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BBBC Reads Ward - Episode 3
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This story isn’t intended for young or sensitive readers. Readers who are on the lookout for trigger warnings are advised to give Worm a pass. Complete list of potential triggers: here
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The Brockton Bay Book Club discusses J.C. McCrae's Ward live! The gang reads a portion of Ward and comes together to share our thoughts with each other and anyone who want's to participate.
This week we cover Arc 2 (Flare)!
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Introductions
00:02:44
Speaker
Welcome, everybody. Welcome. a we're live. Can everyone hear good? that wow We'll take that as a yes. We're there behind. Let's you just keep talking. Go ahead, Alan.
00:02:58
Speaker
Good evening, Megalopolis.
00:03:04
Speaker
Union strike broken up by broken powers.
00:03:10
Speaker
Are you a heartless scab or do you support the union?
00:03:16
Speaker
ever yeah That's really what this story is about. and All right. I am your host, Alan.
00:03:28
Speaker
And we have Hannah. Hello, friends. Welcome back. Jacob.
00:03:36
Speaker
ah Michael. you know And Nick. you do
00:03:45
Speaker
but Oh, boy. Oh, boy. We've done it. we've We've done it. Arc 2. Arc 2. Yeah. and After Arc 1, we've all got our
Casual Drinks and Coffee Talk
00:03:59
Speaker
drinkies.
00:03:59
Speaker
I know there's a London fog in chat, at least. I've got peppermint tea and water because hydrate or dihydrate. Ooh, what are you drinking, Jacob? Oh, nothing special. Just a little orange cream Coke Zero.
00:04:16
Speaker
an interesting That sounds I love actually really love the orange cream Cokes. They're really good. I've not had that yet. And they have it in Coke Zero. That's good to know.
00:04:28
Speaker
I got to keep an eye out. I'm doing a ah ah David Rios Power Chai. Oh, a Power Chai. Don't those have espresso in them, Alan?
00:04:41
Speaker
It's got matcha. Yeah, you're going be up...
00:04:46
Speaker
I gotta have that podcast juice. Oh no. I've got the Coke and the whiskey. So we're all set. Is there Kahlua in this as well?
00:04:57
Speaker
Maybe. yeah so That's the ah make that make the Jack and Coke in your mouth drink there, Michael. Separate but equal for sure. Yeah. It costs less if you buy them separately.
00:05:12
Speaker
Nick, what were you drinking? feel I have decaf coffee because I don't want to stay up late um with a sprinkling of salt in it to take out the bitterness.
00:05:23
Speaker
And yes, we are. like Did you say you put salt in your decaf coffee? Yes. You put a little bit of salt in the coffee grounds as you brew it and it makes it oh i it a little bit better. I've heard that. Yeah, as it's brewed. I like that. That's interesting.
00:05:38
Speaker
i I made the mistake of buying... um ah Starbucks decaf coffee and um it isn't great I'll be honest um yeah yeah so okay how did you just start but off of ah Bernard Co ah um chat um if we suddenly lost caffeine who do you think would be the most likely to trigger due to that on hu I three cups of coffee a day. Regular caffeine. Holy shit.
00:06:08
Speaker
would love to hear in comments or later in the YouTube comments. i have at least three cups of coffee a day regular caffeine yeah shot i would i would love to hear ah in comments or you know later in the youtube comments ah not just live, what Nick's trigger and power would be.
00:06:29
Speaker
Like what classification you get. From not having caffeine. Let me tell you, i can I can relate to those people because not getting caffeine gives me a splitting headache. No!
00:06:40
Speaker
that just sleeper? You should cut back. I'm definitely getting like a stranger power, you know, just, but it's like yeah total isolation from everyone and everything going on. I was thinking like a Like a breaker power, I just start vibrating at intense speeds.
00:06:57
Speaker
<unk> Going into my caffeine state. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah Two plus four times five says, has anyone tried putting ground up cinnamon toast crunch into coffee grounds?
00:07:09
Speaker
ah I have not, but let me tell you, I'm i'm down for anything once. I smoked the marshmallows from Lucky Charms. um You take milk and you put it in the cereal and then you let it sit for a little bit and then you scoop out all the cereal or I guess I suppose you could eat it or you throw it out once it's all mushy and you use the milk as a latte base.
00:07:33
Speaker
Ah, there you go. There you
Games, Pacing, and Storytelling
00:07:35
Speaker
go. That's clever. I've used ice cream as place before. Well, I mean, that's a delicious. Absolutely. Yeah, that's just ah an affogato. Mm-hmm.
00:07:46
Speaker
I don't want to hear that anymore. you're the origin for the name of the... up The avocado? ah The origin for the name of the espresso and ice cream affogato.
00:07:56
Speaker
Oh. I thought that's like... I meana won i heard one of the affogato. The Italian ah barista woke up and was like, Oh, no. I forgot a cream. No.
00:08:10
Speaker
Hey. oh That's great. Is it? Is it though? Okay. yeah I knew it wasn't Italian because your hands weren't talking.
00:08:22
Speaker
Damn it. right oh Damn it. Well, I don't know if that's part of the bingo. I don't know if I doubt that that was part of our bingo card, but in the description, we have the bingo card that Alan has prepared.
00:08:36
Speaker
So if you want to play with us... Let's get the important stuff out of the way. No spoilers in chat. We are going along chapter by chapter trying to figure this out. i am the only...
00:08:47
Speaker
ah the second time reader round um and the rest of these are first time readers. we're going to keep it light with spoilers. And by light, I mean not at all. And there is a bingo card, however.
00:09:00
Speaker
And if you'd like to contribute to that bingo card every week, you should become a patron. ah We have $1 tier, right? $1? Lowest tier. And you can join in in contributing to the bingo card. The more things we have, the bigger the bingo card can be.
00:09:14
Speaker
Spoilers chat. play yeah egg Yes, there's a spoiler. and I have that chat muted because i don't want to know. I do not. because So our patrons are coming up with what we're going to say.
00:09:26
Speaker
ah there are some of the Most of these are patron that's awesome ah submitted. so That is amazing. I have some that I put in when I was reading. I'm like, oh yeah, this is definitely going to be a thing. ah But yeah, most of these are patrons. um so Thanks that's spoiling for being here.
00:09:41
Speaker
You guys are awesome. Yeah. Thank you all for being here. Also, uh, for, um, us, let's see. Uh, we went over that. we went over the bingo. There's a bingo card link in chat, uh, or in the description for the videos. Play along.
00:09:55
Speaker
Otherwise arc to initial thoughts, uh, especially after arc one kind of being a big setup.
00:10:05
Speaker
go It felt like we were back in it. There was a couple moments here where I almost forgot that I wasn't reading like Taylor's perspective because it just felt so familiar.
00:10:17
Speaker
was like, okay, here we go. Big old classic tragedy arc where everything goes wrong. And then we get our fun Yamada chapters. Yamada. Yeah. It just felt comfy.
00:10:29
Speaker
in a dark. Yeah. Yeah. It felt familiar in that sense. Um, I will say personally, so far Ward feels, and and it might just be misremembering the beginning of Wyrm, but Ward feels a lot slower than Wyrm in terms of the pacing.
00:10:46
Speaker
And I don't know if that was ah intentional in Wildbow's part or if it's going to speed up in Arc 3 and 4, you know, and move faster. But generally it feels like there's a lot more downtime and obviously there's a lot more passing of time, right? Like Victoria mentions a week has passed since the event or a week and a half or whatever it was.
00:11:05
Speaker
Um, you know, meets with Jessica a couple weeks later, she's with the therapy group. So it's like, it feels like there's more time passing. It's a lot more natural.
00:11:16
Speaker
Whereas with worm, you kind of, you get into it and you're just going like a hundred miles an hour and you have very few breaks. So um I think in a way I kind of like that. I like that it's a bit of a slower build.
00:11:29
Speaker
I feel like it hasn't found its pace yet to me personally. ah There are sections where I find myself skimming and there are sections where I'm like, to like my eyes are reading too fast have to slow down because I'm like, what happens next?
00:11:46
Speaker
So i don't I don't feel like we... technically have a pace yet that I'm like comfortable in just yet. um But we're only in arc two. So, you know.
00:11:59
Speaker
Yeah, it is interesting how, like I guess I agree because I i was looking at the at the chapter summaries you put in our little chat here, Nick. And I was like, wait a minute, I forgot. i was thinking the first couple chapters happened at the end of of arc one.
00:12:13
Speaker
just because of when I read these. Because the arc is, it is funny. You get like these first couple chapters. It's kind of calm and and nice. And then we get the big whole broken trigger chapters, which is just totally different.
00:12:26
Speaker
And then again we switch yeah again, we switch back to like therapy chapters. So it is a bit of a little whiplash kind of reading through it. But you'll find a space. I'm not worried.
00:12:39
Speaker
yeah Yeah, I do agree with Bernard in chat. He said the action is still fast-paced, and I think that's true. The action chapters were very... Was it just one chapter? it was two, right? The broken triggers? like two, I think. Like one and a half? It starts at the end of one, and then it is just one chapter, though.
00:12:56
Speaker
yeah So yeah, the action is still very quick um and very exciting, like very fast-paced, which I really liked. for action is kind of a fun, it kind of makes like a fun little parabola, you know, with the arc where it's like little slow, ooh, action. Ooh, okay, back to slow.
00:13:12
Speaker
Yeah. Nice. Can I interject real quick and have Hannah move the mic closer herself? um Most assuredly. Absolutely. thank you coming but We're close to a cat on screen. Close. Not yet. But my cat has dragged her little toy over and has been squeaking noisily underneath my desk. Is that just like the free space on the bingo card? Yeah. it Basically. yeah One's going to show up. We know that. We just don't know when.
00:13:40
Speaker
Yeah. um The other one that didn't get added as a free space this time around is ah Yamada.
00:13:49
Speaker
just And we did come out of the gate immediately with that. We did. We really did. yeah that's Yeah. I mean, yeah. She's great.
00:14:00
Speaker
but get We'll get there. She'll have her time in the sun here. Y'all know me. I love downtime. Oh, sorry. Go for it, Nick. No, no. Yeah. Downtime's good. um i was just going to say, like I've said in the past, I'd love a superhero novel with two characters just like Mr. Kaye and Mrs. Yamada. Just ah therapist and a lawyer just you know dealing with the different aspects of superhero worlds that, you know, aren't... Oh, I was literally... Have you guys seen Shrinking on, I think it's Apple TV?
00:14:31
Speaker
Not yet. Apple HBO? It's an excellent show, but it's about it's about a couple of therapists. It's the whole premise of the show. And always think reading this arc was like, man, it's Shrinking is fantastic. Great show. Everyone should watch it.
00:14:42
Speaker
But know the whole time I was like, that show would be so much better if their patients were just superheroes. Yeah. It was Same show. Nothing changes. It's just a love day in the life of a couple of therapists.
00:14:55
Speaker
But they're just superheroes. yeah As long as we're going off ah office on tangents like that, I believe the people who made ah ah Wolf Among Us, I forgot, name escapes me. Telltale.
00:15:09
Speaker
I believe they are back in business and they are making another Telltale game. ah But it is about a normal person at a superhero call center. They take the calls and assign the superheroes to the emergencies.
00:15:25
Speaker
Oh, that's fine. I saw the commercial. like on one lookke Great i idea. Awesome. The commercial looks amazing. It looks so good. And that's all I want. That's all I want to watch is that person in the office. I don't care about the superheroes. It's actually, it's Mega Man, isn't it?
00:15:39
Speaker
It's Mega Man, but he's lost his suit and now he has to work in a call center. That's the actual suit. That might be true. That might be true that he's like out of... Dispatch. It looks pretty great. Dispatch. Dispatch. Thank Not for certain. I'm... Every bit of that, every part of that out for. Also, yeah. It's not even a show, Alan. It's a game, but the trailer made it look... Yeah, yeah. it's... Okay, okay. It's the Telltale series. I thought you were talking... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:06
Speaker
I mean, Telltale games are basically half show, half game anyway. The trailer made me think it was a show until the very end. it was like, what is a game? I'd still watch it if it were a show. I know. I was a little disappointed.
00:16:17
Speaker
I wanted a show. But yeah. um I'll play that. But yeah. You know me. I love downtime. So in Ward, I love all the non... ah The mundane.
00:16:32
Speaker
I love the mundane and wacky world. So this is... why I love Ward right here. Yeah.
00:16:41
Speaker
But ah Nick, you wrote down some of them. Would you like to kick us off? did. I grabbed them. Thanks to, I think Chicken Guru is the one who did a lot of the Ward one, as well who is it? Something Rick.
00:16:55
Speaker
red top Is it not Red Tom? Steam Rick? Steam wreck team Rick. Steam Rick. Yeah. Steam Rick with some help this time with Ward from Chicken Guru. um But yeah, i just wanted to give credit where credit's due for the summaries.
00:17:08
Speaker
So, Arc 2, Flare 2.1. um Which I do gotta say, just as a quick aside, just like we had some bug-themed chapter in Arc names, I appreciate the light-themed names so far.
00:17:23
Speaker
um I've just been... I see you, John McRae. All right. Flare 2.1. ah Vicky and Crystal make breakfast and go on heroic job hunting for Vicky.
00:17:37
Speaker
Foresight gets negative thinker results. Azure just wants Amy. Fallen encounter ruins chances with the attendant. Yeah.
Victoria's Job Interview Struggles
00:17:45
Speaker
not a good Not a good run of interviews for Victoria, unfortunately. Mm-hmm. Oh.
00:17:52
Speaker
Man, I was all been there. Yeah. We've all been there. That hurts. It sucks because like she's so great and she's gone through so much.
00:18:03
Speaker
And it it feels like any team would be lucky to have Victoria and they're all just poopy buttholes.
00:18:13
Speaker
Yeah, Mr. Poopy buttholes even. I was going to make the same joke. Oh, my stuffed animal and Mr. Poopy buttholes up there on the shelf. Are you going to get him? Yeah.
00:18:25
Speaker
Get him,
00:18:27
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the only one that was missing is where... There he is. my God. All right, Michael, that's that's how you have to be represented on the podcast now. He's very cute.
00:18:38
Speaker
but so Wiggly. Oh, no. Oh, that's great. He's my favorite man. That actually scared the champ. He's the best.
00:18:49
Speaker
Oh, he got me so good. ah Oh, man. wo we It's good. oh Yeah, I feel like the only bad interview type that Victoria missed out on was the one where it's like,
00:19:02
Speaker
you think they're so excited to have you and then like halfway through the interview, you realize it's just a pyramid scheme. Damn it. yeah Yeah. You know, ah Victoria, in fact, if you can recruit two other heroes to join our team.
00:19:18
Speaker
Yeah. We'd love to have you on board. with a member Just an entry fee of $49.95. felt like that vibe was there. We'll send all the product right to you.
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I felt like that vibe was with the Azor being like, well, really? We just kind of want Amy. You're like, yeah, yeah. baker I'm not working with that bitch.
00:19:42
Speaker
ah Oh, that would make me mad. Yeah. yeah Yeah. And and the just the whole like you're an attractive young woman like ah you'll do well. but Like. ah Yeah.
00:19:55
Speaker
ah Yeah. Yeah. correct yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. Um, rough, rough chapter for sure. Definitely. And I think, I guess it's a question of how much do people know? It seems like not many people know what happened to Amy or not to Amy, to Victoria.
