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BBBC Reads Ward - Episode 4
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The Brockton Bay Book Club discusses J.C. McCrae's Ward live! The gang reads a portion of Ward and comes together to share our thoughts with each other and anyone who want's to participate.
This week we cover Arc 2 (Flare)!
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Introduction to Brockton Bay Book Club
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Oh.
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And welcome back. Welcome back. We're live. Ayo. Good evening, Megalopolis.
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Here in the new city, are your young children a hanging out with ex-villains?
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Find out tonight on the Brockton Bay Book Club.
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Nice. um the call it just leave it hang ah wasn't sure you were done yet. yeah No, I come from the ah the Tucker Carlson School of News. was thinking it was like the old, you know, 11 o'clock. Do you know where your kids are? Yeah, but that's that's the vibe I was going with, too.
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Also, the voice. I realize I've been doing this this voice recently for a couple other things. And it is, um it finally clicked what it is. It's, ah for those of you have played Freedom Force, which is a real-time strategy RPG superhero game, ah the, like, main narrator always talks like this.
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What will happen next for the Freedom Force?
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Yeah, that sounds about right for a superhero voice. Nice. nice We're going to get Reverb on there. It'll be great.
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All right. Welcome, welcome to the Brockton Bay Book Club. We are working on what, Arc 3 tonight? Yeah, is our our right that's what I read. Good. ah Well, ah for those of you who have never been here before, ah we are a group of friends with a hobby that kind of got out of control. So we started a podcast just to record us talking and other people are also involved.
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um ah Yep. On the podcast, we have our lovely host, ah Hannah. Hi. Jacob. That's me.
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Michael. Hello. And Nick.
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Nick, say something for the crowd. Yeah, hello. now always We have some audio only listeners. yeah Yeah. Hello there. And ah this is ah your hostess with the most, just Alan.
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um
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Chat. ah Love you as always. Remember. We're going very careful with our spoilers. You guys are always the best at about answering questions, and I love that. Let's try and keep it to ARC 3 because remember,
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ah Besides myself and you guys, ah the rest of these people have never read this before. And we want to keep those ah keep those hard twists of the knife, um you know, to really feel that ah when it hits. The soft twists, too, because there's something that was spoiled for me and now I can't read without thinking about it.
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so So we're going to be careful about that. But in terms of fun games to play well in chat while we're doing that, uh, we have, uh, in the description, a bingo card that you can play.
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um for all the things going on to keep track of. it if you'd like to contribute to that bingo card and, ah the other goings on, um, or, you know, just want to spoil the heck out of it.
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We have a word spoilers channel in our discord, um, become a patron for as low as a dollar a month. And you too can join our discord where we, uh, share memes, uh, some exclusive Patreon content.
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Um, and one of those things is contributing to the bingo card. So while I'm talking about that, I'm going to bring up the bingo card as well. I can keep track. All right.
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Thanks for being here, guys. Let's into this overall. Oh, yes. And a wonderful thanks to our patrons who are who who are already subscribed. We love you all. And thank you, ah those of you who are here and playing.
Pacing: Ward vs. Breaking Bad
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So ARK 3, overall vibes. Vibes check. Let's go. What you feeling? um Fun little chapter. I almost want to say ah this thing that always ah ah precedes us talking for like four to five hours, but not a lot happened, which was kind of nice.
00:07:09
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You know, it was just kind of a, it was a, it was a smaller kind of character building arc. It was kind of fun. And, you know, knowing us, we've got hours of discussion ahead of us now. So I thought...
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yeah It was a pleasant little arc. It's the not not a lot happened, but there's a lot in the details that does happen. um I don't know. I think generally looking back in the moment I liked this arc and then looking back as I've been thinking about it today, I've kind of thought I'm like, yeah I don't know. like I don't know if I liked it that much in the sense of Maybe it just wasn't super memorable. I really like Capture the Flag. We'll get to that. I thought that was fun.
00:07:52
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ah really like the interlude. That was fun. As always. And then ah everything else I'm kind of like, eh. I like the Tattletail came back, but that's about it.
00:08:05
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i don't know. It felt very... The more I've reflected on it, the more mid it's felt in my heart. ah You know. That's my opinion. I did go back. um If we want to do this at the top, I did go back to the ah to Glow Worm to figure out who everybody's username is.
00:08:24
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And I'm pretty sure know who everybody is. I forgot. I think it's pretty obvious. It's pretty obvious once you go back, you're like, oh, wait a second. Yeah. i ah really hate to say this because you guys know how much I love Worm.
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I have thus far...
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found myself quite bored with ward um which is painful for me to even say out loud new new podcast title bored with ward here's here's my issues we have moments where i'm like locked in like interlude eating up morsel by morsel the crumbs delicious um ah Capture the flag.
00:09:14
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Great. Tons of fun. ah ah
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Visiting mom. Not great, but also great. You know, um everything else boring as fuck. um
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I find myself skimming a lot. We're reading sections over because it i just am I just, I can't, I can't, I don't care. Or ah no one talks like this.
00:09:43
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Why is the writing feel so weirdly different, non-engaging? And I, please don't hate me, chat. i i'm I assume that this is because we're setting tones for the rest of Ward, but i I'm having trouble locking in.
00:10:02
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I'd say about 60% of the plot right now.
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Go
Character Dynamics in Ward
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ahead, Nick. Oh, I was going to disagree with that. It feels much slower. um And i I think the comparison would be ah Worm is to ward what Breaking Bad is to better call Saul.
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Where... Breaking Bad stuff happens fast in that show. Like it's, it's intense pretty much from the get go. Whereas with a Better Call Saul, it's, and I haven't finished it yet. So no spoilers there, please.
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But, uh, it's, it's a much slower show and you kind of have to be willing to invest a little bit and be like, okay, I know this is leading to Breaking Bad, so I want to see where it goes.
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But, ah yeah, this is ah is a very different pace for sure. um I'm not saying it's not good. I'm not saying it's not good with Wonderful Lizard. I'm not saying it's a bad show by any means, but it is a pace change, and I think that...
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um It is like reading Worm and installations. You kind of get the sense of, wow, that arc was so action packed. I can't wait to read the next one next week. Whereas this one is kind of like, it feels more like a traditional book where each arc is like a chapter leading up to something bigger.
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If that makes sense. It's a bit slower. Not bad. Just not, not as intense as Worm. Oh yeah. yeah and i think I think there's a difference with just like Victoria's a really good protagonist. i actually really like her as a protagonist.
00:11:38
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um She's complex. Obviously, we have the history with Worm. A lot going on there. She's really fun to follow. And I'm excited where that goes. But does not start off nearly as quickly as Taylor does in terms of my ah interest in her journey and her character arc.
00:11:56
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Like Taylor's immediate trauma cool action really cool power ah just kind of right off the get-go go i'm i think victoria is going to get there have no doubt about that i think it's going to be pretty fun to watch her growth in this character but it's definitely like yeah like you said a bit been slower And then I think specifically for me, i really like the new kind of ensemble cast. A lot of fun characters and powers.
00:12:20
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But they're no Underciders. And it's it is hard because the Underciders are so good. And they're all so unique. And so there's so much character in all of them.
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um And you just you fall in love with them immediately. And so it's hard to have to spend time now. but Again, i' I like these characters. I'm sure I'm going to really like them in a few arcs as time goes on, but it's it's going to take some time and that's yeah definitely a pace change.
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yeah from It seems like seems like chat is a kind of agreeing with us generally, where it's like the beginning of Ward's a bit slower, there's a bit of lulls, and a lot of people have said it's not not the best or the worst, as some of you are saying.
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um Yeah, yeah. And as Fran said, Taylor was stealing people's eyes by now, so. Yeah, come on. A set of testicles had already dropped off.
00:13:13
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Yeah. Exactly, exactly. Some things have happened, right? And I do love It's just different. Yeah, I do love this um kind of like suspense that like everyone has some backstory that we don't necessarily know about yet. And we keep getting teased at like Moon Weaver, whatever. i don't know her name. Who cares?
00:13:35
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Bringing up Capricorn drama. Like ate that up. Love that. Love Capricorn. Capricorn's probably my favorite so far. Like i why love it. um But it also feels like we While we do need to earn backstories, I need a little bit more.
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like I need a little bit more tidbits.
Speculations on Character Backgrounds
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um And in terms of like general vibe of this arc, it felt like a lot of...
00:14:07
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When a group is talking about doing something rather than doing it. And that drives me a little crazy. like Like I understand all the details are important. Like understanding legal and costumes. And how we're going to operate as a team. And what we're going to do.
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And part of that is Victoria's job as mentor. Walking them through these steps. But it feels like. going to say, say it, and then say, tell us what you said. Kind of vibe, Dr. Dan, as we all, some of us know.
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ah by which Tell what you're going to tell us. Tell us what you tell us. Thank you. Yes, that's exactly put. And it's the problem is is that we don't need that because it's like it's it's a book. I don't need you.
00:14:48
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Tell me. And then when everything blows up, then I'll know that things didn't go according to plan. But don't talk about the plan turn Like it's too, it's, I don't.
00:15:01
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Yeah, I get what you're saying.
00:15:04
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Too much sitting around and talking, not enough stuff. Yeah. its um Some little anime filler episodes going on here. but's ah Let's see if we can get the code names before we move on.
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All right. So back to Glow Worm. um i I mean, so the one that we all know is Kraken in a Jar is Sveta. Yes. That was pretty obvious. I think we even guessed that before getting here. And was like, I'm pretty sure that's Sveta. Yeah, think That's guess.
00:15:29
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um Heart-shaped pupil is called out as Kinsey, so we know that's Kinsey. um Obviously, it also vibes, Kinsey. Obviously, also vibes. Yep, yep, yep. um Of five has got to be Rain. don't ah He's part of a multi-trigger. Oh, right. like Yeah, of course. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:15:47
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That makes sense. Also, um Nick, say the name because I because i have to think about it because I haven't thought about this yet. Oh, yeah, yeah. Give me a second. Okay, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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It's okay. It's all right. Well, i've done I've done most of them already. but um I've noticed. Yeah, sorry. I was kind of running through my guesses, I guess. Oh, that's okay. That's all right. That's okay. So, yeah.
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Cracking in a Jar, we knew. Heart-shaped pupil, we knew. Of five. Rain. ah Mangled Wings.
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I'm pretty sure I know who. I mean... These broken wings. And learn to fly. Is it Ashley? That's what my thought was too.
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Unless it's... isn't I think it's Ashley. Yeah. Because she's the only one who mentions like having not used the computer much. Yeah. Yeah, um yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And just the vibe. She's like, people find you intimidating, but online they just find you to be an asshole. And she's like, I don't care. and Accurate. Yeah. Accurate. Yeah. Yeah. yeah ah Rain's whole name. I don't remember Rain's whole name. I didn't copy that into my notes, Fran.
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I'm sorry. um If you happen to know it, that'd be helpful. I would say, has that been said yet in the book? Rain's, like his last name? Oh, Rain. will rain I thought you meant his full like screen name.
00:17:13
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No, he has a longer screen. We don't know his whole name yet, so we're not going to say it. We're not going to say it. Y'all aren't going to look at chat, chat isn't going to say a darn thing, are you, chat? No, we're not. We're going to let that be a fun treat for later. Okay, except that in this... In this... Fucker, you shut the fuck up! arc In this arc, there is a group chat.
00:17:36
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ah Chapter 6, I think. There's a group chat at the beginning. yeah When they're checking into the building... Victoria almost just said Taylor. Victoria gives everyone's first and last name. They do give his first and last name. it is, ah and you you are right. I do remember this. His name is Rain Frazier.
00:17:56
Speaker
Okay, so it is Frazier. Literally like racking my brain like, should we know a Frazier? Should we know a Frazier? Frazier, Frazier, Frazier. clip Wormnesia is strong. i'll be ah Based on Alan's reaction, was
Wildbow's Writing Style: Action Scenes
00:18:07
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probably a fake name.
00:18:08
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is we have not said... Yeah, and there's been no codenames except for Capricorn. Okay. That is yeah correct. Oh, yeah. Capricorn. And, and ah yeah, I guess old damsel of distress is old name.
00:18:22
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Yes. We'll see if that continues. um We haven't, like, talked about new codish names. Well, as far as usernames in Glowworm, say, um the only one left that is not obvious is Strange Mammal.
00:18:40
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Which we see a couple different versions of that. Chris. Yeah, right. It's got like pensive chameleon and strange mammal and upset. Yep. and yeah And then of course Capricorn is Capricorn.
00:18:57
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um ah Yeah, um that would make sense. ah So um I will say, okay, so going back to Glow Worm, knowing what we know about Tristan and Byron, it's in that arc that the hitman ah section appears.
00:19:18
Speaker
So it makes it seem as if... Oh, you just thought it was a funny name. Okay. It makes it seem as if Capricorn has hired a hitman. Here's my guess, my prediction, and don't tell me if I'm right, my prediction, I think he got a hitman for himself.
00:19:33
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I think so, too. I think so, too. I think Byron somehow found a way to cover the screen so Tristan wouldn't see it or vice versa.
00:19:45
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and ordered a hitman for himself to kill himself
00:19:52
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or like one of them to kill to kill himself thus killing the alter ego basically um that's my prediction don't tell me if i'm right or not but that's based on now knowing like oh capricorn this is tristan and byron i think one i think something something's gonna happen Somebody just hired a hit on themselves.
00:20:12
Speaker
Yeah. but There's some, there's some, there's some stinky shit going on here. Yep. Yep. And of course we meet some characters.
00:20:22
Speaker
There were some characters in those chats that we meet later. Um, whose names I did not copy. So I don't remember them now. Um, but moon beam and. ah yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker
Very douche or whatever. don't know. Um, the The two people. Yeah, whoever Capricorn's having a fight with and then also has a fight with later in 3.6. Yeah. so To give my thoughts on the arc,
00:20:51
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um i I also ah think there's some really fun stuff, especially at the end. um I generally talk about how I love downtime. I agree.
00:21:02
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i think this is a really boring chapter for the first part of it. um I really don't like it. on Thank you. ah In defense of thinking about the Undersiders compared to this group of people, I think the Undersiders characters kind of get revealed who they are pretty early on. Like, there's development for Bitch and Aisha kind of.
00:21:31
Speaker
But that's kind of it. Everybody else is a pretty static character in my mind. And... and even though they have like their dark secrets, it doesn't change who they are.
00:21:42
Speaker
And it really like as cool it as it as it is to get backstory. um It really, I don't really feel like it affects much. Like it's cool in building the character, but I really don't feel like they're that interesting of backstories.
00:21:56
Speaker
um As opposed to, These guys clearly have a lot going on, which is why they're like reserved. Like there's a lot of issues and a lot of depth to these characters that needs to be worked on.
00:22:13
Speaker
And the Undeciders just don't have that. Like they're fun right out of the gate. They're all very static, interesting characters.
00:22:24
Speaker
And you like them because that's who they are. You know, they don't really change. Ward is not about that as a story. I feel like even so far, like we are in a group that is in group therapy.
