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Swapski, from opening for Tyga & Big Sean to Ordinal artist
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In this episode, we met with Swapski, a one-of-a-kind self-made man.
Swapski is multitalented, his expertise goes from art, music, to social media and entrepreneurship. 🎨🎶📲 Listen to EP004 as we dive deep into his pioneering journey in ordinals NFTs and more... 🚀🔍✨
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Catch-Up and Personal Background
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My man, there you are.
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My guy.
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How's it going?
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Good, man.
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Really good.
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Beautiful day out here in Halifax, Nova Scotia, so can't complain.
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How about you?
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That's really cool.
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Yeah, very beautiful day and very hot day here in the south of France.
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I didn't even catch last time that you were from Nova Scotia.
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That's cool.
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Yeah.
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Born here.
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A lot of affection for Canada.
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Have you been to Canada?
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Yeah.
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I lived in Toronto for a year.
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Oh, nice.
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I lived in Toronto for a couple of years as well.
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Love Toronto.
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Yeah, me too, man.
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Me too.
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I miss it.
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I wanted to ask you a question.
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It just like randomly popped in my mind and because I wanted to get into it easily.
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And the one that came up was what's your relationship to adversity?
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Overcoming adversity my whole life, basically, bro.
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Firstly, I'm obviously I'm black, African Nova Scotian.
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So just that in itself being belonging to that minority group, you have to overcome adversity every day in the real world.
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You know what I mean?
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Whether that's racism, discrimination, dealing with the setbacks of slavery, all that, right?
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And then also just regular life stuff that people go through, right?
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Like friends, bad business, sports.
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I played a lot of sports when I was younger too, right?
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In like high school and one year college.
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So a lot of adversity in that winning and stuff.
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You know what I mean?
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I was a winner, so I won a lot.
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I had to play in a lot of games.
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Yeah.
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tight moments, pressure moments, having to overcome and stay focused and stay composed is super important.
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And like some, a lot of people don't know.
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I haven't really shared publicly is like, I lost my brother when I was four years old.
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He was one years old.
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So that was super early on in my life.
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And I had to overcome that deal with that throughout my life.
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My mom's a single mom as well.
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So all types of adversity and, and,
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hardships I had to overcome throughout life.
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How does it feel you now?
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Because you're, from what I'm seeing, you seem to be at this point where you're thriving or starting to thrive.
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Like I can see the inflection point in what I see from you, like some success that people would thrive for.
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And I know that adversity overcome equals adversity.
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like getting to perseverance bliss yeah how has it fueled you and and how do you how do you use that daily and and what is your because you still face face adversity because we all do that's just part of of of life but being black uh in in northern america and and being an artist and being an entrepreneur well you're exposing yourself to even more so
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How do you deal with that on a daily basis?
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Meditation is a must for sure.
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I'm probably after this, after this going to go in the sun and go for a walk and then meditate and just feel the, feel the energy of the earth, bro.
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That helps a lot.
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That has helped a lot past like five years.
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Yeah.
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since I've adopted that.
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But yeah, what fuels me, man, is just like what my motive, what I'm motivated by.
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And that's my family, my community and doing right on earth, just like giving back, changing the current system.
Diving into Bitcoin and Creative Evolution
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Right.
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Like I feel like Bitcoin was made for me.
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I was made for Bitcoin in a sense with how everything is unfolded and just like what
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the morals, ethics, and ethos that Satoshi laid out, I'm super aligned with it.
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So like being able to see success through the market and seeing, having a vision of where this could go and what I could do to help change the world is kind of what fuels me now.
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That's sick.
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I'm, I'm antsy to get into the Bitcoin and ordinals.
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But before that, because again, you're,
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you're at that inflection point and you seem to be thriving in ordinals and BTC was made for you.
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And I can't see that personally because I've looked at your stuff, looked at your content and just your overall energy on all of that.
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What was your journey before that?
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What was your journey up to that point that made you so, all right, like ready to seize that opportunity when BTC came up?
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Oh man, it was a long, long, long journey.
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five plus years in crypto, 10 plus years being a creative in art, like taking art seriously, as far as a recording artist, a producer, I played around with photography as well.
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And along that journey with like music, photography, production, it's like I had to wear different hats, right?
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So in different disciplines, whether that's graphic design,
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audio engineering, promotion, et cetera, right?
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So those 10 years, like I've been pushing over those 10 years on and off, mostly on, under different brand names, right?
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Under different pseudonyms, under different artist names that ultimately I didn't feel comfortable with because I've grown out of them.
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I grew out of them.
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So like consistently rolling out, okay, that didn't work.
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doing it again, that didn't work over 10 years, 300 plus songs, probably only like 70 around that released.
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Um, but a lot taken down that kind of prepared me as far as content, as far as creativity, um, as far as yeah.
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Art goes like, you know what I mean?
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My eye, my, my eye, my ear, my taste level, um,
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and I'm a student to the game.
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So like I studied hip hop, I studied the greats, the business moves, the creative moves, what made them great, where they went wrong, et cetera.
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I was very obsessive over this for years because I wanted to be great.
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And aside from that,
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I kind of lost my train of thought, but.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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I can see the student in you.
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I think that's one of the things that is harder, hardest to accept when you're on this journey.
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And it is that.
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Most of the time, it's going to be a learning experience.
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And most of the time, it's going to be a... It's not about where you're going, but it's about where you are right now and the steps that you're taking.
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And you have to detach yourself from the goal and the outcome and accept that you're going to have to scratch pseudonyms.
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You're going to have to scratch songs and pieces of art.
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That's huge.
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That's actually huge, bro, because...
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early on in my artistry and my journey, I was so fixated on how it would happen or how I was going to get there and like, throw my journey of personal development.
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Um, I listened to this, this crazy seminar, bro, this crazy like audio book seminar by Kevin Trudeau.
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Um,
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What's it called?
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Your wish is your command.
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Dude, I went through that as well.
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Five years ago, someone gave this to me.
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It was my first foray into like, like the next step.
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It is.
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It's next.
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It's next level.
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It's next level as far as like, um, what's it called?
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Uh, the law of attraction.
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The law of attraction.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I won't go super deep.
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It's like manifestation on a high level, right?
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Can you remind us?
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You don't need to go super deep, but I love, and I think people listening to it would love also a reminder of the major concepts because it was so long ago and this has evolved so much that I don't even remember them myself.
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Do you still have them in mind?
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Right.
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So it's like...
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not freshly, but I'll try.
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So there was like four, four stages, right, of learning.
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So it's like, what is it, man?
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It's basically, I'm not, I'm not quoting it verbatim, but it's basically like, there's a point in learning, I'm not even going to do it.
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I'm not even going
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Cause I'm going to butcher it.
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But, but, but I understand the concept fully.
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We'll have to touch back on that for sure.
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Um, and I'll have to refresh on it cause I haven't listened to the, to the audio book in probably like a year or so, but I, there was a period of time where I was just listening to that every single day.
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And when I first found it so powerful, I,
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I was so powerful.
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I binged it, but there was a teaching.
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There was something in there.
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He said about, um, like manifestation and getting to your, your end goal.
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Right.
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Um, and it was about just not being fixated, right.
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Not thinking about the how, and like the exact details of how you're going to get there, but focus on just getting there, like focusing, focus on what it's going to feel like when you're there, what it looks like, um, why you want to be there, et cetera.
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And like, let it, let it happen.
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You know what I mean?
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Exactly.
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This is what I took from it.
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So it's like, you can't be fixated on the process of how it's going to happen.
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You just gotta, you just gotta let it happen and trust that it's going to happen.
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Absolutely.
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It's such a fine balance too, because you have to be fixated on,
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You have to be drawn.
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You have to look at it.
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You have to want it.
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Because if you don't have that North Star in mind, then you're not going anywhere.
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So to a certain extent, you still have to imagine it, to imagine what it's going to feel like and to put some emotion and some energy behind it.
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But also at the same time, if you're just only focused on that,
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and not on the steps that you're taking in order to get there, then you're going to get stuck.
