 to go to.
00:21:23
Chris
Yeah.
00:21:24
icarusruinslives
Where would I cough up that money?
00:21:25
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:27
icarusruinslives
And the professor said,
00:21:27
Chris
Oh, no, no. Good, sir. I thought you said you were going to pay 15 to $20,000. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:31
icarusruinslives
Well, right. I was assuming that the university would cover the costs.
00:21:35
Chris
yeah
00:21:36
icarusruinslives
and Whatever. I don't make any money. It's a school internship or something, right? Because the here's the scam, right?
00:21:39
Chris
right yeah yeah yeah
00:21:43
icarusruinslives
The professor works for the university. He has tenure and teaches classes on Egyptology.
00:21:51
icarusruinslives
he goes to like i can't i shouldn't mention the specific area in egypt he goes because you know what identify him he goes there with a bunch of university students that he has pay for the privilege to go there then he publishes research the university gets grant money he makes money off his book students get screwed
00:21:51
Chris
yeah
00:21:57
Chris
yeah
00:22:12
Chris
yeah yeah it sounds like students get screwed yeah yeah that was fun resume builder
00:22:13
icarusruinslives
ah Yeah. You get to cool, I did a dig in Egypt. That was awesome for a summer and I took out a bunch of debt to do it.
00:22:26
icarusruinslives
Yeah, to come get a job. but Unfortunately, you and I were the last generation of people that could have just like gone into academia because now it's almost impossible.
00:22:38
Chris
Yeah.
00:22:38
icarusruinslives
Yeah. I feel so bad for college kids these days.
Future of Fire Services and Nostalgia for Movies
00:22:42
Chris
Oh, yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:22:44
icarusruinslives
I don't know what they're... don't know what they're all going to do.
00:22:48
Chris
Yeah.
00:22:48
icarusruinslives
really worry about them.
00:22:49
Chris
Yeah.
00:22:51
icarusruinslives
I don't know what...
00:22:51
Chris
yeah
00:22:53
icarusruinslives
talk about it all the time. I don't know what the fire department is going to like in 10 years. you know And I'm going to need it in 10 years. like
00:23:04
icarusruinslives
like i Yeah, I'm not going to work in the fire department, but I'm going to be of the age where start using the fire department services and...
00:23:04
Chris
Yes, say I will not be working at the fire department in 10 years.
00:23:13
Chris
Yeah.
00:23:14
icarusruinslives
What hell's going to look like? You know. i
00:23:18
Chris
Drones.
00:23:21
icarusruinslives
Yeah. You just, like, load yourself up in the ambulance and the robots take you.
00:23:25
Chris
Yeah.
00:23:26
icarusruinslives
That's
00:23:27
Chris
It's just everybody has a vacuum tube.
00:23:30
icarusruinslives
a lot of vacuum tubes.
00:23:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:23:33
icarusruinslives
Well, considering they're closing hospitals at an astounding rate, i don't know how that's going to work.
00:23:38
Chris
I didn't say you're going to a hospital.
00:23:40
icarusruinslives
Oh.
00:23:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:23:41
icarusruinslives
Right to the morgue.
00:23:42
Chris
Yeah. yeah
00:23:46
Chris
Yeah. They'll just, yeah, they'll send you in a vacuum tube. They'll scan you. And depending, they'll either send you to a convalescent home or send you right to the morgue.
00:23:57
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I'm not in for that.
00:23:58
Chris
No, no, no. It doesn't sound fun.
00:23:59
icarusruinslives
and No, no. Someone's been to the rehab facilities. I'm not in for that.
00:24:04
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. side tangent don't know why it made me think of this i i watched the newer total recall movie the other day the one with colin farrell it had nothing to do with mars yeah it was all about there's a colony or that like you know humanity all that's left is in said like the
00:24:07
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Thank God.
00:24:16
icarusruinslives
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:24:20
icarusruinslives
What?
00:24:23
icarusruinslives
What?
00:24:35
Chris
greater britain foundation or something it's like all of western europe and then the colony which is australia and there's a pipeline tube that connects the two and they go back and forth to work through this giant tube through the middle of the earth and yeah it still had the recall and all that but nothing about mars it was yeah
00:25:02
icarusruinslives
What?
00:25:03
Chris
weird yeah I was like what no yeah there are a lot of robots yeah it was just yeah yeah
00:25:13
icarusruinslives
um
00:25:16
icarusruinslives
i am...
00:25:20
icarusruinslives
I'm kind of blown away, i guess.
00:25:21
Chris
yeah
00:25:22
icarusruinslives
It's one of those things where we're going to find out, and I'm sure if we looked it up we would, that like this is closer to the original story.
00:25:30
Chris
yeah
00:25:31
icarusruinslives
the movie the original movie was a farce there was nothing like the story
00:25:34
Chris
Right. That's like how the new running man is supposed to be. Yeah.
00:25:37
icarusruinslives
right i don't i like dynamo yeah it's a great movie it was such a great time for movies like you just and maybe i'm and i probably am
00:25:41
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Buzzsaw.
00:25:47
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:25:57
icarusruinslives
I'm totally, you know, misremembering. And I was not aware of that world where like people are like, I hate these schlocky action movies.
00:26:07
icarusruinslives
But it feels like everybody was on board for just schlocky, totally unrealistic action movies.
00:26:09
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:14
Chris
Yep.
00:26:15
icarusruinslives
And that was, there was no internet. Maybe there were, maybe they had like public forums where people went and complained about shit, but I don't know.
00:26:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:26:25
Chris
ah On Tuesday nights, we talk about the cinema. On Wednesday nights.
00:26:28
icarusruinslives
Right, right. Tuesday night's topic, complaining about the Predator and the unrealistic abilities of the aliens. like
00:26:35
Chris
Oh, my gosh.
00:26:37
icarusruinslives
pretty it's just
00:26:38
Chris
I'd love to be a fly on the wall for that.
00:26:40
icarusruinslives
It was so great to just enjoy movies.
00:26:44
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:46
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I finally got like ah sad, painted news for myself.
00:26:50
Chris
Oh, no.
00:26:50
icarusruinslives
the only The only movies I go to anymore... The only movies I pay to see in a theater are old movies.
00:26:57
Chris
and Okay.
00:26:57
icarusruinslives
like and
00:26:57
Chris
Hmm.
00:26:57
icarusruinslives
There's this charity called Movies on Tap in Delaware and they show like they have a They rent out a theater, one of the movie theaters, and they show, like every Christmas, they show Christmas Vacation, and they show, what's the last one we went to? Oh, Animal House.
00:27:12
Chris
Okay.
00:27:12
icarusruinslives
And i have they like team up with a local brewery, and they have a local charity every week, and you feel good, and you get to watch a movie on the big screen.
00:27:20
Chris
Yeah.
00:27:20
icarusruinslives
You're really just watching a DVD projected on a big screen, but whatever.
00:27:23
Chris
ah yeah That's fine.
00:27:24
icarusruinslives
It's a fine event. They're They're closing.