00:22:41
Speaker
Change is hopefully inevitable, but, um, you know, that's, uh, yeah, that's my thoughts on the gang. Uh, I agree.
00:22:54
Speaker
Like they're more and undersiders are more in enjoyable at the gate. And this group is, you know, they're in therapy for a reason. So, Cool. Is it just the healthy people aren't exciting characters? Is that what it is? you know what's the old... most every Every happy family is the same, but every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
00:23:23
Speaker
Yeah, is I think that's... ah It's Russian writer, I think.
Victoria's Strategic Meeting with Tattletail
00:23:28
Speaker
it's I believe it is War and... I believe it's the opening to War and Peace. is yeah I thought it was Anna Karenina. Anna Karenina. It's Anna Karenina. Anna Karenina.
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. You're right. You're right. It the opening to Anna Karenina. ah That being said, I disagree. I also think most people are are bad in the like same five different ways and they're really boring.
00:23:50
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on
00:23:53
Speaker
Fair enough. Shall we get into it then? Shall we get into it? Coming in 47,502 words long, a shorter for this week, seeing as how we did 58,000, 51,000 before. have 3 Glare.
00:24:05
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a shorter one ah for ah this week seeing is how we did like fifty eight thousand fifty one thousand um before um we have arc three gallare um
00:24:21
Speaker
3.1. Nick, you have the summaries. Would you care to intro us into what we're doing? 3.1. Victoria meets with Tattletail, then discusses her and the recording of their conversation with the rest of the team.
00:24:42
Speaker
love Nick's announcer voice. Super solid. Love it. Thank you very much. but I do like the return of Tattletail. Still doing her Tattletail mind games.
00:24:53
Speaker
Where she's just like... Still tattling. I love the like... You know, there's this territory and she's like, look, Victoria, you might be thinking of moving into that territory, but let me tell you why that's a bad idea.
00:25:05
Speaker
And listen, it's not because I'm a bad person, Victoria. Like... If I didn't do it, somebody else would. I'm the least bad. Yeah. yeah I love how it's pretty, it seems like ah nobody really still doesn't know how Tattletail's power works, which is on par for a thinker.
00:25:24
Speaker
But I was like, like oh, that's right. Nobody else knows what we know. They just think she's like just crazy, smart slash, what's what i'm thinking of?
00:25:36
Speaker
Like a precog? Precog. Yeah. Yeah. Clavoient almost. but point Yeah, exactly. Which has got to be just terrifying. ah So cool. That's great. Love our girl.
00:25:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yep.
00:25:50
Speaker
Yeah. No, she, ah I think it's one of the small things that I liked, speaking of the Undersiders, just since they were mentioned. um There's that moment where Victoria's like, how are your friends, basically? And Tattletail's is something like,
00:26:04
Speaker
Well, they're fine. I can call them if I need them, but they're fine. You know, like, I, you know, we're doing our thing. mean, if you want another ass whooping, it could be the bank 2.0 all over again, you know. Let's go.
00:26:18
Speaker
ah You know. Character development, though, they, Tattletail held a conversation where she didn't get punched or almost killed at the end, so that's good. know. I'm so proud of her. Gross. Yeah.
00:26:32
Speaker
Little things. The chat is saying how scary Tattletail is still. Well, I mean, that's their name. For sure. Yeah. know um Yeah. I don't know. The implications of being like, hey, I'm a villain. I'm only talking to you ah because i Yeah, we have that hometown relationship. yeah But really, it's that implied threat of you shouldn't mess around with the villains in this area.
00:27:03
Speaker
Somebody will help them. Might be me. You don't want it to be me. Yeah. um Yeah, I do think to point out something that Bernard said in chat too, I think I feel like based on this conversation and the conversation with the team, I think Tattletail is getting a lot of credit for things that Taylor did.
00:27:24
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, yeah. like because And I think it's ironic because Taylor would have wanted that way. taylor would Taylor would have wanted it that way. And I think it's funny because, yes, she is powerful and her power is scary, but it's funny to think of like, well, how could this have happened?
00:27:42
Speaker
Obviously could have been the bug girl. Has to be the thinker. I love it so much. Who told her to do those things? She was smart enough.
00:27:54
Speaker
Yeah, because like Victoria makes a couple when she comes back and she's talking to the team and she's like giving them the context. I can't remember what she says, but she says something along the lines of basically like, well, we don't know how it happened, but you know,
00:28:08
Speaker
A and then B and then C and that's not a coincidence and I'm like yes it was it's fun knowing like what actually happened like she talks about the the leak like all of the the the capes from ah Empire 88 getting leaked and it's like that wasn't them that was fucking Coyle like yeah fucking who.
00:28:30
Speaker
I love it so much. It's so good. It's so good. It feels good to like be on the inside to like know things. Yeah. yeah As Fran points out, she did hold on to Brockton Bay sans Skitter for two years during the time skip.
00:28:47
Speaker
She did. That's true. That's a good point. But did she do that on the groundwork that Taylor built?
00:28:54
Speaker
Well, yeah, but who knows that? Like, Skitter wasn't the face of most of the conversations. She was just kind of like the you know, yeah person who... Skitter was the boogeyman, I feel like.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah. 100%. Absolutely. Skitter, she was the boogeyman of Brockton Bay. In a parallel, very much Contessa and Dr. Mother almost. Where like, Contessa was the head of Cauldron. Like, Dr. Mother didn't... Like, Dr. Mother was a doctor who was good at whipping up vials. That was it. Yeah.
00:29:25
Speaker
yeah Like the real person in charge was Contessa. Yeah.
Exploring Character Powers: Tristan and Byron
00:29:30
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. Is Contessa. Let's be clear.
00:29:37
Speaker
She's here. um I'm sorry. wait waiting Waiting. It's more so that is Cauldron still there? yeah Yeah. I really like them talking about the rushing to make new Brockton.
00:29:53
Speaker
ah the the idea of it might taint or distort it, um especially compared to Old Brockton Bay. And the more I was like like rereading that paragraph over and over again, it felt like Wild Bo talking directly to the fans about ward and worm.
00:30:10
Speaker
Like, look, you know, you don't want to rush into this. You don't want to distort the image of the sequel series coming out. You can't look past old Brockton Bay into this new Brockton Bay without, you know, you don't want to, yeah you know, mess up the legacy. Yeah.
00:30:30
Speaker
yeah I thought it was a good, and that was a good, I do think it's funny, too, that just on a practical level, how she was noting, like, Brockton Bay kind of started to fall apart because of the way the shipping industry went.
00:30:43
Speaker
And New Brockton started out really good, but it's like hyper speedrunning that same problem. but It's like, oh, we're established now. We can just ignore Brockton Bay again, right? Yeah. Fuck them.
00:30:59
Speaker
That was kind of an ironic, you know, speedrun... Mass poverty, I guess. i don't know. but Yeah. All right, boys. All right, chat. We're going be speed running mass poverty. ah Going with the new Brockton starting area.
00:31:14
Speaker
No.
00:31:17
Speaker
shipping Shipping is going to be our main. Shipping is all we do. We're going to go sub two years. Oh, man.
00:31:27
Speaker
New record. yeah ah Yeah. All right. Well, I did... I was just going to say, I don't know if Victoria actually got one over on Tattletail, but the fact that she recorded it seemingly privately without Tattletail's knowledge.
00:31:43
Speaker
But it's hard to know. Did Tattletail know she was being recorded? so I feel like Tattletail totally knew. She just didn't let on. She's like, yeah, there's a camera there, there, there, there. And four of them are mine. Yeah.
00:31:56
Speaker
Yep, for sure. yep for sure I've hacked your feed already. i already have copies of this conversation triplicate. i' gonna I'm going to take it back. I'm watch you react to me calling you glory hole like five more times.
00:32:09
Speaker
Put it on repeat. Turn it into a meme. Gosh. Trending on new EarthBet TikTok. Yeah. ah yeah yeah
00:32:22
Speaker
do you Imagine being a follower in Tattletail's TikTok. Like, it's just her dropping hot goss about other capes. It's just a leak account.
00:32:34
Speaker
It's just leaking information. I don't know you knew, but using my powers, I'm pretty sure that, you know, Legend is having an affair. um Don't ask me how I knew. It's just Tattletail.
00:32:49
Speaker
See you next time. Oh, boy. Yeah, it's just hot. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah And then like two weeks later, because like there's no proof. She's got no proof. But like two weeks later, there's like a whole incident where he does get caught. And it's just. No.
00:33:04
Speaker
those For those of you who watch Dan to Dan, like with the grandma who like predicts everything wrong for the dude. And then it immediately becomes true like a week later.
00:33:16
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, she could call it Tattle Tea. Oh, Tattle. Spill the Tattle Tea. That's good. well that' you Tattle Tales TV Spilling Channel. Let's go. 3.2. Anything else for 3.1? Oh, one small thing. i just like Victoria being like redacted.
00:33:41
Speaker
You guys don't need to know that. Yeah. Yeah. that yeah Kenzie? Kenzie, I know you're watching right now. Yep.
00:33:53
Speaker
name yep um All right. 3.2. I'd also just side note there. Kenzie's like, I can redact things without paying too much attention. Maybe but you just tell me the time, timestamp and I'll delete it.
00:34:10
Speaker
ah That's what we do to Michael. We back when we didn't do it live, we'd be like Michael from, This moment for the next 30 seconds, erase everything Alan says. Write that down. And write that you never did. Note the time. Note the time.
00:34:25
Speaker
And then if you're a patron, you get the whole unedited bit, even if we look horrible, usually. that's there There are a lot of sound clips that the patrons have access to that are rants that went on way too long and hard.
00:34:39
Speaker
Oh, dear. Would hurt us in future job interviews. Honestly, I'm thinking about leaking all of mine. I think I could find a career out of this. if you oh yeahp If we ever disband, it's going to go full cringe. Remember, your nudes can't get leaked if you leak if you leak them first.
00:34:57
Speaker
You leak of yourself? Yeah. That's the Alexander Hamilton method of getting ahead of the problem. Your method is going to be to get just famous enough that you're noticed that if you do have something bad happen to you, then you'll get more famous. Is that what you're saying?
00:35:14
Speaker
Exactly. It's that sweet spot. That sweet, sweet spot. Right. Okay. There you go. All right. All right. really Just want to acknowledge William Doe. Tattles Tales would also be a good channel name.
00:35:27
Speaker
Tattles Tales. Love that. All right. 3.2. Excellent.
00:35:33
Speaker
Vicky meets Kenzie's dad, helps move a camera, gets filled in on everyone's powers, meets Byron, and suggests a game of Capture the Flag. I feel like we could lump that in with 3.3, shall we?
00:35:49
Speaker
yeah then The sleeper 3 is a capture the flag chapter. Yeah. yes yeah yeah ah three point three 3.3. The group plays capture the flag and discusses the results and their individual strategies.
00:36:02
Speaker
Rain arrives. Ashley gets frustrated and snaps. And Kenzie goes to talk with her.
00:36:12
Speaker
Yes. As not so certain has said, Kenzie's totally normal dad. Yeah, Kenzie's dad... um Bit of a bit off-putting, eh?
00:36:23
Speaker
Yeah. um it was hard to It was hard to figure out if if he was like how much of him was just kind of well, you know, at least she's got friends. yeah and it was it was hard It was hard to read him. He's getting out of the house.
00:36:47
Speaker
yeah Yeah, exactly. i that I got very big like. corners and sternite wall Yeah. and I got very, very big tired of dealing with teenage daughter dad energy of like.
00:37:00
Speaker
Yeah. She's going to do something with somebody. Might as well be you guys, I guess. She's not. and it Was that your. No, no, no. I have a comment. Yeah. right yeah I think we're all wrong. Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker
I think Kenzie's dad is a bot. I think Kenzie's family doesn't exist. I think she's made them. This is my theory. Is she the one who made all the robots on the server? Mm-hmm.
00:37:28
Speaker
All the bots? Yeah. Uh-huh. I think we have a a night and fog situation. Do you guys remember this? Back in Wyrm. is it It's night and fog, right? Where they're sitting at the table in their you know regular human normal personas and they're going...
00:37:44
Speaker
ah going Oh, would you like some more coffee, dear? Here's your fresh set of pancakes. It's very Stepford-wise. They know the roles they're supposed to play, but they're so like they're not there. like Lights not on upstairs.
Capture the Flag Game Analysis
00:38:02
Speaker
That is what I think. i've I've closed my YouTube channel, by the way. I'm not looking at the chat because I don't trust you guys anymore. ah So i i ah and that's what I think it is.
00:38:13
Speaker
I think that Kenzie's family is not, they're like not real. Like he's a real estate agent. No, fucking not. Like, we're in a post-apocalypse world where we're struggling to get people to, like, be building shit.
00:38:29
Speaker
There's not, like, free houses that he's gonna, like, oh and you'll love this. It's a three-bedroom, two-bath with a garden tub. You catch my drift? Like, no. This man is not. That's not happening.
00:38:42
Speaker
This man... When he's not chauffeuring her around with her giant washing machine cameras, he goes into sleep mode and sits in an alley somewhere. Like, I do not trust that these are live human beings.
00:38:55
Speaker
Because he is basically in sleep mode in that van. I mean, basically. He's like a self-driving car p fly That would imply Kinsey is maybe lying about her powers then.
00:39:07
Speaker
yeah think Which kind of makes sense because the group of people, children in therapy might be lying about their powers and past. Wow. I didn't mean for that to be sarcastic against Nick. I meant that to be.
00:39:21
Speaker
i'm so set on this as of as what the plot is. I like your theory a lot. That's fun. I'm leaving.
00:39:34
Speaker
That does work. I mean, that'd be fun. Especially because that would make sense, too, that ah that a tinker would... I mean, obviously, everybody kind of hides their powers a bit. So it makes sense that there'd be a little ah little ah apprehensive to share everything. It'd be kind of fun.
00:39:49
Speaker
Yeah. I just think that there's something weird going on. Like, they're so specific about, like, her getting home to dinner on time and, like, routines. And she's, like, a kid.
00:40:00
Speaker
And it's kind of this idea, like... Maybe the routines are important because she doesn't have anything else other than family dinner with the bots. You know?
00:40:12
Speaker
The rental I wish I had family dinner with the bots.
00:40:19
Speaker
Instead, I have a real family. What am I? Chopped liver? What? shop li Hey, but live some people really like chopped liver.
00:40:31
Speaker
Okay, wow. My whole heart. ah ah Yeah. I am torn because on the one hand, I like the idea of Kenzie having ah a pretty...
00:40:44
Speaker
not helpful power she can make giant practically yeah cameras it was like it's just kind of fun but's it's fun to try to figure out how to work with that but on the other hand would it would make sense that that's not her only power so bifaroni points out victoria never said that kenzie's dad wasn't suspiciously cube-shaped That's true.
00:41:09
Speaker
That's true. That's true. Why is your dad shaped like a washing machine? Yeah, he was a real block of a man. Is that Steve?