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And it's the whole, like, that's life for us.
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It's, it's a permanent imbalance and being okay with it and, and, and doing the back and forth.
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For sure, bro.
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I had to, I had to Google this shit real quick.
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I did it as well.
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And it makes so much sense.
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It's like the four stages of like learning.
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So it's like unconscious incompetence.
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Right.
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So it's like where you don't know, you're not aware of what's happening at all.
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You don't know, you're not aware of it.
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Right.
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So that's the first stage.
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And then there's conscious incompetence.
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So it's like, you're aware
Societal Narratives and Self-Reflection
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of it, but you're not sure of how to do it or what's going on, but you know, it exists.
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Right.
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And then there's conscious competence where it's like, okay,
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I'm aware of it now and I'm, I've learned a bit and I can practice it.
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I'm doing it now.
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Right.
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But I'm still learning while I'm doing it.
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I'm still building, mastering my craft.
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Right.
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And then there's unconscious competence where it's just second nature, first nature, second nature.
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It's primal at that point where it's like, you've done so much work, you've done so much studying that it's just natural.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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But another thing,
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key thing to take away is like you're never, you never stop learning.
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So one thing, uh, I took away from that.
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It might've been another book.
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I might be confusing them, but it's like, never, never say like, yeah, I finished that.
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Or like, yeah, I've completed or I'm done learning, bro.
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Because you're always learning.
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Even if, even if you read a book, you read it again, you'll get a new perspective.
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You learn more again.
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Right.
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So,
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100%.
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Yeah, I'm never at the finish line.
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I'm always getting better.
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I'm always improving.
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I'm always trying to reach and be better than my last.
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Yeah, there's so much value in that, what you're saying.
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It was me when I was like 15 or 16, and I know I've heard some people say they were the same, where we kind of try to bring that certainty and that security that there is a point that if we reach it,
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then we'll be good.
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Then we'll be set where we're done learning and where we're just like living bliss.
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And most of the time, and because it's a big concept that is passed on to us by society, it comes from material stuff.
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Like the usual, having a good job, having a wife and having kids and having a house.
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Retirement.
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Retirement or whatever.
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That whole concept is, yeah.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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It's crazy.
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It's just you reach those points and the bliss doesn't come that way.
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Right.
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It's funny you spark just a concept of that or at least an idea in my mind or something I want to say about it.
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It's like they've trained us so much to think that, okay, obviously you graduate, you get a job, you work all these years and then you retire and then you can just relax, right?
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But even the people that do retire,
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Are they always, are they always, do they feel fulfilled?
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Are they happy?
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Sure.
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Some of them, but a lot of the times you see people who retire, go back into work because they're bored.
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Right.
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Or old people that retire, they start to wither away because they're not doing anything.
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Right.
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Because we become addicted.
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Exactly.
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But when you're doing what you love, you know what I mean?
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It doesn't feel like work, bro.
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So it's like, if you're constantly doing what you love, you're getting more energy from that.
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You don't need to retire.
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Right.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Yeah.
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You don't need to retire and you it has to doing it because you love it is a is a is an important component.
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And another one is it is.
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And the other one that I would add is doing it without what it gets you, because even if consciously you're like, yeah, OK, I'm doing it because I love it.
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And a lot of us do that.
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Like we are lucky enough that we found ourselves like doing stuff that we love, but then subconsciously you still have that ego.
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You still have your parents' voices, the society's voices that tells you like, this is what this will get you.
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You're doing that job.
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Okay.
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You kind of like it, but you're still doing it for the monies.
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You're still doing it because it gets you that status.
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Approval, whatever it is.
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Approval, a hundred percent approval.
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That's it.
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That's the, that's the box that we, uh,
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that we try to go into.
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And you know, it helps a lot with that.
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Um, sovereignty.
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I mean, a solitude, sovereignty, solitude.
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Yeah, both, but like solitude, man, like, uh, I'm a homebody myself.
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Um, I like this.
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I like to stick to myself.
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You know what I mean?
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I have a lot of friends.
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Don't get me wrong.
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I'm not a loner like that, but I am a loner.
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You know what I mean?
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I like my own time.
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I like,
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being in my own head and having my own thoughts before I step out into the world.
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Right.
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And it's like, we're so conditioned to be group herd mentality from the moment we hit our first institution.
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Right.
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Uh, which is like elementary school.
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It's all group.
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Then you hit teams and sports teams, but then it's all group, group, group, graduate, or you go to the high school group, college group, work group,
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It's all like, you know, so you don't really have, you don't really have time to just be on your own and have your own thoughts and think like, what do I like?
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What do I really want?
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What do I like?
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You know?
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So some people aren't even aware of that, you know?
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And like, if you are aware that solitude, you know, if you are aware that solitude really helps you just clarity, focus, um, and helps you love yourself.
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You know what I mean?
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And I actually think that's the number one reason people can't meditate.
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It's not about I have like ADHD or I have this or I have that.
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It's about you've just never been taught to be alone with your thoughts.
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That's crazy.
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I've never really thought about it like that.
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But that is that could be that's interesting, man, because like, yeah, maybe the people like a lot of the people that don't meditate now that I'm like just analyzing people I know, it's like,
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They're around a lot of people a lot of the time.
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So how could you possibly sit down and meditate if you're not used to just being with your own thoughts?
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Sit down and meditate when you have your own thoughts and everybody else's thoughts running through your mind all day, right?
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Absolutely.
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And the group becomes the norm and your sense of validation comes from the group as well.
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Like the sense of approval that you were talking about.
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And we're not, I don't know where I got this story from.
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Not a story, but I think it, maybe it was Jay Shetty.
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I don't know, someone going like into a monk school and the outsider asks one of the teachers, so what's the subject for the first day of class?
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And the guy says breathing because breathing is like, can be a conscious activity.
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It doesn't just need to be like the thing you do to stay, to stay alive.
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You know, it, it, it is super powerful because it's the link between spirit and body.
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So powerful, so powerful.
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And same thing with just sitting with yourself.
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Breathing is healing, bro.
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It's like when you do yoga,
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If you have the right person teaching you how to do yoga, or if you're learning these practices, like when you're stretching and you're doing yoga and you're focused on your breath, wherever you're stretching, you're supposed to be channeling that breath there and channeling that breath out, right?
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So the oxygen, the breath, the air is healing your body.
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It's cleansing your body and cleansing those muscles, cleansing those bones.
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It's crazy.
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It's super crazy.
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It is.
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I love that you mentioned that, man, because, yeah, bro.
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I love this conversation.
00:17:50
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Yeah, me too, man, always.
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Yeah, what I wanted to kind of also touch back on, I kind of my memory got jogged.
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You're speaking about...
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like what kind of prepared me for this moment.
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Right.
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Yeah.
Music Career and Personal Insights
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I wanted to mention like that personal development stuff, of course, like being in tune with that, um, kind of where I picked that up from, like,
00:18:13
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I did mention my mom, my mom was single mother, right?
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I did see my dad through all my childhood and stuff like that.
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And one thing I picked up was like, he would be listening to these, he would be listening to these, like, it might even have been Kevin Trudeau back then, but he was, he would be listening to like rich dad, poor dad, and like these self development, um, audio books in the car and stuff.
00:18:36
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Right.
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So back then I had, I,
00:18:38
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You know what I mean?
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It was, I had no idea what it was.
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I didn't even care.
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But as I got older and I started diving more into that, I was like, oh, that makes sense.
00:18:48
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Right.
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So then, yeah, I do.
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I dove in a lot of that.
00:18:52
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Also, as a, as like a,
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Young and like fresh out of high school, early university.
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This is something like, that's really not public either, bro.
00:19:03
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You keep it in if you want.
00:19:04
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But bro, I used to, I dabbled in the streets a little bit, like sold, yeah, sold a little bit, whatever.
00:19:14
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Met some bad people through that.
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Eventually just like left that life behind me.
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You know what I mean?
