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Calling Bears with the Grizzly Brothers
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This week on the Tricer Podcast, Drew talks with Clayton and Ben of Grizzly Brothers, lifelong California hunters with a serious passion for chasing bear and deer in the rugged West. After years of experience in the backcountry, the Grizzly Brothers have developed a proven bear calling technique, leading to the creation of their brand new call "The Quota." Whether you're a seasoned predator hunter or curious about calling in your first bear, this episode is packed with insight, strategy, and real-world experience.
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Introduction to Tricer Podcast
00:00:01
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You are listening to the Tricer podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer, and I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners.
00:00:17
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We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen.
Meet Clayton and Ben from Grizzly Brothers
00:00:22
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All right. got the grizzly brothers on i don't even know if you guys are actually brothers or not but is called grizzly brothers right ah clayton and ben here from from grizzly bros they got a pretty phenomenal youtube follow check on like 60 000 followers making it a bunch of content out of my home state of california hunting a lot of black tails lot of black bear and some out-of-state stuff so uh clayton and ben are you guys brothers we are not brothers. Oh, and fake much and like only in, uh, only in, uh, woodsmanship and spirit. in spirit Okay. Gotcha.
00:00:58
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What, uh, I mean, what is grizzly
Journey of Grizzly Brothers YouTube Channel
00:01:01
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brothers? i mean, how'd come about? Uh, well, it's just basically Clayton and I hunting together. We've hunted together for, you know, like a decade or more. i don't know.
00:01:10
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We kind of grew up together. and, so then when we started hunting together, i think at first came about like there was this hunt that we, we did and we started kind of dabbling in back country stuff.
00:01:24
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And, um, and so I just started making videos on my cell phone, you know, just like, Oh, this would be cool to show our friends or whatever. And then afterward, after the hunt was over, it was a great hunt. Both of us bagged awesome bucks. It was a rifle hunt.
00:01:39
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Um, we got home and like, I put together like a little iPhone, you know, video deal on, I like the iPhone generic movie clip app or whatever it was. Yeah.
00:01:51
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And, I sent it to Clayton and we were like, Oh, this is awesome dude. and And then, you know, that kind of just morphed into us posting and stuff on YouTube. And then, you know, seven, eight years later, whatever it is now, and here we are.
00:02:03
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um but it was, it was kind of unintentional. Honestly, we didn't go into it with like a business plan or anything. We just like couple of guys posting videos on YouTube hunting in California. So, And it was kind of kind of a gap in the market. There's not ah a lot of California hunting content out there.
Hunting Community and Challenges in San Diego
00:02:18
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you know no dude, I am like. I have a mega church and I am the hunter at my church. Right. I mean, like I'm the hunter right in San Diego. Right. It's like, it's such a small community. It is a tight community. Like cansey like in San Diego, there is I mean, there are but thousands of hunters, but like, it's a very tight knit community. you know, people know each other, you know, people stick up this real small gun shops, real small bow shops.
00:02:41
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It is like a real core community of guys who hunt in California and do it, but we're all kind of in the same boat. We're all kind of dealing with like very mismanaged game, terrible terrible tags i mean terrible hunting um there are some really cool opportunities in california get me wrong there are some awesome bear opportunities we'll talk about and there are some awesome like you can go bow hunt in july in california right i mean there's there's some tags out there that are available that people don't know about as well as our wild hog and stuff but um over pay-to-play thing but yeah there's not a lot of guys doing california stuff i'm sure you guys follow bow disciples you guys follow james zisser at all
00:03:13
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Yeah, I do. In San Diego. So he's a good friend of mine. So he's another California guy that's just blowing up. i mean, he's got a hundred something thousand followers. Yeah, he's killing it right now. got a big shoot. Yeah, he's like Cameron Haynes' podcast. The guy's just elk shake. He's all over the place. He's he's a hoot.
00:03:27
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But mean there's not a bunch of guys doing what we're doing, right? Right. coming out of California and everyone coming from California is left. Right. I mean, look at all these companies, they've like buck knives. I grew up buck knives. They're in Idaho now, right. Or Weatherby, they left and they went to Wyoming, you know, it's just, everyone's kind of just leaving the state and going, you know, I mean, Burger Bullets came to California. Business friendly.
00:03:46
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Not very business family and definitely not firearm and hunting related friendly at all. Right. Yeah. But like you said, there's, there's this solid fraternity of hunters.
00:03:58
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and it is a tight knit community. And that's kind of where we kind of carved out our niche. I mean, this whole thing started with YouTube was just like other hunters, that connectivity of California hunters, because there's a lot of hunters in California.
00:04:11
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It's big state, tons of public land, lot of hunting opportunities, and just kind of flies under the radar because success rates are low. It's not a... It's not you know the sexiness of Wyoming or Utah or whatever, ah but there is a lot of
California's Unique Hunting Landscape and Challenges
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opportunity. So because of that, there are a lot of hunters here that only hunt California.
00:04:31
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And so we come onto the scene posting these hunts and we've we find success generally year over year. And I think people just kind of connected with that. Yeah. Yeah. And and the the grizzly part of of Grizzly Brothers speaks to California.
00:04:44
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You know, we got the grizzly on the flag. so Oh, it does make sense. Yeah. I'm really dreading when the grizzly bear finally does make it to California because we're just never going to hunt them. It's even an option. No. It's like the wolves are already down. I hear the wolves are already down in like some of the lower X zones already in the Sierras. Oh, yeah.
00:05:01
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I mean, like we're going to have wolves in, in, uh, Yosemite, like sooner than later, they're not already there. yeah Um, and it's just, we're never going to stop it. So yeah, the grizzly bear thing's kind of a hoot. because it's like, I wish they would dropped it off, like in the redwoods outside of San Francisco for a little bit and then see how much I like it. You know what i mean? Yeah.
00:05:18
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It's like, there's like this disconnect in our state with game management, right? Where we got like California and San Francisco and then everything else that is potentially, I mean, I would, I would say that the Sierras, I really love like the Eastern Sierras.
00:05:30
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I wish I had to spend over there. Like some of the X like nines and the, you know, sevens and eights and stuff. Um,
00:05:39
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They're beautiful. I think it rivals anything in the country. Yeah. for For beauty and for pleasure to hunt. Now, are the bucks as big? No chance. Like, we just don't, we just don't grow giant mule deer here in California.
00:05:51
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We don't, you know, we don't have big mule deer. Even our, what we would call a mule deer, wouldn't call them mule deer compared to like, you know, going to Colorado. I mean, we, I mean, like San Diego is your kind more Pacific hybrid, like a hybrid blacktail mule deer.
00:06:03
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Even our true mule deer just aren't that big. And what you guys are chasing mostly uh, You guys are up for chasing a lot of those as blacktails, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, kind of the delineation is I-5. So you have I-5 that splits the state, and the general consensus is the east side of I-5 is mule deer.
00:06:21
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The west side is is a Colombian blacktail. But I mean... there's no rule that says a deer can't cross the road. Right. So that's just the, the, the delineating line that they decided on like this size, this, this size, this.
00:06:36
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Um, but yeah, there's a lot. We hunt a lot of predominantly we're hunting Colombian black tails. Cause we're like in the Northwest of the state, but, uh, we, we hunt the Sierras too. And you know, we'll, we'll hunt over there. and I mean, I've seen giants and, you know, everyone's seen a giant here and there.
00:06:53
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um But for the most part, you're right. I mean, even our, our big ones, you know, you're going to be really hard pressed to find over 200 inch deer in California anywhere.
