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BBBC Reads Ward - Episode 9
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The Brockton Bay Book Club discusses J.C. McCrae's Ward live! The gang reads a portion of Ward and comes together to share our thoughts with each other and anyone who want's to participate.
This week we cover Arc 7 (Torch)!
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00:00:01
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And we're live. Welcome everybody. i Good evening, mega Tonight in the people's court, we bring the people versus reino fire Frazier who will win.
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How are y'all doing tonight? Brockton Bay book club.
00:00:28
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Good. You doing as always? We're all merged out. Better rain. Fantastic. Better than rain. Honestly, better than the host of most of them.
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ah For those of you who don't know, we are a podcast that is just going over Ward by J.C. McRae, arc by arc, um and we're reading it and just doing a little book club on it.
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um Here we have the hosts, myself, Alan, ah Hannah. Hello. Jacob. Yeah, hello. Nick.
00:01:05
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Hello there. And our producer, Michael. Hello. Welcome. There we go. Um... ah Yes. So as always, i try to avoid spoilers for future stuff. I am the only one who has read a book ahead.
00:01:21
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The rest of these lovely ah book club members are first timers. So ah watch your spoilers and chat. Otherwise, if you'd like to contribute um to spoilers, we have a word spoilers channel in our discord that you can be a part of.
00:01:38
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And you can talk about everything there and contribute to the bingo sheet that we put out. Now, this week, we read a rather short section, so the bingo sheet is a little lacking. But I'm sure next week will be a very fun one.
00:01:52
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ah It is in the description of the YouTube channel if you'd like to play along. But yeah, other than that, our fun patron content, which we are still working on, and I have some ideas for some fun ones, including ah some PowerPoint slideshow type stuff.
00:02:07
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um Getting into it, this week, we read... uh, arc 7.1 to 7.4, because there is a huge interlude arc in the middle of this, um, is very short, uh, for our reading purposes, but, um, we did it.
00:02:25
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And, ah initial thoughts, um, Hannah. um You know, it's it's short. It's short. But I feel like we've got some good stuff, good, like, inner dynamics of the group stuff going on here. um And we got a lot from Victoria. So, like, i'm I feel like even though we're not getting a lot of action, we're getting a lot of, like, emotional action. So I was here for it.
00:02:51
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Jacob. Yeah, fun fun couple chapters. Even even by chapter length standards, they felt short. I don't know if that's true or not, but yeah I read through them pretty quick.
00:03:02
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yeah but um But yeah, we'll obviously get into it. But you know not not a lot happens plot-wise, but good conversations, good character building.
00:03:13
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I'm curious why Wildbow broke it up here. for some interludes because nothing really sets up interludes too much. So I'm really curious why.
00:03:25
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Well, I guess we'll find out next time. And Nick? Yeah, pretty similar. um i I get the foreboding sense um this is sort of a calm before a storm um kind of little section here.
00:03:44
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um I don't know exactly what is going to happen. um I did note that the at the bottom of 7.4, in addition to the usual next chapter link, there was a button that had the gold morning symbol um and it also led to eclipse.
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So i'm I don't know if they're related, ah eclipse and gold morning related. I saw some people in the original comments speculating on Wild Bo's web page there.
00:04:15
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um So no spoilers, of course, because they were reading it in time as well. um Yes. But yeah, yeah have very interesting. I'll be interested to see what happens. Fun fact that Fran pointed out ah that Torch 7.4 is the shortest words chapter. It's only like 2,000 words, which, you know, this is like four pages, little over four pages, but for our boy Wildbo is ridiculous. And that's because he put that out the same day that Eclipse X.1 also came out.
00:04:44
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also came out um and we'll get into what the uh the interlude it's like it's like 10 chapters of interlude chapters in the middle of this pertain to ah the next time we read and vic as you put it out look at all those brockton bay book club shirts yes uh we have a wrapin love the lovely set there and the brockton bays shirt as well all of which you can purchase if you'd like Speaking of purchasing things, we've often forgot to mention this, but this episode of the Brockton Paid Book Club is in fact sponsored by Made Marion.
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All right. Heck yeah. ah It's a mouse. Let's get into it. i' What? I'm trying to figure that out, but I'm sure we'll figure it out later.
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All right. Moving straight in. Nick. 7.1. Give us that chapter description. Let's do it. 7.1. Victoria does physical therapy.
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Nobody knows what happened to those caught by the portals. We chat with Kinsey's dad. Vicky's new therapist finds her. And the team goes to see Rain and Ashley at their tribunal.
00:06:51
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The physical therapy bit. That was interesting to me. um Just like imagining yeah these are these are superheroes, but they're not like the typical comic heroes who you like a nameless Batman movie, get shot in the chest with a shotgun and we'll walk it off kind of thing. you um This is a, she got shot in the arm. She doesn't have healing power.
00:07:17
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There's not a healer nearby. she has to do legit physical therapy to actually get better. It kind of sucks. Yeah. I'm glad Wild Bo included a bit of that because yeah Victoria definitely comes across as more invulnerable than she is.
00:07:32
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And with Taylor, was the polar opposite. Taylor got hurt like every arc. Like blown up, ripped in half, monster body, you know, all sorts of stuff. She was very, very mortal.
00:07:43
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And I felt like we were losing a bit of that with Victoria. Not that I minded because she's such a different character, but it's neat to kind of bring that back a little bit. Because that is, it's very, it's such a trope for his world of capes being, you know, not not bulletproof.
00:08:00
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So good to see. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I like a little bit of it. It's I think it's it's it like you said, it brings us down back to Earth a little bit. And I anytime we have some of this like downtime, some of the like regular life that like little peek into the world, i really enjoy.
00:08:17
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and um also, i I just love the physical therapist. I think she's so cute and she's so bubbly and so happy. And I love that. She's just being such a sweetie pie.
00:08:30
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I also don't trust her. Nobody should be too happy in this world. Hey! Look, some of us are just happy all the time. um i said us. i Actually, I don't know why I said us. It's not any of us.
00:08:44
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i love my podcast or not like It's our patrons. Our patrons are happy. don't exude bubbly joy every second of every day. Come, Hannah.
00:08:55
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Truly at at least one of them. Thinking of things that fucking suck, they mentioned dry sockets and it reminded me that I did in fact have dry socket one time and that was fucking miserable. Yeah, no. yeah a That ain't it. I'm good.
00:09:09
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Woof. i think it was after I got my like wisdom teeth removed. And let me tell you, you only pull so many baby carrot pieces out of that empty socket. You know?
00:09:20
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Or it starts to really wear on you. out gross. It's even worse because I'm allergic to carrots. That's true. he it' Why are you eating them in the first place? Because I like baby carrots.
00:09:33
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And I didn't know I was allergic. Until he was an adult that he was allergic to most raw fruit and veggies. That's hilarious. Which kind sucks. imagining you being like, ah don't you guys love how spicy baby carrots are and everything?
00:09:46
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not supposed to like Don't you love it when you eat raw apples and it just you just your throat feels so scratchy? Isn't that so weird? But if I coated in enough caramel, it won't work, right? That's true, actually. That's a scientific fact.
00:10:04
Speaker
You coated it in enough caramel, you can eat apples and not have an allergic reaction. you just don't. or or don't don't go test that. No. Okay. First off, it's just like, it's just a crazy coincidence that I got sick with a sore throat every time I ate fruit.
00:10:24
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Okay. That was just, you get sore throat a lot of it, you know? Mm-hmm. And then the next day you're fine. Somewhere I have a picture Alan after his wisdom teeth surgery.
00:10:40
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I was hanging out with him. What? Yeah. yeah and he's he's he's wearing He's wearing a military winter hat because it had a strap that went around his head. remember that picture. I guess against his face, he had a bunch of ice packs just pressed against his face with this military hat on.
00:11:05
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It straps up up here. Y'all know what I'm talking about. Then you strap it and pull it down here. and Because it's a big old thing, I just shoved ice packs in there and hung it on my face.
00:11:16
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yeah Tried to take Oxy, which actually is like the first time I ever took pain medication, period. I like never took ibuprofen or aspirin before that. I just went straight to Oxy. Wow. I didn't like it.
00:11:29
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Yeah, I didn't take aspirin or ibuprofen for the first time until like I think after college. Yeah. But you know,
00:11:41
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It was all that snake will. Pain and just think there's nothing you can do about it. Is that just how you live? I assume so. I assume that's how Alan and Taylor just lived their life. Just soap and care. First off, yeah the pain was just like pain is weakness leaving the body. Write that down. Second, um I did so many physical activities that like I doubt ibuprofen would have done anything like The way life goes is you're just, you do things, you're sore, and then you get up the next morning and you get over it.
00:12:11
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Like... How about like headaches? I didn't... know Headaches were a once a year occurrence. I wasn't a woman. don't get headaches. Wow.
00:12:23
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Wow.
00:12:27
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Alan out here starting reigniting the. like Kick him out. He's out. He's gone. opinion we have here Hi everybody. Thanks for coming back to the show. I'm our new host, Hannah. Alan is going to be no longer with us anymore. He's actually dead. His body's been shoved down a manhole.
00:12:47
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um and Took too many too many payments. To be fair. took too much ibuprofen. I had a conversation earlier today in which I didn't say that because the woman in the conversation said that.
00:13:00
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so um He's just quoting someone. It's fine. yeah I'm just quoting. He's trying to save face here. doesn't mean i won be I'll say worse. oh Please don't. Who wants to trigger? Come on.
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00:13:25
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ah Let's see. Other fun things in this. I forget who said it. um Probably Chris. I think it gave us a little Latin.
00:13:36
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ah Ex nihilo nihil fit. um Which is just nothing comes from nothing.
00:13:47
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Classic Chris. Nihil like Nihilus? at a Yeah, as in nil, as in nothing. Oh, shit. Hey. as damn We should all know Ex Nihilo because in the you know Latin translation, the Vulgate translation of the Bible, Ex Nihilo is like the out of nothing God created everything.
