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Building a Hunting Brand - James Visser
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This week on the Tricer Podcast, drew has on James Visser to talk about building the bow disciples brand. They also discuss many of the brands these guys like to use. Drew and James discuss trying out hunting from saddles. James is a great guest, and this is a great conversation. If you want to know when and where to find Bow Disciples or Tricer listen to this show. These guys talk about their show and shoot schedules
JAMES VISSER – BOW DISCIPLES
Instagram - @bowdisciples
Website - https://www.bowdisciples.com
TRICER USA
Website – https://tricerusa.com/
Instagram - @tricerusa
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tricerusa/
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Transcript
Introduction and Theme
00:00:01
Speaker
You are listening to the Tricer podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer. And I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners. We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen. All right, we're just gonna come in hot. I'm just gonna start this thing out with no, like we didn't really talk much before this thing.
Hunting Season Experiences
00:00:28
Speaker
so I'm a good buddy. I'm changing this around here. Go disciples. Can we do a pod? We have no agenda for this pod other than just to like kind of like recap our season, I guess. yeah And just kind of see where it goes from there. Because we've both been on the field a whole bunch. And just want to hear what's going new with James. It seems like James is blowing up. Do what's going on.
00:00:50
Speaker
Well, you know, yeah, I'm excited to be on here and chit chat. You got me fired up on a podcast you did with Whitney. You had this energy. I loved it. It was kind of grungy. I felt like I was listening to a punk rock album. So I had to come on here and just give that energy back. But yeah, now it's been a ah good year. Um, actually feel like I've hunted less than I normally have, like in the past, but I've been on.
Growth and Uniqueness in Content Creation
00:01:14
Speaker
I probably hunted more days, but I did a lot of it as a filmer for Brianna and that's how well come you know what I mean, but Yeah, I shot my biggest coosdeer this year and Yeah, it's been cool seeing her get that cow out dude was like it was so cool because we worked really hard to get her you know that cow we had so many close opportunities and then to nail the footage and and everything was was really rewarding and cool so yeah we've been grinding and I've been flying all over the place filming with people too you know so it's been kind of a journey you know yeah I mean that's kind of like well I guess we could could go start with because like I mean yeah it's cool you're on the transfer podcast we also kind of went on like another podcast that's almost as big as transfer podcast keep hammering yeahbernas podcast yeah did that right I did yeah yeah yeah which was uh
00:02:08
Speaker
Yeah, it was interesting. like So lots changed since we last did a podcast. A ton's changed. Because the first time we did a podcast, I didn't have a single like real sponsor. you know Not a single one, partly intentionally. you know I wanted to be independent for a long time and build a platform first. But since we did that, you know now I have four like legit sponsorships that pay you know monthly And then I got, I'm probably going to sign a fifth one here soon. And then since then too, like I did a, did the pod cam, did a video with, uh, Beaumard on videos with like Tim Connor and Josh Jones and, uh, Brandon McDonald, like all kinds of different people since then. So it's been like a whirlwind of.
00:03:00
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of growth but it's not I'm not surprised by it I kind of was just waiting for the right time to like flip the switch and like okay my brand is big enough now let's really grow it you know what's kind of my mentality so but it is a trip thinking back to our our last pod to now you know both of us have kind of done a lot you know yeah we should kind of go into all those brands and there's something that like you said there that really I really liked it was I waited until my brand was like, almost my brand was valuable enough to do it. I think people don't get that in the influencer world. It's like, these are people who are just like, Hey man, like give me gear, give me gear, sponsor, sponsor, sponsor. It's like, man, like you don't have that. What value can you bring to me as an influencer to do this?
Energetic Style vs. Authenticity
00:03:47
Speaker
And like you bring a lot of value. And like I, I had like pushed you with all kinds of people because I just think it's so cool that we have another SoCal guy doing this.
00:03:56
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you're You're very good at creating content for people. right like it's not it's like It's very unique to James. which what appreciate like you're not doing like I don't see anyone else doing what James is doing in the in the archery space and the way you do it and the way you make content. right like and I always think it's funny too because I tell people all the time, like because like on video, I think James on video and James off video are two different people, a little bit, a little bit. I think I just ramp up a little. You ramp up a little bit. yeah I mean, you're like one of the chillest dudes, but like you're so entertaining on camera, right? Yeah, I appreciate that. And and I think i'm I'm the same way. Like in my, like you get a camera in front of me or you put me into like a trade show and like I turn on. Yeah. I turn on and like, it's almost exhausting.
00:04:41
Speaker
Uh, yeah, you are going to trade shows and like work in the booth and stuff. Cause your, your energy is wild, you know, and it works really good in that setting. Like attack in the booth. I feel like that's like your bread and butter. You know what I mean? Whereas like for me, yeah, my ear, I think you're right. My bread and butter is like, all right, we're shooting on a mountain. I got six people that I'm like vibing with and throwing jokes back and forth with the camera running. That's like where I thrive, you know?
00:05:08
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I think everyone clicks differently. But I agree totally. like One thing I don't want to do is, and I've talked about this actually with like the people at Gohan, which I have like an affiliate deal with that's different than like my main sponsorships. But when I talk to them, it's interesting because all their films are super high production, super well polished. They're like films. you know And I tell companies out the gate, I'm like, look,
00:05:37
Speaker
That's not really what I do or strive to do. I want stuff to be like really raw and cut fast and in your face and like just not super cinematic, more of like a vlog. Not a vlog, but just like just like a riot of a time for 10, 20 minutes while you're watching. not Not like a film you get lost in, which is both are great.
00:05:58
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And I probably will do a film with them at some point that'll go on like their channel because I think it's cool to have stuff like that exist, you know, like, Oh yeah, I've done an actual film. Like that's cool. But most of our stuff, I want to be like raw and just entertaining. So I do agree that our content is, is different, you know, than almost anybody. And I think that's why, you know, guys like Cam are drawn to,
00:06:25
Speaker
Inviting someone like me to come on because you can get anyone to come on and he doesn't Do a ton of guys in in the hunting space to come on He does a handful but all of them if you look at like who he's had on Waddell or me or Levi Or elk shape like everyone kind of has their own thing and Like me and Waddell, I would say are kind of similar energy wise and we're both like pretty funny and kind of high energy. Then Dan of course relates to cam a lot on fitness and then Levi's the best shooter in the world. So like it it's, I just think that being unique and staying true to yourself as an influencer, if that's what you want to call it is going to get you so much further than trying to.
00:07:09
Speaker
be a clone of Donny Vincent or whatever, which Donny Vincent stole, but that's what he does. you know So like you shouldn't try to copy that and be like, oh, I think this is what brands want to see. No, brands want to see authenticity. you know I think that there is a switch to, like you'll see like a lot of my content is very, like you go on Instagram, is very raw and like just me, like I don't try to portray someone different.