00:20:15
Speaker
Um, or least it's not explicit. Um, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's not, not great.
00:20:27
Speaker
How do we feel about the new heroes or the hero teams?
00:20:33
Speaker
A lot of names, lot of powers. It is a lot of names. Trying so hard to track everything. i'm I'm all here for the quasi-military capes. like i I do really enjoy the PRTCJ, whatever that one is. Yeah. Crystal's part of that group, right?
00:20:52
Speaker
Yeah. part of that group right Yeah. yeah there's There's definitely a strong vibe in the air that capes are moving more paramilitary than like local law enforcement.
00:21:07
Speaker
Especially as we like we'll get in later chapters, obviously, towards the end and the interlude and that kind of thing. But like it's an interesting shift in like cape perspective, it feels like.
00:21:18
Speaker
Especially with terminology. like were were watchdogs really a group in war in worm? like did we Was that term thrown around a lot? I couldn't remember. no it wasn't thrown around a lot. They were mentioned one time and it's because I think one time it's because Accord worked for them.
00:21:36
Speaker
Was it Accord? Right, no, they were the financial group that tracked all the finances across the world and made sure to make sure they were... I thought it was also mentioned... The economy of the world didn't collapse.
00:21:47
Speaker
the Yeah, the world economy, they keep track of elections. and Number Man worked for them as well. He also, yes. okay Okay. Yeah, that would make sense. I thought it was mentioned again when we had that interlude with um Fuckface McGee who broke Dragon. Stole Dragon. frame Saint. Saint. Saint.
00:22:05
Speaker
Yeah, I thought it was mentioned there because when they're talking about, no, it's Saint. It's when they're talking about um basically how they were like Robin Hooding people for a while all over the world. I feel like Watchdog was mentioned in that. interlude But again, very briefly.
00:22:21
Speaker
Maybe. That's hard to know. Yeah, all all that to say the term the terminology feels more militaristic to start here. which yeah Yeah, for sure. When even like what the attendants are doing, they're watching the portal, they're using thinkers to observe.
00:22:37
Speaker
It's a very, you know, and even, you know, jumping to the interlude a ah bit, watching the trains and making sure no contraband gets, it does feel a lot more like paramilitary or At least more like SWAT team level police rather than just police officers.
00:22:53
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it's, yeah, yeah. It's the FBI, you know, monitoring all the weird things and probably barely, rarely ever kicking the door down themselves. They probably send the proctorate to do that.
00:23:07
Speaker
Protectorate. The proctorate. Yeah.
00:23:16
Speaker
Next bingo card. Alan says Proctorate. Alan says Proctorate. That's a separate bingo card where we each have something we're constantly mispronouncing.
00:23:28
Speaker
and just There you go. check it on But yeah, yeah um the Fallen encounter is kind of interesting. just Just as a note of, again, you've got these groups that still exist, um like the Fallen that are still trying to recruit, but it's sort of a...
00:23:46
Speaker
It's hard to tell if they are the same,
00:23:52
Speaker
the same as they were before, right? They're like, Hey, we're recruiting for the fallen. Yes. Like, yeah, we predicted the end of the world. You should join us. We know what's going on. You know, they kind of have that interesting sort of clout there.
00:24:04
Speaker
don't Um, Yeah, yeah, interesting. ah Two plus added, Watchdog was mentioned twice in Worm. In ARC 23, Pretender killed the government thinker that was looking into if the Vegas Capes were Cauldron.
00:24:19
Speaker
which Okay. I'm guessing it is Yeah, and then they were consulted when kid happened and they all gave their assessments on how so serious the situation was. That's right. And they were like, it's a threat assessment.
00:24:32
Speaker
Like, could be an A to an S. We'll say A. And, you know, Taylor's like, it's an An S. Yeah, yeah definitely in ah Also, I have a question. Ferroni asked this, and I tried to Google it, and I couldn't find the answer, and then I started wondering if maybe I shouldn't Google it too much.
00:24:50
Speaker
What does the CJ and PRTCJ stand for? It hasn't been said yet. My guess would be, like, my first thought was criminal justice, which doesn't really make sense for paramilitary, but, yeah you know, we'll see.
00:25:04
Speaker
i i You know? Yeah, because PRTC is Parahuman Response Team, right? Yeah. yeah Maybe CAPE something. Cape justice. Cape jurisdiction. Wrong answers only.
00:25:19
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
Fashion, Cults, and Hero Dynamics
00:25:22
Speaker
Children junkies. Crushed jugulars. Crushed jugulars, to druggis yeah Canned juice. Canned juice.
00:25:32
Speaker
Open up a can of whoop juice.
00:25:36
Speaker
Free ready two tea of canned juice. ERTCJ. cape plus four says Cape job. job. Cape job.
00:25:50
Speaker
I've gotten a cape job before. No. Oh, no. Every Tuesday night. Every other Tuesday night. that's a cross-genre kind of job, you know? It could be superheroes, could be witches and fantasy. could So many capes in the universe.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah. ah I just got the bad kind of shiver that makes you like, oh, no. In desperate need of like an Edna Mode gif. capes. No capes.
00:26:18
Speaker
No capes. I'm sure we'll use that. don't know. um Yeah. Yeah, very good. of an audience Quick, save us. Next chapter.
00:26:31
Speaker
You're such a cliche when they're bopping around the apartment. Classic brute. it's like just rummaging through everything oh breaks the drawer too like that's yeah actually it reminds me of ah Sky High where the dad breaks the phone and then opens up the drawer and there's like five more phones classic want to talk about Game Boy either about what did you say ah we are sorry we didn't want out we gamebo
00:27:05
Speaker
about what would you say What? They talk about like, oh, I used to have your card. And she was like, oh, which card of mine? Oh, yeah. oh yeah there's a ho Is it the holographic one? Not holographic, but had the strip that you could scan into the little device and it unlocked my character.
00:27:22
Speaker
And that's what the Game Boy e-reader was. For those of you who played Pokemon or something. Yeah. um yeah ah Another ah thing I need is Cape Con.
00:27:32
Speaker
Absolutely. need a whole. thats Oh, absolutely. and cap on yeah um How aware she is of all of their drips. Because as we know, she looked at superhero fashion and is very aware every time we get a superhero. Like, is it a shitty outfit?
00:27:47
Speaker
Is a good outfit? What's their like design? what What are they trying to say? um and then yeah on that note, It describes Whirl, and i might be, you know, a little off.
00:28:00
Speaker
It's like red shirt, little tight, white pants, some yellow thrown in there, maybe like a silver mask. And I started to put together, is Whirl just dressed as Peacemaker?
00:28:14
Speaker
don't know enough about what Peacemaker wears. conia plays fine I know the character. I don't know what he's wearing. You mean the the leader of the Shepherds, Whirl?
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah. ah You know, I know it was like a white border around the eyes as well as a preppy bodysuit. Yeah. Yeah.
00:28:35
Speaker
yeah that's I mean, but honestly, it's not bad. It's close. That's fine. Yeah, it's funny. And then see i hate that she didn't get the job, but man, do I wish we had more people getting like mind read evals and for important positions.
00:28:53
Speaker
Yeah, really, right? ah Sorry, you didn't pass our thinker test just as you're walking in. yeah that's Yeah, that's the real psychological evaluation, right? It's like, ah, well, yeah, we read your mind and sorry, not for us. I would be very okay with that being more of a thing.
00:29:11
Speaker
Specifically for positions of authority and people, you know, like capes. Yeah. If it meant I didn't have to submit my resume like four times for a job, then yes. Oh, God. Yes, please. Oh, my God. I hate that.
00:29:25
Speaker
We just need you to walk by this room. You just show up. You just walk by. Walk this long hallway. yeah Yeah. Done. if it's just like ah It's just a hallway with a bunch of lights in front of closed doors. It's like, all right, if you get to the end of the hallway, eight out of ten of the lights are green.
00:29:43
Speaker
We'll hire you. there you go yeah Do you think that Victoria describes, and I'm going with outfits, like Taylor, where yeah describes the cape, and this one she says she describes the fashion of capes that she likes very well, but not those of ah but not of those that she hates.
00:30:02
Speaker
um but right This was something I noticed. ah We talked about this a little bit back in Wyrm, specifically when imp first shows up. And as I description as Aisha. Yes. So Aisha, which is meeting her for the first time, like the description is really not great. And we all kind of like talked about it. I remember. And in the end we were like, well, Taylor's being a judgy bitch. And this is Taylor talking not necessarily Wild Bo being a judgy bitch. This is Taylor being a judgy bitch.
00:30:36
Speaker
I'm not going to lie. Victoria's doing the exact same thing. And i'm I was like, not quite to that extent, but it's giving the same kind of energy. and you yeah once it's a character flaw. Twice,
00:30:51
Speaker
I would not lean towards character flaw anymore. I would lean towards author... choice choice yes thank you was gonna say author flaw but author choice it's just so judgy don't know i don't think it's i don't even think it's like i mean it is judgy because she's so judgy she's in she's been in the cape world she's seen a lot of outfits she knows when you ordered that outfit on timu and she knows when you got it you know bespoke like come on true i mean listen not everybody can have a handmade spider silk uh
00:31:27
Speaker
That's true. Right? yeah Yeah. Like Taylor was judgy, not on people's outfits. it's a It was judgy just about like people and like, and yes, their clothing in like normal life.
00:31:41
Speaker
She was a judgy bitch and maybe that was just poor writing. I absolutely agree to that. Victoria, this is a conscious choice and I don't think it's a flaw. I think this is, she's just very aware of outfits because that was something she did with her family.
00:31:57
Speaker
the Yeah. It makes sense little I don't know. Taylor was a mean girl and Victoria is a Kardashian, essentially.
00:32:09
Speaker
We'll go with that. That's fair. better You know, that tracks, actually. but That really does track. Yeah, yeah I think Fran Vol said in chat, Taylor focused a bit more on their body features, whereas Victoria seems to be focusing more on their That's very true. That is true. Which, you know, clothing is a bit more of an external thing. I think it's it's less judgy to care too much about clothing.
00:32:31
Speaker
Yeah, I think Taylor, unbeknownst Steven to her, perhaps, which could be brilliant writing or just a writing flaw, but I'd i'd like to err on the side of brilliant right brilliant writing in the sense of Taylor has this unbeknownst to her, she thinks she's better than everybody else. We've talked about that, right? About how she's this narcissistic person who thinks she knows what's best for everybody.
00:32:54
Speaker
Unfortunately, the way the story's written, she's right nine times out of ten. So she really does know better than you. She really does. ah Clear distinction. Taylor is a femcell image board user while Victoria thinks she is Elle Woods.
00:33:09
Speaker
i would I think that's brilliant. I would make a slight correction. Victoria is Elle Woods. that's That's very good. Not only is she a great cape, but also ah she knows her outfits.
00:33:22
Speaker
Not about to wear last year's suit. Yeah. yeah I got to be honest. You guys picked up on a lot more of the fashion stuff than I did.
00:33:33
Speaker
so I didn't pick up on it a lot. I just noticed the section that made me feel a little squibbly. sure I think it's supposed to. But that's just... It could be either one.
00:33:47
Speaker
Yeah. Alright. 2.2. Moving on. ah Visiting Fumehood. I'm sorry. We really haven't talked about talked about the whole Fallen situation yet at all.
00:33:59
Speaker
and We should probably bring that up because that feels like foreshadowing for so many problems coming up.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think it's the, i think it's the, just the general feeling we have with, with this megalopolis and everything going on that there are problems that are the serious problems and there are problems that are going to have to wait. Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
yeah And their mindset towards the fallen, which again, it's weird. The attendants literally they're watching them recruit for essentially a villain town. Right. and they're like, you know what? Honestly, they aren't the worst things going on right now. We got bigger fish to fry. We can't spend our energy fighting them.
00:34:50
Speaker
And hey, at the very least, they feed their people. Sure, it's a cult, but you know, we we can't care about it right now. Yeah, it it really does feel like one of those things where it's like, like you said, like this is this is a problem, sure, but it's not a big problem. Like this is not on the top list of priorities. This is further down the list and like Victoria just, ugh.
00:35:14
Speaker
Like, I think she what she did was right, like, stepping in and being like, this is a, no, don't do that. good Don't go with them, you know? But at the same time, like, I liked that she knew so much information. Like, I think I mentioned to this to Alan, is that I love how much information she has on all of these capes and like she's just a wealth of knowledge because she knows so much background about them i like that she's like oh yeah they had you know the leader had three kids one of those was an idiot like is that the leader oh wait and then this other guy he was in jail and i think he got murdered.
00:35:46
Speaker
So it's not him. So it must be the young guy. He's the partier. He's going to be troubled. I love that she kind of like lays that out. And they basically say that she's right without saying she's right. Because they all get upset when she nails it. And it's like, get him. Get him, Victoria.
00:36:05
Speaker
I love it. yeah and i I like that too because, in and I think this is the advantage of it being a sequel, is that you have, in the first book you kind of, or in the first you know story, Worm, you have Tattletail kind of acting like the Hermione character, the one who knows everything.
00:36:22
Speaker
ah But now that this is a sequel, we've been in the world for a bit, it's an advantage to have Victoria, who is that Hermione character, as your protagonist. Yeah. who can kind of say, yeah, this is who this person is. I remember them.
00:36:35
Speaker
um so it's kind of an interesting twist on that where we know a lot because ah who she is. Good point. Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:50
Speaker
Anything, anything else about the fallen we'll talk about.
00:36:54
Speaker
and just want to make sure we mentioned it. That was important. Good catch. yeah Good catch. Mm hmm. Moving but on. Definitely creepy. Definitely creepy. Yeah. Yeah. Not a problem yet Yeah, not a problem yet.
00:37:08
Speaker
not A big pin in the old board, though, for sure. Yes, for sure. All right. Moving on to 2.2. Visiting Fumehood in the hospital, discussing the teams with Tempura, whose group is splitting it up, ah taking some kids flying, contacting Jessica when a kid asks for help.
00:37:28
Speaker
ah This was a nice chapter. This was one of those like 2.1 sucked, 2.2. Victoria gets to have it. It's nice. It's just nice. I don't really have much more to say than like, it's nice.
00:37:41
Speaker
Yeah. I like that she takes the kids flying. I think that's really, think that's really sweet. This is another one of those, like nothing happens, like mostly, but I i love this chapter.
00:37:59
Speaker
Yeah. Do you want to go flying? Fuck yeah. Not that I was boring. Yeah. Yeah. um Yeah.
00:38:11
Speaker
A small point in here. As soon as they said good, sign they said like Simon says or something like that. One of the children's books, ah my ears perked up because right before this, um as we know,
00:38:22
Speaker
ah he likes to, Wild Bill likes to put some of his works in the other ones. I think earlier ah we had a Maggie Holt series was in Worm, um which would later become, is the character in Pact.
00:38:36
Speaker
or Yeah, Pact. So his next series. ah Well, after Pact Twig, and in Twig, there is a propaganda series for young children called Good Simon Says.
00:38:48
Speaker
And, and kid is reading that book in the hospital. ah That's funny. i lose you know Call back to the story he just finished writing. I like it.
00:39:00
Speaker
Nice. then Yes, Jessica, I would love to meet for lunch.