00:41:21
Speaker
Steve from the movie Minecraft? I'll like to think of Nick, though. Is that Alex? Oh, my God. from our hall with his Minecraft. Our friend Alex very blockchain. He had to let go ahead. and had explains and do love him though. Catching strays. Catching so many strays people they don't even know and we'll never hear this.
00:41:42
Speaker
They'll never know. They'll never know. if we're But you know what? In this chapter, especially in point two, um talking about how this moves a bit slower, i did think that we spent way too much time ah with Victoria moving that camera from a to B. life Yeah.
00:42:04
Speaker
it's It's like three paragraphs of her yeah lifting and moving the camera. Yeah. and it's And adjusting the ratchet strap. And ah adjusting the straps and setting it down and flying over there. Like, i remember getting to the end of that set. It was still with me, being like, she she just she just moved it.
00:42:25
Speaker
That was pointless. i I don't get upset so much with that because I actually kind of find that a little interesting. But you are right. That combined with all the other little things that just take a little bit too long lead me to really not like 3.2, 3.3, 3.4,
00:42:46
Speaker
three point two ah three point three three point four um Yeah, this this is my my most hated section.
00:42:59
Speaker
ah And if we want to move ahead, i find the therapy group combat and extremely boring. I love Capture the Flag. thought it was fun.
00:43:10
Speaker
also love Capture the Flag in general. I enjoyed it because it was it kind of harkened back to the to my... like i mean We um but who didn't play Capture the Flag for like hours as a kid. So it was kind of fun yeah to relive those memories in a superhero environment. like I do agree, though.
00:43:26
Speaker
I did think... And it was fun seeing powers at play kind of for the first time, which as always I always enjoy that. But yeah, I i do. i kind of agree with that one. I think overall... I did skim this fight a little bit.
00:43:38
Speaker
ah Just yeah kind of getting through it. There's, ah for those of you who enjoy writing and hearing about writing, a channel called Hello Future Me does great little talks about ah different scenes of writing and and stuff to write about.
00:43:51
Speaker
And one of them, they ah they write about ah fighting scenes. And in it, there's the description of ah sort of two ways of writing. One is a vibes-based fight scene. They rolled around on the floor and eventually one of them came up on top.
00:44:07
Speaker
You know, you, your brain fills in the imagery and the other is like blow by blow. He took his right hand and put it into the inside of the other guy's like left knee, which caused the you know cartilage to crack.
00:44:21
Speaker
And the problem with that second one is that while it is very descriptive, which is something that you want when you are trying to show off all of the unique powers and how they interact with each other and what they can do, it doesn't move at the pace of a fight.
00:44:42
Speaker
Instead, you get the 500-episode anime fight problem, which is like them doing one punch and spending six episodes talking about how we got to that punch and what that punch did and how it's important to the backstory. like It just doesn't have momentum.
00:45:02
Speaker
And so you need an equal bit in this case, of very descriptive stuff to talk about like a power, you know, very, you want it to notice it and have it appear, but then you really do want the things exploded.
00:45:19
Speaker
There was water everywhere. Ashley did a flip and exploded and shot herself back and almost got me. We can kind of figure out what happened in between. We don't need to hear.
00:45:32
Speaker
And then her right leg touched the wall and she was at a 45 degree angle, not a 35 degree angle.
Character Development: Rain and Ashley
00:45:38
Speaker
25 would be too little. but for you know and you you know like We don't need that. And unfortunately, I feel like this and some honestly, this is why I kind of skim a lot of Wild Bo's fight scenes is um Some of them can really fall into this overly descriptive category instead of getting the intensity and momentum of a fight in written word, which is
00:46:09
Speaker
think really failed that bar um when it when it came to my reading of it. And like Jacob said, I tried to read it really through. Most of the time I read this, I skim it because I'm like, I'm moving at the speed of the fight and I'm picking out nouns and verbs.
00:46:26
Speaker
And by the time I reached the end, I'm like, oh yeah, that was a really fun fight because I didn't read every single word. If I read every single word like I did this time, it's a really boring fight. And we'll put a pin into... We'll get back to it because I think Wild Boe fixes this problem entirely in the interlude.
00:46:43
Speaker
The interlude fighting is fantastic. Oh, my God. Yep. So, yep. Absolutely. he's not He didn't lose his touch. He gets it right back in a couple chapters. It's just... Yeah. A couple times. yeah I think it's... I think it comes down to...
00:46:58
Speaker
ah we'll We'll get to that too. But ah the detail being overtaking the vibe of the fight and the detail being more important when it isn't.
00:47:09
Speaker
And I really do think that this comes in with, I've said it before, with costume descriptions and how it feels really off to me. And we've talked about like, oh, well, Taylor's judgy or, oh, Victoria knows a lot about capes and therefore like she would know costumes.
00:47:24
Speaker
Like we see it in the interlude too. I'll get to that. But like, I think it's just that Wild Bo, in certain parts of his writing, focuses in on the detail. And, like, gets really, like, he he sees it so clearly in his head. He wants us to see it just as clearly. And he gets way too in-depth with the details. And by doing that, he's lost some of us a little bit along the way. And that's where we start to skim. Which, again, if you like...
00:47:52
Speaker
You want to know exactly where Ashley's foot was, exactly how she propelled herself and moved, like, as opposed to the vibe of the fight, which I feel like there are times when you just need to vibe the story and other times when you need the detail. Like, this is one of those times where they're literally playing capture the flag.
00:48:13
Speaker
It doesn't matter where Ashley's foot Yeah. like what is What matters is is that Ashley's really fucking fast. Faster than we expected. And how does that impact Victoria or make Victoria think about utilizing Ashley's power in specific ways? So, like, there's... I think that's i think that's probably... that To me, that's what feels like.
00:48:36
Speaker
issue. For me, ironically, Capture the Flag was kind of the high point of the arc for me. Maybe, probably mostly because of the the power showcase. Not necessarily the actual Capture the Flag game.
00:48:48
Speaker
Which I think is the point. i think this is yeah If there were a time to be slow to show powers off, to be noticing them in character even as Victoria.
00:48:58
Speaker
This is the time. She's seeing all these new powers for the first time. And hopefully this continues. and But but then from then on, she doesn't have to analyze doesn't it have to analyze things. It's just we know these powers. We know what they do.
00:49:12
Speaker
We can just you know move on after that.
00:49:19
Speaker
Speaking of powers...
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah, speaking of powers, we finally get to see some of them. Also, speaking powers, if you want to count this, this is a cattail for those of you playing Gingo. I can't see it. It doesn't count. I did see the cattail come down a second ago.
00:49:35
Speaker
little but And away it goes. Interestingly, Ferroni says in chat that Wildbo has aphantasia, can't visualize mental images. So that's kind of an interesting thing. Yeah, I remember...
00:49:51
Speaker
He's mentioned it in a We've Got Word interview, Beefaroni said. um We talked about that with our patrons a long time ago. like this is one of our first... Well, we talked about Aphantasia.
00:50:03
Speaker
I don't know if... It started because of this, I'm pretty sure, and then we got into and talking about Aphantasia because ah somebody in the conversation that had it and yeah That would make sense up because that was an example and for his writing style because then um with me, kind of like you said, Alan, that that vibes-based fighting or vibes space anything really mean makes a lot more sense for people if you're reading it quickly and can fill in the details with your imagination.
00:50:36
Speaker
But if you struggle to fill in details with your imagination because mental images come harder to you or not at all, then it makes sense that you would be like, let me make sure I i paint the clearest picture possible of what exactly is happening.
00:50:49
Speaker
I will say the way that Wildbow writes would be like an animator's dream because you would not need to question exactly how to choreograph a fight. You'd be like, oh, he did it already. Cool. You know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:01
Speaker
so also So one of the reasons I'm going to give him a lot of shit about this is because this is my default writing style is overly descriptive fight scenes and I have to work hard to not do it. also for the record i don't have aphantasia but made me think about like when i first heard about the concept um i thought about like yeah i don't actually picture images in my head when i'm reading like i don't i have to sit and go oh you know an apple and you know and then an apple appears but when i'm reading ah it's just it is words on a page and there is just kind of
00:51:39
Speaker
a train of thought, if you will. um Yeah. It's more rhythmic than it is imagery. It's very different for me too if it's reading versus hearing the audiobook as well.
00:51:51
Speaker
um' Listening to an audiobook, I'm actually much more easily able to visualize what's going on. um Whereas with reading, I'm kind of with you, Alan, where it's more like stream of consciousness. Like I'm just following along and then I can go back and be like, well what would that have looked like and imagine it in my head? and but I'm not not It's hard to know because I think I am picturing it in my mind, but I'm not actively thinking about the picture, if that makes sense.
00:52:20
Speaker
don't know. It's a thing. Yeah, it is an active... definitely don't have that intention, though. know that. To image something. Yeah. That's so interesting. I'm like, I'm fucking there.
00:52:32
Speaker
Like, like i I can see it so clearly in my head, like I'm watching a movie. Like, that is... if it's If it's good writing and i and I don't like, because, you know, you can get stuck up on things where you're like, you're thinking about it you're like, wait, okay, i'm now I'm confused. like But if it's good writing and i'm I'm engaged with it, like, I'm fucking there.
00:52:53
Speaker
Like, yeah. ah yeah And as a as a side note too, I will say, ah if anybody ever tells you that listening to an audiobook isn't the same as reading, you can tell them that not only is that not true, but audiobook listeners actually process more words than readers do.
00:53:11
Speaker
Because readers do tend to skip around pages with their eyes. Whereas if you're listening to an audiobook, you will hear every word that was in the book. Yeah. Unless you're Hannah who read and you can't listen to audiobooks without ah totally zoning out for three minutes straight and also listening to it on 1.4 or 5 speed because audiobook readers talk so fucking slowly.
00:53:35
Speaker
Oh, yeah. You got to go at least 1.25 or not. if not yeah Yeah, or higher. Yeah. yeah Y'all are crazy. the only time I didn't. You've got a good audiobook person. it It depends. It depends. For me, for me I'm a consistent like 1.15 times.
00:53:52
Speaker
um But the one time I did slow it down was I listened to a dramatized audio book and that you got to take at the pace it's given to you because that's that's so much better. Anyways, we're way off topic.
00:54:04
Speaker
Wait, hold on I just want to i want more one more thing. The one audio book that I listened to slower was I'm Glad My Mom Died because it's read by Jeanette McCurdy and she reads so fucking fast.
00:54:17
Speaker
I had to slow that one way down. There you go. Speaking of powers, Jacob, thoughts on powers. You had a thought earlier, i think. Yes. I didn't have a thought other than just there they were cool as is is all my thought was. Which one did you like the best,
Group Dynamics and Personal Issues
00:54:33
Speaker
Jacob? Yeah, I think i think ah Tristan and Byron. they're Their ability to impact each other's powers is is really fun And it was like the the creative brain in me was already like, okay, if I was writing this character, how would I have their powers interact with the world?
00:54:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The interaction between their powers is a super cool. How one's making solid masses, one can make the masses liquid into water and then they can make it solid again. Like it's just yeah. Yeah.
00:55:04
Speaker
Yeah. Super. I forgot how big they can make those objects too. Because at one point in time, like Tristan makes a castle. Yeah. yeah He's like, all right, I got defense. He's like, castle out of the ground. Yeah, I was like, got just got to draw this with my it like air Wiimote real quick.
00:55:27
Speaker
Like all the different blocks and stuff that like lead up the hill. Yeah. i Also, I imagine that the ah the little motes in the air are just the spinning lights from the PlayStation 2 intro.
00:55:40
Speaker
Like the you know, that bounce around when you don't have the disc in Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Team has way heavier hitting powers than the Undersiders.
00:55:54
Speaker
ah Yeah, absolutely. let's say hey yeah Any more powers we want to talk about while we're here other than ah Tristan and Aaron? I would say this group's powers are more akin to close to what the Travelers could do. I think the Travelers power-wise were still much more powerful.
00:56:09
Speaker
yeah it's Whereas the Undersiders were tactical, sneaky. um You've got here, you've got the big hitters, right? ah Yeah, like you've got...
00:56:20
Speaker
um you've got uh chris's power so he's got this weird mood altering transformation power um which is pretty funny and also as a concept a emotion changer like yeah yeah very cool yep and he keeps a piece of that emotion that he takes on whatever it might be yeah um But I imagine that's... and I want to see his other forms, right? Me too. are his other emotion forms?
00:56:55
Speaker
He has names for multi, whatever they like. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Um... And then, what we get? I do like, we see Sveta again, not new powers, but, you know, Kinsey makes the hologram. She's like, how'd you get it? it's just like, I just grabbed all of them.
00:57:12
Speaker
Oh, cool. I love it. I love it. Like, just brute it. Like, straight brute force it. That's so much. ah Bernard points out, ah remember the two powers that Tristan and Byron have are based on their personalities, as, you know, all are all the powers.
00:57:29
Speaker
But in this case, ah one is very rigid. And the other is fluid, but frigid. I like it. I like that. Yeah.
00:57:40
Speaker
Very good. um Yeah. And then Damsel of Pro-Stressed. Yeah. Which I was going to say, I've seen a little bit of already, but but cool to see Enforce again.
00:57:52
Speaker
i Up until... I want to say one of the Iron Man, like Iron man Civil War, or Captain America Civil War with Iron Man. um There was a a move with powers that I really enjoyed watching in visual media, which is using explosives to change direction.
00:58:15
Speaker
Ruby, ah also the animated show, yeah was incredibly good about this. The scythe, um my favorite my favorite specifically about this with the change of direction is, and that's ah closer to this, is the shotgun gauntlets that, um oh my gosh, ah Yang has.
00:58:35
Speaker
Where at one point in time, she like misses a punch and uses the shotgun, like shotgun blasts the arm to drive her elbow into the dude. um which is like really cool, like using, and that that's essentially what um our girl Ashley is doing all around the place is using the explosive power that she can put off to alter direction.
00:58:58
Speaker
And like, she's not a speedster. She can just explode her body forward. And then, you know, retro thruster it and then boom and a hit and, you know,
00:59:14
Speaker
Yeah, ah that's not a certain point. ah You know, she is a blaster. Like, that's that's it. But she can use her power like a mover, um where she is literally blasting her way over to you and then using it to blast around the field.
00:59:29
Speaker
um Yeah, she must have some kind of some kind of higher durability, I imagine, than the average person, too. That must be a like a... tertiary power she has because yeah I mean obviously she's immune to her own power because of the Manton effect but more so than that I mean we see the consequences of it she kind of falls hard and takes a hard hit but still is able to get up And so I remember... um Yeah, I remember her, though, still seeming a bit more durable.
00:59:59
Speaker
And I think even Victoria commented, like, she's a bit more durable than you might expect, using her power so recklessly. She is rocket jumping, William. Yeah. um Which I...
01:00:10
Speaker
Straight Halo rocket jumping. she She is rocket jumping and taking ah what feels like a little bit of the damage because of that. Not from the explosion, but like you said, when she lands and she doesn't retro-thruster that, ah you she ends up off balance and... you know um you know, tripping up and she uses at one point in time, I believe she uses her explosive with her hand to like right herself because she yeah kind of knocks herself over a little.