00:07:37
Speaker
And actually, we filmed all of our hunts this year, so we're gonna have, I think, six hunting films. And they're not, like, high production videos. They are production, you know, produce videos. But, like, I'm not shooting giant stuff. Like, there's things, there's I miss things. It's all in there. Like, I did tell, either's there's one video I just did in, like, New Mexico. I just got my freaking butt kicked in. I'm on film, and I'm just like, I want everyone to know, like, I'm not a good hunter. Like, I mean, i ah um ah i would turn not good'm but I'm a good hunter. I'm just not, like, I am not at the level of,
00:08:07
Speaker
Brian Barney or Ryan Landen, I don't think I ever will be or rid me Warren, but I love hunting, but right? Like I passionately love shooting my bow, shooting my rifle, hunting with my friends, going out with you, doing things like, I love it. And like that's what I want to portray with my content is
Creating Engaging Authentic Content
00:08:22
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that. And I think that's more genuine, right? I think that we're seeing that a shift in the whole country in that and content, like from like this, like, you know, I've got a six pack and I'm benching 500 pounds and I,
00:08:35
Speaker
run up hills and kill things, kill giant bulls, to like, people wanna see like, the normal dudes as well. And like it's in like, that's what I feel like you portray is like, I could go hang out with James, I see that, and I'm like, I can go do that, I can go hang out with James, like he's not like, he's just a fun dude, and I think you don't enjoy it. Yeah, I agree, and I think even like, if you look at really big brands, like Nike or Red Bull, or you know, huge companies that make a lot of media, even some of those companies are starting to go towards raw hundred percent red Yeah, more raw, less produced. They'll still every once in a while bang out a crazy, you know, well-produced film, but oftentimes they're not going that direction. Whereas, you know, five years ago you wouldn't see anything from them that wasn't perfect, you know. And now I think people, I don't know, I just think maybe TikTok changed it of just people realizing that, you know,
00:09:30
Speaker
a 15 second video of someone dancing, all of a sudden they're like a huge mega star just from doing that every once in a while. like I just think it it showed that you can do things multiple different ways. There's more than one way to skin a cat. you know And I think even with the sponsors that I'm working with,
00:09:49
Speaker
you know in my contracts like we have like deliverables right where like I give them content that they can use on their their pages or whatever but what's funny is I'm not the same or even really similar at all to a lot of their other people that they have signed so like I'm not making the high quality crystal like perfect imagery and Perfect color and lighting and all this. Like I said, my stuff's filmed on a can can quarter. So I'm like, I'll give you the deliverables, but you're not going to use mine. Like, let's be realistic. They're not going to use it. But at the end of the month when all the, um, whatever.
00:10:25
Speaker
monthly numbers come back. like Our numbers are usually the highest you know like across all the platforms. So to me, i'm like if I was a brand side of me, I wouldn't ask for any deliverables. I would just go be like, use our stuff and all your content, which is what we do. you know So I think brands are having to almost learn along with us like how to use us because it's not the same as like other people's content. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's kind of been an interesting road. And for me, it's almost like, at least me personally, it's almost like a quantity over quality, sometimes a little bit with content. And then also like, just authentic stuff, like not big. I think people are starting to suss out like the fake stuff. Not for sure. Like, Oh, that's, that's, that's fake. That's not real. Yeah.
00:11:14
Speaker
like There's like a bunch of ads with like guys, like with elk antlers on their back. It's the same antlers in like five, four brands ads. It's like, I was the use for these things, right? Like, you know, the average dude is not shooting a 380 inch bowl every year. We might do it once in our lifetime, right? Like the average dude is out there shooting a rag horn, five by five bowl and like stoked on it. And I want that, like that's why I want people to understand like from my own films, like I want you to know like it's okay.
00:11:45
Speaker
Yeah. Like I just went to Colorado. We shot three bucks or all four by threes, biggest box, like one third, right? Like, but we have a fun time. And like, you know what I mean? Like you might go there and back on me and be like, Oh, you shot small deer, but it's like, we had a great time hunting, man. And like, that's what the average dude is doing. The average dude isn't like crazy hardcore. And like, I do do some hardcore stuff, like I'm not gonna lie, like it's hard to keep up with the nails, but.
00:12:09
Speaker
I'm not always killing giant things, and I want people to see that. I think people appreciate that, right? Yeah. I think Red Bull is a great example. like like you what Do you want cars and brown stuff? Who has a snowboarder? No, he's he's a motorcycle guy. but oh he's He's like race professionally, but like all he does now is like this buys like a junker, like 1990 Suzuki 400 something and race it, right? Or he does like, he races, he'll bring out like Ken Rocks and he'll race on the 80s, or 125s, like years old school, 125. And like, it's all he does is like that kind of content. It's not like Axel Hodges, but it's like this dude doing the stuff that like, I can go get a three wheeler and go race it, like that's fun. He's been having fun on dirt bike. I think people,
00:12:55
Speaker
ah Appreciate that. right like When you watch my stuff, I want you to know that I'm having fun hunting, and I'm enjoying it. I'm having fun shooting archery with my friends. I'm not the best shot. When I shoot with James, I hate shooting with James. The cricket is the most anal, line-calling SOB in the world. but like I'm having a great time shooting with James. I will never beat James through archery.
00:13:16
Speaker
Stab him. Yeah. way through it But I'm having just as much fun as James is. and I think people like that. and like I think that's what you get from yourself. I gotta watch it and stuff. It's like, dude, they're having fun and they're doing it right. Like you're out with Cameron Haynes. And you're making Cameron Haynes do things they can't even never do. oh dude Did you make Cameron Haynes do stupid, funny stuff? And I'm like, that is like really cool. Cause you have that vibe. and It's like, you're turning archery into something cool, right? Like you're creating, I mean, you're even creating games for archery.
00:13:43
Speaker
Oh dude, and those kill it, man. It's crazy. I wasn't too sure how they would do, but people love the games and I love them. Like when I go to a buddy's house and I know we're going to shoot, I always bring like either a golf game and beer parm or baseball, like one of them or a couple of them. And and well it's so much fun, dude. Like it makes you more focused because
Persistence in Brand Building
00:14:04
Speaker
I would say if you can add an element of competition to something, you're going to be a little more tuned in, you know, whereas if you're just like shooting dots, that's good too. But it's not.
00:14:14
Speaker
when and when when it's like there's something to be won or lost, you're gonna push harder. At least I never wanna lose. So, you know, the games make it fun in that way. And yeah, I don't know, like it's it's it's just been fun, you know? And I do think it's cool that, you know, you're local and I'm local and we're both kind of like, I mean, we're pretty mainstream now as far as like in the in the space, you know? Which is kind of neat if you think about it because Like we're not close. Like we're not, we're certainly not in a hot bed for hunting. No, we're not in Iowa, you know, like we're not in Iowa. We're not in Utah. We're not in Kansas, like these really big hunting States for, for whatever type of animal. And you know, the same can be said about cam. Like he's made it to probably the biggest guy and he's from Oregon. Oregon's not elite for hunting, you know, so you can kind of make it from,
00:15:09
Speaker
from anywhere and I think that both of us kind of can prove that. And that's one thing that's always important to me now in the content is I always really want to make sure that kids know like say they're 16 and they love hunting and they really like would say, and it would be cool to like make a living doing content for hunting and like make that work somehow. I always want kids to know like, Hey, I'm proof that it can work, you know, from, from An area where it shouldn't work. If you live in Nevada or New Mexico or something, you got no excuse, but you can make it work. You know, I was telling my wife, like, I have a lot, right? Like I do catch some flack. Like I'm trying to make up for right now. I went to the desert for four days last week. We could do five days this week, the desert, like trying to make up for it. I'm gone. I think four or five days in the field so far. And, uh, like I cannot imagine.
00:16:05
Speaker
like living in Idaho or Montana. I'm like, dude, I would kill. I feel like this is me just, thought I feel like I killed you every year. So I actually could like get out and like learning in an area like that. Like for me, like all my hands are like, I'm going in, I got to figure it out within a certain amount of time and then get out of there. Right. And like, that's so hard not that way. Like, man, I could not imagine living like I spent I think eight days in the field is here in San Diego. I saw probably 60 does and four spikes, not one legal buck. Like dude, such a hard place to hunt public land in San Diego, right? And I hunt as hard as anyone else, I class as hard as anyone else. And dude, it's freaking tough hunting here.
00:16:45
Speaker
But we can do it, and like people people are shocked. like I do get some freaking A-holes, like California, I'm not going to support Tri-Star. It's just like, they just shut up. Like literally, like you look at that map, like you've Trump just won. Like all the countries, right? It's like there's no blue spots. California is the same way. The whole state's red, it's just like these couple cities that are blue, right? yeah like l LA, San Francisco, San Diego, where's Bennett? Honestly, I don't know if everyone leaves San Diego.