00:14:09
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Nick's just thinking about the jellyfish Pokemon. um Pulling out of nothing. oh pulling it and i thought you were doing a jellyfish for nihilago yeah yeah also that too weird yeah um pokemon got into aliens so yeah we got a conversation with kenzie's dad a little more little oh yeah oh my god we why is kenzie's dad such a badass yeah like where did he come from
00:14:41
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It's not helping the case, of the the theory that Kenzie is artificially created cool parents. ah You cool dad. I 100% was thinking that. I was like, because she's like, didn't know about that. I'm like, Kenzie, you programmed that. What do you mean you didn't know about that? You wrote that code. I was like, cool dad has been shot three times.
00:15:04
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Yeah. That's cool dad. ah Yeah, no, definitely felt I don't know. the The more I'm thinking about it now, the more I'm wondering if maybe we're wrong about them being more on the like her parents were supervillains who were trying to go straight or something like that.
00:15:29
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that be And that's why they're so aloof and like socially awkward because they're also like superheroes and supervillains, but they're like trying to not like Kinsey doesn't know maybe Kinsey while trying to go straight. You know, like, it's kind of a... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:15:43
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They're just trying to be as inobtrusive as possible. and Exactly, exactly. Yeah, exactly. and Or, like, to add to that, right, maybe they're like, ah you know, they were a couple, they were the kind of like low-level supervillains, and the PRT was like, all right, listen, we've got this problematic girl. You guys say you want a shot at redemption.
00:16:04
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If it's you, we want you to rehabilitate. This a girl help her. she wants to be a hero, but she kind of got some issues. Try to help her out, you know? I like that, actually. I still feel like they could be, like, night and fog coded, you know?
00:16:18
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Yeah, yeah. ah would be Not all mentally there. That would be crazy. Although, night fog are a different level of weird. That's true. fifty's Housewife and househusband is... They could be reprogrammed.
00:16:31
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They could, yeah. You know? Cool modern day dad who's been shot three times and used to be in a gang. But now I drive on the minivan. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we all want. Yeah, yeah exactly.
00:16:45
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That's the thing, though. He said he was in a gang. like What if he was in a villain group and then was like, I don't think this is for me anymore. I can see it. What if he's a loyal sniper? We don't know. Oh, my God. What gang? and That's true. like Which one?
00:17:02
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not Not the ABB or Empire 88. I can be pretty sure of that. but Yeah. For reasons. yeah Also, I feel like if they were, like, the reason why they, my reasoning against this, by the way, this is my devil's advocate thought, is that Victoria knows, like, obviously, Victoria doesn't know every cape to have ever existed.
00:17:26
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But I feel like she's had a pretty good, like, finger on the pulse of villains in general. And, like, If they were bigger villains, she might know who they are and potentially like.
00:17:39
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Yeah, that's true. Although she might not know their faces. See, I'm talking myself out of it, even as I'm saying it. Yeah. a Vic makes a good point. Maybe her dad is the real one and Kenzie is the program.
00:17:52
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Have you ever thought about that? Think about it. Siberian situation? Have you ever seen her being born? We have. We've never seen her being born. you ever seen her and her birth in the same room together? That's right. You have.
00:18:07
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True. Oh, love it, but it's so stupid. She would trigger much how like yeah I have a family member who will not be named videotaped the birth of her children.
00:18:19
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ah So like maybe that was Kenzie's trigger was she watched the videotape as a child, like even younger child was like, oh my gosh, that's where babies come from. and my God. You should not film that.
00:18:32
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Yeah. I think there's a home video of my older brother burying his own placenta. um And right there. parents were hippies.
00:18:45
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um Shake him space right now. I was deciding whether or not to go home. Yeah. We're fine. We're done. just...
00:18:56
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you are just Yeah. just It's over. We're done. Nick, you're clipping a little weird or something. So just maybe move your mic bit. You are clipping a smidge.
00:19:07
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It's almost like it's not when it's ducking down, when you're getting quiet, it cuts out completely. So I think you just need to speak more into your mic. but I can do that.
00:19:18
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You sound good when you are. Producer Michael in action, ladies and gentlemen. Yep, yep, yep. You're not sounding good at all times. Otherwise, how are we feeling? Anything else we want to talk about in 7.1 other than and z parents? yeah this bit Yes, it's a bit more in 7.2, but i I like Victoria's new therapist, and I feel like she is so mean to him. yeah Yes.
00:19:48
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Oh, Hannah's muted. No, Hannah's muted. No, no! There we go, Hannah.
00:19:54
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That would have been funnier if we kept it. What were you saying? No, no. What I was saying is is, like, agree. We need to have a whole thing on him because i all of my notes are literally from 7.2 in their conversation. um But we need to talk about something he says here.
00:20:11
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um I'm sorry. he went to a wedding with Miss Yamada? Not their wedding, Hannah. No, not their wedding. Yeah, but it's like a date situation, right?
00:20:24
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It's like a date situation. And he's like, yes, I went with her to a wedding. as a friend. We're like, uh-huh.
00:20:36
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Every ship is possible. If anybody deserves to get some. Michael, play the clip. No, we don't need it. No, no, no. Whole thing. We don't have time. We don't have time. I'm sorry, we don't have time when we're already. Every ship is possible. You you have ah a bay.
00:20:52
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full of these ships and they any one of them could set sail. Now, are some of these even boats? No, they're not even in then in the water. This one, for instance, ah this one, the thirst trapping isn't even technically for Taylor.
00:21:10
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It's for the people who are shipping these people. yeah thats That's right. i got That's why i'm here. And let that be a lesson to all of you.
00:21:22
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I gotta pee. I did get the sense that... I'm sorry. i I didn't get the sense... I can't speak tonight.
00:21:32
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I felt like there was a lack of urgency in trying to, you know, figure out what happened to Miss Yamada. Like, they're all sad, but it did feel like they had have already accepted no worst-case scenario.
00:21:45
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean... Yeah, the portals are just a mis... I do feel like there's a lack of urgent portal. Almost like... Oh, crap. A quarter of the city blew up.
00:21:57
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There's portals. What do we do? We can't go... Maybe they can't go in them. Maybe they're not like, you know... Yeah, it could be. They can't go in or out. yeah I mean, is this the chapter where Victoria says that like, oh, well, there's two options. Either they were torn apart or they're in some other space with like Nilbog and Slaughterhouse-Nine members.
00:22:19
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But I'm sure it's fine. Like, okay, both options bad. But like, do we not have a cape that can like... see through dimensions or something and just check like the fact that this is all just like shrug like no no think her name is labyrinth and i think she's mia yeah yeah where's she was in the portal she's gone either yeah yeah no for real uh yeah yeah i'm uh yeah curious to see what the development is on that because like
00:22:56
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like you know conventional rules of storytelling. If there's no body, then we know were we're not sure yet. But also, this is Wildbo, and he tends to write very literally, and if the center of town exploded, you can kind of assume that anyone there died. The center of town exploded, and then was dead. Yeah, so... Yeah.
00:23:15
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I'm curious. i i still I'm still going to hold to my theory that it's a cooperation between the Fallen and the Religious Earth Sea. Um... And, yeah. i think I think that'll be what we do. Oh, yeah, Doormaker as well. Doormaker.
00:23:34
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know Isn't Doormaker... I thought he died. I thought Taylor... Didn't he have a heart attack? Yeah, didn't he? He used him up. Yeah. Because then she had to switch to using the combination of of of Labyrinth and... I forget well.
00:23:53
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after a Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah doormaker may have gotten hit by scion as well may not have he got used up as well as getting heated by scion perhaps i think i don't remember poor guy he deserved better he did he deserved way better the poor guy poor guy he went through a lot yeah yeah um yeah then we have rain and ashley at their tribunal in this case it's just rain's tribunal um yeah i did think it was funny that they censored his And i I don't know if that was so much to protect him or if it was like like to protect his identity, but more just to avoid the prejudice.
00:24:33
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If they're like, you know, because like names hold a lot of weight. And if all these people who already hate Rain are like, yes, the same as Rain of Fire. It's oh, well, obviously. Yeah. Yeah. Bernard says in chat, Glycig, Glycig Wenye killed Doormaker and got his power. so Ooh.
00:24:50
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That's right. Okay, so then Glastig can just kind of back up the door and figure it out. Come on. Oh, that's right, Valkyrie. Wait, no, wait. Wasn't Valkyrie there in the city center, like where Nilbog was? And, um... Ooh, she might have Bonesaw?
00:25:06
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Aren't they all kind of in the same space, having eyes watching them? would bet to get a bunch of... Is that what our interludes are about to be? Oh my gosh. You know. good Could be. Eclipse does sound a I think you're on it actually.
00:25:20
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Eclipse. The eclipsing worlds. Yeah. Yes. Oh my God. That's it. We're on to you. We can end the podcast now. Wild Bo. You can only fool us for so many words. Fool me once.
00:25:35
Speaker
Shame on me. Fool me twice. It's bound to happen. On the four millionth word. We've got them. Four millionth. <unk> We like get them once. We figured out once out of like 8 billion times and we're like, take that.
00:25:50
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John. Yeah. First try. First try.
00:25:58
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Yeah. What do you think of the tribunal? Those were, that's kind of an interesting ah system. I get it. But all I can think of is that kid on the tribunal who's like, and spoiler alert, it's pretty heinous dog.
00:26:10
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It's like, geez. who let the fetus on here ah yeah us stole and Give your testimony, dude.
00:26:25
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And they were just like, they' were just deciding whether or not it should go to trial. is That's what I was understanding, right? Yeah. Which as far as I know is like, what is that called? um In the real world?
00:26:37
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like Yeah. and yeah and there' Yeah. I forget what it's called, but yeah, there's, a we have, we have a friend that did basically all summer as an intern. ah Their job was to go up and be like, this isn't worth, like, this isn't worth trying. Like you don't really need to make the do this.
00:26:57
Speaker
This, this is a little bit different though, because it feels like it's less like that's more, you know, trying to come to an agreement prior to trial to avoid going to trial. Right?
00:27:07
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This is more like you did something wrong. Is it worth the time of the court or should we... We're just going to lock you in a hole somewhere. We're just going to put you in a jail somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and You're right. It is like the opposite. Like, is this so heinous we don't even need to try it or is this something worth our time?
