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Predictive Draw Odds – Dave Barnett - GOHUNT
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This week on the Tricer Podcast, Drew sits down with Dave Barnett from GOHUNT to dive into the exciting new Predictive Draw Odds feature available to GOHUNT Insiders. For the first time ever, GOHUNT can give hunters a glimpse into what the draw odds will look like this season, helping you plan your next hunt with better insight. Gone are the days of only knowing last year’s results—you can now get a leg up on what’s coming.
Fair warning, though—it takes a bit for the guys to get to the Predictive Draw Odds talk. But don’t worry, their lively banter and engaging hunt discussions along the way make the wait totally worth it. Whether you're a seasoned hunter or just getting into the game, this episode is packed with useful tips and a whole lot of excitement. Tune in!
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Transcript
Introduction and Prayer
00:00:01
Speaker
You are listening to the Tricer podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer, and I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners.
00:00:17
Speaker
We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen.
Guest Introduction: Dave Barnett
00:00:25
Speaker
Aloha. I podcast from Hawaii. My first one. and the cool thing is it's my first repeat customer, Dave Barnett. You're the first guy to come on twice, man.
00:00:37
Speaker
That's an honor. Yeah, dude. Uh, I'm excited to have you on here. Like I, we're, we're pushing a hundred podcasts. You're pretty quick in the next couple of months. and And you're the first guy to come back. So I'm doing something, right?
00:00:51
Speaker
Heck yeah. You'll definitely get a lot more, um listens this time. The podcast has definitely grown a lot more since then. So that's good. right if If you guys don't know Dave Barnett, Dave, what's your title at GoHunt?
Dave's Work with GoHunt
00:01:05
Speaker
My official title is research content manager. All that to say, I work largely on our insider platform. So I'm working on season updates and unit profile updates and and a lot of data sheets.
00:01:19
Speaker
Yeah. Does it bug you when I text you like things I find wrong? No, no, it doesn't. I like i like i like when you point those out. I'm always like, i spend so much time on GoHunt. There's not much wrong, right?
00:01:33
Speaker
I spend so much time on GoHunt. GoHunt is like... Like I got rid of my social media now. Like I'm only doing it computer. um I'm on computer only after the last couple of weeks. I'm just like, I'm over it.
00:01:44
Speaker
A computer only, but like go home. I'll never get rid of that. Like, dude, like I can just go to sleep. Like actually I don't even go to sleep. can I started doing it and I'm like, all sudden I'm on this rabbit hole of like going to Kansas whitetail hunting or something. I'm like, how the heck I, how did I get here? yeah Oh yeah. There's some fun opportunities, but yeah, i mean like there, there are so many data points that,
Complexity of Hunting Data Updates
00:02:07
Speaker
just in our platform, you know, between all the seasons and all the data points reaching to but individual to the individual season. And like every single one of those is is manually touched. None of those updates are automated just because every state is so wildly different. Like it's crazy.
00:02:22
Speaker
You some of the things, you know, do slip through. So yeah, having, you know, having some of these, it's like, Hey, this is, this is off a little bit. That's always a good book. You know, we like them. Yeah. but had something but Yeah. I had something the other day and I was like, uh, you know where I catch it too. A lot times is like, if I go to, um, i cause you can't like you guys, I know why you do it.
00:02:44
Speaker
Like you guys don't put down hunt code numbers and you guys don't put down, ah like, some things involving the hunts, like they then they you don't want to be liable for someone freaking drawing a cow tag on accident.
00:02:57
Speaker
Right. I'm sure that's what it is. it was something like that the other day. i was like, Oh man, like, Oh, these are the wrong dates on here for a youth hunt. Right. It doesn't match up where it was supposed to be. I didn't text you. I meant to text you, but it was like, again, i was a tweaker. It was like 11 o'clock at night or 12 o'clock at night in my bed. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to, I'll, I'll email Dave tomorrow. And I didn't do it.
00:03:14
Speaker
But like, uh, dude, it's unreal.
GoHunt's Expansion and Challenges
00:03:18
Speaker
How much data you guys, accumulate and put into that thing. It's wild. Like I, like it's like you guys are running like a 90. I'm not saying you guys have a bunch of problems. Like yeah guys are like, dude, like a plus plus like 99.9%. Like everyone's so like, catch something.
00:03:30
Speaker
But like, dude, like you guys have flipped the script on the hunting industry.
00:03:39
Speaker
It's been, yeah, it's been a fun project, you know, and in and lately we've been starting to kind of venture into more like Midwestern Eastern states. I've been starting to learn a lot more the, you know, the the draw systems out there and it's just making like the overarching problem of there's no consistency between states is just like so much more apparent, like especially in some of these Midwest and Eastern states where they don't necessarily get like,
00:04:01
Speaker
the out-of-state attention that some of these western states do like they're they're like their websites are archaic mean like they're just like so behind the time so it's like yeah like going through and i mean even just like a simple state like iowa is a state that we recently added fairly simple white killing deer setup but like there's a lot of seasons by the time you go through it so like you know inevitably there's there's a lot of man hours that go into doing you know just a small amount of research what you see on on the front
00:04:29
Speaker
Dude, I can tell you right now that if GoHunt wants to triple, get all those whitetail states in there.
Hunting Opportunities and Legal Loopholes
00:04:36
Speaker
Dude, get all those in there because those guys, like, i know us out west, like, we're like the, like, snobs of the hunting and hunting world, right? Like, if you hunt out west, you're like, oh, this is beneath me.
00:04:46
Speaker
Dude, there's way more guys chasing whitetails than there are guys out here. That's for sure. i got a couple of points on the other state thing, dude. Like, I just did a whole pod with Maine. on Moose and stuff, dude, like yeah like, there's some opportunities in Maine to draw Moose Tag this year.
00:05:04
Speaker
And with points, they square their points just like Nevada, right? And not only that, not only that, in Maine, you don't have to wait 20 years. You could buy 20 years worth points as an on-Mose tag.
00:05:18
Speaker
So like, dude, like i just did a whole pod on it. So like, Holy crap. Like I, you're telling me I can go buy 20 years with the points each year. yeah You just don't like you get to keep them, but like you can go, like if you have the money, you won't get to spend 500 bucks in Maine.
00:05:31
Speaker
You could potentially have 15 20 years with the points and draw a moose tag this year. Dude. Another thing you could do in Maine, bro, this is sick is you can, I don't know how much I to say this. I'll say it.
00:05:44
Speaker
Whatever. don't care. I haven't ever done it. So whatever. you guys want to call a main fishing game on me? That's fine. You could draw cow tag, right? Then it's legal to trade air quotes with somebody who has a bull tag.
00:05:58
Speaker
So there's forums back there. go on and be like, Hey, I have a cow tag who wants to trade air quotes with me for their bull tag. And it's a shockingly low priced trade. Interesting.
00:06:13
Speaker
Like I was like, I was told like, it's like a Venmo of like a thousand bucks and you could trade that cow tag for a bull tag under the table.
00:06:23
Speaker
But yeah yeah, I don't know. People might, if you listen to this, don't get mad at me right now. I'm just telling you what's happening out there. I've never done this. I'm just telling you what's happening right now is residents are drawing bull tags and trading them for cow tags all the time it's happening.
Exploiting Hunting Systems
00:06:38
Speaker
And yeah. I think people would be shocked like that that that kind of system, not that one specifically in terms of like, you know, name of me I want to hear about Arizona. We've talked about Arizona. I want to hear about this.
00:06:50
Speaker
Keep going. i'm um I'm interested. There are, there are, you will see people in certain states based on how, you know, group applications are handled and whatnot. You'll definitely see people doing exchanges for services in trade of points.
00:07:05
Speaker
So let's talk about, dude, was to talk Hawaii a little bit, but no, let's talk about that a little bit before we go into this. Cause let's talk about the way people duping the system in Arizona.
00:07:17
Speaker
Cause it is like, I don't want to be like, Oh, it's a rich man's game, but dude, there's like one guy who has drawn like a 15 point unit, like eight years in a row over there and killed bold over. And like, and there's a way he's doing, can't remember the whole deal, but it's like, basically he's just like partnering with someone.
00:07:35
Speaker
partner with people for their points and then pay them think it's totally legal what they're doing not illegal what they're doing don't know maybe it is illegal I don't know maybe it is illegal I don't know I just know what's happening You'd see that quite a bit, a pretty common example of that you actually don't see it as much anymore, but you used to see it in Wyoming, particularly with mule deer.
00:07:57
Speaker
You'd see guys that like, say like had a lot of region G information. They would essentially swap like, Hey, I'll help you with your tag, but you got to share your points with me, you know, and they essentially use that buddy system to then ensure that they're drawing a tag, you know, every couple of years or whatever whatever, you know, skipping that, you know, six, seven, eight year point building period.
00:08:13
Speaker
But yeah, that, that, that, that is a thing that happens for sure.
00:08:18
Speaker
yeah that ah Yeah, the the more shady thing, I guess you're going hunting with them, it's not such a big deal. But the more shady thing for me is the like the paying for points. like I think and i think a lot of that is kind of why you've seen states like Utah make to where you don't get another point if you turn back.
00:08:36
Speaker
So lot of times, do like Utah has where you can basically partner up with somebody, draw the tag, and then turn back. I think the other would keep the tag still. Um, think, so like we'd be able to go up as a team and partner up on a, you had 25 points.
00:08:49
Speaker
We'd partner up and draw a 12 point unit and then turn that tag back. And then they got, and they got to get his point back. Right. And then he'd have 26 points. Well, now it's like, Hey, you turn your tag back. You have 25 points still. And now you've been cramped pretty beyond, like beyond what you're supposed to be. So that's a good, so there are guys doing shady stuff out there, man. I heard too, that you can't run trail cameras in Arizona. If you have a hunting license, um,
00:09:15
Speaker
But some of these outfitters might be paying guys who've lost their hunting license for five years go on trail cameras and they can do it totally legally. So like, yeah, dude. So they're out there running trail cameras because they can't hunt. Anyways, what does it matter? I'm not hunting.