00:17:09
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's interesting. Like in some ways I'm drawn to it. I think I may for like a year at a time for a while, maybe like while I don't have kids or anything, maybe do like a year in Arizona and do like a year in Idaho, something like that. Oh, that's what i I would do. I would do six months, six months a year in Arizona to skip my lifetime. It's well worth it. So worth well worth it. Yeah. So something like that I could see do it. But yeah, my point is, I don't know. I just think that I have had a lot of people ask me for help on like how to become you know get sponsors or make money doing videos or content or whatever and I'll tell them like the exact blueprint here's how you do it and what I've learned is most people do not have
00:17:58
Speaker
the consistency or persistence to pull it off. I'll tell them what to do and they might execute for like a week and then it falls off. I've executed for six years straight, you know, never falling off, not one time. And in fact, we've created more and more and more as time has gone on, it's gotten more. ah So I think that, well, like,
00:18:23
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what you're doing, what I'm doing, it's not necessarily special.
Investing in Product Development
00:18:27
Speaker
It's just we're like persistent and didn't stop. Whereas like so many people stop, they might have an idea for a cool product like you did with the track pod, but it only never makes it off phase one, you know, and it needs that persistence to get to stage 20. By the time you start, it starts to work. It's the same thing with anything, whether it's content or even hunting, like you got to follow the steps to the end.
00:18:51
Speaker
you know Oh, 100%. I mean, that's the main reason why companies don't succeed and people don't succeed in life is they're not willing to just get their neck kicked in. For sure. like It's like your teeth kicked in. like Even with my content, I don't even have a thousand subscribers on YouTube. yet I put out 400 videos. yeah Oh, dude. I'm getting there. It's going to start taking it off. I know it will. But I'm going to consistently put it on there. But when it comes to companies, like I've seen this before in a pod. like My but pastor always says like it wasn't pretty illusion at the time we get done.
00:19:20
Speaker
Right. Cause like when you have illusion, you have these illusions of like, what tries, I'm going to build this awesome view, shiny company. It's going to be huge. But then when you start doing it, like, it's like, wow, this is really hard. Wow. And it's, it's, you almost have to get to a point of no return where it's like, okay, I can go back right now and get back in my bed and sleep.
00:19:39
Speaker
or I can just keep pushing forward and and there's no room to get back. There's not enough gas in the tank to get back, right? Like you yeah you have to push, like once you get to that point of like, there's a point in your gas tank where it's like, I can stop now or I can keep going. If I keep going, I have to make it to another gas station. Exactly. And that's what people don't want to do and they don't like w risk, right? And I'm like- Oh, risk is the main thing. I'm the opposite, like I love risk. Me too. i'm like I'm like, what's do is do it, do it, do it, push, push, push, and like,
00:20:03
Speaker
I've been such a psychopath with new products, right? Like, I think we have 15 or 400 new products this year. I don't even know. I should count how many products we have in new products. But, and then, like, I could literally have stopped at the first three tripods, and now I've already got, like, I'm making huge investments in the PRS space. I mean, like, I'd be embarrassed so much when we were investing into machinery to make these new hexagon-like tripods we're making and doing it.
00:20:25
Speaker
and they won't be out for six months around to put all this money into it. But like I know that if I do that, like it's just going to get bigger. I'm just a psycho like that. Mentally, like I'm like over launching stuff. like I love making hunting i love big counting products, but i'm like now I want this PRS. All I want to do is I shop PRS match yesterday. yeah I want to design these products and the new hunting bipod. And like, I wanted like, I'm never content. Yeah, no, dude. No, me neither. And that's what successful people are. They're never content. They always want to grow and build and design. Because like, if I start building like these new PRS tripods, it's actually leading to our new cavity lineup that's coming out. And then we're going to make, I'm going to work with another guy in the industry. We're designing a custom tripod coming out of the PRS tripods for hunting, glassing. So like, you have to constantly be evolving and pushing and pushing and pushing.
00:21:14
Speaker
and you have to just be a lunatic like that like i was like it's just It's not, I don't think it's normal the way I work in that, but it's fun. Well, you know, I mean, I think that the two things that you need more than anything to be successful in anything that's not just like a standard job, you know, and not to hate on anyone as a standard job, that's great too. But I think to make it what you're doing or what I'm doing, that's like an actual business entrepreneurship is you need insane persistence and you need
00:21:47
Speaker
lack or at least the ability to push through fear over and over and over and fail time and time and time and time again and just keep getting up because you're absolutely right although my company you know is Not so much based on selling things as yours is. Mine's more based on the assignments. Yeah, we're going to get you to sell stuff. We're going to have a bonus apples line of products at some point. Yeah. yeah crush it So we're selling, like our website is doing good numbers with our targets, our merch, release straps, stickers. Like it does good numbers, but what I've learned is to grow my website, which next year, my goal was to double the website again. This year it did triple what it did last year.
00:22:26
Speaker
um So far What I've learned is just like you said, although I'm at a smaller level website wise than Tricer is I Every single time I make an investment to put new stuff on the website every time it's like I'm putting out more money and each time I'm like running my buttons down to like where I'm like, I don't want to go much lower but every single time it's like When you flip the switch and the revenue comes back in, it's so funny because as soon as it comes back in, I'm like, all right, what are we making next? And then I just put it right back out, you know? And I think that's that's that's a great trade to have. I try to do the same way, right? Like I get a salary, that's it. Like we don't take any dividends. And up until this year, I didn't get paid. Until May, I wasn't paid. So we just spent five years or four years just dumping money back in the company, right? And losing money, honestly, in the first couple of years, just like losing it. Right.
00:23:18
Speaker
and crazy more California is like, I may have to be taxes on that too. So like we just keep investing in products. I keep a taxes on it. So because the inventories kind of towards that, but it's a willingness to do that, right? To keep the money back into it and grow. That makes your company bigger, right? And it's just,
00:23:34
Speaker
it's plus It's fun like I like it's I did it like a weird just in this build your film, right? I forgot I said this but they I just watched build your film this morning. So come on January by the way ah break it three It's really good watch it on YouTube So check it out so So so um They asked, the guy asked me, oh, he's like, you know, what, what are you, what are you, what do you see? Tricer going, what's your goals for Tricer? And I think he was expecting me to like talk about like, um and I was just like, honestly, my goals for Tricer is just to continue to develop great products that enable me to have a lifestyle that I want to have with my family and ministries. Right. And like, that's kind of my goal with all this stuff. Like it's not like, I think the money is not what motivates me at all. Like the money doesn't motivate me. Like honestly, like I've content with the money I make.
00:24:23
Speaker
And like, I live in just like an old 70 year old house and I'm happy with that. Like, as long as I have a truck and I have money and I pee with my kids and go ride dirt bikes, like I'm content. Yeah, you're good. And have freedom of your time. And the freedom of my time, that's the most, with traction, the most valuable thing to me is my freedom of my time. Oh, dude. Right. And like now, like, it's like, it's Monday morning. I'm chilling with you. We're recording at nine 30 on a Monday. And like that, like I spent 25 years working for my dad 10 hours a day. I mean, there's somewhat seven days a week just grinding.