00:07:04
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yeah Oh yeah I don't know. time I saw one shot around here, maybe they'd get one shot over here. I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, you could go find it. I can go find a deer in any unit in Colorado or Arizona, bigger than most deer we can find in California right now.
Critique and Suggestions for California's Hunting Regulations
00:07:16
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That's a fact. it And a lot easier. But um yeah, I really like that area you guys are hunting up there too. Because kind of like above San Francisco, there is... yeah I don't know, we know a thousand miles or something until you get to Oregon. I mean, I've just, I've just nothing, right? Like I've really wanted to go. The problem for me is like Northern California is way further than me going to Nevada or New Mexico or Arizona. It's far. I mean, it's California's a long state.
00:07:41
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I really want to go up there and go like that, up to the Shasta area up there, you know, and really kind of get into, um, That's up for bears one time, you know, and go do that. just i say I'm good every year, then I'm going out of state. So that's kind of where you guys get your teeth up there, Hans, up in that, you know, that thicker stuff that kind of like Southern Oregon, Northern California type stuff.
00:07:58
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You know, I grew up ah hunting the C zones. So if you're familiar with the layout of the state, it's actually on the east side of I-5. And it was right now, it's ah it's a draw unit.
00:08:09
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So have to draw the tag. But growing up, it was over the counter. So my dad was a got me into hunting when i was a kid, and because he was a hunter. And we grew up going to C-4 primarily.
00:08:21
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So that was where i started hunting. that's I know that place like the back of my hand. And then we've just kind of branched out from there. I think, Ben, you can speak to this, but D3 through 5, also um in the Sierra, on the Sierra side, is close to home.
00:08:35
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So there's a lot of opportunities for us to get out there for a day hunt even. you know It's you know an hour hour, and a half, we we're in the woods. Yeah, and those are basically over-the-counter tags, right? So people don't understand. we have over California gives, like, I'm in D16. They gave out 3,000 tags for San Diego.
00:08:51
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so lots of um And you can buy two tags. So that's people don't can get two tags in California, but now keep in mind, 3,000 tags, success rate's like 3% on public land or something like that in San Diego. I mean, I think we have a 6% success rate in San Diego, and that includes, like, the 50,000-acre private ranch that everyone hunts as well. You know what i mean? so like Yeah.
00:09:09
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It's like, it's real slim pickings. I spent 10 days in San Diego this year hunting and I found, think 80 deer and two spikes or four spikes, something like that. No, no bucks.
00:09:21
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And it was wild. And I i saw bucks before season, but just during season, I could not get on a buck for life of me. It's tough hunting, but the opportunity is there. And we do have these super long seasons as well. Yeah.
00:09:31
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and Like you said, it's opportunity. It's an opportunity state. So you have, you can get the two deer tags. And one thing about California that's unique to Western states is they don't, they don't cater to residents other than tag prices.
00:09:44
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A lot of states, they'll they'll earmark tags for residents. When California, they don't do that. So anybody from out of state has the same opportunities to get the same two tags that we do. It's unique.
00:09:55
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um You don't see that in a lot of states. People aren't necessarily just rushing over here to get them, though. for so it is It is the most mismanaged state in the lower 48. I mean, in the country. It was called the country, whatever. This was mismanaged. I would argue that they need to go and cut seasons down and like like like the month-long seasons make them one-week seasons.
00:10:15
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Split those 3,000 tags up into three seasons, you know I mean, and three one-week seasons or 10-day seasons or something. do something different, something better to kind of force people to be out there rather than be out there over a whole month. Um, but I don't know. I mean, I have no saying think like a, um, you know, ah three point or better on some units, you know what i mean? to Oh gosh, that that would be phenomenal. Put it, put a point, put a thing in there. Cause right now we have a thing in California. Everybody listening to, we can shoot a spork.
00:10:40
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As long as it has a branch antler, two thirds up on one side, you can shoot it. So if it's a little, ah we call them sporky, right? A fork by spike called a spork. We can shoot a spork. it's legal and in San Diego, any legal buck is getting shot.
00:10:54
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yeah Like it doesn't like you don't survive. You don't, if you see a buck over 90 inches, like it's like getting talked about on the internet in San Diego. Right. We, we kind of call our bucks like the, uh, what the, um, sorry, I'm going to turn my phone off here.
00:11:07
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We kind of call our bucks like the coos deer of California down in San Diego. Right. It's just, it's just terrible hunting, but, uh, it could be managed a lot better. and we could, another issue we run into, especially down where we are is the fire controls is so terrible.
00:11:20
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in the state and everything's so overgrown that we can't get bucks to go are you guys doing all that up there with you guys as well or we're open up there yeah You know, we've got a pretty wide variety and it it depends on if you go west or east. I mean, there's so many different, even different like um regions are managed by different forest managers.
00:11:40
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So one one region will be managed completely different than another within the same area kind of. um But I mean, you know, the some of the spots we hunt, um have monster bucks. We see bucks as far as black tail monster. I mean, we we've shot a bunch of really good bucks out out of that North area. And um you know, I killed 150 enter a few years ago, three years ago.
00:12:05
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And they're, they're in there and we see bigger ones than that. They're in there. ah You got to put the work and they're not right by the pickup. um But yeah, You know, it's ah there's really good habitat up there too. The burns recently, and what was it?
00:12:18
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Four years ago, everything burned the whole state pretty much. That did a lot of good stuff for the habitat. Now the problem is it used to be the problem used to be finding the good habitat. Now there's so much good habitat up in the north of the state that you have to look for like old dark timber, unproductive, we previously thought of unproductive, you know, habitat.
00:12:39
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to find these deer because those are the safe havens they can hide in right you get some big mountainside and didn't get burned well they're going to be just thick in there because they're feeding in and out of that those edges you know because now yeah so you're hunting edge you're hunting edge stuff you're hunting yeah edges of burns yeah yeah okay edges of dark timber get them in they're similar to elk i mean oh you hunt elk the same way looking for benches do you guys do you guys focus on benches at all on like onyx A little bit, but not so much. I mean, really honestly, and we just had actually a podcast last week with a subscriber. He had a bunch of questions and we went over this.
00:13:12
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um More of what we're looking for is super steep, unforgivable, thick terrain. Like that's where all the blacktails hide.
Bear Hunting Techniques and Innovations
00:13:20
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So like if if you find a little tiny bench that's not even going to be on the map,
00:13:25
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ah not even on the grid line in that kind of terrain that's near some other something that they want to be at. They're in there. You know, it's just, I mean, the I shot one last year and drug them off and I hit the angle with the range finder when I was getting out 38 degrees.
00:13:39
Speaker
So, you know, that's just like, yeah yeah. How much do you want to suck it up buttercup if you want a deer or not, you know, but it's like you said that the state is so mismanaged that you've got to hunt those places because that's where the deer are at. They're pressured into those spots because you know, there's so many hunters out in the field or the the forest is in such bad shape. No lion hunting.
00:13:59
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No. Yeah. And the bear quota. I mean, so we've got this big thing. This is like one of our big deals. Um, We give away a bear hunt every year for a subscriber to come hunt with us. um And so it's right around the corner. Matter of fact, first of May, the sweepstakes opens.
00:14:16
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So we'll start you know pumping it out. um And it's all about, we we call it the quota, right? And we actually are developing a bear call right now. It's called the quota, a predator call that we're going to use for calling bears.
00:14:30
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um We're not developing it. We made it. It's in manufacturing right now. But yeah, But it's because the quota is so small comparatively. We have the we have more bears, black bears in the state than any other state in the union except for Alaska.