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Like long, long behind me.
00:19:21
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Right.
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But yeah.
00:19:22
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What I learned through that experience was a lot of business acumen, right?
00:19:29
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As far as supply and demand, customer care, I guess you could say.
00:19:36
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And risk management as well.
00:19:38
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Risk management heavy, bro.
00:19:42
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And then through that too, through that too,
00:19:48
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I actually invested into like a retail store, like with, with a couple of partners.
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So we opened up a retail clothing store branded when I was about like 22, right?
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31 now.
00:20:02
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So that was a long time ago, but yeah, we opened up the store, these partners at the time were friends, right?
00:20:11
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It didn't work out.
00:20:13
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we all know how that goes business with friends.
00:20:17
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Uh, right.
00:20:18
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So like those, those types of moments, right.
00:20:22
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Kind of prepared me for just moments like these, like, you know what I mean?
00:20:26
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Whether it's business, business experiences, art experiences, friends, experiences, all that stuff and dealing with like pressure or just like even the attention.
00:20:39
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Um, I'm used to it.
00:20:40
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Like early on in my music career,
00:20:44
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like locally in, in Canada, uh, was making music obviously when I started, but I got a lot of opportunity early on in my city.
00:20:52
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Like I was opening up for major acts that will come in or like within my first year, two years of, of deciding to rap, you know?
00:21:01
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So like,
00:21:02
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It's opening up for like Tyga, Big Sean, Juicy J, Kid Ink, etc.
00:21:07
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Yeah, bro.
00:21:08
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Like I've performed in front of thousands of people, hundreds of people multiple times.
00:21:13
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And that was crazy, bro.
00:21:15
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I was like young.
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I was young.
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I was like 19, 20.
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It's like 23.
00:21:20
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But it was a wild experience, right?
00:21:22
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And like it's something that most people don't get to go through, right?
00:21:27
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And most people aren't aware that I've even experienced that.
00:21:30
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But...
00:21:32
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those moments like the business the that the entertainment aspect and just like the adversity of just regular life all that prepared me for this and me being a student and listening more than i speak always i'm observant i'm really observant so yeah when i'm in spaces where i can learn i'm always just watching listening more than i speak oh that's so cool that is that's so cool that you went through all of that you
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and learn so much and thinking, I had this question pop up, like what would you, if you could go and talk to that 19 year old Swapsky, I don't know if that was the name, it wasn't the name that you went by back then, but if you were to go back and what would you tell yourself, like you going through all of these experiences and now knowing that it would take you like 10 years, about a decade to reach like that thriving point
00:22:28
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where, what would you tell that person?
00:22:31
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Trust yourself, bro.
00:22:32
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Distrust your, trust your own vision, trust your intuition.
00:22:37
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Um, just trust yourself.
00:22:38
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And, um,
00:22:40
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Yeah, bro.
00:22:40
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Like I've, I've always been like this guy, like as far as like giving, wanting to help the broad community, give back humble.
00:22:51
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Like, obviously I know my value, but I've been, I'm not a cocky braggadocious type of just guy in my natural demeanor.
00:22:58
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Right.
00:22:58
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I'm super laid back, chill, mellow.
00:23:00
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And like early on, like that group, that group heard mentality stuff, like it was infiltrating my spirit, infiltrating my mind.
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Like,
00:23:08
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people around me like, oh, you need to be more cocky.
00:23:11
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Oh, you need to be more of this.
00:23:12
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Oh, yeah.
00:23:13
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And then they're, they're acting like that as well.
00:23:15
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So it's like, I would just say, yeah, bro, separate yourself.
00:23:20
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from people that don't give you a good vibe that aren't for you because you can feel it.
00:23:26
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You can always feel it.
00:23:27
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You just ignore it when you're young because you want to fit in.
00:23:30
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But yeah, and then trust yourself.
00:23:31
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That's it.
00:23:32
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And trust your real self.
00:23:34
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Real self.
00:23:35
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From what I'm getting, like not your mind ego self of, oh, I know that by 25, I'm going to be like the biggest rapper on the scene.
00:23:42
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No, trust like that inner you.
00:23:44
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Trust that you will succeed by being you.
00:23:47
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And actually, if you manage to be you,
00:23:50
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and filter the noise, then you're already succeeding to a certain new
00:23:55
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to a certain degree.
00:23:56
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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And it's like, wow.
00:24:00
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Why I say that too, is like, just trust yourself.
00:24:02
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It's because like, I even listened to the music I was making, um, back then.
00:24:08
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Like I have, I'm, I was very organized over the years as far as cataloging my music and my, even my sessions, right?
00:24:15
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Like I have sessions from 2010.
00:24:17
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I'm on a hard drive right in front of me right now.
00:24:20
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Um,
00:24:20
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So I have songs from 2010 all the way till now, right?
00:24:24
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But I've categorized them in certain, like, vibes.
00:24:28
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Past week I've been listening to some tracks that were from early on, and I was, like, rapping about, like, real-life motivational stuff, man.
00:24:38
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And that's, like, who I am at my core, right?
00:24:40
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So...
00:24:42
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it's funny that like that's, and that music is timeless.
00:24:45
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Like, and my goal was always to make timeless music.
00:24:48
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So like when I'm listening to this music and my message and like, this is the raw Swapski, like in his raw craft, right?
00:24:57
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What I'm saying still, still hits me.
00:24:59
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Um, what I'm saying is saying is still relevant today.
00:25:03
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Like I was in tears, um, listening to like the 18 tracks that I've categorized for this album type, uh,
00:25:11
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project.
00:25:12
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I was in tears near like the track 16 listening to it because it's like my life from the past 10 years of my life experiences, et cetera.
00:25:21
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And my pain is all in and my good times too.
00:25:25
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Don't, don't get me wrong.
00:25:27
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But, um, in, in an, in an audio journal type.
00:25:31
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So it was, it's crazy.
00:25:33
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Do you think that will ever come out?
00:25:34
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For sure.
00:25:35
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That's awesome.
00:25:36
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It's never been released.
00:25:37
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It's never been released.
00:25:38
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All this, all this.
00:25:39
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So,
00:25:40
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So, which is crazy too, right?
00:25:42
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So a lot of my music, right?
00:25:46
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A lot of the music I released, I was releasing while I was influenced by people around me, right?
00:25:52
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So why I was saying that stuff about the early raw stuff and how it's connecting today is because the music I was releasing, I was never feeling good about in the moment of releasing it and even after because it was never me, right?
00:26:08
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It was never me.
00:26:09
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I was trying to fit in.
00:26:10
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I was trying to impress.
00:26:11
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I was trying to be this whatever, right?
00:26:13
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Right.
00:26:14
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Everything I've said in my songs is real.
00:26:18
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I never lie in my lyrics.
00:26:21
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But that's not the type of music I want to make.
00:26:25
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That's not the type of art I want to put in the world, right?
00:26:29
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So, yeah.
Crypto Passion and Future Perspectives
00:26:32
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Going back and listening to that, it was powerful, bro.
00:26:36
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Yeah, I can imagine.
00:26:38
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and it will come out eventually.
00:26:40
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It just needs to get polished, needs to make sure it sounds right for the time now.
00:26:45
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But as far as the content and the beats and stuff, everything is timeless.
00:26:51
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I love it.
00:26:52
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And that's why trusting yourself is so important is because, especially as an artist, is because you know, you already know what you want to create.
00:27:02
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You already know what
00:27:04
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what it is you want to say, right?
00:27:06
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It's just about working every day and saying it and living the experiences to say it and then trusting yourself, right?
00:27:13
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So you asked, will it ever come out or come out again?
00:27:17
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Yeah.
00:27:18
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I've never released a lot.
00:27:20
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I have over 300 songs and I've only released, like I said, 70.
00:27:23
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So there's like 200 plus songs that people haven't heard.
00:27:27
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And a lot of those are the songs that are actually me.
00:27:30
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You know what I mean?
00:27:31
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To my core.
00:27:32
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And then I have some new, a lot of new songs as well.