00:27:27
Chris
What? Huh.
00:27:28
icarusruinslives
And like their last one's going to be this is December and I don't know why. It's sad.
00:27:34
Chris
I think you and your wife should keep it open.
00:27:37
icarusruinslives
Well, and I think it's because the theater is doing so poorly.
00:27:42
Chris
oh
00:27:44
icarusruinslives
Because out like in this time that we've been going to the charity, this theater went from being a newer theater to it's you can tell it's run down. They're not keeping up on maintenance. And I just don't know that theaters can keep up anymore.
00:27:57
Chris
Yeah. but I mean, the fire department has a large training room. We could.
00:28:03
icarusruinslives
It's fair. It's fair.
00:28:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:28:06
icarusruinslives
It's just ah kind of sad to see that like that kind of charity can exist.
00:28:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:28:12
icarusruinslives
But it also has been something that we've been saying that movie theaters are dead.
00:28:16
Chris
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:19
icarusruinslives
Like, your kids don't care about movies at all, right?
00:28:23
Chris
My youngest doesn't. My oldest, she enjoys the movies.
00:28:26
icarusruinslives
Yeah?
00:28:27
Chris
But I think it's because my wife enjoys the movie so much, and I think that's a corruption she's passed down.
00:28:33
icarusruinslives
Right. But then, like, your kids' kids won't even know what a movie theater is, probably.
00:28:38
Chris
oh so Watch it on their glasses or something.
00:28:42
icarusruinslives
Right. Like your kids' kids will be like, why are these empty space buildings? what What is this crap?
00:28:47
Chris
Yeah.
00:28:48
icarusruinslives
This could be 33,000 apartments. What are you guys doing?
00:28:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:28:55
icarusruinslives
Yes, side change of that.
00:28:56
Chris
Yeah. like go I go home to sleep in my tube and yeah.
00:29:00
icarusruinslives
yeah Side change of that, we have a...
00:29:05
icarusruinslives
If you're not following what's going on in U.S. healthcare, you're a crazy person, but... A company came in and bought three hospitals local to us.
00:29:13
Chris
Oof.
00:29:13
icarusruinslives
Not in Delaware, but over the PA line.
00:29:15
Chris
Yeah.
00:29:16
icarusruinslives
Couldn't turn them into profitable. Basically, they were trying to sell them off. They bought them, hoping to sell them off and make money.
00:29:23
Chris
Is this a new thing? You're not house flipping, you're hospital flipping?
00:29:26
icarusruinslives
Pretty much seems like.
00:29:27
Chris
Huh.
00:29:28
icarusruinslives
So like all the hospitals are closed.
00:29:31
Chris
Yeah.
00:29:31
icarusruinslives
And i saw a thing in an article the other the day, and they're like, we're trying to have the the hospitals rezoned so that we can sell the land.
00:29:40
Chris
What?
00:29:41
icarusruinslives
Who the hell, what what are you going to do with those buildings?
00:29:44
Chris
Oh my gosh.
00:29:45
icarusruinslives
What possible use? And now I just thought about
00:29:48
Chris
Thunderdome.
00:29:49
icarusruinslives
The only thing you could do with a hospital is turn it into an apartment building.
00:29:54
Chris
here Yeah.
00:29:56
icarusruinslives
I mean, you could put real doors on those and turn those into apartments.
00:30:00
Chris
I guess, yeah.
00:30:02
icarusruinslives
Right? Like, they don't have to be super fancy. They could be low-income apartments. Bam. I just solved the housing crisis in this area.
00:30:06
Chris
Yeah.
00:30:10
Chris
We know that you've got the diabetes, but and instead of having a place you can get taken care of, here's an apartment.
00:30:17
icarusruinslives
Look, the hospital closed either way. i can't help that part.
The Club Sandwich Debate
00:30:20
Chris
Yeah.
00:30:20
icarusruinslives
I can't fix that side. Yeah.
00:30:23
Chris
Mm-mm.
00:30:23
icarusruinslives
I mean, look, we're all about a year out from facing no health care in the United States anyway, so...
00:30:28
Chris
yeah yeah no no yeah
00:30:29
icarusruinslives
I really hope you guys enjoyed the ride of ambulances coming to your house, because I don't think that's going to last much longer.
00:30:38
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:30:41
icarusruinslives
Well, ready to move on to topic one?
00:30:43
Chris
sure topic one okay
00:30:45
icarusruinslives
All right. So, this happened twice. I can't believe this happened twice. It's... Almost unfathomable to me that this happened twice. So the wife and I, for our anniversary every year, we go somewhere we go away somewhere.
00:31:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:31:00
icarusruinslives
The last couple years, we just kind of gone to the beach and enjoyed a nice week down there. Though, to be fair, this year we took one too many days. The last day we're just like, just want to home.
00:31:11
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:31:11
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:13
icarusruinslives
It was just too much.
00:31:14
Chris
yeah yeah
00:31:15
icarusruinslives
ah So the yeah we went to the first... The first day we rode into town and we got, you know, ride around bikes and go to the park and we get hungry and we're like, oh, let's go to this restaurant, which we've been to before. It was fine. It wasn't great.
00:31:31
icarusruinslives
One of those places. you're just like, well, I'll go there.
00:31:33
Chris
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:34
icarusruinslives
was like, i' just get a sandwich. Oh, they have a, can't remember. It's like a salmon club or a seafood club, whatever they called it. It was a club sandwich. It was advertised as a club sandwich.
00:31:46
icarusruinslives
What, pray tell my friend, is the defining characteristics of a club sandwich.
00:31:53
Chris
Well, it's multi-tiered and has a toothpick in it.
00:31:56
icarusruinslives
So how many pieces of bread? At a minimum, at a minimum, three.
00:31:59
Chris
At a minimum, three.
00:32:03
Chris
Yeah.
00:32:03
icarusruinslives
So i order I order this club sandwich. It was a, oh, sorry.
00:32:06
Chris
Yeah. Usually the bread is toasted.
00:32:08
icarusruinslives
Sure, sure. Toasted bread, usually some sort of lettuce, tomato, ah a meat, maybe some bacon, mayonnaise, club sandwich.
00:32:09
Chris
no Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:18
icarusruinslives
It's perfectly fine sandwich. The sandwich comes to my table. Two pieces of bread.
00:32:24
Chris
What?
00:32:25
icarusruinslives
Two pieces of bread.
00:32:26
Chris
And like just two pieces of white bread?
00:32:28
icarusruinslives
It was two pieces of white bread, the fish, bacon, tomato, and lettuce.
00:32:34
Chris
to but
00:32:36
icarusruinslives
How is that a club sandwich?
00:32:38
Chris
but's not That's not. That's a sandwich.
00:32:40
icarusruinslives
It's a fish BLT.
00:32:42
icarusruinslives
It's a fish BLT.
00:32:42
Chris
Yeah.
00:32:43
Chris
Right.
00:32:43
icarusruinslives
You sons of bitches.