00:09:31
Speaker
and have a hunting license. I'm just running trail cameras because there's no no law against
Critique of Hunting Laws
00:09:35
Speaker
photography. Right. Right. Yeah. It's, it's weird. Just, just some of the rules like that. and it's, it's hard because, you know, a lot of your game agencies, they can only force in force, you know, within, within what's defined as hunting, you know? So like in that example, yeah, it's just a guide, you know, identifying wildlife. It's kind of the same as, is the whole, uh, you know, the wilderness laws in Wyoming from hiking, camping, whatever. I'm totally good to be in the wilderness, but as soon as I'm hunting, you know, I'm toast now.
00:10:01
Speaker
Um, yeah, it's funny. Some of those laws like that. I know that I gripe on Wyoming almost every podcast now, but dude, that wilderness law is so stupid. Like don't raise your, I just put in, i just paid 2200 bucks for a wool tag in Wyoming for my draw. Cause I put it for the special because they freaking fleece you basically with point creep. It's just like you basically have to do the, the special tags now.
00:10:23
Speaker
um Let me hunt the wilderness. Why not? Why can't hunt the wilderness? That's so stupid. It's the dumbest law out there. Like, I want to hunt the wilderness. Like, why can't I hunt the wilderness? And like, you're you're making us all by different points and then it's basically forcing... well All it is, I'll tell you what it is, is just...
00:10:40
Speaker
like the Wyoming guides association probably got in the ear of them and they wanted to make force you have to use guides the same way. I hate that in New Mexico, you have to use a guide.
00:10:51
Speaker
I basically draw any hunts now, like without a guide, you have a one or 2% odds with a guide. You have 10%. And like, I hate that. Like I don't, I don't want to go on a guided hunt. I don't want to do it. The only time I've ever done that New Mexico is I let them guide me for two days, which is the law.
00:11:06
Speaker
And then I left on my own. right And I paid them whatever it was, like $1,000. basically paid to play. That's what i did. Like, hey, here's $1,000. you I don't want your help, but you can kind of show me the area, bring your spot, and then I'm going to leave on my own.
00:11:20
Speaker
Because I don't want to – like, it's just – dude, like, we talked about this before the podcast. Like, I don't necessarily enjoy just killing stuff at all. Mm-hmm.
00:11:31
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Like, it's just not my thing, man. Like I, I like the adventure and I like to hunt, right? That's why you're seeing go to Alaska this year. That's why I'm over here in Hawaii doing this right
Hunting Experiences and Preferences
00:11:41
Speaker
now. Like I went out yesterday and I was joking on the pot before this, I killed, we went out goat hunting and there's these game management units over here.
00:11:49
Speaker
um and I think they're called game management, but there's some of them like restricted areas. Like some of them are bow only. Some of them are rifle only this time of year, muzzleloader only, whatever. It's like this area over here where I am, um You could only hunt it it used to be two days week. Now it's four days a week. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.
00:12:06
Speaker
And you have two goats. You get a tag for a ram, which is like a, you know, mouflon sheep or whatever. And you can go in there and it. Well, dude, it was so easy.
00:12:18
Speaker
Like you can literally around the road and go out and kill some goats like off the side of the road. like So we ended hiking. it We parked. We hiked in. We made it look pretty eventful. we're putting the film out in this week. like we put like We're just going to little short films for this whole trip on me. We're only going to hunt a a few days a week trying to stay married.
00:12:31
Speaker
Yeah. The whole this is my job thing doesn't play well with the wife in Hawaii, apparently. Trying, but it's like, oh, no. indeed you know We only have one minivan, too. I'm just throwing goats back in the van.
00:12:44
Speaker
Anyways, got something. Anyways, dude, like I hiked out with my kid. My kid's filming for me. We went like a mile. Also, I looked to my right. Oh, there's a goat. i I put the stock on.
00:12:56
Speaker
And I look down, there's a Billy. I'm like, there's a good Billy. I'm going shoot that Billy. Get to 55 yards, crawling, stand up, draw back, smoke this Billy at 55 yards. All of a sudden, it's just like a covey of quail. There's just goats everywhere, dude. I look to my left.
00:13:11
Speaker
There's another Billy, even bigger, like 20 yards. I dialed 25, so I wasn't sure. and I shot a little. He went 20. yeah It was a great shot. it was just the higher that i want to shoot him. um Went double long down, you know what i mean? And just he went 20 yards, done. And all sudden, I'm done.
00:13:26
Speaker
and i was telling you before the show i'm like honestly like I don't think I will personally hunt goats again this trip.
00:13:37
Speaker
I'll have my son hunt. Because my son would probably want to shoot two goats every single day. He'd be all about it. Oh, yeah. But at my age and what I'm doing, it like like i just it doesn't appeal to me.
00:13:50
Speaker
to go out i dont want to go i'd love I'd have more fun watching him do it, get get his first bow kill this weekend or this week or this month. Totally. Then me going out into smoking to go today and honestly have to deal with it Cause it's like, it's so easy.
00:14:02
Speaker
But now like if yeah if I find a mufloan sheep and i got to go high elevation, right. Get up in like kind of the Alpine area here. Like that's appealing to me. Right. Or even running pigs with dogs. I'm kind of into that right now. I like that. It's fun. Cause it's an adventure.
00:14:15
Speaker
That's fun. But I don't need to go back like every single day and shoot eight goats every weekend, right? Two a day, four days, do that. It's just not, it's not really, there's there's a spot around here that's a public land spot I want to go into. It's like a private beach. has like cliffs and stuff that there's some goats back there. Like that sounds interesting. It's like a three mile hike into this beach. And I'm like, oh, that sounds very interesting to me. For sure. Right. But just like pulling off the road and doing it.
00:14:38
Speaker
doesn't really get me off man and like i don't know dude like it's just not my style so where i was going with that was the guided thing like i don't want to pay you to take me like i still don't have an archery bull don't have one um this year was first year i ever did archery hunt bulls um got close didn't get it done my first bull will not be guided but it will not, I do not, it doesn't appeal to me at all to have you go to go out with with somebody have them got it. Now, if I went out with like, they mean you go hunting together like a friend, like I'm fine with that. Like that that working together. Right. Like,
00:15:13
Speaker
But what I don't want to do is go pay you know Joe's outfitting in Colorado and go to a ranch, have him guide me in the bull. I'm not knocking it. I mean, I just went to Texas two weeks ago. I fought him, though. he killed a bison. He killed a whitetail.
00:15:25
Speaker
i mean, there were some tags some of the animal's ears. But it was still super fun, and it was a great time. just they asked me I wanted to kill something. I was like, no, I'm good. i don't I don't want to kill anything. It's just not my style, right? like it's just not like I don't need you to shoot stuff just to shoot stuff, right? like What I want to do – go to New Zealand and go to Alaska and go all these adventure hunts and do this stuff and get my butt kicked and have the memories way more than kill something. And I'm sorry, this is your podcast. Do not just fuck for five minutes.
00:15:54
Speaker
No, I think that's like a good thing to talk about though. mean, cause like we get faced with the question from our, from our users quite a bit of like, Hey, should I, should I go guided?
00:16:04
Speaker
And I think that there's definitely like, room to talk about that. I it's definitely, it's a subjective subject, you know, like myself. We're talking New Mexico, right? Or are you talking all hunts in general? Just in general, in general. Yeah. I mean, you know, I think lot of it at the end of the day, and I tell people just whether you're going ride it or whether you're just looking to use your points for application, you know, deciding on like, how do you want to use those points?
00:16:27
Speaker
I'd say I'm fairly similar to you in that, like I much more enjoy kind of the adventure aspect of going on out of state hunts, as opposed to like, you know, the
DIY Elk Hunting Journey
00:16:35
Speaker
tag getting punched at the end of it. And sometimes, like, a guided hunt may not be a bad option when you look at, like, short-cutting that learning curve. you know, if there's particular hunting style you want to learn about you have an outfitter that works in that way, you know, may not be just doing the game. 100%.
00:16:51
Speaker
I got a buddy back in Montana, specializes in public land, Montana, general elk hunting. They do backpack hunts and that kind of thing. Like that's a gnarly, gnarly hunt, even though it's a guided, like you're going drastic. Like that's going great hunt from a learning experience.
00:17:04
Speaker
Um, you know, so I think, yeah, looking at guided hunts, like from an investment standpoint, I think hold great value for some people, you know, but then, you know, also there's, there's people that enjoy doing a guided hunt. That's what they want to do, you know, but, but yeah, you know, to your point, like,
00:17:18
Speaker
killing a bull, you know, or somebody kind of walking into it as opposed to, you know, sleeping in the dirt and getting kicked in the teeth for eight days. And then finally connecting like there, there's a way different, different feeling, you know, at the end of that.
00:17:30
Speaker
Dude, it's so much more rewarding to do it yourself. Like, it's just like, and I'm not knocking it like, and I'm not saying I never do like guided stuff. Right. Like,
00:17:43
Speaker
um what did I do guided? I went to Hawaii last year. It had to be guided, right? But like, I only killed it. I could have shot 30 sheet or 30 deer. I shot two. Like, I only want to shoot two. They're like, you should make it one. I'm like, I don't, I just want shoot two.
00:17:55
Speaker
Let's go run some pigs. Let's have some fun. Hang out. Like, I'm good. Like, I don't need to go. i don't want to come here and slaughter animals. This is not my thing. Um, but like, it's just, do you When you finally get it done, right? And I know, granted, like I have more time than most guys now, right?
00:18:11
Speaker
But even when I didn't have time, even when I was making no money and i was trying to go on one or two hunts a year, i was going out of state, like i I always did DIY. like My first bull, be straight up with you i shot my first bull in 2017.
00:18:26
Speaker
it was the first elk I had ever seen in the wild.