00:27:27
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As opposed to a lot of those other pre-trial stuff. I don't remember what they're called. Hearings, I guess, also. ah is like, does this person need to be, you know, given no bail, ah you know, and sent to jail, you know, or can they just be out and about and then they'll show up for the actual trial? Yeah. yeah Stuff like that. Yeah.
00:27:52
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and And like, did we have a deal beforehand? So like, hey, did you and the prosecution already talk? And if so, do we even need to do this? Yeah.
00:28:05
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Very interesting. Yeah. Yeah. um Because a lot of those cases are specifically like, oh, yeah, they take care of their like family member at home. So like they need to not be in jail waiting at trial.
00:28:18
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Yeah. they can the Basically, you do still have bail, but bail is put a lot lower. And it's like... It's lower so you can trying to negotiate for bail by... Right, exactly. Exactly what's happening here.
00:28:30
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By having character witnesses come up, talking about how they are in their community and all that jazz. In this case, though, it's like, hey, do we stick him in a hole or do we go to trial?
00:28:42
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, which sucks. I did think it was interesting um
00:28:49
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having the one person who came up and was like, after everything I've heard, who is a kid too, which I thought was, and I thought this was well-written scene though, of just the kid who was like, Hey, everything I've heard, basically this all just sucks.
00:29:05
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Let's just move on, forgive each other and try to forget it happened. The girl, grand the the the girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that's it's yeah It's amazing how the kid is the only one who's willing to forgive and be the adult in the situation. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Because it is a it is a case, you know, of um somebody who was in a you know, lose-lose situation where if he opened the door, he gets beaten. If he holds the door, he gets beaten.
00:29:41
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If yeah He's under the influence of superpowers. Under the influence of cult thinking, which is very powerful. and yeah you know Yeah. But I also get it. like He did a bad thing. Right. And he wants to be punished for it, so I kind of get that too.
00:30:00
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yeah Yeah, and that's a big part of it. Yeah. And this is one of those things where like, is this... And I mean, this is a consideration that a lot of stuff should be had, you know, nowadays, I think.
00:30:12
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But like, is putting this guy who's clearly, you know, repentant and all of that. And even if it's like, ah you know, to whatever degree, is it worth the resources to put this person in a, like in a cell somewhere?
00:30:28
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Or is it more beneficial just to let them go because we have so many more bigger fish to fry? Well, I mean, I think it's here. i think it's in this chapter where pretty sure it's in this chapter. It might be later where the lady says one of the ladies who's on the tribunal says like we're in dire need for heroes right now.
00:30:47
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and There's this discussion of like, well, he's, you know, obviously there's been bad shit that went down. And the truth of what happened at the mall is, you know, finally coming to bear. And we're we're dealing with that now, especially on the heels of him killing what's his face.
00:31:02
Speaker
I, it,
00:31:05
Speaker
um it just it i mean i think she has a lot ah like she's she has her head in the right space of of well we need heroes because we do we really do but i also appreciate that rain is willing to accept the consequences whatever they may be and she even said i can't remember who it is who says it on on the panel or the the jury whatever says um Well, you have people who are hunting you down.
00:31:30
Speaker
Is incarceration just a way for you to like be protected? And Rain's like, no, because it's probably even easier for them to get me if I'm in a jail jail cell somewhere because I can't you know wash my back and I can't run and I don't have my friends there to protect me.
00:31:45
Speaker
so like going into prison isn't like trying to find a way out of my current situation. It's me trying to accept the consequences of what I've done and make amends with that, not just with the people and the justice system, but also with himself.
00:32:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. couple of thoughts in chat. um Can we, from Bernard, can we talk about how rain behaved as compared with Swan Song or Red Queen? We haven't seen Ashley's tribunal yet.
00:32:16
Speaker
So we can compare it to that one, but we have seen a couple of other trials. ah Briefly, mean it was described that we saw Amy's and and the yeah, Canary's is the... ah um Amy's is described solely as the... yeah like Just kind of how she reacted of like, yeah, I did something wrong. Take me to jail. I want i want to go to the birdcage, which I thought was interesting.
00:32:39
Speaker
In a way, kind of very similar terrain. And yet... obviously we haven't seen Rain post punishment, so to speak, but Rain already feels much more genuine than Amy.
00:32:52
Speaker
Amy's almost like, I don't want to go to the birdcage, but I'm afraid of what I'll do if I don't. Whereas Rain is like, no, I've done bad things. I have consequences for the bad things I've done.
00:33:02
Speaker
Yeah, please. camean That it was an elephant would be more genuine than yeah Amy saying that she was like repentant. I mean, well, Amy, everything Amy's ever done has always been so selfish. And even by her saying to go to the birdcage, it feels so selfish because she knows her dad's there.
00:33:19
Speaker
Like she knows she will have his protection. And in this weird, very selfish way, she does she wouldn't have to interact with Victoria, interact with any of the problems that she has created.
00:33:32
Speaker
it it feels incredibly selfish. While Rain is like recognizing, what and even him sitting there while these people around him in the courtroom are yelling and screaming and cursing him out. like you know He has some humility about it and some like...
00:33:50
Speaker
ah what's the word? um Penitentness? I don't know what that word would be. more penit penitent rep pen Penitent. Yeah, repentant. like he's he's He knows that these are the consequences and he's willing to do whatever needs to be done. like He's very like...
00:34:09
Speaker
Open to like, I know what needs to happen and I'm OK with it. As opposed to Amy, like it even feels demanding, like put me in the birdcage. Like, OK, whatever. Anyways, i just fucking hate Well, yeah, obviously. And no, yeah, definitely not fixing any of the problems that she created, not not addressing any of the issues that she's made.
00:34:32
Speaker
um leaving Victoria the way she was all yes fucked up in brain and body. So yeah, it's it's ah very different. Canaries is like sad and accepting. What's interesting though how we do see a bit of legal progression, I guess, in a sense, even though you know Earth Gimel is... There's you know and there's a
00:34:57
Speaker
even though it's in this post-apocalyptic state, you know, with Canary's trial, we saw the judge saying like, we don't really have a lot of precedent for cases with powers because we don't exactly understand how they work or where the law should draw the line.
00:35:11
Speaker
It's obviously you didn't intentionally tell your ex-boyfriend to go fuck himself and die as a result. But, you know, that happened. One of my favorite uses of the power. Yeah.
00:35:23
Speaker
So good. ah Totally deserved it. Yeah. Yeah. um And so it's just kind of interesting to kind of see, I guess, a little bit of progression. Not much, but just in the sense of we understand you have powers.
00:35:37
Speaker
We understand that there are people with powers hunting you. Let's discuss the ramifications of that. um And they even include that in the play of whether or not it should go to trial. It's like, we're under the influence of powers.
00:35:49
Speaker
How should that affect our view of you? Yeah.
00:35:55
Speaker
Yeah, so interesting. Interesting progressions there, I think, as opposed to, it's like, wow, you did do that to him. So powers are no, you're, you know. Yeah.
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah. I loved when he um when he called the girl's friends by name. Yeah. And was like he like, you know, how do you know that? I see him every night. Oh, that hurt. Yeah.
00:36:17
Speaker
Because he says it twice. He says, I see it every night in my dreams. And it feels very like... Well, yeah, okay. And the second time he says it, it has so much more weight because like we all know that he is re-experiencing those memories literally constantly every night. He cannot escape them. and But they don't know that.
00:36:39
Speaker
And like they don't know what kind of hell that is going through that every single night. You cannot stop it. You can't just stay up and not sleep. like Your body's going to take you there and you're going to have to relive it anyways.
00:36:52
Speaker
And The fact that he knows like he has their faces memorized. like Of course he does. you know How can you not seeing them every day for I don't know how long it's been. Yeah.
00:37:10
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker
Well, 7.2? Yeah, that is... yeah follow I was going to say, do we want to talk at all about her conversation with Dr. Darnell?
00:37:26
Speaker
mean, most of that happens in 7.2. Is there anything in 7.1? I was going to say, isn't 7.2 where everything They meet in 7.1, but then they actually sit down and have their first session in 7.2. Gotcha, because I have 7.2 as having them say, like the guy says, spoiler and stuff.
00:37:47
Speaker
but You know what? We kind of did jump into 7.2. I guess we did. We did kind of jump into 7.2. All my notes for 7.2 were just about her and her therapy sessions. So, you know, things bleed together. I think it's fine. because was going to say, I'm pretty sure the trial... Oh, yeah. 7.2. Yeah, 7.2. Yeah, yeah. We can do a real quick summary for 7.2 as trial hits a recess.
00:38:09
Speaker
yeah yeah we can do a real quick summary for seven point two then is trial hits a recess Victoria meets with her new therapist. She explains what to expect with capes. Rain has a lot of people against him and one person for him. So we did kind of jump in as a girl in support. But what about, yeah, meeting with the therapist, Dr. Darnell, we can talk about that.
00:38:30
Speaker
oh
00:38:34
Speaker
I said, like i my top note for this is feeling conflicted about the session, which probably means it's a good thing. Hmm. I get the sense that Wild Bo either does a lot of good research or has worked with therapists before because he writes them very well.
00:38:51
Speaker
I think so too. And I really appreciated that this this new guy didn't feel like a replacement or an antagonist or like only Yamada understands them.
00:39:04
Speaker
Nobody else can. Like he's just another therapist doing his best. And yeah yeah, I kind of like i all I can think of is there's this tweet.
00:39:15
Speaker
There's this tweet that became a meme of like, guys, today I said something so dark and shocking to my therapist sat in silence. I'm getting close to winning therapy. I can feel it.
00:39:28
Speaker
Yeah. And that kind of felt like what Victoria was doing. She's like, no, no, it does. and I need to beat him. Yeah. and you but to Destroy this man emotionally.
00:39:40
Speaker
Like from her perspective, because that's where we're getting it from. I get it. Like he does feel like a fish out of water almost in this situation. Like, yes, he's done therapy.
00:39:53
Speaker
but he is slightly out of his depth. So, and it's one of those things where like, this is the equivalent of like a therapist trying to do basic therapy on another therapist almost.
