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Changing the Hydration Game – Dane Williams – Hardside Hydration
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This week Drew Miles and the Tricer Podcast host Dane Williams, co-founder of the Hard Side Hydration product. Drew has confessed many times the Hard Side bottle is one of his favorite pieces of gear from the last season. Dane recounts the idea originated during their own hunting experiences when they faced issues with water bladders. The product was developed after collaborations and brainstorming sessions, utilizing 3D printing to create a practical solution for hunters. On this show Drew, explains how this product combines the advantages of traditional water bottles and bladders, which is particularly useful for hunters in arid regions. Drew recounted his positive experience using the adapter, especially when a fellow hunter needed to borrow water during a trip. If you have ever had a water bladder bust on you then you understand the “why”, if you haven’t experienced a busted bladder, you will. Enjoy the show!
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Transcript
Introduction and Purpose
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Speaker
You are listening to the Tricer podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer.
00:00:12
Speaker
And I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners. We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen.
Favorite Gear Discussion: Hard Side Hydration
00:00:22
Speaker
All right. Well, I get often asked, what is one of my new favorite pieces of gear? And actually i just did this on a podcast the other day with Seek Outside. they said, what's your new favorite piece of gear from you know the last season? and And hands down, every single time it is my hard side hydration,
00:00:38
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butter Bottle bladder. bladder I don't know what you want to call it. Bottle adapter. Bottle adapter, bladder adapter, whatever you want to call it. um These guys made, like, took the best of both worlds when it came to Nalgene's and bladders. And being somebody from...
00:00:54
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the West, like we just suck a lot more water than a lot of you guys who were you know, we carry a lot more water and we need bladders. We need, you know, that, that system. Cause we just, we don't have a lot of water down here. And, but there's always an issue of popping bladders and dealing with that.
00:01:09
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And i was actually at GoHunt last year in like April and they had, uh, the hard sides in their, in their showroom and I bought a hard side set up.
00:01:20
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And, man, it was probably the best piece of gear I bought all last season. I ran it all year. I actually had a hunt where a camera guy's bladder fell apart and he had to borrow my water and I made some videos for, for Dane. And i actually got to meet Dane and his partner at a few talk events. And, just become friends with the two
Meet Dane Williams from Hard Side Hydration
00:01:37
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guys. And I just wanted to have him on. So Dane Williams, man, hard side hydration. How are you doing, dude?
00:01:43
Speaker
Oh man, doing great. Doing great. Yeah. it It was fun to meet you, I guess, back probably in Montana. We met there at the Big Sky Tech. That was the first time I met you.
00:01:53
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You stopped by and I'm like, hey, we got to get on. Yeah. know. I've been trying to get you on the podcast for a year, man. You're just too hard to get on. Well, yeah, I've been tuning into a lot of your podcasts and it's it's been very entertaining and Good to listen to. Yeah, and then, yeah, we were down in Denver. I got to hang out with Dylan down there at the Mile High Expo.
00:02:13
Speaker
Yeah, you got to see Western Hunt Expo. Western Hunt, Sheep, if you think of Utah Tax. we've been We've hung out a lot since then, so... it's just, I really do love supporting other brands in my space as well.
00:02:26
Speaker
Even though your product is so easy to transcend our space, like you're probably easily will transcend into REI and stuff like that as well. Um, but you guys at the core are some, you know, you're wearing our soup right now. You guys are hunters and you guys created a product to solve the problem that we all had, man. And, uh,
00:02:43
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Let's talk about
Origin Story of Hard Side Hydration
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it. When, ah I mean, I guess we thought when you started, but I'm sure it started way before that. So where'd you get the idea? what's Yeah, it started, I mean, really way back, like, you know, I guess if we were going way back, I kind of was doing some archery elk hunting in Colorado and kind of came on, you know,
00:03:01
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popped the bladder and was like, you know, like your buddy did on your on your hunt there. I was like ah super annoyed because I really didn't have another container to carry. we were running, hunting some higher country where there wasn't water everywhere, but I was down to like a bottle, a Nalagene.
00:03:16
Speaker
And a lot of the other guys had other, you know, had some bladders too, but it was just like, man, it was super annoying. And, you know, we kind of always had that idea. when you know, I was hunting with a group of guys, but back, I think 2020, I took,
00:03:30
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Dustin, my partner, um him and I became friends basically with our kids, being in the same grade and playing basketball, old man basketball together and got to hang out and kind of, you know, i was like, hey, we got to get out and hunt. So I took him and we went hunting and he had ah he's an engineer. So kind of, he had popped some, a bag of water as well. And we're like, he's, you know, when he's the kind of guy we're bouncing ideas off each other of,
00:03:56
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you know, just different brand, idea you know, uh, different products we could work on and improve in the hunting market. and And he was like, Hey, we can, we can actually do that one. So from there he began doing some, he has a 3d printer and started 3d printing some caps. Um, at that time we both lived in Michigan. Um, I'm from Michigan originally and we both are.
00:04:15
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And, uh, and, um, I had spent a lot of time out in Wyoming kind of guiding and hunting and, uh, always wanted to be living in the mountains more, which is where we live now is Montana. So, um, Dustin moved last year. So we've kind of moved our operations to ah you guys are posting Montana now, huh?
00:04:32
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Yeah. Yep. So I kind of went first and kind of loaded up the family and, uh, made the, made it happen. So, um, but yeah, so it was just kind of, that's how our idea was, uh, was born was kind of from being annoyed with what was currently available and,
00:04:49
Speaker
It was simple as making a cap and a way to allow air to come into there without leaking and being able to drink through a tube, you know. So we run it in a side bottle pocket of the pack and it's a setup that we use ourselves. And, you know, we obviously, you know, there's tons of different bottles. So it's kind of, we made it for analogy, but it worked with Yeti Yonder and lots of different things. And there's ways to expand like that.
00:05:13
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We tried to kind of hit every, you know, we simply at at the beginning just made a cap because, and we made our our caps so that any hose on the market could plug on there. So that people could just, you know, basically take a cap and put it on analogy in and use the hose they had and they could have a water ah water kit.
Utilization and Benefits of Hard Side Hydration
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So,
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Yeah. Yep. So, so just so I can break down what you guys do. So in case people don't understand what heart's hydration is, is it's a Nalgene style cap and also like a smart water style cap. You make some of those as well.
