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Arc 29: Venom - Dissecting Worm
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Dissecting Worm: The sister podcast to Brockton Bay Book Club where our hosts Jacob and Allan discuss adapting Worm for television.
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"Two parts to a whole. Cycle after cycle. Resetting, reinvention, existence beyond the end. Complexity and chaos, assembly and dissection."
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(00:00) - Introduction
(01:30) - Dissecting Begins
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Launch of Brockton Bay Book Club Merch
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Introduction to Worm by JC McCray
00:00:25
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Worm is a web serial by JC McCray, also known as Wildbo. You can read Worm in its original format by visiting parahumans dot.wordpress dot.com or donate to Wildbo's Patreon at patreon dot.com slash Wildbo. This story isn't intended for young or sensitive readers. Readers who are on the lookout for trigger warnings are advised to give Worm a pass. For a complete list, check the description for all of Worm's trigger warnings.
Challenges of Adapting Worm into TV
00:01:34
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Take that, you worms. We have arrived at the penultimate arc of this incredible web series. Thank you. Well timed, Michael. Thank you. Welcome back to Dissecting Worm. We are attempting to piece together some semblance of a television show.
00:02:03
Speaker
out of all these chapters. And we have arrived.
Character Development in Arc 29
00:02:08
Speaker
Arc 29, Alan, how are you feeling? I thought this would tie it all together for me. I thought we would get here and I'd be ready. And and I find myself with a disturbing lack of notes. Yeah, it's um this is such a great arc because it's ah It's a huge information dump of an arc, um which is which is great. We need those. But it is it's tricky to, one, try to split this up effectively so that you're not just overloading an audience.
00:02:52
Speaker
like Like imagine this is as like of a show, this was like the second to last episode of the series would be way too much. It would be so much so quickly. And then just end after that would be a little traumatizing. But at the same time, I don't don't want to change a whole lot. I mean, probably tweaking some of like the Seder stuff and the the betrayal and all that. But I mean, the rest of it is just so good, solid.
00:03:20
Speaker
If anything, it's just seeing more.
Revising Character Arcs for TV
00:03:22
Speaker
It's seeing more of like, uh, the case 53s and the irregulars kind of all of that going on. Um, this is probably adding to it if anything, but it's intimidating for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think this is the first one we are maybe ready to start going back into some of the arcs as you plot.
00:03:46
Speaker
this direction. And I mean, we all know what happens in the next arc. So kind of already plot that way as well. Um, is there anywhere you'd like to start? Not particularly anyplace in particular, uh, said particularly particular twice with the exception that I think And we've sort of hinted at this before, but I think we've danced around some of the like B, C and D plots that would obviously need to be written into any show. Um, cause we're kind of sticking with the arcs as they go, but definitely something that if we go back and kind of, you know, re edit and reframe a lot of this, that these arcs would need to be developed.
00:04:32
Speaker
The big one this season would be the irregulars and kind of welds team, um, because their arrival, which is actually when last end of 28, uh, yeah, the end of 28 when they assault Cauldron.
00:04:52
Speaker
There's not a lot of prep for that given to the readers, which is fine in context. It's just sort of what's going on, but that's absolutely something you'd want to set up for an audience.
Integrating Key Characters into Storyline
00:05:04
Speaker
You know, how you want to do that is probably a plethora of ways you can, but little things like that, we'd certainly need to be plotting throughout the season, if not prior seasons as well. Yeah. Um,
00:05:23
Speaker
I think, I think we're going to need at least two points here. I think like when we're talking about with the irregulars, I think we split, um, potentially the teams between two people. Um, I think ideally Gollum and Taylor would be your two people that you follow. Um, I think.
00:05:51
Speaker
going all the way back. And we're just going to go off the assumption that we start with arc 26 being our starter, you know, opening, pulling down into Killington. Um, I think it would benefit us to have that, our, our starting point with Taylor and Gollum together, we kind of cut back and forth, but they are generally in the same place. Um, until we get to them chasing down maybe leads.