00:24:53
Speaker
yeah And like the last like nine months, I've got to have this job now where I can, I am traveling a lot. It's been hard on my marriage, hard on my kids. Like I'm trying to balance that. I'm trying to learn that part of this site. Cause like when I'm going into times, you're going to shows, like I'm not with my family, right? Even though we're going to do cool stuff, like I'll live in Hawaii for a month next year. Like I'm still going to have to do stuff in between. You can just do one month for your kids in two months off, right? But like my goal for training freedom And like that's what people, that's what should be scary for my competitors. like We're not like a big firm where we have to like show numbers. like I'm just like, just keep investing in the company. like Whatever, keep doing it. cause like i I don't need any more money. and i don't really I'm never gonna be a dude who like buys like me like giant like crazy Mercedes. and It's never gonna to be me. yeah This is not who I am. All I want is to buy, like the only thing I want, I don't spend money like at all. you're not I'm super frugal. right
00:25:48
Speaker
But i do want to like my plan is to grow bow disciples, keep growing it bigger and bigger and bigger, and grow each revenue stream, but also get more people into the sport. There's always a number one thing, get more people into archery, whether they hunt or not, to realize that you can shoot a bow and have a lot of fun. That's like the main goal with that. right Revenue wise is just to grow all my main sources. So that's discount codes sponsors that pay monthly add Revenue and our website and our event so five things really grow all those and then as I get more more and more Funds is just to buy more and more rental properties in other states. That's like my personal goal, right? so
00:26:35
Speaker
You can't do that without, you know, money and earnings. So obviously it's important. And one thing that thinks a little bit goofy about being in my space is.
00:26:46
Speaker
you like If someone gets offered a promotion at their job from one department to another department, say they make 20% more money to to switch departments, every employee is going to do that. They're going to go, yeah, okay, I'll switch. But in my space, if I sign with, if I, you know, save a sign, we'll use arrows for an example, because it just happened, right?
00:27:09
Speaker
I had been working with this company, DCA, who I love, have nothing but good things to say, love the arrows, ran them for like a year and a half. And then I switched to a company, Victory Arrows, that could pay more and they're bigger and they're local, right? The problem when you're in Myspace, people go, oh, look at this guy. He just does it for money. And I'm like, first of all, no, like.
00:27:35
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i Like DCA a lot and we tried to make it work, but they said they're like, you know what James? We really appreciate all you've done for us But that level was just a little too big for us and we just can't go there and we're like, okay So we're kind of left with okay. I'm gonna go shoot for victory and victory again one of the top aer companies are bit but They're amazing arrows, right? So I switched to victory but my point is People look at it go. Oh, well you were just pushing DCA and now all of a sudden you're with Victory. And I'm like, it's such a dumb way to look at it. It's not like I just switched willy nilly. It's like, no, I put a lot of thought into it and ultimately made the best decision for me and my life as well as the people that follow
Equipment and Innovations
00:28:20
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us. I know that Victory makes a good product. So it's like, I'm not letting them know. Much more readily available. Much more. To everyone across the country. To everyone across the country. You can join any boat in our shop and buy Victory. Yeah.
00:28:30
Speaker
Yeah but I just think that to me that's goofy because again in any other space like let's just say you're a pool cleaner and you switch from cleaning pools in the field to they offer you 30% more money to work in the office and sign clients. No one's gonna go oh my gosh he wasn't loyal to the pool cleaners because he left and you know it's I just don't get that point of view.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah, but you're never gonna get out of it. Like, it's just people suck, right? I mean, it's just people are gonna say things and do things. I was actually having this conversation with my kid. My kid had had some issues with some kids from school. He had said something and somehow they interpreted it as him being racist, but he wasn't, he's not a racist kid at all. And he's like, oh, offended. And he's like, these kids are picking on me like for this, like, you know, I'm unhappy. And I'm like, dude, like, none of that matters. Like, especially in high school. Like, none of that matters. Actually, I have the most... It doesn't. I actually pulled up on Facebook pages and some people went off to high school. I was like, check this guy out now. Yeah.
00:29:25
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It's like none of these people like 20 years from now matter, but like if on the internet the same way people are gonna talk crap, but like I mean honestly just genuinely like that's rad you can do victory and you're actually gonna probably be way more successful at victory than you were at TCA because like they are readily available. You can go and pick them up. I'm actually curious if you're gonna find some children with microdiameter error like the rest of the world. So I'm gonna shoot a 204 for my hunting setup, the HLRs. I haven't had them built yet. Is that a 5mm?
00:29:53
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It's 204, so yeah, I think it's... a I think, I don't even know. It's smaller than you were shooting. I think, yeah, it's definitely smaller. It's smaller than you're shooting, yeah. It's definitely smaller. Yeah, I have i have' them at home. I've just got to get them built out. So I have those, and then for my target rigs, I've got a target bow, finally, which I've wanted forever. I'm shooting a 27, so the big old, big thick one. Yeah, so that's pretty fun. My target rig, I've got to say, I've got to say so.
00:30:18
Speaker
I've wanted to get in, I've wanted to get a target bow for like my whole life, right? But they're, again, you know, I don't really spend money, and they're expensive, right? They're very expensive, but I also did a deal with Bowtech, so I have like, they're now one of my, actually my biggest sponsor, or one of them for sure. ah And in my contract I get a target rig, right? And I was like, oh dude, I can't wait. So I've been shooting this target bow,
00:30:46
Speaker
And it's so I'm shooting with a 6-power lens in the scope, so like it's got 6x magnification. What's interesting is people think they go, oh, if you're shooting a target boat with these huge bars and stabilizers, like that thing is going to be so steady. But when you're looking through 6-power lens, it moves a lot more, right, because the magnification.
00:31:08
Speaker
So an added bonus that I never thought of is when you set down the target bow and then pick up and go shoot your hunting bow, dude, it's like that pin doesn't move at all. It just sits like a rock because you don't have the magnification anymore. And also your front shoulder, the target bow is so heavy that shooting it a lot makes your front shoulder so much stronger and have better like stabilization that when you go to the hunting bow, it's like,
00:31:37
Speaker
It's like you were swinging a baseball bat with a donut in the on deck circle and then take the donut off. Are you going to shoot through to you with this target bow? Uh, so yeah, so like if I do real tournaments, like, cause I do plan to do some like real competitive pro tournaments this year for that, I'll use the target bow, uh, for fun stuff around here, probably not too often. Um, but then I'll do indoor as well. Let me tell you an issue with this. Cause I did this with this kid, Lucas, puppet I did the Western Hong Kong with my lampers this year.
00:32:06
Speaker
That was like a squad leader. His kids never shot 3D in his life. He came out here from like Iowa or something, right? Never seen a mountain. And he's shooting these like those side those giant arrows. Dude, you get every freaking line of arrows. He ended up shooting the same score as Brian Barnum. Like he shot a two, I know the number, it's like 227. It was just like crazy. Cause I was like a 180. This guy shot a 207 cause he hit.