00:05:41
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That'll screw onto any bottle and now turn it into a bladder and give you a hose. So now it's the best of both worlds. And so like when I run your system, I don't run, what I run is a, the 48 ounce. crack that right there that's my system right there Yeah. I run the 48 ounce bottle and then I'll run like another 32 or two 32s in my backpack. Right. And that gets you through a day. So typically I'm carrying probably three Nalgene's total.
00:06:03
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Cause in the West, if I'm somewhere where I get a lot of water, I don't do that. But if I'm going to be out in like New Mexico, I like to have about three liters of water. but I don't like having a bladder cause they pop. It just stinks. It's all run the, you know, the 40, the 48 ounce on my side and I'll run like one or two Nalgene inside my pack.
00:06:21
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Um, typically two. Cause I like to have one for like to mix up some, you know, some mountain ops ignite or something or some hydrate all the day. And I run the 48 ounce on the side and it's just been awesome. Like I've, I've loved it.
00:06:35
Speaker
Uh, it's just made my life so much easier when it comes to it's plus it's like right there on the side, it's not in my backpack. Um, It's an awesome piece of gear. And the cool thing is about that now, Gene, is everything kind of fits a Nalgene, right? The Nalgene lid. Nalgene is kind of like the gold standard. It's kind of like the Arca Swiss of bladders is the Nalgene lid. So you can get like, like everything I have is Nalgene or is the Nalgene threads, right? So like my bottles, even some my bladders. And then also my, I use like the Dramalite bags, like the 10 liter bags and or six liter or four liter bags.
00:07:08
Speaker
I use those and those are Nalgene as well. So it's just really universal system. And you guys really just knocked out of the park. Like I said, man, like i was on a hunt this year and I had to literally share my water with my camera guy. I've got some funny videos on it because his bladder popped and you just, I haven't found a way to break mine. I did go through and I ended up tie wiring all my stuff together and get it really tight. So it's like, cause I kept ripping some stuff off.
00:07:31
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The sun will heat up the hoses. You know, we we we started carrying some clamps on the website, and you know, things like that. But yeah. Yeah, some clamps. I ended up doing just using zip ties and pulling it real tight. I think I might use some real thin tie wire in a couple of them just to get ah every connection.
00:07:44
Speaker
that's just like anything, right? Like I blew Loctite all my stuff as well. Like going to out in the field, it's not a big deal for any of a normal dude. But like for somebody like me who's like crawling through Manzanita all the time and like getting things caught and stuff.
00:07:55
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it it kind of annoyed me so i ended up zip tying my stuff together but man like it's just an awesome system and right now i don't see a better one out there for me yeah that's that's good to hear we uh we definitely use it a lot and uh you know it's uh it's versatile and and it uh yeah we added a filter this year it's something you know that's uh it's good for a lot of a lot of situations if you're day hunting and stuff you can just drop that filter in there but um As an overall container, you know it's it's a great setup. so
00:08:27
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And you can run it on the 48s or the 32s. You can cut your straws, whatever you want to do. It have to be just on the 48. You can run any Nalgene you want and have a bladder system. And Yeti Yonder also makes a 50-ounce bottle. It's a little wide at the base, a little wider.
00:08:42
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um Some of the bottle holders, it struggles to fit in there, but I'm with you. That 48 ounce bottle is perfect for me. And then i'll I'll bring like a big smart water bottle or another Nalgene 48 or something.
00:08:55
Speaker
And then I do bring like a carry a bag too that I can roll up if we're going in areas where there's not a lot of water and stuff. So, but. like my water, should talk about, we should talk about your water system and my water system, like how I run. So it what I do now is I use an MSR gravity filter. I used to use MSR pump, but it's just like your risk. It's normally I'm with, you know, like I'm going out next week. We're going to Montana. It'll be me, Brad hunt and Cody rich all hunting bears.
00:09:20
Speaker
bring my gravity system. I bring three drama light bags, uh, two six liters and a four liter and i'm able to pump 16 ounce 16 liters of water and i'll do that and then i'll just every day is what we i think we'll be back there for like six days on this hunt uh i'll just you know fill my bladder or my my bottles up and then go out and i really find the gravity system to be best but you're a squeeze are you a squeeze guy how are you doing your water um i like I originally we would like really test, ah you know, especially if we were hunting with a group of guys like that Hiker Pro, ah the pump filter like MSR one you were talking about, you know, that those seem to be really quick, but I've since kind of switched to using, um you know, I do run our filter in the bottle, but I also run like a B-Free, the Katadyn Squeeze, and that comes in a one liter, but they also have a gravity filter too.
00:10:13
Speaker
And I have one ready to go. I just haven't busted it out yet. The gravity filters are where it's at, man. I'm telling you, try it this year with the 10 because you you fill a 10 liter bag up and then you just like lay down next to the stream while your stuff fills up.
00:10:28
Speaker
Right. It's really nice. Yeah, that's what I'd like to, I'm going to test out that 10 liter. I carried the the one liter lot last year just to kind of quick and easy. And then I would have our, I was, were kind of in the product in the process of testing our filter. So I was running that and then a smart water bottle. And then I had another, another, just some other roll bag like that. i want to try to get some of those drama light too. They look pretty durable.
00:10:55
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So, Yeah, I have the like the the nylon ones or whatever they are. They're not the canvas ones. They're little bit lighter, and I haven't had any issues with them. um But yeah, the dry my thing with water is like pumping water sucks.
00:11:08
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right like pumping water no matter Making water sucks. No matter how you do it, you squeeze it, whatever. so I like running and just sitting down for an hour and just doing 16 liters. And being done ah done for you know two days or whatever it is, couple days, right? 16 liters get me through a few days with a couple of guys.
00:11:25
Speaker
um So that's my that's why I like the gravity filters. I definitely recommend them. So you're doing you have a new one now too where you can actually put the water right into the bottle and suck through it. Yeah, and scoop right out of the screwop right out of a creek and you know you have dirty water, which, you know, if as we as we continue to grow, we're working on ways to make that easier to get that water out besides drinking. But if you're only using that, now you're kind of only using dirty water. You know, you have dirty water in this analogy. And so it's like, okay, when you go to make meals, you know,
00:11:55
Speaker
Like it's really nice like for fishing. got some like, ah so I have a couple guide friends that are testing them out with using our filter and just a small shorter sh straw so they are on the go so they can drink.