00:32:44
Chris
Yeah. Yeah, that's what...
00:32:45
icarusruinslives
False advertising.
00:32:46
Chris
That is false advertisement of the utmost.
00:32:48
icarusruinslives
So then I texted you that day, I think, remind me to tell you about this the next time record.
00:32:51
Chris
Yeah.
00:32:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:32:55
icarusruinslives
We have since gone to another restaurant that also was a seafood place. And I got the club sandwich again. Two pieces of bread.
00:33:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:33:05
Chris
That's not... No.
00:33:07
icarusruinslives
There are no standards anymore.
00:33:07
Chris
No.
00:33:10
icarusruinslives
Words have no meaning. we've we've We've reached the point of anarchy. When I can't go into a restaurant as a red-blooded patriotic American, and get a club sandwich with at least three pieces of bread, the society has fallen.
00:33:26
Chris
The Oxford Dictionary. Club sandwich. Noun. A sandwich of meat, usually chicken and bacon, tomato, lettuce, and mayonnaise, with two layers of filling between three slices of toast or bread.
00:33:42
icarusruinslives
It must have three slices. i
00:33:44
Chris
It's literally in the definition.
00:33:45
icarusruinslives
I'm on board. You want to say it's a fish club sandwich and it was fish, bacon, bread, you know, brit bread, fish, bacon, bread, lettuce, tomato, bread on board.
00:33:56
Chris
Yeah.
00:33:57
icarusruinslives
I'm not on board with two slices of bread.
00:33:59
Chris
No, that's no, no.
00:33:59
icarusruinslives
it's It's a step too far.
00:34:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:03
icarusruinslives
But to have it happen twice.
00:34:03
Chris
and And you should be able to react.
00:34:08
icarusruinslives
Well, you know, I'm never going to react.
00:34:10
Chris
There should be like a.
00:34:12
icarusruinslives
I'm just going to eat the dance sandwich and shut up.
00:34:14
Chris
Yeah, but there should.
00:34:14
icarusruinslives
Okay.
00:34:15
Chris
But no, but like. Go on Yelp or something and yeah. Liars.
00:34:20
icarusruinslives
but Well, yeah it's...
00:34:22
Chris
Or like as soon as it came to your table, you should. Liar.
00:34:26
icarusruinslives
but My wife and I, like, sometimes I'll get angry when someone does something wrong when they're driving, and she's like, don't talk at them. I'm like, well, how are they ever going to learn?
00:34:33
Chris
Yeah.
00:34:34
icarusruinslives
How are they ever going to know that they're wrong if they don't get corrected?
00:34:36
Chris
Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah.
00:34:39
icarusruinslives
These people are wrong. That's...
00:34:40
Chris
You need to send me these locations. I will write a stern email.
00:34:45
icarusruinslives
Well, yeah'll you'll probably go one... You've probably even been to the one restaurant because it's directly across from the place we get our uniforms from.
00:34:54
Chris
first from where we get our uniform
00:34:57
icarusruinslives
In Lewis. Pretty sure that's where we get all our fancy uniforms from.
00:35:03
Chris
oh maybe i don't know i don't get to lose a lot
00:35:03
icarusruinslives
Might be wrong.
00:35:08
icarusruinslives
Lose. Yeah. Well, if you go, it's directly across...
00:35:13
Chris
yeah okay yeah yeah maybe next next thursday admin lunch
00:35:15
icarusruinslives
So make ah tell the boss. Oh, you're the boss right now. Tell yourself that got to go inspect our uniform shop. And go over there.
00:35:26
icarusruinslives
Admin lunch. No doubt. No doubt.
00:35:32
icarusruinslives
Where's the admin staff? Oh, they all went to loose. What the hell?
00:35:36
Chris
Yeah.
00:35:38
icarusruinslives
My shift has to work Thursday, too. Don't worry.
00:35:41
Chris
Uh huh.
00:35:42
icarusruinslives
We'll keep up the slack.
00:35:45
Chris
But yeah, I mean, why are you lying to your customers like that?
00:35:45
icarusruinslives
but It drove me nuts. it
00:35:50
icarusruinslives
but Why not just call it a ah ah fish BLT?
00:35:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:35:54
icarusruinslives
I think it was salmon. A salmon BLT. Why would you make up and another thing?
00:36:00
Chris
It doesn't.
00:36:00
icarusruinslives
Because if you if you said sammon salmon, a salmon BLT, I would imagine it's salmon, bacon, lettuce, tomato.
00:36:06
Chris
Yeah.
00:36:08
icarusruinslives
Which is what it was.
00:36:09
Chris
Right. yeah that Yeah. What does that give them bonus points? Does it, is it, Oh, we've got to have so many club sandwiches on the menu.
00:36:20
Chris
So we had to call it a club sandwich. No, that's not how that works. That's lying to your customers.
00:36:23
icarusruinslives
I don't think there's a and don't think there's a health department director saying you must have X number of club sandwiches on your menu.
00:36:28
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:29
icarusruinslives
It's crazy.
00:36:31
Chris
Well, and that's the other thing.
00:36:31
icarusruinslives
Crazy.
00:36:33
Chris
How'd the health department let them get away with this?
00:36:36
icarusruinslives
Do you think the health department is checking their menu?
00:36:38
icarusruinslives
ah Club sandwich. All right, make your club sandwich. i want I better see three slices of bread.
00:36:38
Chris
They should be.
00:36:44
Chris
yeah
00:36:44
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:46
Chris
We'll see.
00:36:46
icarusruinslives
Yep.
00:36:46
Chris
But that's the thing though. They need some kind of supervision. Somebody checking on them. Because I remember when I worked at a subway restaurant. That when they would have their secret shoppers come in.
00:36:57
Chris
And they would order a sub. And ask for all these crazy things on it. And then they took it to the back. And they opened it up. And they said okay. Because you only put. three pickle slices on a six inch sub and you put two olives and you know, they would count that shit out.
00:37:12
Chris
And if you didn't get it right, you got in trouble.
00:37:16
icarusruinslives
Should you get in trouble or should your boss get in trouble for not training you correctly?
00:37:20
Chris
Well, no, I was trained correctly. It's just if I was lazy or not.
00:37:26
icarusruinslives
That's fair.
00:37:26
Chris
Yeah. Oh God. Trouble afoot.
00:37:30
icarusruinslives
Yeah, it might, it's high danger that about the boss thing. One of my employees the other day said, well, how come you're not mad about me not knowing this? And I said, well, how would I be mad at you for not knowing something?
00:37:41
icarusruinslives
It's my job to tell you things. If I haven't told you, then how can I expect you to know it? And she was like, I don't know.
00:37:48
Chris
But was it something they should know?
00:37:52
icarusruinslives
No.
00:37:53
Chris
OK.
00:37:54
icarusruinslives
It was something they should have been told.
00:37:58
icarusruinslives
100% it should have been told by by their boss.
00:37:59
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:03
icarusruinslives
But I can't blame that person for their boss not telling them. Right? It's just that person should be told.