00:32:35
Speaker
every flip in line. every love There's no big arrow. There's micro arrow people tell you that you should just micro arrow the tournaments. I know you lose a couple. You lose a couple, dude, because you just don't get that line. And like, you get that thing, you know, over a quarter inch thick. Oh, dude, it's big. It's like shooting a telephone pole, dude. It is. And that's, that's freaking rad. But I'm telling you, it the target bow, it may, it, it for sure will make people better shooters with their hunting bow if they shoot a target bow as well. There's no doubt about it. However, the doing the main thing is like,
00:33:06
Speaker
that for both companies target both sales are like less than 10%. So small. Yeah, it's not many, right? But I'm excited for it. It's a whole new wing of content for us to like, you know, because I it's all good. Do you like Vegas? Yeah, probably. I probably will. Yeah, you should talk to Joel and see what he's doing. about Yeah, yeah, Joel's a man. So oh, yeah, I did a video with Joel to two of them. I forgot about that. But uh,
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know, man. Yeah. You should do a video with both of them fun. I've been trying. It's getting cold and teeth to get them to film. But yeah, I'll get them to do it. Because that kid can shoot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think he'll be the one that beats you. Yeah. Well, I'm doing a video with Paige beer soon, too. Yeah. And she's a world champ. So that'll be fun. But she shoots for bow tech as well. So that'll be pretty cool. And then Yeah, the other companies I'm working with this year, I feel like it's kind of a... What's the wrap-up of BoTech? I mean, you were talking about BoTech, because it wasn't planning with lawyers once a year. No, no, but it's just coming up. So you've been super low on BoTech. Yeah, I shot him for 20 years. If you're an influencer, you're going to shit Hoyt or Mathis. Yeah. And you've been super low on BoTech. I had a BoTech, I wish to have Hoyt this year, last year, but great books, phenomenal books. Yeah. And now you've got this
00:34:27
Speaker
is pretty big deal with these guys. And you've been shooting their new bow, how's their new bow? Yeah, it's the proven 34. It's actually based very closely to what you should. This is 34 very similar. But they added time lock to it, which is like you can adjust your timing out in the field with just an Allen wrench. And then the grip lock where you can adjust your grip without because on yours you have to buy different grips this one you can just adjust the pitch of the grip right on the boat. Exactly, yeah it just has two screws and then a screw that like pushes the grip in and out. So you don't have to rotate your wrists
00:35:02
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down good i know i'm always gonna have to like do like this yeah i'm push my wrist forward a little bit yeah i sure my bow yeah said we Yeah, you can just adjust the pitch wherever you want and then other than that, yeah, I don't know It's a little bit faster. It's great bow super stable um And yeah, it's good. so And then they're still carrying the core SR which I shot last year. So but yeah, no, it's cool deal um took a long time to get finished, you know, but ah We got her finished so stoked on that I went and did a factory tour and their factories very yeah very impressive. Oh, I didn't say I
00:35:38
Speaker
It was much larger than I anticipated. Like, I didn't think it would be that big. It's it's huge. Like, huge, huge. I think it's like 60,000 square feet. I mean, there's they're like, probably one of the dudes because of Bo. They gotta to be probably like, I would think like the third or fourth biggest Bo company would be my guess. Matthews is probably the biggest, then Hoyt, and then I'm guessing like, PSE and BoTek are probably like, right there right there. I would guess. But yeah, I mean Matthews,
00:36:06
Speaker
sold a ton of lifts last year and they're going to sell a ton more this year. So I definitely think they've made the biggest gains like sales wise if I had to guess the last two years. But yeah, so you got that deal and then I did a deal with Beast Broadheads and Bombardier. Yeah. Yeah. Josh is the man. So that got that deal finished up with his broadheads. Yeah. What'd you think? Unreal. Yeah. like like So I would say my only gripe with them is like putting it on my quiver. I popped them up. I didn't do that. And they're not like, Josh just grabs them, puts them back. It scares the hell out of them. That's one thing I don't like. I wish there was a way to like kind of lock that out, but like performance wise, super accurate. I mean, like, I literally like my viewpoint. Like I'm not like, I'm shooting sever the end of those and they both shoot very, very similar, but I should have paid with them, dude. And it was like a four on troll coming out. I went through the front shoulder.
00:37:04
Speaker
Uh, and out, like kind of through the guts, like in a quarter to end is drop this pick and it is a giant, it was yeah crazy. John. And yeah, I like that. they I mean, I think the other gripe I see often is the price. Like they're a little steep, but I do like that you get a practice tip with them do yeah because I think that's valuable. I think that's like an overlooked thing. Like I i liked when the rage.
00:37:28
Speaker
came with practice tips. I don't know if they do anymore. These come with one, yeah. I'd buy them too. But I like that, you know. So I did that one and then we got a deal with... Can you show anything with those boots, Ryan? Yeah, Coos Deered this year. I shot that big Coos buck. Okay. What did you actually heard during the...
00:37:44
Speaker
No, not yet. She's running them now, but she was running the Magnus Stinger for her outcome She's only shooting 45 pounds, you know, so the Magnus Stinger is shaped like a spear. So Yeah, and they penetrate really well, so it's really fine with the mechanical and I'm actually really excited to see her get something with one. The thing with those broadheads is it doesn't take much to put them open. So like you shoot them forward and I'm not shooting them all day long. Yeah, for sure. So you, Dr. Goodger, you're a blood-trolling insane, right?
00:38:13
Speaker
actually not really, but it's just because of my shot placement. So I hit it through the front shoulder. It was quarter to me and my broad head ended up in the back hip. So I shot it straight through like a shish kebab from one shoulder to the opposite side. And it kept the arrow. He kept the arrow and he, by I mean, he was dead in 20 seconds. Yeah. so it's so equipment the end day Yeah. just does that Yeah. Yeah. The hunt's out. It's a,
00:38:38
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it's pretty POV like it's kind of grungy, but I really like the video like it's filmed all through a phone scope, you know, really, really far out. and oh you kill yeah no bad i also like put there day to shoot it yeah yeah it shows you coming in cause you're it's cool to you get i kind of narrrate it yeah so it was It was cool. One of the most bitchin stocks I've done, I mean, I shot embedded at 32 yards. Yeah, took me like three hours to get in there and spotting stocks like what I do is what I think I'm best at so it's always fun to like really get out there and test myself especially with the cos deer you know really wey animal so That was pretty, pretty cool. But yeah, beast did great. And I still haven't shot anything like a true just rib cage to rib cage like yet. So I'm excited because I got a few hunts coming up. Go deer hunting this weekend. Go deer hunting this weekend. Got A22 and then Arizona. So I got a lot of hunts coming up. So I'm hoping to just do a classic cookie cutter broadside through the, through the side and see what it can do. so it's gonna work
00:39:44
Speaker
Did you use the 2.3 or the two inch? Do you remember? I had the two inch. Two inch, yeah. So I'm running, I'm going to run the 2.3s, dude. Oh, they're huge, dude. I had the two inch because I was shooting, like I said, pigs and elk with them. It's always like, I just got the two inch, and then it's going to work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, we did Beast Broadheads and then Victory and then... Are you going to go back and hang out, Josh? Yeah. Yeah. We've talked text a lot. We got some video ideas, so we're going to do some stuff back up.
00:40:14
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either in Iowa where he lives or like a third party state where we have some pretty cool ideas that we might do. So like a state that neither of us live in. I was actually really, this is just like me, right? Like, yeah, I don't know why, like I talked able to do it to me. And then I did Josh, I was like, Oh, this guy's gonna be like a narrative brick. And I got to meet him and hang out with him. And I was like,
00:40:36
Speaker
This guy is so cool. yeah these' guys so cool like I don't know why, I don't know, I shouldn't say it. I was like, you see him, you're like, oh, this guy is going to be this like, I don't know. I missed my perception. of This guy's totally different. Like right got any music to the coolest guy, the nicest guy, yeah super friendly. And like, like, hey, let me help you out with that. Like it's like, just like a different.
00:40:55
Speaker
Yeah, big time, big time now. But yeah, he'll call me sometimes and we'll just talk on the phone for like 30 minutes, you know, like he's just a
Sponsorships and Collaborations
00:41:03
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normal dude. And I don't know why he will do it to me. And like, yeah, he's just, yeah, this is normal dude. Yeah. Normal dude. He loves to go hunting and he's jacked.
00:41:11
Speaker
It makes good products like the nose button as as simple as it is, is a great product. I mean, it's just such a simple way to get a good anchor and anything that can make your anchor better and get you there faster is going to make you better. like And that's a product I do have some product ideas that I finally have come up with that I think will help to get a different way. And then our our our last but one sponsor that I'm potentially going to finish up And then the other one is Kawasaki, which is kind of wild. I mean, but yeah, James got a... I did, yeah. So Kawasaki Ridge, dude, it's unbelievable. I'm here by the force. It's got frigging roll-up windows, AC. It's got a whole sound system, like it's absurd. A car. Nav, yeah, the whole deal. Winch, like everything, it's crazy.