00:12:06
Speaker
you know, kind of dip it in the creek um out of the boat and be able to drink and go. So, but yeah, that's a, that's a, it's a durable, a durable setup.
00:12:17
Speaker
So yeah, it's kind of nice to just, cause ours, I don't notice a flow difference. So I can kind of have that filter in there. And then if I am using like a one liter bag, I have another, you know, it's a backup filtration because if if I were to pop that bag, I'd have something to work still.
00:12:32
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So,
00:12:34
Speaker
Yeah, I always carry the pills, right? So i always have like the pills in my thing just in case. But I am kind of weird about
Importance of Hydration and Supplements
00:12:40
Speaker
putting things he like putting dirty water into my stuff. like like like I'm not a big... like I don't like ah like the SteriPens. I'm not a SteriPen guy because I just don't like i don't like all the chunks and stuff in there. You know what I mean? i'm just like ah yeah Which is different with a bladder, with ah with a filter in your box. You're not going to get into your straw, but like...
00:13:01
Speaker
I don't know. There's something to me about like, I want to keep my, like I always have a dirty bags and clean bags. I go on my clean to be clean. Right. So I have a hard time with that, but it is a cool stuff. And like, if I was doing some like through, through tracking or something out like that, like the Sierras, I could see where I'd want to run that. And I would run that.
00:13:16
Speaker
Um, So like, that's where I'd really like things. Say I'm going light and I just want to run my one bottle. I can, I mean, I use the Sierra as an example, if you're Montana everywhere, right. There's creeks. You could just be literally going and keep going. And I used to like be really water everywhere. Right. like i I can tell them be really beneficial. I probably should pick one those up for some of those, those like have some August stuff going on in Sierras. Like, it's just nice to have that situation where you don't have to worry about pumping or laying down and doing it. You know, it's just always on you and you can be lighter,
00:13:44
Speaker
where you're carry around. Like sometimes I can carry, and depending on where I am, just one 32-ounce algae and it'll get me through a whole day because I'm able to fill it up every, you know, 100 yards just water, you know? Yeah.
00:13:55
Speaker
and I'm, I don't know how you are. I drink a ton of water and I know when I'm out hunting with Dustin or other, you know, everybody drinks different amounts and I, I always carry some like, uh, some supplements too, whether black flag or element or something with, I like, uh, I do like to hydrate type, uh, mixes. So some energy to, wilderness athlete. I try all the different ones, but, um, yeah, it's coming up with, you know, the right kit and stuff. So, but, uh,
00:14:23
Speaker
Yeah, last year. the hydrates where it's at for me, man. Me too. The hydrates where it's at for me. I'm not really big. like i You know what I really like is the Celsius packs. I like those for energy.
00:14:36
Speaker
You get like 10 of them or 12 of them for $15 at Walmart, and they taste just as good, if not better, than the regular Celsius. So I like those for energy. I'll bring some of those along. but man like i can't get through a day anymore without drinking hydrate so like i buy i buy do element i do mountain ops um black flag doesn't have one yet i do do black flags have some their revenge leaves after the gym and stuff um but i i buy like some like just stuff off amazon too which comes like a bottle that i can just put in there really i like the saltier the better i want zero sugar in my stuff i'm with you i want salt because i'll make
00:15:08
Speaker
So like I'll do like when I do like the elements, I just make sure I do it like 32 ounces of water. I can't do it in 16. It's too salty. But I do i do hydrate some sort of a hydrate powder twice a day probably now.
00:15:20
Speaker
And I feel i just feel better. But when you drink something, when you drink all that salt, get all the hydrating you, you just feel more energized. Yeah, you do. Yeah, I started, uh, I didn't, that yeah, those, those, uh, those elements are definitely loaded. I, I, I tried mixing it in 24 ounce and it was like, whew, that was a little, little much, but yeah, I'm excited. I really didn't, I had, and liked the, the mountain ops has the hydrate, that lemon lime flavor. I had some of that last year and that was good, but I'm with you. I bring that a lot and, uh,
00:15:50
Speaker
But i just drink a ton of water too. So for me, it's it's always being able to, even if, you know, and being able to have extra where I can get to six to 10 liters or something and and be able to have that capacity. so
00:16:06
Speaker
Yeah, I think three liters a day is is the goal you should have when you're backpacking. I think you should try and drink three liters a day, which is basically a gallon, right? Like you just, like you can't tell me you don't need it because like you take your backpack off and your backpack is soaked.
00:16:20
Speaker
but Even if it's 50 degrees out, your backpack is just soaked with sweat, right? like You're just dumping sweat of you. You're dumping salt out of you. That's why I'm really big on the salt supplements. and hydrate, but like water is so important. And I'm always like, Oh my kids, my kids don't drink enough water. I'm like, dude, drink more water, drink more water.
00:16:36
Speaker
And honestly I hydrate in the mornings too. Like before I leave camp, I'll smash a full 32 ounce Nalgene and then throw it up again, then go because like you get the water in you for the day. you know what I mean? Like you just need to be, you need that water in you. And it's so important to, to successful hunt, to not cramping, to not being tired, just, know,
00:16:54
Speaker
It helps so
Challenges in Hunting and Overcoming Them
00:16:55
Speaker
much. i don't understand some of these guys who like skimp on the water. I'm like, just drink it. I know. That's the thing with our kid. it's like It is nice to know what you have left as you're hiking. you know Just like if you a normal bottle. you know It's nice to be able to look out there. and On packouts, I've noticed that a lot. I remember we were I ah shot elk in Colorado. and we were It was a hot day. We were coming out. It was like...
00:17:17
Speaker
um six miles you know and every i filled up like five times or at every river crossing but it was nice when i was crossing to be able to get in there you know those bladders are buried in your pack if you're especially if you get calling me you're not really going to dive into that as much as yeah so that was you're running the filter then at that point that's why you're refilling it all the time um I was just, I was running, you know, I was digging into my, you know, I was filtering. That was that was a while back before we had our um filter.
00:17:47
Speaker
So, but that was, I think, two years ago, you know, we and just having our kit on the outside, it's it's it's handy for being able to know, you know, when you need to fill up and stuff like that. and you as far as that. It's a lot lighter than three liters, man.
00:18:05
Speaker
Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah, we always have when we're at the TAC events. I know you go to a lot of them too. we'll have It never fails. Like once a day, somebody will come by with a broken, you know, they got a bag that they've been kind of limping by that's been broken. And we're like, hey, we started doing last year. Like, all right, bladder diaries. You tell us your story, we'll hook you up with a new kit. so Yeah, for sure.