00:38:08
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:10
Chris
Yeah. So then you go to that boss the next time you see them. And what the hell were you thinking?
00:38:16
icarusruinslives
I gave up.
00:38:17
Chris
Yeah.
00:38:19
icarusruinslives
i I have learned it's much easier to just mold my shift than to worry about other people's shifts.
00:38:25
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:38:29
icarusruinslives
Because if shift leaves the grease trap on the blackstone full one more time, I'm going to set fire to their cars.
00:38:40
icarusruinslives
I told them they're no longer allowed to use it. And they thought I was joking. Because I had to send a strongly worded email out the other day, please stop leaving this grease trap full.
00:38:51
icarusruinslives
And then the next shift, I pulled the grill out and the grease trap was full and got greased all over the floor. And I almost went ballistic.
00:39:01
icarusruinslives
And I said, if you guys don't take care of things, you can't use them.
00:39:05
Chris
Yeah, that's the way it works.
00:39:07
icarusruinslives
That's the way it works. If you fill it up, empty it.
00:39:12
Chris
Yeah.
00:39:13
icarusruinslives
It's what I do for you. Make sure you do it for others.
00:39:16
Chris
my gosh. You should take the grease trap, dump it into a jar, and then sneak into the firehouse right before they get there on C-shift and fill it back up.
00:39:28
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Or the next time I work overtime, I'll sneak in and fill it up with my own urine.
00:39:30
Chris
All...
00:39:36
Chris
Yes.
00:39:37
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Sons of bitches.
00:39:39
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:39:41
icarusruinslives
I cannot wait for
00:39:41
Chris
but Or just take it and dump it in their lieutenant's boots.
00:39:45
icarusruinslives
them. That would help. Well, they go on so few calls, though, it would take them like a month to notice.
00:39:51
Chris
Yeah.
00:39:54
icarusruinslives
So, uh, old D-Shift's not been rolling deep lately either, there so can't really say much.
00:39:58
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:02
icarusruinslives
We've been weirdly, oddly, scarily...
00:40:05
Chris
Yeah, it's been that way for a lot of people.
00:40:06
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:40:09
icarusruinslives
Yeah. I don't know what's going on.
00:40:10
Chris
Which is a good thing. That means people aren't getting in trouble and aren't hurting and.
00:40:15
icarusruinslives
It's true. It's true.
00:40:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:18
icarusruinslives
It's good for the people, bad for us. I always say that, like when people ask me, like, how come you enjoy your job?
00:40:20
Chris
Yes.
00:40:24
icarusruinslives
I'm like, well, because trained for it.
00:40:26
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:40:27
icarusruinslives
Right. If you trained to do something and you' never get to do it, you'd be like annoyed.
00:40:32
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:33
icarusruinslives
You I just not that I want anybody to get hurt. Put Dan on there to help.
00:40:41
icarusruinslives
ah Well, I think the last sign all this is if you're going to name it a club sandwich, it better be a fucking club sandwich.
00:40:48
Chris
Yeah.
00:40:49
icarusruinslives
Or we're coming for you.
00:40:49
Chris
Or else. Oh yeah. No, we're coming in for you.
00:40:52
icarusruinslives
We're coming for you.
Quintessential Video Games Discussion
00:40:53
Chris
Yeah. Kelly, make a note, go get them.
00:40:58
icarusruinslives
Well, on the topic...
00:41:06
Chris
Topic two. So was thinking about this and. We both play of the video games.
00:41:13
icarusruinslives
We do?
00:41:16
Chris
If you had to name ah video game for each genre, if somebody was like, you know, what's the quintessential first person shooter or this or that, you know, what comes to mind?
00:41:30
Chris
So I thought we'd go through some of them.
00:41:30
icarusruinslives
Boy. All right, i've already I'm already mad about one of them, but go ahead.
00:41:34
Chris
Oh, gosh. OK, so we'll start with first person shooters.
00:41:40
icarusruinslives
So, but the one I'm already mad about. You're starting right out the gate.
00:41:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:41:45
icarusruinslives
I'm going to say the answer that I don't like, but I think is right.
00:41:48
Chris
Yeah.
00:41:49
icarusruinslives
The answer is Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
00:41:52
Chris
Yeah. yeah
00:41:53
icarusruinslives
I'm not happy about it.
00:41:53
Chris
yeah no
00:41:55
icarusruinslives
I would like say Halo. i would like to say Doom. I would like to say Wolfenstein. But when it comes to Quiz Essential, the one, the best of the growth, the one that all the other ones are compared to, it's got to be...
00:42:03
Chris
yeah yeah
00:42:09
Chris
yeah
00:42:10
icarusruinslives
Modern Warfare 2.
00:42:11
Chris
yeah yeah
00:42:12
icarusruinslives
Makes me sad say it.
00:42:14
Chris
yeah Yeah, I mean, I would just say Call a Duty in general, but yeah.
00:42:18
icarusruinslives
Well, Call of Duty has got some real stinkers in there.
00:42:21
Chris
Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:42:22
icarusruinslives
know
00:42:22
Chris
Yeah, it does.
00:42:23
icarusruinslives
yeah But it just think of like if you think of the game that like multiplayer, first-person shooter set up that real genre, that that's that one.
00:42:24
Chris
But.
00:42:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:42:33
Chris
Yeah. Are Doom and Quake really first person shooters?
00:42:37
icarusruinslives
Sure, they're like the first-person shooters.
00:42:41
Chris
I guess it's where you don't. You can't aim down the sights.
00:42:45
icarusruinslives
Right, yeah.
00:42:45
Chris
I guess that's what throws me off.
00:42:47
icarusruinslives
Sure. But, you know, they're still first-person Like, if you were like, what's the granddaddy of all first-person shooters?
00:42:49
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:53
icarusruinslives
I'd be like, somewhere between Doom or Wolfenstein? I think it's probably Doom, but...
00:42:57
Chris
Yeah.
00:42:58
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:42:58
Chris
Which was... can't remember which one was first.
00:43:03
icarusruinslives
I think Doom was first without doing any research, which is the best way to.
00:43:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:43:08
Chris
Good old Doomguy was before BJ Blazkowicz.
00:43:09
icarusruinslives
There you go.
00:43:13
Chris
yeah yeah what oh yeah god that was such a ah that was a game yeah um all right so platformer
00:43:15
icarusruinslives
ah Serious Sam. Serious Sam is also good one.
00:43:20
icarusruinslives
Duke Nukem. It
00:43:25
icarusruinslives
was a game. It was indeed.
00:43:37
Chris
see i i immediately go to super mario 3.
00:43:41
icarusruinslives
i said I immediately go to Super Mario 2?
00:43:43
Chris
two really but it's not a mario game yeah was doki doki surprise or something yeah yeah
00:43:44
icarusruinslives
i love 2!
00:43:48
icarusruinslives
It's not a Mario game. and see you've even Even if you know the backstory, it's not a Mario game. ah But, yeah. um Yeah, I mean, it's gotta to be a Mario.