00:14:46
Speaker
We have more bears than every other state. And we never fill quota. Never. Never. It goes open every year since hound hunting stopped in whatever it was, 1997 or something. Last year, we just got over 800 bears. This quota is 1,700. And we had a little little over 800 bears. I mean, that's just pathetic.
00:15:04
Speaker
Yeah, I've heard some stuff because they are going to something change that. And I have heard some grumblings about a spring season, which would just be life changing for me. I would be so amped on a spring season. I would be so pumped up. I don't think it's going to happen.
00:15:17
Speaker
But I have heard they're they've even talked about doing some dog stuff, but the dogs won't be allowed to kill. They'll have to like chase and then just scare dogs. I know everyone in Tahoe is all up in arms. Yeah. Yeah, they're harassment dogs. They're going to run dogs, but they're not allowed to kill the bears. I don't know.
00:15:31
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because they're having What's happening is we're not killing all these bears off. in Places like Tahoe, they're having all kinds of bear encounters and bear problems. There's just thousands of bears in Tahoe, and we're not allowed to hunt them like you're supposed to, and they're overpopulating. So they they want their cake, and they want to eat it too, and they can't. So there are there are some changes coming to the bears, I think, this year.
00:15:50
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Well, you know, I think one of the one of the major issues with the bear, so the quota used to be filled every single year and when they would hunt hounds, right? Because hounds are so stinking effective. um But since the hounds went away, people are just bumbling around in the woods. And when they see a bear and have an opportunity, the odd opportunity, they shoot the thing.
00:16:08
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But so Clayton and I have kind of, you know, come into a little gold mine and calling them in. um And we call these stupid bears in like coyotes. They come running, man.
00:16:19
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Like we went out, we took our subscriber last year and he was a new hunter and ah new archer and everything was new for him. And we called him in eight bears in three days.
00:16:30
Speaker
don't know. It was a lot of bears. And finally he got a shot on one 16 yards. Cause you know, We would have probably shot a half a dozen of those, but we were trying to get him the right opportunity, the wind, right?
00:16:41
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Get it in really close, so all the things. um So it's it's deadly. Calling them is deadly effective, and that's why we made this call. We're actually partnered with Born and Raised Outdoors on it, and and we're going to be releasing it here.
00:16:54
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in May 1st. So, but the the calling, I think the calling could change the game for California. We could start feeling that quota every year. If more guys stick this call in their pocket and start calling these bears in, cause it's really, I've got to heard mixed reviews on calling. I know like Lampert is a big fan of, uh, of calling, like even calls lions and he's been calling bears. He really likes doing that. Obviously calling wolves, stuff like that, but you're, you're finding it effective. I've heard mixed things. Like it can be, and it can't be.
Impact of Bear Predation on Deer Populations
00:17:20
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Well, every time we've seen a bear, we've called it in every single So have to see the bear. based on you' oh You're going out and you're blind calling as well. Every time we've seen a bear, we've called it in. Most of what we do is blind calling.
00:17:34
Speaker
What we'll do is we'll go into a basin or to a ridge line and we'll blind call for half an hour. If nothing comes in, we're going to go to the next spot and maybe we'll walk a quarter mile. We'll drive over to the next ridge or hike the next whatever.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah. um that usually we're we're blind calling but to i'm just speaking to the effectiveness of a call every time we've seen a bear when we've called it it's come running because i mean you're it's within usually a couple hundred yards because it's a lot of thick country that we're you know two three hundred yards we're seeing these bears and uh never fails they come in yeah and i mean the call the effectiveness of calling them honestly like i've called a lot of coyotes in the past and calling these bears, at least in areas we know there are bears, right? You got to know they're like, it's an area there's bears, find some sign or whatever.
00:18:20
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But I mean, it is probably what Clayton, like 30 or 40% of our call sets we're calling bears in. I'm not kidding. It's, it's insanely effective. Really? Yeah. Now, is this like a jackrabbit distress call or?
00:18:33
Speaker
it's ah It's a fawn. Yeah. just on that thing We've talked to biologists in the state and I've actually read articles about other states where this is a similar problem, but fawns, the biggest the biggest ah predator to deer is bear in the state. It's not mountain lions. It's not coyotes. It's bears.
00:18:53
Speaker
I've heard that. They will wipe out. When they drop, when they drop, they just go crazy. Yeah. ah Yeah, I've seen videos of it and they can smell so good. They can smell a doe that's about to drop a fawn. So they'll just follow the doe.
00:19:07
Speaker
The doe will drop the fawn in that first few days after birth before the fawn can move quickly. They're just, they're open. It's open season. and I've heard of them taking the fawn out of the, like they're having birth and they're taking the baby. I mean,
00:19:20
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With bears. wouldn't doubt it. yeah And that's kind of why that's why deer and elk drop at the same time. Because it's like, ah you know, they just fill the bears up. It's like numbers game, right? and they're trying to get it done that way.
00:19:32
Speaker
Really? I didn't realize you're doing that good comb. I would think you're more spot and stock glassing. uh i know that when i do uh i'll use fawn and stretch for once in a while but i feel like i'm always calling in does i mean there's no bears in san diego we did see one this year in palmer i didn't see one but it's been on some cams we've had one down in san diego this year coming out of san meridino or something but um man every time i do that fawn and stretch i get deer do you guys get deer running like crazy on that thing i'm dude crazy it's hilarious yeah you ever call bucks in doing it Clayton has.
00:20:04
Speaker
You called that one. remember Yeah, I was actually, i was i was predator hunting after the season it ended. So it was like second week of November. So rifle season, it was in the D zones that had just closed the week before.
00:20:16
Speaker
I'm pumping the predator call and I hear crashing coming up below me. And i thought it was it was a bear. So I'm getting ready to shoot. And it was his buck just came charging in. He had two does with him.
00:20:27
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um I don't know what got him riled up, but yeah, he came in on a string. So. Yeah. I've done a bunch with it, with the predator hunting and I'll i'll look at my right and there's a, there's a deer to staring at me like five feet away from me like, what the heck? Cause a lot of them, they come in real quiet, you know, the deer.
00:20:41
Speaker
You do a turkey hunting too, right? You're a turkey hunting, you look to your right and there's a deer there or a coyote. You get coyotes all time too, right? look over and all of a sudden there's a freaking coyote right next to looking you like, what the heck? There's nothing like calling an animal. doesn't matter it's elk, turkeys, bears, whatever it is. There's nothing like speaking the animal's language and then responding to it, whatever it is.
00:21:03
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Yeah, it's super exhilarating. And then dealing with a bear that close I mean, 16 yards. He poked that bear at 16 yards. And it's it's it seems to be the most effective early on in the season. So bear season opens concurrently with most of the archery zones, so August, um and then runs concurrently. So you have your archery bear season that runs to the end of archery, and then rifle season opens with rifle deer season, which is why I think the quota is not met, is most people are just out there deer hunting.
00:21:36
Speaker
And so if they, they need to open it up rifles to the whole thing to not just, I guess they don't, I guess I want to keep the guns out of the field during archery. So I guess that kind of makes sense, but it's like, you could only archery hunt a bear with an archery tag. You can't go shoot her like during archery season, the rifles aren't open.
00:21:52
Speaker
You know what I mean? yeah I had a bear one year i was out. I still killed a bear. I'm to kill one next month. and I go to Montana. That's my goal. Cody rich. We're going to do some bears. But i' never I've never actually hunted them, targeted them, right?
00:22:03
Speaker
And the only time I've really had a tag in my pocket, like I had one like up in, like I think it was like X9B or something. i had a bear right in front me during archery season, but couldn't shoot it because it wasn't rifle season until the next day.