00:06:22
Speaker
Like trying to chase down Jack. Um, at which point in time, maybe you have them divert, like one of them's fighting slaughterhouse 9,000. The other, and you know, golem is actually chasing down Jack himself. Uh, we get to the end, you know, everything happens from there. I think, I think we do basically everything that isn't directly plot related to Everything with Taylor should be leading towards Keppri at this point. who um I think it's constantly having her run aground of people that won't cooperate, her going to the cauldron meetings, her dealing with shadow stalker, all that jazz and the rest of it be taken up by golem.
00:07:17
Speaker
um Maybe have golem talk a little bit more with all of the heroes and stuff. Uh, and you know, would probably be, you know, obviously the B plot character. Yeah. Um, but then they, you know, they kind of team back up going into cauldron to do whatever they have to do. And they split up Taylor, of course, goes down and eventually finds maybe
00:07:52
Speaker
deals with ah satirical and finding Eve and the doctor, whereas Gollum potentially runs into Weld and the irregulars. Right. I like that. I i do ah like the idea of making sure that we ah keep Gollum around after everything with Jack because like, yes, he's present in the story, of course, but He does take a pretty significant backseat to everything else that's going on. Understandable, which is kind of one of those things where it's like, there's a great character that we, that we're building up for this big moment. We do want them to stick around in some capacity afterwards, just so that it's satisfying. Um, I was thinking about that with the regulars too, like remind me, cause I was reading quickly through a lot of these chapters are neuter and Gregor here, part of this group.
00:08:47
Speaker
Uh, I did not see them. Okay. I didn't either. And because they are happy with their situation over with one, I was going to say, I guess they're with fault line. This is, this is strictly it a irregulars case 53 is that are not part of fault lines crew, right? Yeah. Okay. Which if we honestly, if we were condensing stuff,
00:09:13
Speaker
we would find a way to combine fault lines crew with, uh, with the irregulars in some form. That's that would be a fun,
00:09:27
Speaker
Yeah, that would be a fun like thought experiment to put out to fans and see what see what they thought of that. Because I kind of like that, again, talking about condensing storylines and
Exploring Character Motivations
00:09:39
Speaker
and threads just so that it's a bit easier to track for a much shorter TV series as opposed to a book. I don't think Fault Line herself would really care about attacking Cauldron.
00:09:54
Speaker
Well, but if we, and we've, you know, we've talked about making cauldron responsible for, you know, her sister or something like that. True. Maybe she just has a kind spot in her heart for case 53 is which seems to be the case. If we made it a personal note, I mean, she does a bunch of research into them. Um, we could see her with, you know, with the case 53 is on our team, uh, hunting down Cauldron like they were already doing. That is true. It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be a big stretch to really make that work. You're right. And they just, you know, they want answers and a lot of people just want revenge. You know what? You're kind of winning me over. Yeah. I think actually you probably could make that work pretty easily. Um, cause that would also be a,
00:10:51
Speaker
that would That would be a hard-hitting moment. We have a lot of these, ire okay, so he here, we have a lot of these irregulars that we have barely met. The ones that we really know are Sveta, Weld, Gregor, Nuder. I'm sure there's others that I'm forgetting, but those are the the case 53s that we know. Yeah. Unless I'm mistaken.
00:11:18
Speaker
I think that's right. Just for this like popular named yeah case 53. So I think that we've run into gully and gentle giant before, who like way back when, but you know, they got like one, two scenes. Maybe they say like, I'm not leaving and that's it. Um, right. So when they do their betrayal,
00:11:46
Speaker
We are, of course, all on.
00:11:52
Speaker
Like all of our people that we root for are all on the side of like, guys, let's not get revenge. But what if, and you know, this doesn't have to be consistent with the character in the story, but what if neuter or Gregor were not, you know, so forgiving? What if they were part of the irregular group? That's like, no, we got a lyncher.
00:12:16
Speaker
Yeah. I think that that puts, I think that does a little bit better for your, uh, the audience connecting with the other side. In this case, you have people to identify with who you've seen before and have followed. Um, if we were expounding on their backstory, you know, that ah we would have to come up with obviously,
00:12:44
Speaker
in you know in a longer, so where we have them in other seasons as well, expound upon their backstory, have them as this group that we also follow, it's gonna, and then show like, hey, I feel like I had a lot taken away from me. um you know I really want answers you know and yada, yada, especially Gregor and Nuder having their talk like, hey, are you happy?