00:44:02
icarusruinslives
um And I think that's a generational thing. like I think if you asked kids, they'd be like, Mario Odyssey, or...
00:44:08
Chris
yeah is it mario wonder now
00:44:08
icarusruinslives
you know, but it's, it's a Mario game. Yeah. It's some sort of Mario game.
00:44:14
Chris
um not
00:44:15
icarusruinslives
Like there's no, there's no doubt on that to me.
00:44:15
Chris
Yeah.
00:44:19
Chris
Yeah. um Racing. Racing game.
00:44:26
icarusruinslives
I'm not a big racing guy. um
00:44:28
Chris
i Not either, but...
00:44:31
icarusruinslives
Forza probably.
00:44:32
Chris
Yeah, I would say for the Forza games.
00:44:35
icarusruinslives
yeah
00:44:35
Chris
Because it's between them and... oh gosh, what's the other one? Like Need for Speed or something like that?
00:44:41
icarusruinslives
Yeah, think it's Forza.
00:44:43
Chris
Yeah.
00:44:44
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Pole position from Atari.
00:44:47
Chris
Oh gosh, it i that was one the first games I ever played.
00:44:51
icarusruinslives
Me too. It's the first game I ever made the leaderboard on an arcade cabinet.
00:44:58
Chris
that's pretty cool.
00:45:00
icarusruinslives
Showbiz Pizza, Wilmington, Delaware. 1986?
00:45:03
Chris
Nice.
00:45:03
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Yeah. six
00:45:06
Chris
R-H-W.
00:45:08
icarusruinslives
yeah
00:45:12
Chris
um Fighting game.
00:45:18
icarusruinslives
I'm going to say the one that popped in my head first and I think I can i think you can persuade me against it but I'm going to say Mortal Kombat
00:45:26
Chris
Yeah, see, i I immediately think Street Fighter.
00:45:30
icarusruinslives
i and i i can't argue with that logic but for me and the one that popped into my head when you said the other game was Mike Tyson Punch-Out yeah yeah
00:45:35
Chris
Yeah.
00:45:38
Chris
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:45:42
Chris
Oh, Punch-Out?
00:45:44
icarusruinslives
It's a great game. it's not really a fighting game.
00:45:45
Chris
Oh, boy. But it is.
00:45:49
icarusruinslives
i mean the By the strictest definition of the word, it is a game about fighters.
00:45:53
Chris
yeah.
00:45:53
icarusruinslives
Fighting.
00:45:54
Chris
yeah
00:45:55
icarusruinslives
But I would say...
00:45:58
Chris
of the Yeah, that 2D side-scrolly.
00:46:02
icarusruinslives
Maybe I'd be convinced to go to Street Fighter 2.
00:46:05
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:07
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I'll go to Street Fighter 2. ah Mortal Kombat is probably closer to my heart, but Street Fighter is probably the right mix there.
00:46:08
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:11
Chris
Yeah. God.
00:46:14
Chris
The first Mortal Kombat where, like, look at these graphics.
00:46:14
icarusruinslives
It just felt like Mortal Kombat...
00:46:17
Chris
It's so realistic.
00:46:19
icarusruinslives
Well, just felt like Mortal Kombat when you played Street Fighter and you played Mortal Kombat, you're like, oh my god, this is a much better game.
00:46:24
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:25
icarusruinslives
You know.
00:46:25
Chris
Yeah. The hits felt like they really connected. But I feel like, for me, Mortal Kombat went off the rails with all the fatalities and brutality and babality.
00:46:37
icarusruinslives
Yeah. It's fair.
00:46:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:40
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:46:41
Chris
Yeah.
00:46:42
icarusruinslives
And the characters in Street Fighter are better.
00:46:44
Chris
Yeah. Well, I mean, Jean-Claude Van Damme was the guy.
00:46:50
icarusruinslives
ah what's his name was M. Bison Adam's family guy yeah yeah crazy it's crazy movie it's a movie
00:46:53
Chris
Oh, gosh. yeah um Raoul Julia...
00:47:00
Chris
Yeah, it's something. and it It's a movie. that's that's That's one way to put it. It's a movie. Aren't they remaking it?
00:47:09
icarusruinslives
oh I don't know well they made like 40 of those Mortal Kombat movies and I've seen like one of them
00:47:11
Chris
I think they are making another Street Fighter movie.
00:47:15
Chris
that's
00:47:20
Chris
Yeah, let's see. I don't know of any of these people. Roman Reigns, I think he's a WWE guy. He's going to be Akuma.
00:47:34
Chris
Cody Rhodes is going to be Guile.
00:47:36
icarusruinslives
don't know who that is. don't who any these people are.
00:47:37
Chris
Cody Rhodes, that's Dusty Rhodes' son.
00:47:41
icarusruinslives
Cool.
00:47:41
Chris
ah Gold, yeah, Goldust from WWE.
00:47:46
icarusruinslives
I watched wrestling when I was six.
00:47:51
Chris
Cent is going to be Balrog.
00:47:54
icarusruinslives
I don't even know who Balrog is.
00:47:56
Chris
He was the like Mike Tyson looking guy.
00:48:00
Chris
Jason Momoa is going to be Blanca.
00:48:03
icarusruinslives
Well, then I'm out.
00:48:05
Chris
Are you strictly anti Jason Momoa?
00:48:08
icarusruinslives
I'm over the Jace Momoa train.
00:48:10
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:11
icarusruinslives
I'm sorry. I know you can beat me up, but...
00:48:12
Chris
ah No, no, no. I'm not going to beat you up at all.
00:48:16
icarusruinslives
No, him.
00:48:17
Chris
Oh, I don't know. I think, and yeah, you could probably just point to a beer or something and he travel over to it.
00:48:25
icarusruinslives
Like, he seems like a cool guy.
00:48:27
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:27
icarusruinslives
i i don't think I'd want to have a beer with him.
00:48:30
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:31
icarusruinslives
He's too much for me.
00:48:32
Chris
Yeah. yeah Too much personality. Yep.
00:48:36
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:38
Chris
Yep. Computer RPGs. The old CRPGs.
00:48:45
icarusruinslives
Oh, so right we need to define ah CRPG for a second.
00:48:46
Chris
Yeah.
00:48:52
Chris
So I like the isometric.
00:48:52
icarusruinslives
So we're we're ignoring JRPGs. So
00:48:54
Chris
Yeah. It's like the isometric 2.5 D or whatever.
00:49:00
Chris
a CRPG.
00:49:01
icarusruinslives
so you're talking like the old school Dungeons and Dragons games?
00:49:03
Chris
Yeah.
00:49:08
Chris
Well, I mean. Yeah. I mean, pretty much anything. Any of the role playing games you played on a computer back in the day.
00:49:20
icarusruinslives
Hmm. So we're taking MMORGs out of it, I'm assuming.
00:49:24
Chris
Yeah. That would be a totally separate.