01:00:38
Speaker
I mean, OG Damsel. Yeah, was just just to your just to your point. i was Wasn't the original Damsel taking hits from Armist Master and Dragon before? Or getting got?
01:00:51
Speaker
So like, had some, had some good ability. don't remember. Yeah, dont I don't think she took... I don't think she was hard for them to beat, though. Looks like we have a bingo.
01:01:03
Speaker
Already? oh no. it Looks like two plus four times five have has a bingo. um I have three here. a demi Which one I missing? Let's see.
01:01:17
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it looks like ah Tattletail Hype, ah Cat on Screen, Tattletail Hate, and What the Fuck is with Chris's Power?
01:01:27
Speaker
Okay, all right. yeah I'll give it to you. I don't know if we quite hit what the F about Chris and Power. Yeah, I feel like we just kind of talked about it briefly. We'll give it to you. We did hit the vibe of that one, though.
01:01:42
Speaker
We really did. Yeah, yeah. it's ah It's a funky one. um For sure. Yeah, yeah. Very nice, very nice. I feel like we need, for future reference, we need full cat on screen.
01:01:58
Speaker
That tip of tail cat on the screen. that see Here's the problem. Is that cat, ever ah Lord Beckford, oh, and his leg is just sticking like right, dangling right here. His little sleepy spot is right here off screen.
01:02:12
Speaker
And so most of the time we see him at some point time come up and down this. And we've even had Bird, ah the other cat, come meowing just through
Themes of Friendship and Support
01:02:24
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the room. I heard ah Yeah, she was dragging her toy around so pitiful and like sat here for a while and just looked at me longingly.
01:02:33
Speaker
But you know, the things I do for the patrons had to ignore. That's dedication. All right. Yeah. um As far as the capture the flag game goes itself, ah the results, we had Ashley.
01:02:48
Speaker
One of the interesting explanations they talked about is that um because Ashley is a clone, She, and because of the way Bonesaw made the clones, she doesn't have any of the good memories that Damsel had before she went towards the Slaughterhouse Nine.
01:03:07
Speaker
Right. Apparently, and this was mentioned in multiple places, but it sounds like Damsel maybe was about to take a turn towards the good guys, or at least... you know turn away from a life of crime when the Slaughterhouse Nine came into town and she ended up kind of jumping in with them. We don't know exactly why she did.
01:03:25
Speaker
ah She was kind of a B, C-list villain. you know They were just recruiting kind of anybody who would come with them at that point. um And so we don't really know why she did. And then she died so quickly we never really saw her in action.
01:03:38
Speaker
Yeah. um yeah ah There's so... With that, we're like... yeah Not just that, but because... they're essentially given the same traumatic events and negative stuff without the positives in order to keep the, ah the passenger almost intertwined with the genetic code, um and the same personality for that power set.
01:04:05
Speaker
Um, we, there, um, Ashley is much more passenger than, than other people are. Yeah.
01:04:19
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Very much in the same way that like bone saw was a lot more passenger than human and glastic for sure. And for certain was essentially a person riding along. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. With a passenger, not the other way around.
01:04:38
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Um, so, you know, I, the Ashley glastic, uh, uh, you know, parallel there where you have somebody who's trying to separate themselves almost from their power. And, um, you know, the whip part is human and what part is, is passenger. yeah And the way that she was made is essentially they're the same thing, but, um, yeah, hard to deal with that. Yeah. Cause they, they talk a little bit about that, about how,
01:05:08
Speaker
I think Kenzie maybe mentions how she feels like she's talking to whatever's inside of her when she's talking to Ashley. And so she's trying to be nice to Ashley because she's like, maybe then it'll be nice to me. You know?
01:05:20
Speaker
Yeah. And yeah, it's just like, you I mean, yeah, you've got a little alien living in your brain. um And for her she's just a clone of who she once was.
01:05:31
Speaker
Not even having the real memories, not... you know Like we said, Bonesaw cutting out the good memories just to leave the trauma. um yeah I mean, he's technically only been alive for a few years. you know Yeah, I would say, I don't even know if we talk about cutting him out.
01:05:46
Speaker
I don't even know she had anything to cut out because you basically dumped like, i need trauma that's really akin to hers. so that's And that's all we need. We just need the trauma. So she is a personality entirely built on the bad stuff that I could find.
01:06:02
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It's kind of funny too how then she has that fatalistic attitude towards becoming a villain where she's like, yeah I'm going to be a villain. That's just what I am. And it it does make you wonder, okay, like how real is this clone?
01:06:16
Speaker
Is this a real, seems to be a real person, but are they kind of on this one lane path based on the way they were made or can they change and be a good person? We'll see. Yeah. yeah It's funny, even while reading, I forget that she's a clone. Completely and utterly forget. Because, you know, she's just she's just ah annoying.
01:06:35
Speaker
Well, I mean, i say annoying. I mean more of just like... She is. and She is annoying. i I... Her very like... I'm going stomp off and sit on that rock.
01:06:48
Speaker
Let's keep bullying the two-year-old. Thank you, Fran. I know, that's the thing. I for i forget that she's still... This toddler. Yeah, like it's it's easier to give people a pass if you like know their background or you know their history because like, okay, well, you know, they've been through a lot. Like we can give them a pass or like...
01:07:07
Speaker
Be more a kind or considerate. I keep forgetting that Ashley is only, you know, two, three years old. Like she's a, she's a baby clone because she, she just comes across as like, she's so like jaded and incredibly opinionated and stubborn.
01:07:23
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That's like, oh yes, you have the stubbornness of a full fledged human being, not a two year old clone, which makes sense of how she was created. But like, i i forget, like I forget really easily.
01:07:38
Speaker
It's a good reminder for me going forward. but Yeah. yeah It's a shame Taylor's not there. She has a really good ability to bully toddlers as we learned.
01:07:49
Speaker
yes Yeah. Take care that toddler real quick. Oh, no. 3.45. forget three point from I feel like we can kind of wrap 3.4 and 3.5 together. It's a lot of talking, but I think they're kind of related.
01:08:11
Speaker
so But it's up to you guys. Well, there's a difference because 3.5 is interesting and 3.4 sucks. And 3.4 is boring as fuck. Some of the worst writing. Nick, why don't you read your summary for 3.4? I'll read 3.4. 3.4. what a tangled heroic web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
01:08:31
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The group decides on their focus. Yeah, that's boring. We talked for a whole chapter.
01:08:41
Speaker
Yeah, this is this is the most ambiguous language used with the most verbosity, and i it didn't need to happen. We could have skipped straight to 3.5, and nothing would have changed.
01:08:57
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ah Speaking of more interesting things, 3.3, Rain talks about his power, but he doesn't... what oh did he yeah Did he do anything? I'm trying to remember. He did something, but I'm trying to... He shows up late.
01:09:10
Speaker
He shows a late. And then he shoots his little laser thing into rocks. That's right. and Smacks it. 20 pounds of force. Yeah, okay, that's right. Super badass as a power. That's pretty fucking cool.
01:09:26
Speaker
I hate that he's like, that's not that good. Let me just blow up these rocks. It's excellent. It's excellent. He comes in and he's he's bringing his little gauntlets and he's just like, ah these are going to break immediately. I just know it. They're is worthless little pieces of scrap.
01:09:41
Speaker
Yeah, because they can't even pick up like, what, 10 pounds or something like that? Yeah. Like somebody who just got like, you know, shoulder surgery. It's like, oh, let me just, yeah you know, and he's got, that's the only thing he can make.
01:09:53
Speaker
So it's like good for like what? Honestly, a important yeah, fun practical thing. It could like, you know, hold stuff for you while you're working on things. Like, That's cool. um In terms of combat, kind of sucks.
01:10:09
Speaker
But yeah, the laser power, though. Yeah, that was the thing. Laser power is fantastic. I mean, it's if it's not quite scrub level, but like it's not bad. you know like i love, too, Victoria's just casually like, so like can you cut the earth in half, basically? It's what she says. The question we always have.
01:10:29
Speaker
Mackenzie, go stomp on that line for a second. I know. What what would have been? I feel like that was a bold move for Victoria to just be like, why well, cut through the ground and let's see what happens.
01:10:41
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Yeah. I don't know. Might as well. yeah Also, they're like on a hill behind the library. Yeah. Like yeah you could And he's got people and or animals in half, he said, right?
01:10:53
Speaker
Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. and Yeah. Yeah, he cut the goat. like Was it a goat? Oh, yeah, because the goat jumped up on ah on the tire, and it was fine. But when the goat jumped down off the tire, the goat was not fine. fell in half.
01:11:07
Speaker
Oh, it's horrid. It's fine. I mean, look, at least we it works. like Him and Faultline would be a dangerous duo. Oh, my God.
01:11:19
Speaker
ah Really, really would. my God. I mean, you've already got a pretty dangerous duo with him and Victoria. Like, he yeah puts him on the tee, and then she just busts everything.
01:11:30
Speaker
Because... I'm thinking Victoria, Rain, and Ashley, too. like Well, Ashley would also be just wild. Yeah, the two of them, ah you know, really hard-hitting.
01:11:43
Speaker
Yeah, I remember, Fran, when they asked Dinah about, like, well, can he cut the world in half with ah Jack Slash? Like, yeah How long can the Blade go?
01:11:54
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yeah They were like, he can't end the world. What if he cuts the world?
01:12:01
Speaker
And it ended up being so much worse than that. yeah yeah and a way um Yeah. 3.4 though, they basically just decide to be Intel collectors. yeah right And then yeah they sell it to other people.
01:12:13
Speaker
Okay, cool. Moving on. 3.5.
01:12:19
Speaker
I think I skipped that whole. 3.5 though. Yeah. um Yeah, I'm fine with moving on. ah The team wraps up and packs away. Discussion on personal issues and planning.
01:12:31
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Ashley is similar to Victoria. Mark drops in on Vicky and Crystal and fills them in on some things.
01:12:39
Speaker
Yeah. Kick us off. I love Rain's talk about people offering to help. Mm-hmm. having worked in ministry for a little bit, uh, you know, that is something that you always, ah feel obligated to offer your help to people.
01:13:00
Speaker
Oh, Hey, I'll stop by yada, yada. And, When you make those, you know, promises and everybody, everybody knows that you're not going to, that you don't mean to, and you might genuinely even mean to, but it, it just, it's inconvenient. It doesn't happen. And when you say that you're going to, and you don't, even if everybody knows that it just doesn't feel like good. There's like some trust or something lost And I've made it a point, ah like, you know, Rain talks about, like, you just say something you can do for them in the immediate.
01:13:31
Speaker
Say something that you know you can do that's definite and, like, a one-time thing. And then you can re-up that the next time. You, like, don't make promises you can't keep. Don't offer to keep helping somebody when it's going to fade out.
01:13:44
Speaker
And i I really, really resonated with Rain talking about that. Yeah. Yeah, the whole, like, I'd rather you actually come help me when it matters than help me now and realize how inconvenient it is.
01:13:59
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And then not help me later when it really matters. Yeah. Which, you know, Victoria knows something about that.
01:14:08
Speaker
I feel like because of just how much this group has gone through or has assumedly gone through because there's so much we still don't know, it's it is built in such a way that, like, someone says something and everyone else is like, yeah, we know. Like, we we fucking get that. Like, if you're going to have a group that's better...
01:14:28
Speaker
tuned in into each other and like what that means it's i mean it's this fucking group like ah that i was thinking the same thing like when he's talking about that like victoria was stuck in the hospital or wherever the the facility for so long literally just waiting for her mom to visit and like uh is it here or is it i think it's later it's in 0.6 when um when um Sveta says something about that. Like, you are mad waiting for her your mom to visit. You are mad when she was there. And you were mad if she didn't come at all.
01:15:02
Speaker
So it's like, you were, like, it's it sucks. and The whole thing sucked. Everything sucks. And, like, they know what that feels like. And the fact that Victoria hears him say that and is like, I got you. understand.
01:15:17
Speaker
And then still chooses to, like, keep an eye on him. yeah. I liked that. I thought that was ah that was good.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And yet Victoria does still follow him anyway for a bit just to be on the safe side. But it's it feels like it doesn't feel like like she hasn't told him like she's going to. Like this isn't like ah an obligation anymore. It's like for her own...
01:15:46
Speaker
I don't even want to say sanity, but like for her own kind like conscience. that she Her own conscience, yeah. Yeah, that she's going to keep an eye on him. It's because she is a good person, I think, right? like she i think the flip side of this is that um for for Rain, what he doesn't realize maybe, and and this is rare, so a lot of people maybe don't have it, is that when you have a genuine friend,
01:16:12
Speaker
they will make the effort to always help you. Right. Even if it is difficult every time. Um, and you know, there are, I think that there are a lot of, you know, a lot of people that don't get that. They don't have that experience of somebody who is willing to help you no matter what. Like I remember like, uh,
01:16:34
Speaker
my My parents live in Georgia and ah with our first pregnancy after the birth, ah my wife had some health scares and my mom drove up from Georgia almost unprompted to come help us.
01:16:47
Speaker
And like, you know, when you feel, and I know that's a mom thing, not a friend, but we've also had friends who've just come and help us at different times just out of the blue or without hardly any prompting. They're like,
01:16:59
Speaker
Hey, we heard this happened. We're coming over with something to help you. i don't know. And I think that's probably a lot of it is that um a lot of these people haven't had that that kind of relationship with anyone.
01:17:10
Speaker
And that's very sad. I would even argue that not a lot not all lot of moms not all moms would do that either. and like Yeah, true. truevi Victoria's mom sucks. so yeah Yeah. ah Also, as an aside, welcome to Vic. Welcome to the stream.
01:17:27
Speaker
Glad you're here. Vic! um a As Beefaroni said, you would be mad all the time, too, if Carol Dallin was related to you. Yeah, for real. Yeah, probably. um I also don't want to miss or not acknowledge 2 plus 4 said cutting the world in half would just add a new tectonic fault line, but the planet's gravity would still hold it together.
01:17:45
Speaker
And I just reject that scientific logic and want to imagine an anime where they cut the world in half. um with nick Let me have nice things too. Yeah, don't don't throw science at us, okay? don't don't i don't even sure Don't give me gravity in nonsense. sense none and Logic. of line, correct. But he's not wrong. Yeah, he's not wrong. Yeah.
01:18:04
Speaker
he's out a line but correct um but he's not wrong is not wrong yeah yeah um yeah ah
01:18:18
Speaker
Vic just sorry. Vic just Vic just Carol is the anti-milk. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes, absolutely. Carol is the anti-milk. Anti-milk. know Yeah.
01:18:30
Speaker
She's a bit more of a bit more of a milk if you will. Yes. Yes. Mother I'd like to kill. Yep. Yep. No, if there was a ah I think somewhere later I wrote oh man if I had a gun.
01:18:45
Speaker
Coil Sniper? the Yeah, Coil Sniper. I would like to, if I did say Smash for ah Carol during our Smash or Pass Patreon special, I would like to retroactively rescind that.