00:18:29
Speaker
All right. So you got this idea. You guys start three d printing some stuff. This is the typical redneck engineering. Cause you guys definitely, you know, you've never made a bladder before. You're not from, he's an engineer. So I guess you got a little bit more than a redneck engineer there, but yeah.
00:18:42
Speaker
So you start making it. And, um, when does first product launch? So 2021, we July. Um, launched it in july And we really just never had social media. never you know Dustin, my partner there, had started a few other businesses, just you know small type stuff, but kind of got all that stuff up and running. And we we got our product out in 2000.
00:19:11
Speaker
21 that summer and we really didn't do any events. we We were just trying to get them in as many people's hands as possible. It's a different product, you know, so we were kind of calling people and kind of hustling, trying to you know, see if we can get that out, how we can get it, see what people think and test it for us. And and and we've made a couple of changes with with some stuff. Then we didn't even have a hose and we've really worked with We worked with a company there in Ohio to develop a hose that you know no one else is using and in the hydration industry.
00:19:45
Speaker
um It has a liner that eliminates that plastic case. you know So we were really really working on that. And we noticed like the hoses we could get, you you bend them a little bit and they would start that you'd get a kink in there. and So yeah really kind of got that our orange and clear and we got a clay color.
00:20:01
Speaker
We got those. So once we got those dialed, that was probably 20. We even changed the formula a little bit because of like what you talked about. We noticed in the sun, some of those ah the hose would kind of expand a little bit. So we made some changes with the thickness of it and kind of are been working on getting that dialed and And yeah, so we launched it in 2021.
Industry Engagement and Market Expansion
00:20:23
Speaker
And then that winter, we' were like, we should try to go to Western Hunt Expo.
00:20:28
Speaker
We kind of, we just loaded up. And that was like our first ever event. Somehow we got in there before there was like a massive list of people. Oh, really? You got in there before? Wow. Yeah, we got in there in 22. And that was kind of coming off of whatever COVID stuff was going on where they didn't have it one year. And you know people were wondering and we're like, shit, man, we got to go for that. So we we got a small 10 by 10 and got to meet some great people in the industry and like GoHunt, they've been a wonderful partner and we've we've sold a lot. you know Right from the start, we got to meet some of those guys. just
00:21:03
Speaker
We had reached out and they stopped by our booth and I think it was Brian Campos and talked with him for a while and they began to they started carrying our product. and ah was That was great. So yeah, it's just building those friendships and stuff. But really that all started that year in 22 is when people started kind of really finding that. So yeah, from then we've just continued to make some changes and like I said, bring everything, move moved where we can make it to a lot more events out here in Montana. And we're always kind of working to get our product out to the backpacking community a little more too, because we're hunters. So it's kind of a different thing.
00:21:41
Speaker
I don't know, it's um it's kind of different for me because I feel like a lot of, as as backpack hunters, we use a lot of backpacking gear, but we're hunters bring bringing a hunting a product that we made for backpack hunting to the backpackers. But it's kind of, I think like we're doing a really big event in the Pacific Crest Trail Days this year. It'll be our first ah backpacking event. We're taking it there. So we're going to go to Oregon and Washington area and do some, see how it goes.
00:22:07
Speaker
So, Yeah. I mean, no, no offense to the hunting industry, but like if I'm running hard side hydration, like my main focus is on that. Like it's like, uh, you're a hunting company first, right. Which I love like to try to do the same way, but there is so much more money for hard side hydration at REI than there is at go hunt or, you know, or whatever. Cause like, it's just, yeah. Dude, like you go to REI, like I'm not calling yourself a gimmick, dude. There's like, you can't even find a parking spot. REI. Anytime you go to any REI is just full of people in there just buying stuff.
00:22:42
Speaker
Everything. Every gimmick item on the shelf, dude. These guys have got like special shovels to bury their crap. I mean all this. I mean, like it's, they buy it all. And I'm like, and like hard sides, like hard sides, like a legitimate product. Like you guys would crush an ah REI. Like, I don't like, that's where I'd be like, we got get you an REI like right now. yeah Cause it's like, you would just kill in that place. Cause those guys just buy everything, dude. They're in there.
00:23:08
Speaker
i mean like every different color sock you can imagine all this funny, different crap. and It's like, they just, they love it, man. that You would crush in that backpacking space. and i And I do like what you said, because I feel like Tracer's the same way, right? Like, you're a hunting company first. And it transcends.
00:23:26
Speaker
yeah those guys And so that same thing with Tracer, right? Like, we're a hunting company first. And then now we're starting to like, I have like a really high end camera. Luke Duesenberry is on the staff. He has a camera, Mike, Mike Hearn, Alex Miller, all of us are photographers as well. Right. Or at least inspiring photographers, we're hunters first. Right. So we're like trying to figure that transition out for Tracer because the stuff works really well, but we're never going to be a photography company. We're always going to be a hunting company first.
00:23:53
Speaker
And I think it's because like, I can't expect you just to like, stop hunting and become like a through hiker, right? Like you're going to be a hunter and that's where these problems are solved. But hunters have so many more problems than non-hunters. Cause like, not only do we have the same gear they do, we have the ultra light gear, but then we add on rifles, optics and all this other stuff. Right. And we're off the trail. So like we really,
00:24:17
Speaker
Yeah, a pack that can carry to 150 pounds, 20 pounds. Yeah, yeah you know I'd love to run i'd love to run a you know one of those Hyperlite bag backpacks, you know what i mean, that weighs two pounds. But no, I'd run my initial ascent. It weighs like six pounds, right? like you know Or an Eberle stock, and it weighs six.
00:24:37
Speaker
But it's a different... thing for it. Right. And, but as long as you're continuing to innovate, I'd encourage you to continue to innovate within your mindset and what you do, not what they do.
00:24:49
Speaker
Right. Cause there's a bunch of guys already doing what they do. It's the guys like you who are doing what we do, who can really bring stuff in And I love seeing that transition from the hunting space to the through hikerspace instead of the backwards way. Because a lot of it is like, like all of our technical apparel, thank God for Jason Hairston starting Sitka.