00:42:02
Speaker
They don't make a four-seater yet, but I know now, but I'm guessing they will next year. I've been looking at like the Honda, something or another, but the cow is sweet. Oh, dude. It's so nice. Yeah. You want to come try it. It's like, ah well, you need to come to desert with me. I should. I should. like five hundred Oh, I do want to try. you you go by three on no I do want to try the 500. It's scary. It's so scary. It makes you feel very young. Is it way faster to 450? It's so fast. It's scary. Like you can't ride it to as a disability.
00:42:31
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Oh yeah. but like For like, I'm faster on a 450 or a 300, like I'm faster through the desert, right? But I'm not as fast as on that one. I can like, for a short distance, go very fast. yeah But it's just so much my whole body's rattling. And like, it's like you're trying to hold on. It's just, such do you just feel like the the whole thing's just gyrating. I don't understand. Versus like my 350, my 300, it's kind of more of a cruise or.
00:42:57
Speaker
Oh, it's, you're, you're almost dogging like a, yeah. I'm going to pull off the topic right now, but like when you ride this thing through to do this stuff, you're all, I was trying to shift a lot. I mean, like more so, you just want to keep it like second and third and just ride the clutch. You know what I mean? So it's kind of like, it wasn't a dog at like a crew. You know what I mean? Yeah. Cause it doesn't like, it doesn't like to shift too much. Yeah. Right. So it's, it's just a really cool bike. I'm going to get better at it. I got it right. I blew the state around on it or the.
00:43:21
Speaker
coil out on it right in front of camp. So I bought a new coil. We put it on today and get it started again. And it's just such a classic bike, you know? It's one of classic. Yeah. Oh, and it's like, it's like that. I'm big on like, uh, dude magnet stuff. Like you think you've got these bikes and make a chip magnet. that this is Oh yeah. Every dude sees this bike. Whoa. Cause you can just hear it. It's sound. Totally off topic. So the Kawasaki is freaking sick. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So anyway, let's bring that over to our trip, dude.
00:43:50
Speaker
Sure, sure. We're going to do a boat samples treasure coyote trip. Yeah. I'm in. Yeah, i we'll just go out and miss hammer Kyle's for like this, like three days in there. Let's do it. Sounds fun to me. I'm in. and like it tends a good content with the with the county For sure. Yeah, let's do it. I'm in on that. My schedule, like I said, after January is pretty open. I've been i've trying to schedule like all my collaborations for videos like February and March, because I know that's when I have it. Right now is the best time of the year. It's like,
00:44:25
Speaker
It's so hard for me like to go hunt birds. yeah coyotes like is this like If I have a deer tag, but I pretty much always have a deer tag, yeah at some point, especially when you get to A22, it's hard for me to like not want to go look for deer yeah and do that. I'm going down to like, man, I want to go hunt deer. Dude, isn't the A22 a sick tag? It's a cool tag. I mean, you can hunt for four months. I love that it's either sex, because we have a lot of does.
00:44:52
Speaker
And it's like, it's so cool. The other day I was out glassing, and ah I glassed up. So like my dad glassed up a dough, then then I glassed up three doughs, and then I glassed up another dough, and then Tim glassed up a dough like right behind us. Yeah, like close. It was like 300 yards he finds this dough. Wind's blowing right at my face. She goes over this little thing. I go, dude, I could go shoot this dough so easily right now.
00:45:18
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And I was, Tim's like, no, you can't shoot the hell when I was like, okay. Like he's playing around. So i he was like, he's like, just take your camera over there and see how close he can get. So I go over there. I got like 15 yards from her meadow. Yeah. Then she bounded off to like 45 yards and just stood there broadside and I'm filming it. And then she bounded off. You can get those things to stop pretty good. I mean, like, especially someone without some of us, I'm like, those aren't, they're not super scared to do.
00:45:45
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know of humans. right I don't know what it is, but I think it's everything it every state. They're kind of like, oh, whatever. They're kind of mellow. yeah no Real mellow. and yeah so I don't really need me. We so we killed so many deer. I think we killed that. That's me. I don't really need to shoot a doe. It's like getting out. Oh yeah, getting out. That's great. it's but If I met like could say i've like sound like my like I might a doe, that'd be fun.
00:46:08
Speaker
Just to do it. And honestly, I probably just give the meat to somebody. I got a bunch of friends who want meat. I give away a lot of meat, you know, and I need to give away more, but I give away a lot of meat. And yeah, I don't know. I recently started getting my meat processed at this place, Ranch Smokehouse. Have you ever been there? It's like right over in Melkone or something. No, I do. It's great. I do it myself here, but then I also use Elaine. Elaine, that's her. Yeah, she's the best. She's the best.
00:46:37
Speaker
She dogged me. I'd bring her so much business and I had two deer and I'm like, Elaine, what did she like? i'm taking too yeah but I I had no problems with my own deer. I used to process everything, but like she's just so cool. You'd bring her over there and she knocked it off and she knocked it out. i' like i was good prices too good prices I was so back to back to back with Hunt's that I was like a couple of times I just dropped them off of her and kind of do them because I couldn't It's a process to do a deer. It's a day, it's just half a day to do a deer. You make a mess and it's just like, I don't have a dedicated butchering area. She's hanging a deer, and she's great. I think that's great. Here in San Diego, don't use her because she got too busy, but don't use her. If you're in San Diego and you want to know who this butcher is, it's me, your deer. She's out there off the board, out of the turner kit, out of the garage.
00:47:25
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Just the coolest people. Really good meat too, dude. Dude, she crushes it. Yeah. Did he come back all packaged? Yeah. Packed him down is great. um I'm very hustled and I've used him a lot of times. I've used him for probably four or five times now. It was funny, I had my Coosdeer I had in there and I was gone on the elk hunt and I literally just came back and traded her an elk for my famous Coosdeer, you know, like just a swab. That was like 120 bucks for a Coosdeer. Yeah, something like that. I just milled her there, it was like 220 bucks.
00:47:54
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She's done and out the door and I was already, I did his, you know, left for New Mexico because I came back and that year was done and yeah they busted it out. So yeah, she's she's freaking great. I love her. There's other shops in town that I've used that I wasn't impressed with and she's just, she's great. She's been, I think Bishers is pretty good too but Bishers is more expensive. But yeah, she's great and yeah, I definitely suggest going to them. You got the Cowie.
00:48:22
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yeah got the cow, which I'm going to, we're going to go out there and put some pinstripes on. I'm going to take it. I got some spots. A lot of, a lot of coyotes and still have to do something like a dog bone sucks. It'll be earlier. though We kind of pop up and or a bear up. So what was the fifth sponsor?
00:48:39
Speaker
I only got those four signs so far and then I got a fifth one that I probably working a go hunt like pretty exclusively now Yeah, go on as one of my affiliate sponsors So I push a coupon code same with Tricer and then podium Archer calm Those are the only three I do codes where you're actually selling myself on your website now. Yeah. Yeah um just cool Which is cool. Yeah, and so those are the only three codes I used to have a few more but I really don't want to have more than like Maybe two to three codes moving forward. So basically those will be my three and then Yeah, Motec beast Kawasaki and Victory and entry Yeah, Kawasaki was that to you? Kind of I mean I sent their media kit out my media pack to him and then yeah, we got it done actually fast a lot of times these deals take a
00:49:34
Speaker
months for me to get them finished. Dude, you got us side by side. I know. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. But we got that deal done quick. Like it was crazy. I think it was from our first time talking to the deal finished was like a week.