00:40:14
Speaker
And there are special people for that. Like there are specifically therapists who are trained to deal with other therapists to give them therapy. And like, yeah, this is one of those like kind of feels like better help, you know, level of like,
00:40:31
Speaker
yeah It's their first meeting. i get it. But she'd heard all of this before. She doesn't want to deal with this bullshit. She wants somebody because she values expertise.
00:40:45
Speaker
She really values her own expertise. She valued Miss Yamada's expertise when it came to parahumans. And this guy doesn't have that.
00:40:55
Speaker
And he... he kind of starts to get that and appeals to the expertise of like, I've worked with other heroes, people who do put themselves on the line, like you do, you know, firefighters and such.
00:41:10
Speaker
So like, he's trying so hard and she doesn't give him any leeway for the small things that I think he's know like not perfect on.
00:41:23
Speaker
And, but but the way it's written definitely makes it feel like Yeah, like it's a competition and like, I don't know.
00:41:34
Speaker
No. Yeah, I mean... I get it, though. um The idea of of wanting to shock him, ah put him off of his game, and to like hit hit him with the the truth of it and be like, it was yeah, it was bad. Let me explain to you how fucking bad it was. And like she she says she has this one comment where she talks about, yeah,
00:42:00
Speaker
ah every like He's talking about like, oh well, you know everyone is unique though. like Everyone's unique to their own troubles and their own problems. but being But that being said, capes are also so distinctly different. And my note here says, even though Victoria says it isn't elite about elitism, it absolutely is. There's a certain amount of responsibility and consequence that she says Jessica Yamada understood.
00:42:25
Speaker
And I also think that the same goes for anyone who's wearing a uniform or who stands in a place of power. You're looked up to, you're feared, you have all this power and you have the responsibility of using it, you know, well. And when things go badly, it's like, you know, the higher you are, the you know, the the farther the fall in the same way. But like, I don't know. I,
00:42:46
Speaker
It's funny because when Victoria is like feeling these emotions of like, I'm getting frustrated with him. I'm wanting to challenge his mentality, like his, you know, his understanding of like how bad things were for me, because, you know, he's just going off what he hasn't of her, you know, file wise like, what's in her file. What does he know on paper about her at this, this thought of like, you don't get it because you don't like you weren't there.
00:43:13
Speaker
Miss Yamada was there, she saw it, she saw me in my worst place. And the the frustration that she had, was so funny reading this because I was totally with her and then also totally with him. like They are both in this space and that's why i was I was so conflicted because I wasn't totally on her side or totally on his side.
00:43:35
Speaker
that That moment where she just is like you know says it all out error It hits so hard.
00:43:46
Speaker
And we're going to get to her description in a second because we get a lot. She tells us a lot of information. But this is like I've been there. I've been in a session with a therapist.
00:43:59
Speaker
trying to explain something and being like, you don't like, I'm trying to tell you and you're nodding, but you're not getting it like, I know you're not getting what I'm trying to say. And i I feel like I have to go to an extreme to get you to understand what I'm trying to say.
00:44:15
Speaker
And it's like, it's not until, you you you finally hit something, ah you know someone, they sit back and it's like, oh, finally, okay, good. now we're Now we can start somewhere because you understand where i'm what I'm trying to say here.
00:44:30
Speaker
And like, holy shit, that hit hard.
00:44:37
Speaker
well Yeah. And I think, I think it's, you know, if, if you've ever gone through trying to find the right therapist, doing session one, like three or four times, really difficult. ah worse And, and having, I can understand with Victoria, there's a bit of time limit to it, right? She's like, I don't have time to sit down. We get to know you slowly unravel my problem.
00:45:03
Speaker
I just want to dump it all out on the table. can as we have time for. And Ms. Yamada understood that because she knows she's busy. I'm busy. Life is tough. um I don't have time, Dr. Darnell. You're very nice, but I don't have time to to slowly warm you up and do life. and so You're clipping on a lot, Nick.
00:45:24
Speaker
Am I? Uh-oh. wonder if it's an internet thing. I think it is a lag slash computer slash internet thing probably on his end. i'll I'll turn off the YouTube chat. Maybe that'll help.
00:45:37
Speaker
Maybe you should ingest the mic. And I will pick everything. All. forget and most of Most of what you're saying.
00:45:48
Speaker
But yeah, just this idea of, you know, you're you want to... you don't She doesn't have the time and they'll sit and slowly unravel her problems. She needs to have somebody who understands deeply and...
00:46:02
Speaker
can get right into it and get into the mess of it or is too scared to challenge it and walks away. And that's what she needs to know from ah from session one. um she She doesn't have the luxury of waiting for session find out you're not a good fit for I'll find a new therapist.
00:46:18
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. yeah And I think there is a ah saw a point that ah she does bring up when talking to him is like, ah you know, these this group needs therapy.
00:46:31
Speaker
not just because for their own sake of like, this is something that's mentally healthy for them, yada, yada. But like they pose, a somebody here poses a real danger that Miss Yamada was worried about.
00:46:52
Speaker
And the chances are whatever goes on with them, Shane reacts into this group and like ah potentially you know, the the results of whatever this fall, you know, this this chain reaction within this group leads to something nuclear. Like, ah you know, another portal opening situation, you know, but because of somebody in this therapy group.
00:47:21
Speaker
And so, like, it's beyond, like, well, every person's special and different has their own unique things to... Like, this is an actual, like, societal danger um that you should be worried about. Like, it's it's the idea that, you know, you want to treat people like people, but also you need to kind of treat these people like bombs.
00:47:46
Speaker
Yes. yeah Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, a normal person has a bad day, you know, they start drinking again, you know, they accidentally...
00:47:58
Speaker
drive a car into somebody else. Like, these people have a bad day. They kill a lot of people. Like, I'll go Sveta. Sveta has a bad day, you know, her one bad day.
00:48:11
Speaker
She's on a light post and she just snaps everybody in the, like, crosswalk's neck. Like, yeah you know. and then And then she spirals from there.
00:48:24
Speaker
Like, right it's, it's, yeah it's Yeah. Yeah. Because all of these characters would have a domino effect with whatever it is that happens. Like if they were to snap the crash out, there would be a domino effect with them and with the rest of the group. Like we saw it a little bit with Swan Song or with, um,
00:48:47
Speaker
damsel, ah that that, you know, she kind of lost it and everyone went, okay. And I think she handled it the best way that she could by going, turning herself in to Gilpatrick, staying out of the fighting as best she could. Like, and I i mean, I think that was best case scenario in terms of, and and yeah the team is breaking up, you know, after that situation. So like,
00:49:16
Speaker
If that's the best case scenario, what are we looking at for worst case scenario here? Yeah. um We've kind of seen some worst case scenarios, so we know what those are like. We have. We really have.
00:49:28
Speaker
ah
00:49:31
Speaker
And then we ah we get to Not So Certain's question. ah Do you think Victoria wants help right now? No. I think her unreliable narrator side she doesn't actually want help.
00:49:47
Speaker
She's going to pretend like she does because Jessica told her to go get some and to talk to somebody. But I think i think that's part of this gold as well as almost... It's sort of that... It's a bad comparison maybe, but you know that that stupid trope of like the girl who's like, well, I'm going to totally ignore this guy. And if he really loves me, he'll keep pursuing me.
00:50:09
Speaker
is scott and like And then she's like... Why am I alone? Why am I alone? And, ah you know, yeah yeah it is like with Victoria, it's like, I'm going to shock this therapist so bad and see if he wants to help me.
00:50:24
Speaker
And then a year down the line, she's like, why, why will no therapist work with me? you know You know, i don't know. i Maybe there's a bit of I think it, I think it's definitely that.
00:50:36
Speaker
I mean, because I think this goes back to something one of you guys said two weeks ago or or last ah podcast session um about how, you know, we were talking about all which which of the which of the group is like the problem kid that Yamada was worried about, yada, yada.
00:50:55
Speaker
And then maybe it's none of them. Maybe was actually Victoria that she was worried about and brought her in to sort of help... therapy you know therapy her through this group and sort of kind of doing it in a kind of a roundabout way. And I think about that lot. Telling her to get an animal so that she can take care of it. Exactly.
00:51:16
Speaker
Exactly. exactly yeah I think about that a lot. Yeah, where she's she's and obviously obviously in desperate need of therapy and ah doesn't think she needs it, but it clearly does. But puts on the facade that like, oh yeah, sure, all you go to therapy for Yamada's sake and all of that.
00:51:36
Speaker
But yeah no, i think you kind of I think you're right on the money. 7.3? I want continue on something else. 7.2 you wanted to say oh yeah oh yeah all right um ah i think i've said this before my my notes are always just bullet points my bullet points are as follows oh my god holy shit am i even human anymore as close and then the quote as close to normal as she could
00:52:13
Speaker
shock and awe to make her point that my experience is nowhere near as bad as anyone else's. And it gutted me too. And we need to talk about what that, what, what Victoria's questioning here of, is she even human anymore?
00:52:31
Speaker
I feel like we need to talk about this for a little bit. so we knew, i mean, knew, I'll say me. I knew like factually, because I've read it,
00:52:43
Speaker
that that Amy freaking dumpster dove to build up whatever the fuck cocoon she made for Victoria. Mm-hmm.
00:52:55
Speaker
Stray cats, rats, bugs.
00:53:02
Speaker
Sorry.
00:53:07
Speaker
But for Victoria to be so aware of it, no... Amy to literally be telling her this as she's, you know, fixing her face or whatever.
00:53:24
Speaker
And for Victoria to wonder if she can even be a donor because she doesn't even... am I even human anymore? Like, to feel so removed.
00:53:39
Speaker
and And so much of this has been...
00:53:43
Speaker
So much of this award has been her feeling, trying to feel normal again or feel herself and trying to understand what that means and fighting with the wretch and fighting with this this like image of who she used to be. and And even with the way that the wretch and her her ah force field works of it, like it includes what you think of as yourself. the The fact that the wretch is still there means that in Victoria's mind, she still is the wretch. She isn't Human anymore.
00:54:12
Speaker
And here.
00:54:15
Speaker
More so than ever. Victoria does not. It's clear to me. Or sort of clear. Victoria does not see herself as human. And she's.
00:54:28
Speaker
It feels like she's just. Desperately pretending. And. That is like.
00:54:38
Speaker
So.