00:39:08
Speaker
ah ah Yeah, it was kind of a funny, um the one funny thing of this one chapter was that Victoria had two people tell her in the same chapter, hey, I got something I need to talk to you about that I could use your help with.
00:39:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. like Yeah, for real. Oh, okay. All right. Oh, Tempra needs my help. Oh, Jessica needs my help. Yeah. So, um yeah, ah man, it's it's a it's one of those just good ones.
00:39:38
Speaker
You know, yeah, it's wholesome. Feels very much like, hey, I can't do much, but I can help, right? I can i can help you have a better day. um couple of good things from chat.
00:39:49
Speaker
One was, and we'll confirm later, but B. Ferroni, I think it was a word of God said that ah Taylor was actually visited in the hospital for a crisis point after her incident, ah but was unresponsive because of the trigger.
00:40:07
Speaker
Okay. okay And then 2 Plus points out, it's a good Simon's reference to Twig. ah Kids in Animal Mask Getting in Trouble is a reference to Pale, which would not be written yet.
00:40:17
Speaker
And neither would be the Robot Prison Ship, which is the ongoing Seek, probably. Oh, interesting. certain points out Twig also has a series in it called The Doll Man.
00:40:30
Speaker
It's a pulp novel series based on Mannequin. Interesting. course. Love that. I love that when you have like whole universes, you can just reference them kind of willy nilly and it's fine. It's just like fun Easter eggs for people who've read all all of your books. Like I want to be that one day. i want to be the kind of author that references all of their stuff and all their other books.
00:40:49
Speaker
I guess Fran Val said there's a birdcage Lego set in pale. That's funny. like I want that set. I don't even do Lego and I want that set. that's great only if it comes with all the minifigures yeah you can drop any of minifigures and then never touch them again yeah I was about say it's like you drop them in and if you ever try to like pry it open again to like remake it the whole thing is just falling just breaks now imagine a like a dude thing A tinker whose specialty is just Legos, just building the most intricate Lego sets. Yes. That's the tinker we need. I triggered stepping on a Lego at night. ah ah That was You know what real pain is?
00:41:36
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, then throws Legos out. It's like, I can't walk anywhere. Quick, get somebody with flying powers. Pocket Legos. Oh
00:41:48
Speaker
oh my God. Anyways. Yeah, yeah. Fine, fine chapter. um Yeah, I really, yeah. Tempra's group splitting up Fumehood and all of them splitting up. Like, that just kind of makes sense. It's like, we were kind of on the on the edge anyway. um And, you know, this was...
Costumes and Character Interactions
00:42:12
Speaker
ah Who's the Longclaw? Longslash?
00:42:15
Speaker
I think it's Longclaw. What's his name? Longclaw. Yeah, i do I do like his power, so I hope we see him again someday. I like all these heroes, actually. I think they're kind of a cool little group. um And I'm glad we get to see a bit more of Crystal Clear.
00:42:29
Speaker
Though it is confusing that Vicky's cousin is named Crystal... ah But her hero is not crystal clear. That did did confuse me for like half a day. Long scratch is the name. Long scratch. Yeah, yeah, long scratch. Also, 2 Plus also points out it is pronounced tempera, not tempura, which, you know,
00:42:50
Speaker
like tempura i believe it's tempura tempura i believe is what it should be yeah is this based on the paint tempura yes tempura oh that would make sense okay yeah i'm i see a dd i definitely am saying tempura because you know tempura yeah tempura yeah because tempura yeah tempura is the food um
00:43:15
Speaker
That's why i was always getting hungry. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Do any of you guys have ah tempera paints as a kid? The powdery paint that you'd mix with water? and No? I had bunch of... Oh, wait. I did. A little wagon thing?
00:43:29
Speaker
Yeah, they come in powdered... Oh. Yeah, they come in powdered... Or at least what I had. don't know this normal. Yeah. Came in like little plastic bottles and they were all powder and you could just pour some out and then add some water it. think in school we used them in like elementary maybe.
00:43:45
Speaker
Yeah. they my these Yeah.
00:43:51
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Yep. Yeah. There you 2.3. I feel like 2.2 is really simple. There's not much to say. Yeah. um It's nice. 2.3. um and Victoria has a situation handled by Tempra, not Tempora.
00:44:08
Speaker
um War is creeping on the horizon. Demonstrations are held and a broken trigger occurs.
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah. and A broken broken trigger, trigger, trigger, triggers? trigger so A broken broken trigger breaks and triggers later. Yeah.
00:44:28
Speaker
yeah um yes What a mess. the The scene where Victoria is picking out her costumes again, just it I mentioned it earlier, but it just reminds me of how spoiled the Undersiders must have been with their own custom costumes. Custom made spider silk.
00:44:46
Speaker
Made to fit spider silk costumes. like yeah it's just like She's like going through these like test costumes and I'm just like, oh yeah, these sound awful. like This is what normal people have to do, huh?
00:44:59
Speaker
Taylor really could have just gone into the costume making business and would have been just fine. Oh my gosh. my God. Can you imagine? Made so much money. It's just Edna Mode.
00:45:10
Speaker
yeah she could have been Edna Mode. you know Just breeding tons of Black Widows, I think, were the best ones, she said. Yeah, because imagine you go to fuck up the PRTs like costume maker. It's like, we need to make a point.
00:45:26
Speaker
We need to fuck up their costume maker. Oh, no. And you go in to deal with somebody who's just, you know, you think they're going to run into a tailor of some kind. And ah you run into the tailor.
00:45:39
Speaker
And all of a sudden, there's a bazillion Black Widows on you. Or no what was that? ah Like dwarf bark skin spiders or something like that. You know, just You thought you were coming to fuck up somebody who's just a clothier and instead you got the worst nightmare of your life.
00:45:57
Speaker
Bernard said the Taylor Taylor joke right as you did. Worst nightmare of yep taylor taylor mind well taylor Taylor the Taylor. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:46:08
Speaker
And just her description of some of them. Her description of some of them she's just like those shorts are so short. they're I don't think I can wear that. That's just underwear. Yeah. What is it covering?
00:46:23
Speaker
What is that neckline? I felt like a subtle dig at a lot of video game art. Right. Which I'm pretty sure, you know, even just superhero outfits. Right. I mean, right. It's specifically like the power girl one. Right. Almost specifically. it feels like yeah he is just that the most egregious boob window kind ah costume you've seen in your life.
00:46:44
Speaker
when right Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like, isn't there the girl from The Boys? I didn't and't watch it all, but the girl from The Boys, is the pretty blonde one. Starlight. Yeah, like, they give her, like, she's in the cute, like, the skirt and the the thing with the boots, and then they, like, upgrade her outfit, and it's just like a bodysuit and she's like yeah I can't wear this and they're like no no no it's fine and it's it's like ranked really well with like our our like play were better yeah it's gonna do so better and she about how much and how much more limber you can be in this so stupid yeah yeah uh she ends up getting a sweater on over it all right like yeah because
00:47:29
Speaker
It's like a sweatshirt, right? Yeah. Is it not just like a sweatshirt? Yeah. Hang it down with that. um Also, I have, besides hell yeah military capes, let's go.
00:47:39
Speaker
ah Jesus Sprite. Horny little fucker. And then immediately below that, I take it back. Sprite is great. know I like Sprite.
00:47:51
Speaker
I do love that he was like, I'm going to shoot my shot. And then she rejects him. He's like, all right, cool. Like, makes it on the page. He's like, yeah, whatever. The proper way to respond to a my man projection.
00:48:06
Speaker
I get the sense that he does that with, like, everybody he meets immediately. So you shoot your shot, and then you put it out there, and if they change their mind, they can come back and talk to you later. Exactly. They know where you stand. What he say, like,
00:48:19
Speaker
What does he say to the one other hero? He like pauses and turns is like, I'm going to throw a boot at you. that i will I will literally beat you. top Stop fucking with my game. I will literally beat you. That feels like the perfect... like It's like the data side, right? like You're having a conversation and you turn your... I'll kill you. Yeah, and yeah yeah I love it because he's in the middle of just laying it on smooth. Can I just say two private, please?
00:48:48
Speaker
yeah you you but he's lay it on the now I'm beat you beat you in my boot oh yeah like you know oh things are going you know oh yeah we can train long and hard if you know what I say I never get tired of training and know they're like audibly rolling their eyes behind it's like oh yeah shut the fuck up will you let me cook damn it I'm in the zone let me cook david killer but ah in the zone Stop. Oh my God. Stop, please. God, I can't. That's funny. Oh, man.
00:49:23
Speaker
what god I they're like,
00:49:29
Speaker
that's fine and that's funny oh man yeah i think that's why theyre like Unrelated to all that, the costume conversation too just reminded me. um i wonder if that's why a lot of a lot of at least the like thinker types opted for just like suits. Like Accord's just wearing a really nice suit.
00:49:49
Speaker
ah Like a three-piece. Plaster thinker mentality. Love it. Here for it. Yeah. um Yeah. ah Yeah.
00:50:02
Speaker
trying to see i Trying to see what some of the... Before we get to the... Yeah, trying to... Anything before we get to the big old... The big old trigger.
00:50:13
Speaker
I believe in this chapter, and I think maybe the... maybe I think it's the beginning of this chapter where we do have Victoria handing off, essentially, um care of e ah the new you know triggered girl.
00:50:30
Speaker
to tempera person we don't know too much about yeah um right i believe that is actually an added part to this chapter to help smooth the transition from ah one chapter to straight into the paramilitary stuff
00:50:47
Speaker
yeah um
00:50:52
Speaker
ah Yeah, yeah. um The threat of war. And I think this was one of my predictions that I feel like I kind of got right. We'll see how it pans out. But just the idea that the threats in this, because of this interconnected multiverse of Earth, a lot of the threats will come from other Earths. They won't come from Earth Gimel.
00:51:11
Speaker
I mean, there will be threats from Earth Gimel, but a lot of the conflict will be external. So, yeah. actually kind of want to pull my... The good part. predicted. No.
00:51:24
Speaker
Did you mention the jerk wad from 1.1 that interrupts Sprite?
00:51:30
Speaker
Is that 1.1? Literally, we never get a name until this chapter, but, uh, the dude that prevented Victoria from getting on the team.
00:51:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was that shortcut? It is. that that was? I wrote down shortcut, but yeah. Did not make that connection at all.
00:51:55
Speaker
That's funny. No, I forgot about that. No, they do have that conversation. That's an interesting conversation where he's like, oh, I'm the one who said they shouldn't hire you, but I wanted them to know it with me. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. that's right Did he say why?
00:52:13
Speaker
ah Because he's a bitch and he was like, you didn't tell me that you were here and you were trying to sabotage me with all those people there. Oh, it was about the community center. Yeah, he was upset about the community. no, no not the community center. It was when they, the memorial.
00:52:26
Speaker
the ah The girl ah ran into the memorial. Victoria was first on the scene and then that guy shows up Oh, with the car crash. That was that guy? Oh, fuck him. He got pissy because he didn't know she was a cape.
00:52:38
Speaker
Oh, get over it. Oh my gosh. Life's too short. The world is too uncertain. Get over it. Move on. What an asshole. This doesn't bode well, though. We're two arcs in and I'm already forgetting these little like connections. I know. I know. because there's too much going on. It's okay first First reads for big picture stuff, right?
00:53:00
Speaker
That's right. Whoa, whoa. We'll let all of these people... Big picture is in the interlude. Let's calm down. Nice. That's why we're doing a book club with yeah all these people online with us.
00:53:12
Speaker
To help us remember. That's right. Yeah. They keep us honest. Keep us sane. Are we at the broken trigger? That would be 2.4. 2.4.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah. yeah iwin ru End of 2.3. 2.4. Yeah. yeah mean yeah lose seway yeah Moving into 2.4. I do want to... i do I don't know that it was the memorial, actually. um I was looking back through the arc. I think it was the community center because he asks if she went up against Lord of Loss.
00:53:41
Speaker
No, he said he heard about... He recognized her because of the reporting on the Memorial Center. Oh, that's right. the one that showed up to the Memorial... Sorry, the Community Center is what he recognized her from. That's right. Gotcha. Okay.
00:53:58
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Douche. Thanks, Tom. 2.4, Broken Trigger. The Broken Trigger breaks its subjects, the humans it affects, and the parahumans who witness it, and Jessica confesses she made a mistake.
00:54:11
Speaker
um Yeah, Broken Trigger is kind of horrifying. um Obviously, we don't know the cause of them yet. I'm going to assume that my best guess is that because the entities are no longer actively involved in the process in some way, not that I know that they were super involved before specifically, but just in a broad sense, they were involved.
00:54:37
Speaker
My guess is just, again, it's like, okay, their lack of involvement means that sometimes trigger like shards will just explode rather than yeah actually latch on to somebody.
00:54:49
Speaker
i know I was wondering, thought it was like, yeah, like like or like a dead shard or something like that that doesn't that can't attach correctly. I got don't know. It's interesting. i'm I'm very curious how it's explained.
00:55:02
Speaker
Yeah. and pretty Pretty horrific. Visually speaking. Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. Well, just the image. ah So the contrast of those who are getting like ripped apart by it and then the crowd of people rushing towards like trying to get powers. Those motherfuckers. Just a horrifying contrast of crowds running to and from. I'm imagining in my head just like, yeah, yeah.
00:55:31
Speaker
What an awful situation. Yeah, some of the descriptions are just really visceral. of The idea, too, of it being like a nail in your brain where people are if they were caught midair,
00:55:42
Speaker
Yeah. It just catches them midair and then it the the rest of their body falls and their brain just gets like shunted out of their head. that's It happens twice, right? Or it she sees it happen twice. and like She sees it happen twice, yeah. ah girl But the first just like, I'm guessing just gets his brain ripped from him a little bit or something like that. Yeah. Because he just dies and like, oh, it's brutal.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah. That and the tree guy got me. Oh, the tree guy. Oh, my God. Yeah, nothing like your insides turning into a tree and shooting out of your mouth, huh Yeah.
00:56:19
Speaker
And down. And down, yeah. Kind of everywhere. Yeah. I mean, listen, I've had it coming out of both ends before, but not like that. Yeah. not so not Not solidifying anyway, you know.
00:56:31
Speaker
I've dropped some Not turning into a tree. You know what I mean, but... No! Please.
00:56:39
Speaker
Which way? Michael. ah Let's move on quickly. Oh, no. Yeah, no. I love a good body horror, as you guys know.
00:56:50
Speaker
i i find it super fascinating, and like, i i I wish I could come up with stuff like this because the whole thing of like, like the girl who's standing, like she's standing on her tiptoes and they're trying to like wedge something under her feet so she can stand so that she can try and keep her head as steady as humanly possible because of the the whole, you know, nail in your head kind of thing.
00:57:14
Speaker
Like, that is just... Because she slowly... Like, I mean, when you have brain surgery, they, like, screw your head into place. They put screws in your head so that you don't accidentally, like, move even a little bit because any small twitch is going to fuck up your brain.
00:57:29
Speaker
and this idea that, like, she can't move at all and your adrenaline is pumping and your brain is freaking out and you can't do anything and you know shit is bad and it's getting worse and, like...
00:57:41
Speaker
Jesus. we We've talked about before how the entities are these sort of interdimensional beings, and the shards are a piece of them, and there's that, ah the polentis corona. Yes, yes, yes. Corona polentia.