00:25:08
Speaker
Like it came from ah REI. Like it wasn't like, it came the other way, right? A lot of stuff comes the other way. And now we're doing, you're seeing like our teepees really start transcending into, like you see Seek Outside really pushing into that through hikerspace, but it's hunting company first, right? It's really neat to see these hunting companies starting to bridge into that space.
00:25:27
Speaker
and And it's, risk I like it. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely neat to see. And like you said, every a lot of ah REI is a, it's an interesting store and they they got some awesome stuff there. And, you know, you go in and there's, you know, all these meals I've never seen before, you know, just different stuff. But yeah, we originally when we first launched, we did, we were in contact, actually somebody, an influencer kind of had posted our stuff and,
00:25:53
Speaker
REI had reached out and we we submitted a video. We need to probably, they said, oh, come back, you know, get do it again in six months. And we just were like, ah we'll do it. well We will do it again. But yeah, it would be great. we We've been getting into some retail stores. It's been great. So.
00:26:10
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Yeah, the biggest one recently. yeah Yeah, we are. This is our, just this year, two months ago, yeah, two months ago, we we did, ah we're in 16 different stores. So but one of the stores is real close here, at Missoula store to where we're at. So we're kind of working with them on some display stuff and trying to figure out the best way to, you know, showcase everything. So.
00:26:35
Speaker
But yeah, Shields, it's been and great to get some of our product there to where people can go check it out at a store local, you know, so.
00:26:45
Speaker
Good for you. Yeah, Shields has been a great partner for us. So has GoHunt. There's ah but quite a few, but man, you can get into some places I can't go. Yeah, you know what i mean? We're actually talking right now, like, doing on our webpage, because we're starting to go, we're getting a lot more picked up, like, B&H photography. A of photography people are reaching out to us now wanting to use our stuff.
00:27:02
Speaker
And I'm like, i don't want to make two webpages. So I think we're going to do, like, on the way, when you when you go in, you can click on hunting or photography right there, and then, like, photography. Because, like, i we're a hunting company. Like, I don't want to do two, like,
00:27:15
Speaker
So I'm like, oh, if you don't, if you don't want to see all the bipods and shooting rest and all this stuff, click this one. It'll bring you to the same, same website, but it'll be like the photography lines of just the different tripods and 360 and the, cause it was, you know, but, uh, it's just part of it. You know, it's part of growth. You got to, you know, but like I said, we're hunting first.
00:27:33
Speaker
What, um, So you've got the bottles. What else are you guys doing? You guys got anything in the works? Anything new? <unk>ll be talking know We have some, we have some insulation sleeves that we run on there. The filter was always one that was kind of like, you know, we, and you know, we would always get the question, is this a filtration system? So it was nice kind of adding that into the, into the line there. So a lot of the stuff, you know, it, it you know, it would be kind of working on, uh,
00:28:02
Speaker
if we are going to change the cap is something we're maybe be working on in the future but right now it's kind of working on just kind of scaling up what we have to to be able to keep up with stuff here with with the with the orders from retail and stuff so yeah Yeah, but I mean, that's that's kind of what I would say is like you guys, if you're not even in a tenth of the market of where you guys could be right now with what you guys are selling, right? Like let's get you into every freaking REI and Big Five and Dick Sporting Goods and all those different markets, right? And really just scale this thing off of what you're making because you're making a phenomenal product.
00:28:41
Speaker
Uh, I do, i can say I do like the, uh, the insulation. I went to put the insulation sleeve on like midway through last season. And I like it. it kept my water a little bit cooler, especially because I feel like every hunt I went on last year was in the eighties.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah, it works for both of those. you know We had some of the taxer in Utah and people were like, man, they were they were buying those more than our other kids just because, you know, just keeping that water bottle. They were holding ice in it for the morning. it was like, yeah, it's pretty sweet. So, um you know, I find that a lot of people are, you know, some people like ice cold water and And that's the only way they'll drink it. And some, you know, I'm like, whatever, I'll just go.
00:29:20
Speaker
But have you guys thought about doing like almost like a rectangular, like sleeve, like a three liter bladder that can slide in the back of a pack? Like, you know i mean? Like, you know, like that, like something that's like 10 inches wide and 20 inches long, an inch and a half deep, just a hard plastic one with a nice analogy. You thought I would do something like that? Am I might blowing the lid off something right now or what?
00:29:42
Speaker
Uh, you know, we, we are, uh, we are definitely, we found somebody in the U S we can work with to design some containers like that. Um, um, just even just changing some bottles, um, you know, making, you know, there's some, there's some things that are very annoying with, even with analogy and, you know, so it's trying to make those that, uh, but, and yes, when we originally launched, um,
00:30:08
Speaker
we had that an idea for a container that would fit in that, in that like in in your sleeve of your backpack where the bladder would go that would be more rigid.
Balancing Entrepreneurship with Personal Life
00:30:17
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And you know it's kind of like the weight. and yeah but that Yeah, so yeah, we have some ideas for that.
00:30:24
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I feel like analogy or not a bladder sometimes can be like a little bit protrude like protrude a little bit you know because they kind of like blow out you know and then they sink in take up a lot of space but it was like wider and thinner and it was like a fixed cube in there like it'd be kind of nice to have that in my pack like a fixed I don't know what it would be I mean almost like a roto pack you know roto packs for you know the going to all these off-road vehicles like something like that in my backpack yeah Yeah, almost like a big flask is what we were considering. you know Something that that would be shaped like that, that would hold three liters or or even two because a normal bladder is going to get you around.
00:31:00
Speaker
The biggest ones are three, like you know the bigger ones are three to two liters. So somewhere in there that you know is going to be a durable option would be would be awesome. so Yeah, you have to find some cute name for it, like the no-break bladder or the...
00:31:15
Speaker
the bladder buster, I don't know the bladder buster 2000. I don't know. Something like that, you know, something kind of kind of thing is I would run that thing in a heartbeat, man. Cause I do, I like having three liters on me, like I said. So if I didn't have have to have so many bottles on me, like I'd be into it.
00:31:31
Speaker
Yeah, drop that in there. And you can plug it between the different different kits and stuff. Yeah, Dustin, the name he liked was the Hard Sider. that what we're gonna That's what we were going to call that one. I'll drop that in there. Yeah, the Hard Sider.
00:31:43
Speaker
Hard Sider. It kind of sounds like you're talking about Hard Sider, but I don't but What have been some of the most, I mean, are you guys, are you going full time now, Hard Sider? How long are you still doing two jobs?