00:27:35
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Like 2019, I recorded probably a hundred plus songs.
00:27:40
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It's my, one of my craziest, most creative years.
00:27:44
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And I only really, I really like, I released like 20 songs.
00:27:49
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over 2019 to 2020.
00:27:53
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But I've taken all that music off.
00:27:55
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That music was still fire too, but I've taken that music off, rebranded Swapski, dropped the Ordinal Theory EP, which isn't a gimmick.
00:28:07
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I'm super passionate about crypto.
00:28:08
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And if you listen to the music, you can tell it's not like a gimmicky type.
00:28:12
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It's real music, right?
00:28:14
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And then after this EP, bro, I'm not going to be making another
00:28:20
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like crypto themed project, right?
00:28:23
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I'll obviously be talking about crypto and have crypto references in my music because my music is about my life, right?
00:28:30
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And I'm in crypto.
00:28:31
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Yeah, crypto is your life.
00:28:32
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Yeah, exactly.
00:28:33
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So there'll be lyrics in there about crypto, but I'll never drop again another Bitcoin tape or whatever.
00:28:41
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There might be songs on a tape that has reference to, but there'll never be another...
00:28:48
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Ordinal Theory EP or like Ethereum EP or NFT EP or anything like that.
00:28:55
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This was just like a hostage.
00:28:56
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It's not a meta for you.
00:28:58
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It's your thing.
00:29:02
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Right.
00:29:02
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And then like everything after this will be like my, what I, what I'm truly vibing with and what I'm true, my true heart.
00:29:09
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And that is my true art too.
00:29:10
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Don't get me wrong, but I have so much I want to do as far as art goes, like be just staying crypto is sticking myself in a box, just making crypto music.
00:29:20
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This would be insane.
00:29:22
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Absolutely.
00:29:24
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Absolutely.
00:29:24
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I actually wanted to ask you about that because we, we, there are market cycles, there are metas and,
00:29:32
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100% like with every new meta, there are some that are going to stay and there are some that are going to go.
00:29:38
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If someone comes to you and tells you like, all right, Ardenals and all of this BTC stuff is just, it's just this meta is just a fad.
00:29:47
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What do you tell them?
00:29:49
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Are they here to stay?
00:29:50
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Why?
00:29:51
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What will they look like in a few years?
00:29:53
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It's just a meta.
00:29:54
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So like in regards to like the crypto market in general,
00:29:58
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Yeah.
00:29:59
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Or is it something that people will forget about and that will just have been this period in 2023 where they were the big thing?
00:30:09
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Or will this still be a thriving ecosystem in like 50 years or 20 or 10 years?
00:30:17
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As far as thriving ecosystem goes, I can't tell you that.
00:30:21
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I can't tell the future as far as the monetary value goes of ordinals.
00:30:27
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But what I can tell you is that when humans no longer exist, every single inscription will still be on the blockchain.
00:30:34
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So that in itself is very valuable.
00:30:38
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It's like these are our modern-day version hieroglyphs.
00:30:42
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So when the next...
00:30:45
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generation finds earth, maybe aliens, maybe it's AI that inhabits the earth.
00:30:50
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They're going to find Bitcoin and they're going to find all these files inscribed on it.
00:30:55
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And yeah, that's the lot.
00:30:59
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That's like, that's Bitcoin's forever.
00:31:01
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So the files inscribed on chain are forever as well.
00:31:05
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Right.
00:31:06
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And in regards to it being like a meta, like a fad,
00:31:10
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If you think Bitcoin is a fad and won't last, then sure.
00:31:15
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But if you think Bitcoin will last and Bitcoin will, you know what I mean, continue to grow, then the ecosystem built on top of Bitcoin will continue to grow as well.
00:31:26
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And that's my take because over the past five months...
00:31:31
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the ecosystem has been built out tremendously fast, like at, at exponential rates on Bitcoin.
00:31:39
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And what people don't realize that people that are calling it a fad is that none of this was possible on the biggest blockchain in the world before December, right?
00:31:49
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Of last year.
00:31:50
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So,
00:31:52
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every other chain we had to go to every other chain to do what we're doing to do what we're doing on bitcoin now as far as nfts as far as defy so like if you look at every other chain in comparison to bitcoin right what would you rather have a knockoff chain they're not not knock off but firing shots everything
00:32:16
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Yeah, no, I'm not even, I'm not even, like, it's because a lot of these chains will, a lot of these chains will survive and be successful too, but the most successful chain will always be Bitcoin because everything is modeled after Bitcoin.
00:32:28
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Even if you're modeled after Ethereum, Ethereum was modeled after Bitcoin, probably.
00:32:33
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Vitalik was working on Bitcoin before Ethereum, wanted to bring these similar types of concepts to Bitcoin, but the people,
00:32:43
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The community back then said, nah.
00:32:45
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So he went and built Ethereum is the, just, I get the narrative I get.
00:32:50
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I don't, I can't verify that, but like, that's what I hear.
00:32:53
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You know what I mean?
00:32:54
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So just that, like the liquidity from all these other chains that a might have no product yet, or just have low, have low liquidity, have, you know what I mean?
00:33:09
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Just a terrible infrastructure.
00:33:13
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they're going to come over to Bitcoin.
00:33:14
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Like the liquidity will come over to Bitcoin.
00:33:16
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And it's like, people don't know about the Lightning Network either yet.
00:33:20
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Like people that are on these other chains, they just know Ethereum, NFTs, maybe Solana.
00:33:24
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But the Lightning Network is powerful, powerful, powerful, powerful.
00:33:28
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This is instant Bitcoin payments.
00:33:31
Speaker
Bitcoin for payments is not slow, right?
00:33:33
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Like Bitcoin has the potential to be very fast, right?
00:33:37
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And with continued scaling and continued innovation, it's like,
00:33:42
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the next four years, like the net, like the havings next year, right?
00:33:47
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Yep.
00:33:47
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By the next having, um,
00:33:49
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this entire market will look completely different.
00:33:53
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We'll look like, we'll look completely different.
00:33:55
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We won't have, be having the same conversations about NFTs, crypto D5, the top 100 will be completely different.
00:34:03
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Like there'll be maybe five to 10 coins in the top 100 that are the same.
00:34:08
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And maybe the OG ones, the OG OG ones, they'll be floating around too.
00:34:13
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But yeah,
00:34:14
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As far as like the coins and the cryptocurrencies that we're used to talking about, they will all be different over the next four years.
00:34:23
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Do you have a prediction or do you have like a gut feeling of where it's going to go and what it might look like?
00:34:29
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What might be different about it?
00:34:31
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Well, seeing as how all this is being built on Bitcoin, right?
00:34:35
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It's going to be similar.
00:34:36
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Like if you were around for 2017, you know that Bitcoin's dominance was a major thing for that bull market, right?
00:34:44
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And for that, just that cycle, right?
00:34:46
Speaker
And that's going to be another trend this cycle, right?
00:34:49
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This bull run.
00:34:50
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Bitcoin is going to dominate majorly in my mind.
00:34:53
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That's my prediction.
00:34:54
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And that's because of ordinals.
00:34:56
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That's because of sat names.
00:34:57
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That's because of BRC 20s.
00:35:00
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And that's because of now a new innovation, Bitmap, that could turn out to be one of the most innovative innovations on Bitcoin to date, which is the potential metaverse being built out in integration in Bitcoin.
00:35:16
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parallel with Bitcoin and potentially on top of Bitcoin on change.
00:35:19
Speaker
So like that concept, if you guys look into it, if you look into it, if you already know about it is, is, is so fascinating to me.
00:35:29
Speaker
Um, so with all that, that's going on, what was the question?
00:35:32
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My prediction?
00:35:34
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I think, I think it's going to suck.
00:35:35
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I think it's going to suck a lot of liquidity.
00:35:37
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It's going to be, Bitcoin's going to dominate.
00:35:39
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Um, and like what people are used to happening as far as like,
00:35:45
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where the liquidity flows into after Bitcoin comes and like starts, starts to consolidate.