01:18:59
Speaker
i would like re-dact yeah yeah i'm gonna take that back a retraction yep i was gonna say i can find out but we'll let the patrons go yeah i need you to re-edit that video uh take that out for a little sensor we were wrong to trying to think of like what would be the worst fuck mary kill that we could include carol in to make it an actually tough decision Kenzie's dad.
01:19:27
Speaker
Kenzie's dad? It's just parents. That's what I wanted to be. wanted to
Mark's Apology to Victoria
01:19:34
Speaker
be on parents. You can't put Danny on that list. I'm trying to think of one more terrible parent.
01:19:41
Speaker
um terrible Or like weird or like weird weird parent. I mean, Heartbreaker could be on there, but he's the only one. Heartbreaker. He's also Well, listen. he also how well well listen okay we got a sure I'm sure we'll run into a parent at some point. Michael's face. Just Michael being so over our bullshit. Sorry. Oh, is it so obvious?
01:20:08
Speaker
Speaking of parents, though... um We get a good good little Marky Mark scene where he he apologizes to Victoria, which I appreciate. Yeah. Mark is a pass.
01:20:20
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I appreciate. Yeah, he gets a bit of a pass. He's a bit of a sad boy it a sad boy. He is the definition of sad boy. i I don't know if I want to give him a pass just yet. We'll we'll let him sit on hot coals for a little bit longer. And then we'll give him a pass.
01:20:36
Speaker
Is it Mark in in in Amy's interlude in Worm that's where she's Is it Mark that who she fixes his brain? Mm-hmm. Yep. It is, yeah. Because she said she wouldn't because she doesn't do brains, but she's totally fine fucking her sister. That's why that's why he gets he gets a pass for that scene.
01:20:53
Speaker
Yeah, he's got a he's got a lot going on like because he comes out swinging as soon as he does. He really does. He does. He has the whole thing about like, like your mom very convincing.
01:21:10
Speaker
I wanted to believe that There was a possibility here. Like I wanted to believe it so badly. i was willing to look past the fact that like we don't trust your mom.
01:21:22
Speaker
I yeah, no, I do feel for him. you see Yeah, he's he's a real Nels. He needs to get. What did you just say, Ellen? I said he's a real Nels.
01:21:33
Speaker
No, absolutely. No, absolutely. Are we talking about the same Nels? Because It's a little house on the prairie. Okay, yeah. Nels Olsen.
Appreciating Apologies and Parental Challenges
01:21:43
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Nerds. We lost all of our listeners. Nels stands up sometimes.
01:21:50
Speaker
Our viewer, Nels, stands up sometimes. Occasionally he has a back thumb. He finds it. Crashing. Anyways. Yeah. ah Also, Vic, we're in ARC 3 right now, right?
01:22:04
Speaker
yeah Yeah, we're in the middle of our career. We're about to in the middle our career. We're in our career We'll get there in a future time. um yep I just appreciate that he does apologize, and I think that yeah that is something that just generally for parents is a difficult thing to do, especially parents of that age that he is.
01:22:26
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Yeah.
Humorous Superpower Banter
01:22:28
Speaker
And he ah he is willing to at least say, I understand you're still mad at me. You should be. i was wrong. I let myself believe something that wasn't obviously true, and I'm very sorry. He's so straightforward about it.
01:22:44
Speaker
Yeah, I do appreciate it. That's what I like about it. is He's like, yeah, I i screwed up. I messed up. like yeah I'm so sorry. But then he's also like, so you're doing this team thing.
01:22:55
Speaker
You know who you should talk to about that, right? It's upsetting. Yeah, I know. right It's rough because it's like, oh, how many lawyers do you know in the superhero world? And it's like, bangs head against table.
01:23:09
Speaker
I know. Like, there's a lot of fun. It's literally the superhero lawyer person. Yeah. yeah
01:23:21
Speaker
Vic, we did kind of answer that a little bit at the beginning, but I didn't realize yet the bank robbery was Worms Arc 3. So again, comparison of pace. We were talking at the beginning. Oh my gosh, are you serious? yeah yeah Comparison of pace, we're like, Ward is way slower. we're We're into it, but it's way slower. And more words, too.
01:23:42
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More words to get there. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. yeah And many more words. There you go All right. Anything else about 3.5? Uh, let's see. Um, think we talked before, this is mentioned before, but, uh, oh no, no, we're skip that. Um, I love the line. I'm cursed with the impulse to help people.
01:24:05
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It's an epidemic.
01:24:10
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Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was fun. And then, uh, just talking about all the, ah the the cool like villain places that they could stake out and one of them is called the tea shop yeah which I'd like to think is Tattletail's base of operations but I mean no we've already used the pun we've established the Tattletail you can get your Tattletail merch mmm mmm Oh, does that need to be a new t-shirt?
01:24:40
Speaker
T's in chat if you know what I'm talking about. tattle t-shirt? A tattle t-shirt and it's tattle's tea house. But two T's in chat for tattle tale. Yeah.
01:24:51
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T's in chat.
01:24:55
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Meaday. Meaday. Yep. Yeah. No, that's going to be that's gonna be my like my thing being like, boys, spoilers. Like, being like, T's in chat.
01:25:06
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Come on.
01:25:09
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yeah yeah yeah love it see that's what see if that's the case and there's a spoiler in
Creative Use of Superpowers
01:25:16
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the chat i say like tease and chat which should just flood the chat with just the letter t that way it like moves up and out of sight just a million t's and chat quick that's funny There's like a tea emoji, right? Like a little teacup emoji too. You could just do a bunch of tea emojis. There's the teas. There we go. Hey, people. There's the teas. Thank you. they yeah There's so many fun ways to do it. like you know I feel like you're like, oh yeah, TT. And then it's like, TT.
01:25:49
Speaker
all right. Next chapter. There we go. I'm speeding. Go. Go. To the top. To the top. We can take you to the top. Oh, my God. I was going to say, one of the things... To the moon. These diamond tees.
01:26:06
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um Yeah, that's all I had for 3.5. Gun. And ice cream shop?
01:26:15
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Oh, oh, well oh, and before that, ah we see the fun use of the momentum power where he just gets off the train and just stops. huh Oh, yeah. that Love that power.
01:26:28
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Love that fun use of power right there. Pretty good. God, I, ooh, somebody's got the, ah one the copper, oh, Vic, with the, um the proper copper pot for tea.
01:26:42
Speaker
Reminds me of the the song, All I Want is a Proper Cup of Coffee, made in a proper cup of coffee pot. Yeah. Proper cup of coffee. I may be off my dot, but I want a proper coffee in a proper cup of pot.
01:26:56
Speaker
Iron coffee pots and tin coffee pots, they are no use to me. If I can't have a proper cup of coffee in a proper cup of coffee pot, have a cup of tea. How do we mute, Alan? come um come on that was great no it was Alan that was I was impressed I was thinking along in my head a little bit slower than you but you know also we are one one short of T's to the top can I get one more T for me they're all the way to the top I mean they're are they're past the top there we to the moon let's go to the moon yeah
01:27:33
Speaker
all right now righty The team visits the warden's office for this time. The deals are done, the targets are set, and fights with old teammates do not happen.
01:27:46
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Oh, Lord.
01:27:51
Speaker
Bernard reminding us about the heartbroken children making that one guy at the end of the war do the I am a little teapot. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
01:28:04
Speaker
Rain's mover power
Moonsong and Tristan's Interaction
01:28:05
Speaker
from 2+. Rain's mover power should be the opposite of negative 2 because it's the opposite of movering. love it. It's re-movering, you might say.
01:28:15
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Oh, snap. Oh, snap. Anyways. Real de-mover rating. Okay, we can move on.
01:28:26
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ah Yeah, 3.6. We've got the fortress. We've got Moonbeam. I'm sorry, Moonsong.
01:28:35
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ah right Moonsong. Yep. Yep. yep I love, a I love basically they go in there. Moonsong walks out and she just looks right at Tristan like, you bitch.
01:28:49
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It's like immediately aggressive. oh fast too.
01:28:54
Speaker
Who's the other guy with them? Who's like, what?
01:29:01
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I'm trying to remember. I don't remember names. What's his name? Trinity or something? Bernard, to explain the moonbeam thing, ah moonbeam is a spell in D&D.
01:29:13
Speaker
ah It calls down a massive beam of light from the sky. It's magical. I love it. It's one of my favorite spells. It's a great spell. and ah yeah it's a yeah It's a memory for us when somebody casts it at a particular moment in the campaign that we were all in.
01:29:31
Speaker
It's very satisfying to yell moonbeam. You just have holler. Yeah, you have to holler moonbeam. Yell moonbeam. Yeah. Yeah. um Also, Vic might be the only one who knows this.
01:29:43
Speaker
Vic, it's a moonbeam in the black hand with the dragon. It's moonbeam. That's what that is. Just letting you know. We may continue. Sorry.
01:29:57
Speaker
Very nice. Side quests today. oo ah Sorry. yeah i we Yeah. um I love Kenzie's anti picture countermeasures. Yeah.
01:30:09
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Her little glitchy thing. That was another reason why I was like, something's up with Kenzie. There's more going on that we know about. we got to turn it off.
01:30:19
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Yeah. Yeah. What?
01:30:24
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I'm just saying that she had to turn off her power, her like she's got a face. Oh, yeah. like yes Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's the paparazzi catcher. um Also, let's I and would kill Carol in a heartbeat.
01:30:38
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ah yeah I was just looking back through the arc to see who the name of this other character is. As I was scrolling, I saw um they've got statues of key members. So we've got people we know, Chevalier.
01:30:50
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Narwhal, Valkyrie, Legend, and Miss Militia. so we know those. But Stonewall and Top Flight, I don't know that we've encountered. I don't think we've ever even heard those names before.
01:31:03
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you thank you for a Tribute is the name of the other cape. Yes. I was close with Trinity. Starts with a T. And, uh... And then, yeah, we've got, I like the display boards for each of the teams that are kind of under the Wardens.
01:31:19
Speaker
Yeah. we've got the Advance Guard, the Foresight, the Attendants, the Shepherds, and then smaller teams like Kings of the Hill, Wayfinders, and Navigators. All I can think of with Kings of the Hill are the is the show, King of the Hill.
01:31:32
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um And I just imagine it's like four heroes standing outside of a very small territory just drinking beer and going, Yep. Yep. Yep.
01:31:42
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Yeah. um
Superhero Merchandise and Branding
01:31:43
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Didn't we see the Kings of the Hill? Because they're like the Texas. but Aren't they the Texas based group that has a young buck? That was just the Texas words. We don't know if that's them again, though.
01:31:55
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, you're right. You're right. i'm ah if Young buck feels like he would be the rookie of the Kings of the Hill team. Young buck, get over here. You see, they're all, of course, good they got their their beers, so they're like, i you know, we need to do a patrol.
01:32:10
Speaker
You know, you you take you take the quadrant round cock-wise, and we'll ah we'll we'll go up the middle, we'll meet back right here Young Book, ah take take Clay Pigeon with you. yeah As Vic said, that hero ain't right.
01:32:24
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That hero ain't That hero ain't right. Yeah. Alan, did you say clockwise? We'll pretend said clockwise. We'll pretend you said that. Yeah, we'll pretend you said clockwise.
01:32:35
Speaker
Is that not what I said? Michael and I both looked at each other and made faces. It was a bit of a cock-wise. was a bit of one of those. You're going a cock-wise rotation. God damn it, Bobby. You can't go to the slaughterhouse. God damn it, Bobby. can't go to the slaughterhouse. Oh, my gosh.
01:33:01
Speaker
Yep. Oh, that's funny. God damn it, Bobby. right I love the ah the gift shop ah conversation, too, where they're like, Tristan's like, oh, is Weld getting a statue?
01:33:13
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Spenta's like, nobody's got some stuff in the gift shop. And he's like, oh, we're going to the gift shop later, aren't we? It's so great. I
01:33:21
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it. Oh, my gosh. I love it. yeah ah Let's see. Back to Carol. um oh Way to bring it down.
01:33:34
Speaker
You know, it's ups and downs here on out. Oh, gosh. See, she was doing fine. She was fine. She was keeping it civil. She was keeping it professional. And then she fucking threw in the... You
Speculation on Legal Help and Mr. Kaye
01:33:47
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know what want to sit down with? A shotgun.
01:33:50
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That's what I want to sit down with. happy, Carol. u who
01:33:58
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yeah ah ah the worst geral
01:34:03
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and I'll say I wrote down, they were talking about, hey, I might get you somebody to like help out. I have crossed my fingers and hoped in my heart of hearts. Oh, no. Yeah.
01:34:17
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what Yes, Hannah? No, continue. No, no, no. I want to hear you say it. I want to hear you say it. I want it to be our boy. want it to be Kaie. Yeah.
01:34:28
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I wanted to be so bad. He was so great. I loved him so much. I believe, even if he doesn't become their lawyer, that he's like retired to a nice beachfront property somewhere, helping people, being lovely, just doing good, doing the Lord's work.
01:34:47
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as he Mr. Kaye was sleeper the whole time. He can like put his towel over there leave yeah yeah and That's funny.
01:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. i wish It would be lovely to see him again. Like I said, I really kind of what I want is a book where it's basically just Dr. Yamada and Mr. Kaye doing stuff with heroes, but it's a legal drama and a psychological drama.
01:35:15
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Yeah. yeah
Dot's Character Development
01:35:16
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like that can like Can I get, i once again, Law & Order PRT would be the best show imaginable. Yeah, it would be good, Law & Order. Can I get, is there a Kissing Kaye fanfic?
01:35:30
Speaker
Can somebody confirm, is there a Kissing Kaye fanfic? And if not, do I need to write it? i mean, yes. i just need to know if it's out there already or if I need to get on that.
01:35:43
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I mean, probably both. While they answer, all I can think of is Caillou, unfortunately. i was thinking the same thing. Michael, I got you. I was thinking the same thing. I wish I wasn't, but it's in there.
01:35:58
Speaker
It's too similar. It's in the old noggin. yeah No, I don't want to hear about that. ah See, Fuck You, Moon Song. That's a good one. Yeah, Fuck Moon Song. Gosh, what a... Vic, would you guys watch a show called Everybody Hates Carol?
01:36:13
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No, because then I'd have to see Carol. Oh, actually, you know, Alan has a point. Alan has a point. then It gives her more screen time. We don't need that. Yeah. No, she doesn't need that.
01:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, no, she doesn't need more attention. She needs ah good shaming and then put her in the corner. shame Shame. Shame. Shame.
01:36:37
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ah Two plus, we're going to get to Wild Bo's opinions on Caillou. I would love to hear those. What? If that's real. if that's real ah That's real. That's hilarious. Please tell us, I guess. Yeah, I need to know that immediately. You you type that out. We'll get back to that in a second. ah Do we want to have anything more on Moonsong when we pass that?
01:36:59
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i just I think we should talk about it a little bit. ah Since this is the most screen time or page time that Byron has had ah up to this point, um I love how like chill he is.