00:13:09
Speaker
And you could have neuter kind of come to the realization like, you know what? It's been two years. I've been, you know, living the life of the party. And I think I realized that I'm really depressed and I want somebody to blame for all this. Like I was trying to put on a happy face that everything was okay. And this was actually a benefit when in reality um it's not. And I hate it.
00:13:38
Speaker
especially kind of bittering and denial and all this yeah Especially considering that worm sort of is known for flawed and complex characters, right? Like that's the whole theme is like, Hey, our heroes are kind of also bad guys. And so, you know, it would fit really well to have you know, them kind of wrestle with this or the audience has to also wrestle with it. You know, well, murder is bad, but they did kind of ruin his life and, uh, some, you know, it's sympathetic, you know, so I think, I think all of that works. You can make that work pretty easily. Yeah. I mean, what do you do this whole time? If we've been having conversations between Gregor and neuter about what it is to be case 53, and we come to this,
00:14:29
Speaker
the you know, this fork in the road and one or, you know, one goes the opposite direction from the other, you know, pick or choose. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what happens when Greg or the one that has been speaking wisdom and kind of been a little bit of a mentor when it comes to case 53 stuff for neuter picks the option to, you know, kill doctor mother or, you know, the flip side where neuter's been following him this whole time, you know,
00:14:58
Speaker
yeah and and decides, you know what, I'm not going to go with you down the pacifist route where we we are fucking doctor mother up. um You know, I don't need answers. I need revenge. um And I think that, you know, it's a good conversation and a great lead into like some sort of fight or conflict of some kind.
00:15:22
Speaker
It also feels natural, right? I mean, they're they are how we are introduced to case 53s in Cauldron. yeah And so for them not to be there when all the answers are given would feel a little odd, I think. It's funny. it' so it's Again, it's funny it's how it's one of those things where I even think twice about it when I'm reading it, you know, I didn't go, wait a minute, where's neuter? You know, but looking back at it, I'm like, wait a minute. Why wasn't he there? Where's my boy?
00:15:52
Speaker
You know, definitely one of those things that I think, again, we talk about simplification. We talk about kind of condensing characters and, and, uh, threads and things like that. I think that does kind of make sense, but what does the audience think? What do fans think? Curious. That's an interesting one. I think it could work pretty well. Yeah.
Using Flash-forwards in Storytelling
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah. Um, so I think that's, that's a good one too.
00:16:21
Speaker
a good line to follow in the background. you could You could actually fill. If you wanted to fill time, especially during the Jack sequence um and pad that for time, ah there's a you know this is a good time to reintroduce the irregulars and fault lines crew for three episodes before we even get to ah Gold Morning. Yeah.
00:16:47
Speaker
Yeah. You know, if they have been gone for a while, this would be a great time to focus a lot more attention on them to have fault line, be like, Hey guys, uh, you know, we we've, since we've teamed up with the irregular, since everything's come out, we have a lot more information to like, I feel like we are so close, you know, we could jump Colton at any minute. What are we going to do when we get inside? and and Oh, I don't know. And she's like,
00:17:16
Speaker
You know, and she's got to make the decision. Like, am I helping, you know, my friend Gregor kill everybody in there? Like, what are, what are we doing? You know, kind of. Yeah. You know, what happens when the doors open and you are allowed to do, you know, to make that decision. Yeah. I like it. I think there's a lot to work with there. That's good stuff.
00:17:45
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00:18:29
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um My important question for this arc is, who the fuck do we cast as gavel, my man? no I mean, there's an easy answer for this.
00:18:42
Speaker
It's it's whatever which WWE wrestler is ready for his big moment. Oh, you were going to go w WWE. Yeah. yeah for Where were you going? Oh, I was thinking freaking Hugh Jackman. ah You know, OK, first you would kill us for sure. But hilariously, I think he's too small. Yeah, that that's fair. That's fair.
00:19:10
Speaker
um ah The two others, you know, John Cena would do obviously a great job. The problem with Gavil is it's such a small moment. Like it's equivalent of like, you know, a minute and a half of total screen time.