00:57:56
Speaker
Corona polentia, yeah, but ah that they use as sort of like, that's the anchor where powers are set. um And the... e What I'm imagining is happening, right, is that the shards are like fixed points that touch multiple universes in reality.
00:58:16
Speaker
And so what's happening is when they're not properly willing to move with the host, they literally just shoot and stay. And they're just an anchor like through multiple realities.
00:58:28
Speaker
But yeah, 2 plus 4 says the first brain nail victim was midair jumping down from a car. And that's why. Yes, that's right. That's right. yeahank well He went quick. Yeah, Anne. That's right. Her name is Anne. God.
00:58:41
Speaker
We also talk about. And then the last guy too. Yeah. Yeah. ah the the the The tree dude, crystal the crystal tree guy. um That like very much when we ran into Eden,
00:58:53
Speaker
ah in you know the bottom of Cauldron. It's different materials and stuff spilling out everywhere. And that's basically what's happening. you know I talked about the concept of like once we discovered how powers work, you realize it's just like and essentially everything's kind of portals that you control. And in this case, it is a portal to another you know energy dimension that is just having unrestricted access to explode out of you.
00:59:23
Speaker
As opposed to, you know, ah controlled version of this would have been, oh, I can open my mouth and spit out crystal shards. Instead, you know, it just, there's no, the Mantana effect is not doing anything.
00:59:38
Speaker
the like There's no protections from your passenger. It doesn't understand to protect you. So instead of becoming the human torch, you just become a human torch.
00:59:49
Speaker
You just burn up. Interesting. yeah Yeah. My deep theory is I do hope it's... Go ahead, Nick. No, go ahead, Jacob. You got it. yeah Okay, fair.
01:00:00
Speaker
I was going to say I do hope ah my my deep theory is that it's this is all just Abaddon coming back for revenge against Scion.
01:00:09
Speaker
I'm here for it. I like it. It purposely fucking up the triggers and the shards. Yeah, there you go. um Yeah, I think there's this... ah The last guy is the one who it seems like maybe was the closest to actually getting powers.
01:00:24
Speaker
But because he had... like They saw him. like He was surrounded by this mass. He was kind of moving other bodies with him. But it was this fragile thing. And again, his brain was pinned. It didn't properly move with him.
01:00:37
Speaker
So even then, yeah, like when he broke what was holding him up with his powers, he fell and died. And that was it. Yeah. And it was what, like 90 people who passed away afterwards we find ninety three Yeah. Or 92. Yeah. 92 or 93. 92. Yeah.
01:00:54
Speaker
yeah it's It's interesting. i was literally just about to ask this and then i mentally answered my own questions. But I was thinking of like, it's interesting. Victoria's literally getting off the phone You know, just now dealing with this kid who got powers and doesn't know what to do with it.
01:01:11
Speaker
And they're in a bad situation. And she's, you know, making things, figuring things out for them. And they're seemingly okay, you know. And yet you have this event where you have 93 people who are now dead because of this incident.
01:01:30
Speaker
broken explosive trigger and it's like it makes me wonder what the numbers are on new powers that are coming into being like how many of them are coming out broken and I'm sure we'll probably we'll learn more as we go along in the story I don't necessarily need Chad to tell me numbers or anything like that but like it's just I don't know it's interesting to think about like what are our numbers look like now that things are different now that we don't have Scion anymore.
01:02:03
Speaker
Yep. Yeah. yeah I'm very curious. um From a world building and lore perspective, I'm very curious. Although if I can just, sci-fi nerd for a second, I know fantasy stories get a pass because magic and magical things, but if something is a fixed point in reality, it would not stay there. It would be rocketed away at like a thousand miles an hour because the earth is moving through space.
01:02:28
Speaker
Okay, I said my piece. We're good. Move on. I had to say that. Yeah. Which that would be a different kind of horrifying because they're just gone and you're like, what happened? ah But also, everybody go.
01:02:40
Speaker
Right? Yeah. You just got to fix reality and just, yeah. Be great. I'd like to think that the fun sci-fi explanation is that ah the gravity of a planet um would be sufficient to even a broken passenger to like coordinate logistics. Like it's such a powerful energy source that they're like, oh yeah, we're going to stay relative to this.
01:03:10
Speaker
I can buy that. Yeah, yeah. There you go. um Yeah, I think um thematically too, I see that this whole this whole fight, right? It's not really a fight. It's more of a...
01:03:23
Speaker
we need to keep people from mobbing the central power hub where this broken trigger is happening. Um, and it kind of speaks to the desperation for the desperation for people to have power in any sense, right? Like that's kind of even what these protests are about.
01:03:42
Speaker
These demonstrations is like, look, we were promised something we've done all this work. We're not getting it. And this is the only way that they can have any sort of power in this megalopolis is like just shutting everything down.
01:03:53
Speaker
And similarly, there's this realization where um they sort of think to themselves, I'm so desperate for power.
01:04:05
Speaker
Even if it kills me, it might be worth the chance of death to get yeah power to really change the world to do what I need. and I can imagine that power, powerlessness is going to be a recurring theme in this.
01:04:21
Speaker
That's a good, that's a good guess.
01:04:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. um We also get ah ah Victoria talking a little bit negatively about herself um when she talks, sees her power, which I think was in actually in the last chapter too. was going to say, I just realized we didn't talk about it.
01:04:43
Speaker
Yeah. Where people are like, what's that scratching sound while she's getting irritated? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, right. Right. Horrifying for her.
01:04:54
Speaker
Yeah. um And then later this chapter, she she gives she gives the shape a name. ah The Wretch. The Wretch, which I feel like has gone through a lot of therapy to not call herself that. Herself the Wretch.
01:05:14
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, yeah. ho Yeah. yeah Yeah, that one hurt. That one hurt a bit. Yeah, it's the...
01:05:24
Speaker
It's again that taking a character that you didn't feel much sympathy for and letting you see from their perspective why you should feel sympathy. um For sure. For sure. I think she mentioned somewhere in here that the concept of how it was just everything was painful and this idea of he wanted she wanted...
Self-Perception and Therapy
01:05:45
Speaker
so desperately want to turn off the TV, even though she was the one who asked for it on, not because she didn't want to watch anything to distract herself, but just because she couldn't turn it off herself.
01:05:57
Speaker
And that, power like you know, going back to what I said, that theme of powerlessness is just so prevalent there of, I can't do anything. I'm yeah unable. So yeah, yeah, sad.
01:06:11
Speaker
On a positive note, We spot in the distance ah land extending and shrinking to get people out of there and prevent them from going to the trigger. And Victoria says, oh, it's little me.
01:06:23
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad Vista's still around. That was nice. Yeah. After Gold Morning, like, you're not 100% sure who still is around or not. Like, we did have Glow Worm and we had some of those, like, interludes afterwards. But, like, you never... You're not quite sure who made it and who didn't. And it's nice to know that Vista made it through. Also, she came in so handy here. That worked out really well.
01:06:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think we... Didn't we see her with... them Miss Militia when Miss Militia is meeting up with yes I think we did she with bitch right yeah let me and then Vista shows up and kind of interrupts yeah i think so and she's strapped at that point too and she's she's little V with a gun Yeah, let's go. I love it. which which yeah Business powers with a gun is terrifying. we we we are I think we mentioned then, like imagine, take the shot, and it's like, oh, yeah, I'm about to make this bullet. like
01:07:24
Speaker
There's going to no drop distance because about to make this bullet five inches from their temple. yeah Fantastic. she can't She could maybe curve curve the bullet. you know yeah Probably could. Oh, for sure. Probably some things in there, yeah.
01:07:39
Speaker
That'd be so cool to... yeah Or she's like, oh, shoot. Like, I miscalculated, like, pulls the distance as fast as she can on the bullet so that, like, the person does eventually walk into where the bullet's going.
01:07:53
Speaker
Yeah. Or, like, quick quickly, like, shrinks the distance they're walking to so do they walk into the bullet. Right. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Dodge this.
01:08:05
Speaker
Yeah. And then J-Man asks how old. and Um... I believe Roni thinks 17. Yeah, I think 16. 16, 17, yeah.
01:08:17
Speaker
She was pretty young. She was 11 at the beginning. 11 or 12 at the beginning of the story. So she would have been 14, 16 probably. Yes, yeah so 16. Yeah, remember, it's a complaint she has where she's been doing it a while, but she always gets treated like a kid.
01:08:35
Speaker
Right. She's not a child soldier. She's a teen soldier. Yeah. At the beginning, she is 12. twelve At the beginning, she's 12. Start of ward, she should be 17. Yeah, we have here, she turned 13 when Leviathan attacked.
01:08:52
Speaker
And fun fact, if Vista from Fan Vols... Oh, Leviathan was her 13th birthday. Wow, thank you, B.Ferone. That's right. I forgot about Fan Vols, fun fact, if Vista survives one more year, she'll be the only member of the original wards we met to make it to 18.
01:09:09
Speaker
Oh, really? That doesn't feel right. But I guess none of them get to graduate. Not a single goddamn one. Wait, what happened?
01:09:22
Speaker
Am I drawing a blank? What happened when he died? Right.
01:09:26
Speaker
Kid wins out. Kid wins out. Kid wins out. Kid died in the morning. Clock Walker. Oh, he does die in the morning. Clock Walker. Uh, Aegis is out. Aegis died.
01:09:38
Speaker
I think that's Aegis, right? Yeah, Aegis and Gallant. The boyfriend, Gallant, yeah, is out. so i but like yeah And we see Clockblocker. And Shadowstalker doesn't count.
01:09:48
Speaker
Yeah. Shadowstalker is, yeah. yeah but Wait, no. Shadowstalker should count, though, right? Nah. She was a juvie on, like, temporary leave. She was there because it was not prison.
01:10:00
Speaker
Does Theon Greyjoy count as a child of Winterfell? No. He's a ward. Okay? You know? He's a ward. Got it. Right. right Yeah. Clockblocker ate it. The oil rig. I remember that.
01:10:16
Speaker
Yeah. That one hurt. Clockblocker was still my favorite of the... No. Shadowstalker still alive. We know... for I mean, I guess we don't know for sure. I mean, as far as we know from the end of the worm.
01:10:27
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's two years she could have gotten herself killed. Who knows? Yeah. um yeah Well. And then we get to see Jessica.
01:10:39
Speaker
We do. The old JY. The ah queen. Very cool. Yeah. Are we going to talk about how freaking annoying she is for about two seconds? If we're moving to the next chapter. Are we moving to 2.5?
01:10:59
Speaker
Let's do it. I'm so star wifi um sorry. I'm sorry. no I get what you mean, though. I get what you mean. Okay, good. I'm so glad. jessica Jessica asks for help with group therapy.
01:11:10
Speaker
Victoria meets team therapy and Weld. Syveta's got a body. Talk about the Boston games and the group wants to be heroes. yeah so
01:11:22
Speaker
i yeah no i If I can guess what you mean, Hannah, it's about how how many qualifiers she puts on I'm about to ask you for a favor.
01:11:33
Speaker
Yep. That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. Jessica, I love you. I love you. Spit it out already. Get to the goddamn point. Listen. You would never tolerate if If she had just, she should have just brought the, should have just brought like the HIPAA paperwork with her and just made her sign it there and then been like, okay, now we can talk. you and Well, I love it though because it is the most like therapist thing to be like,
01:11:58
Speaker
Now, I want you to understand you have no obligation to to do this. And I want to put out all the caveats out there. Like, it's it's the, it's the it's the ah want to make sure that you're emotionally prepared to deal with the question that I'm about to ask you. And that's like, okay, that's great.
01:12:15
Speaker
We're good. Please. For the love of God. I think somewhere near the end, Victoria even says like, yeah, that's cool. Just tell me what it is. Yeah. Also, because like, I'm being honest, it wasn't yeah that bad of a question. It was like, hey, I need a little help. Are you comfortable with this?
01:12:37
Speaker
Yeah. Just say it. You can ask. There's no need to like turn it into a four paragraph thing. Yeah. Jessica? I imagine it all just comes down to, and I guess now this is going to be what I harp on for this episode maybe, um is Jessica knows that
01:12:57
Speaker
I think she she's acutely aware of the power a therapist can have over heroes in particular. And for for Victoria, Miss Yamada was basically the only person who treated her like a normal person besides Sveta.
01:13:13
Speaker
And so I think it's really just like if you meet with somebody one-on-one for two years and you are just trying to help them and help them and you they owe you one of the biggest debts of their lives for being mentally sane still,
01:13:26
Speaker
I can imagine the the qualifiers of like, look, I'm going to ask you. and And Victoria does say yes immediately. So I understand her. but Please like, just think for a second.
01:13:39
Speaker
Don't say yes. I mean, you know, i I get it, but I understand what you mean too. was a, A bit annoying by the end of like, okay, just what is the favor? Tell us, please. so Well, and just she's trying to do her due diligence, which like it's very therapist of her. It's completely forgiven, obviously, because she can do no wrong, um but also bless ah her sweet self.
01:14:02
Speaker
But also shows why she's probably still around as like the go-to therapist. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Although I do like that she mentions there is there's a team of them though. ah She mentions that that there's a few rotating therapists that sort of move around in different groups, which I thought was interesting.
01:14:20
Speaker
Which makes sense. Makes sense. It does. um' i'm glad it's I'm glad it's not just her. they knew it They need it. Everyone needs to be in therapy. Especially after gold morning. All capes need to be there. Mandated therapy.
01:14:36
Speaker
Ooh, do we think... Did I skim over anything? Do we think that Yamada is like in the know for gold morning? she's got She said she picked up. she's She said ah ah explicitly in the thing that yeah she has gotten a pretty good picture based on talking to enough capes at this point.
01:14:54
Speaker
Would make sense. Yeah, I'm sure she has enough. She was ah Valkyrie slash Glyce Seguinier's therapist for a bit there. Yes, she was. If you're going to get the tea from any of the people who were at Gold Morning...
01:15:07
Speaker
It might as well be the fairy queen. She's going to them. yeah When we first met, you had like, what, 15 ghosts? And now you have like 4,000. What happened?
01:15:19
Speaker
What? What are you talking about? I've always had 4,000. Damn
01:15:26
Speaker
it. Have you been affected Kepri? it's oh yeah. No, absolutely. You may be entitled to mandated therapy. Yeah. Were you touched by...
01:15:37
Speaker
yeah by capri where Where in your brain did they touch you? yeah Which I guess is more of a question for Amy. Oh, no. I hate Or, a you know, Ann.
01:15:52
Speaker
Or Anna, whatever her name was. and you Feeling stuck. stuck. No. No, I hate it.
01:16:01
Speaker
um but no i hate it you like con I've had some bad headaches before, but... Yeah.
01:16:10
Speaker
I've just got this splitting headache. No! No! This tree splitting headache. That's what I said earlier to reference my lack of caffeine. I was like, oh, not to reference later. and No. yeah God damn it.
Team Dynamics and Real-life Connections
01:16:28
Speaker
Okay. We meet the team We see some familiar faces. our boy Weld is alive and kicking and thriving, dare I say.
01:16:41
Speaker
dare I say. Oh, yeah. Hydrated. He specifically mentions that he looks like cleaner. Like he's found a way to obviously absorb metal better or something like that because she mentions that he like just looks clean.