00:22:14
Speaker
you know And ah it's just if that season was open, he would have been a dead bear and one less bear on the population. you know i mean, it have been good, but... you know You're only giving to you that basically that three-week window to to go kill these bears whenever that season's open.
00:22:25
Speaker
And then it's still open through Christmas, but no one's really targeting them. There is this thing. and No one's really went out targeting bears in California. Right. That's kind of the big problem is no one's actually going out. like once and you know I think that's another reason why this bear call could really turn the tide, honestly, for California. It's kind of like you know marketing or whatever. But the the thing is – I wasn't super interested in bear calling until, or bear hunting at all. Like I was just take or leave a bear. Like if there's a bearer bear and a deer opportunity, I'm going up to deer every time.
00:22:55
Speaker
But after we started doing these calls but and this call that that we made, there wasn't a call that had the exact tone. I know this sounds cliche. Everyone says this one, but there wasn't a call that had the exact tone. I had to use an elk call, an elk read to start making the tone that I really wanted to dial in on. Well, we're kind of like the frequency range. We were finding them coming in real hot.
00:23:15
Speaker
Um, so then we'd like designed our own call or like, like pulling other calls apart and changing guts around and stuff, trying to get the sound. Uh, but eventually we made our own, but, um, So, the but the thing about the calling is it's super fun, dude. Like there's nothing cooler than calling these bear. Like when we call them in and they're like looking for you and they're like just charging up the hill, like breathing heavy, looking around, trying to find you. And you're there with your bow and you're just like ready to go.
00:23:42
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You know, it's, it is exciting. You know, yeah. yeah Yeah. Pretty much all the time. I mean, because that first, and the reason is it's a, it's a, you know, um, it's a function of necessity really because when we're in the field and the bears, I mean, they respond all year pretty well to, them to the fond call, but our archery season so early in the middle of august that there's still a lot of fawns running around so the bears are still tuned into the fawn game and that first week of archery season they're real hot on it um so we've been we've traditionally and and honestly we get them in inside of 30 yards pretty much every time so there's no reason to to hunt them with a rifle so are you guys going then and like getting all ghillie suited out
00:24:28
Speaker
No, no, no. They're like pigs, dude. they I mean, not quite as bad, but they'll come right in and they're, you know, little beady eyes and they're looking around. As long as you get the wind right, you just be still and you're good.
00:24:39
Speaker
You know, really? Yeah. And they guys got me all excited. I'm like, man, I should go, uh, go up to San Bernardino up there, go up there and go try and kill some bears or archery season. That A zone tag is statewide, man.
00:24:50
Speaker
I told your person in email, if you're, if you've got free time in August, when we do the subscriber hunt, come up. i I'll have to talk to my wife. I'm going to, I'm going to Alaska in August. i don't know how much she's going to that. I'm going to Alaska for, for sick of black tail.
00:25:03
Speaker
Well, I were you, I would choose the hunt with us, you know, maybe when I get back, maybe when I get back, I don't know what else I got on the docket, but, uh, no, that sounds fun. The whole, cold calling them in thing sounds cool. Do you guys have one of those calls with you right now?
00:25:15
Speaker
Uh, I can go grab one. Yeah. I want to hear you rip one off and see what you guys do. So I'll keep Clayton going though. Um, Ben's out. Uh, so guys decided to make your own calls. how'd that come about?
00:25:28
Speaker
Well, we got asked a lot from subscribers cause they would see us in videos and stuff calling animals in. So the question was, what color are you using? And, It was hard to point him in one direction because like Ben said, we were dissecting other calls to try to manipulate them and get the sound we wanted.
00:25:45
Speaker
So i I called Ben one day, this is actually later last year. And I said, hey, why don't we just build our own call? We'll take all of our kind of research and dissecting these other calls, fine tuning the sound, plug it into our own call.
00:26:00
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um And then I reached out shortly after that, I reached out Trent, born and raised. you know They've got the call company. Trent's been amazing. <unk>s He's been awesome, super helpful.
00:26:11
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And he kind of helped us, gave us some pointers. We started working with an engineer. I mean, we really fast tracked this thing. And then we were able to work with a reed manufacturer and get the exact tone we wanted.
00:26:24
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um There was some testing in there and stuff, but it was exact. So play the sound and then they have like computer stuff and kind of like, oh this is what you need for that? Manual, it's a manual process. yeah So we go through like, you know, we we have this particular sound we've identified by hacking up other calls and kind of got our like prototype built out from random stuff.
00:26:44
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um And then so that's kind of like the sounding board, like how close can we get to this? Okay, can we make it a little bit louder? can we make the tone a little clearer? So this is this is the call we've ended up with here. It's called the quota. It has this unique like square design.
00:26:57
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um And that's just to make it easier to fit in your pocket because you know how most of them are round. This will go in your vinyl harness without being a big old fat deal. But pretty cool little call.
00:27:08
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And it's it's a fun call. I mean, it's nothing like rocket surgery.
00:27:17
Speaker
And that's it, dude. I mean, but if you if you go go blow like 10 fond calls, you're going to hear one that's more raspy. You're going to hear one that's higher pitch, one that has like a really weird kind of tube sound.
00:27:30
Speaker
And this is the sound we wanted. So um we're stoked on it, though. it and It works really well. So now walk me through a set. So now you've you've obviously you're going to try and get a little bit of high ground, similar to out hunting, right? You're going to find find a place you can you're going to want some shooting lanes. You're using a bow.
00:27:46
Speaker
Now you said 30 minutes, you doing like four, four bleats and then waiting five minutes, four bleats, waiting five minutes. How you do Are you just blowing for 30 minutes straight? No, it's a lot like a coyote set. If you're blowing a call, you know, it you'll blow for a minute and then give it two or three minutes, you know, and then blow for a minute and give it two or three minutes.
00:28:05
Speaker
And it's a lot like elk hunting, you know, you not in that regard. It's more like, you know, coyote hunting that guy, but as far as like picking your lanes and getting in a good spot, checking the wind, you know, all the normal stuff. Um, but, yeah and then you want to you know, you want to think through it before you get there and finally, okay, is this a like a bear kind of, you know, is this South facing bedding bear?
Hunting Stories and Predator Dynamics
00:28:23
Speaker
A lot of times in the middle of the day, we'll go to areas that we think that bears might be bedded in, you know, those South faced, but timbered areas they like to bed in. Or then, you know, you go to those North face grassy areas early in the morning or late in the evening and call them out of those spots.
00:28:36
Speaker
Um, um but so you can use it the cool thing is you can use it all day long you know there's no like prime time as long as you kind of know where they're going to be hanging out and you just call and move call and move and then boom there they are and show up and they'll come from long distances so that's why half hour minimum because uh last year the first call set or the second call set we did of the hunt we were there for like just under half an hour We got up to move, looked back and there was a bear standing there like 150 yards.
00:29:07
Speaker
that bear had come from who knows where up the canyon and we blew it because we stepped out too soon. yeah So yeah, you got to give them time because they'll run and then they'll stop and sniff and listen, then they'll run and then they'll walk. And so they kind of have, they'll come at their own pace.
00:29:22
Speaker
Some, it's a dead run. Some, they're just lumbering. so So everyone's a little bit different. Another set we did, we called. It was actually the set where Nate, our subscriber, he killed his bear. So he shot his bear and we sat down to just kind of give it some time.
00:29:38
Speaker
And while we were sitting there, another bear came in. So this is like 10 minutes after the shot. We had stopped calling because had shot his bear and here comes another bear. So we got another shot on a second bear within 10 minutes.
00:29:51
Speaker
So yeah, just, you never know. But we ah we usually give it at least a half an hour to give them time to come in. Yeah. I tell people all the time. Cause you know, you take people predator hunting, right. it's one of those things where it's like, nothing's happening until it does.