00:19:32
Speaker
So if you were to go like huge celebrity casting for a quick buck, you know, it would feel so out of place, but at the same time, it's what I want. So Henry Cavill then? Yeah. Henry, Henry Gavill, you mean? Oh, my, my backup ah all the time is, uh, Alan Richardson.
00:20:03
Speaker
Oh, freaking, um, uh, freaking Reacher, right? Uh, yeah. Or Aquaman in everything. ah Oh, he voices Aquaman. Oh, does he really? Yeah. For a lot of DC property stuff that he's huge. He's, I think he's, he's only six foot two, but yeah, he is so broad shouldered. He looks about as wide as he is tall, which yeah is kind of what makes him not seem as tall.
00:20:29
Speaker
You know, you're like twenty originally like, he's like, you know, so set to three, four dimensions. And then you're like, let's not that big. And then you realize like, oh, no, he's just that wide man. Okay. Well, we're stuck on fan casting. I almost want him like, that's too small a role. He needs to be something else, but he would, he would nail, he would be a perfect gavel. Yeah. Yeah. But I want him, I want him to do something more. He's, he's a great actor. Uh, anyway, fan casting aside.
00:20:59
Speaker
I do like that fight scene. I would wanna keep it in for sure. Oh yeah. Like I've said, I think i think leading up to this, we we've we've had all the moments of leading up to what causes Taylor to um to to make the decision to become Capri. And I think, and actually on the flip side, ah having Gollum,
00:21:27
Speaker
golem having Golem discover Eve is actually probably a better choice simply because having Taylor deal with the irregulars again and the fact that like these are people who just won't cooperate who continues to hammer home the the fact that she's about to make everyone cooperate.
00:22:02
Speaker
um So maybe we have her deal with them so simply for, you know, or being present when defying, you know, just having to, you know, bitch it, saint for being a bitch, fight, you know, the Yangban, fight the elite, fight teacher, you know, have her be there for all of that, just be so she can get absolutely pissed at them. And be like, you know what? If only all of you would cooperate, this wouldn't be a problem. Amy, hit it. Anyway, here's Wonderwall. Yeah, I was going to say, Amy, hit Capricito. Yeah.
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I think a lot of those subtle changes will work really well. um You have to kind of retweet a few things, but but nothing nothing too consequential. The one thing I was thinking about was, I think it would be neat, and I'm trying to piece this together.
00:23:11
Speaker
as we're speaking. But we've been doing a lot of these like flashback sequences in past seasons, or like maybe even an entire season has a bit of a little bit little bit of a thread, assault and battery interlude, um things like that, kind of adding to the world building through these other characters' perspectives, which I feel like also kind of honors the interlude feel a bit Which is kind of fun. I know where this is going. You might already pick up on it. I think it'd be neat to play against that. And instead of this flashback, we do sort of a alternate flash forward this season with Eden's paradise or slash optimal future. Would be interesting. I don't think you could do it for a whole season, but I definitely like the idea of
00:24:03
Speaker
of maybe faking out the audience a bit with her, ah with her like, ah you know, her path to victory, essentially, I keep saying her, it's path to victory.
00:24:17
Speaker
um
00:24:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think that'd be really fun to play with. And then kind of reveal at the end, because the audience the whole time can kind of be going like, man, those voices sound familiar if they're all like masked up and stuff, you know, yeah what's going on and then like slowly reveal at the end that Oh, you're not where you think we are. You just kind of fun.
Contessa's Backstory and Cauldron
00:24:40
Speaker
I mean, I like, I like throwing essentially the entire Fortuna interlude at the beginning of the episodes. Um, Oh, if you want, if you want to do the whole interlude, um, with, Oh, I see what you're saying. Did the whole, so
00:25:00
Speaker
Here's here's what you do number one you exchange I'm trying to think about how much we've seen of the entities. Yeah at this point in time because I believe We've gotten the well the the reader we've gotten obviously ah yeah, the whole interlude explaining that but as ah with out outside of interludes, I should say, like within, for Taylor, as Taylor seen. yeah And I thought that happened somewhere here.
00:25:46
Speaker
I'm trying to remember. I could have sworn um they have it happened specifically with the King of Cups. And that's when they all see Sion's true form and the vision.