01:16:57
Speaker
better which is really funny yeah he's wearing flip-flops but they're like rubber and metal he he had I love it he had his punk phase right he had his punk phase with the irregular spikes that's yeah true the spikes and the you know and and he's grown out of that now he's <unk>s he's settling down with his girlfriend now um and you know um yeah Also, this this whole scene of them getting together is giving big ah Discord group meets IRL energy. yeah Yes, it does.
01:17:31
Speaker
Which, of course, they're all the people from the from the chats and in Glow Worm. It was kind of fun to kind of fun to to connect those dots. That was funny.
01:17:43
Speaker
I am glad that I called Sveta as one of them. The, you know, hugs you, dies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was good. That was really good. I kind of want to go back and read those glowworm chapters now that we kind of have a better way to I know, really.
01:17:59
Speaker
Yeah. I might wait on a couple more arcs before I go back and read them just because I want to get to know everybody a little bit better, but personality-wise. But, yeah. Yeah. it does It does give a slightly ominous undertone to me because I don't remember that group getting along super well.
01:18:16
Speaker
um And online. Whereas here, obviously there's some tension here, but but here they seem at least a little bit more cohesive. I don't think it was that group that was not getting along.
01:18:30
Speaker
Yeah, there's a couple different people. Maybe it wasn't. don't know. you guys want to see if we can go through and name who's who?
01:18:39
Speaker
ah I fail immediately. i was going to say, can we do it? even I would love to play this game. Can we play this game in like a couple arcs? Because I really do want to try to guess. I just need to know who these people are a little bit better. Okay.
01:18:52
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah. you please oh I was going to say, we this is a really easy. I feel like this is a really easy one. If you want to say their username and just take a wild guess at which one of these people it is.
01:19:05
Speaker
Just their username? See, the problem is I have to remember their real name. Yeah, I don't remember their fucking real names. That's true. was going to say, yeah. There's a reason why I said give me a couple cards. Okay, we'll we'll return to this. we'll yeah put it Yeah, we'll be back.
01:19:18
Speaker
Put a pin in it. Yeah. ah I mean, one of them is obvious because Kenzie's name gets dropped. I mean, yeah, Kenzie was the easiest one, I guess. but And then Sveta was the easy one as well.
01:19:30
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Sveta's, her use of, because they're, I imagine they're they're hollow. All of her prosthetics are hollow so that she can manually kind of operate them.
01:19:44
Speaker
um But I love that kind of, and I mean, a doll suit sounds kind of creepy, but like, yeah, it's giving her, a shape and a form to be able to function and like her, her little, her touches with Victoria, like the way that they hug and like how they hold hands or lean on each other, like is so sweet in this chapter that like finally Sveta,
01:20:09
Speaker
As a body, like, oh, so lovely. Dare I say mannequin inspired. No, very, yeah like an actual marionette sort of yeah with strings. Internal and marionette, yeah. But yeah, an internal marionette, which is how muscles function with how like the tension works. Oh yeah, absolutely.
01:20:26
Speaker
Like tendons and muscles, absolutely. the and The one thing that got me though was like, Sorry, Jake, real quick. The one thing that got me is in the description when she hugs her um and then she puts her hand on the back of her head and can feel the tentacles wriggling under her wig. Underneath. I'm like, ooh, ooh, ooh. I forgot about that. That was a little creepy.
01:20:47
Speaker
I mean, I feel like, I feel like, yeah, crack in a jar. I feel like um she's she's so much more happier and comfortable with herself. And like we, know you know, later on we see it like with the people being like,
01:21:00
Speaker
not catcalling, the opposite of catcalling her on the street, just being dicks. It was like, you know what? I will take this and people being dicks to me over not being able to function in society at all.
01:21:14
Speaker
like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. less Also, I just love her and Victoria's relationship so much, like already, like ah them bonding and like, ah, this is the first time they've gotten to see each other in bodies.
01:21:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. but Yeah. Fran pointed that out in chat that they didn't even know that Victoria's body was fixed. So seeing her. yeah yeah Yeah. And Victoria didn't know that.
01:21:41
Speaker
Benta had a body either. Yeah. Right. Yeah. like I was going to say, I do i do love how they mention ah that her prosthetics were not Tinker made. So somewhere out there is like a prosthetic specialist who's been overshadowed by Tinkers their whole life.
01:21:57
Speaker
And now finally is like, my time has come. it's to make... normal prosthetics. Yeah, it's crazy. Well, there's probably, they probably always had, because we talk about the degradation of Tinker technology.
01:22:10
Speaker
There's yeah probably still very few times that Tinker technology actually like is wide, is like useful for long-term stuff. Like you maybe use Tinker technology to do a surgery, but you have to have regular human made stuff to like,
01:22:29
Speaker
That's true. So it doesn't... Be you know a heart transfer. Not the heart point, but like a pacemaker. You'd have to put in a human-made pacemaker. You couldn't do a tinker-made one because the tinker-made one would... Would explode.
01:22:42
Speaker
Yeah, it would just... yeah i also I also get the sense like tinker technology, because because of their specialties, right? It's like, yeah, exactly that. Like tinker technology is like, I can't make a normal pacemaker.
01:22:53
Speaker
What I can do is replace your heart with a V6 engine, though. yeah you do have to drink gasoline nice fun But you'll learn.
01:23:06
Speaker
A lot of people got to adjust like almond milk and stuff. You just got to do, you know, remember to get the 87, though, not the 93. The higher octane will really mess you Oh, my God.
01:23:18
Speaker
that's that's great. oh Now they're back. Also, I love them being like, Jessica, you scamp. you knew. like, yeah I said that Victoria was, you know, but you know mobile. And you're like, yeah, we thought like on a dolly.
01:23:36
Speaker
Yeah. and but but god Oh, actually, actually, this brings to mind something. i don't know if I mentioned earlier Did say this before?
01:23:48
Speaker
I'm sure I must have. When Jessica and Victoria see each other first for the first time, which was the last arc, I think, where she she doesn't say, or or is it or is it here with Sveta? I can't remember who it is, but they see Victoria and they go, it's so good to hear your voice.
01:24:06
Speaker
And that fucking killed me because for so long, Victoria couldn't speak, couldn't communicate. And like, it's such a difference from, it's so good to see you because Victoria's had such these issues with herself and her body, how she views herself.
01:24:24
Speaker
And then the important part of that interaction is it's so good to hear your voice finally, like to hear you not to see you or see what you are and see the real you as opposed to like the wretch you. But no, like it's so good to hear your voice like that.
01:24:43
Speaker
ah just felt really good. it made me really happy. And I just cried tears of joy also. Yeah, Sveta says a similar thing, too.
01:24:55
Speaker
does, I'm pretty sure. i I never knew what you sounded like like. This is the first time I'm talking to you with your actual voice. And i love I love Victoria's awareness, too, to realize, oh, she can't like feel the little squeezes, right?
01:25:08
Speaker
She has her little tentacles, so she shakes the arm. She just shakes a little bit like, oh, my God. Yeah, mean, her and Weld love her.
01:25:20
Speaker
love love beautiful just dont great i love that well doesn't need therapy yeah he's like all right you guys you kids have fun i'm all healed you know this this uh this ah this body ain't the only thing made of metal
01:25:39
Speaker
ah deal of horse i do what's it um I think this is later but probably a couple chapters later but when they're talking and Svet is like got to figure out how to cook for Weld for ways that he can he can eat he can taste it yeah got to be it's got to be spicy enough for him to taste but a nut but it's not enough to kill people and something like that. Yeah.
01:26:02
Speaker
Yeah. i'm I'm just imagining god their their apartment must spell like the spiciest Indian food known to man. Yeah. It's like all I'm imagining. It's <unk>s all the hot one's hot sauces just laid out.
01:26:18
Speaker
And like, what does he go through the most? It's like, oh, it's de bomb for sure. Yeah. At least I can feel something. It's not good, but it's something.
01:26:31
Speaker
Oh, love it. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Oh, man.
Team Cohesion and Motivations
01:26:35
Speaker
So good. so who are the I want to go through the names of the other members. Yeah, so we've got in the group now, we've got Sveta. I know we've got Kenzie, who, Lord bless her little ADD heart or something. We'll get to her. So we got Kenzie. We got Capricorn, whose real name What his name?
01:26:52
Speaker
we got kenziey ah we got capricorn whose real name is what is his name well's um ah Did they say? Is he Tristan?
01:27:04
Speaker
Yes. yeah yes that's tritan juststan Is it Tristan? Tristan and am ah Brian. yeah by byron bri or Byron. Byron. Don't worry. I read his name as Brian for probably a good three quarters of Ward.
01:27:19
Speaker
I think mentally I thought it was Bryce. um Yes. We've got Tristan and Byron. um And then we've got Chris is the moody one.
01:27:30
Speaker
um The moody tween. Do we know his rain name? Rain. Rain. Whose name is Rain? Only Capricorn has a hero name because he was a hero prior.
01:27:44
Speaker
No other. that we know like gave this name and I'm pretty sure. Oh, Ashley. Ashley was Damsel of Distress. Damsel of Distress, yeah yeah. Which I've got questions about her too, which we'll get to. So many questions.
01:27:57
Speaker
So, yeah. Yeah. And then and then Rain. ah Sad Byron is sad. Instead of hot Brian is hot, we got sad Byron is sad. It's so good. good.
01:28:12
Speaker
And that's all of them? I think think that's all of them. Yeah. I think they said there may be one person missing. No. I thought the person missing was Ashley who came in late.
01:28:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Ashley came in. That's right. That's right. Yes. Yeah. um Interesting group. Interesting group for sure. interesting.
01:28:34
Speaker
I understand why Jessica's worried about them forming a team. Yeah. Just for obvious reasons. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean, not to, I mean, if we're just going to ignore the trauma bonding thing, because that's a whole issue in and of itself.
01:28:50
Speaker
the the They do not seem like a good
01:28:56
Speaker
like coherent cape group. like The fact that Victoria is going to be like their coach kind of is probably for the best. like some the The vibe coming off of this is in need of some serious but parental bre oversight. you know Let's see what we have. Two tweens with the wildest spectrum ends as possible.
01:29:19
Speaker
Let's see. ah The moody, ah the the brother's mood, I'll call them. Brothers Brothers mood, which aren't even the brothers. I'm going for Rain and Byron as the brothers mood.
01:29:34
Speaker
was going to say, is Rain not the twin? now No, Rain's not the twin. ah Byron and Kristen. Yeah, Byron and Kristen. No, I didn't say twin. I said tween. Oh, no, Kristen. Chris is the other tween.
01:29:50
Speaker
yeah ah Chris is the teen. Chris Kenzie are like 12, 13. Those are our tweens. Then the brother's mood. Then ah Tristan as our face.
01:30:05
Speaker
And then, you know, a very theater kid supervillain. um yeah i do like I know we're getting into it. This shouldn't be great.
01:30:17
Speaker
And we're kind of dabbling into the next the next chapter too here. But like when she's going over all of their reasons for wanting to like go out and and do cave things, it's like, well, I want to not die. I just want to be a villain.
01:30:31
Speaker
I'm in it for the money. like It's like there's no organization at all. It's a mess. But yeah it's going to be a good time. yeah no like I just want to not be left out.
01:30:42
Speaker
I just want to be included. Poor Kinsey. Poor Kinsey. Yeah, I felt bad for Kinsey because she is absolutely, she hit me as the epitome of that teenager who is at like peak awkward development where she doesn't quite know when to when to stop talking.
01:31:00
Speaker
She just says everything that comes to mind immediately. She has no no prefrontal cortex filter, you know, combined with what appears to be tinker powers and I don't know if all Tinkers have ADHD, but I'm starting to suspect it might be a side effect.
01:31:13
Speaker
yeah She does have because he does have my favorite quote of the whole arc, which was, ah I specialize in cameras. or my my Tinker specialty is cameras and large awkward boxes.
01:31:29
Speaker
My specialty is large, awkward, box-shaped cameras. I've got to find the coding. That's basically it. yeah The bigger and more mobile it is, the better it does.
01:31:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so sorry yeah yeah um and then none of the other powers are really explained. We know about Damsel of Distress, and I guess we know... We could look up what Capricorn could do. He's probably got a wiki page. He got into Reign's... Oh, yeah. Reign is a cluster... Yeah, Reign's a cluster trigger. That's right. With... Oh, yeah. Reign's... Snag.
01:32:08
Speaker
Yeah. person who almost beat Victoria. yeah Yep. um With not even his main power... Yeah, i do you kind of catch because when she's when she's talking to about it, she catches that it it feels like where she's like, oh.
01:32:23
Speaker
huh yeah Oops. I was in danger. yeah yeah Oh, the way Rain was like tracking tracking when they were strong. I'm very interested in cluster figures right now. It's so really interesting.
01:32:36
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah. Snag's main power is ah directional change. Yeah. we We ran into who was the person that could do that but to everybody else in Chicago?
01:32:50
Speaker
Was it Topsy-Turvy? oh Yeah, Topsy-Turvy. but Yeah, yeah. Okay. ah But Snag's main power is a mover and it's to do that to themself. That's why he was like flying around through walls and stuff and changing midair. It was not because of the claws grabbing. It's because he could just shift which direction gravity is for him and then lunge that way okay and then grab with the claws.
01:33:14
Speaker
Pretty good. Yeah, yeah. um but it was like i use word advice Don't look up. Yeah, that's great. Don't look up anybody's powers. We won't. We won't. We get explained. No, no, no.
01:33:25
Speaker
Yeah, we're not looking at yeah only looking at people who we've we've heard of before in Wyrm is all I would do to remind myself what to do. And you know what? I appreciate y'all keeping us from looking up stuff. That is a Keeping us honest, chat. open us every time Every time when we're like, I can't remember when this happens, yada, yada, and you guys all put it in the comments and tell us what we forgot, prevents us from Googling it and getting a spoiler, which I know I'm going to do. I love that. so It's great. I love having smart people in our chat.
01:33:55
Speaker
You guys are the best. That's always the worst thing, right? When you're like, oh, I want to know what was that character's name? And you're like, you know, the girl in in the movie. And it's like, so when the girl in this movie dies and you're like, I haven't gotten to the movie. God damn it. Like I found i found out, um I'm not going to say who, of course, but a a character in Better Call Saul passes dies at some point. a big deal.
01:34:20
Speaker
And i so I was like, what what is this character? What's going on with them? I Google something about them. It's like, I guess prior to his death. And i'm like, God, every time. You don't Google it. No, no, no.
01:34:31
Speaker
Yep, can't do it. yeah Thank Google. um But yeah, yeah. this is ah from ha um Okay, so Damsel. um Yeah. Is she not dead?
01:34:42
Speaker
She died, right? She's a clone. We watched her die. She's a clone, right? She's one of the clones. We her, I think, but she speared on the end of... a I don't know if we saw her death on screen off screen, but I'm pretty sure she got speared by ah Arms Master when they went downstairs to kill Black... i would you know I was to say, I'm pretty sure we get that described. That's what I was, because I was like, wait, no, no, no. yeah She definitely died.
01:35:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think we see that. So it's of the clones, right? It's one of the Slaughterhouse 9000? Yes. Yes. as well but I mean, I'm nodding yes, feeling very assured of myself, but I have definitely assumed that the whole time. i mean, that would make sense.