01:37:17
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ah He's super quick to be like, like Moonsung, like while I appreciate it, I'm fine. Please, can you calm down? Like, he seems like he just really doesn't want to be bothered. He
Curiosity About Tristan and Byron
01:37:28
Speaker
doesn't want to be ah considered in terms of what's going on here. Like he's like, he's stuck in the sidecar at this point. Like he doesn't really want to be in involved, invested. And it's like Moonsung has drawn him out into this now. And I understand she's trying to make sure he's okay.
01:37:44
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But like,
01:37:47
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She to chill. Leave him alone. I mean, I'm glad I get to see him, but like, leave him alone, please. Yeah, it's, ah ah you know, your reaction the ah the other night was ah very different. This is very subdued.
01:38:04
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This is so much more subdued. I believe what you said was, this Byron, this Byron, this Byron, but this Byron, I think it was something like that.
01:38:15
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i was I just finished the chapter. I was like, tucked in bed. i was like, really passionate about it. I just, here's the thing. um Bernard, I'll summarize the ah Wild Bocai thing in a second. Okay.
01:38:27
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I'm not, I... I'm going to go into the long tirade that I went into the other night about like taking the different people and putting them over here. i think you should. yeah Okay. The shortened version is um we already know about Sveta. Put her over here.
01:38:44
Speaker
um um Ashley, ah cool, but also like she's just mad and angry all the time. Okay. Put her over here. ah Chris seems great, but his power seems like relatively monstrous and that's cool. Okay, great. We'll find out. so Okay, fine. Put him over here.
01:38:59
Speaker
ah Who does that leave? That leaves. Okay. Rain's being hunted. Great. Put him over here. Kenzie. Okay. Interesting. Kenzie. What's going on with Kenzie? I don't know. Okay. We'll move Kenzie over here.
01:39:13
Speaker
Justin Byron. I am so thirsty. Okay. Oh, Nick. I'll just keep ranting for a second. ah Tristan Byron, I'm like so thirsty in a non-sexual way for their story. Like, I want to know what the is going on and I want to know what happened.
01:39:33
Speaker
And like, I'm convinced that there's like, like when, when, when Miss Yamada was like, oh, got to worry about somebody in the group. We were all like, oh, it's Ashley. And then I was like, oh, it's maybe it's Kenzie.
01:39:44
Speaker
Maybe it's fucking Capricorn. Like maybe they're the issue. This is my my red string. So maybe, maybe, maybe it's them the whole time. Like maybe they're the ones you have to worry about. Like Tristan seems all nice and all, but what if he isn't?
01:39:57
Speaker
What if Tristan is a total sociopath? Like we we saw something, something the fuck is going on. And then this was where I had my thought earlier, which Nick brought up about the whole, maybe he was the one who hired the hit man. Like, oh my gosh, like what the fuck?
01:40:11
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So like there's there's some weird shit going on. So like to have to have Byron on page like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Like, like Alan said, more souls. I'm I'm hoovering it up. Give me the crumbs. Like I fucking love this. I love having Byron on page.
01:40:25
Speaker
I need more of it because he's like, there's shit going on. Like there's there's so much shit going on. Like I must know.
01:40:35
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um Yeah, I was like ranting and raving. yeah Was that last night? When I finished the chapter? think it was last night. it was It was a great rant. It was a great rant.
01:40:48
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I just... ah Yeah, I just... i feel like there's so much that needs to be unpacked with them, and I just don't...
01:41:00
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I need more of it sooner, faster, right in my veins. And
Time Manipulation Mechanics
01:41:05
Speaker
the fact that I don't have it yet is a slightly upsetting. Yeah. ah to and um ah To that, I did hear that as well, Hannah, just to add on to that.
01:41:13
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um i I wouldn't be surprised if Miss Yamada knows a lot of that too, because Capricorn is the only one who is really an established hero. And so he probably has a longer file than Capricorn.
01:41:28
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ah than any of the others do, right? Besides Sveto's because Sveto was in the facility too. But in terms of established hero history, Capricorn had that. So I could imagine that she's like, I know this guy and he's pretty fucked up. Like, let's, dress yeah he's the, he's that one.
01:41:46
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Um, yeah. So there were some, there were some, uh, accusations thrown about Capricorn being pretty awful person.
01:41:58
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um So, yeah. Before we move too far past Caillou, let's just get this out of the way. So, i'm I'm going to take it, since this was sent to me by one of our patrons, I'm going to take this as ah true because it's a screenshot of, I believe, a Discord conversation Wildbow has.
01:42:19
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ah His thoughts on Caillou. He's an awful little dickwipe. It's fundamentally bad programming for children that teaches them to be brats. You have shows like Bluey, which I almost had my Bluey mug out tonight, but I chose my Zelda one instead.
01:42:31
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ah With nuanced characters and morals and depth and themes and humor and good writing. It's inspired parents and children both learn lessons. Then you have Caillou. If you have an episode where he bites a baby, gets scolded for five seconds, then gets rewarded.
01:42:43
Speaker
Do you know what the moral the episode is? Bite baby, get reward. Yep. Steal toy, friend upset, get to keep toy. Steal toy, get toy. Throws a pants-shitting tantrum because you got the wrong day wrong and didn't get to go to the circus.
01:42:58
Speaker
Get to play with dad. I've cosat babysat rooms full of kids with the show on no control over that, and had them turn into a pack of whiny velociraptors immediately after.
01:43:10
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And then somebody said, he's my French-Canadian representation. And Wildo said, don't put that on Quebec. um I'm so glad I said Caillou for no reason. From Caillou.
01:43:21
Speaker
Yeah, I am too. It's so nice to know random how right Wild Bo is. Oh, that's fantastic. that's I would love to now see a... I mean, I know who the... but like Everybody submits their top like children's show from your country.
01:43:39
Speaker
And like, you know, a smackdown of children's shows. Do we need a children's show Yeah. I think,
Humor in World-Building
01:43:49
Speaker
you know what? Patreon content. Children's show back bracket patron content.
01:43:53
Speaker
I want to be seeing ah the bluey crewy go up against ah this the whatever Paw Patrol and and we're going to see how that throwdown goes down. Let me tell you. Yeah. First, I'll tell you, Caillou, Caillou's got nobody in his core. Caillou is on his own.
01:44:09
Speaker
Caillou's getting run the fuck out I don't even know how it's a thing. It's crazy. It's a wash over. I don't know who allowed this. know No, you know what? We'll we'll pair up Caillou with Peppa Pig. They're both equally annoying. Peppa's not great. ah ah Bernard, i would I would argue that a lot of those shows are...
01:44:29
Speaker
from ah a little bit ago, like, Caillou's not a recent show. Caillou's old. In fact, I would say, while there are a bunch of, like, Cocoa Melon-type shows, Bluey has been a standout.
01:44:42
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um And that is a very recent show. and um And I would say, too, that it's is one of those things where there are always great and bad shows. Like, when I think of the PBS era, for example, there are some great shows when I was growing up, you know, that I think are genuinely still hold up and are pretty good.
01:44:59
Speaker
um Versus there were shows back then like Caillou that weren't great for kids. And, you know, and then you've got like a weird shows for older kids, you know?
01:45:12
Speaker
Yeah, we'll save it. We'll save the content. All right. Yeah. And then I have, let's see.
01:45:19
Speaker
all right um yeah and then i have ah let's see ah talking about Brio, the stylistic enthusiasm ah for like the Brio. ah that That is what ah there's the character. I'm sorry. Yeah, the the pirate guy, the pirate guy.
01:45:40
Speaker
Yeah. Pirate leader. mean, that's what he's described as. Absolutely. Once again, is just the pirate. He's got the one foot up on the chair. Exactly. It's what's the guy from She-Ra?
01:45:55
Speaker
You know what talking about. was thinking the Captain Morgan pose on the bottle. But be yeah, but basically it's good. Hold on. We'll figure it
Negotiation Processes and Humorous Contracts
01:46:04
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out in a second. Han Solo at the Canteen.
01:46:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's that vibe. But... um Seahawk. Captain Seahawk. You know, it's just this all this panache. And I love it so much. But...
01:46:17
Speaker
for those of you who grew up in a very Christian conservative environment, you remember the breakaway magazine for boys and the female equivalent was Brio. I never knew what Brio meant. I thought that was a made up word.
01:46:29
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See Fran balls. No Seahawk. um Brio though means stylistic enthusiasm. And I'm going to start incorporating that in my everyday vocabulary. Cause if there's nothing, ah you know, if nothing else I have Brio and I, I always want to share it. So,
01:46:47
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i i i love I love this word now. It stands for what? Say it again. Stylistic enthusiasm. See, when I looked up Brio, it immediately gave me Brio Italian Restaurant Grill.
01:47:03
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allen He's an Italian pirate. ah There you go. um And then aside from that, they sit down, they talk with them, and then they get to what I like to call, let's make a deal.
01:47:19
Speaker
ye Yeah. yeah yeah Which, you know, basically... Basically, yeah, them saying... Basically, Brio's thing is like, yeah, if you get good... but It feels like a non-deal almost where you're like, yeah, you have our approval to get Intel and sell it to us. It's like, okay. yeah Cool. And if it's good, we'll use it and maybe you'll get some money for it. yeah this is This is really funny I just spent the other night with ah talking about contract law with somebody and ah learning about like how contracts are formed and ah you know what they're doing here. I need to go back and reread it now that I have this in mind. But this code if the laws are still applying.
01:48:06
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This could be a binding contract like. ah well I need to go back and go over the wording of it, but. It'd be really
Challenges of Time Travel Narratives
01:48:14
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funny to be like, no, no, when he said that, like yeah he has to deliver if they come in.
01:48:20
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ye But I'll reread that. The most interesting part of this conversation, though, has got to be the team's that come up the speed runners as a villain group. Yes.
01:48:35
Speaker
So cool. Oh my gosh. And their names are great. They've got secondhand final hour and last minute. Like what a great team name.
01:48:47
Speaker
That's awesome. and And then they've got two thinkers brain dead and bird brain. I love it. Amazing. So much. You know, while I just had a blast coming up with that. Oh, that's amazing.
01:49:01
Speaker
Amazing team. The vibe you get is that they like are paid to sweep the entire town. But like because they're time manipulators, it's probably like they pause time in the town, run through real like real real quick on their own time looking for things out of place and then, you know, set it back in motion. So nobody ever notices the sweep happening.
01:49:23
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. one yeah And they mentioned that final hour can they can have meetings in banked time streams. Like, what does that mean? It means you save up time and then you you cast it in in like a small area. Oh, that's so cool. Leet's legacy goes on.
01:49:40
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ah ah Leet only wishes he could be this cool. for Yeah, for real. ah You know, but they walk, the speedrunners walk ah where Leet floundered on the ground.
01:49:55
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Which, I can screw. That is absolutely... I will say, though, I feel like, and correct me if I'm wrong, did we have any time manipulators in Wyrm?
01:50:06
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yeah Because we did. Okay, who is who is the time... i mean, okay, Coil. Coil, sure. Well, okay. That's not the one I'm thinking It was more of timelines. So...
01:50:18
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It's the closest we had that I could remember. Yeah, it's closest. i was just trying to think of who we had that I could remember. Was there a time manipulator? I feel, like and and chat can correct me, but I feel like there is a time manipulator.
01:50:29
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yeah be one that The one that's mistakenly, oh, well, a gray boy. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, not no, not gray boy. No, yeah kills a cord.
01:50:40
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Yeah, Perdition. The trap. The Perdition. Oh, the Clockwalker. Clockwalker, okay. Clockwalker, don't think is... It's not time manipulator, though. Exactly. that's just like us I mean, it might be, kind of. Stasis kind of effect.
01:50:55
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Yeah, fear of time travel. ah yeah Okay. Oh, okay. um The other one I was thinking of that gets mistaken for... There's one person that I think of that gets mistaken for a time manipulator, I think, because it's in their name.
01:51:11
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The leader of the Adepts was... ah No. Although that is... The leader of the Adepts is mentioned to be that, but we don't see them. I'm thinking about... Is it hour...
01:51:21
Speaker
eleventh hour Or it's somebody whose name sounds me but sounds like that, where yeah it feels like a time thing, but they're just like putting them to sleep kind of. And you have to like get, and she like gets the bugs to like bite her to wake her back up or to like make her throw up.
01:51:37
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um Well, and that's, well, and that's why and that's why yeah I actually felt like that was a power set that maybe Wildbow had particularly avoided because time manipulation can get really tricky of like, well, why doesn't that guy just always rewind time?
01:51:53
Speaker
Um, yeah but the idea of sort of limited time manipulation, um, is kind of an interesting thing. And I'm curious how he'll work that out, uh, here with this, because it's a time manipulation. I feel like is a really easy power to just, um,
01:52:12
Speaker
to, to kind of write yourself into a corner with. So, yeah. I don't know. Yeah. The, the real thing is like the, the only one that can really affect time is I guess, fear say, and that is why is such a, like essentially a, a tier, you know, S tier cape.
01:52:34
Speaker
Um, why they, why he's so, uh, who he is. Yeah. Yeah, because there's a lot of like stasis effects like Greyboy or Clockblocker and there's a lot of yeah, the hurt hypnosis girl who changes. And it's all self-inducing like Greyboy can. Yeah, self-inducing. Small area and can do it to others.
01:52:58
Speaker
There's not and there's not anybody who like does the whole Superman fly around the world and reverse all of time kind of thing. Yeah. So i'm I'm just interested to see how it plays because I'm time powers can get can get weird.
01:53:12
Speaker
yeah And you end up in that situation where you're like, well, why doesn't Superman just do that? Every time. Why doesn't Doctor Who just go back and fix it?
01:53:24
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yeah For real. Because it was in a time lock. ah okay You couldn't do it Nothing ever is. First off, if there's one thing I know about the Doctor Who show, it's as soon as you come up with a thing, it's like the next season is about coming up with something that breaks that thing. So there's probably a time key that unbreaks the time lock so that he can go back and do it. The heart of the TARDIS. Yeah, you got to trust in the heart of the TARDIS to get your blue eyes.
01:53:50
Speaker
What about the time? i really break out i know about doctor who The only thing I know about Doctor Who is that they have some pretty cool magic cards. but
New Threat: The Machine Army
01:54:03
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Oh ah um oh yeah, the one end bringer with the time ah pyramids. so cons do and yeah Yeah, that move time really fast and then also can stick the bubbles. yeah It was the bubbles.
01:54:21
Speaker
yeah the time Yeah, the weird bubble. Because then like you would get stuck in it and age really rapidly and just... Once again, that's like yeah yeah but once again that's like Yeah, yeah.
01:54:33
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Okay. Okay. Interlude? Interlude.
01:54:39
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Interlude. All right. Interlude three point x Dot. I feel like I should do like a Gollum voice for this one. Like, that's how I imagine Dot speaks. You should do it in Ratcatcher's voice.
01:54:51
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Yeah. Containment broken on Earth, bet. Many active but exp exponential threats. Dot undergoes the desperate mission to free Nilbog to save their people.
01:55:04
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Dot is rebuffed after a hard journey, but finds a new friend in Amy. Okay, so that was funny, but Ratcatcher 100% has a recorder that she uses to record her like journal every day. nope ah self Love it.