00:25:58
Speaker
with the worm, um but, and Lisa's the one that kind of facilitates that as well, I thought, or something does something there. Yeah, well, we had talked, and maybe we'll kind of come back to this, I guess, we had talked a bit about maybe giving a little bit of this plot thread to ah Lisa and having having her be able to kind of continue her interlude from Leviathan's fight, where she's able to slowly sort of piece together what the endbringers are. um It kind of makes sense. I know the word cut, she's kind of the cop out exposition dump answer, but it also just works really well with how her power works, that she could sort of piece together the were the the truth about what Sion is, you know.
00:26:53
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I think i think putting the the interlude you could start with, instead of doing the crash straight up as um as a war like as the the the entities, what you do is you do it from Contessa's point of view. That it's her maybe like walking in an empty, you know the the all white room kind of thing.
00:27:22
Speaker
And she's like walking with someone, talking to them. You know, all stand-ins for the entities and she's like carrying stuff. who You know, she literally shards in her hands or something like that. And she's got her golden shard. And then another, you know, and person bumps into them, essentially knocks the shard loose. It scatters across the ground and like baby her picks it up. who And, you know, that leaves everybody going like, what, what, one what the hell is this?
00:27:52
Speaker
who um And you essentially have that all just be the metaphor for what the entities have happened with them. And then you cut, you know, eventually the next episode would be her waking up in the night, ah seeing the golden light, all that. She goes out, she kills the monster, um you know, the founding of Cauldron. And then right about the time that we open the bunker to show off how they make the stuff, like that kind of coincides with like, oh, well, we know she killed that thing, whatever the hell it was. We know that she became Contessa because now she has whatever that thing is and that she founded Cauldron. And then, you know, we get the, oh, they opened the vault and there's Eve. Oh yeah, yeah, no, we we did more than just kill it, we harvested it.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, because that's that's kind of the big reveal is not so much that that an entity died or something like that. But it's that cauldron founded and has been that's how it's been creating powers. um So, yeah, I mean, i I like that a lot. I think I think it would be very tricky. We'd have to really sit down and and figure out how that plays out beat for beat. But I I think that could work really, really well.
Animated vs Live-action Adaptation
00:29:26
Speaker
I like the idea of Contessa being the guide for that. That'd be cool. Space it out for the whole season. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot running around the cauldron thing that we could slim down. I don't think we need to have the whole like hiding in the cells too much. There was a lot of doing that. And I think we could just kind of go through some talking, maybe a little bit of hiding and then straight into a fight.
00:29:52
Speaker
um I think we adjust, yeah, I'm with you there. I think we adjust some of that. I think we also adjust their escape at the end too. um I don't like the idea, again, works in the serial for adaptation purposes. I don't like the idea of there being a Siberian clone here or a Manton clone, I guess.
00:30:15
Speaker
Um, I think would just be a little, just, just a little too much. There's just so many clones and so many, you know, good stuff to keep track of. And wait, why is he helping? It's just, it's a lot, you know, uh, same with all the harbingers. Um, so you'd have to kind of, I would, I would probably want to just rework their escape a bit. Um, try to figure that out. Yeah. What about, uh,
00:30:43
Speaker
our boy Sater. I mean, I think maybe we, maybe we toned down the power.
00:30:59
Speaker
I don't, I don't like his, his, uh, his clone power to be honest. Um, and wall that, you know, this is just a personal note. I think it would be visually not that hard to explain, but I think for literally 15 seconds simplicity, we just have the two people guarding the cave, you know, uh, doing their thing and, um,
00:31:31
Speaker
them, somebody come in and be like, yo, uh, What the heck are the, you know, they're supposed to, you know, they, they are classic shifty people. What are they doing in that cave? And they're like, Oh, they're just, you know, just waiting on the rest of their group. And they're like, well, it's weird that we think there's a cauldron portal in there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then they, you know, deal deal with the two there. And then Seder is somewhere hiding in with the irregulars. They're pretty sure. And
00:32:03
Speaker
eventually him and his group break off because they know how to get to Dr. Mother somehow. Right. And so that's also where Taylor and Gollum have to split up. Yeah, that works. Simple enough.