00:49:45
Speaker
yeah i need it never happen tell you talk because I'm going to buy some sort of side by side this year because I got a new truck. I don't want to destroy it. yeah So I'm going to tow a side by side with my trucks. I can go destroy the side by side. So I don't care about the side by side. It's like my truck, the new one, it's like, it's nice and it's getting wrapped. i'm just like I had my own, well, you see my own drug. Oh yeah. It's just been- Clap that food. It's just, yeah I mean, like, I've had guard rooms. I've done like, like a little joke. I was on Elkhart last year and I'm like trying to drink my coffee in the morning. I rode a guard rail all the way around the church. Oh geez. I mean, like, I've just, it's really the best. I've busted the front end on it twice, the front differential twice, I cracked it. yeah I ripped the bumper off that truck. i'm just
00:50:34
Speaker
I don't care. Yeah, like you guys like these like these like heard the Lord keeps you're like I'm just like That is messy. That's like the such a game changer about the side-by-sides do this like There's so much smoother than a truck or a Jeep on a trail. And there's so much, uh, also smoother and quieter and warmer than a quad. So it's like for the heat one, which is crazy. It's got AC too. Yeah. So I, think to so it's nice because I always say the more time you can save hunting is so valuable because it's buying you a little bit of sleep on the front and back end.
00:51:17
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and like the same trail that you might drive to a glassing spot with the side by side versus driving it with the Ford F150. I mean, dude, it's like, you're saving hours of time on both ends, you know, and to me, that's so valuable. So it's a cool tool. And and honestly, like my style of hunting, I do go to backcountry like backpack stuff. Yeah, they also like to be mobile, right? So I kind of save myself for that. So like,
00:51:43
Speaker
I'm sitting in my truck up toward my, I have a camper show coming in right now that's gonna pop up on top, like a whole like overland style camper. I like to be able to like pack up camp real quick and move 15 miles from camp, 20 miles and move across. Like it's twice this year I did that in a bid off, bid off for me, right? And I've done it in multiple times in the past where I've ended up killing animals by moving, you know, 50 miles across the unit or this you actually move units unit in their Colorado. We didn't kill a bull, but we were getting on top of a bull and moving six hours.
00:52:13
Speaker
away versus having to be like my wall tent. Am I throwing my wall tent out? You're stuck there. I mean, it's like moving a wall tent sucks. It takes a lot of time. So I'm kind of thinking like if I could do, you know, side by side with my truck and be mobile in that sense, cause like I like being able to drive into a spot and hike in two or three miles. That's very, for myself, I think it works really well for me. Like I don't have to necessarily hike in eight miles and camp there. If I could get to a spot and hike in two miles in the morning,
00:52:42
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you know my yeah that yeah You're far enough off the road, like when my son killed his buck this year, the big buck, we were a mile in. There was both sides of us a mile away, but no one could see this candidate. So we are only mobile and do that. And I find it's a very good way to like, you get pigeonholed, right? You get a backpack on it. We backpack kind of the first three days that I had you guys watch the film and we ended up in a nursery. And so we're back there in this burn and there should be giant bucks everywhere and we're, there's not.
00:53:12
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and we're kind of pigeonholed into this area, because you can only go so far from that area yeah right versus getting out there and then moving around with it, then look, oh, we found these bucks. yeah like So like when you're able to be mobile with that side by side, and especially like where we hunt a lot of Arizona stuff, it's so rotted out. Anyways, there's not really a ton of backpack hunting in Arizona. I mean, there is. But why do you get away with like, it's plus the weather's great too. like You can get away with just parking and hiking in a mile or two and then getting away from people and finding out. Well, you know, I think that The cool part about having some sort of machine or an e-bike that's off-road capable is you can drive, you know, you can access areas on roads that then you can hike from that like people in their trucks can't even get to where you left from. You know what I mean? So just unlocks more possibilities and time. That's the biggest thing. Like I'm in Colorado and we killed three deer in three days. It was, I have never seen more of that in my life. Oh yeah, Colorado, Utah. I love it. It wasn't enjoyable. I wouldn't do the hunting again. Yeah. And when I get a siren, I'm not going to be using it. These people, you'll see five dudes in a truck wearing orange just rolling around the roads with like a line, almost like a traffic jam. Driving around the unit, looking for, oh, it's crazy. And I'm not going to get to tell you that for that reason. Corona, I don't like road hunting.
00:54:36
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But I do like being a little more mobile now. Even locally in San Diego, I find myself getting on a knob, glass in 30 minutes, and then walking 100, 200 yards in class again. Because the deer densities are so low. Yeah, and each time you move a couple hundred yards, you're unlocking them. I find a lot of deer that way, locally. like like Even with the salmon side, it's local, there's lots of hunting. You can drive you know some of these roads, to get up in class.
00:55:01
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a couple of hours off in glass in these canyons, because like it's just in low deer density units, it's, it's key to be mobile. Like I find it, even in Arizona, some of my stuff over there, like, if I'm mobile a little bit more, like a glass, you know, sometimes it's just so many deer, you can get on and off in glass. Like when I was in Colorado, it was like, you could throw a rock at any deer and where you looked. Like it was like, you get up there and I'd sit down by glass for five hours and I'd find a buck, right? But like, sometimes like locally, San Diego, like it's just,
00:55:28
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there's just not here. Yeah. Yeah, right. Right. And yeah, I, I don't know. It's, I love, I just love hunting, you know, and I've, I don't care what style, I don't care if it's sitting in a tree stand, glass and spot and stock. That's probably, that's what I'm best at, I would say. But like any type of hunting I like, I love sitting tree stands. Like that's what I'm going to be doing in Oklahoma this weekend coming up and I'm going to love it. Probably cold, but, uh, tree settle.
00:55:55
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I've never hunted a saddle, but I have shot at of them a couple times. I think if I go back to some of these over-the-counter elk units that I've hunted, oh I've only hunted one, three times, but if I go back there, I think I'm going to bring a saddle. I have one for you. Yeah, cause i full set because I always hang the, I would hike my tree out and hang like a you know like a platform stand, but I love the mobility of a saddle. So, especially for that hunt.
00:56:20
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Yeah, I have a full complete tethered setup. Cool. It's like, did you want to use it? It's pretty much back there. Yeah, I got one too. I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try. Try it. It's, but we should actually go do a video with that. Me and Joey did it like using them. It's a, we went up to like Laguna as a concentrate and did it. Like it's kind of a trip to figure it out. Once you like get like comfortable with like laying back and claiming like you can go pretty quick. Oh dude, for sure. And that's the thing is it's so much lighter, faster than a stand.
00:56:47
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You know, the only thing I, I'm not sure I would have to try one before I know, but like a lot of times these hunts, I'm sitting 12 hours a day in the tree. And I'm not sure if you can do that realistically in the saddle. Like I don't know. Cause I haven't tried, but 12 hours is a long time. Long time. But I think as long as you're not getting like pinched, right? Cause seeing a chair, obviously you got to do a tree stand. You're just chilling. Yeah.
00:57:15
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I don't know. I've never done either. I mean, I've been in a tree saddle. I've never hunted on a tree stand. I've blind hunted. I, like, I know you do a lot of it and like, I am not built for blind hunting. I'm a pretty methodical hunter. Like when it comes to like, I'm very patient, like almost to a fault sometimes, like a classic of finding things and like, even with the stock, like it was watch, it was watching the evolving. It's just at times getting better at hunting. Um, but I like to go to class.
00:57:45
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Yeah, I feel like I will glass 10, 12 hours a day. But when I'm in a tree saddle, it's like, or in a blind, it's like, I'm looking at the same damn wallow. Yeah. And that's hard. Yeah. It's it's different. It's definitely different. it's true I would say though, it's good to be like a well-rounded hunter and be able to do any of it. Well, you know, or yeah, a hundred or something. You have to go like, like, oh, I'm the hunter of Joey this year. Like we ended up having some water and he didn't open it. Yeah. bre Like you have to be a willing to be like, I'm not only a glass man. I can sit up and sit up like,
00:58:14
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Cause like the grads give you these goals to kill an animal for sure. Sitting on a blind will kill an animal. Like honestly, I guarantee you a lot of my heads this year and I would have sat in one spot the whole time. on a Yeah. Yeah. Versus being more mobile too. Like yeah it just being willing to like, there's certain spots like with elk, like if you sit this wall, I guarantee you'll kill an elk in the next five days. I guarantee you. Yeah. joey got So like it's just, there's, you just have to be willing to make that switch and do that.