00:30:04
Speaker
And I tell them all the time. I'll tell my kids, I'll be like, you know, we probably called in dogs today. You just didn't see them. They saw us or they circled us wrong. I mean, like, A lot times you're calling stuff in and you don't even know right? I mean, things are coming in and they're winning you. They're coming in.
00:30:19
Speaker
Sometimes you get that dead run where they're just like, kill me. You know what i mean? like Sometimes they're just coming, right? It's just like all sudden they're there. That's cool thing predator hunting too. It's all of a sudden they're just right there. They just show up out of nowhere sometimes.
00:30:29
Speaker
It's really cool. How often are you guys calling dogs in when you're doing this? Um, you know where we're hunting, there's not a ton of them. Most of the time where we're hunting for bears. So it's not, it's not very often, but every once while we'll call one in and shoot them or try to, you know, I think on that hunt, we called in one, one coyote on the last one with Nate. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:48
Speaker
Any, uh, any lines yet? No, I've never. I've done a lot. We've done a lot of bear calling and we've never called the lion. And so maybe the lions are just smarter, smart enough to know, like, we're not, like you said, we're not geelyed up or anything.
00:31:00
Speaker
So maybe we've called lions. And like you said, they've seen us and they're just like, yeah, I'm not going to that. I'm convinced that every time I go out to Diego, a lion sees me. Probably. ah There's so many. You know, what's funny is I never see lions and I saw four of them in the wild last year. like ro but we Three of them in Colorado, one in Arizona, but like, it's just, uh, I never see them. it was the first time seeing them and it was, yeah. So four of them last year. First time I've seen in a while. It's a special deal. but They're crazy critters. There's super cool critters, man. I wish we can hunt them here. I wish I could hunt them out of state and bring them back. That's what's frustrating for me is that you can't even bring them back. So even if I go home and legally, I can't bring it back. And in my position, like I'm just not going to go do it. It's just not worth it to me.
00:31:39
Speaker
But, uh, man, like I really would love to go chase those things and hunt one. And, um, Getting one spot in stock is definitely high on my list right now of things I'd like to do at some point in my life. So might move out of California to do that, but we'll see.
00:31:52
Speaker
Who knows? They're so elusive. They're so elusive. Dude, they're so elusive and they're so big and they're just like – they're just killers. They're apex killers, man. They're just they're just so awesome. They're super cool. You know, the interesting thing is we recently had a podcast. We had Howl on our podcast ah a couple months ago or something. I need to get those guys on. I don't know how i haven't had them on yet. need to do that. They're awesome, dude. They're great guys.
00:32:13
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um But we were talking about the the bear lion problem. And in California, a lot of people don't know this, that the bears are actually crushing the lions and the deer because the lions kill.
00:32:27
Speaker
They can kill whatever they want. You know, they kill a buck. They kill whatever they want. And then the bears just steal it from them, you know, because the bears can climb trees. They can go anywhere. A lion can go. They just sniff out the killer. They'll follow the lions around until they kill and then they'll steal their kill. So the lion will get one meal out of a kill and then bears have got it, you know, and they've got to go kill again. So now the proliferation of the lion bear, you know, problem is causing even more. Lions are killing twice as many deer, but not, they're not eating them.
00:32:57
Speaker
You know, the the bears are taking them. So essentially the bears are still causing the problem. you know, if the bears weren't there, the lions would be killing half as many deer. So it's a really interesting, you know, dynamic.
00:33:08
Speaker
Yeah. And there are a lot of them. I need to get a California bear. I need to just vote every year. send me to go do it. And then i don't do it. Cause it's like, I'll go get a tag somewhere else. Or like, Hey, I'll go in December. Cause you can hunt them up until December 31st. Right. Yeah.
00:33:19
Speaker
yeah And, uh, are you guys, I mean, are you guys ever hunting them like spot and stock glass and form at all or no? We do sometimes, but we usually, when we see them, we call them in. So it's, it's it's our go-to.
00:33:30
Speaker
I mean, how long have you guys been doing the call thing? few years or? like A while. Five, six years. Yeah. Five, six years. Really? So that's, you guys, you guys were just always calling for them and killing them. You guys are killing bears every year.
00:33:41
Speaker
Oh yeah. I've never killed a bear with a rifle. Really? Because I'm always calling them in during archery season. It's, Yeah, there's a lot of traffic in the woods in California in rifle season. and There is a million people in the woods. Yeah, and and ah like these aren't Tahoe bears, generally speaking.
00:33:59
Speaker
So therere they're skittish. They're really skittish, more skittish than deer. They catch your wind, they are gone. um So you get all that traffic in the woods, and and there's they're under pressure big time.
00:34:11
Speaker
um so But during archery, there's – gosh, like a fifth or less of the traffic of the hunting traffic. And so they're kind of just doing their normal thing. And it's a really great opportunity to go after them.
00:34:23
Speaker
Yeah. And the archery, mean, the other thing is archery is before the bird season as well, right? you're not running into all the the upland guys out there, the quail guys, the dove guys, the duck guys, the everything else guys, you know? Yeah. Um, so yeah, do notice I excited all archery hunt And that's when I was seeing most my bucks this year was during archery season. I never got the deal closed on them. Um, um,
00:34:41
Speaker
That's pretty neat, man. You hunt some tougher archery country down there though. Oh, San Diego is terrible, dude. yeah I wish i had some big woods up here. So it's, it's, yeah we got more opportunities. San Diego is terrible, dude. It's just, it's just thick, but it's something we could do. It's something to do. Right. So it's like, I get out, I'll get out, you know, three, four days a week. Sometimes in San Diego, I'll go hunting, you know, whether it be coyotes or birds or whatever, you know?
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah. is this something to do? You got to do it. Take what you can get, right? Opportunity is an opportunity. Yeah. Opportunity is an opportunity. And I just like being on the field and testing stuff, you know what I mean? You know, you just learn, learn stuff. I tell you what, you think Onyx maps and San Diego is just like a one big red pin. mean, I've got pins from the border, literally the border wall to, you power mountain, just, you know, all way up in the riverside right there. It's just pins, pins, pins, and just got to find them. And,
00:35:26
Speaker
I think with San Diego, a lot it is a little bit of luck involved in that as well. We're really going to get you guys hooked up with ah James Visser, man, from Bo Disciples. We should get him on with you guys to do... to do one of these bear hunts with you guys, man, he'd, he'd be all about it. And he's a big archery guy.
00:35:40
Speaker
I've been wanting to hook up with him for a little while and, uh, just haven't had the opportunity to, to make the contact, but yeah, we get off and he's a good friend of mine. Lives down the street from me. He comes over my house all time. um his archery shoot is in a couple of weeks. I don't think it's sold out now, but, uh, we'll get you, let me get on, get on James. he He goes up North every year and goes to hunts. Um,
00:35:59
Speaker
in the a zone for for deer in like july right and uh i'm sure he'd be into doing a bear maybe he'd be way into that you know have you ever hunted up north the northern half of the state never uh just for ducks i've done waterfowl stuff right up there like what is that like above uh redding up there what's all that all i call it like a delta right Yeah. You're talking about like South of Tule Lake or the Klamath Basin. Yeah. The Klamath Basin are there. Yeah. I've done a lot ducks up there. Like, you know, go to the specs and do, you know, the snow goose and some honkers. and But that stuff dried up so much. I haven't been up there in probably five years. It just, has like a desert now it's just like a desert. It was so good. And now it's just California screwed it. Like everything else they do. So we just, I haven't been back up. i mean, the last time I went, it was like, we, I was flying all the up to San Diego and getting two ducks. I'm like, I a' go do that. I'll jump shooting ponds in San Diego. So what's the point of flying up here and wasting, you know, a thousand bucks a person to do this, you know?