00:18:33
Speaker
and Not in a state park. And I killed it. Right. It took six days. It took six days. i didn't even see a cow and dude, like I'm, should tell a story right now. So I drew this tag. I just started big game hunting in 2014. If you don't know that about me.
00:18:47
Speaker
And I got a GoHunt membership in 20... I'm going to straight listen to GoHunt. and twenty so I went on a couple hunts. I went on one hunt in Arizona with my buddy Johnny in 2014. We listened to a J. Scott podcast.
00:19:01
Speaker
And I think he was already working with you guys at the time. And he mentioned GoHunt. Or maybe it was Newberg. It was like GoHunt or Newberg. No, it have been Newberg. One of those two, whatever. And so they started talking GoHunt.
00:19:11
Speaker
And I picked up a GoHunt membership in 2016. Best thing I ever did. Tracer wouldn't be And I said this on your guys podcast. I think it's coming out today. And I got to go hunt membership and I started figuring it out, man. And like, I was just wanting to hunt, man. And I'm still that way now. Like, I'm not like a big, like you have to go the best units guy.
00:19:30
Speaker
i kind of want to figure it out and just go hunting more. And I ended up drawing a one of the, what do they call them? I would call it undesirables. Elk Hunt in Arizona. ah What do they call them?
00:19:40
Speaker
they could They call them something. It's like. Probably like the limited opportunity. Limited opportunity. Yeah. Undesirable is a good, better term for that. Which basically means, and I told this to people before, like when you see a limited opportunity, you see a lot of kills.
00:19:52
Speaker
There's some really good ranches in a couple of those units over there. that do all the killing. Right. And that's what you don't realize. Right. So then I wish there was a way for you to separate private land from public land. I wish there was a way to do that. Cause like people need to watch that. Like if you look at a land, a unit and it's got like really high success rates and then you need to do some research. Sometimes you're like well what, what ranches are on that?
00:20:15
Speaker
Oh crap. There's a there's a 10,000, 20,000 acre ranch. They're probably killing the majority of the bulls that you're seeing in that percentage. and you might go to cut that percentage in half. Right. I would almost argue a lot using kind of unit percentage and half because of private land.
00:20:27
Speaker
But anyways, go back from that. I go and I draw that. so I'm sorry, Chad, block that out. Why did I say the unit? Ah, whatever. Chad, seriously, take that out.
00:20:39
Speaker
Anyways, with one point, end up drawing an undesirable unit. Dang it. i I've been trying not to say the states and I said the states and now said the unit. So anyways, I draw a limited entry tag over there and no idea what I'm doing, dude. And i go over there.
00:20:54
Speaker
I've got a rifle and I've got like, ah A 260 is all I have. I don't have any other guns. A 260 Remington, which is essentially a Creedmoor. I know make fun of it. I've got... ah but There's no dial on this gun. It's just a got a holdover in it, right?
00:21:08
Speaker
And just going to go. i might have had a tripod. I think I had a tripod by then. I had some cheesy metal tripod with like ah some giant plastic head I got on. like Everything on Camel Fire, right? is why everything i can right Oh, yeah. um I'm probably wearing at that time... i imagine I'm just wearing...
00:21:26
Speaker
real tree I'm assuming back then. Um, and I took one of my employees with me. wanted to learn how to hunt for me, which is funny because I had no idea what was doing. And dude, we hunted for six days, did not see an elk.
00:21:39
Speaker
Not a cow, nothing. Sign everywhere. You're trying to glass. Did not see an elk, dude. And then, like, we ended up moving, like, 60 miles south or something. Maybe 30, probably 30 miles south, I guess. I know it took us three hours to get there. It's just a checkerboard unit.
00:21:53
Speaker
Wow. And it took us so long to get there. Pulled it at night. Hunted the next morning. Lots of sign everywhere. There's a water hole. Did not see an elk. And, dude, we, like, go up...
00:22:03
Speaker
ah to this, like we go to drive out of there where camp's set up down there by this water hole and we meet right into this guy and he's paying a guide and I'm like, oh man, the guy's like, oh yeah, there's no elk down here.
00:22:15
Speaker
You need to go up here by the highway and he was just like, Hmm. And my guy who was with me is like, Oh dude, that guy, that was so nice. I'm going to tell us where to go. And I'm like, that guy's a liar. You don't pay a guide. You don't pay a guide unless there's a bull in here you want to kill. Right.
00:22:31
Speaker
And so I'm like, we're staying. And I was like, at this point, I'm so exhausted. I'm tired. It's we're, we're in a little, little tent for a week. You know what I mean? it is doing And I said, ah I'm like, I'm going to build a blind on this water.
00:22:43
Speaker
and just try and we're sitting in this blind I built a blind we're sitting on this water hole and dude like at one point a truck an F-150 drives by and is like look going creeping by a road hunt and drives away ah dude like I'm telling you 10 minutes before dark I just hear crashing like a dinosaur coming through the bushes dude just crashing dude and I'm like what is that what is that what is that what is that and dude like out of nowhere this freaking broken up raghorn bull five by five, but it was only it's only like a two by three. It's still over my fireplace. It's favorite animal I've ever killed.
00:23:17
Speaker
And it jumps this like four or five foot freaking barbed wire fence right into the water. comes water hole. Dude, I freaking rack a load and I just start shooting this bull, dude. And I shot that bull. I shot him five times. I shot him. Wait, no.
00:23:30
Speaker
Four times. Four times. I shot him three times he went down, tried to get back up. I shot him in the net. Cause Randy Newberg always said, just keep shooting till they're down. And it's all I knew. totally And it was like 150 yards or 120, don't know, a hundred yards. And I got off my knees and dude, it's the only time I've ever cried.
00:23:46
Speaker
Like I was like, I was like, I was on on a hunt. Like I like, I couldn't control myself. The emotions were like, I was just like on the ground rolling. Like I could not believe it just happened. It manifested that the last night of the hunt. The next day we're going home, this bull shows up, dude. And I killed that bull.
00:24:03
Speaker
And dude, I didn't know how to clean it. didn't even know what to do. know. Like I'd only done like a couple deer, dude. Like I had no idea what I was doing, bro. And like, uh, I like, I ran up and got that guide I'm like, Hey man, like, can you help me? Like, I don't know what I'm doing. you And on a bowl, you know what I mean? And he's like, yeah, yeah. And then dude, the guy who was with was all pissed off.
00:24:25
Speaker
And so the the guy who was with didn't even come down and the guide came, no, the guy who was just came down, looked at it and left. And, And the guy ended up telling me, he's like, yeah, dude, we're after like a seven by seven bull. He thought you shot his bull. He was furious.
00:24:37
Speaker
yeah So, uh, the cool thing is we put the whole elk into, were able to put the whole elk into my truck. And those guys who drove by in their F one 50 earlier, or like just, I guess there's like some old guys who've been going to the same unit. They have a deer camp.
00:24:52
Speaker
And they're like 75 years old. They had it. So we ended up taking it to their house and they strung it up in a tree for it for us with a good winch. And, uh, and they were just like, they were all excited to have an elk in camp, right? They're all old. Like the only elk that killed that year.
00:25:05
Speaker
Yeah. We did that. And then, uh, my meat care was terrible. The elk tasted terrible because meat spoiled. I ended eating the whole thing, but it was terrible. I didn't do it right. But anyways, you know, you learning, right? And, but dude, like anyone who's listening to right now, who's questioning if you go DIY or go guided,
00:25:21
Speaker
Dude, if you have a pair of legs and you're capable of getting around, go DIY. Because that story I just told you, it will stick for me the rest of my life. Where I could have gone with a guide and he would have got me on a bull and he knows where a bull is. It's there. He's been spotting it all season and I would have killed that bull.
00:25:38
Speaker
It is nowhere near as fulfilling as doing it on your own. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing, man. Like I, you know, in our line of work, obviously, you know, we deal with people that are trying to do their first Western hunts whatever. And I tell people that all the time, like it,
00:25:54
Speaker
Doing an out-of-state hunt, whether it's Western hunt or just another state, otherwise it's intimidating. It's scary. There's a lot of logistics, but like once you go and do it one time, it's so much easier after that. And and like the tag part is not the hard part. It's, you know, kind of gear do I put in my truck? Where am I going to sleep while I'm out there? How am going to my food? you know, how am to take care of an animal if I kill it?
00:26:15
Speaker
It's all those logistical things. And once once you get those figured out, The rest is easy. And to that point is like a new ah new person coming in, you know, whether you're young or, you know, later in life or you just want experience.
00:26:27
Speaker
You could elk hunt every single year without problem. There's so many hunts out
Hunting Preparation and Gear
00:26:32
Speaker
there available. And and if you're okay, you know, looking at antlers, tags, cow elk licenses, whatever, ah you could do a hunt every single year, have a full freezer and just be a happy person.
00:26:42
Speaker
Like there's so much opportunity. Go kill a freaking cow. Like I'll probably go, and depends on what we draw. I think my kids going draw a tag. I'm trying to say States anymore. Trying to be like more Brady-esque.
00:26:53
Speaker
I think my kids going draw a bull tag some deer tags a state. And so I probably won't. And I'm going to Kenya from, like I think October, like 21st through November sixth it's like the worst dates of the world to go to Kenya missions where to not even hunting.
00:27:10
Speaker
And I'm like, dude, you could pick a worse time. So I got to line that up in there too. But, uh, like, dude, go get a cow tag. Totally. So much fun. And you're going to go and get like, dude, like we killed, I don't know. I mean, I probably been involved in, don't know, 10, 12 bull elk bulls and cow kills, maybe more than that. 15 maybe now.