00:32:18
Speaker
And there's not much to really talk about with Sion's arrival, uh, other than to say, I love it. It's terrifying. And we should give him his hallway scene that everybody seems to love these days. Uh, just picturing like the Darth Vader scene at the end of rogue one, but with Sion and a bunch of pair of humans. Oh, how unfortunate. Yeah. Yes. Wrong place. Wrong time, my friend.
00:32:47
Speaker
But that would be, that'd be a great scene. Oh yeah. Yeah. We haven't talked a lot about the rating, but obviously this is a TVMA R rating. You know, I don't think you, I don't think you can do a worm with anything other than that. I mean, I could think of some creative ways to do a lot of it.
00:33:14
Speaker
um yeah Honestly, if we were putting the limitation on ourself to be like, we can't do anything that like Justice League Unlimited hasn't already done, then yeah, I like i could i could see us doing a lot of stuff, you know editing things down if we needed to for a animated, you know, somewhat mature. Funny, if it's animated, I think you could actually get away with a lot more and keep a lower rating. Yeah.
00:33:42
Speaker
Cause if you do it when it's live action, it kind of feels fakie. Yeah. But if you do it animated, it actually feels maybe more serious because it should be in what's a feels like a, you know, the more tame format.
Final Thoughts and Fan Engagement
00:33:58
Speaker
Yeah. It's weird how that works, isn't it? Like, I mean, uh, what's it, uh, invincible, violent as hell. And yet.
00:34:07
Speaker
As grotesque as it gets sometimes, it's still just, it's just not as bad as watching, you know, like, like to me, it's less violent than watching John Wick, you know, which is weird. Because if you flip those and John Wick was animated and, and invincible was live action, be the goriest thing ever put to screen. Yeah. It'd be the boys. It would, it would be probably worse than the boys. Yeah. Funny how we, how we view that.
00:34:37
Speaker
No, if you if you're going animated, I think you could you could get away with a lot. You could move stuff around quite a bit. You wouldn't have to go like super, super hard hardcore, but you could get away with a lot more.
00:34:51
Speaker
I think the big things is just either way, regardless of how much you like quote unquote show or hide, ah you would still have to heavily imply quite a bit of death and pain and sadness. Like you can't do the Leviathan fight or the behemoth fight and not show anyone dying and then being like, it's the hero killer. You know, you didn't get into one this time, but, uh, he's tricky, you know? Yeah. Any other, uh, any other thoughts on the arc here? We've got anything, any thoughts on Dr. Mother or, uh, Eden or anything like that? Yeah. Uh, I do like, uh, I mentioned this a bit in the book club, but, um,
00:35:42
Speaker
i I think it'd be a lot of fun to sit down with a really good director and like little things like trying to plan out how Eden looks, right? um How it occupies the underground warehouse, um things like that would be would really fun to try to just think through and sketch out and see sort of come to life. Because what a really bizarre, yeah ethereal,
00:36:11
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You know sublime image. Yeah be fun Well, I don't have I don't have too much more here I know where we've got one arc to go and I think um I don't know what you guys think I think we might need like a like a cool down episode before the recap maybe after the recap kind of just ah Piecing everything together ah I don't know how long that's gonna take us but Uh, there's, there's, there's a few more pieces of the puzzle here before we do any sort of like bookend first draft, go back and take a look at the whole thing. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Makes sense to me. Yeah. Well, as always, let us know what you think. Those of you who are listening, we thank you so much. It's a lot of fun. We are right at the finish line. It is just around the corner.
00:37:10
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And then we would have after that, we're going to have a rough draft of a first draft of a potential script or a potential spinoff television series adaptation. Look at how long it takes. It's crazy. A lot of fun thoughts here that we've kind of talked about ways of kind of moving this arc around, moving some pieces around.
00:37:35
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putting the season together a bit here. um What do you agree with? What do you disagree with? We'd love to hear your thoughts and perspectives. What do you think works and who's your fan cast for gavel? Let me know in the comments. Curious until next time.
00:37:53
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00:38:21
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Alan, Michael, as always, thank you for joining me on this lovely journey. We've got one arc to go. And until next time, take that you worms.
00:38:42
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