00:35:50
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Isn't good.
00:35:50
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It's going to stay, all the liquidity is going to stay on Bitcoin because it doesn't need to leave to make more Bitcoin now.
00:35:56
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Right.
00:35:56
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That's what people don't understand.
00:35:58
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For the first time in history, we don't have to leave the Bitcoin blockchain to make more sats, to make more Bitcoin.
00:36:05
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So why would I come off Bitcoin to trade Ethereum, to trade on Solana, to trade on AVAX, to trade on any of these other chains?
00:36:14
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When the name of the game for anybody who, when they first found Bitcoin, first found crypto, was to buy Bitcoin and stack Bitcoin.
00:36:21
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The reason why we got away from it is because there was no innovation.
00:36:24
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It was boring.
00:36:25
Speaker
Ethereum had all the innovation, right?
00:36:28
Speaker
This past five months has been all innovation for Bitcoin, right?
00:36:31
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So that's what's going to happen in my mind.
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, that's really interesting.
00:36:37
Speaker
I don't know about bitmap yet.
00:36:38
Speaker
And I saw it on your Twitter and I haven't dove in yet.
00:36:42
Speaker
What is that?
00:36:43
Speaker
A lot of controversy, man.
00:36:44
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Bitmap, it's basically like, obviously, you know, the concept metaverse, but the protocol, it's a protocol right now.
00:36:53
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Text files, just like BRC20 started out.
00:36:56
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just like sat names started out, but there's a lot of attention.
00:36:58
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There's a lot of adoption.
00:36:59
Speaker
Is that pretty sure it's the quickest growing inscription count in the short period of time, like the biggest, the historic, right?
00:37:09
Speaker
But the concept is like, like a metaverse, right?
00:37:12
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But the concept is each block that has confirmed is a plot of, is a plot of land that you can, is a district of land that you can,
00:37:22
Speaker
reserve, right?
00:37:23
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So to reserve a district, you type in whatever the block number is, if it's block one, you put one dot bitmap.
00:37:32
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And then you inscribe that as a text.
00:37:34
Speaker
There's been innovations now past few days, where you can actually go on Ordnose wallet, and there's a map and you can select the plot on like a map, it looks it looks pretty dope.
00:37:43
Speaker
But you would inscribe that text file, and then that would reserve your block, right?
00:37:48
Speaker
Okay, so once you reserve the once you reserve the block,
00:37:52
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You can look at the block and there's a bunch of different transactions on the block.
00:37:56
Speaker
If you go to the mempool, you can see like the transactions, right?
00:37:59
Speaker
So that plays a part into the, the, the bitmap theory, right?
00:38:04
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So that determines the plots within your district and the density and all that stuff to your land.
00:38:11
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So the, the idea in itself was super fascinating to me and.
00:38:17
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you know what I mean?
00:38:17
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More land gets created over time.
00:38:19
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It was a fair launch.
00:38:20
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It was fair district.
00:38:21
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It's fair distribution.
00:38:23
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And there, it was less than $5 to inscribe one bitmap.
00:38:27
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Do you want one just to like,
00:38:30
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I want to see.
00:38:30
Speaker
Be a part of it.
00:38:31
Speaker
It might be something.
00:38:32
Speaker
It might be something.
00:38:33
Speaker
It might not.
00:38:34
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If it does, I have a piece, a district, I have a piece of land on there for under a dollar.
00:38:41
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And if it doesn't, I lost a Starbucks coffee.
00:38:43
Speaker
Who cares, right?
00:38:44
Speaker
But my view of it, right, is like, if you look at the world, and this is Bitcoin, the biggest blockchain in the world, right?
00:38:52
Speaker
mostly centralized.
00:38:54
Speaker
Look at it as the world, like, and we're trying to create a digital representation or a digital replica of the world that we can all play around in digitally, right?
00:39:02
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And do have all types of different experiences.
00:39:06
Speaker
The world has, earth has 36 billion acres, right?
00:39:11
Speaker
Of earth, of land.
00:39:12
Speaker
Okay.
00:39:15
Speaker
And the blocks right now, there's only 795,000 above, right?
00:39:21
Speaker
So roughly 10 minutes, every 10 minutes a block confirms.
00:39:28
Speaker
It's going to take 100 years for 7 million blocks to confirm.
00:39:33
Speaker
100 years, right?
00:39:35
Speaker
So if you take 36 billion acres, 36 billion, and divide that by 7 million, in 100 years,
00:39:45
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Your one bitmap parallel to earth will be worth roughly 5,000 acres.
00:39:53
Speaker
So one bitmap is worth 5,000 acres in digital land.
00:39:57
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To me, that's my perspective.
00:39:59
Speaker
And you can get that for under $5.
00:40:00
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Potentially.
00:40:03
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And it's like, it's, it's not worked out yet.
00:40:06
Speaker
There's a lot of, it's not possible, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:40:09
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But yeah,
00:40:12
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Bro, the idea is insane to me.
00:40:15
Speaker
It is.
00:40:15
Speaker
I like the idea.
00:40:17
Speaker
And for $5, I'm longing it.
00:40:20
Speaker
Like, what are you talking about?
Art Collecting and Trading Strategies
00:40:23
Speaker
Even if you're not good at managing risk and you're a degen, this is your dream.
00:40:30
Speaker
I don't get it.
00:40:31
Speaker
Why people are... Anyways, I don't even want to focus on that, but...
00:40:36
Speaker
By the way, this is not financial advice.
00:40:38
Speaker
But yeah, I get it.
00:40:39
Speaker
And what's really cool, beyond the idea, beyond the potential, beyond the, like, is this going to be a thing?
00:40:49
Speaker
Even just as an art experiment, art and communal experiment, I find this really cool because you, like Bitcoin is, it's historic at this point.
00:40:58
Speaker
It is going to be, it will be remembered for years.
00:41:03
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as long as humans exist potentially.
00:41:08
Speaker
And to have this narrative kind of flip around of like,
00:41:13
Speaker
Bitcoin maxis kind of becoming the, not the butt of the joke, but you know, it's like, all right, yeah, Bitcoin is really cool.
00:41:21
Speaker
It's a cool store of value.
00:41:22
Speaker
Ideologically, it's awesome.
00:41:24
Speaker
Philosophically, it's awesome, but you can't do anything with it.
00:41:28
Speaker
And so right now we're seeing this narrative completely flipped around and it would be such a mind fuck if the last like seven years of innovations in the blockchain space,
00:41:45
Speaker
were to disappear and everything go back to Bitcoin, that would be such a sick timeline.
00:41:54
Speaker
It makes sense for that to happen because it just makes sense, man.
00:41:58
Speaker
I don't even want to talk bad about any other chain or talk about concepts of money and debt and shit like that.
00:42:06
Speaker
But stuff like that.
00:42:07
Speaker
Sorry, I don't know if I can swear on here.
00:42:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:42:10
Speaker
Go ahead.
00:42:11
Speaker
I don't want to talk about that.
00:42:13
Speaker
But what I was going to say too is that, yeah, this is definitely... Me talking about bitmap is not financial advice whatsoever.
00:42:22
Speaker
Whatever I say...
00:42:24
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about things that I like is because I like them and I'm interested.
00:42:28
Speaker
I'm never giving people financial advice.
00:42:30
Speaker
I'm just trying to educate you and let you know, Hey, this is something cool that's going on.
00:42:35
Speaker
If you like it, cool.
00:42:36
Speaker
If you don't, that's cool too.
00:42:37
Speaker
Right.
00:42:38
Speaker
Um, but yeah, like I said, buying one bitmap under $5.
00:42:44
Speaker
So it's like, even if I am saying this is financial advice and this isn't by any means financial advice,
00:42:52
Speaker
Bro, we've all spent five, we've lost five dollars.
00:42:56
Speaker
You probably lose more than that in the course of the year and change, right?
00:42:58
Speaker
So it's like... Just buy a bitmap.