00:36:50
Speaker
Yep, no, totally. Well, yeah there's a lot of opportunity up here. stay in touch on it, come up and come with us, but yeah, it'd be fun to go up there and do it. Go ahead. I wanted to circle back around to you've mentioned somebody did, maybe was Ben, um, how and the work they're doing. Oh, the, the legislation about bears.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah. So when we were talking to to Mike, uh, from how about all this legislation.
Proposed Changes in Bear Hunting Regulations
00:37:14
Speaker
So one of the big part of the bills that's on the table right now. So if you're, if you're unfamiliar with it, listening to the podcast, go check it out.
00:37:22
Speaker
Um, what They're proposing this the whole tree and free thing with the dogs, right? and it's Yeah, it's stupid. but Well, the the the methodology is let's get bears afraid of people again.
00:37:35
Speaker
like That's the idea behind it. But worked into that bill, it gives the commission the ability to to create a spring season. So if this bill gets passed, then the commission can just instate a spring bear hunt season without having to go through the ballot box.
00:37:52
Speaker
So it's a big deal for hunters. It really is. And it's a win. No ticks and way better weather than freaking Montana, ah Wyoming. We're going to get people be crawling in here.
00:38:03
Speaker
There going to be bears available in fall for you guys. That's all right. There'll be lots of nice big bucks then. Yeah, exactly. I saw that video that GoHunt put out with all the ticks, Brady.
00:38:15
Speaker
That was insane. Dude, I know. Issues. Yeah. It would be such a fair weather hunt down here in like march or april for bears oh my gosh that'd be such a rad hunt to get into california i'd be hunting the sierras i mean the cool thing about sierras you get there's so much snow up there even up into like july yeah so it would just be like the coolest coolest hunt in some of those areas up there that's really tough bear country that's where i'd want to go do it because it's just such big vast canyons and the big palisades looking over freaking yellowstone or yosemite you know and You know, the nature another spot that's a lot like that, but that probably has more bears is the Trinity Alps. of triity Yeah, Trinity up there. Trinity Alps for Forest. Yeah, it's there. It's kind by Shasta, right?
00:38:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. West of Shasta. That's what I was, that's the areas that I was looking to go up and do It's just such a far drive. so It's like for me to give theirs like 13 hours, you know, from my house and yeah and and do it, but maybe I'll do it. Who knows? I be fun to go focus on it. Maybe I could do it, you know, do a combo dear deer, deer bear deal or something, you know, and pack in there and do it with my kids or something. Cause i know you guys, uh, we should, we had to talk about that. I mean, how are you guys, hunt it sounds like you guys are mostly, you guys road hunting these bears or how are you guys doing that? You guys mostly work in the road systems and calling tops of canyons or what are you guys doing?
00:39:25
Speaker
It's a mix. It's mixed bag. I mean, we do a little bit of that, but we also do, we do wilderness areas for them.
Exploring Bear Hunting Opportunities
00:39:32
Speaker
We do just regular BLM spots. We do national forest. I mean, we, a whole mixed bag, but you can, yeah the roads can be very effective for bears just because, but you have to go early in the season.
00:39:43
Speaker
If you go rifle season and later, the all the traffic pushes them down out down into the be big canyons, you know, so um that's part of the reason why we'll go earlier and hunt for bear. Like honestly, our deer archery opener a lot of times we're hunting bears. If we see a buck, we'll put a stock on it.
00:40:01
Speaker
But we're mostly just calling bears in because the opportunity is so ripe, you know, and it's like you get your bear now, you know, ah deer season is going to be open for months. So But yeah that yeah, you can get them a lot of different ways.
00:40:14
Speaker
I mean, you're going to get most of the time you're going to get better age class, bigger bears. deeper in the woods. Right. I mean, that's kind of the same with deer, you know, uh, they don't like being around people.
00:40:26
Speaker
But, but the thing is like, I've never, I've never personally been that way with deer or bear. Like if I shoot a big buck or bull or whatever, it's because it was the one that I found, you know, I'm not like a hardcore trophy. It's a California mindset right there. Oh, totally. That's a California mindset right there. You just, we're kind of out there just trying to get it done.
00:40:45
Speaker
Yeah, we're having fun, man. And, and, and we, and I'll shoot a deer and I'm happy. You know what i mean? Like I've got some big bucks and I've shot some good sized bears, but eventually, you know, it makes it fun because those ones come in between, you know, the the average size ones.
00:40:58
Speaker
But, um, what's a bear bear? What's a big bear for you guys? I mean, Boone and Crockett, you know, we've, we've shot a couple, our group has shot a couple of Boone Crockett bears at this point. I mean, there's a, I don't know if you can see that hide behind me in the corner. That's a six foot bear.
00:41:15
Speaker
That's what i'm saying. You guys I know we get some big bears in California. I know devisa is like, you got the biggest bears in the States. You're getting six footers. Yeah. That guy was probably bigger than that. Yeah. I brought a kid with me this last rifle season.
00:41:27
Speaker
19-year-old kid, we called in a bear. It was opening opening weekend of rifle season. Called in a bear to probably 25, 30 yards, and he shot it with his rifle. It's actually being scored right now because the head was so big.
00:41:42
Speaker
It took us four hours to cut up that bear in the field. The thing was a toad. I don't know what the hanging weight was. Obviously we were, you know, we had to pack it out. So we weighed the bags when they got back though.
00:41:54
Speaker
And obviously minus the skeleton and the guts and all that, we were at almost 200 pounds. Really a bone, a boned out meat. Well, and the hide, the hide and head. Okay. Oh, that was, yeah, that was a 350 pound bear.
00:42:07
Speaker
Easy. That was a big bear. So yeah, there's some, there's some big ones in there. Yeah, what I was getting at is that I i personally, I shoot when when I call in a bear and it's there, to shoot it because as it like as a service to the state, you know what I mean? I know that sounds ridiculous or altruistic or whatever, but like we need to kill all the bears. like I'm not going to wait. and you know i'm just There's a bunch of guys in our hunting group and like if I shoot mine, I'll i'll bring someone else and to call them one and we'll shoot them one. you know like We just need to get ah we need to get bears on the ground.
00:42:39
Speaker
so And, and it's like, it's, it's helpful in our little microcosm spots, you know, like we got a good little deer spot back over here in the back country. We want to go in there in archery season and clear out the bears. You know what i mean?
00:42:50
Speaker
Cause that's helping us in the long run. So it's a win-win, but yeah. Are you self filming most of these hunts? Are you guys doing it with each other filming? how are you guys doing that with the calling? we usually run together Clayton and I do, and then we'll have another guy with us or two more guys depends on just who's, who's joined in the party at that point. But either Clayton or I are usually filming.
00:43:10
Speaker
So, so one guy filming, one guy hunting pretty much. Yeah. So you're running the call
Bow Hunting Setups and Experiences
00:43:15
Speaker
your bows in your hand. What are you guys shooting for, for arrow setups for these things? I, you know, i shoot, um, actually I just changed this year. i just bought a new bow couple weeks ago. Um, but I'm, uh, I'm shooting the access, um, max now the, um, Jacketed.
00:43:32
Speaker
The new one. Yeah. and yeah I got to try that. They told me to get those. I have the, they, they They gave me a ton of the, I have like 60 of the Axis, the Eastern Axis Arrows 300s, but they want me to switch over to the other ones. I need and need to get some of those things in here and try them out. the words So it's like, if you're listening to this, aluminum wrapped with carbon.