01:55:22
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Yeah. Not to self. Not to self.
01:55:29
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ah Great interlude saves the arc in all honesty. but It really did. It really did. It's so good.
01:55:39
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i got to find. Actually, I'm not even going to speak yet. Let me find. there's ah There's a line that I really like in this arc. i'm going to pull it up. Well, you find it. ah Did anybody else feel? who I don't know if anybody in chat has seen Return to Oz.
01:55:55
Speaker
But for some reason, this gave me strong Return to Oz vibes. It didn't... and now you're now you've Now that you've said it, I see it I don't like it, but I see it.
01:56:08
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I don't like it either. Like, it's just there.
01:56:15
Speaker
ah that whole The whole Costco shop is basically just a giant hive of mimics. I love it. Did I miss?
01:56:25
Speaker
Do we know what those things are or no? It's machine army. It's the new machine army, I guess. Yeah, but yeah I'm drawing a huge blank. Where did where did they come from? no No origin point.
01:56:37
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Yeah. Brand new. spanking new. All the problems we have to deal with. ah You know, they're talking about like sleepers still out there. We still have all these issues with all these other planets.
01:56:50
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um You know, the Endbringers are, you know, us essentially in stasis or, you know, just stopped doing things. And ah now we have new problems on the rise with, ah you know, unrest and also the machine army running over the old planet. We fought God and we won.
01:57:09
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And now we get to fight the machines. Yes. Yes. Yeah. yeah Yeah. I mean, I'm fucking here for it. That was amazing. So good.
01:57:20
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gary Very, very cool. ah Bernard, will'll we'll get to that question too because that's ah that's one we we'll be asking at the end. um But yeah, the Machine Army and their mimic, like they're they're moving and they were supposed to not go across the ah the raleigh ah Raleigh chasm or whatever, which I'm assuming is like them making their way maybe north.
01:57:43
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Through North Carolina up to Boston, California. don't know. I mean, I'm here for it It's amazing. Yeah. Terrifying.
01:57:56
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um that I put ah especially versus Dots, you know, the rest of Dots crew ah looks like the Machine Army beat the Bio Army. o Well, we knew they would, so...
01:58:09
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I mean, that's just the inevitability of the machine takeover. That's why say thank you to ChatGPT whenever I use it, so hopefully they treat me nicely. i yeah I say thank you to Alexa because i because I don't want her to turn on me.
01:58:21
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She's sitting on my desk. I try to stay ah on her good side. There you go. Yep. yeah
01:58:30
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I'll always give her a little kiss before bed, just a little. Yeah. yeah Yeah. it Do me last, please. Do me last!
01:58:42
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Jacob, did you find your
Rant on Amy's Character Motivations
01:58:43
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thing you were looking for? I did. I found... So, this was... I remember this line because we were talking about the way the Captain the Flag fight is written to be...
01:58:54
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overtly detailed the little bit here uh she's she's uh dot has snuck past rat catchers in the sewers faces the rats it's a couple lines she drew her box cutter extending the blade and sized up her opponents three rats against her and her box cutter it might have been an even fight but she had her devotion to her king on her side she would rescue her king That's the fight scene.
01:59:18
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And it's... and that yeah And the next scene is her limping like chewed up and bloody through the tube. Yep. Like ah it's... yeah it That was a more intense and satisfying fight scene in like a paragraph hundred than the entire chapter of 3.4 or whatever.
01:59:37
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My imagination could fill in the blanks just fine there. So well. So well. ah So well. Really lovely. Really lovely. it it What goes to show...
01:59:47
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Wild Bo, as we know, can write really good. we That's never been in question. And yeah that like poor writing is like the outlier. I don't know if it's why this way now other than just like I'm going to take my time with it.
02:00:04
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I feel like with the inner lids, he can get he can get fun. Like this is a chance to like really just play and have a good. Now we just play. As opposed to like the storyline, all the chapters, like you're trying to hit all the beats, you're trying to do all the right setup. He's trying to explain powers and stuff too, right? With the other ones. So that's kind of the limitation. There's a lot more rigidity that he has to work with.
02:00:28
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and We should always just have the the like disclaimer going across the screen. Yeah. Let's not forget this was a first draft web serial without any editing.
02:00:41
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And I think sometimes like after six months of ah of a ah little paragraph, I'm like, man, I cooked. But like if you read the first version of anything I've ever read again. it' So like it's with the caveat is always it notwithstanding that this is always a first draft. So it's crazy. um and let And let it never be forgotten.
02:01:04
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We love Wild Boat to death. Like, yeah there's a reason why we started a fucking podcast about his books because we love them so much. Yeah. Like... Yeah, exactly.
02:01:16
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Yeah. Let it never be forgotten. might gripe and get upset about chapter four, arc three. but the man knows how to tell a story that... For sure.
02:01:28
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Yeah, exactly. um I have Rat Catcher catching rats. ah Finally. yeah I love her. I love her. i She's amazing. um Also, ah just I forget if it's a line or it's just me, but like I just have the line, ha ha, she sees this tiny penis.
02:01:51
Speaker
Oh, yeah. What was that? I can sense a really small thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. That was amazing. That was great. I do like Ratcatcher. What a great character. Oh, Ratcatcher. I just thought we got to see her again after the last interlude with Crystal Clear.
02:02:08
Speaker
Gosh. i hope I hope she's just the reoccurring interlude character. Oh, I hope so too. It's in every interlude for no reason. ah Also, she offers, does she offer Dot? Because I kind of wasn't quite sure if that's what she was doing.
02:02:22
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Did she like offer Dot? Like, here's my pocket. Like, because it sounded like she was like offering a pocket to Dot. She gets her pocket for now. No, she gets in her pocket for a little bit. Yeah, walks around with her. She's basically I'm going to hurry Because Ratcatcher's carrying her to the vending machine to say, like, here, I'll get you some water. Just hop into my pocket for a bit.
02:02:40
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yeah Okay, okay, okay. I thought she had offered her the pocket, and then she hadn't gotten in, but she was still with her. Okay, okay. so it's Solid, solid. Love it. Love it. Love it. I need Dot to be with Ratcatcher always.
02:02:51
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I get the sense, too, that Dot is... Well, to explain, you know how, um you may not know, but octopuses and squids, they only have one solid part of their body, which is their beak.
02:03:03
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And as so long as they can squeeze the beak and the surrounding flesh inside of any crevice, they can get into stuff. And so, like, yeah, they're basically liquid. Which is why, like, some there have been a couple of instances where sailors have gone down to the bottom of their ship and found a giant squid in the hull of their ship.
02:03:19
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Like, inside, because it snuck inside. Oh, cool. That's kind of the vibe I get with how Dot's body works. Because she's like... she can like squeeze herself into these tiny spaces.
02:03:30
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Um, and I'm just imagining she's basically, she's like a ferret basically, right? Which are mostly liquid. And so, yeah, absolutely. Just like squeezing through these tiny little spaces of just like, and just getting in there. It's great.
02:03:43
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Sorry. What was that sound?
02:03:48
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I love it. Yeah, very Nielbach creation vibes with, ah I mean, obviously, but like the the all of his creations had like this fluidity to them that, yeah, yeah she definitely. A blobby-ness of sorts. Yeah, exactly.
02:04:04
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A mucusy. Well, you know, we can i find a different word. Yeah, we really can. Very moist. Very moist. no no, we don't need that out in the universe. Yeah. Also, I don't know who we're talking about here, but I just have nerd written.
02:04:23
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I'm assuming that's Rat Catcher talking about Tiny Penis Man. from Nerd? Or is it the conversation? I just have nerd.
02:04:34
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Great note, Alan. Fantastic. You know, you know. We do we do get to see...
Reflections on Redemption Themes
02:04:42
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You get to see Bonesaw again briefly. Dot can canonically unhinge her jaw all the way back.
02:04:49
Speaker
So why not unhinge all her other joints? Yeah, like the ah like yeah the vulture man from the X-Files. from a a vax file so Talk about you just squeeze in all the spaces by dislocating every part of the body and squeezing them through.
02:05:06
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Yeah. no It's like a like a flesh version of mannequin, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Like mannequin. Truly horrible. I love it, though. I love it so much. They talked about that. I also just imagine fighting the rats down in there that like that is small.
02:05:20
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Like, yeah, she's small. She's small bean. Yeah, small bean with the little box cutter. Probably as big as she is. Yeah, she's like trying to hold it like this.
02:05:32
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Oh. You know, I imagine like whipping it out and it like shink. Like, you know, the chick chick chick chick. So cool. You know, it would look so badass. She like flicks it out. When we play our mouse guard game, that's I need the the box cutter. Yeah, that's fantastic. It also made me, between looking at mouse guard and ah Dot.
02:05:54
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um I really made me want to go watch the old Watership Down animation. Yeah, Alan and I are going to watch it when we're brave. Yeah, and feeling really high. When we're having a really good day. We're going to watch Watership Down.
02:06:10
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and I can't watch Watership Down on a bad day or else I'll just crawl into the earth. i think there's a I'm trying to remember somebody famous does ah just did a recording of them like reading it um on brains failing me not Kindle not Amazon audible for audible um and apparently was really freaking good.
02:06:35
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ah two Plus added i imagine dot kind of looks like stitch from Lilo stitch but with more colors. Yeah, that's probably fair. I imagined a weird like combination of like a rat humanoid thing.
02:06:49
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I was kind of feeling lemur vibes maybe a little bit.
02:06:55
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Lemur? and just Smaller. and but home detail mentioned yeah Do you remember, is it the weasels or the ferrets or whatever creature they are from Ice Age? The two brothers? Yeah. Crash and Bash? I think they're possums. I imagine that, but with like, yeah, possums. Possums? Wait, whoa! No, they're too lanky. They're some ancient creature that's like a combination of all of them. They have possum tails. I imagine that, but like, with no hair, like naked mole rat, those.
02:07:25
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yeah No hair and like a dress on. Yeah. There you go.
02:07:33
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That works. Oh my God. You're so 100% correct. They're possums. i've I've seen them um way too many times. Michael possum expert. and nerd but Okay. That's actually upsetting because I want to be the possum expert.
02:07:47
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Well, you know, get good. I know. I'm so upset. Uh... Let's see. And then we get to see our, ah the bio, the bio masters three, our bio tinker, our bio and our bio. Red queen, Alice and the king. Something else.
02:08:07
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yeah Yeah. I loved that. I really
Moral Dilemmas and Character Judgments
02:08:12
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like you love the little line triangle. Oh yeah. This whole conversation is great. I love the little line where they mentioned Valkyrie and,
02:08:20
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ah you know, Bonesaw's like, oh, well, you know, ah the Red Queen knows Valkyrie and Nobug's like, well, I'm not surprised. Queens know each other very often. and He's just like slow still just a little bit in that not-so-reality world mind. He's doing great, though. He's making strides.
02:08:39
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you know Honestly, he seems like he's doing okay. I'm so proud him. Except that even just like accepting his fate is like, no, I'm done. What I do find it really interesting though, where he's like, basically says to Dot, there was a crucial moment and I chose the wrong people to side with.
02:08:58
Speaker
And that was my downfall. And that, of course, is that scene yeah back with the conversation between Jack and Taylor. And he's realizing, and i was wrong. I was deceived.
02:09:10
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ah What's a space? Yeah. Golem. Theo. And Golem. Yeah. Gosh, it's it's such a good scene, too. It's so heartbreaking.
02:09:21
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ah Like him, him hugging her and saying no and then saying no again and being like, oh, no, he's not just saying no to like question. Like he's he's saying no and like pushing her away and like stroking her hair and being like, oh, you were polkas, you know, polka three or polka four. Like, oh, gosh, like obviously no bogus.
02:09:44
Speaker
Creepy as fuck and that was a not exciting space to be in last time we were, you know, around him. But it's so tender, like that moment between you is so tender and sweet. Like my my poor little heart was was so tender.
02:10:00
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On the other hand, it disturbed me because it made me realize no bog creatures can reproduce. And I don't like that idea. Yeah. Up to a certain point, though, I imagine it's very like Dolly the sheep. Like there's after a certain point, there's no more. doesn't make it better, though. No, no, no. It's it's a matter of it's a matter of biomass.
02:10:22
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That's the whole thing. Yeah. The breakdown of of matter. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Because she's like you know she Polka Dot. She's the dot of Polka. And she's the she's like the third one too.
02:10:34
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She's the child of the fourth. There we go. She's the child of Polka the fourth. yeah But like, i I'm so proud of him in this moment. Like, he really is trying to work within the confines that he's been placed. Like, he's really, he had a choice here. He could he could have taken her taken her and like remade her and like really gone ham. And he didn't, like he chooses not to He like, like, no, I'm gonna, like, I'm tired. I'm old. This is it.
02:11:02
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And like, oh. God damn it. Wild Bo done it again.
02:11:13
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yeah Yeah, though as well i'm but William puts out, that's specifically the reason he's an S-class threat because S-class threats are primarily self-propagating ones.
02:11:26
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um
02:11:29
Speaker
Makes sense. ah Yeah.
02:11:34
Speaker
I love Bill Bach. He's so scary. Yeah, he's great. Danny DeVito. I like, mark i like ah what's his name? Is it Jeremy Ranke? What's his name?
02:11:45
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Jamie. Jamie Ranke. Yeah. Ranke. I just pronounced it Rink, I think. Yeah. I really like this version of them. I do too.
02:11:57
Speaker
it's It's giving like the retired Toymaker vibes. Like it's very... Let's not forget that he did he did murder an entire town just so that he could be king. He definitely did some things.
02:12:12
Speaker
But mean he took care of Dot. He took care of Dot? It's redeemed. He's redeemed. Carol, never.
02:12:23
Speaker
Carol's done nothing but save people her entire life. Fuck her. It was the big Carol. Basically, yeah. basically Not even like a terrible parent, like like like ah a yeah like ah physically abusive, all that. like She's just a shitty parent. like yeah If Millbog's technically a parent, there does that put him in? Is that our primary kill? Is it Kenzie's dad, Carol, and Millbog?
02:12:55
Speaker
Okay, okay. But if that's the case, it's like...
02:13:04
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I don't
Character Personalities and Internal Conflicts
02:13:05
Speaker
feel comfortable answering that question. No. Mary... Mary... Mary...
02:13:14
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Mary Nielbog. Here's the thing. I marry Carol for the lawyer money. Ooh. Smart. yeah Can I kill her, though? Like, can I kill her later? Yeah, yeah, After I marry her?
02:13:26
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Mary and kill. Mary and kill. Nielbog's granddad. is, you know, kind of past beekeeping age. yeah I
02:13:43
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can't. Oh my gosh. Mary Danny DeVito. Mary Danny DeVito. Yeah, that's right. As we've stated, he would be played by Danny DeVito.
02:13:54
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and Would be played by Danny DeVito. So would everybody though. So it's it's kind of hard. Danny DeVito just plays everybody. <unk> doing a bunch of costume. just Yeah. All right. And then at the very end, of course, we have the meetup between Dot and Amy.
02:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. And i don't know how that's going to go, but I have a bad feeling. Fuck Amy. I don't like the feelings. i don't I don't trust Amy at all. No. Yeah, no. She's proven herself. The slightest.
02:14:23
Speaker
Yeah. Agreed. She's proven herself to be... Not so good. And also, didn't trust her but with the beetle, with Atlas.
02:14:35
Speaker
ah Why would I trust her with Dot? Or precious, sweet, soft Dot? She tucks yeah nicely into her jacket. Dot, you need to not hang around bad influence. Go back to Ratcatcher. Ratcatcher will take care of you. Ratcatcher was great. It'll be great. You'll have a great time. Stay away from Amy. You're...
02:14:53
Speaker
Here's what else is is frustrating about Amy here to me is that unlike Victoria, it appears that Amy has kind of just been brought back into the fold of heroes. Uh-huh.
02:15:11
Speaker
I mean, she has access to Nobog. And obviously, of course, Bonesaw does too under observation. And I think part of it is that Amy's job is to basically make sure Bonesaw doesn't do anything too wacky.
02:15:23
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um is like one of her
Frustration with Character Self-Pity
02:15:24
Speaker
jobs yeah but when when nilbog asks her what are you going to be doing next like what are you up to she mentions a few ideas including i'll be at my father's side while talking to some of the most powerful people in all the known worlds i'll see my parents trying to say goodbye and yet unable to pull away or making my greetings and being pushed away or and i'll continue to feel like i'm in the wrong places every step of the way basically it sounds like she just has equal access to the hero world or maybe even greater than Victoria has.
02:15:56
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Yeah. Clearly. that Yeah. Feels very wrong. Also like, she's such a whiny bitch.
02:16:04
Speaker
Like true. She, yeah I think I said this in my rant the other night. I don't exactly remember what I said, but it, here's the thing. We've all been through shit, right? Like clearly our group has been through shit.
02:16:18
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Uh, and And there is a redemption arc for many, even here with Nailbog. There is a redemption arc for many. And yet Amy still holds onto this weird energy of like, woe is me.
02:16:33
Speaker
i fucked up, but I'm so like, oh my gosh, like, oh my God. Either be like, I fucked up. I'm the worst person that exists. I accept that and I move on. Like either that happens like you go, you know what? This is my chance to be better and I'm going to try and forget as best I can and I'm going to move forward.
02:16:55
Speaker
Either way, you have to move forward. It feels to me like Amy just wallows constantly. It's woe is me. Pores is, oh, and I can't go down. I can't go downstairs because my sister that I mentally and physically assaulted is downstairs and I can't go downstairs. So I guess I'll sit on the stairs and pout. Like I will kill you myself and stuff your body in a sewer drain.
02:17:19
Speaker
but I'm sorry. think get blacked out I, truly despise this woman so much. It's not because of what she did.
02:17:31
Speaker
We've seen worst. It's because of the self pity. That's what it is. It's just,
02:17:38
Speaker
I'm thinking about it more and more. like There are you know what you categories of villains that you would classify. Villains you love to hate. Villains that are ah really like cool that you're like, actually, i kind of like that villain. you know ah Villains that are just so rough and tough. you know Nobody can beat them. You're like, that's so badass.
02:17:57
Speaker
Amy falls in a weird category of villain that like the more I think about it, she might be top tier because of like how much I hate you know, a real like, honestly, even better than like Joffrey from Game of Thrones.
02:18:14
Speaker
Because Joffrey's a messed up kid who has never been told no in his life and is like needlessly cruel and a sociopath. Like, just a monster. But, like, ah for, I don't know. it's He's just, he's bad.
02:18:31
Speaker
He's just bad. He's just bad. Amy is complicated, but not so much that I can't just still hate her because she's the worst.
02:18:43
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um
02:18:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Wallowing is a great word. I just, I hate her and she is, if she really wanted to, she could be a horribly S tier, like villain threat, you know?
02:19:00
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Yeah. i I think the difference is that probably what it is, a lot of it is that where, The villains that are awful people but we like are often the ones who fall into one of two categories. Either they know that they're awful and they're proud of it, like Jack Slash. He's an agent of chaos and he's like all there for it and we love him because of it.
02:19:20
Speaker
Um... Or they are deluded into thinking that they're a good guy, like Nilbog, where he's like, I'm the king of my kingdom and this is my king. You know, like he's like delusional and you're like, oh, that's kind of fascinating or interesting.
02:19:35
Speaker
Amy is not either of those because she's not accepting the fact that she's a bad person. Yeah. She, it's that self-pity of like, oh, woe is me. I've done horrible things. Oh, so she's not even committed to the villain bit.
02:19:49
Speaker
And she, yeah, I don't know. She just she comes across very, she's stuck. Yeah. She's, don't know. It's, she's a rough character for sure. It's a, don't know. And I think part
Creative Speculations and Plot Theories
02:20:04
Speaker
of it too is that,
02:20:08
Speaker
It's hard to like a character who wallows in self-pity. And the only character I can think of, and this is a bit of a controversial take, the only character I've liked who was self-pitying was Holden Caulfield from Catcher in the Rye, which is controversial because a lot of people hate that character. But he's he's relatable to a certain extent because of the time of his life that he's in, right?
02:20:38
Speaker
Anyways, all that to say, what about e Amy, I feel like Eeyore is different. he What about Glum? Eeyore is just Eeyore just dead.
02:20:49
Speaker
What about Puddle Glum? Eeyore is in the woods without medication. You know, speaking of Eeyore, actually ah i saw some some wonderfully horrible fan art of Eeyore recently. No, thank you. thing he It was him taking a bath with a brave little toaster.
02:21:03
Speaker
And that is all.
02:21:06
Speaker
Damn it. Okay, what about Puddleglum from Narnia? He's kind of cool, maybe. Puddleglum? He's not a villain. That's the thing. is He's not a villain. No, no, no.
02:21:19
Speaker
Puddleglum's... If we want to bring up that, we've also got Marvin from Hidden Side. Like... The thing is that I guess the the comparison to Holden is that Holden is a bad person. is now yard if That was a better is a bad comparison. I just want to throw you in there.
02:21:33
Speaker
But he's relatable and he's understandable in a sense. Like you feel bad for him. You feel bad with him in a way. Yeah. Um, Whereas with with Amy, she's a bad person, but you just don't relate her, I guess.
02:21:46
Speaker
I don't know. i I hate her. i just She just... She can't eat... she No, I'm not. I can't. can't. I gotta be done. It's just not enjoyable to read, right? like If you're reading, somebody be so self-wallowing. and It's just not... yeah At a certain point, you're like, okay, let's...
02:22:03
Speaker
yeah Like, I can read a depressed character. That's fine. It's not about the... it's No, I get it. yeah It's exactly what you said. It's exactly what you said. If she's going to be evil, be evil. Be the villain. Be the fucking... Or be the hero.
02:22:16
Speaker
Don't sit in this middle space and whine about it. yeah Like I said, I think that's why she... have no tolerance for that shit. She might be the the greatest... I don't know if villain's the what right word, but like antagonist.
02:22:28
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to like character yeah yeah like agoist she's a villain to the story and the characters at the same time like it's yeah and the community like she's she she might be a top tier uh i'll say villain for lack of a better word um yeah to wrap it up yeah if we're ready to finish The anger is leeching out of me and now it's time for bed. So and now' now that we've gotten that catharsis out of the way, let's talk.
02:23:02
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Just needed to get it out. Let's talk powers and then we'll go into some some quick questions after that. Favorite powers, favorite or we'd say characters, too, if we want to do that.
02:23:13
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Capricorn is just so good. I love the use of powers. Like we've talked before about when two when two characters double up and they like their power can play off of each other. Capricorn obviously like made to fit that to a T ah for all the worst reasons. But like still, it's so much fun to like create something and then like solidify it.
02:23:34
Speaker
like And then the whoosh of water. like It's so fun. and I'm very much looking forward to like seeing that play out in future fights. And also, I just, like I said, just eating up all the morsels, all the details, all the tidbits that I can get about Byron and Tristan because I'm ready. I'm ready. Yeah, baby.
02:23:57
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Yeah, definitely really cool interaction of powers. The fact that there's two of them, they have to kind of work together, plan together. Very, very cool. Yeah. I would also say, speaking of like visual powers, Alan, we talked about Ashley or damsel and damsel of distress before, ah an image came to mind that I realized was an obvious one in terms of explosive flight, like firebending from avatar.
02:24:21
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Yes. Where, yes. Like, you know, they, especially, uh, with, um, Azula uses it really well. Um, I would say. So yeah, stuff like that where using fire to fly. um Yeah, very cool power.
02:24:36
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I do think, though, Capricorns is more interesting at this point. um Just mostly because of the character and the interaction it has with their powers.
02:24:46
Speaker
Yeah, we didn't get a whole lot, but he definitely definitely stood out and ah in those scenes for sure with those powers. we'll give up We'll give another just shout out to Ratcatcher. Just ah can't wait to see that. Yeah, baby. Of course.
02:25:00
Speaker
I mean, and I also, I got to know more about Finest Hour. Like, tell me about these time caches, my guy. Like, yeah and if if i if i sit in on a if I sit in on a presentation, can I get some?
02:25:11
Speaker
is this When you say timeshare, what do you mean? yeah so am i Is my time being sucked away right now listening to this presentation getting stored somewhere else?
02:25:21
Speaker
Is that how this works? I've taken a whole year... Your life. yeah That is actually how timeshares really work. They're all just like chrono vampires. My favorite this time around was actually Rain. I ah you normally just don't give a shit.
02:25:44
Speaker
And maybe it's just because it was skimming because it was boring. ah But this time around, I was like, wait a minute. Your power is actually to like, I knew it was, I knew in concept like it was ah ah to weaken things, but I thought, you know, because the rest of your power sucked that it also sucked. And this was the first time it clicked for me. Like, oh no, he actually like has a good power like that can break things. That's pretty nice.
02:26:08
Speaker
And, uh, you know, one of his shitty powers that like momentum stopping one, love it. The, the, the, just like stepping off the train and like immediately just walking to the side, like,
02:26:20
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This fun. little power. Hmm. Oh, um, all right. Uh, questions. It is a predictions that we might have or one, I think Bernard, um, who do you think is the most problematic out of the group?
02:26:40
Speaker
Yeah. It's funny. Kind of changed there a little bit. Who is the one that Miss Yamada is worried about the most? yeah yeah I always said it wasn't Damsel.
02:26:52
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um It wasn't Damsel because I was like, that's going to be, that's the red herring. Like Damsel's the obvious one. Damsel's 100% the red herring. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
02:27:04
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What do you think Capricorn? Capricorn, I think, is makes the most sense. But i we just know so little about the rest of them. Like, honestly, it could be Kenzie if maybe her tinker power is something that's a lot crazier than what we think. oh, oh.
02:27:18
Speaker
That is my vote. Birdie! Oh! There's the kitty cat. Yeah. There's the kitty Chris. Got it right at the end. Yeah, i I think it's Kinsey.
02:27:30
Speaker
I really do. I feel like there's something else weird going on there. And I just don't, I don't know. I just don't know. And right now, with all the things that I don't know, and the weird vibe that I'm getting, with also her, like, manipulating ah her perception on cameras, like, if she controls...
02:27:52
Speaker
I have a new theory. I have a new theory. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hear me out. Kenzie's parents. Oh, wait, but no, they have to drive the vehicle. Have we seen them?
02:28:03
Speaker
They've shaken. He shook Victoria's hand. Okay. My thought was. They were just. Is that they're all just holograms. They're all just holograms. New theory for you, Hannah. New theory for you, Hannah.
02:28:14
Speaker
Hit me. Kenzie defiant in Dragon's Daughter.
02:28:22
Speaker
And she's a robot herself. She's a robot herself. Oh, my God.
02:28:31
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i actually kind of love it I don't think that I love it. That is great. And you know what? It's true until proven otherwise.
02:28:42
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That's right.
02:28:47
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, when you when you see the world as Minecraft, everything is a block. Or in this case, a large but box. A large box yeah existing as a camera to look at boxes.
02:29:05
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What are my eyes but cameras for my brain? Yes. What are my ears but cameras for sound from my brain? What is reality but a giant really hard to move box?
02:29:22
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Okay, well... Looks like we have some some more bingos called out. Let's see if I can't pull those up. Yeah, we need to complete this at some point. Yeah, ah we we'll go through it now since we're ending. ah got and this one. We got Tattletail Hype, Cat on Screen, it Cheers for Rat Catcher, and What's Up with Tristan and Moonsong.
02:29:45
Speaker
Other ones that we completed were What the Fuck is Chris's Power, Victoria called out for being judgy. Fuck Carol. Wishing for Kaie.
02:29:56
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Everyone loves Dot. ah Kenzie's robot dad. Ashley called out for being edgy slash anime. Tattletale hate. Dang. We didn't get hung up on it, but ah hung up on a goat cut in half.
02:30:10
Speaker
I mean, it was weird. For a second. but Yeah, for a second. I think I made a face. ah was there there And then is Dot's interlude the best interlude? I'm not going to lie. i was kind of waiting for one of you to but to say something about.
02:30:30
Speaker
It's hard to say that it's our ah the best interlude because we're so early in. But I would akin it very much to Brutus's interlude. Yeah.
Brutus's Interlude and Dot's Character
02:30:39
Speaker
which kind It's hard to beat Brutus's interlude.
02:30:42
Speaker
It's true. That's very true. Brutus's interlude is amazing. But it kind of like that slight shift ah because Dot's not human. She's, you know, creature-like, but she's small. She skitters around. She's very single-minded.
02:30:55
Speaker
but She's smart and like, ugh, it's just, ugh, yeah. We'll
Reading Schedule and Arc 4 Shade
02:31:00
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see. When they wrote the book on going goblin mode, they they were talking about. About, yeah.
02:31:07
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Right. Ugh. All right, let me... I'm going through... are and what are we reading for next week? I'm going... I'm looking at that. ah So next week is Arc 4 Shade. It is... ah Looks like... And when you say next week, you mean the 27th? I mean the 27th. You are correct.
02:31:30
Speaker
Yes. um There are... It looks like 10 chapters for a total of 83,000 words. Holy shit. Okay. thousand words holy shit We are ramping up. i would like to think that we do this one in two weeks.
02:31:48
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The next one after that is 107,000. ah hundred and seven thousand That one we'll talk about splitting up. yeah Because that one has a good midway point. And this one not.
02:32:00
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think one will be for people to all the way through. i think this one will be good for people to read ah all the way through for this two weeks. So, arc four for two weeks from now.
02:32:14
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Arc four, two weeks from now. 27th. And, uh, 27th.
Gratitude and Community Spirit
02:32:20
Speaker
Um, let me think. Oh man, how time flies. she's Yeah, yeah, that's wild.
02:32:25
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02:32:41
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Yeah. Those some good ones. There's some, some really good ones in this, uh, Let's see. What else do we have? Yeah, we just appreciate you being there. we thank you Thank you to all of our patrons. Of course, we have our fun Patreon song that we'll be playing at the end.
02:32:55
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02:33:18
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02:34:11
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02:34:22
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