00:43:02
Speaker
Yeah, don't buy a bitmap.
00:43:04
Speaker
Don't buy it.
00:43:06
Speaker
But like, just broaden your perspective on things sometimes.
00:43:12
Speaker
What would you recommend someone just getting into the ordinal?
00:43:16
Speaker
Like, is this whole space called ordinals or is that just like a subcategory?
00:43:20
Speaker
So, right.
00:43:21
Speaker
It's ordinal.
00:43:22
Speaker
So, ordinal theory is the proto.
00:43:25
Speaker
It's like ordinal theory, right?
00:43:27
Speaker
So, Casey developed the protocol under ordinal theory.
00:43:32
Speaker
Ord.
00:43:34
Speaker
So, everything that's happening, like a BRC20s are operating within ordinal theory.
00:43:39
Speaker
Bitmap operating within ordinal theory.
00:43:42
Speaker
All this art is being inscribed on Bitcoin through the Ordinal Theory Protocol, right?
00:43:50
Speaker
So yeah, that's what it is, right?
00:43:53
Speaker
But they're not... Like over time, we'll just be calling it art.
00:43:56
Speaker
Like, here, listen to my music.
00:43:59
Speaker
We'll be saying, yo, would you get my Ordinal NFT music song?
00:44:02
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:02
Speaker
You'll just be saying, yo, would you get my EP?
00:44:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:05
Speaker
go get my EP.
00:44:06
Speaker
You get the, you get, um, you know what I mean?
00:44:09
Speaker
Did you get Swapski's new art piece?
00:44:11
Speaker
It's not going to be like, Oh, did you get the ordinal inscription?
00:44:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
It's not, did you get the MP3 or did you get the JPEG or yeah, exactly.
00:44:23
Speaker
But that takes, that's going to take time.
00:44:24
Speaker
It's going to be, did you get the ordinal inscription for years to come?
00:44:28
Speaker
But like 10 years, we're going to be just calling it what it is.
00:44:32
Speaker
What would you recommend someone just getting into that space to do, to check out first, to kind of improve their success and not even necessarily benefiting financially, even though that's a component, but just like having fun with it, understanding it and maybe finding where they belong within it?
00:44:55
Speaker
Do your research for sure.
00:44:56
Speaker
Read the Ordinal Theory Handbook.
00:44:59
Speaker
And if you want to dive into BRC20s, read the BRC20 docs.
00:45:04
Speaker
Read the SAT names docs.
00:45:06
Speaker
Read the Bitmap Theory docs.
00:45:08
Speaker
That's where you need to start before you invest or want to learn more about any of this.
00:45:15
Speaker
Read the Bitcoin white paper as well.
00:45:17
Speaker
That will be great starts conceptually and just like
00:45:22
Speaker
educationally knowledge wise and then from there um find the right sources of information right right sources of information for me have been like pause not going to make it his youtube channel he does lots of tutorials and like good information he's not showing anything like that um cb spears as well charlie spears he's another source of information that i've liked um
00:45:46
Speaker
I'm biased on his, on his YouTube channel.
00:45:48
Speaker
Right.
00:45:48
Speaker
And he goes over technical stuff, how to, et cetera.
00:45:51
Speaker
Awesome.
00:45:52
Speaker
Those two helped me, those two helped me learn how to get into ordnance basically via the YouTube channels.
00:45:58
Speaker
And then from there, it's just, um, yeah.
00:46:01
Speaker
If you want to collect art, realize like if you, if you, if you want to, if you're getting in for the art, collect art that you like, that's what you, that's what you're doing.
00:46:11
Speaker
Right.
00:46:11
Speaker
And if he makes money cool, if it doesn't,
00:46:14
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:46:15
Speaker
But if you're not an artist, if you don't like to collect art, then don't get into ordinals, right?
00:46:22
Speaker
If you want to get, I mean like NFTs, if you want to make money, like
00:46:27
Speaker
Like it's weird, right?
00:46:29
Speaker
Because like you can make money flipping ordinals and NFTs, but I like to do it because I like art and I like supporting artists, right?
00:46:38
Speaker
So like I'm having fun and I'm enjoying the things I'm putting in my long-term wallet because I love it, right?
00:46:47
Speaker
So I make money as a byproduct, right?
00:46:51
Speaker
But where my bread and butter is, is trading the altcoins,
00:46:56
Speaker
in the market.
00:46:57
Speaker
Like, so like, that's where I would, if you want to make money, that's where I would do research.
00:47:04
Speaker
Um, like if that's your only intention is to make money, that's where I would, that's where I would focus on is just learning how to trade Bitcoin and learning how to trade, uh, maybe this new BRC twenties also not financial advice.
00:47:18
Speaker
And then for ordinals, uh,
00:47:22
Speaker
Yeah, bro.
00:47:23
Speaker
Same thing.
00:47:23
Speaker
You can do the same thing.
00:47:24
Speaker
You can flip them and stuff like that.
00:47:26
Speaker
But you got to find the right source of information.
00:47:29
Speaker
Also, to be good at flipping, you have to have an eye for art, low key or just knowledge of markets and trading.
00:47:34
Speaker
You can learn that over time.
00:47:36
Speaker
But again, I don't suggest you trying to make money off of trading NFTs unless you're experienced.
Future Goals and Vision for Sovereign Trail
00:47:43
Speaker
What I suggest you doing with NFTs, ordinals, art is collect what you love.
00:47:47
Speaker
And if you collect something that you love and it pops off,
00:47:52
Speaker
It's a win-win.
00:47:53
Speaker
Absolutely.
00:47:54
Speaker
That's what happened.
00:47:55
Speaker
That's what happened with me on ETH.
00:47:56
Speaker
I wasn't collecting because I thought it was going to be the next CryptoPunk or I thought it was going to be the next $100,000 investment.
00:48:04
Speaker
I was collecting because, oh, these are dope.
00:48:07
Speaker
Obviously, I was speculating a little bit, but for the most part, I was like, I like this art.
00:48:13
Speaker
Who's the artist?
00:48:15
Speaker
I like that story.
00:48:16
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:48:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:17
Speaker
I almost brought my water bottle.
00:48:19
Speaker
So got too excited for a second.
00:48:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:23
Speaker
So that's what, that would be my advice for people just getting in.
00:48:26
Speaker
It's like, make sure you find a good source of information.
00:48:29
Speaker
That's a very good piece of advice.
00:48:30
Speaker
There's, I think there's this thing of, because the money-making part is such a big component of the narrative.
00:48:37
Speaker
And especially right now, like the gap is really, is really wide.
00:48:42
Speaker
You have the diehards on one end and you have the people who are strictly here for the money and who are digging to like for, for breadcrumbs, breadcrumbs at this point.
00:48:52
Speaker
But yeah, it's a, it's a very good,
00:48:55
Speaker
It's a very good and timeless piece of advice because making money, whatever the market, is always going to be a skill that you need to hone.
00:49:06
Speaker
There are very, very, very few people who will just naturally get into a market and make a lot of money.
00:49:13
Speaker
You're going to make mistakes.
00:49:14
Speaker
You need to have bankroll management foundations of knowledge, and you need to understand how attention flows and everything.
00:49:22
Speaker
I've been trading for...
00:49:24
Speaker
I bought my first stock with Sony in 2011 or 2012, I think.
00:49:29
Speaker
And since then, I've done Forex and online poker and then crypto for the past six years.
00:49:36
Speaker
I was a big poker head, bro.
00:49:38
Speaker
It helps.
00:49:39
Speaker
It helps.
00:49:40
Speaker
It helps a lot.
00:49:41
Speaker
But all of that to say, I still don't make money.
00:49:43
Speaker
It's still not my thing.
00:49:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's not my thing because I try to use it to make... Because I...
00:49:53
Speaker
One, I'm not... Like day trading, you mean?
00:49:56
Speaker
Yeah, day trading or like trading on the four-hour to one-day chart.
00:50:01
Speaker
No, I have.