00:43:51
Speaker
It's like the opposite of of FMJ. it's like the opposite. It's like their new thing. and It's supposed to be pretty wicked. sure you're shooting those? Yeah, I'm shooting those with a half cert and I'm trying out the beast broadhead this year.
00:44:02
Speaker
Oh, the beast? Okay, I killed stuff with beast. I killed a goat. I killed a... It was funny. ah I shot a goat with a beast and a goat with a... cue i i just I had random broadheads in my equipment this week and I've killed goats with three or four different for from broadheads since I've been over here.
00:44:16
Speaker
I ended up going away from the beast and the guy the bow shop sold me these like three for $10 cheap exp expandables because he's like, dude, you do not get your stuff back when you hit lava rock in Hawaii. So like, I've just been like shooting these like cheap, like wraps with rubber band on them, but they freaking kill.
00:44:31
Speaker
kills, it kills. i I can't say the one shot was 84 yards and it was like a little bit low and right. And i was like, that was the arrow. Like I knew I was solid and it was like, eh, because they don't fly like a beast does. But those beasts, man, they are wicked, man. I got to meet Josh at a tack event and despite all the, mean, the guy obviously comes a lot of controversy behind him, but dude, the nicest guy in the world.
00:44:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I've heard too. Nicest guy in the world and just um those broadheads are wicked. My only complaint about him is like you them in your quiver sometimes and they pop, right? And then like putting them back is tough. That's so scary, bro. that is It's scary. And Josh just grabs them. I'm like, dude, Josh, like how am I – I'm going to go through my fingers be out here with like you know no fingertips left.
00:45:13
Speaker
I'm always scared that this going to pop out like and hit me when it comes out because they come out so good. You should be cut to the bone. Oh, it's, they're gnarly. they They are gnarly. I shot a pig with one. I mean, it was like blood like you've never seen before. It comes through and it leaves like a four inch hole in the backside of this pig. Right. I think he has me shooting the, I think I'm shooting his one and half.
00:45:32
Speaker
Might be his twos. I think the one and a half, but he gave me a bunch of them and they're pretty slick, man. They're, they're cool. I'm bringing those to me. I'm going to Africa. I'm bringing those in the severs. I'm not, I'm still not sure if i like the severs more or the beast. I kind of like how the severs don't pop open.
00:45:45
Speaker
Yeah. For that one, for that reason, i had that issue, I, I haven't like, I've just done some target shooting and whatever with them. I haven't hunted them yet. Cause I just got them a few weeks ago, but, um, I have, I haven't had the issue yet.
00:45:57
Speaker
Hopefully maybe like the newest design or whatever. I think these, the new ones are even 2.3 Really? a deer. Yeah. oh they're they're on a deer It's unreal.
00:46:08
Speaker
I mean, like you're going to this, the hole is huge. Yeah. Blood everywhere. It's you yeah you're going have, I mean, like I showed that goat the other day. It was just like dead, you know, I'm dead right there. Right. Yeah. No, I'm, I'm shooting like a four, I think a 470 grain arrow, just middle, middleweight arrow. Yep.
00:46:23
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So flies good. So I think I'm like 457. Are you in the four mil? Um, No, I think it's a five. Five. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm doing the, I'm doing like, I'm like four, i think I'm 300, four, like 457 or something like that with, uh, with a 50 grain half out. And then, a um, you know, a 125 beast 125, several upfront or, one twenty fiveever up front or Whatever. On this hunt, I think I shot, I used like some of those fixed blade, like buzzsaw ones. I used some fixed blade QADs.
00:46:53
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My kid shot a deer with, I had some old, not a deer, he shot a goat. He had some old and rage hypodermics and he freaking shot a goat. My kid, was his first bow kill, 50 yards uphill. I mean, double lung and a heart. And that goat was just like, meh.
00:47:06
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And just fell down. How old is it? 16. 16. sixteen Nice. He just freaking roped this goat, man. It was it was pretty cool. i wish I had it on. I have filmed him right afterwards, but like we were actually on the beach, you know and we were hiked into this spot, and you know we were kind of he was hiking around with no shirt on and freaking you know found some goats and got up there, and he's freaking to smoke this goat, man. That's cool. Double lung heart, thing just died right there.
00:47:30
Speaker
But yeah, it's been cool just shooting stuff with all kinds different broadheads. kind of doesn't matter what we have. My 11-year-old shot a chicken with a Q80 exodus as well. so Yeah. my ah my ah My friends here have a bunch of roosters, and they're probably like, come shoot a rooster. my 11th one over there shot a rooster with his bow. Hey, for kit man, if I was 11 or 12 and someone said, come shoot these roosters, bro, you wouldn't have no roosters ah left. it No roosters left, dude.
00:47:55
Speaker
I know. My friend's like, don't shoot this one. This is the we like. Mr. mr or whatever. Mr. Spanky. I don't know what the guy's name is. But there's one rooster they like, right? The other ones they can kill us. That's great. there's chickens everywhere over here. Chickens, pigs, it's a, it's a redneck paradise. You got to go to Hawaii. If you don't get, if you get a chance, I'm coming back on that and a few times and I've never had the opportunity to hunt because usually I'm taking my wife or my
Hunting Plans in Hawaii and Wyoming
00:48:15
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kids or whatever. And we're having a good time.
00:48:17
Speaker
But next time I'm, I told her the last time I was like, I've got it. Next time I've got a hunt. I've got I'm coming back in June. My kid's graduating from Youth Without a Mission. It's a Christian ministry. So was in Hawaii for three months, and now he's in Kyrgyzstan for three months doing missionary work.
00:48:32
Speaker
So he graduates in June. It'll be like his high school and YRAM graduation. And I'm going to go hunting with – there's a pastor over here that I met. been going to his church, and he's like, we're Kuyu. So we went to the beach together, and then now we're going to go hunt wild cows together.
00:48:44
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wild cows together And he's like, dude, he said, he swears that they're the most dangerous animal, the dangerous animals in the world. He's been treed three times. He's like, no boats, you gotta to use a rifle.
00:48:55
Speaker
He's like, there I've heard about those. wow his day He goes, they are no joke. The most dangerous animal what you've ever hunted. Like they are chasing you up. He's been treated three times hunting these things. So I'm like, turn into like water Buffalo.
00:49:07
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yeah Exactly. he That's exactly what he calls me He's like, you got like water Buffalo over here is what he's got. So a Cape Buffalo type deal. And they're up in in, up in really cool terrain. I mean, the stuff up here that like, You hunt along the beach. It's pretty cool. But the stuff that's up really high, like five, 6,000 feet is just stunning.
00:49:22
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And so going to go do that with him. I'm going to come back. I might just film for him and I'll watch him do it. I don't really care if I shoot a cow or not, but if I do, I'll probably borrow his rifle. I don't want to do it. only here for a week.
00:49:33
Speaker
So coming over for a week of my wife and i'm going to bounce off for one day and go hunting and sam but i'll do that stuff. Uh, what do you guys got on the docket for this year? Man, we got we've got an application out for elk.
00:49:46
Speaker
Should draw that. We're going to do a ah Wyoming mule deer hunt with some friends of ours. We've been stacking points in Wyoming for, don't know, years. So we're going to burn those points in October.
00:50:00
Speaker
And then, of course, all of our California stuff. So August archery with our subscriber, the winner of the of this giveaway. And then... September rifle. We might try to do a horse hunt. We've never done horse hunts. Well, hunting with horses, these people, wild horse, go to Nevada. There's plenty.