01:35:21
Speaker
yeah wouldn that would She made a shit ton of clones and she pulled all of the past members. and and you know and then i i mean i know they hunted down a lot of them, but it makes sense that Damsel is hanging out. joe and to to bernard To Bernard's point in chat, I think it's all but explicitly said that she's a clone. like it's I believe so, yeah.
01:35:48
Speaker
It's basically just said like, so you died, right? And she's like, yeah, I did. or one of me did or something like that. but Yeah, yeah. It's when they're like walking outside, i think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's all but explicitly said that she was one of the Slaughterhouse 9000 clones. somorphan which Which makes sense for her MO of kind of like, I'm probably supposed to be a villain, so I'm just going to learn what I can about being a hero and then become a villain. And everybody else like, nah, we'll change your mind. We can fix her.
01:36:19
Speaker
Yes, can fix her, guys. Oh my god. so she Yeah, literally, she's like, I'm going to learn everything about you so I can defeat you. Yeah, it's just, it's great. Whoops, the sequel.
01:36:32
Speaker
Yeah. I love the the logic of like, well, you have to help us some, right? Like you you can't just go until we fail first because then you're just going to immediately because we're obviously going to fail. yeah it's a wonderful lizard i still hate the slaughterhouse 9000 in concept but following along with that this is great you know if you're gonna have something like that it's what makes wild bow so good it's using got honestly kind of shitty cliches because they get used so often and doing them correctly um i think I think slaughterhouse 9000 is like the lowest probably on those cliches for me but you know
01:37:15
Speaker
Pays dividends in Ward, so here we are.
Clone Dynamics and Humor
01:37:18
Speaker
It does make me wonder how many other clones are out there. Of all the other members. Quite a few survived, if I remember right. Didn't like lot and like a lot of Harbingers survive?
01:37:30
Speaker
like Is there just a little... group of number men. they fucked off like immediately, remember? Yeah. but Well, we did the math and this is bullshit. what Did... we could Am I misremembering that the real number man convinced a bunch of them to be on his team?
01:37:49
Speaker
Yes, because they all logged in to... They all found like places where they could log in because they all know the passwords because they're all each other. And then... If I were me...
01:38:02
Speaker
yeah would be this yeah i i did want to say real quick as an aside thank you wonderful lizard of oz for your ah sympathy and the the same better cost all characters that's being spoiled dang yeah so yeah mainly the harbinger clones joined uh let's see oh two plus four has a quote from arc 30.
01:38:24
Speaker
I found a members of Bonesaw's Slaughterhouse Nine, a mannequin, two damsels that were keeping each other company, a Nighthag Nix hybrid, and a Crawler Breed hybrid. are some the ones know. Crawler Breed hybrid? Get the fuck out of here.
01:38:38
Speaker
Yeah, I'm about to say that's the worst thing Bonesaw maybe ever made besides Capri. they yeah Also, that's, I'm assuming Capri going through all the portals, literally like, yeah that's grabbing people. Yeah, picking people, Snapping people out.
01:38:51
Speaker
I mean. Now, we don't know which of those survived Gold Morning after. I assume one of them didn't. Well, the thing though is like, if one of them, if they had both made it, I feel like the damsels would have stuck together. But now that we have one damsel, I assume one of the damsels got at, you know, Gold Morning.
01:39:09
Speaker
Maybe. This might be the surviving damsel. That's just two damsels in a room playing Russian roulette. Or no, no, no, no. It's two damsels in a room doing the princess bride poisoning scene.
01:39:22
Speaker
Clearly you should drink the wine in front of you because I would never put the wine in front me. would never the wine in front of me. It's them just arguing the entire time and then, oh no, yoink. Yeah.
01:39:33
Speaker
Yeah. Beefaroni just wrote two damsels just hanging out trying to out edge each other. i i read that in a moment of dyslexia, just trying to edge each other out and and out edge each other. that Yeah, out edge each other.
01:39:52
Speaker
Definitely. I don't know. Keeping each other company. Trying to out-edge each other company. Look, we know... I mean, listen. we can also keeping each other company Keeping each other company is a choice phrase. like i'm not yeah I don't think you're who is you're necessarily on the wrong track. Come on, tell me you and the boys haven't been hanging out in the dorm room trying to out-edge each other. We all know what we would do with our own clones, right? like you know Just a bunch of gooners.
01:40:22
Speaker
don't know. gotta move on. Michael's just like, I can't with you. I think people neglect, you know. with that With the classic clone case of would you, you know, fight them, fuck them. That's right. Honestly, i don't want to do either. I just want to i want a game with them.
01:40:37
Speaker
Be like, oh, sick. All these multiplayer games. i Remember, you can't spell game without gay. Anyway, next chapter. Gay for me? Next one.
01:40:49
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but Gay for me. miss um
PRT's Impact and Power Speculation
01:40:53
Speaker
Where are we at? 2.6.
01:40:56
Speaker
Victoria chats with the teams about the harder side of heroics. Reigns clusters after him. She connects the dots to Snag. Damsel plans to return to villainy. Capricorn is a K70. Vicky is team coach.
01:41:07
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Lots of important character beats. we've kind of touched on a lot of this already. i think one of the big things we didn't talk about were the Boston games. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea is basically like the PRT was so good in Boston, they just eliminated crime from Boston for a brief moment.
01:41:26
Speaker
And then every other villain team was like, good in ava shoot, Boston's up for grabs now. Yeah. yep yeah I mean, it created a vacuum and everyone went through the hole. Which sounds...
01:41:37
Speaker
Oh, man. It sounds great. You know what they say about holes. About filling holes. That's right. Especially in Chicago. You to put concrete in them. Concrete. That's what I call a deep dish right there.
01:41:53
Speaker
With regard to... We're getting tired. gotta move on. I know. With regard to ah Capricorn, did I understand they were unique?
01:42:05
Speaker
Not every twin pair that triggers gets... But they did because they were... I think it's if they're touching. They were, they were taught okay.
01:42:15
Speaker
which I think that's what Victoria says. That's not what I said. no. They were keeping each other company. They were. Trying to outage each other. No, Alan, stop. No, but but she said something about that, like, it's... it's
01:42:31
Speaker
Sorry, I'm sorry. i was reading i was reading i was reading the chat. But I think it's the ways when they're touching. That's what makes the, like... happening yeah So what happens to normal twins when they... trick Did they mention that? I was trying to remember if skipped over. he said it kind of depends. like it It varies. There's not quite a clear science to it.
01:42:51
Speaker
um Because he said like twins, if a twin triggers, typically their twin will also trigger and they get similar or sit like close enough powers. um in Which is kind of an interesting theory in terms of the shards maybe have something to do with genetics because that for identical twins at least that would make more sense.
01:43:11
Speaker
I forget which character it was, but there was... i forget which character it was but ah there was and there's and all the way back in Worm, but there is a character where the shard is seeking out somebody and it sees a father and daughter getting mugged.
01:43:28
Speaker
And it was going to the dad, but it gets confused and jumps into the daughter because the DNA was so close. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then 2+, put it out. Fenya and Menya have the same power, but are two different people because they're sisters that are close enough.
01:43:47
Speaker
I don't yeah think they're twins. No, they weren't twins. um Yeah, but yeah, if they're if they're touching in some way... Was that Imp, Bernard?
01:44:01
Speaker
Maybe. What was Imp? Oh, Imp is the shard that you're talking about. I don't remember. Maybe. I mean, it's similar to what happened to Taylor, right? that was Imp shard, I believe.
01:44:15
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danny but then grab taylor of course that's just ah completely made up uh yeah it's not confused it just decided imps was a better host than her dad yeah okay yeah yeah yeah um aishha yeah yeah yeah and j-man j-man makes a good point like now in relation to the boston games that's probably why most PRTs now, they, like, you know, Tattletail says, we play this game with each other where, oh, we commit some crime, all the heroes stop us, three strikes, here you know, and it, there's kind of a balance of power there. um And yeah, yeah, interesting.
01:44:52
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um Yeah, I don't know, it's so
01:44:57
Speaker
so interesting just seeing that idea. And yeah, he said there are other ways that they can get merged, which are probably less enjoyable even maybe than what he and Byron experience, I can imagine.
01:45:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. And I wonder, I wonder, you and this isn't just me trying to have some sort of sick fantasy going on, but I wonder if twins could potentially have group triggers to being both K70 and a group trigger and how Kiss Kill works into that.
01:45:27
Speaker
There you go. Not not good, I imagine. No, not good. That's where you get like you get you get the family of like the two twins who also marry two twins and have kids who look identical, and then they have a group trigger.
01:45:40
Speaker
Oh. The Brady Bunch triggers. I was like, this just sounds like New Wave, but worse. I was about to say, it's kind of given the Dallin family just a little bit.
01:45:51
Speaker
Old Wave. Yeah, yeah. Wonderful Lizard said it's fun generating K-70s. I can imagine like you imagine like, okay, take a, take a pair of twins and like, imagine what, what that could be like. It's interesting.
01:46:06
Speaker
But yeah, the, the problems that Tristan points out of like, even just basic things, he's like, I'm kind of a partier. Byron was not, I want to go do things, but Byron's always watching.
01:46:18
Speaker
A little awkward. I feel like you got to start leaving notes for each other, guys. Like, i don't know if you do that already. How do you communicate? You got to pull the memento thing. Okay, we've all seen your name. So we know how some of that works with the body swapping. Also, memento, like another classic. I imagine you just keep a you just keep a journal and you just like to write notes to each other. Severance, come on.
01:46:38
Speaker
I just it out loud, guess. They can swap whenever they want, right? They're just in agreement. So they could just have a conversation with themselves and just swap back and forth. Just swap, swap, swap, swap. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. Which once again, severance. Like two-hour increments?
01:46:53
Speaker
Also, Bernard, that was not said yet. Really got to keep ourselves in check there.
01:47:02
Speaker
Yeah. And I read it too, but now I know. Bernard. mean...
01:47:09
Speaker
I
01:47:12
Speaker
ah yeah i think it's interesting the hair thing that he has yeah yeah his hair is like magenta and then Byron's used to be blue but he doesn't do that anymore yeah i did love not about that life
01:47:31
Speaker
yeah ah the yeah like up Of all of them, I think I'm most sympathetic for them right now. Rain's a close second. That sounds rough, but yeah I don't think that beats absorbing your twin.
01:47:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty bad. Most people do that in the womb. Yeah, that's... you know
01:47:56
Speaker
ah For Rain, what sucks, I feel like, is he's like, yeah, I was part of a group cluster trigger, but um kind of got the worst powers. Now they want to kill me. like And he can't even... He's like, I can't even i can't even use like all the other powers. I just get a really weak version of them.
01:48:15
Speaker
Like, I can build mechanical arms, but they fall apart. it's like They can only hold, like, up to two pounds. He's like, yeah I can make you feel, like, a little angsty if you're if you're not paying attention.
01:48:27
Speaker
and
01:48:29
Speaker
What is he? Is he... Remind me. I'm getting confused. Is he the one whose main power is he can make things brittle? or whatever it is. That's him. Okay. Yeah.
01:48:40
Speaker
Also kind of a shit power. Sorry, Rain. You just got, you just got a rough draw there, but it happens. Yeah. That could be a really good power. Like it's sort of the opposite of Lord of loss where when he repeats things, it gets, you know, stronger and stronger. You know, you could, yeah those combined, you could really do some damage where he like makes it weak and then just absolutely, you know, punches at half the amount he has to before.
01:49:04
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um Also, 2 plus adding with the Kisskill 70 thing. One of the other cases, a 70s that Tristan lists off is called House of Three, ah which is based in Quebec.
01:49:18
Speaker
And House of Three in French, menage a trois, which all know is a nice word for a threesome. Yeah. I mean, it's a great name. It's a great name. Well done.
01:49:31
Speaker
it's a great name well well done naming ah You know what I actually imagine? yes
01:49:41
Speaker
I'm sorry, you were imagining the triplets, Nick? No, I was thinking like like in terms of superheroes, when I think of triplets, the first three that come to mind are the Powerpuff Girls, unfortunately.
01:49:51
Speaker
Yeah. i'm imagining ah What I'm imagining though is like you take the the personalities of the three Powerpuff Girls, right, and put them into one body and they're like constantly flipping.
01:50:03
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That's probably an episode. Probably. yeah should be which ah Speaking of which, um according to a lot of power rankings, the three Powerpuff Girls could pretty much take on most superhero universes.
Mentorship, Family Dynamics, and Tension
01:50:18
Speaker
oh yeah yeah They're pretty powerful. They're strong as hell. yeah They're hard the hard to beat. like Somebody was saying, somebody's like who would win like Conquest from Invincible versus three Powerpuff Girls? And they're like bro, Bubble Solo's Conquest, what are he talking about?
01:50:36
Speaker
Oh my gosh. yes
01:50:41
Speaker
um um Anyway, i'm I'm all here. Coach Victoria, once again. i love it. ah You know, my favorite, ah like it i love coaching and you know having Coach Victoria as our main, I've always wanted to write a story that's just the mentor character.
01:50:58
Speaker
but You know, yeah leading the adventure, you know, helping the adventurer or the adventurers along. And this is this is just that. It's and Hey guys, let me tell you now how to not feel like coach coach Vicki coach Vicki just has it. Oh, that's got a good ring to it. She's got a jacket. She's got a jacket that says coached on the back and like there's like a bank robbery. They're foiling and like, us hey, are you going to step in? She's like, no, no, you got this.
01:51:25
Speaker
Like, I'm not going to step in until it gets out of control. And the villains are like, what are you doing over there? like i I'm just coaching. you know now i'm just see Now I'm just imagining her as like the football coach on the sideline. like Go left!
01:51:39
Speaker
Go What you doing? She's got the clipboard and she snaps it over her leg. Takes the headphones off, slams it on the ground.
01:51:55
Speaker
Just like your Yamada's there to like yeah be the person who like grabs them by the jacket to like pull them out of traffic. so that yeah Yeah, gym teacher Vicky. That's exactly what I mean. trade Put me in coach. Rain, we'll get you in there. We'll get you in there eventually, Rain. Somewhere near the end of the season.
01:52:13
Speaker
Rain, today's not a good day for you. We got to wait for one of your strong days. Rain is just Rudy, but he can't even at the end. No. yeah
01:52:24
Speaker
They had the big climactic moment at the end of Rudy, but Rain just runs out into the field to go do go fight, get his tackle, and just and just gets obliterated. just oh yeah Pigeon Boy adds, and Tattletail is the rival coach.
01:52:39
Speaker
Yeah. We'll there. We'll get there. it's hyd to do Goes to do like the the whispering the whispering behind the thing so you can't lift read, but she's like, I already know what you're saying. Damn it.
01:52:51
Speaker
Just standing menacingly on the opposite side. Yeah. Just smirking and you're just like, fucking hater. Fucker and hater. Yeah. ah um Shoot.
01:53:05
Speaker
ah o yeah Yeah, but I'm i'm i'm excited. I'm excited. Nice. we We have Kenzie's serious moment, right? Where she's like, oh, I'm happy bubbly. And then she's like, do not leave me out of this.
01:53:17
Speaker
but She gives me strong, like... like this ah maybe this is wrong to say, but she gives me the vibe of like, I i will hurt myself. Like, do not leave me out of this. but No, I, oh my gosh, child, please.