00:50:02
Speaker
I've made some great trades.
00:50:04
Speaker
When I say trading and making money, right?
00:50:06
Speaker
I mean like I buy something today and I'll sell it in three months.
00:50:10
Speaker
And if it goes crazy between then, I'll obviously take profit.
00:50:13
Speaker
But I'll sell it in three months to six months to a year to two years, right?
00:50:17
Speaker
Like that's trading.
00:50:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:19
Speaker
I don't know where the cutoff line is.
00:50:22
Speaker
Like time-wise?
00:50:23
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:24
Speaker
Like when is it trading?
00:50:25
Speaker
When is it investing?
00:50:26
Speaker
Because obviously there are some biases in there.
00:50:28
Speaker
Because yeah, for me, trading is like daily or weekly.
00:50:34
Speaker
Well, see, there's different terminology, right?
00:50:38
Speaker
Yeah, for sure.
00:50:40
Speaker
there's swing trading is what I do.
00:50:42
Speaker
Right.
00:50:43
Speaker
So I, I'll, I'll be trading the swing, the trend, you know, so I'm buying it during the bear market and I'm going to sell it during the bull market at a point where I'm satisfied or I'm going to buy it at a low swing and sell it at the swing high.
00:50:57
Speaker
You know what I mean?
00:50:58
Speaker
Buy it at the swing low, sell it at the, sell it at the swing high.
00:51:01
Speaker
So, uh, day trading, I've always, I've obviously seen some success here and there, but swing trading is, uh,
00:51:08
Speaker
is the bread and butter in crypto bro because you can't you can never you never know how much a coin is going to go off right so what you want to do is find your your what you're going to invest in and swing trade invest in them once it goes off take some initial out take some profit out yeah that's it bro because if you're actively trading you're taking losses right
00:51:33
Speaker
But in crypto, if you're just patient, it'll always win, right?
00:51:37
Speaker
So if you just wait, take some profit out, take your initial out, that might go 1,000, 10,000x, right?
00:51:45
Speaker
So those trades like that, something that goes 20x on like...
00:51:53
Speaker
$1,000, $10,000 is something that can sustain you for years, bro.
00:51:59
Speaker
And you can just keep repeating that process every cycle.
00:52:03
Speaker
But it's about learning that patience and learning what's good to invest in discipline.
00:52:09
Speaker
What's going to work?
00:52:10
Speaker
Having the conviction and the confidence that, yes, this is going to work out, this is going to do well because the business is a great model, they make money, and the partners and advisors are great, right?
00:52:22
Speaker
But I've mastered honing in on that the past five years.
00:52:28
Speaker
Good for you, man.
00:52:28
Speaker
It's a good skill to have in the bag.
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:33
Speaker
I'll just cap this off with saying that I've realized I don't like investing and I don't like trading, whether it is day trading or swing trading.
00:52:43
Speaker
Sometimes I'll see a trade, like I'll fill it in my gut.
00:52:46
Speaker
I look at the chart.
00:52:47
Speaker
I usually only trade ETH.
00:52:49
Speaker
I look at the chart and I see that it's going to do like a move up or a move down.
00:52:56
Speaker
And I win that trade.
00:52:57
Speaker
And then usually after that,
00:53:01
Speaker
I get, I think I I've got it this time.
00:53:04
Speaker
And so I keep doing it.
00:53:05
Speaker
And now I've, yeah, now I've accepted it.
00:53:07
Speaker
I'm a builder.
00:53:08
Speaker
I'm, I'm here to like build businesses and to, and to do this podcast and to do other things.
00:53:13
Speaker
And I'll leave trading out for, for other people.
00:53:17
Speaker
Do you save, do you, you obviously save money?
00:53:20
Speaker
That is something that I've, that I've had to learn the hard way.
00:53:25
Speaker
You have a savings, you have a savings account.
00:53:27
Speaker
You're not on zero.
00:53:28
Speaker
In crypto.
00:53:29
Speaker
Right.
00:53:30
Speaker
No, no, no.
00:53:33
Speaker
All of my liquidity net worth is in crypto, most of it.
00:53:38
Speaker
Oh, sick.
00:53:40
Speaker
Fire.
00:53:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:53:40
Speaker
Never mind then.
00:53:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah, never mind then.
00:53:44
Speaker
I was going to say, bro, if you have a savings account, you're investing in...
00:53:49
Speaker
the US dollar every day.
00:53:51
Speaker
Yeah, of course.
00:53:54
Speaker
You might as well invest in a coin that obviously has high liquidity, whatever, whatever, even if it's just Bitcoin, even if it's just Ethereum, and then just trade out of that as it profits instead of having your... You're already bankless, so you're blessed.
00:54:12
Speaker
getting there some somehow and before we before we close this off because it's already been like an amazing conversation um what are the next steps for you are you riding that wave right now are you do you have plans on a longer time frame for the next like six months or a year how do you see those those next few this next little while playing out
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah, my next year is basically planned out.
00:54:37
Speaker
Consistently plotting, scheming, networking, reaching out to artists, figuring out new ways to create and bring value to the space.
00:54:48
Speaker
So, yeah, man, I have a lot going on.
00:54:51
Speaker
And with these, the more innovation that comes out, the more it makes possible, right?
00:54:58
Speaker
But right now, what's lined up and what's public is
00:55:02
Speaker
After chapter three, Ordinal Pixels is complete and the public sale is over, I will be inscribing the Ordinal Theory EP, right?
00:55:14
Speaker
Each track.
00:55:15
Speaker
And then I'll be doing something cool and innovative to distribute.
00:55:20
Speaker
That's awesome.
00:55:22
Speaker
the EP to multiple people, a limited supply, but you'll be able to buy the EP as an ordinal and listen to the EP from the content link in your wallet, right?
00:55:35
Speaker
So that's the next kind of official release I'm doing.
00:55:42
Speaker
And within that release, right, you'll be able to buy with BTC, right?
00:55:49
Speaker
If you're aware, I don't know if you're aware, but I have my own BRC20 token swap.
00:55:53
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know that.
00:55:55
Speaker
It minted out last week, right?
00:55:59
Speaker
But I'll tell you the whole premise of that too.
00:56:01
Speaker
So basically, I'm going to be accepting swap for my music and my one of ones.
00:56:08
Speaker
Ordinal Pixels is my last generative, my first and my last generative art collection.
00:56:12
Speaker
I won't have another generative art collection on any chain.
00:56:17
Speaker
So it'll just be one of ones in music from there.
00:56:19
Speaker
And I'll be accepting swap token or BTC for my music and my future art.
00:56:28
Speaker
All swap spent on mints gets burnt.
00:56:31
Speaker
All swap spent on my mints officially held by me gets burnt.
00:56:36
Speaker
I'll also be onboarding and curating artists through swap that will be accepting BTC or swap.
00:56:43
Speaker
I'll also be, um, doing it, doing exclusive swap mints, right.
00:56:49
Speaker
So where you can only mint with swap, um, very thoughtful, curated artists and collections, um, from all, all different disciplines of artists, whether that be music, photography, digital art, physical art, et cetera.
00:57:05
Speaker
Um,
00:57:06
Speaker
That is kind of like the premise of the BRC20 token.
00:57:12
Speaker
I want to make it the art token on Bitcoin, right?
00:57:14
Speaker
So you can use swap to buy dope art consistently throughout the year, right?
00:57:20
Speaker
So I'm working with, I have at least six artists on the go right now.
00:57:25
Speaker
Some have collections complete and just waiting for their time.
00:57:29
Speaker
And some are working on their collections as we speak.
00:57:35
Speaker
As things roll out, I do the first swap mint with my Ordinal Theory EP.
00:57:41
Speaker
I'll be releasing a form for artists to submit.
00:57:44
Speaker
And if they pass the curation phase, then they can be onboarded through my system, through my network.
00:57:51
Speaker
I already have a partner to facilitate accepting swap as well.
00:57:56
Speaker
That will be rolling out later on.