00:31:58
Speaker
So Dustin and I both are doing two jobs. I was pretty close to, I've i've been, both of us are, yeah, I've been with, I work with wildlife services in the in that industry. So with the federal government, with USDA, so animal damage, human conflict, that's what I've been doing for 17 years.
00:32:19
Speaker
So yeah, it's been ah it's been a great career. And yeah, I was pretty close to hanging it up there, but just because you know, things are going really good with hard side. So it's, we've kind it's been fun because, you know, we we bootstrapped this business and kind of just got it going. And, you know, we've been able to kind of learn as we're going and, you know, not just dive all in at the start.
00:32:43
Speaker
So it's been, it's been, it's been nice kind of a balance. I have three, three kids and, you know, a family and so does Dustin. So it's, we've been able to kind of grow and it's getting to the point where it's, it's time for, it's time for, you know, for me to probably start. Dustin has, you know, another job, full-time job too. So, but yeah, we're able to, we've been able to make it work, but it's long hours and stuff. So.
00:33:10
Speaker
yeah lots of people don't understand about entrepreneurship is right you look at i get it all the at tricer like oh man tricer just blew up and it's like oh it didn't blow up it's been this like slow brewing thing for 15 years right like i've been doing this thing forever like trying to get it to where it is between all my other companies and learning and um and yes we started in 2020 and now it's doing really well and i'm doing it full-time but like man like It's the 16 hour days and no one sees that really build a business, right? It's a willingness to just travel, go to shows and just grind, right? Like we have a new COO coming on at Trashire to help run the business for me. And like one of the big things like when hiring him was like, I need to know that I can call you at midnight on Sunday and you're to answer the phone.
00:33:57
Speaker
Right. And that's how this thing runs. Like, it's just, we have to, like, I want people who want to eat, sleep and breathe this thing and give it everything they have. Right. Like, yeah, I'm tired, but keep going. And that's what it takes to really build a business. Would you say?
00:34:10
Speaker
Yeah, I would agree. You know, and, and, and we'll be in hopefully soon get into some of that of like finding, trying to find like-minded people to help, you know, help us with our dream of growing hard side to what we hope it can be, you know, and that's,
00:34:24
Speaker
that but I'm with you trying to find those so people that are kind of like ride or die kind of person like hey man we need to I mean because sometimes it's I'm up there till 3am trying to package to get ready for a show and Dustin's shipping stuff and our wives are doing stuff and our kids are putting stuff together and you know we're just trying to you know make it all kind of make it all work, you know, and we got, and yeah, I know you're a father too. It's a, it's, it's a fun time. And that's kind of where, you know, we've grown as, as fast as we wanted to, I guess. So, um you know, with, with traveling and everything and and like this, this may have, the last year I went to like a ton of different events and I'm like, man, I'm just going to like, just chill for like a month here. I'll be ready to hit it harder here in June. But as like last year, I was pretty, uh,
00:35:08
Speaker
pretty going with, you know, some of that. So, yeah. Yeah, I got three boys and baseball and trying to get them into turkey hunting, you know, all the hunting stuff. and So it's it's it's busy times, but I love it.
00:35:25
Speaker
Yeah, it would make things easier just only be focusing on hard side, but as far as like work-wise, but yeah, it's been good. Yeah, you really... um It takes that though, right? And it does take a sacrifice from a whole family, right? And like, I'm just now at a point where I spend more time with my kids. Like I was, I was really neglecting my family. And that was the hardest That's why really had to make this decision like, hey I'm to leave my other job, which, you know, I'm the heir apparent to one of the largest sheeple companies in Southern California. and I'm not anymore.
00:35:56
Speaker
Like my you know I'm not like, it's, it's just not my company anymore. My dad's company and who knows what will happen with it. But I know that I won't be involved in anything that happens with it. Um, but I had to make a decision for my family, but there is a sacrifice there, right? Like a sacrifice for your wife and your kids. People but don't see that.
00:36:13
Speaker
Right. Like, and there's this time that you're sacrificing and there's, and that's really what it came down to in the end for me leaving my old job and coming to do this is it was like, man, like, I'm losing my kids. I'm losing my wife. Like I'm not going to give them the focus I did. And it was the best decision I ever made. Cause yes, it was scary. Yes. It was a pay cut at first to do it, but man, like the freedom it has given me to innovate and create has been, i mean, we've out with like 15 different products, right? Like,
00:36:39
Speaker
dude, like yeah I quit. I mean, look at the RP bipod. I mean like that would, that came out of me quitting and and traveling and and designing and doing this stuff and spending, you know, a hundred plus days in the field. You know, that's why I'm in the field all the time. So I'll be in Montana next week with Cody hunting. You know what i mean? Like it's just, that's where this innovation comes from. And I couldn't do that doing both jobs anymore.
00:36:59
Speaker
Right. I can do it to a little bit. Like I could, you look at it and you're like, man, it's so scary to take that jump. It's so scary to do it. But it's like, once you make it, like, like there's that point of return. Like once you go, it's like, I got to make it. And like, honestly, yeah with you, Dane, like wildlife services will always hire you back.
00:37:19
Speaker
It's not like you can't get a job, right? tell people all the time, like they get so scared to do it. I'm like, you know what? Like a guy like Dane, who's a hardworking dude, will always have a job somewhere. So it's like, what's the worst that can happen?
00:37:31
Speaker
What's the worst that can happen, dude? you know what i mean? But what's the best that can happen? The best that can happen is oh you create this brand that's doing millions of dollars a year in sales and you get to go hunting with your kids all the time and go to cool tacky events and have a good time. And like, that's the dream, right? Like it's told you all the time, like I'm living that dream right now.
00:37:47
Speaker
But man, it was scary as heck. It was, I probably quit a year too late, a year later than I should have quit because I was scared, man. I had five kids to take care of. I have a kid going to college. Like I had to pay, i had, I had Cadillac insurance through a union that I had to like now pay for myself. Like it was, it was scary.
00:38:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're there, you know, it, it'll be happening soon. That's for sure. So, but. And, you know, like you said, that's that's great to have that time to be thinking about different products and growing.
00:38:21
Speaker
The bipod is wonderful. We got it. Dustin and I got ours in. Yeah, we got ours in a couple, maybe a month ago or something. But he's got it. I've been playing around with it a lot. It's going to be fantastic for.