01:53:32
Speaker
emotional state. Like, we've seen her, we've seen her in Glow Worm, you know, Is she the one that made all the bots or is that somebody else? I think so.
01:53:43
Speaker
I think that's her. Is that Kenzie? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. it It upsets me that she's going home to have dinner with her family and yet here she needs to have a fake mom that hugs her, says nice things to her. That worries me a little. I'm not going to lie. When she started talking about going home for dinner, I was like, oh no, Kenzie.
01:54:06
Speaker
Kenzie, no! immediately her phone doing things. Yeah, sweet pea. Is Kenzie also the one where somebody... Sorry to interrupt you, Hannah. Go ahead. No, no, please go ahead.
01:54:22
Speaker
He's like, hey, you know your activity visible, right? And we can see you've been online literally all day. I'm like, no. Probably. if Is that her I'm pretty sure that's her. It probably is.
01:54:34
Speaker
yeah That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Gosh. That's rough. so That's rough. Felt bad. But good character development. I'm very invested in all of these characters. Good character development.
01:54:47
Speaker
Well done. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, I like... um ah wem Sorry, are we in chapter... What are we in chapter we now yeah we we're in We're in We're kind of... No, we're in six. We're we're in six.
01:54:59
Speaker
We're kind of bleeding into seven as well. Yeah. Let's just get into seven because yeah we got to wrap this shit up. i um My head's starting to hurt little bit. Yeah, 2.7. Yeah, we'll go quick. 2.7, group meetings wrap up wraps up, ah friends catch up, and field trips are planned and explored.
01:55:17
Speaker
Ald, acquaintances are not forgotten. Ah, yes. Yeah, before we get there, I do like favorite random side character of the arc is definitely, it's a Rain's friend, right?
01:55:31
Speaker
What's her name? Yeah. Yeah. I'm getting, yeah there was too much too much time given to her to just be like, just a nobody. So I'm curious what her deal is. I'm assuming we'll get back to her.
01:55:48
Speaker
um I love the conversation too where Victoria's like, ah poor Rain. Or no, Sveta's like, poor Rain. And Victoria's like, you mean because he's about to sit in a car in an hour and a half with a girl he clearly likes?
01:56:01
Speaker
And she's like, oh, I meant like the the group cluster stuff, but yeah, that's not true. Yeah.
01:56:09
Speaker
And like, Victoria had noticed, it was like Rain did a terrible job hiding his interest. Yeah. just yeah right um And by interest, do you mean boner? Yeah. percent Yeah, absolutely.
01:56:20
Speaker
Yeah. um Also, a chat, watch yourself with ah with Kenzie. I'm keeping an eye on y'all. Let's not get too spoiler here. Come to the Patreon.
01:56:33
Speaker
Yeah, just go to the Patreon. Yeah, just don't join the Patreon. It's all talk spoilers together and not spoil things for Hannah. And I mean, $1. $1 is lowest tier.
01:56:45
Speaker
That's $1 a word. and yeah It's old texting style where you got to pay credits. Pay by the penny per character.
01:56:56
Speaker
um i have i have a little theory on the little characters here. um And it's uh, with our, what is it? Six ish characters that we have.
01:57:07
Speaker
I'm trying to remember, but like, how do they correspond as like combinations of our undersiders as a team? Oh, fun. Okay. So like the idea that like Chris is clearly our region type.
01:57:21
Speaker
Um, uh, Kenzie is like a combination of imp and tattletale. Uh, ah Vic is kind of this weird like Taylor plus Brian and a little bit of Tattletail too um where she's you know clearly got all the Taylor energy but also like the calm like Brian like hey let's take this calm and coach this you know but also the Taylor like we got to do something um you know Chris has also got a little that bitch in there too ah Rain is actually kind of got strong Taylor I got bullied energy
01:57:57
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um ah let's see who else who else we got Tristan Tristan is strong tattletale like face energy um yeah Ashley i thought and then Ashley is absolutely you know strong bitch plus Taylor a little bit of plus Taylor yeah see yeah yeah yeah for Ashley I was thinking more bitch or regent like kind of a mixture of those yeah definitely bitch with the like
01:58:29
Speaker
Chris is more just a bitch because he's like the whatever. I'm not going to talk. I don't need this. I would have gone like teen to like the region like oh you fucking dorks and Chris definitely has that like.
01:58:41
Speaker
ah See Rain and Rain kind of had more of the region vibes for me in the sense of like yeah people want to kill me. It sucks. really use your You know like he's much more the like straightforward. I don't know. But yeah, Ashley, how they're so interesting.
01:58:54
Speaker
um It's interesting how they are hard. this You can't do that one-to-one exactly, of course, because they're all much more unique and different in their own ways. But very fun. It is fun. very fun Similar tropes. If they became a superhero group, what would their group name be, asks Fran?
01:59:12
Speaker
Yeah, group therapy is a good one for us for group therapy. Get help. Get help. and I know Discord, I think, was a hero, but I feel like the Discord is also a good group name. they Not for heroes, maybe, though. Group chat.
01:59:29
Speaker
Yeah, the group chat. length The group chat. In cells in distress. In cells in distress. I'm sure Ashley would love to keep something about distress in the name.
01:59:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yep. The wards. Yeah. No, not the I'm trying to think of like a stupid team name. Who would ever name their team thats nice that? I'm trying to think of like instead of Charlie's. Victoria's Babies. Yeah, Victoria's.
01:59:59
Speaker
Oh, ah yeah, definitely Yamada's. It's like Yamada's Angels, but it's Yamada's Cherubs. Yeah. Yamada's Cherubs. A bunch of precious little babies. Yamada's dysfunctional.
02:00:10
Speaker
Glory Girls. Awesome. i Glory Girls. I knew who... ah glory girls goons you know oh the goon squad No.
02:00:23
Speaker
All right, guys, let's get in there and goon all over the place. I was i was reading something that was like, I was reading something like, like you know, there's not many good words for like your underlings anymore. You know, like henchmen is too gender specific.
02:00:39
Speaker
ah When you say minions, all anybody thinks about is the weird yellow people. And let's not even talk about goons. Yeah.
02:00:49
Speaker
Wait a minute. was Was chat trying to get us to check off a bingo square by making us come up with team names? It feels like a bingo square. Maybe. Did we just get that? Was it? it was not a bingo square.
02:01:01
Speaker
I will say, J-Man 2 appointed by saying... ah like it. Suicide watch squad.
02:01:09
Speaker
That's good. To J-Man's point, he said he loved Ashley. She was hilarious. I do hope she turns out to be a good guy solely because if so, then it gives strong Captain Dread Pirate Roberts where it's like, yeah good morning, good evening, good work, most likely kill you in the morning. do want to.
02:01:29
Speaker
She's good. It actually says that every day. Yeah, I want the constant threat of her turning evil, but she does never. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. would be Same. Same. It's like, well, good work team. Good evening. Most likely betray you in the morning.
02:01:44
Speaker
Just every day. three years. Let's see. ah well i'm gonna ah The phone menu yeah is also the same concentric ring like the PCOS.
02:01:57
Speaker
Yeah. So we had that. love the consistency of the operating system in the universe. i Let's see. Ooh, Aaron. ah Victoria. Yeah, Byron's not my type because I don't date Soy Boy Beta Cucks.
02:02:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was also, we're going back into like a little bitchy attitude. Her like totally noticing Byron's look and then also Ashley's look and just like Victoria, like, listen, girl.
02:02:26
Speaker
Calm down. Okay. please. Look, look, I'm just going to throw it out here. The hot girl knows she's hot. Yeah. Hot girl knows she's hot. Also, when do you think the last time she did anything was, you know?
02:02:40
Speaker
Oh my God. No, no, nothing. net ne Years. Years. Years. Gallons. So real quick, was the last thing that anything happened was Amy?
02:02:54
Speaker
Oh no, Alan. I knew that's where you were going. I
02:03:02
Speaker
So that was like, what, four years ago? And goodnight, folks. That'll be it. We're done. On that No, but I did get in ah in like a real sense because she talks so much about Gallant in this arc. Mm-hmm. That like she's still very much still in love with him.
02:03:19
Speaker
Oh, for um But no, I got the sense that she obviously hasn't had any any serious relationship of any kind since then. No. yeah um let's see uh oh to confirm because this was a big thing a talking point i i remember from worm uh director armstrong was a director for boston um oh that was right in the air ah but uh confirmed yeah yeah Weld was a Boston word at first, right? yeah right yeah let us not Let us not forget Weld has a Boston accent. well I'm trying. yeah
02:03:59
Speaker
Thank you, Jacob. you That's usually my rule to bring that up. I love this quote from Aaron. Hey, Victoria, good to see
02:04:11
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you. Is that your Boston accent? Something like that. It's like a little Italian.
02:04:19
Speaker
That's what they call Boston, Little Italy. but I was going to say, you had the close-prong New York Italian. Which, honestly, is pretty similar. A little bit too in New York. You know what? We'll let it start. If you want to know what a Boston accent is, I believe the best example is, correct me if I'm wrong, what's that a bald, red-headed comedian?
02:04:41
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Bill Burr. Yes. bill Am i a correct in saying that he is the Boston actor? He's bald redhead. Bill Burr kind of does. I would say ah if you want to if you want to watch a movie with a great one, My Cousin, great one.
02:04:56
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yeah um of course like Of course. Just watch some clips from My Cousin Vinny of the character Vinny. That's good. It's Joe Pesci. Marissa Tomei.
02:05:08
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though though That's just just New York. That's a strong New York accent. I thinking the same thing, 2 plus 4. I think I mouthed that question out loud. He has a red beard, guys. Yeah. that How do I know that like Michael here is red hair?
02:05:24
Speaker
Beards are still hair. Because Michael has no soul. Your head. I don't know if you know that. So off track here. Yeah, okay. Bernard, you're right. Boston accent isn't a real accent. They made that up for Ward.
02:05:38
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um ah My favorite quote from this thing was, Erin, you look a lot like Glory Girl. I am. I was. and was. Something about that makes me feel like this is the hold to whole of Ward. It just tickles me pink.
02:05:53
Speaker
I love that she she saw it immediately and immediately called it out. like She wasn't like in her head about it. She was like, you look like Glory Girl. She's like, I was. like, oh, cool. And then they move on. like i i That's a good interaction. Yeah.
02:06:06
Speaker
You know what's not a good interaction? When she gets a note handed to her that just says, hey glory hole.
Tattletail's Provocations and Interludes
02:06:14
Speaker
Oh, yep. Oh, good. Oh, my God.
02:06:18
Speaker
like Best way to end an arc. I love Tattletail. But in that moment, I hated Tattletail. Now, listen, bitch. Listen. Listen, no we like Victoria now. There's no need to be such a cunt.
02:06:32
Speaker
Listen, they she had to use the signature line, right? Yeah. She had to. like She had to use the signature line. Exactly. We needed to know. Otherwise, how do you know? So good. and also Exactly. We know how Tattletail's power works loosely.
02:06:45
Speaker
So we know like at some point that day, after like four years, all of a sudden, she was just like, nice. ah We're hanging on to this one.
02:06:57
Speaker
Since before the end of the world, I've been hacking onto this one. I love it. Okay, so here's a prediction of something I wouldn't be looking forward to in one sense.
02:07:09
Speaker
We talked a lot in Wyrm about how Tattletail's power... her mouth gets her, like, is her power, but it gets her in trouble, right? Because she's always, like, smack-talking people. And then she almost dies most of the time because of it, like, with Jack, with Glory Girl, even. Yeah. Where it's like, oh, talking smack, slashing in the neck. um i I can foresee if Tattletail is much the same person she was before,
02:07:35
Speaker
we could get some really nasty psychological warfare from Tattletail. Oh, yeah. Now with Glory Girl as the protagonist, it'll hit a little bit differently. And we know... I'm very interested to see... yeah I'm very interested to see how Tattletail acts as an antagonist now rather than an ally to our protagonist. Yep.
02:07:56
Speaker
yeah Right. Oh, because... we She hired a guy named Cleet, so, like, she can't do that well well. no, no, no. Cleet called her. Right. Right. This is Cleet's town. And Cleet was like, hey, I need to go to the baddest badass that I know for info. Who do you go to? You go court or to Tattletail. Speaking all the way back to that coaching thing.
02:08:17
Speaker
so we So far, we have kind of set that up where we've got Victoria coaching you know ah group therapy over here with one of the people from that group cluster. But we also have a ah the group the the cluster person over in that community group wrecking crew.
02:08:35
Speaker
ah that was ah run by Tattletail. she They had the earpieces where she was feeding them information. Literally coaching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah ah We didn't talk much about that at all with the negotiations.
02:08:47
Speaker
the the the people The theocratic society on Earth. what What have your name? We didn't talk much about that at all. That's the next one. Interlude. Is that the interlude? Oh, that's the interlude. That was crystal clear. I forgot about that. We feel comfortable putting rocks in our eyes.
02:09:05
Speaker
Yeah, I think that was after all the Amy stuff. Yeah. um And ah to to end the the that section, I have the quote at the end. and just love it.
02:09:17
Speaker
This is how things are now. And then fuck that. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Victoria just can't let that shit slide. It's so good. We're so back.
02:09:27
Speaker
Real quick, ah before we get to the interlude, in the seven arcs, by my count, I only found one. Fuck me. Anybody guess what chapter it was in? oh is it during the cluster?
02:09:40
Speaker
I was going to say had to be during the cluster trigger. ah Two plus four got a bingo. We'll have to see what it was first. Oh, no. Okay. Yeah. ah yeah all Any guesses? any guesses i i Jacob is right on the right track.
02:09:57
Speaker
Okay. oh ah They sent it in the Patreon chat. um I think this might have been Let's see. ah We've got Crystal Clear's Eyes, which...
02:10:09
Speaker
chat y'all were cooking for trying to get them to cook on those but good for you bingo crystal clear's eyes glow worm user confusion these fallen are going to become a problem bashing shortcut and we'll read all of them at the end all right okay well done i will say when i did say the rocks in the eyes that was that was actually a a thing i read in chat earlier i was after we were talking about amy and then i was thinking about it i was like yeah we do need to move on let's get some rocks in our eyes so yeah
02:10:40
Speaker
I feel like that was a fishing one. let's move on to the rocks of the ice then. Yeah, rocks. What happened? Oh, it was 2.4. 2.4 is the one. It was 2.4, okay. 2.4, yeah. Wait, which one was 2.4?
02:10:52
Speaker
What happened to 2.4? It's the one instance of fuck me in the arc. Oh, it's the broken trigger. Triggers. I literally have on my own broken trigger, man. Fuck me.
02:11:05
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unrelated but i should have known you should be right on the money it's seeping in wonderland over here has a double bingo with uh let's see bashing shortcut who is damsel of distress visceral reaction to brain nail and glow worm user confusion as well as these fallen are going to become a problem svetta welts uh the svetta weld squee visceral reaction to brain nail and crystal clear size. Nice.
02:11:33
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Well done. Well done. These are great. not dig get he died and goes All right. So, yeah, read us that in. The interlude. ah Yeah. Crystal clear starts his first day at foresight, but it proves to be a bigger deal than anticipated.
02:11:48
Speaker
Rat catcher is introduced. Hell yeah.