00:27:30
Speaker
So like now I can process them. Right. But we went over there a couple of years ago and we killed three cows. yeah I'll tell you what, I can, I can process an elk like, nothing now right it's like it's quick you know what i mean like i did i don't know how many gear i did this year but like do i did two goats yesterday like like processing isn't even hard anymore you just figure it out you know and then game meat meat care is not hard anymore i figured out how you figure how to do that with coolers and bags all that stuff like you have to just go hunting and do it you know what i mean and like and i my recommendation to you the guy who's listening to this who's out east wants to come out west when you're like worried about gear like you're packing too many too much gear that's probably what's happening
00:28:06
Speaker
Yeah, totally. Yeah. i mean, like out of everything, you care like I use the same like five things every day and then the rest of it's just like, you know, shit it's the fan type of situation, you know, but yeah, like, you know, one common saying we say around our office all the time is, I mean, we use it for elk, but it's universal. is The only way to get good at killing elk is by killing elk.
00:28:27
Speaker
And to your point, like, you know, now, you draw a really nice elk tag in the next few years. You know how to elk, you know how to break a bulldog, you know to take care of him. You know all of that is, is figured and sorted. Now you can just go focus on your hunt, have fun, you know, and and, and, you know, soak it up.
00:28:44
Speaker
Yeah. And especially if you're, I mean, you just have to go do it. And like, honestly, like, Get lame tags. Get... Not lame tags. Get easier to draw tags, deer tags. Go out there and just kill stuff, man. Go out there and kill three by three. Go out and kill freaking forkies, dude. I'm all about Go kill some forks, dude.
00:29:03
Speaker
Draw some tags. Go do it. Learn how to glass, man. Like I'm telling you right now, like if there's a deer in an area, I'm probably going to find it. I'm very confident bossing abilities. But it's because I spend...
00:29:15
Speaker
80 days a year behind glass, hundred days a year behind glass looking for stuff. Right. Like I'm going to find it. Right. Like yesterday i went out and like found goats. Like, it's just like, you just, it's the more you do it, the better you're going to get at it. And every in while you're going to stumble into a giant, so but you're going to learn. And like another recommendation for me too, is if you can find a unit where you can hunt every year, every other year, stick to that one unit. If you go and do it once, stick to that one unit and get to know it.
00:29:42
Speaker
I say that a lot. Local knowledge in an area will kill big animals. Yeah. Because you're going to spend, i mean, and if you don't have the ability like to, you know, like say I draw a unit this year i don't know, try and get over there at least two days early and figure it out.
00:29:59
Speaker
Especially on some of these states where it's like a five day season, like Oregon or New Mexico, or like if you're spending the first three days trying to figure it out, you're really limiting yourself.
00:30:12
Speaker
to where to go right like it's just it's much better to try and get over there you know you're already taking five days off for probably more than that right seven days off for work everything dude make it nine days like no joke like the extra two days will make that hunt so much more valuable to you and honestly you might get done on day one anyways yeah totally and that can i think that goes good back into the point of hunt as often as you can and when you can too because if you're going to start to learn like hey this hunting strategy works for me very well you know this is something i can lean into it i'm i'm a big proponent of mean you have to hunt different states in different ways know like your arizona elk hunt is going to way different than what you're going to do in montana or wyoming pro um you know but but learning like how to approach a unit like myself personally now i feel confident enough say if i'm like say if i'm planning an archery elk i feel confident enough that
00:31:03
Speaker
I can do all my e-scouting at home and find all the places where I'm going to find elk. And most of my value once I get to that unit now is learning where's the road system, what roads are open, what roads are closed, where are all my access points.
00:31:14
Speaker
I feel confident once I have that figured out, I can find elk from those locations, but I need to figure out where's all my access at so I can go through my process and find my spots. And also having...
00:31:26
Speaker
A plan, A, B, C, D, E, and F. So you can move. Cause a lot of times you get there and even though you did e-scout it, and I can say I'm pretty similar, right? Like I could figure out where animals are now with, you know, looking for benches, looking for burns, looking for and all this stuff. I mean, if you have, if you're listening to this thing, go take Mark, let me say his treeline pursuits Academy. It will change your life. um I've had to listen to Mark like 50 times in person now. So I'm pretty an expert at this stuff.
00:31:51
Speaker
ah No, I've never been an expert marketing. He's way too in-depth. But anyways, um you never know. you need to have like five plans or at least three plans because yeah like, you know, we had to make a, we had a couple plans this year for my kids deer hunt.
00:32:03
Speaker
And the first plan doesn't work. I mean, and you were texting. We're on the same hunt together. yeah and I were texting and I'm like, i'm going to make a move. And I made a move because I had to other, I had planned like B and C set up. And I ended up going to like plan C and we ended up killing a buck.
00:32:15
Speaker
You know what mean? The same thing with my, with my elk that I killed, I had a, thinking of a and a B plan, but my A plan wasn't working out. And I decided to make a move and we moved and I ended up killing a bull.
00:32:26
Speaker
You know what i mean? Totally. it's It's so much worth, like, sometimes, that's why I'm very much going to, like, a um and my truck has a camper on it now, a topper on it now. Yeah. um I don't really like running my, I have a big wall tent, 16 by 12. I don't like running it.
00:32:39
Speaker
I like running, like, ah my truck and canvas cutters and being mobile. Totally. Or I like running, like, or I'll do even, like, the Kodiak canvas. I really like that
Comfort and Reflection in the Outdoors
00:32:49
Speaker
tent. Where it doesn't bite heater because can set up a lot quicker.
00:32:52
Speaker
Like, when you do, when you stake down 16 by 12 wall tent, you're staying there. Oh yeah. You know what mean? Like that's it. Cause like no one wants to take that thing down twice.
00:33:03
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And I've got similar setup as I got my hunting truck. I got a topper set up on it with a bed in the back so i can be mobile. I'm like, that's a hundred percent how I approach archery. Oh, cause I like to be mobile and I, I focus on dayhunt as opposed to back types. I'm constantly moving and just, you know, sleep back the truck, Coleman stove on the tailgate, you know, just quick and dirty by myself.
00:33:23
Speaker
Oh dude, you need to get that jet boil Genesis. Oh, yeah? Oh, bro. It is, like, so much better than the Coleman.
00:33:34
Speaker
So much better, dude. You should hit him up and, like, see if you can do some trading or something for some content or something. Yeah, right. He's super cool. The guy who runs their their page is a hunter. Oh, okay, cool.
00:33:45
Speaker
So hit him up. Very cool. That Genesis, at least he's got an interest discount on that thing. Yeah, that's awesome. Because it's, like, so much. And it comes with everything's there, dude. So comes with, like... It almost looks like ah like a little like hamburger, and it comes inside of a pot and with a lid that that is the pan, and it's all I use. they do like It's like I don't even bring out my Blackstone anymore. like I just bring that out, dude. It's like so easy to use.
00:34:06
Speaker
Oh, that's awesome. I love that. Yeah, I'm all about making camp life easy. It's a good thing. I've noticed too, like – getting older. Like, I appreciate like the comfort, you know, like when I was younger, I remember like, dude, I just like throw my sleep bag on the ground, like no pad. And like, was just good. You sleep a couple hours. You're ready to go. But now like I get back to the truck and I got like sweatpants at the truck, like slippers. I change into, you know, like I'm, oh bro, when I get back, dude, I mean, it's like,
00:34:32
Speaker
for me, and i think it's more so for me because I spend so much time in the field now. Like, like I, up this year I got my truck, my new, my new topper on it. i got an order designs topper. It's money.
00:34:44
Speaker
Um, It's so comfy. Like, I like that because I'm just like, I don't want to be miserable. Even my backpacking setup, I carry like a a bigger pad now. I carry like a four inch thick, like 24 inch wide by like 84. It weighs like 18 ounces. Like, yes, I have, I have Neowares and have Xtherms.
00:35:03
Speaker
But dude, when you sleep on that thing, it's just like, oh my God. yeah i'm the same way i sleep like garbage whenever backpack hunt so do yeah i sleep so much better oh man i'm awful i just i'm a really light sleeper and i just i get anxious thinking about stuff so i just don't fall asleep but yeah i roll yeah three and a half inch thick pad i got a big pillow that i carry like i can't do the small little pillows like yeah i gotta be real comfy oh in the truck dude or in the canvas cutter like I have a, like my bag is like a big, like the the canvas sleeping bag with plaid, plaid sheets and like a plaid pillow, like the thermal ones. And I'm like, Oh dude, I want comfy. And the canvas go to a full size pillow.
00:35:44
Speaker
But even when I'm backpacking, I run a pillow. I bring like a blow up, like seat of summit pillow. Cause like everyone's like, Oh, just use your jacket. It's like, no man. Cause the jacket's not comfy. The pillow is great. Adjust the air. And I'm like a good night's sleep is great.
00:35:58
Speaker
And honestly, this podcast is going everywhere, dude, but it's fine. okay oh keeps going ah Honestly, like i sleep better. I don't sleep well, like full disclosure. I take sleeping pills at night. Like my brain doesn't shut off. Like people don't understand. Like everything, how do you create so much stuff? And it's like, I don't, I can't turn off Yeah. But when I go backpacking, like, dude, I could crash out and like just sleep so well. And the cool thing about backpacking is too, is it's like, ideally you don't have service. Right. I mean, I guess I have Starlink now and I'm back to my truck, but ah like you go to bed so early, know,
00:36:29
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like, like I don't like people think like, don't know anybody actually does a fire when they're out there on the Hills. Like during the day. Yes. like at night I get back to camp, I'm just like getting the teepee and like turning the stove on or getting in the hillburg, getting to my sleeping bag, like laying down and just, I crash out and I sleep so well.