00:38:37
Speaker
A lot of different hunts, steep, steep angles, all that good stuff, man. Kid hunting, youth hunts. I'm like so pumped last year when I was using This is going to be, it's going to be awesome, man.
00:38:48
Speaker
So. Dude, the reviews have been, think we have like 140 reviews right Any of the batteries are mostly because people have hard time with, like, there's an adapter that turns your pick rail to ARCA or to pick, your swivel set to pick, and some of the guns, it won't work on every single gun because it's like, it's a universal mount, you know what mean? Like, it's just, it can only do so much, right? You try to cover as many as you can, you know? I'm trying to do as much as I can, right? Like sometimes you got put a pick rail on your gun, right? Like I actually install pick rails on my guns, right? Like it's the right thing to do is that.
00:39:16
Speaker
But like, dude, their views have been phenomenal and animals are just dying everywhere. Like we just went to Africa and shot a pile of animals. Every animal we shot was off that bipod. Dude, my kid just dropped an ostrich at 500 yards, dude. I mean, like, he's like, I got him. Like, you sure it's really far? He's like, dude, I got him.
00:39:34
Speaker
11 years old, dude. Solid. Sends his bullet. and then just drops to the ground like a deflated balloon. You know, i we had had a situation where we were in like some... This is not a trichet commercial, by the way. This is a hard side commercial. No, this is us talking about a sweet product because we like gear.
00:39:49
Speaker
Sweet product. So we like gear, right? And like there was this, I keep calling them antelope, an impala. And it's 200 yards away and it's in brush. All we have is this neck and we have a fence between us and a bunch of bushes.
00:40:01
Speaker
So we couldn't get prone and we couldn't get up high enough to shoot up. like So we like set them up with a full extension of the bipod, 30 inches tall. Then we put the ah rear tripod behind him and put him in locked in. My kid, 11 years old, makes a 200-yard throat shot on this freaking Impala and just drops him in his tracks, dude.
00:40:19
Speaker
Like, it's just like, it's incredible. It just does everything needs to do. And it's been, my whole point of like, where we started talking about that was like, that would not have happened if I didn't quit my other job.
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00:40:31
Speaker
Right. Like people will make me ask me to build a bipod forever, but like I was exhausted, dude. Like I was sleeping four to six hours a night. That's it. And then working and getting up at four, I would get up at four. And I'd be able to work at five 30 an hour away.
00:40:44
Speaker
And then I'd work all day and to get home at three or four and work until, you know, 10 o'clock at night. there was not enough time for me to do the innovative part and the growth part. It was only time for me to do the management part. That's where you're getting to right now is where you're like, kind of like the management part. It's like, yeah I want to grow this thing now How do we scale?
00:40:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're right there, you know, so it's going to happen. So, yeah. What were some of the biggest ah mistakes you've made?
00:41:12
Speaker
Um, for us, I think, uh, you know, one of the things we changed with our cap, um, and we, we noticed it early on that, you know, it was just, you know, uh, maybe not simplifying, um, like something with our, with our, with our cap there, you know, we, we had it to where you just had to twist the straw in and get the friction would hold the straw.
00:41:31
Speaker
And was really easy to take apart to clean, but if people just didn't go like that, like, when people were hiking, it could fall out the bottle inside the bottle. And that's annoying because now you're hiking and you're like, I'm out of water and and it's not working. So that was, that was like really a thing that, you know, that we, that we changed and did that. You know, we did some things where, like I said, I think I mentioned it. We really didn't have a big, well, I never had like Facebook or any type of social media.
00:41:57
Speaker
And so we really, you know, we just kind of growing and we, we hired some and they did a you know good job, but it was kind of hard to keep our, you know, to keep our kind of pulse on everything. We had some people helping us with our social media and, and it was kind of just not as authentic as what we are, you know? So, but really from the start, like some things that have been awesome is like, I'm and like, for one, you know, Dustin and I are great friends and we both have different, he's an engineer and I'm, you know,
00:42:28
Speaker
a guy that, you know, enjoys the outdoors and, you know, but we're great friends and we kind of work and um in different areas. So we're excelling like that, but it's hard for me to really look at hard side and, you know, find, find much negative because, you know, or, you know, maybe things we could have, yeah, there's probably some things to look back and wish we would have, you know, done a little differently, but,
00:42:50
Speaker
Overall, it's just kind of but been a wonderful experience and made a lot of friends just in you know other hunting companies and just you know all the events I get to go to and and meet folks. it's It's been wonderful. And yeah, it's been fun to kind of have my kids. you know My oldest son is 13, so we we launched this. He was nine.
00:43:11
Speaker
So... For him to be able to, you know, for those kids, for the kids to be able to be part of it and kind of see how to start a business and, you know, how, you know, how it can go. And they, they help us out and it's been, been great. So.
00:43:27
Speaker
Yeah, man, it's a, we made some major mistakes. so Some of them in the same alley. Some of them are kind of similar, like this product mistakes, right? Like we made our first products, like we ended up hiring a marketing company we ended up losing like 25 grand.
00:43:42
Speaker
And at the time, like 25 grand was like, A lot of money, a lot of money for us. It was like, this is going to hurt us big time. Like that's a lot of that's, you know, and um and we now we have another marketing company that we use and and we gladly pay them a lot of money every month and they crush for us. Right. yeah Like one thing we're known for is our advertising. Like we've got marketing. oh great Right. Right. Whether you love it or hate us, we love people will hate us because of it too.
00:44:08
Speaker
I had some guy in a Speedo this morning like talking crap to me. he's like His profile picture is him on his Speedo. like doing like and I'm like, you can't talk. Oh, spamming my thing. I'm like, bro, you can't talk crap you're wearing a Speedo as your profile pic, douche.
00:44:22
Speaker
but so If you're listening to this Speedo guy, there you go. There's your five minutes of fame. You're out there with your Speedo on talking crap on my ads. but um We made a lot of mistakes on that front. that We made product mistakes, write some of our first products.
00:44:36
Speaker
um, even on new products that we make, you know, we've made mistakes had to make changes, right? We've had to, you know, we've had, I've had issues like even when I launched the BP pan head, like it it didn't close down all the way. We had our complete sliding on it. Right. And I had to go I had to pivot and like, I had to repair, you know, a thousand BPs, you know what i mean? Like I had some issues with glue and like, there's always, um
00:44:59
Speaker
Sorry, I'm going to read a text my screen. There's always things that are going to go wrong in business, right? It's not a matter of like, it's it's like making your failures become successes, right? And learning from them, right? And have been really good at that too with like getting customer feedback and making changes and pivoting a little bit.