02:11:56
Speaker
I did say ah that Kenzie was my ah second favorite cape introduced because Ratcatcher is my first favorite. but I love Ratcatcher.
02:12:08
Speaker
Absolute immediate first favorite cape. It's going to be hard to beat for a while. i I did wonder if Ratcatcher had any kind of weird connection with Mouse Protector.
02:12:19
Speaker
yeah was also wondering. Same vibes? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I love that she's just got rat in her pocket. lets Just got one.
02:12:30
Speaker
It made me so happy. She probably caught it. oh ratner fuck yeah
02:12:37
Speaker
I like that that it's explicitly noted that when she wakes the rat, the rat is not unhappy. The rat's fine. Yeah, he's like, chill. Yeah, just like, all right. There's somebody who used to have rats. They're great.
02:12:49
Speaker
ah just this This line from her where she's like, Rathputin, the attractive older gentleman in the peacoat, carry earth and eyelashes to die for. Something thrown in the coat.
02:13:00
Speaker
Naughty. Naughty. We keep the colorful commentary down. Yeah, minimize colorful commentary. So funny. I love it. I see rat catchers on comms. Oh, it's great. no And once again, once again, yeah the interlude chapters are and just my favorite chapters.
02:13:25
Speaker
They're so good. They're so good. Just, i I don't know what it is, if it's just the alternate perspectives, little bit of world building. i think Wildbo just has more fun writing the interludes.
02:13:36
Speaker
Maybe he feels less constrained. i don't I don't know what it is, but I love reading the interlude chapters. They're always so much fun. Just a blast. Yeah. Just a blast. Just a blast.
02:13:48
Speaker
Just a blast. Yep. Also, yeah I know we've talked about like, if you had a power, what your power would be? i I too wish to carry around a small woodland creature or, you know, city creature in this case, in my pocket at all times. Like, that is the dream.
02:14:02
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on On cool powers, and we're going to touch on a cool powers, I'm sure, at the end. But Wild Boat does it again. ah Big Picture's power is yeah fantastic. So cool. What a great power.
02:14:15
Speaker
Yeah. And just focus on something for as long as he wants to. As long as it takes. is What a great... It's more than that, too, right? says, everything I want to focus on, I clone my brain and my I can give each and every detail every bit of my attention, and I can slow down my perceptions if I want to study it more.
02:14:36
Speaker
yeah so it's ah I loved how Ratcatcher's accent was creeping into your description there. but Was it? Oh, man. Yeah, you you started to like slowly do the list. Everything I want to focus on, I clone my brain and my mind. Anyways,
02:14:53
Speaker
yeah, but just the the idea that... um Yeah, he, it's sort of like, it reminds me of Coil's power only in the sense of like the split mind thing.
02:15:05
Speaker
Yeah. Where it's, he's like, okay, my mind is here, but also here, but also here, but also here. Very cool power. Yeah, for sure. um if for those of you who read the king killer series it sounds a lot like the Ehlers, which is a person in order to do magic, figures out how to split their mind. And they practice by hiding something in their mind from another part of their mind.
02:15:29
Speaker
And the more Ehlers you can do, like the stronger you basically are. Um, And this sounds like he can do Ehlers where he's just like, oh yeah, if I need to solve a problem, I break that part of my mind off and I set it to work doing that. And it can take as much time as it wants.
02:15:45
Speaker
And I'm like, oh, but also how do you cook, you know, a hot pockets without a you know microwave set a part of your brain to do that. And like, he could just do that infinitely. Yeah, it's great. ah What a fun power.
02:15:58
Speaker
I loved the setting here where they're obviously talking.
Earth Chite Politics and Societal Insights
02:16:01
Speaker
What's what's the other earth? Earth? um Chite. Chite. Right. Yeah. height Kite.
02:16:09
Speaker
Please chat, whatever that is. um ah But it's basically you get the sense that, I don't know, I don't think they really say it about the other side, but you get the sense that both sides have like their thinkers in the back, just like watching everything.
02:16:24
Speaker
Yes. Keeping an eye on things. Just get that. Yeah. but I also love, you know, and chat, don't, don't talk about this yet. Cause I'm sure we'll figure it out.
02:16:36
Speaker
ah But um I really love that this is a thinker power, but for some reason it feels like once again, how unique this thinker power is, is you're a super smart individual because not because you have an enhanced intelligence,
02:16:51
Speaker
but because you have a multi-dimensional or parallel dimensional cloning ability. Right. So it's like, it's, it's essentially ah like Sater's quantum ability where like, you know, yeah yeah where he's like shifting through the powers to heal, but this guy's kind of doing you some weird quantum cloning going on inside his head to solve problems.
02:17:17
Speaker
We're like, oh, that's a really way, cool way to make a hyper-intelligent character.
02:17:27
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. um Yeah, i do I do agree a little bit with J-Man that it felt like Crystal Clear was more here just to be an observer for us for this arc. Yeah, definitely.
02:17:39
Speaker
You know, it it was kind of cool seeing a little bit of his power. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um So, yeah, the... So, Earth... Shite. I almost called it shite. You did call it.
02:17:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Earthshite, which sounds like shite with a theocratic ruler, whatever that means. um Who doesn't want to talk to Sierra? We get a call back to Sierra, which is fun.
02:18:08
Speaker
Yay! That made me so happy! And yeah, just seeing that again, it's like, I do love the analysis, though, where he's like, Sierra, running for mayor or governor of the city. Seems like it's not going to work out, though. Probably has alternative motives.
02:18:23
Speaker
Yeah. has ties to Has ties to like some villain groups. Like probably won't win. love when we see again. i love that she's gone from like dreadlock hippie, you know college student kind of like alt, you know, to ah so I'm basically running to be in charge of the city.
02:18:40
Speaker
A fine upstanding citizen running for mayor. I love it. I want her to win so bad. She probably won't, but like I want her to just to. Yeah.
02:18:51
Speaker
Also for Earth Kite. um ah it's but It just sounds, at this point in time, like, ah was it Margaret Atwood's Handmaid?
02:19:05
Speaker
Like, what if they also had some superpowers there? Mm-hmm. Handmaid's Tale, yeah. Handmaid's Tale. Very strong, that vibe. maybe I wasn't sure that they had powers there, actually.
02:19:18
Speaker
They do. They're very few. Yeah, it sounded like they're just better. like They're healthier. They're more people. they've got They're more organized. They did weren't hit as hard as Gimel.
02:19:32
Speaker
Vic! Hey, Vic. Oh. i right Yeah. yeah so um Yeah, yeah. I think... um Yeah, the alternate history. and Because part of what they wanted, right, was basically just just leave us alone.
02:19:52
Speaker
Like, we'll give you supplies and you don't bother us. And don't implode. Don't implode so badly that we have to fix it. Yeah. yeah Yeah. I love that she here too Totally lurking in the back. I see you. know
02:20:10
Speaker
Yeah, very very interested to see. Obviously, this is setting up to be a pretty major plot point. So I'm very curious how ah this plays out. Do love seeing... We got Narwhal on scene.
02:20:24
Speaker
Yes. i love I love that the Crystal Seer is like, damn, those crystals, though. I know. I love it so much. He's looking fine. Of course, the Crystal guy just sees the crystals.
02:20:37
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, my God. I love that so much, actually. That was really fun. ah Definitely getting some vibes that... Well, not vibes. It's confirmed. Like Weld is deep within the in the know.
02:20:49
Speaker
is He knows what's going on. I like... I'm going proud of our boy. yeah i see. He's such a... What a boy. What a boy. Weld done. there a hint? Ah. Clever. Um...
02:21:01
Speaker
ah clever um Okay, is there is there a hint at the end that Crystal Clear gives that the PRT, the Wardens, like this new group that Weld and Narwhal are part of, they have kind of their fingers in all heroes that are active, it sounds like. Because that's what he's saying, right? is He's like, yeah, like I'm with Foresight, but you, the bigger group, you're asking Foresight to watch these people.
02:21:31
Speaker
So what are the Advance Guard and the Attendant doing? Which are other, quote-unquote, independent hero groups. Is that kind of the... yeah what Did I pick up on that correctly? That was the vibe. Yeah. Absolutely. Because the attendant are like watching ah like the refuge like ah refugee camps.
02:21:47
Speaker
They're like the fallen we're recruiting from. I think that's the attendant. Like the shepherds that we're going like fold into each other. So it's like, really, we're just rebuilding the PRT. That's what it sounds like.
02:22:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But... with a little bit more autonomy maybe for the individual. Less constraints. Blackjack and hookers. Yeah. Build my own PRT.
02:22:14
Speaker
Yeah. ah yeah um Let's see. Thinker issues. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, another, because we've talked about being like classic brute.
02:22:27
Speaker
ah We've talked about mover, like in previous things, like, oh, that must be that mover mentality. And here we have thinker issues. I really hate being out of the loop um and mover mentality, like always have to be on the move.
02:22:41
Speaker
um i do I do really like that we are yeah mentioning these small things and kind of yeah hinting at them and sometimes explaining them. Pros and cons with every power.
02:22:54
Speaker
Yeah. I imagine Brutes probably just as a result of their power dislike complications. They prefer simplicity, you know, because if I can hit it, then I can solve the problem.
02:23:08
Speaker
I like that. Which kind of makes sense if you think about like, was Ballistic a Brute? No, what was he? Ballistic? Ballistic was a striker. like Yeah. Striker?
02:23:19
Speaker
Okay, never mind. Well, maybe Strikers and Bruce are similar in that way then. now we Who's a character who's like, give me the simple answer, show me where to punch and I'll do it. and i guess like Somewhere like a Strikers Blaster.
02:23:32
Speaker
Did it have to make contact? but all right Long distance. i will say yeah you There's a lot of category names I've forgotten when it comes to powers. I'm sure we'll go over them Victoria will go over them because Victoria will explain them. um The power levels on this are actually a breaker form if you really think about it.
02:23:53
Speaker
but but Actually, almost everybody has it. Okay, favorite powers. We'll go through this real quick. All right.
02:24:03
Speaker
um favor power is tough but I'm gonna give it to uh to big picture for this one I think it's just a real fun power yeah and I'll second yours, by the way. I also big picture for me. Yeah, big picture is cool. We didn't really see many new powers exemplified here. We really Yeah, true. We have so many people, but we didn't really get to see all their yeah new people, but not many new powers. ah Big picture is definitely the coolest one.
02:24:31
Speaker
I'm curious what exactly Ratcatcher does. Same. yeah Only because she's just like, I can see small things. I'm like, okay. what What do you mean? Provives alone. like What do you mean, though? Do a cavity search.
02:24:44
Speaker
Yeah. A cavity search, yeah. you so Jesus. The buxom woman with something in her bra. no The one that, that one got me. And for that reason, Rat Catcher is my favorite.
02:24:56
Speaker
and for that reason rat catchtcher is my favorite Yes, yes. All good. All good characters. No, I really like Crystal Clear. I mean, we know him already, but I i think his power is really cool on the whole. we didn't talk about it, but the whole, ah you know, pulling the crystal out of his eye and like adjusting the eyelid. So nothing's, you know, yeah has a real eye behind there.
02:25:17
Speaker
Yeah. And it just kind of gets pushed out of the way. I thought that was really cool. I liked the the more nitty gritty of like how his, you know, body works with all the crystals. I thought that was really neat.
02:25:28
Speaker
yeah I did like the description of him in the hospital of like him wearing shorts and she's like Victoria's like it's really weird to see a guy with a crystal head with just like normal hairy legs. That was great.
02:25:43
Speaker
Yeah that was really good. yeah Yeah. Alright. Well we should wrap it up. um that um and ah Quickly predictions. ah Any predictions we just said fallen problem.
02:25:55
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Fallen problems. War is brewing, so that usually means war is coming. Bernard wants to know if we had to choose who the most worrisome therapy group member is, who do you think it would be?
02:26:07
Speaker
um I'm going to go with Rain, actually. i think the fact that he's being targeted is not himself. He's definitely the most... ah he's He's like the weak point. at the like Obviously, Ashley is yeah ah a villain, but I'm getting the fake villain vibes.
02:26:26
Speaker
Chris is just quiet. Yeah. yeah ah Yeah. Yeah. For sure. right Ashley's like long-term problems. Like we're going to run into this being an issue. Eventually she's not leaving. Ashley's like the fallen. We're like, we'll deal
Rain's Predicament and Light-hearted Close
02:26:37
Speaker
with Ashley. Yeah. We'll deal with that in a second. But yeah, no, I agree. I think rain is problematic if he's getting hunted and that the people that are helping hunt him are being helped by paddeltail.
02:26:48
Speaker
Like that's problematic for sure. You're fucked. Yeah. Not great. Yeah. I predict bad things will happen. Yeah. yeah There will be conflict. There will be conflict. There will be blood.
02:27:02
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All right. With that, anything else? Any other predictions?
02:27:09
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Tattletail is going to be a bitch. Tattletail is going to be an absolute bitch. I think that Tattletail, this is just an out there prediction. think Tattletail has become a couch potato.
02:27:21
Speaker
And... She spent so much time in front of her computer monitor. she's like just like She's still the super genius, but she's just got like an ill-fitting t-shirt with Cheetos things on it. It's her vibe that i get now.
02:27:35
Speaker
um It's the only way to stop the headaches. yes Yes, exactly. The Cheetos. It's the puff Cheetos. She found out. She used her brain to figure out that's the only thing. Look. Makes sense.
02:27:47
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yeah I'll read off the So She's Become Pigot. a destroyer. He's becoming to get saddles. Uh, on that note, to finish out the night, I'll read off our bingo sheet. Uh, we actually missed quite a few on this that I was surprised at, that's fine.
02:28:06
Speaker
Uh, how old is laser dream? Um, bashing shortcut. It's about to weld squee. Pijamas. Visceral reaction to brain nail.
02:28:17
Speaker
What the fuck is up with Chris? Yeah, like right away spells pajamas with a Y, you know, the wrong way. well Did he really? oh Like a British. That's because he's Canadian, right?
02:28:29
Speaker
Do you not spell pajamas with a Y? That's funny. P-A-J-A-N. Americans spell it P-A-N-A.
02:28:36
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americans spell i yeah
02:28:40
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That's why I didn't notice it. That's why didn't notice it. Yeah, let me go park my car in my garage while I'm at it. um Visceral reaction to brain nail. What the fuck is up with Chris?
02:28:51
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Everyone loves Kenzie. Hannah cries, which I do count. yeah Hannah did cry. cried twice. I cried twice in this podcast. I didn't show it. I leaned back so you couldn't see my eyes at this thing.
02:29:07
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I did wipe away tears. Let's see. Comparison between how Taylor and Victoria handle children.
02:29:18
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Rain is boring. Oh, oh We did get close, but we didn't. Uh, rain is boring. a cat on screen. There is a cat dangling his little beans right here, but he's not on screen.
02:29:30
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And it's terrible. Cause right before stream, there was one just clawing the shit right here and then left to go play. We can see beans. yeah I know I can like walk into the other room right here.
02:29:41
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No, I'm not. You got to get those beans one day. Um, let's see cat on screen glow worm user confusion. Who is damsel of distress? Someone remembers who the fallen are.
02:29:53
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These fallen are going to become a problem. And crystal clear size. Yes. Yes. Yeah. ah Remember you can submit some, uh, in our ward spoilers, uh, discord.
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