00:54:41
Speaker
So raw of a moment there. it just, oh man. It just fucking killed me. And I have a note here, my last note about this.
00:54:52
Speaker
It makes me think that maybe the only person who might have understood Victoria was Noel.
00:55:00
Speaker
Of this idea of being once human and being turned into this monstrous thing that you have no control over. You have no real
00:55:12
Speaker
autonomy anymore and
00:55:19
Speaker
that like the story ends differently for Victoria obviously the Victoria at least appears human like that idea of yeah appearances versus how you see yourself Definitely parallels. one and One of the central themes of Warden I think we've talked about has been identity, right? We've talked about the that question as well in relation to how shards interact with people and what is me and what is the piece of the entity inside of me? but is and you know Was I always this angry or is something inside of me?
00:55:59
Speaker
As we saw with Snag and his sort of realization as he's dying, like, oh... I can finally let go of this. What if, you know, that was his shard dying first and then he finally could feel clearly again.
00:56:11
Speaker
um And so, yeah, that that whole theme of identity and who am i what am I, what is me, um and is this really me causing this or is that something outside of me forcing me do it?
00:56:24
Speaker
um And that all sort of comes into play deeply here with Victoria, like you said, yeah. It's a very... very heavy, tragic thing um that we finally get to see her more openly admit, um both feeling monstrous, I think, both in in body, but also in emotion as well.
00:56:46
Speaker
um Probably there's a ah lack of trust of her own emotion. Amy tells her, hey, I fixed your feelings, you're fine, but who's to say if like she has romantic feelings for somebody, how does she know that those are genuine and not going to become problematic?
00:57:01
Speaker
um Yeah. You know, who's to say if she actually sees Amy again face to face, what could happen? Obviously there's anger from what she did, but is there also something else there lurking beneath the surface that Amy never really fit? You know, it's all these questions about what's controlling you. Who are you? What are you?
00:57:19
Speaker
That I think are really and poignantly written here. Yeah. Like you said, good thought. As ah Fran points out,
00:57:30
Speaker
and Not even Sveta. I was thinking about this. The Case 53s are like kind of close to that. um you know But even Sveta can't fully relate because Sveta doesn't really remember life before 50, being a Case 53. It's sort of a perpetual thing for her. And it is still dealing with the fact that she knows in theory that she was human and that there was something taken away from her.
00:57:57
Speaker
And it's a very real feeling, but for sorry, I'm reading chat and doing this at the same time. For Victoria, she was human and then also the shard that her para-human.
00:58:12
Speaker
she she was human and then you know also has the the the the you know that did this shard that makes her parahuman Um, but then her body gets scrambled with you for everything.
00:58:31
Speaker
And we, and like Nick was talking about, not only are we talking about self, but we were also talking about, you know, um, self in terms of autonomy. And, and I think of, uh, just volition, you know, will, um, who, what what's pulling the strings.
00:58:47
Speaker
And at one point in time, you know, it was Amy pulling the strings. It's her mom pulling the strings on her life. It's, um, You know, it now it's ah all the people that were taking care of her kind of making all the decisions for her when she was when she was the wretch.
00:59:05
Speaker
um Decisions are being made over her head that she, you know, that to to get her ousted from her nice job that she had in the beginning of the story. um Like those are decisions made outside of her.
00:59:18
Speaker
ah and And then we get to, um you know, just thinking like all the things like, are are her actions, her actions, are they part of the shard?
00:59:30
Speaker
Are they part of the wretch? Does it, you know, how does that work? You know, in this in between between shard and her, um, you know, what's making the decisions, who's making the decisions.
00:59:42
Speaker
And I realized there's a lot of just talking about what Nick already said, but, um, I, you know, I thinking about that, her, what makes herself, um,
00:59:55
Speaker
and right now we're addressing physiology, what, you know, makes up her DNA. Right. Um, like I said, you know, her, her mother, you know, is also this weird social sphere of things that make up her.
01:00:14
Speaker
And she's trying to distance herself a little bit from that. Um, you know, and her dad and her cousin, like all of those make up her social surroundings.
01:00:27
Speaker
And those are also in such flux. Um, you know, this team that she was just starting with kind of falling apart, like, you know, in that regards, uh, you know, you always have this, there's the saying who you hang around with, you know, and the next five years, you're going to be like the medium point of all of those people.
01:00:48
Speaker
And,
01:00:51
Speaker
she doesn't even have that. she Like she's kind of, she is socially kind of in wretch mode. And I, it also makes me think about how you get treated in terms of like case 53 has always got the raw end of the deal and pair humans are obviously not on the popular side, particularly right now.
01:01:12
Speaker
And, you know, we start off the story with her being put in a no win situation and losing her job and, you know, because of her ability, you know, who she is.
01:01:27
Speaker
And I've got to imagine that that field that just cascades into one another with the, like, I'm already a monster. I can't even get a real job because of what I am.
01:01:40
Speaker
like I can't even have that. Um, I can't go to school, you know, I want to go to school, but I can't, uh,
01:01:51
Speaker
Yeah. She's just, for all her super strength, it feels like she's got the world on her shoulders just with everything stacked against her. Yeah. Yeah. two but Two last thoughts on it. ah First, it all comes back to the ship of Theseus. All these great philosophers philosophical conversations about identity.
01:02:07
Speaker
Yeah. um It was a great comparison, especially literally with her um Ship of Theseus, if anyone, very quickly, if nobody doesn't, yes, every ship. Is that when Theseus can be shipped with anybody else in the store? Exactly, yeah. Okay, that's what I was thinking.
01:02:23
Speaker
Yes, the Ship of Theseus. If you don't know what it is, look it up. It's a really interesting mind, just, like, thought. um But then also, like, all this conversation had Taylor and Victoria met under different, you know, to paraphrase Aang from Avatar,
01:02:40
Speaker
If Victoria and Taylor had met under different circumstances, I bet they could In the sense of relating on stuff like post-Goldmourning Victoria and pre-Capri Taylor.
01:02:56
Speaker
I think just the whole thing of like I want to do the right thing. Nobody's helping me do the right thing. Victoria on one hand is like, well I'm going to try to abide by the law. Taylor's like, well, fuck the police. I'm going to do it my own way.
01:03:10
Speaker
But I think they have a lot of similar thoughts about like not feeling not jaed and you know not having an identity. um Yeah. And they're also both probably blind to a little bit unreliable as a narrator and a bit blind to how much value they actually have. so Yeah, I think so. um Yeah.
01:03:30
Speaker
Yeah. Good. Good section. Yeah. i was In all of this, I think it's really interesting how similar or our how everybody in that in this therapy group they're all dealing with this sort of absence of autonomy in different ways.
01:03:46
Speaker
Like Ashley being a clone, she's not the true self. Tristan and Byron are no longer individuals. Sveta doesn't have a body. ah Rain dealing with ah the fallen being in his mind literally at all times.
01:04:01
Speaker
And so, and like Chris, ah backstory unknown, but power suggests that there's some sort of disconnect between his emotional state and himself.
01:04:12
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And then who knows? His body's literally falling apart sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And Kenzie's not real. So, you know. but Kenzie sees the world. I mean, Kenzie sees the world through a lens.
01:04:25
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Yeah. You know? All very, very similar in their in their traumas. It's kind of interesting. Oh, man. Wild Boat does it again. What a group.
01:04:39
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I don't know if Hannah crying is a square in Bingo tonight, but it definitely hit that one, I think. bro Hannah crying on the should be the free square. Let's be honest. I cry a lot. Yep.
01:04:53
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ah yeah I'll let you know when we get a bingo. ah seven point three 7.3. 7.3. The group encounters a group of looters.
01:05:04
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Civic descent spreads. The group meets with Ashley, who's probably going to prison. So they help her pack up her apartment, which she offers to Vic.
01:05:16
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i to start this to To go from the front to back of starting this ah therapy session to Chris giving Tristan a hard time for not knowing how to drive. It's like some great emotional whiplash. it Oh, it's so good. it does It does my poor little crying heart good because I need that.
01:05:35
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I need a little bit of a chuckle after bawling my eyes out. so Yeah. ah fire Chris does it again. It's coming through. Yeah, I don't remember liking Chris this much the first couple times I read this. Oh, good. and So funny. I realize now na he's a little shit, but in the best way.
01:05:54
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Also, I love Tristan more and more. Like, I can't I can't help it. yeah I still don't feel that for Tristan, but I'm feeling it for Chris.
01:06:05
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No, Chris's line, and I feel like this this fits you to a T, Alan, sometimes, is a compliments or a supply and demand thing. Give them out for nothing. They're at work.
01:06:16
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Okay. Here's the thing. That is Alan. That is Alan. You used to be more that way. You used to be much more that way. my God. I read that and I was like, did write this? Is Alan in the room with us right now?
01:06:33
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Like, what the hell? Yeah. yeah yeah so Yeah, like definitely, definitely during college time in particular, I was like, if you got it, it was like, and it was it was great because it was one of those things where like, yeah, if you got a compliment from Alan, you're like, wow.
01:06:48
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Thanks, Alan. Okay, no, the first, the day that I knew that Alan and I were like, maybe gonna like have a future as friends was when he was like, it was after Christmas break and we were all on the quad and he like put his arms on he was like, hey, Hannah.
01:07:05
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And I was like, I get a hug from, well, trash hire, but I get a hug from Alan. Like, are you kidding me right now? Because the man didn't give hugs. He only hugs me. Compliments.
01:07:18
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Only hugs me. That's right. Every day. Michael come up and be like, yo, where my hug at? I'm like, sorry, bro. I didn't mean to not. and do you I didn't mean not like you use him to you. let you hang like that.
01:07:31
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Yep. Don't you know, Michael, you just you just walk up to a bro and hug him. You don't need consent for us. Yep. Yeah. You also clipped when you said consent, so it's just... Yeah. It was just so much worse.
01:07:45
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so Also in chat, ah going back a little bit, um Bernard saying that Kenzie is mainly Shard. We did talk about that in a couple previous things about how like yeah when you're younger, um are people who did trigger early, mainly aka Bonesaw, both really struggle with the separation between who they are yeah both and both really struggle with the separation between churchs who they are And who their shard is.