00:45:16
Speaker
As long as within what your original idea was, you could only do so much on your own. Right. Like I can only do so much in my own design and then I have to. And then once I release it, you get the Monday morning quarterbacks, right? Everyone comes in the Monday morning quarterback at blah, blah, blah.
00:45:32
Speaker
And, Yes. Sometimes i just like blow it off. Like i'm not going to make that change. sometimes Sometimes I hear those morning, morning quarterback things. Like that's a really good idea. So now next version will be changed with that little change in there. Right. But the, but the, but the structure still there.
00:45:45
Speaker
The structure of a cap, a straw, a hose is still on a hard side, but you can make little tweaks to it, whether it be adding a filter or changing the way the straw twists on. And you continue just to grow that product.
00:45:57
Speaker
And I think that's an important part of business is being having that nimbleness to be able to make those calls and also the humility to not be too prideful not to do it. Yeah, for sure.
00:46:09
Speaker
Yeah, following, you know, listen, listening to the feedback and, you know, just calling, talking with spending that time to talk with the customers or at, you know, these, these events we go to are, are great to kind of get somebody's, you know, face to face, like, what's your, what do you, you know, why aren't you using that? You know, how can we make it better? Oh, and and you find out it's this little thing that, you know, either they're, you know, so it's, yeah.
00:46:32
Speaker
I'm definitely, I'm somebody that, you know, I love the, ah like, I love people in, in, in person, like, you know, that stuff. So, um, yeah, it's, it's taking that feedback and, and, and figuring out how to make it better. So, so I can tell you that I am your biggest fan.
00:46:49
Speaker
um you and your partner are incredible, it incredible human beings. You're fun to be around. Your, your smiles are contagious. And you love doing what you do. And I'm always pushing you guys, whatever I am, like on podcast, talking about how great hard site is.
00:47:03
Speaker
Cause it's a, I mean, it's a 30, am I wrong? 35, 30, $40 kit. What does this kit cost now? Somewhere around there, right? You know, just if you already have the bottle, you're right. And that range is like 36 to $38. We'll get, get on 40 bucks.
00:47:17
Speaker
It's the cheapest piece of gear you'll buy this season and it will change your life when it comes to backpacking. Like I am a huge fan of hard side, spend the 40 bucks, put it on your pack, try it out.
00:47:28
Speaker
If you don't like it, it was 40 bucks. It's not like going out and buying a new cartridge or, you know, spending two grand on a scope. It just, you know, it's worth it. You'll love it And if you don't like it, I'll buy it from you and I'll put on one of my kids' packs. I i' got everything think I have three setups already now, but we're all running them now. and I'm a big fan of them.
Personal Hunting Stories and Experiences
00:47:45
Speaker
Dude, you know how we end this thing? We always end this thing with ah with a hunting story, man. Give us a hunting story. All right. So hunting story for me. Let's see. I'll go... Yeah, I had ah i had a good had a great hunt last year. And you know we hunted hard in archery in Montana. And this is my if i first year as being a Montana resident. So but Dustin and I were able to get out and do a lot archery hunting. and
00:48:13
Speaker
was able to scout out an area and kill the nice bull elk and it was like midday and you know of course he's still doing his other job but was able to bail out and give me a hand out there but we had a wonderful season last year probably always the highlight for me is going to be my kids but that was I had a good hunt but
00:48:37
Speaker
We did have a really good, there's a lot of, where I live in Montana, there's a lot of good white tail deer hunting as well. It's easier for the kids, but we were, your bipod would have come in really handy, but we had, my son was out there and his brother, they do a youth deer hunt Montana and it's a great hunt and it's a two day thing there. But yeah, my oldest son shot a buck and had a good time.
00:49:03
Speaker
With that, and in the evening, my son was out there, and we were getting ready to you know i take a deer, and all of a sudden, I'm like, whoa, hold on a second, buddy. And out of the timber came a a nice buck stepped out. And my son, he ah he would have been 11 at the time. He was able to you know shoot his biggest buck to date. And so that was that was my probably the highlight of my fall last year.
00:49:25
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So, yeah. That's awesome, man. That's always my highlight, too, is getting the kids their first animals, getting their kids their deer. I didn't shoot a deer for like four years. I was just guiding for so long for my kids. And and this year, my 11-year-old is of age. I took him to Africa. Last week, he killed three animals.
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And... I'm just getting him ready for the season. already know his kid's going to shoot a giant in New Mexico. I shouldn't say giant. He's going to shoot a buck in New Mexico, and it's just, I can't wait for that. We should have an Arizona tag. We'll hunt San Diego as well, but that's always a crapshoot for us on whether we can even find a buck.
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But um man, like that's where it's at, dude. It's hunting with kids, dude. So you know what you guys are listening to this podcast. Go support Hardside Hydration. It's a family business. Guys got kids. You got to pay for school bills, doctor bills, all this stuff. Go buy some Hardside, man. 40 bucks.
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Dane, where can we find you guys? ah You can find us at hardsidehydration on Instagram, Facebook stuff. Our website's hardsidehydration.com and Shields stores, GoHunt.
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What tack events will you guys be at? ah We will be at Montana. I'll be in Montana in South Dakota. Dustin's going to – him his little boy are going to head down to Colorado at Furgatory, and I'll be at Solitude.
00:51:03
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So I'll be at three. We're doing the Western events this year. There again, Drew, we need to need to be at all of them, but we're juggling another job. Yeah. But, no, we got – Yeah, I don't know if I'll be at – yeah I don't know if I'll be at any of them. I might try and make it to one. We're at four. We're both Utah's, Colorado and Montana this year.
00:51:23
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don't know if I'll make it to any of them, but I might try and fly into the one late July just for the weekend, go in there and do that event and shoot one. I like to go at least one to shoot it. You know, I'm just, it doesn't line up. I'm just traveling too much the other stuff, but man, thank you so much. Let's do it again, bro.
00:51:41
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I got a bear hunt coming up next week that I'm flying to Montana. I'm flying to Montana next week to go get um a bear killed. So it'll be good. It'll all be filmed. I know I'll be running my heart's out on that one. he You'll be in a famous Tricer film.
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Until next time, shoot straight, have fun, and always put God first.