00:36:45
Speaker
What happens with me is dude, is like, I started becoming like feral. When I get home, I can't sleep and I want to go sleep in the yard. Like I'm like, I have like a couch and I can't go lay on that and sleep outside sometimes. Cause like, I'm just like,
00:36:57
Speaker
and was go you miss being home? Like, I just love sleeping outside. Like, I just like, I get anxious, dude. Like, I want to go. i want to get out and be outside. That makes sense. Yeah, i don't I don't think I necessarily get like that with sleeping, but I'll definitely notice like, you know, if I've been on a seven or 10 day hunt and I get home and like we go to the grocery store or Walmart or something like that, like being around that many people, like it's a shock to the system immediately. And that's like one thing, like I really, as I'm getting older, i try to,
00:37:27
Speaker
like while I'm on those hunts, be as present as possible and not like, like during the downtime zone, I'm not being on animals instead of being like, okay, crap, what do do to find them? Like, you know, just trying to be like, okay, look where you're at, like enjoy where you're at. So can stuff like, I've noticed like just the importance of that, uh, as I've gotten older and like, you know, I've found like hunts that I've looked back on now that like, I wish I would have done that more.
00:37:49
Speaker
Um, but that's where now, like for me, Like I very much like, like the exploration side of out of state hunting. Like if Arizona is a closed state for me. I love hunting Arizona because like the terrain is just wild.
00:38:01
Speaker
You know, especially for me growing up in Montana, it's like way a different, you know? so I just doing things like that and seeing cool things. And honestly, like you always hear, you know, flack about like, you know, non-resident hunters and out of states and all that. But like everybody that I've ever encountered on my out of state hunts, particularly the resident side, have been the best people.
00:38:21
Speaker
I only had like one or two issues. It's always with Utah people. Cause Utah people are crazy. One or two. I got like, go to pull, flip me off, go to pull a gun out on me one time. Cause I gave him the peace sign. He thought I flipped them off and I'm like, bro.
00:38:34
Speaker
So I parked my truck back into a spot just because I was like, screw you. I'm going to hike in right here now where you are. Instead driving up the road a mile. Sometimes I kind of enjoy that. We don't have to have front plates in Utah. So when I'm out state places, i' I'll back in you knowde spots. Yeah.
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. You hear the stories you the stories of like, Oh, don't Oregon be careful. and over by the he county side They'll pop your tires. But I've never had that experience. I'm also very friendly. You know what i mean? I just like, yeah do it you know, but no dude, like we talk about being present when you're out there. Like I would say like, I'm not like toot my own horn. Like I'm a very positive hunter.
00:39:10
Speaker
Very, very positive. Like, like you're never to home with me. Like, i don't want to home with that guy. Like I'm going to hunt all day long. I'm going to go the flow of like, you know, if we're working a team, we'll do that.
00:39:23
Speaker
And I'm constantly saying we can get one tomorrow. We can get like, it's like at any moment of deer, I understand I'm doing it long enough now that I know that like
Mindset and Spiritual Growth
00:39:30
Speaker
people don't understand this. Like, dude, like, The seventh day is the same as the first day, especially our trip.
00:39:35
Speaker
You know what i mean? Like I get it. I'm like, I've had rifle hunts where it's like, it just starts getting blown out. Right. It does. Like I didn't know kind a couple of years ago, my kid missed. And it was like, we were on seven bulls opening morning and we could not get on a bull the rest of the trip. Like we tried and just, it just like, it was like world war three. It's just like, screw you guys were out here.
00:39:51
Speaker
But dude, like even then, like you have to hunt. I never go home early and I stay out there the whole time because like, dude, like, what's the alternative? Like being in an office somewhere?
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah. Like, dude, hate that. do I hate the negative. Like, Oh, this is your, Oh, the weather. Oh, the moon. Oh, whatever. The heat, ah the the heat last year. right We don't It's so hot. every so i was I'm like, i so I have a permanent farmer's hand for wearing my go hunt, like long sleeves all year.
00:40:18
Speaker
And like my hand, but just my hand is tan. My rest of my arm is not like, you know i mean? You could have, there's so many things you make excuses for it. Once you start doing that, dude, it's over. Like, dude, like yeah you are out in the freaking West, in the greatest country in the world, in the greatest States in the world, where there's all this public land that you own.
00:40:36
Speaker
Like, dude, like if you can't enjoy that, like, I don't want to be around you. For sure. And like, admittedly, i used to be that guy. Like that's something I've worked on a lot. Like I used to, like the, the success of the hunt was put on such a high pedestal for me that like, if things weren't going right, i would just get off center immediately.
00:40:58
Speaker
And I, and then, and then, yeah, you're starting to, Well, I'm out of here. I should be at home. You know, that those kinds of thoughts start coming in. I would say like my biggest like shift in success, both in punch tags and also just like my like personal enjoyment and and gain and fulfillment from these hunts has been Like kind of the realization of like, there's a lot of things that you can't control in hunting.
00:41:22
Speaker
You know, like if if you, if you got up early and you hiked to your, your glassing spot and you were there a half hour before daylight, nobody else is in it. You did everything right. You didn't spot a deer that morning. Like it just, it wasn't meant to be, you did what you were supposed to do and it didn't work out.
00:41:35
Speaker
You know, whereas like before I'd be like, The universe is out to get me. Like, it's BS that I hate to hear and I didn't see anything, you know but like, it's so easy to put, like, they're just, at the end of the day, they're animals. you know like they're just they They got simple things that's running their system and that's what they're concerned with. And it's so easy to just to just get in your head and spiral out and just, yeah, everybody's miserable around you. You're not enjoying your hunt. And now this hunt you've waited all year for, you're going home early and you're gonna live with regret you know and and until you get to go again.
00:42:05
Speaker
Yeah, dude. And like, literally, if your success and your happiness is based on ah like a kill, that's a miserable way to hunt. Like, dude, it's not good for your soul, man. It's not good for your mind. Like, for me, like, dude, like, I'm obviously a Christian, right? I'm always out there and I'm like, just thank you, God, for being, like, look where I am right now.
00:42:25
Speaker
Like, you created this place for me. Look where I am right now. Like, look the opportunity i have. I'm out here and, like, I'm just enjoying it. Like, that's where I get, like, people I can't even go Hawaii for a month.
00:42:36
Speaker
Dude. My first night here, I redesigned a center column. I shouldn't even, whatever. I'll say it at three in the morning. I woke up dude. And like, it's good for my soul. Right. Like and when I went, like, it's good for me to have that, like to have that time out there just to think and be out of the rat race. Like, enjoy it, man. Like I'm going to Kenya this year and Just for missions, in the middle of hunting season. and The last time I went, I created the Tricer AP and the Arca plate we make, the 0.6 ounce Arca plate.
00:43:07
Speaker
And we sell more of those than any other item in our store. And it's like, you know, and I don't go for that reason, this stuff, but like, it's cause I got out of my comfort zone. I did something and I just enjoyed it and like, let God have his way with me. And like, just let like my mind, like relax and think like you need like change your perspective.
00:43:26
Speaker
Like that's the biggest thing. Perspective is everything on those on hunts. And like, if your perspective is I didn't kill anything. Well, dude, I'm you right now there's way more people out there just hiking with no guns, enjoying it.
00:43:37
Speaker
Why can't you? Totally. Totally. Yeah. And yeah, I think like, you know, yeah, I want, I would like everybody that does get really hung up on the kill to look at that. Not even like in a negative statement, like, Hey, if you're doing this, you're hunting for the wrong reasons you shouldn't be doing it. Like as a wake up of like,
00:43:56
Speaker
try to enjoy these things a little bit more because you will get so much more fulfillment out of it and and like to your point with like having those products come to you like those hardships like they suck so bad while you're in it but like at the tail end of that on the on the back end of that the feeling that you get from like that accomplishment is like there's nothing that measures up to that and i think like one of like the easiest examples of that is is packing out an elk like it's awful in the middle it's horrible but like The moment you sit on your tailgate and... Dude, the best feeling in the world, bro. I wish you could like bottle that up.
00:44:28
Speaker
it's it's It's like my favorite part of any hunt is sitting the last load down on the tailgate. It's the best. The last load. The first load's like, oh God, I gotta go back. I gotta go back. Awful. Awful. But dude, it's like... And honestly, for me too, I think a lot of it comes from... always out there with... I'm always kind of the leader on most my hunts I'm on, whether be with...
00:44:51
Speaker
other people I'm hunting with or with my children. Like I want to be that leader. I want to be that positive person. Cause it's, it's, it's contagious. Right. And like, like my kids, are so motivated and so driven, right?
Commitment and Challenges in Hunting
00:45:05
Speaker
Like my 18 year old, he's over here in YWAM doing three months missions. I was going to ah Kazakhstan or something like that, or Kurdistan Friday for three months, come back and go to college, be a lawyer. Like he's so driven.
00:45:16
Speaker
And I guarantee you most of that is because of going on hunts and doing stuff with dad and seeing me act that way. And if he goes out there with me and he sees me just like, Oh, this is effing sucks. Blah, blah, blah. This is what's going Let's do this. Let's go stay. Let's just sleep in.
00:45:32
Speaker
Like, no dude. Like, Hey, the alarm will have. It's four 30. Get out of your sleeping bag. Let's go. Yeah. I know it's cold. I know it's snowing. I know it's windy, but we got to go like that.
00:45:43
Speaker
Like that breeds something in the people around me and in myself. Like it just makes me a better person. and And if you're already out there, dude, like I'm telling you right now, i says a million times a podcast, like, You're never going to regret staying the whole time.
00:45:57
Speaker
You will live the rest of your life remembering the hunts you went home from. Totally. i you live like I've only done it like once. One in my mind, I injured a javelina. I couldn't find it.
00:46:09
Speaker
lion ended up picking it up. And it was like lion or something. coyote, I don't know, drug it off. um And i so this was like years ago. i was so distraught that I went home. And like, that's, it was, I had a deer tag, everything I fuck i went home and I'm like, dude, like what would happen stayed?
00:46:25
Speaker
And like, dude, like you'll never, you will like, you get this all the time, right? Dave, we go out and we spend 10 days in the back country, right? You're exhausted. You've been backpacking. You want a cheeseburger so bad.