00:49:26
icarusruinslives
Yeah. um I think it's got to be like... I think it was... It was Dungeons & Dragons Quest for... Oh, man.
00:49:42
icarusruinslives
this just This is an old poll. This is like the
00:49:45
Chris
Yeah.
00:49:45
icarusruinslives
um Will you give me your answer? I'm going to at mine.
00:49:49
Chris
Why? Because I go to the original Baldur's Gate.
00:49:54
icarusruinslives
Oh, you're talking about those RPGs. though You're talking about top-down RPGs.
00:49:58
Chris
Well, really, I mean, well, it could be anything, but yeah, I mean, that when I think of a CRPG, I think of the first Baldur's Gate.
00:49:59
icarusruinslives
Oh.
00:50:05
icarusruinslives
Well, then I'm going to flip that and say Neverwinter because that was better.
00:50:09
Chris
Ooh, Neverwinter was better. Yeah.
00:50:10
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Neverwinter was better than...
00:50:12
Chris
Yeah.
00:50:13
icarusruinslives
And i i look, we both have a very soft spot in our hearts for Baldur's Gate, but Neverwinter.
00:50:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:50:18
icarusruinslives
Let's see what happens.
00:50:19
Chris
Yeah.
00:50:22
Chris
Yeah.
00:50:25
icarusruinslives
I could find that game though. 90s. I can see
00:50:30
Chris
What? Are we talking about the, is it? The temple of Flan or whatever?
00:50:39
icarusruinslives
the game in head.
00:50:42
Chris
quest for the iron monkey?
00:50:43
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:50:46
Chris
don't know.
00:50:47
icarusruinslives
i can see the game in my head
00:50:52
Chris
That's always frustrating. We can see it, but you can't.
00:50:54
icarusruinslives
yeah
00:50:55
Chris
Yeah.
00:51:00
Chris
um Well, while we're there, how about your role playing game?
00:51:02
icarusruinslives
It might have been...
00:51:07
Chris
Could be JRPG, could be Western RPG, could be. Yeah.
00:51:13
icarusruinslives
I mean, I know the answer you're gonna give, I feel like.
00:51:18
Chris
What am I going to give?
00:51:20
icarusruinslives
Final Fantasy, I'm assuming seven.
00:51:21
Chris
Yeah. No.
00:51:24
icarusruinslives
Oh.
00:51:25
Chris
No. I never really liked seven. and
00:51:28
icarusruinslives
oh
00:51:28
Chris
Yeah. No. Four. Four was what got me into it. I would say six, though. Six is the better story. More characters.
00:51:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:51:40
icarusruinslives
I am gonna go Star Wars Knights Republic.
00:51:46
Chris
that's a good one.
00:51:49
icarusruinslives
That's where I'm gonna go. That I felt like was the best version of a Bioware game.
00:52:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:06
icarusruinslives
I mean, there's good numbers out there. like Skyrim would have been good, but Skyrim isn't the right answer.
00:52:10
Chris
Now.
00:52:13
Chris
Was the game you're thinking of the D&D game. Eye of the Boulder.
00:52:17
icarusruinslives
It might have been Eye Balder.
00:52:18
Chris
Yeah.
00:52:19
icarusruinslives
Fair.
00:52:21
Chris
um Yeah. Yeah. Skyrim's fine. I'm personally. I'm just not a big. don't know. That's not my gig.
00:52:31
icarusruinslives
Fair.
00:52:31
Chris
Not. The first person RPG. The combat always feels too floaty.
00:52:36
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:52:37
Chris
Unless it's.
00:52:37
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:52:38
Chris
I mean for the sword. know all that. Spells and everything that's fine. But.
00:52:45
icarusruinslives
It's also just a really old engine.
00:52:47
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. um Strategy game.
00:52:55
icarusruinslives
ah Real-time strategy game or hex-based strategy game?
00:52:57
Chris
Yes. Real time.
00:53:00
icarusruinslives
ah Oh. I'm going to have to give it to the one that I don't agree with, but is probably the correct answer, and that's StarCraft.
00:53:09
Chris
Oh, OK.
00:53:11
icarusruinslives
Yeah, my answer personally, it would be Command & Conquer.
00:53:14
Chris
Yeah.
00:53:14
icarusruinslives
um And especially Command & Conquer Red Alert. I loved that game.
00:53:18
Chris
i mean Command and conquer was what I fall off.
00:53:21
icarusruinslives
Yeah, but StarCraft is like... Like, that's the one that everybody knows, right? That's the one that everybody and and for some reason was never able to capture that again
00:53:37
Chris
yeah. yeah
00:53:38
icarusruinslives
like they tried that starcraft 2 and it was fine and there was like the rogue starcraft or whatever the heck that was and it never and it just kind of tizzled out and died like you don't see starcraft stuff come anymore you know not that you see commands conquer out come out either
00:53:46
Chris
Yeah.
00:53:48
Chris
Yeah.
00:53:51
Chris
No. No, you don't.
00:53:55
Chris
No. Wasn't the original Warcraft strategy game?
00:53:59
icarusruinslives
Oh yeah, Warcraft 1, 2, and 3.
00:54:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:01
icarusruinslives
Age of Empires up there on the list.
00:54:02
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:04
icarusruinslives
Hardcore. Command and Conqueror Alert is my favorite of them. That was the one I enjoyed the most as a kid.
00:54:12
Chris
Yeah. yeah Pretty sure... Warhammer games are in there too, right?
00:54:17
icarusruinslives
a Total Warhammer, yeah.
00:54:19
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:19
icarusruinslives
there's yeah
00:54:19
Chris
Yeah. How about MOBA?
00:54:24
icarusruinslives
I don't like MOBAs.
00:54:26
Chris
I don't either.
00:54:27
icarusruinslives
um I tried League Legends.
00:54:30
Chris
Yeah, that's what comes to my mind.
00:54:33
icarusruinslives
Was not a fan. i The one I would say I've played the most of and and sort of enjoyed was Smite.
00:54:39
Chris
Okay. No?
00:54:40
icarusruinslives
um I went on a little bit of a Smite kick.
00:54:44
Chris
No?
00:54:45
icarusruinslives
ah just it feel um My problem, and this is the this is totally me, not a people who play MOBA, I'm not calling you out. It just gets repetitive for me.
00:54:54
Chris
Yeah.
00:54:55
icarusruinslives
Very quickly.
00:54:56
Chris
Yeah. Yep.
00:55:01
Chris
um and MMO.
00:55:09
icarusruinslives
Boy, as probably the person on this podcast with the most time in MMOs, um I have to really wait.
00:55:19
icarusruinslives
So my heart wants to say Meridian 59, which is a game I played obsessively in high school in my first two years of college.
00:55:23
Chris
OK.
00:55:30
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
00:55:33
icarusruinslives
to the detriment of other things, which is not the way to be real-life kids. ah
00:55:40
icarusruinslives
Original Warcraft, World of Warcraft, obviously, the MMO was amazing for its time.