01:08:17
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And ah ah Kenzie doesn't seem to have as much of a problem. ah Fran, to your point. But that is true. Like, the shard does grow with you. Which also, if we think about how Glastigwenye, like, gets shards and why they look like their people, like when she pulls the shadow out, I've got to imagine that that is the equivalent of like the person and the shard have grown together.
01:08:50
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And so there is a lasting like shadow imprint on the shard so that when they die and the shard is removed, it still has,
01:09:02
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person, yeah that like, um personality almost, if you will, because of the person. And in this case, like, I wonder if the younger you are and then you get Glastigwenyade, if that shard has more personality than a person who got it for, like, six months and then died.
01:09:25
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Maybe. Yeah. Interesting thought. Yeah.
01:09:30
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Yeah. um Now, some
01:09:34
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Yeah, it's very interesting. Those poor rioters. Like, I get it. You got no powers. Portals are being bloated up everywhere. yeah You've got so little to live for, I'm sure.
01:09:50
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but man, you just wrong place, wrong time. and Yeah. yeah what What's funny, the irony of that, too, is like, Kinsey's so proud. She's like, we stopped some loot today, and Victoria's like,
01:10:04
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And five ah five other groups got away across as we... you know that's like Yeah. Yeah. yeah they They were just the ones in the wrong place and the at the wrong time. Yeah. I think Victoria, she even says that, right?
01:10:17
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She's like, sorry, guys. It's just luck of the draw. yeah You're here. Yeah. Me and my team happen to be coming by. yeah Yeah. This is another one of those cases where talk about that Ward is much more emotionally driven as a story.
01:10:34
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And it shows why it's important because she rolls up. She has to convince this pet group of people to like leave um and or to not attack or, you know, do whatever.
01:10:50
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And she has the emotion power and the like aura, literal and metaphorical to to be like, hey, i mean there are more of them. But come on, get out of here.
01:11:03
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And, you know, I think, ah you know, somebody throws like a bottle or some brick or something, just kind of bounces off and they're like, oh, shit, yeah we shouldn't have done that. My bad, we'll leave. like yeah and And they very well, like, it would have been so easy for that group to rush them.
01:11:19
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It really would have. But this goes to show, like, ah why um the emotional side of the fight is, like, important. Because,
01:11:30
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yeah as a hero as er you could literally get out and be like, everybody, get the fuck out of here. Listen, you send out you send out the member with the intimidate skill first to cut the attack power of all your defending Pokemon.
01:11:44
Speaker
and you know and yeah and And then it makes it an easier fight. you you know Listen. No, that's crazy. You take your level 83 Blastoise, which is the only Pokemon you've ever leveled up, and you use Hydro Pump every time.
01:12:00
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ah Did you pump your way through the Elite Four, you might say? I did. Thank you very much. ah Look, five-year-old Mead couldn't, for some reason, not even reading the Pokemon instructions, okay?
01:12:11
Speaker
No idea. i used to bop my way blindly through Moonstone Cave. no to no light. No TM light. it Never got flash.
01:12:23
Speaker
oh And I would like just press buttons for 30 minutes and then I was on the other side. Yeah, that's one way to play the game. Who cares about anything but the starter Pokemon?
01:12:34
Speaker
You know? Yeah, exactly. like Vic is asking, how would Taylor handle this situation? Is there a child nearby and a handgun? Where are the bullets?
01:12:46
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More broken bones. Yeah. A lot more. but We know how Taylor handled this. She bit people. She bit people. i but Chomped them. no don't yeah When she first like jumped into her territory and people were getting getting all like rioty. The members of the drug gang.
01:13:07
Speaker
And she just, she fucked him up. but She sent a message. She fucked him up. Hard. That's the thing. That's the way Taylor would handle it though, right? If she didn't win that many people, she'd be like, I'll find the one person who, I guess, the strongest and looks like the leader. and And then everybody else runs. You cut out that last bit. Yeah, you cut out.
01:13:28
Speaker
Everybody else runs. And then she'll... And then everybody else runs. She picks the biggest and baddest. I am wondering, Nick, the only thing that's different is you have ah different filter on your screen.
01:13:44
Speaker
You're blurring your background. He's laundry behind him. He doesn't want us to look at his laundry. And I i do want to do like you do a test later and see if that is actually why. because Later. hello it is it is a I can notice my camera clipping a little bit more times.
01:14:02
Speaker
and It's just my computer, guys. It's on its honest last leg. That's what I mean. Your computer can't handle a the blurry background. Is this where Patreon and and money and gets to go? To buying a new laptop that works? Anything else. Anything better than this.
01:14:17
Speaker
ah Y'all don't even know. It is. Y'all don't even know. i want I want you to know that my computer has been plugged in this entire time. um And you might think, oh, if it's been plugged in, it's probably charged all the way, right? Nope, it's not charging.
01:14:33
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um the The plug maintains the current battery level while I'm recording, guys. It only charges if it's in sleep mode. yeah Yeah, two plus. I was going to also ask that. Nick, can you just turn off your noise suppression so that it's just an open mic?
01:14:48
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I don't think it's that. I think if his if it's visually glitching for him, it's literally a processing issue on how much it is. Because I was going to because I haven't had any visual glitches from Nick.
01:14:59
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I've only had glitching. but if he's seeing them, i mean, yeah. yeah just Yeah. I mean, I see it from you guys as well. out for me. So I'm assuming it's a combination. I love that you flipped in the middle of that. Clipped out in the middle of that explanation. I didn't even hear what it was I didn't even hear what it was. Hey, you know what?
01:15:17
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Yeah. It is what it is. When you do come through, it's loud and clear, so. yeah Yeah. Yeah. When it's working, it's great. Vic, starting with you, get the Brockton Bay Book Club credit card. ah yeah Reminds me of my favorite, the end of the whatever Tunnel Trouble G.I. Joe animated episode in which the Queen of England gives the Joes her so special premium you know platinum card. And ah Scarlet, of course, um goes, well,
01:15:47
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ah I know my favorite cheer after Gojo charge. charge Oh my gosh. That's funny.
01:15:58
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Clever. and Also, also Bernard doesn't use flash either. So you're apparently not alone. ellen And, and you know what? the ah Yes. Uh, and I will say something for, and you know this might not be the case for you, Bernard. i don't want to dissuade that at all.
01:16:13
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But for those of you who know, back in the day on gen one Pokemon, uh, It is a black screen. That is it. There is no indication.
01:16:24
Speaker
There's just you bonking around on a black screen. In later games, there's like a little aura of light that you have. It's still not great, ah but you can see things that are directly in front of you.
01:16:41
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um and And so like, man, I used to just not use flash because I couldn't read. and then later i didn't use flash because I thought it was weakness.
01:16:53
Speaker
Um, Anna's going to strangle herself with her head. I die. Enough. Anyways. Um, to yeah. Okay. So is your laptop a microwave from 2002 asking for two plus?
01:17:08
Speaker
Yes. Uh, yes, it is. Might as well be. Um, Basically, I've had the laptops in late college, which is now going on like 10 years. So... i wait Way to age us, Nick. Thanks.
01:17:23
Speaker
Damn. knew we were old. They didn't know we were that old. Jesus. ah No, I mean, if you can't look at me... There's two bald dudes in here. Yeah, what are you talking about? If you can't look at Jacob's eyes and see the weathered years of watching too many bad movies...
01:17:41
Speaker
Then, you know. Yeah. um yeah So getting to Ashley's apartment. Okay. Speaking of being human, Ashley's got some risque art up in her apartment that I thought was fascinating. I fucking love her apartment so much. And what... So this a weird comparison, but I want you to bear with you were talking about the whole, like, am I human, right? Yeah.
01:18:06
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If you haven't read The Metamorphosis by Kafka, a very weird, short little story about a guy who wakes up and discovers he's turned into a cockroach. um Like a giant.
01:18:17
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He's just a giant cockroach. ah No explanation. It's just, it's there. But it's all about him... trying to hold, grasp his humanity as bits are taken away from him.
01:18:29
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And one of the last things that he, like, before his family takes it away from him that he's, like, holding on to is, like, a a porn magazine, basically. um and And there's almost this feeling of, like...
01:18:42
Speaker
Ashley putting up this art trying to feel something not because she's like I like this and this is my style but like people say this is subversive and interesting okay I'm gonna buy it and put it in my apartment and see if I feel anything yeah I don't know but it also just fits with her too like she's ed she's the ed lord of the group like it's just yeah you know it is what it's great absolutely I love that. I love, I think my favorite piece of artwork, other than the bookshelves, because the bookshelves sound fucking amazing. Love those. ah My favorite piece of artwork is definitely the the horse and rider.
01:19:23
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The horse just ripping off the rider's head, ah guess. Yeah. I so we love that so much. So much.
01:19:34
Speaker
I want that artwork. I don't know where I put it. Not up on my walls, but Is there fan art of the art? Gosh, I hope there is.
01:19:45
Speaker
I hope there is. need to find that. I love all the black, white, and red. like ooh Love it. Alan's a sucker for black, white, and red. Yeah.
01:19:56
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Alan just likes red. no No, not just red. Splashes of red. I'm not a huge red fan. He likes red and purple. red and purple boy okay we've had this discussion first off it red and purple second uh it's it i had to explain this before that red and purple is a color scheme that i came up with as a kid that i would love to have seen on something i knew it was a bad color scheme like it's a really hard to get to work together but as like a life challenge
01:20:31
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I really want to see it succeed in some way. And there are examples out there. I have run into clothing. I'm like, oh my gosh, red and purple. One example, I wear red shorts with just all purple sambas with Rockton Bay Book Club, red and purple.
01:20:48
Speaker
And it's a really great outfit. I love that your background is red and purple right now. like the light she got the solid bisexual lighting back there I love it oh my god like I'll never beat the allegations
01:21:08
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it's true I don't know about contempt your honor but I'd love to be held We got to keep going.
01:21:17
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You have to fill the void with a little something. There's only four chapters. Right? No, it's great. I i love it. For those of you who haven't seen me like for that whole like Your Honor, you weren't even fucking there.