00:46:37
Speaker
You finally get out of the back, but your hunt's over. You're driving home. What do you want to do? Oh yeah, immediately. You want to go back. You want to go back immediately, dude. immediately We got our butt kicked out of Elkhart last year as I'm thinking of that one. And I'm like, I have a 16-yard drive home and like, dude, i just want to go back.
00:46:54
Speaker
I just want to go back and do right now. Like, you you enjoy the moments you have out there. Like, I'm not trying to be all like, aura whatever do you guys but like dude like enjoy it like you're out there in the hills all the time you're with your kids you're not get those times back you know what i mean like you just enjoy it take it and let it work on your soul let it work on your mind let it make you a better husband let it make you a better father let it make you a better employee whatever it is man and like that's how i that's why i spend so much time out there like it just makes me better i try and soak it all in and just let my mind like
00:47:27
Speaker
Like, dude, like I have time to come back in on Instagram. Trust me. I have time to come back and like email and argue with people and do that stuff. Like just... Right. Yeah, it's... Yeah. Yeah. that Like I said, that that has been...
00:47:41
Speaker
like a huge shift in my focus with my hunting and and like where I've gotten the most fulfillment out of it is just like the lessons I've learned from my huts. And more often than not, that lesson comes from a very tough, grindy hunt where like you're you're pushed to your limits the whole time.
Partnership with GoHunt
00:48:00
Speaker
Yep. All right, dude. I have a couple things I want to go over with you, like ah just like work stuff. um Because GoHunt is by far probably my favorite partner.
00:48:12
Speaker
GoHunt is my first and favorite. I've been, i think Porter told me i was like number 2000 member or something like that. now I can't remember what it was. like i've been on the i've been on the books. and He's like, oh, you've been in forever. Like I've been, I'm like team GoHunt like way before. I still pay for my membership. I still haven't got a free membership. So I still pay for that. I don't want a free one either.
00:48:27
Speaker
I'd like to say that I pay for it. Um, it's the best $149 I pay every year. Hands down. It's my GoHunt membership. And, um, I have a couple of things I want to talk about. i want to talk about, obviously the new determinative, what is it called?
00:48:43
Speaker
The predictive odds. Predictive odds. I want to talk about that. we should probably end with that. And I want to talk about, uh, Colorado going to a non over the counter, um, tag, which I'm i'm kind of excited And I think I'm the only ones excited about it.
00:49:01
Speaker
And I can tell you why, uh,
00:49:04
Speaker
Yeah. So let's do Colorado first. um So as of right now, I think rifle is over the counter archery up until 2026. Archery is, is, is not over the counter anymore. You have to draw in 2025.
00:49:18
Speaker
And, um but what people don't understand is, is like similar to California, your second choice is essentially over the counter. That's what people don't understand.
00:49:30
Speaker
Yeah. ahead. good Yeah, I was going to say there, yeah, drawing a second choice hunt in Colorado does not use your preference points. So that's how California works as well. So like we always put in a Shoot for the Stars unit first, and then our local unit second, like our local D16. We put that as our second choice. We always draw it because it's knock us out.
00:49:52
Speaker
So in Colorado this year, like I know what unit... Like I've been no joke, dude. I've been crept two years in a row. You know that. ka mean, you've been talking for like three years now and like two years in row, I had one hundred percent draw odds. And then I'm like, Dave, I'm going to fly over there and beat your butt, bro. Cause I've got crept again.
00:50:07
Speaker
um and that's what we're getting. It's going to lead into predictive draws. But, uh, so anyways, I'll put down probably one of those units again, and then I will put down the unit that hunted last year, my second unit unit that I hunted, as my second choice, and I'll probably draw that tagging how that draw have that tag in my pocket.
00:50:24
Speaker
There's a few things here. I'm excited for guys to potentially um go and blow their points on their first choice. Yeah.
00:50:35
Speaker
which would be nice. Get some guys. i like like Cool. Like that's going to happen. People are going to put it. We got to, been doing all the same unit for 20 years. We got to draw it. So we're going to both. Hopefully lowers the point points down. And the second thing is um it's going to hopefully lower numbers in units of people.
00:50:53
Speaker
to have to pick the unit you want to hunt versus I can hunt the whole state. Yeah. What do you, what's your take on it? Is everyone screwed? Is elk hunting dead in Colorado? So I myself am also excited about the changes for personal reasons, mainly because I like with things going to a draw, it, it adds a lot more value to the hunts and more research, researchable value to those hunts, I believe. And now, yeah, because it's not such a general usable tag, you know, where now you got unit groups or or units that you're tied to.
00:51:24
Speaker
Um, you know, think it's just, I think the ability to parse out opportunity type hunts is going to get better. Um, Now, like we don't know tag numbers until May for any of these hunts. so we're not gonna know until after the draw deadline, but like in historically looking at other archery OTC units that switched to draws in the past couple of years, all of these have had like very generous tag numbers, very good odds. Like pretty much most of them have been available as second choice options and i would expect going into this year, you're probably going to see second choice options available for most of these OTC units.
00:51:55
Speaker
And I think that that's probably going to become a draw strategy for a lot of people going forward is going to be using these existing OTC hunts is now second choice draw options. I think you're definitely going to see that. Um, I might force more guys into the point pool though. Now that I'm thinking about which is suck.
00:52:11
Speaker
That's where I was just going with this. I'm very curious now to see like our mid point hunt. So if you consider hunts in that, like say five to 10 point range. You know, what's going to happen with those hunts? Because now you have a whole new population of people that likely were not buying points before. You say if you had a guy that was just that a religious OTC archery guy, that's all he did in Colorado.
00:52:32
Speaker
Now he has points, you know, so now they have to apply for a hunt, but now they have points in this ecosystem. So they're thinking like, you know what else can I do with these points? you know So I'm curious to see what's going to happen to your mid-tier type hunts.
00:52:44
Speaker
But also with some of these changes coming up in 2028 with them going to that 50-50 draw, um you know I think you're going to start seeing a lot of people dumping points at the higher point levels too, you know trying to use up their points before they're essentially worthless.
00:52:57
Speaker
What's with the 50 draw? ah So in 2028, Colorado going to go to 50-50 drop. So instead of being a true 100% preference like they ought are right now, they're going to operate like Utah Limited Entry where 50% of the Tigers are going go random, 50% are going to go preference.
00:53:15
Speaker
Which if you're guy chasing a high point type hunt, like that point creep just got exponentially worse once that change goes into play. You just basically doubled it, right? I mean, in theory, the amount is for that, but that makes sense.
00:53:30
Speaker
So, and you know my take this. I think I talked about this before. Like, honestly, i would gladly give up all my points in every state, even though I've got, don't even know how many tens of thousands of dollars invested in in points now to go to every state be like New Mexico.
00:53:47
Speaker
Yeah. across the board. We'll just go freaking hunting, make it open. It's just, the problem is there's gotta to be a solution because points are not the solution. It's, it's gotten out control. It's, it sucks. And I just, yeah I don't know.
00:54:00
Speaker
I don't know. At the same time that you say that, but then you get, but New Mexico, you get rid of the guide draw. You make it like 20% of the tags go to better non-residence something. I don't know. Yeah. It, it, it's tough because you know, there's a lot points systems are so mature now that like,
00:54:16
Speaker
any change you make is going to have some type of a poor reflection on on some demographic, you know, involved in that draw somewhere. You know, so it's hard like that, like that Colorado change, like as a person that generally holds very low point values and in in numbers in Colorado, because I like to draw tags often there.
00:54:34
Speaker
Like for me, it's kind of a nice thing. Like that's why i like the Arizona draw because the 80% of their tags go random as a low point applicant, there's good opportunity. You know, but, a guy that's been building elk points for 20 years in Colorado, like just, you know, he's going to take it in the teeth now, you know, so like it's a toss up, you know, it's hard.
Hunting Strategies and Timing
00:54:54
Speaker
It's hard for sure.
00:54:57
Speaker
I should, like that unit that I hunted in Colorado last year, the second, we the cool thing was we can statewide tag and I was able to make a move, right? So I made a switch, halfway through my hunt and moved up to actually three days and I made a switch to another unit.
00:55:10
Speaker
And I found this like awesome, like there was just poles everywhere. It just, they weren't running yet. So it was like, yeah he was basically like it was basically like, Mule deer hunting, you know, spotting mule deer hunting because weren't running. right ah I want to go back. If I go back, when I go back this year to go hunt elk, I'm going to hunt elk on my bow this year.
00:55:27
Speaker
I'll go back like around, I'll probably go back on the 10th, like the 10th or 21st or something later on. um instead of went there opening day and it was like oh wow this is not happening yeah that's a cool unit i should bug you about we should go do that together or something be fun to go go totally i yeah i don't do a film do a film time or something to be fun like i can film for you that'd be a good time that'd be a good time yeah i get it i like that time frame you were just talking about i mean kind of like my my preferred time frame is like like the 12th or like 23rd somewhere in there um just because like
00:55:59
Speaker
The bulls are starting to feel their oats. so You can get some really good calling activity that time of the year, but also like the rut isn't in full swing. And I found that bulls are generally a little bit easier to pull off cows. So I like kind of that, that pre-rut ish, like around the 15th to the 18th is kind of like my favorite time. That's what I've always enjoyed.
00:56:17
Speaker
I'm confident that if o would have went that time I have killed a bull this year. Yeah. Like, I was on elk. I just, like, it was just, they were still holing what mean? They weren't chasing cows around.
00:56:28
Speaker
They were still, they were coming in, like, there was, like, raghorns running with groups of cows, but, like, the the The bulls were kind of like in deep canyon still. Yeah. out You get that first, it's almost like rifle hunting in November, right? You're getting that first like hour of the morning and that last like, I look at night is impossible. That's just sitting water. Like that last 20 minutes, 30 minutes of night. you get the Yeah. comes out They hold tight, dude. I look at night. and I mean, during the it's little different, but like, it's just, especially like it's just that you don't get much time.