00:55:44
Chris
yeah yeah vanilla wow
00:55:48
icarusruinslives
But wasn't... The problem with WoW is if you were into MMOs, it wasn't a very good m MMO. Right?
00:55:59
Chris
really
00:55:59
icarusruinslives
it was It was an MMO that got people into MMOs. and became huge and massive, but it really didn't add much to the genre when it came out, other than its massive popularity.
Survival Games and Game Difficulty
00:56:13
icarusruinslives
I think there are much better games out there, and I think the answer I'm going to give is going to be EverQuest,
00:56:18
Chris
that's a good one.
00:56:20
icarusruinslives
is because that's like the granddaddy of MMOs.
00:56:22
Chris
Yeah.
00:56:22
icarusruinslives
That's the one that, if EverQuest doesn't happen, none of the other things on the list matter. And ultimately, it probably is not also deservedly of that.
00:56:29
Chris
Yeah.
00:56:30
icarusruinslives
of that
00:56:31
Chris
Yeah. Ultima comes to my mind, but yeah.
00:56:36
icarusruinslives
I just don't think it could be WoW, and i I'm just, I'm sorry.
00:56:38
Chris
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:56:39
icarusruinslives
i know that that's the right answer, but I i have to stick to guns.
00:56:43
Chris
Yeah, no, I totally appreciate that. Yeah. I mean, Guild Wars, that's a newer one that's pretty good.
00:56:49
icarusruinslives
I don't really consider Guild Wars an MMO. i played it.
00:56:52
Chris
Yeah.
00:56:53
icarusruinslives
Yeah, it's fine. I guess, you know, it just didn't hit that itch for me.
00:56:57
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:01
icarusruinslives
um yeah and i've you know uh eso or you know it's fine
00:57:07
Chris
Yeah, I couldn't get into it.
00:57:09
icarusruinslives
yeah i'd say oh well it's like dungeons and dragons online i tried that just i couldn't get into it my problem with dungeon dragon online was they were trying to like shove loot boxes down my face and i was just like i can't i can't deal with this yeah
00:57:23
Chris
Oh yeah. That's not fun.
00:57:30
Chris
And yeah. We'll wrap it up with survival games.
00:57:36
icarusruinslives
Oh boy. Again, this is like my kick now.
00:57:39
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:43
Chris
Yeah. Because I think of Rust.
00:57:46
icarusruinslives
Rust is really good.
00:57:51
icarusruinslives
Seven Days Die is really good.
00:57:53
Chris
Yeah.
00:57:54
icarusruinslives
um
00:57:55
Chris
Daisy.
00:57:56
icarusruinslives
Daisy was fine until they really screwed it up.
00:58:00
Chris
Yeah.
00:58:00
icarusruinslives
I'm currently playing the heck out of Icarus, which is a survival game.
00:58:03
Chris
Icarus.
00:58:06
Chris
Conan Exiles.
00:58:08
icarusruinslives
Conan Exiles is an amazing survival builder. Boy.
00:58:11
Chris
Yeah.
00:58:17
icarusruinslives
For the survival side, I have to remove Rust from the list.
00:58:22
Chris
OK.
00:58:23
icarusruinslives
The environment doesn't do enough to force you to do things. so
00:58:27
Chris
Okay. Yeah.
00:58:28
icarusruinslives
Sorry, Rust. You're off my list.
00:58:31
Chris
Oh, what was that ah newer one? Age of Eternium or whatever?
00:58:37
icarusruinslives
Age of Eternium.
00:58:37
Chris
or not Age of Eternium. New World something.
00:58:41
icarusruinslives
Oh, New World's not a survival game. It's a MO.
00:58:43
Chris
okay. Okay.
00:58:44
icarusruinslives
That's the Amazon MMO. Conan Exiles is really excellent. um Did an excellent job of not pushing DLC. there was just it was this commit It was all cosmetic, so you didn't have to get it.
00:59:02
icarusruinslives
I liked that.
00:59:05
icarusruinslives
Again, the survival side of it was a little weak.
00:59:13
icarusruinslives
I think I'm going to have to give it to seven days to die. And I'm playing a heck of Icarus and love Icarus a lot, but the again, there needs to be pressure from the environment, and seven days die hit that the most for me.
00:59:27
Chris
yeah didn't you play e okay what was that one i'm trying to think what was it called frost frost bunk i don't i don't know
00:59:36
icarusruinslives
Dancer's probably yes.
00:59:40
icarusruinslives
frostbunk does that count as a survival game o ah first off what a letdowns frostbunk 2 was i don't know that i've been more excited for a game and to be let down more by it than frostbunk 2.
00:59:51
Chris
really
00:59:58
Chris
ah
01:00:00
icarusruinslives
and i can't even really tell you why i'm let down it's ah Well, I can tell you why I'm let down. I can't put my finger on why the game lets me down.
01:00:12
Chris
Gotcha.
01:00:12
icarusruinslives
The reason I'm let down is because i just wanted more Frostbunk.
01:00:17
Chris
Oh, and they tried to make it new and exciting.
01:00:18
icarusruinslives
hey
01:00:21
icarusruinslives
It's just something different. And that something different didn't scratch the right itch, which...
01:00:27
Chris
Yeah.
01:00:27
icarusruinslives
It's more on me. But, man, I love Frostbunk.
01:00:29
Chris
Yeah.
01:00:31
icarusruinslives
If you want to talk about a game... that if you take it off the ball for a second, you're in trouble. Frostpunk's on that list.
01:00:39
Chris
Ooh.
01:00:40
icarusruinslives
um And I guess it is a survival game. Man, you really muddied the waters here.
01:00:47
Chris
That's me, the old water muddier.
01:00:51
icarusruinslives
I will say Frostpunk is a more polished and finished experience than Seven Days, which is nice. I do appreciate that. So I think I might have to go with Frostpunk. I really, really love that game.
01:01:03
Chris
Yeah.
01:01:03
icarusruinslives
ah Seven days is great, but it's never felt finished or polished.
01:01:09
Chris
That's always frustrating when a game just always feels like it needs a little bit more.
01:01:13
icarusruinslives
Well, it was in alpha for like seven years.
01:01:17
Chris
yeah yeah can you really be an alpha for seven years though but that's nice
01:01:18
icarusruinslives
ah
01:01:21
icarusruinslives
Well, two to their credit, I think company's called Bad Pimps? Two Pimps? Something like that? I can't remember. updated the game regularly on alpha and when they said hey we're finally up into 1.0 release it they never charged you ever again for it so how that model makes money i don't understand because i think i bought that game in 2017 and haven't paid it for anything since let me look at my steam hours played it's not the game i played the most hours in um
01:01:46
Chris
oh
01:01:49
Chris
Wow.
01:01:58
Chris
Yeah.
01:02:04
icarusruinslives
I used to tell you how many hours. I have played 1439 hours of 7 Days to Die.
01:02:09
Chris
Shoo.
01:02:11
icarusruinslives
You never got to ask me what my favorite strategy game is of the hex-based kind.