00:50:18
Speaker
Um, so that, that would be fun. But yeah, we've got a lot of, we've got a lot of hunts coming up I'm actually going to be trying to, uh, shoot a buck in a zone this year in July also. Um,
00:50:29
Speaker
so we'll see how that goes I've got a friend that has a that has a couple hundred acre ranch like literally three minutes from my house and uh I've got permission to hunt out there I've been ah i was i went out Austria a few times didn't put a lot of time into it and got really close a couple times but I mean it's a lot like where you are this A zone area um it's poor genetics. You know, every while you get like a big Pacific fork or something, but mostly they're smaller bucks. Oh, lots of forkies, no eye guards. I mean, you know, a 20 inch wide fork is a giant. He's getting smoked.
00:51:02
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Yeah. Yeah. Same gig up in A zone. So yeah, I mean, basically in this year we, we ended up with this Oregon spring bear tag. So yeah,
00:51:12
Speaker
we got the spring bear thing and then we're going be doing our, our, uh, giveaway and dropping a call and some merch and stuff. And then straight into July, I'll be hunting deer and then August and then September, you know, and how it goes. So yeah. got the regular I'm really curious. Are you fun on calling in the spring bears?
00:51:30
Speaker
Yes. That's the whole goal. I'm curious how it's going Cause i'm going, I'm going hunting now with Cody. I'm like, I want you to go buy a call. Where can you guys buy your calls available yet? Not, ah not yet. When's it available this fall or? First week of May.
00:51:43
Speaker
yeah First week of May. I might build a buy one I'm going up to the last week of May with Cody
Anticipation for Upcoming Hunts and First Success
00:51:47
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Rich. Maybe buy a call. Do some product training you guys something. Yeah. We can dish you out a couple when we get our first shipment. So we'll send them down. get to the wrong one and try it out and see how it does. I know that Lampers, guys doing the same thing.
00:51:59
Speaker
So let's wrap this thing up. Maybe get a hunting story. Maybe get a bear story. Give me like a wild bear story or something you guys got. You know, something. Give me something good. Wrap it up with a good story. Oh, Pressure moment, huh?
00:52:10
Speaker
Yeah. How about how about the so how about the the story when you first the first bear either of us had ever killed when we first started figuring out bear calling. Right. Yeah. Yeah. yeah So so we we were we there weren't even on our radar at the time. You know, we were hunting deer and we were in this really snaggy kind of dry, hot area.
00:52:32
Speaker
And I had some trail cams and that was the reason we were down there. Well, on the trail cams, my trail cams got destroyed by the stupid bear. He ate both the trail cams. It was this one particular same one particular bear, black bear, real brown nose. And ah I was like the stupid bear or not.
00:52:48
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i don't remember how it looked like. Anyway, it was this. but He had a particular marking right or whatever. And so he destroyed my child cameras like early on. So I didn't get any footage of what was going on there or whatever.
00:53:00
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So Clayton and I were just hiking around. It's archery season. And um all of a sudden, like down out of the area where I had those trail camps, here comes this bear, like hot footing it up the other side of the hill.
00:53:13
Speaker
And I was like, dude, there's a bear right there. It's probably like the same bear that's eating in my trail camps. And probably 300 yards out. We didn't – we were like, dang, he's gone. So we ran as fast as we could around this other ridge to try to get – we just had bows.
00:53:26
Speaker
So by the time we got to the next ridge, he was already going up the other side. you know Oh, God. Good luck trying to catch a bear that's on the moon. Those things, it's like an elk. So we were like, well, let's just try it. I was like, I got a coyote call in my pocket. Let's just try it.
00:53:37
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So we blow this call and it happened to be like a fawn noise. All of a sudden, this bear like – alters course and just starts coming straight up our Canyon. We're like, dude, he's coming right now.
00:53:50
Speaker
So a couple more blows on the call. And all of a sudden this bear is standing there. And we, we had started filming hunts at this point. ah We had some like jangety camera or whatever, and I'm standing in there filming, you know, and Clayton's ready to shoot. And this thing pops up like 30 yards and he's just standing, like looking for us, right. This head going back and forth.
00:54:10
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And, And Clayton draws, the whole thing happens. I go, I'm looking through the LCD screen. I've got this whole thing unfolding on film. It's the best film yet to this, you know, our channel.
00:54:21
Speaker
And he just drills this bear, pinwheels it. Bear takes off running, big growl, biting at the arrow, the whole thing. Turns over, turns out two awesome things. One is I didn't push record.
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah. So we got no footage of this. And then we get to the bear. Luckily that was the same bear that eating my trail cameras. So we kind of got them back for all that, but it was wild. That was like our discovery point of like, Hey, we can call bears in.
00:54:48
Speaker
so So you had to do the whole, you guys do the whole like walk of shame. Like, Hey guys, I forgot to press record, I swear this just happened. That video. since then It's never happened again.
00:55:00
Speaker
We've had like probably six kill shots missed because someone didn't push the record button. It's insane. Dude, I tell my kid, like my I tell my kid all the time, I'm like, stop trying to edit while you film. My kid's filming most my stuff when I'm over here and stuff. I'm like, just record.
00:55:14
Speaker
Like you're not paying for the space on the – just record for longer. Give me two minutes. He'll try and like do clips. And I'm like, stop trying to – just leave it recording cause you're missing stuff that happens. but you You try and edit. You know what mean? So just let that sucker run, man, and get that footage.
00:55:28
Speaker
Yeah. It's recording a whole other thing. I spot like a Nikon Z9, like, you know, $6,000 camera, like the crazy deal, bring it over place to me now and try to film lot own hunts. But, uh, dude, Grizzly brothers, man, you guys got me intrigued.
00:55:41
Speaker
Go buy a Grizzly brothers quota call, man. coming out in May. Will you be on your website or on, will they be on a born and raised website? Both. I'm pretty sure that Tricer is on the born and raised website now or will be.
00:55:53
Speaker
Cool. Don't quote me on that, but I'm almost positive that that was told to me on my current. So if it's not born and raised, you get our stuff on your website. Yeah. Come on. Put slacking guys. I'm pretty sure it is on their website.
00:56:04
Speaker
um So yeah. So born and raised, go get their call on their site or on the crazy brothers website. Go give Clayton and Ben a follow on Instagram. And then where they're really prominent is YouTube. Obviously 60,000 followers. That says something. cause I'll tell you what, man, i don't even have 2000 yet. And I'm pumping videos out like crazy.
00:56:21
Speaker
So I'm impressed. I hope so, man. It's, it's kind of like one of those things where you just do it And you're just like, i just spent all this time in this thing and I got 500 views. Right. Yeah. But whatever. I think I got 3000 views in my last video and I'm like freaking pumped right now. on my life hey god did last speak So and I'm trying this new model of like these like little, like five, four to six minute video hump films rather than these long ones.
00:56:40
Speaker
nice I do have a really sick one coming out this weekend though. My animal hunt is really dope. but that's a long farm, like 18 minute hunt film. Check it out. Yeah, definitely. Before we, before we cut out, um man, amazing stuff, what you've done in the tripod world.
00:56:55
Speaker
So I have men have like five tripods and I decided after seeing some of the reviews ah of your stuff, I bought my first tricer last year. so I haven't had it that long. And man, I'll never go back.
00:57:07
Speaker
It's game changer. So yeah, shout out to you. You've done it. It's inspiring. That's awesome. i appreciate it. Appreciate you guys. California love, huh? westco West side. Yes, sir. sorry Guys out there.
00:57:19
Speaker
Keep crushing you guys. Appreciate it, man. Thanks for, see you later.
00:57:25
Speaker
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00:57:41
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