00:56:54
Speaker
And I look at night hunting now, evening hunting as a, uh, almost a, like, Hey, where are they at for tomorrow type thing? You know, even for deer too. I mean, it's like, unless you're right, if you're rifling, you, a lot of times you can cover a mile in like, you know, 10 minutes, 15 minutes and get over there pretty close to get it done. But like,
00:57:11
Speaker
it's just hard. Um, and good luck catching a freaking moving bull. oh my God. Those things, they move so slow, but so fast at the same time. Like, like catching a walking elk. It's like, they're just like a tractor.
00:57:22
Speaker
Like no way. Like you can't get ahead of them, dude. Like they go up stuff that takes you an hour. Like they're up it in like 10 minutes, like, there's not going fast. And it's like freaking like Peter built trucks, bro.
Tag Challenges and AI Predictions
00:57:32
Speaker
So anyways, back to back off of our most random podcast ever. It's supposed be all about this.
00:57:38
Speaker
What is it called? predicting predictive predictive draw odds um all right dude i have gotten to the point now and this is not gohunt's fault even though most people would blame gohunt because you're the reason that western hunting is ruined because people are stupid by making everybody's you basically draw everybody's tax for them right and do all the work for them yeah but um anyways i have the last couple years have had 100 draw odds in In Colorado, actually. a Two different hunts. They were September hunts I was going to hunt.
00:58:11
Speaker
One was mule deer, one was an elk hunt. And I based my whole season around it and then didn't draw. where now I don't do that anymore. I'm like, I'm at a point now where I'm just like drawing tags and I'll i'll turn them back.
00:58:22
Speaker
So I'm like casting this huge net. cause like I want to hunt in September. So like, yeah, I'm going find a way to do it. Like if I don't draw somewhere, I'll go hunt freaking over the counter bulls in Oregon.
00:58:33
Speaker
Like there's stuff you can find still outside. You know, Oregon's got all kinds of over the counter stuff. I don't know why people aren't hammering Oregon, but kids moving there next month or the end of this month or summer. And so I'm like, I mean, hunt there a lot. so anyways, um,
00:58:45
Speaker
So I'm going to point now, dude, what I'm to draw. If it says, if it says like it was 3% last year, a hundred percent this year, I'm going to, I'm going say I'm not going draw it and I'm going to wait. I would rather do a hunt where hundred percent last year, hundred percent this year.
00:58:59
Speaker
Then I would do it because last year, like that hunt that I put out a hundred percent drawdowns on Dave, go hunt, set it. I'm big fan of go hunt, but it said it. And think you know, you know who it was? I think he's, uh,
00:59:13
Speaker
Dude from Seagout side, Ryan Subbina, drew the tag. And he said there was 37 non-residents to the max with eight, whatever, I had eight points, I think, that tried to this tag.
00:59:24
Speaker
And only four got the tag. So it crept. It crept. So now that tag is probably a 10 point unit it's going to keep going. Right. And I've had the same issue as some archery hunts in Arizona I've been trying to draw. And like, I was always was like, Oh, I'll burn those points at like eight points. Cause I'll get into all this tag.
00:59:39
Speaker
And now it's like, I'm at like 12 and I can't draw the tag. It just creeps on me every year. so You guys aren't calling it point creep, which I wish you would, but I know you're not doing it because you don't want to like get yourself in trouble.
00:59:51
Speaker
you just like Basically, you guys have cracked the code. You have used AI. You have figured it out. What's going on, dude? Tell me the secrets. so It was a lot of work. A lot of it that didn't involve me, honestly. ah We have Nate there. He's our big draw-ons guy.
01:00:10
Speaker
He and our data analysis, Leigh Trivedi, they worked together on this. So essentially what we did with our predictive odds, mean, there's a lot of subjectivity when it comes to predictive odds, right? We don't know, you know, in a state like Colorado, you don't know how many people have been purchasing points that want to jump in and apply this year. You don't know, you know, in ah in a state like Colorado, game you don't know tag numbers. no So there's there's some degree of like unknownness with predictive But essentially what we did was we started with you know previous year's data, known data we knew the job results for.
01:00:39
Speaker
We developed this this algorithm to calculate our predictive odds model. We started running that and we were testing it. And essentially what we're doing is is taking real-world numbers, taking our predictive numbers, and then seeing how accurate we got.
01:00:51
Speaker
you know What are the trends? Where is it missing things? you know What is it over allocating? Things like that. You know we're able to identify you know trends by going through many, many, many revisions of that and eventually got to the point where we were hitting or exceeding our confidence level. We wanted
Point Creep and Hunting Strategies
01:01:06
Speaker
to hit 90 percent confidence on these.
01:01:08
Speaker
In most cases, we've been like north of 95 percent. you know So it it has been pretty damn accurate. You know, obviously, you know, there's still unknowns. You got to take things up a grain of salt, you know, changes like in that case, specifically in Colorado, you had their non-resident tag allocation changed, you you know, last year. So that kind of put a cut into things, especially if you're on a marginal point level.
01:01:29
Speaker
You know, but just like since largely since 2020, like just application numbers have exploded across the West. I mean, it's been crazy. And you are, you're seeing a lot of people getting sick of waiting on on tags. I mean, you'll see, you know, an eight point hunt every year. And there's a guy with, you know, 15 points plus that threw in on it just to burn the points get out.
01:01:52
Speaker
I'm almost to that point where I'm going to burn my Arizona. I want to burn. I have 12 points and I'm talking about burning them on a coos hunt. Totally.
01:02:05
Speaker
Burning them. I to Arizona every year wanted to. with my if i wanted to every I would almost... Arizona every year Q's deer, then wait to draw a Kaibab cow that keeps creeping on me, dude. Like, I'm never going to draw Kaibab anymore. I was going to the Kaibab.
01:02:18
Speaker
It's not going to happen, dude. Like, I just creeps and creeps and creeps. You know? Yeah, and that's what's hard. yeah I mean, like, really, I think point creep is easier to find when you're looking at a max point hunt that is going to jump a point every year, guaranteed. Like, you're going to have that.
01:02:34
Speaker
It's hard to call... you know a mid-tier type hunt having point creep just because you know the flush rate sometimes they go up sometimes they come down you know they kind of bounce back and forth i mean in general right now things are are jumping a point or two you know so yeah largely to your point when i'm researching hunts you know i'm not like hey i finally got enough points for this tag this year i'm like i kind of want like a year of buffer on this to know that i'm going to get it just because a lot of times like when i'm applying during the fall like i'm applying for things that are mostly a sure draw so i kind of plan out you know i'm doing three to four states a year or whatever you just have to kind of have this intricately planned out um but yeah that you know just just odds in general yeah it's it's been tough the past few years everything's going up yeah man it's hard and it's like i'll use like utah as an example right like um
01:03:28
Speaker
Dude, I don't want to say and units. So whatever there's units I like hunt in Utah. And like, they used to be three-point units. And this was when I first started drawing. Well, now, we're talking about general deer.
01:03:40
Speaker
Now, they are gone all way to a seven-point unit, right? Yep. And I have eight points. So basically, right now, I'm considered, in my mind, I'm a max point holder for general units in Utah. I can draw any general unit I want this year for deer.
01:03:51
Speaker
Mm-hmm. yeah sucks the crappy thing is is that all those hunts happen when i'm in kenya so now i'm gonna be a max points holder plus one yeah think i max points last year so like i basically gonna have too much so it's but i but i what i but i'd be willing to do is like if somebody out there wants to go hunt utah with me and they've got
Improvements for GoHunt Tools
01:04:09
Speaker
four i'll i'll average it i don't care about points like that like i don't like i'll i'll average you in just know that if i had eight points you had four i'm probably gonna be shooting first we're hunting together yeah i guess first shot like You got to be clear on that stuff, right? I'm not going bring you to, especially if there's one area want to go that I know there's some giant deer. We killed one in the last year. I average you in, I'm probably going to be very clear before. Hey, man, I'm averaging you in.
01:04:34
Speaker
I'm going to shoot first. If we're separate and you run into if we're you know half a mile apart and you see a deer, shoot it. You know what I mean? Whatever. That's the whole ethics thing on points. That's my opinion on points. If somebody averages you into a hunt,
01:04:47
Speaker
you're, if if I went with Dave and Dave's like, I've got 12 in Montana, you've got four, this unit takes seven. I'm like, cool. This is your hunt, Dave, until we get you an animal that I'm going to try and kill something. Right. And that's where separate. Right.
01:04:59
Speaker
Um, like I'm not going like, found them. I'm going like, it's just, I want to, especially on elk hunt where you can freaking basically ruin the hunt for three days. Um, Oh yeah. Like, you know mean? Like, it's just, it's just, it's just, I think it's in my opinion, I know there's, there's like certain things where it's like,
01:05:14
Speaker
it's like a moral thing for me or or an ethics thing for me, not a rule thing. Right. Like it's just, to have good hunting partners do stuff like that for the guy. You know what i mean And I'd be just as stoked if you go something as if I did. Right. But, um, where's it going with that?
01:05:27
Speaker
So let's say predictive draws. I'm just, let's better understand it. I go to go hunt.com. I go to my, um, tools, open up, uh, where's it under, is it under, where's it under?
01:05:41
Speaker
it's under It's under odds, so it's still prevented it's presented with the original odds. They're just on a different colored column, essentially. So you can see them in you. Oh, it's under odds. Okay. Yep. Yep, it's under odds. um It's not under the 2.0?
01:05:54
Speaker
hunt but know What is it called? On filtering, yeah. Yeah, just in odds. Filtering 2.0. There's an odds. So... so
01:06:03
Speaker
I wish there was a way for when I'm on your filtering to easier get to the, when I'm on your odds, easier to get to the filtering 2.0 page. The easiest way. It's not easy.
01:06:15
Speaker
yeah It should be like a click, like a click. The two things. Yeah, it's two clicks. um So if you're on draw odds, if you click on the unit that you're looking at, it'll take you to the draw odds detail page, which gives you like the five years historical.