01:02:18
Chris
What is the X base kind?
01:02:18
icarusruinslives
yes That's hands-down Panzer Corps, which I have played 1500 hours of.
01:02:22
Chris
Ah, yes.
01:02:27
icarusruinslives
Oh, so what is your survival game? He didn't and answer. I went too far.
01:02:30
Chris
I did. i said Rust.
01:02:32
icarusruinslives
Did you? Oh, you said Rust.
01:02:34
Chris
Yeah.
01:02:35
icarusruinslives
yeah
01:02:36
Chris
Yeah.
01:02:36
icarusruinslives
people really like raft it looks interesting sunken land looks interesting sunken land probably has the most pressure from ones i've seen yeah um
01:02:40
Chris
yeah
01:02:43
Chris
Oh, really? Yeah, probably the one I played the most was Conan Exiles.
01:02:49
icarusruinslives
i really like current exiles if you play current exiles on like the harder difficulties it is a very tough game to play which i really appreciate um
01:02:51
Chris
Yeah.
01:02:57
Chris
yeah yeah that's what i do oh
01:03:03
icarusruinslives
Yeah, I'm gonna still have to go out to Frostbunk because you really muddied the waters on me.
01:03:09
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite RPG, JRPG, that's not Final Fantasy?
01:03:22
Chris
jrpg that's not final fantasy
01:03:25
icarusruinslives
I have an answer. But I don't know if counts.
01:03:32
Chris
um I mean, Dragon Quest is up there. Tales games are up there.
01:03:48
icarusruinslives
I'm not sure if this counts, but what does Dragon Quest VIII?
01:03:48
Chris
Yeah, i I'd have to say Dragon Quest VIII.
01:03:53
icarusruinslives
What do you count Resident Evil as?
01:03:53
Chris
Yeah.
01:03:57
Chris
That's a survival horror.
01:03:59
icarusruinslives
Is that survival horror?
01:04:00
Chris
Yeah. Yeah.
01:04:02
icarusruinslives
It's horror.
01:04:03
Chris
It's yeah.
01:04:04
icarusruinslives
I'll tell you, if we go to horror games, the game that has literally scared the crap out of me is Phasmophobia.
01:04:15
Chris
Oh yeah, no, no, no. but That is not a Chris game.
01:04:18
icarusruinslives
Boy, that game is...
01:04:20
Chris
Yeah.
01:04:23
icarusruinslives
Don't play it in the dark. Don't play it alone.
01:04:27
Chris
Yeah. Well, I tried Resident Evil 7 in VR.
01:04:29
icarusruinslives
Yeah.
01:04:31
Chris
and vr
01:04:32
icarusruinslives
Oh.
01:04:33
Chris
yeah that was bad both of yeah no yeah
01:04:34
icarusruinslives
Well, Phasmophobia is also in VR.
01:04:38
icarusruinslives
ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's ah That's a rough one. That is a rough one.
01:04:47
icarusruinslives
Well, friends, try Frostpunk.
01:04:51
Chris
yeah yeah side tangent yeah
01:04:53
icarusruinslives
ah You know, here's another thing I want to say. There's a side tangent to this. And I'm throwing this out to my brother, who I love dearly. Maybe don't play survival games if you only want to play them on easy.
01:05:05
icarusruinslives
Maybe play them on at least normal.
01:05:07
Chris
Yeah.
01:05:09
icarusruinslives
Games should be a little challenging.
01:05:10
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. I usually.
01:05:12
icarusruinslives
I had this conversation at the gym the other day. Working out should be challenging. It shouldn't be hard, but it should be challenging.
01:05:20
Chris
Right. Yeah. I mean, that's how you know you're doing something.
01:05:23
icarusruinslives
Right. Some games should be challenging. They don't have to be impossible.
01:05:27
Chris
now
01:05:27
icarusruinslives
Just challenging.
01:05:28
Chris
Yeah.
Podcast Conclusion and Recommendations
01:05:29
icarusruinslives
And that's my PSA for today.
01:05:29
Chris
No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I always try to start on at least normal.
01:05:35
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Yeah, you know, i don't always do legendary anymore, but...
01:05:38
Chris
yeah I don't. Yeah. But I also don't start start right out on baby ass baby mode.
01:05:45
icarusruinslives
I don't start out on Baby Ass Maybe Boom. That's the thing that Wolfenstein, you know, got right.
01:05:47
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:52
icarusruinslives
Yeah. Oh, I have one other side tangent for everyone.
01:05:59
Chris
Okay.
01:05:59
icarusruinslives
ah We are now officially in the time of the year where all my wife does is bitch about how cool it is in the house.
01:06:06
Chris
So it's the eternal struggle of when to turn on the furnace.
01:06:09
icarusruinslives
And i have told her December the thirty first
01:06:13
Chris
who
01:06:16
icarusruinslives
I think we'll make it to October of the 18th.
01:06:20
Chris
Folks are recording on the 17th.
01:06:23
icarusruinslives
That is correct. Yeah.
01:06:28
Chris
Yeah. When I came down this morning, it was 64 in the house.
01:06:32
icarusruinslives
Sounds perfect.
01:06:33
Chris
Yeah, I was fine.
01:06:35
icarusruinslives
Put a little hoodie on have a cup of tea.
01:06:36
Chris
yeah yeah
01:06:38
icarusruinslives
but else you need in life?
01:06:39
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Cause when it's nice and cold like that, your body is like, it's cold. I must hibernate. So you get that really deep rejuvenating sleep.
01:06:48
icarusruinslives
hu
01:06:49
Chris
Plus I was chock full of NyQuil last night.
01:06:52
icarusruinslives
ah Yeah, you were sick.
01:06:53
Chris
Yeah.
01:06:56
icarusruinslives
Well, think we've casted the pod.
01:06:58
Chris
Yeah. Yeah. Folks. Yeah. Take care of yourselves. Make sure to follow us on Twitter. Yeah.
01:07:04
icarusruinslives
Enjoy a nice cuppa.
01:07:07
Chris
And, uh, and,
01:07:10
icarusruinslives
Go play Frostmunk.
01:07:11
Chris
yeah Go try it out.
01:07:13
icarusruinslives
Oh, and if you need something to ruin your life, try EVE Online.
01:07:18
Chris
Yeah, that doesn't sound fun.
01:07:20
icarusruinslives
oh my god i tried that try to wrap up i gotta once i my buddy played that game and he's like you should play it with you'll love it i played that game and he's like and he he was like all right this is what you do and i started research and he's like oh yeah that's that's real time days and i was like well what tell me this research won't be done for 12 days in real life he's like yeah so cool i'll be back in two weeks and then i never played the game again yeah
01:07:43
Chris
Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let me check the game and I'll be back.
01:07:51
icarusruinslives
Yep.
01:07:52
Chris
Yeah. No.
01:07:55
icarusruinslives
All right.
01:07:56
Chris
Take care, folks.
01:07:57
icarusruinslives
you, folks.