01:21:30
Speaker
Those bits on... Your Honor, you weren't there. so your honor yo Your Honor, where my hug at? Have you seen the this seen the court transcripts? the The lawyer who reads the iconic court transcripts?
01:21:44
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Those are great. Look them up. but They're all over the place. i should Fantastic. yeah They're hilarious. We get probably the first genuinely nice thing that we've seen Ashley do, which is you know give offer Victoria her apartment. ah Not the first, but one of the like first.
01:22:01
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like Out of nowhere, out of the blue. Kind of like, hey, need an apartment? Take mine.
01:22:08
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do yeah The 180 that Ashley's made since the old the old blast ah is very interesting. It's like a completely different character.
01:22:20
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Yeah. um yeah yeah Totally different. just This does feel like Ashley has been for the rest of this time, even on the subway and stuff, in the act mode.
01:22:34
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so like this really does feel like you're saying, like, this is Ashley in the off time, finally. Kind of. um And you know what?
01:22:45
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You know what won me a point with Ashley? ah Maybe above all else. She says something to the effect of, I've committed the Cardinals. I've invited you... packed yet.
01:22:57
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And I'm like, gent dang right. The fill-in what Nick said because he clipped out is I have committed the cardinal sin. I've invited you over to help me move and I haven't even packed yet. Yeah.
01:23:10
Speaker
Let's talk about this for a second. For those of you who if you're ever going to move, it's okay to ask your friends. You're not going to be in imposition on them. They love to help you.
01:23:22
Speaker
However, they In order to do that, you have to do your part, which is pack your shit. Put it in boxes. Label it. You don't have to move it. It can sit in the room as long as you've organized it.
01:23:35
Speaker
I don't know where you want to put your shit before and after. My job is to do the heavy lifting, to put it into the van that I brought, move to your place, and then you're going to unpack all that stuff.
01:23:47
Speaker
Because you know where you want it. how I don't know where you want it. And we're just going to be sitting around twiddling thumbs while you sit on the bed and I go, where does this go? And you go, in that box. I go, cool. Where does this go?
01:24:00
Speaker
You know, we're not playing the sorting game. Do that before they come over. Pack your shit. and so Alan and then I will fly to wherever you are to help you move as long as you pack your shit before we get there.
01:24:13
Speaker
For a price. For a price. you You may notice, I feel like I've ah fingered some trauma here. um Oh, no. no Is that how you're going to phrase it?
01:24:25
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Please don't. If you didn't before, you did now. So thank you. doubt yeah no No problem.
01:24:33
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Also, as Bernard put out, or is is not so certain put out, Magneto colors. Purple and red. ah yes And as we all know, Magneto is absolutely dripped to the fuck out. so And you grew up in Germany.
01:24:48
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Yeah. well What?
01:24:52
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i Oh, he is in purple at run. Let's stop there, Nick. You just jogged an awful memory. Oh, my God. Yeah,
01:25:07
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that's great. Any more in 7.3 before we move to 7.4? Her baller bookshelves, the fact that Chester...
01:25:20
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Jester.
01:25:23
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Jasper? Yeah. Jester. yeah Jester. yes Jester. it's jester yeah jester yeah bur Jester is there. you Love that. there um i love there and he really wants to be there.
01:25:34
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yeah
01:25:38
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Every ship is possible. Okay. Every ship is possible. love it. I love it so much. um I love her tea. all three She brews it correctly. Write that down. Write that down.
01:25:50
Speaker
I love it. I love her tea. I love her cookies. He wants her be the dams in these pants, baby. What? Oh, no. Oh, no. ah egg Oh my God. This is an unhinged podcast episode. I'm not going to lie.
01:26:04
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is why we need to read more so we don't have time to do all this. We don't have time to fuck around. If you like to watch videos of us fucking around, you should become a patron. We've got a lot of us just dicking around having a good time. I'm not going to lie. i have an idea for a video. It's not going to happen next week, but i one you know maybe I'll just record in the off time.
01:26:27
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that I want to record that's just me ranting about what's really been fun to watch recently. Yeah. Fair enough. That's content. I'd watch it. raning That's great.
01:26:40
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Anything else for 7.3? She's got great taste in chocolate. Truly. All right, 7.4. Victoria encounters a protest.
01:26:54
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Runs into Brandish, who thinks teen therapy is still together. Receives a motherly pep talk and much character development shown. This is the short one, kind of wrapping it all up.
01:27:07
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And... Yeah. ah You know, I mean, still not a Carol fan, but at least she is showing progress towards being a better person.
01:27:20
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Yeah, she wasn't a... massive raging bitch. Yeah. Insert derogatory adjective here. Hunt, I believe, is what came to mind for me. so That is what came to mind when I heard Carol. I immediately substituted it for cunt.
01:27:38
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Yeah. um Which makes this all the worse. Yeah. Because. Thank you. Because she's actually talking some good shit.
01:27:50
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And I don't want to give that to her. um yeah i feel conflicted and I don't like it like it when I hate things and I'm right
01:28:04
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don't make Carol a nuanced character John god damn it John sometimes we want our villains give Give me this. Just give me this. Bad is bad. Yeah. but yeah the the The conflict that I feel. Laura Sumbridge didn't get a redemption arc for a reason.
01:28:24
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Exactly. Thank you very much. Oh my gosh. As Fran put, someone pointed out to me on Reddit that New Wave managed to make all of their kids trigger, which is something they succeeded at where even a Heartbreaker failed.
01:28:39
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Oh my God. Wow. Wow. Dang. Damn. What were you going to Family Breaker.
01:28:49
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Oh. Power level Family Breaker 9. that's That's fantastic. Wow. and i was going to say. that right Oh.
01:29:00
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Yeah. No. it's free I feel there's also one earlier. i I feel like when I get character conflict where I'm like, oh, I don't. It's usually good. Like the therapy conversation was phenomenal. Very conflicted. Very not sure whose side because they're both kind of right. They're both kind of wrong. Like loved that conflict. Phenomenal.
01:29:22
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Brandish.
01:29:25
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No, Brandish doesn't get to be the good mom here. She doesn't get, and it upsets me. Here's the thing. This is this so, so obnoxious. John, why do you write characters so well? First, how dare you?
01:29:40
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Second, she's, I don't, I don't, I can't, I cannot read her advice without saying,
01:29:52
Speaker
Just hearing it in this condescending tone. And when Victoria is like, oh, yeah, it's kind of been nice just talking to your mom. I'm like, no, don't fall for it, Victoria. It's a lie. It's a facade. She's a bitch. Like she even says, oh, no, if we're not even getting I'm just going to get angrier. We're not going to.
01:30:13
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now This is one of those cases where um I feel like there's some quantum effect going on where like I had a roommate who ah would suggest things to me and because he suggested them, I would immediately not watch that. I'd be like in my head, we're never going to see that again.
01:30:30
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And then ah later on, somebody else would suggest it. I'd go, oh, that's a great idea. And then I'd go watch it and be like, wow, this is really good. So the show was both terrible because they suggested it and also really good because somebody else suggested it.
01:30:47
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And they existed in that quantum state where it was like both matter and wave at the same time. um and And I think that exists here. we're like ah If immediately she she turns around and Dr. Darnell says verbatim what Carol just said, it's 100% correct. But because Carol said it,
01:31:11
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She's wrong. So what i'm um what i'm what I'm getting is in this chapter, Brandish was a Kenzie projection.
01:31:22
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Yeah. So ah this was this was just a Kenzie projection. We've got to figure out some way. there yeah there yeah There must have been a shifter changer. yeah we were in a breaker stranger ah stranger Stranger protocols in effect.
01:31:36
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yeah choose to ignore that You know what it is? you know what it is it's It's a different personality. She is only called Brandish in this art. Oh my God.
01:31:48
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Brandish ah is a good person. Brandish. I actually do like that take. I like how you're thinking. She likes her mom in her superhero mode more than she likes her mom mode. She said that before. Yeah, she does.
01:32:03
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mean, she says it here. It it in this chapter. But like seeing her mom in this in this you know very hero role is the role where she excels at. This is where she does well.
01:32:15
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And like her little comment to the other ah cape that's there with her when when she's like, oh, don't worry. ah She's been a cape a long time. like its it's It's fun and she's cool and she knows things and she's a great cape and we trust her.
01:32:32
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And it's like, But we don't. Like, we don't. Like, we know that she's not to be trusted. But in this moment, she's brandish. And that somehow, like, yeah it works.
01:32:45
Speaker
No, no that's That's the secret. she When she triggered, she had actually has a breaker state that contains her alternate personality. And that is a good mom.
01:32:55
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and um And that's actually part of its her ability is to give good advice. So... I think from now on, Carol's still a bitch, but Brandish gets a pass as a great hero.
01:33:11
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Brandish? And she'll prove it otherwise. I mean, yeah. i mean friends and She's done a lot of good, so. Yeah. Yeah. Brandish has done a lot of good things. Carol, however. Yeah. Carol's a lawyer.
01:33:25
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Yeah. Carol is a lawyer. I did like it. She was like, so, Mom, you ah prosecuting my friend? Is that you? Oh, cool. You part of that? You part of that, mom? Brandish.
01:33:37
Speaker
We'll just say one nice thing about Brandish in one favor. Brandish has a soul.
01:33:45
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Hannah, you know, say something nice about Brandish. No. I refuse. Brandish, for instance, Brandish a good mom.
01:33:56
Speaker
How about this? How about this? Get fucked. Michael, roll the clip of Alan and Jacob saying Brandish is a... Are you clipped out? Roll the clip, Ben.
01:34:10
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Brandish is... Hold hold on. hold lot Can I guess? Is it Brandish is a MILF? Yeah. Of you and Jacob saying Brandish is a MILF. You have to join the Patreon for that.
01:34:22
Speaker
Oh, here we go. I've already got the meme if I can make it before the patrons do. It's the... the the fucking Drake meme it's the Carol brandish oh my god there you go please tell me everybody wasn't thinking about that like with Eidolon where like in costume it was like Eidolon but it was like out of costume like oh HR no he kind of does look like the guy in the second panel of that comic too yeah he really does poor guy
01:34:57
Speaker
Oh, gosh. I guess. Rest in peace. Yeah. did um I don't think there were any pieces left over. oh no. Oh, my gosh. He said rest in peace, not rest in pieces.