01:06:27
Speaker
Down at the bottom, if you click on the unit profile or the unit down at the bottom, it'll jump to the unit profile. think there should be a tab right next to it where you just click on that unit right there. ah jump to I'm to suggest that when we get off this call. You should.
01:06:40
Speaker
I think like I'm telling you right now, like I do it all the time and it's like, it's annoying to go click through it. Then you're going too many pages back. And I almost want it to be like, I could jump to it open to another tab. but Yeah. I got you.
01:06:54
Speaker
So I can look at it and you go back and forwards. You what i mean? And like, so I can look at them. I spend a lot of time, dude. Like I joke around people all the time that I should be like, like a gear tester. Like I don't want anybody, but like I spend so much time like running these three weight pants this year or running like your new jacket this year. Right. Like I ran your, your Merino's like, um,
01:07:14
Speaker
I just, you know, I use your stuff so much. Like there's certain things where I just notice, I think, i don't know why I'm saying this out loud, but like, that's something I think would be beneficial for everybody to be able to look back and forth between those two things. Like, cause I honestly, like, I really like looking at the draw odds because it's easier to look and quantify, right? It's all right there.
01:07:33
Speaker
Right. And then, dude, you know, it also be dope is if you could somehow like sort those draw odds, right. up like you like click a thing where like it's like uh the easiest draw first you know what i mean it's not like an order so it's like so it'd be like all the hunts that are 100 draw odds on the top and then down like sort of that way dude that would be something that would be rad too interesting yeah you can you can do that in filtering you can sort my draws and filtering you can't do that but yeah not
01:08:07
Speaker
Yeah, and the main draw odds. On draw odds, dude. So I can like, because my point is like, I want to like, with filtering, there's a lot going on. And I also use filtering more than draw odds because the draw odds thing, have to like click on it and go write it down and go look at it or go through it, you know, and go through two tabs, go over there, open it Then I lose my draw odds.
01:08:24
Speaker
So I normally always have two tabs open anyways. um And what I'm doing is like, i'll i'll look on my I'll look on the draw odds thing and then I'll go to the filtering. Then I'll go and filtering on a different tab and look at it, right?
01:08:35
Speaker
But like, if I could be like, and I'm going through and have to look at each one, well, unit one might be a 9% draw, but unit seven might be 30%, and then unit 15 might be a 90%. If could just sort those in order of draw odd percentage, right there, and could look at it, that would be really nice, dude.
01:08:53
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. I like that. um So there's my two drew hunt.com. Thanks for you guys today. yeah i like you. I like that stuff. If you guys ever want me to do like some like
GoHunt's Impact on Hunting
01:09:06
Speaker
beta testing for you guys, I'm all about it. I love stuff go ah but and no charge.
01:09:11
Speaker
ah And then, yeah, dude, that's awesome. I think your predictive draw is going to be something that's going to benefit everybody that's in my space that is putting in, in, you know, eight States, nine States, 10 States Yeah.
01:09:24
Speaker
um yeah and it's going to help everybody. Totally. Yeah. You know, it's just, it's just another tool and the tool belt, you know, it's not a definitive thing. It's, it's, it's, like said, in our testing, it's been pretty accurate. It's exceeded what we wanted it to do. You know, but yeah, it's just, it's another tool in your arsenal to use.
01:09:41
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like I need to get like a promo code for, for GoHunt. I don't want to get paid for it. Like, Hey, go use code Tricer and get a GoHunt account. Cause I would put it your way all the time.
01:09:51
Speaker
I was shocked. Yeah. that i you guys don't get, um like, in January was, like, your biggest month whatever. And it was, like, a thing where if you invited four friends, you got, like, thousand something like something crazy. Oh, yeah.
01:10:05
Speaker
Yep. And, like, I was talking to Lorenzo Porter. I'm, like, I don't know four people who don't have Gohan. Oh, right. I don't understand, like, who doesn't have Gohan. Like, if you don't have Gohan, like, you're not a serious Western Big Game Hunter.
01:10:20
Speaker
like I was shocked. So, dude i need i should get I should get a code from Porter just to send people your guys' way. I don't want to get i don't want any like anything from it. I'll text Porter when off this call. I'll be like, hey, dude, give me code to pass out to get a 10% off deal and then you me nothing or something. I would definitely push people your way. I talk about you guys all time so highly.
01:10:41
Speaker
Dude, like, we're going to end this podcast right now, but for one dude, go hunt has changed the game in the, like, it used to be a magazine. used to be like looking through regulations. It used to be a rich man sport. We had to go pay freaking Cabela's to do it for you or pay whatever hunting fool or Epic or whatever to do it for you. Like not knocking those guys are eight great guys.
01:11:02
Speaker
They're not go hunt. Go hunt made Western game hunting accessible to everybody. And the guys who probably bitching about now are the guys who were paying for it before and had, you know, the ski had on everybody. Now for 150 bucks, you can hunt any state in the West and a lot states out East now by like looking at here and figuring it out through the predictive draw odds, through freaking, uh, the,
01:11:24
Speaker
draw odds through the Hunt 2.0, right? Like, it's the filtering 2.0. Like, it's just, you can figure it out, and you can go hunting every year with GoHunt. Go get one. Not only that, they've freaking changed game on mapping as well. Like, they're doing the mapping that has forced every other brand to step up their game. Like, dude what you guys did with the range-finding tool that forced every mapping software to do it is, it saved my butt so many times this year finding animals.
01:11:49
Speaker
Yeah, I love that. times I've shot animal, and I've had to, like, walk back and like, I swear i was right here. Like walk all the way back across Canyon. All right. Let's look again. Or you stand here Oh, you're, you're freaking a hundred yards off.
01:12:00
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Like it's not perfect, but it's getting there. Right. Like it's like, it's almost there. And like, no, no. But it all, you know, also it did. It forced people like, know, Leopold and, uh, who else is doing sig to where they can range find and it goes to your mapping like it's coming like it's like and gohunt did that like you guys are disruptors and top of that you guys are making some phenomenal gear this is not a gohunt commercial it's just like i'm telling you right now i've been running gohunt stuff all year long like i don't get paid by anyone run anyone's stuff i'm switzerland i run every brand out there like their new um altitude jacket oh the atmosphere
01:12:37
Speaker
atmosphere jacket. I've, I've been running that. I had him send me another one Cause like I've been wearing it almost daily. Like it's like, it's better than a hoodie. It's like a perfect piece of gear.
01:12:48
Speaker
It's in my bag all the time. Literally, I get away with like, I'll run like a GoHunt 150 Merino, I'll run like a 250 Merino, and then I'll run that thing. I can probably any hunt out west with that and then a rain jacket. Like, as long as it's like over 30 degrees, I'm down with that thing.
01:13:03
Speaker
Yeah, jacket does. It's so warm and so light, dude. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it's so... it's surprisingly warm, you know, for the weight of it, but it also, yeah like, it does really good in you know, warmer temps if you throw it on 50 degree temps or whatever, like, it doesn't it doesn't kill you to put it on.
01:13:19
Speaker
You know, it still breeds good. Yeah, I've been i been really digging that. That's been kind of a cool thing. I mean, I'm i'm not involved in that on my side of things and go on, but just our private label exploration and, you know, and all the all the new, you know, the clothing systems that we're getting into, like our merino layers, that was probably one of my favorite things last year. Dude, those zip-off pants are right. Yeah.
01:13:38
Speaker
Yeah. There's the offensive rad and like the Merino 150 quarter zip. It has a cleavage zip that goes down to like my belly button, bro. I'm out there like a sexy girl at Hooters, bro, running around the hills when it's hot, dude.
01:13:48
Speaker
Like it's been, it's been hot, dude. Like I told you my wrists, like my, my hands were tan and then like this V on my neck, the had the cleavage V was tan from the Gohunt, the Gohunt 150, but I ran that, but I ran that thing, no joke in 90 weather and I ran in 20 degree weather this year.
01:14:04
Speaker
Right. Like it's part of my kit now. I think you guys are doing good. You guys are just listening to hunters and making changes. And that's all you've been doing since the beginning. I'm such a big fan of go hunt.
01:14:16
Speaker
Um, Do you know how membership go get one? Don't use code Tracer yet, but you should use code Tracer at some point because it's, you could save some money, but go get a, go, go, go get GoHunt membership. I pay
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01:14:28
Speaker
full price. I don't use any codes.
01:14:30
Speaker
I will always pay full price. I love GoHunt. Dave, you guys are rad. What about you personally too? We have what Dave Barnett art as well, right? What else do you yeah how we want to follow you?
01:14:40
Speaker
do you want to do that? That's the best Yeah. Dave Barnett. underscore art on Instagram. If you guys have seen the new seek and destroy t-shirt, that was Dave. If you've seen the, um what What else have you you see done? The Dino Packout.
01:14:55
Speaker
The Dino Packout shirt. dave That was Dave. like Dave's had a bunch of cool stuff for us. I think I inspired the shirt on that was thing he's wearing right there. He made a Dinosaur Go Hunt shirt. I'm not going to take credit for it because Dave did it, but um i wish i had I told Dave, I'm like, I wish we would have thought of that for tri so first because that have been like a little more fitting, but that's a freaking rad shirt, dude.
01:15:14
Speaker
I've always been obsessed with Dino. When you hit me up on the original Packout, I was like, yeah, was heads over heels that one. Yeah, dude. I, I'm a big fan of Dave too. So go follow Dave Barnett art on Instagram and, uh, dude, let's, uh, let's do it again and let's talk about, maybe you go and do some hunting together.
01:15:32
Speaker
Let's do it. Thanks bro. Thank you for listening to the Tricer podcast. Do us a favor and like and subscribe on whatever platform you're listening on. Give us a follow on Instagram and Facebook at Tricer USA and go and check out all of our innovative gear at www.tricerusa.com.
01:15:51
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Until next time, shoot straight, have fun, and always put God first.