00:58:42
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And a lot of people are not, or, you know, they won't, they won't just sit somewhere for 12 days, you know? And sometimes I, especially on those over the counter units, that is the best way to do it. Those are of course, you could not call these off. No. I watched a seven by seven bowl. This majestic and majestic is going to get, and I watched the other guy to start calling out this bowl looks down and this walks over the ridge like later. Yeah. Like I know you're on a bowl. Oh yeah. Like I'm like, wow. like Like unless you pinch-point this bull, spot-of-stock, spot-of-stalk stock like deer style, deer style him, or water hole him, you're not killing him. No, no. Unless it was like, there might be a three-day period where that bull is just freaking horny out of his mind, going crazy, you might get a maybe. Maybe. But it was like, all those over-the-counter bulls, like they just, they just, as soon as you, they'd call people, they'd just shut.
00:59:33
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Well, you know how many times those bulls heard of hoochie mama? You know what I mean? Like way too many times. Well, especially that bull was probably a six year old boy. It was a good, it was a big horse all the time. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, i dude. So that's an hour where where we got, what we got coming up for you. You got your hunt this weekend? Yeah.
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00:59:50
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So yeah, Oklahoma, then A22 for a little bit. Um, no, it's on. And then yeah, javelina, mule deer. youize with you and Sure. we do let's good glosso Sure. I'm in.
01:00:01
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Try a new area, I guess. I've been, I've been all kind of, I don't know, all over the place, but I got some spots. Cool. Let's do it. Yeah. And then, yeah, other than that, just finishing up hopefully a couple of deals. And then once, once my hunt in January has wrapped up, shoot, I don't know. Just three days. Western expo. Maybe, maybe, maybe I'll come sit the tricer. We're gonna do Russian hunt. We're gonna do sheep.
01:00:31
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we're doing Dallas Safari Club. I could go to that one. um Tennessee. Yeah, we're doing okay. And then I'm doing yeah, a couple total archery challenges this year. I'm doing I'm doing Pennsylvania and Oklahoma. Are you gonna do so we were we're doing for I think and maybe Utah as well. We're gonna do Colorado, Utah, South Dakota and Montana. That's a good mix. Yeah.
01:00:57
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And everyone keeps telling me I do Pennsylvania, but I'm like, dude, like, I just don't know how much you're really going to use Tricer out there. yeah And honestly, with those shows, it's not so much for me, like a sales, a big sales show. It's kind of like a marketing thing. Then we're going to do those four. Yeah, that's good. I'll probably make it into one or, you know, two or three of them. I don't think all four of myself will bring some guys on to kind of run these booths for me and stuff. nice So you can do more. But yeah, those total order challenge, man. You got to go do those.
01:01:23
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They're fun. It's like once you did, did that change your first year, do you want to? No, no, no, 2019. Oh gosh, you had to do them some 2019, yeah. So I've got to do a lot. They are like next level three country. And then do, vote a sample shoot. Yeah, so the shoot this year is going to be massive for sure. So year one, we had 159 people show up, which is very, very large for our local shoots. Usually they have about 40 people.
01:01:49
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So we have 159 year 2 we had 230 this year. I'm thinking we'll have 300 plus and Yeah, it's it's really cool. So we're gonna it's gonna be May 1718 gonna be More everything's just gonna be bigger and better every single part of it. So we've got the planning figured out and Yeah rolling it out tickets probably go for sale February 1st, but yes Prices will be the same how much pricing? 40 bucks for one day pass, 60 for a two day pass. This year we're not doing a family pass, but we are going to have ah kids pricing for and you know all kids. And then we're going to have just for liability sake, we're going to have a walker pass, which is only going to be like five bucks, but it just makes everyone have to sign a waiver. yeah so But ah yeah, for shooters, the pricing will not be any different, which is cool.
01:02:40
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and then yeah I'm going to do it different this year. I'm going to actually tow my trailer up because I think that was the way to go. If last year I got a cabin, hundred of something I think the way to go is tow the trailer up. I'll tow the trailer up and have the truck and the camper on it. I'll just stay there. I'll part of the whole family up and be like, hey, come camping. And you're like it's a super cool vibe, cool atmosphere, taco truck, Joey's truck's going to be up there. Yep. for The coffee. Yeah. I'm sure we'll probably do it. Maybe we'll fly and try some booth. You should do a booth. And this year we we are, uh,
01:03:09
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We've already signed a couple vendors, actually. like We have a whole vendor packet now, also a core sponsor packet that we send out and people can like decide if they want to do it. so yeah I can't wait. like Something about doing the event I love. And you know because we do so many shoots, we know how to make an excellent one you know and how to run it smooth. That's one thing like I cried myself on at the shoot more than anything.
01:03:40
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is how smoothly it runs. Like, I know nothing kills the vibe of a shoot more than like, back up backed up, poorly ran, you don't know where to go. That's dodging arrows, vehicles, in Diego shoots, please. Yeah. And you're, in goodness and you're never gonna have to do that. Like our stuff is super safe. It's super easy to understand and the flow We had hundreds of people and there was like no backups because we had people spread. you know I didn't get to shoot the long one because of the kicking for the rally. But this year I'm going to go back and do it. yeah And a motorcycle shoot May 17th and 18th. May 17th, 18th. I'll probably do the 16th, 17th and 18th. If you want to stay, you go to get a cabin. You can get a cabin for like take a hundred bucks a night. I mean, they're definitely like put on cabins that are,
01:04:30
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but like they would, it's like a bunk bed, or you got beds, it's got a kitchen, whole nine, like $100 a night, like headshot. And those cabins do sell out quick when our shoot gets announced, so if you want one by one hand. It's pretty, I mean they're definitely old, they have a little heater there. Yeah, but they sell out, like, dude, they were old last time. Oh yeah, it was fun, I had one right next to Josh, and it was just a really good time, so yeah, people were gonna, I'm sure they were gonna fly in for this. Oh yeah, yep. And then dude, did you also go camping with us? Like come up there and go camping with us? For sure, yeah, it's so fun. I'm sure there's gonna be some bigger name guys coming in this year,
01:05:00
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yeah well Do for sure time for sure and I agree with you Totally that camping is the way to go if you have a choice. I think it's the way to like bring it free So du ah seriously, just bring a tent down and like walk you up and stuff people are hanging out all night. Yeah you get the music show, which will be bigger this year. It'll be longer. Like everything's just going to be elevated. So yeah, I'm glad he brought that up. Yeah. Frigging driving here from where you are flying here with your backpack gear. And like, we'll find a way to get used to it. We'll find a way to barbecue for you or something. Have a good time out there at camp. It's like the Woodstock in San Diego. Woodstock. Yeah, I love it. San Diego archery. Like it's very laid back. Very cool. Not this like giant production. Like, you know, it's like it's a,
01:05:42
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the so It's very San Diego. San Diego, we are way back. We are flip-flops to the restaurants. like And this this shoot is that way. like Very chill, very fun. And the vibe was like really cool last year. It's almost like going to the desert. That's what it's all about, is the vibe and having... Yeah, it's funny because it is for sure, like attendance-wise, the biggest shoot in our area by a mile, but it doesn't seem like it. like You know what I mean? like It does seem like a chill vibe. It doesn't seem overly produced and goofy. like It's just, I love it, I love it and I can't wait to do it again for the year third year, you know? red dude Time flies. Bodiceabbles.com, Bodiceabbles on Instagram. Oh, look at that white person handshake. There we go, alright. But yeah dude, thanks again and thanks everybody for listening to our pod. We'll see you in the next one. See you on Bodiceabbles podcast. guys later
01:06:36
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