01:35:10
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I don't even think there was that. I think there's nothing of matter left. There's nothing left. just rest I'd like to believe that in this world there's so much like ah parallel universes and whatever. They don't need heaven and hell. They're just like, yeah, man, it's too complicated complicated here.
01:35:28
Speaker
When you die, you finally get to like not exist anymore because holy shit we has i bokered as if that wouldn't give wild bow a chance to systematize heaven and hell and the rest of the afterlife he's got it written out like he's got been and he has the correct version of heaven too it's one of those like oh the correct answer was actually mormonism like yeah he has that all plotted out but we nobody in the universe knows it's like right acting sleep I can see that. Sleeper already has his own planet.
01:36:01
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so in the I keep thinking of the pilot episode of the Twilight thing where we start looking back and we realize like turns out John Sizzle McCrizzle is actually very Mormon.
01:36:14
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It's all Mormon code. What were you saying, Jacob? yeah Just in in the pilot episode, they get a place where they're like like is this like, were we right about heaven and hell? I mean, everybody was a little close. Nobody really got it except for, forget the kid's name. it' like Except for Fred, who got 98% of heaven correct when he got super stoned one night.
01:36:33
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It's like that's Wild Bo. Everyone's like, except for one guy, Wild Bo. Nailed it. John. John just got it, man. I love how we've been just throwing casually but the big J out.
01:36:48
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Look, here's the thing. know his name. He's also, look, he knows. John, you know. You have a free spot on this podcast anytime. In fact, we would love it if you ever wanted to, you know.
01:37:04
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We'll give it to you. We'll step out. We don't even have to talk. know i I'll give this right now, and I've said it before. We don't even have to talk about any of this bullshit. We just want to talk about writing. ah well Yeah.
01:37:15
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Listen and your opinions on writing and media. We'd love to pick your brain about characters. No, no, no. I just want to talk about what makes a good villain. And I want to hear you talk for an hour or two or five about what makes a good villain and writing good villains.
01:37:28
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that That's the shit I want to know because I'm obsessed. John, please. Open a writing course or something. Oh, my God. That man is so busy.
01:37:41
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is so busy. he's He's got a lot of shit going on. Between writing 5,000 words a day whatever it is he's up to. Holy shit. What does he do another 11 hours?
01:37:52
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but what is all right well eleven hours Yeah. Well, we've already heard ah that he's a slow writer. He's a slow writer. In fact, given the word count, I think we talked about that he writes at like half the speed of a normal person. That is crazy.
01:38:09
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I think of the average of half it is 500 words per half hour. Just one page per half hour, ah two pages per hour. And he writes 500 words per hour. he skipped at it then so long That's amazing.
01:38:25
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I know. And that's without editing stuff. He said, that's just like sitting down and typing. It's amazing. We're in awe constantly. Please come on the podcast.
01:38:37
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Please. Please. All righty. Fran says that we should do a podcast. Do a podcast with him about his incomplete goblin romance story named Poke.
01:38:49
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Is that a real thing? I don't know if that's true, but if it is, would love that. Goblin, I'm absolutely in, and I will finish it if he needs me to. Oh, gosh. I was going to say, that exists somewhere. We'll put a pause on Ward and do a podcast on that for a minute. my God. And there's a lot going on for Procter and Bay Book Club.
01:39:08
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Probably not. Hoke is a collection of short stories set in the other version showing the practitioner. Clipping out. Clipping Nick. Clipping out. next but
01:39:19
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Poke is a collection of short stories set in the other verse um showing the romantic relationship of a practitioner, Ben and a goblin DD. This is from Pact.
01:39:36
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Wow. Oh yeah. very ah Yes, please. And thank you.
01:39:45
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Yes. Goblin romance rule 34 and enter. No. no Oh, we've lost him. All right.
01:39:56
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um Anything else? Kinky. I just want to press side We were talking about 7.4. We want to move into the end of this.
01:40:09
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I think we could wrap it up. Yeah. We really didn't have any powers here. ah No. No new favorite powers. Any person or anything that ah you want to give a shout out to?
01:40:23
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um Oh. um I can't remember his name. Dr. Darnell. The No. The guy in point four that walks up to Victoria.
01:40:37
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And he's like, Ambrosius. And he's like, whoa there. You gotta be careful using your emotion powers in a crowd.
01:40:46
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That man. The gall of that man. I aspire to have that kind of confidence. Walk up to Victoria Dallin in front of her mother to be like, whoa there, young Padawan. Like, that just tickled me pink. I loved it way too much. Oh, oh, oh.
01:41:07
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I take it back, actually. Favorite power moment. Not a power, really. Favorite tinker moment. ah When they're all dealing with ah the looters and Victoria looks back at the van and Kenzie's standing on top of the van and inside Chris is tied up with Kenzie's hook and whatever and he's just like... Yeah.
01:41:33
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Yeah.
01:41:36
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That was good. That's great. Yeah. the moment The car driving moment was great. Yeah. 7.3 was probably the one of the highlights of just being a Over. Yeah. Yeah. one good Yeah.
01:41:48
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Proving that like the some of the best shit is them literally driving in traffic and around having a good time and together. Which were some of the best chapters and in Yeah.
01:41:59
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yeah All right. With that being said, next week, not next week, um so two weeks from now, next episode that we're doing, we will have done the eclipse interludes, um which will constitute, let me look at them, ah about 52,000 words.
01:42:24
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ah There are eight chapters. So we're back in back in the reading territory again. Not bad.
01:42:32
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I'm curious. August 5th, guys. By the way. August 5th. I am curious ah what um what do you think could possibly warrant interludes here.
01:42:47
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I mean, i mean i think. I didn't have a theory until, yeah, until earlier. But I do like the idea. Was it Nick Hensette or was it you, Jacob? It was me. Give me credit.
01:43:03
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Here's the thing. Jacob has great ideas. Jacob should talk more. I just appreciate you confused Jacob with me and my ideas. so I mean, you guys both have excellent ideas. You are the other let's here the idea people on this podcast.
01:43:18
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Now we'll leave it in suspense. Not according to to AI. That's right. AI says that Nick doesn't exist. Nick is not here. No, I like the idea of cat you being a ah ah look at perhaps a few people who got caught in this blast and are now betwixt realms, as it were, is my idea.
01:43:41
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So we'll see. like that. I like that.
01:43:47
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Any other theories? um No, I think that's the best one. I mean, I think I honestly think that's the best one. And I really ah hope that that's what it is because I'm not ready to give up Miss Yamada.
01:44:00
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As you guys know, last episode, I definitely said this. i'm not i'm not I'm not convinced that she's dead until i until I see the pieces or until we are confirmed, confirmed. I'm i'm not going to believe that she's dead yet. She's she's too good of a therapist.
01:44:13
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And even then, we might be directly told there's a chance she's in a cabin the but Yeah, in a cabin with Brian. Believe it. She's in a cabin with Brian!
01:44:25
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Ah! Okay. In a cabin with Brian. Give it a word. I think another possibility for the interludes could be... um some of the ah thought process behind or the impacts of the portals getting blown up.
01:44:44
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We get a little bit more of the like villain's lair of like, ha ha, we succeeded on some of our plan. What shall we do now? Like kind of that side of it possibly, ah or a look into some of the other threats that are happening. some A lot of the interludes we've gotten so far have been in relating to the wider threats, ah the robot army,
01:45:04
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um the the uh the mayoral race and what's going on with impending war i would love an undersiders set ah wouldn't be upset about that at all i'd love to know what tattletale is thinking as things are as things are getting you know portals are getting blown up and squished together ah Honestly, i i' I don't think I've ever read an interlude that I disliked.
01:45:35
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Wait, that's not true. I don't really like what's-his-faces. But ah honestly, i all the interludes are usually just bangers, so I'm excited. I'm ready to go.
01:45:48
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yeah ready The only other tertiary theory I'll throw out there just in case it happens right is that Eclipse could go back to post-GoldenBurn and fill in some of the gaps of what happened the after.
01:46:01
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Sort of leading us to the point where we are now. Very cool. I would take that too. and be burned There are eight. I don't think that's as likely. yeah if there's plenty I don't think that's as likely. but yeah You never know.
01:46:14
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yeah And there are eight, so it could be piecemeal. Right. I'm excited. Cool. No bingos tonight, huh?
01:46:25
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Too short? No bingos tonight. We you have been very little. I'll tell you them, though. ah we We only did a three by three good this time. It was Hannah cries. Jacob compares something to a movie.
01:46:36
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ah Victoria being a judgy bitch. Hate for Dr. Darnell. Cat on camera. Alan rants. Michael pulls the group back on topic. Nick goes full English teacher and morning Miss Yamada.
01:46:48
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We got most few of those. Technically, Michael pulled this back on camera, cat on camera, or back on top of cat on camera, and Victoria being a judgy bitch would have warranted me a bingo.
01:47:00
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I think you ranted as well. ranted. i marked that i marked it. supposed okay get you did um get any to this no get We didn't get a we didn't get ah a Jacob relate something to a movie tonight.
01:47:14
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I did relate something to The Good Place, which is television. So so close. you know oh You know what? That should count. Does that give someone a bingo? Fine. Give it to the TV. ah fine i it up and give it to me pen yeah Nice.
01:47:32
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Let's go. Yes. Two plus we had cat on camera or a couple times. Yeah, we did. um Yeah. It was Bunty, the gray one. Yeah. She's actually been sitting right here off camera in this little bowl-shaped ah cat tower thing right here and this whole time and then got up finally and did stuff. So she's been just off camera.
01:47:54
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um But yeah, ah we will see everybody. um We talked about maybe not um that Tuesday. We said maybe we have to change this next one up to Wednesday.
01:48:08
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So that'll be the 6th of August. 6th of August. So to correct ourselves, we will be doing Wednesday two weeks from now. So we have scheduling.
01:48:19
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ah So 6th of August. um We will do be doing that. And we'll be doing the eclipse interludes. um Just those eight.
01:48:31
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ah So um that'll be fun and exciting to see. ah if everything you turns out the way, um however it happens.
01:48:42
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