00:57:59
Speaker
can't make any really announcements or touch on that any further but yeah like that's what i have planned out for my art that's what i've planned out for swap or no pixels art collection no roadmap no utility just art when i when that's finished that's finished then it's music one of ones i'll always provide value to my community though like i have been whether that's through education whether that's through education content art
00:58:23
Speaker
What's coming next to basically, since I'm building this big, this like empire, so to say, is Sovereign Trail, right?
00:58:31
Speaker
So that's my corporation registered federally.
00:58:35
Speaker
Sovereign Trail is basically the business, my business, my company, my brand, which stands for equal freedom of expression, equal freedom of speech and equal freedom on earth.
00:58:49
Speaker
Right.
00:58:49
Speaker
And our whole our whole goal is to create sovereign individuals on chain.
00:58:55
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On chain.
00:58:56
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Right.
00:58:56
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So we're going to be working with artists through swap.
00:58:59
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Right.
00:59:01
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Swapski and Sovereign Trail takes zero percent.
00:59:03
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Right.
00:59:04
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Our whole goal is to create sovereign individuals and make sure that you're self-sufficient on the Bitcoin network as an artist.
00:59:11
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And all we ask for is collaboration and for you to accept the swap token.
00:59:16
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I love this.
00:59:16
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Yeah, man.
00:59:17
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And then underneath Sovereign Trail, right?
00:59:22
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There's education, there's art, there's capital, and there's philanthropy, right?
00:59:26
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So the education piece, I have a partner I'm working on a course with.
00:59:31
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It's about 80% done right now.
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that we'll be releasing over the summer as well, covering blockchain, Bitcoin, Ethereum, NFTs, DeFi, Ordinals, BRC20s, Metaverse, right?
00:59:43
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And just giving people an intro.
00:59:44
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It's going to be a free course as well.
00:59:45
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Just giving people an intro to the information in a digestible, distilled way, but a comprehensive way as well.
00:59:53
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There'll be a downloadable course for that, as well as like a one-page kind of like
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PDF that you can kind of try to cram all that information in and digest it as well.
01:00:05
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Um, and then from there, like that's the sovereign trail university, right?
01:00:10
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So sovereign trail university is also going to run a newsletter, weekly and monthly newsletter, a free, a free and paid monthly newsletter.
01:00:17
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So there'll be a free monthly newsletter and a free weekly newsletter.
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And there'll be a paid, uh, more guided, um, newsletters as well, weekly and monthly.
01:00:28
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Um,
01:00:30
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Super, super affordable.
01:00:31
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Nothing, nothing crazy.
01:00:32
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Nothing like, yeah, super affordable.
01:00:35
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Just trying to, you know what I mean?
01:00:36
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Keep the lights on type thing and get paid for our value.
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And then from there we get Sovereign Trail Studios, which is art, which is, you got Swapski, you got Ordinal Pixels, you got my music, you got the one-on-ones, you got other artists that we collaborate with.
01:00:51
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And then we got Ocean Playground, which is, um,
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The concept is where I was born, Halifax, Nova Scotia.
01:00:58
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It's Canada's ocean playground.
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It's on our license plates.
01:01:01
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Right.
01:01:02
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And basically that's going to be the media hub of, of everything.
01:01:05
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So, uh, we're going to be covering, it's going to have OP radio, OP media, OP blog, going to be covering art and music.
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basically innovative and contemporary art in the space, NFTs, ordinals, photography, digital art, physical art, music, et cetera, poetry, all that.
01:01:21
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I'm going to have a blog where you can scroll, see music, see new music, see new art, playlists.
01:01:26
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You know what I mean?
01:01:27
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They're going to be like eight playlists, different genres, I'm a piano house, soul, et cetera.
01:01:32
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Have that separate, like all this stuff I'm talking about has, yeah.
01:01:35
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Like it's, it's in motion right now.
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And there's separate parts.
01:01:38
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There's, there's people, there's people in place working on each one.
01:01:41
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Right.
01:01:43
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With it, with me.
01:01:44
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So every day I'm, I'm, I'm talking and I'm like, I'm building a team.
01:01:49
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Right.
01:01:49
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So every day I'm building, communicating, setting shit up, branding, like managing this.
01:01:56
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Right.
01:01:56
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While I'm doing my art, while I'm doing all my graphic design, all my video work, all my promotion, right.
01:02:02
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Everything.
01:02:02
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Damn.
01:02:03
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I wanted the next six months and you gave me the next 10 years.
01:02:05
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Yeah.
01:02:06
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That's kind of what, that's kind of what I'm working on as far as, as far as like sovereign trail.
01:02:11
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So you'll have that.
01:02:13
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So ocean playground will have the playlist.
01:02:16
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We'll also have, I won't even go into deep because like, honestly, bro, I'm giving people, I'm giving, I'm giving people the whole business model at this point.
01:02:26
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Yeah, but you're the one to do it.
01:02:27
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You're the perfect person to do it.
01:02:31
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And anyone taking this would not even know where to start, wouldn't have the right connection, wouldn't have the right skill or life knowledge that you do and that you've built over the past 10 years.
01:02:40
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So they can take it and they can do a pitch deck, but there's not much more that they can do.
01:02:45
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They might as well reach out to you and figure out how to help you do that and probably have a good spot.
01:02:53
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That's one of my big things of this ecosystem that I've told you about that we're building.
01:02:58
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One of the things that I really want to pass on to people is it's oftentimes a lot better
01:03:07
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to contribute to someone else's idea when they feel very strongly about it, when they have a clear vision about it, when they have the right skills to carry it, than to try to do it yourself.
01:03:17
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Cause like 99% of the time you're setting up, you're setting yourself up for failure.
01:03:23
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For sure.
01:03:23
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For sure.
01:03:24
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And like two things, two things come across my mind when, when you say that is like, obviously 99% of businesses fail and,
01:03:33
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and this is not me just pumping myself up or anything because I failed a lot in business.
01:03:37
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Right.
01:03:38
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But 99% of businesses fail.
01:03:40
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And like, I would rather own a small percentage of something than a large percentage of nothing or all the percentage of nothing, you know?
01:03:49
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So,
01:03:50
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Me too.
01:03:51
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That's why we chose decentralization.
01:03:52
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That's why we're here because we'd rather be part of a bigger network that's anti-fragile than having a much bigger part of something that's smaller but it's also a lot more fragile.
01:04:03
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Also too, like...
01:04:05
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Touching on what you said before, like, bro, I have the total belief that what's meant for me, what's meant for you, what's meant for everybody is meant for them, right?
01:04:13
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You just have to step into it, right?
01:04:15
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So in no way am I scared of missing my opportunity or somebody stealing my opportunity.
01:04:20
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But I just don't want to say too much too soon.
01:04:25
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And then I also don't want, like, some ideas I do have will change the industry.
01:04:32
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right?
01:04:33
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And I have full belief in this.
01:04:35
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We'll change the entertainment industry.
01:04:37
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And why I don't want to leave the alpha is because they could easily just, if I hear my idea, they could easily talk to somebody that can help them do this first.
01:04:49
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Or not even, not even both do it first, but like, because I'm not worried about who does it first, but I'm worried about who does it with love, care, and intention because it's super easy to take ideas and corrupt them, right?
01:05:02
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But
01:05:02
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I don't want to even get deep, man.
01:05:04
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That's enough.
01:05:05
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I like it.
01:05:06
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Yeah.
01:05:07
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I like it.
01:05:08
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Who should reach out to you right now?
01:05:09
Speaker
Who do you want to connect with?
01:05:11
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Who should connect with you?
01:05:13
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Tee Grizzly.
01:05:14
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Okay.
01:05:15
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Okay.
01:05:16
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That's the only, that's the only person I, I want to speak to is Tee Grizzly.
01:05:21
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Well, we will.
01:05:23
Speaker
Do you know who that is?
01:05:24
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No, no, not at all.
01:05:25
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He's a Detroit rapper.
01:05:27
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Um, he plays, um,
01:05:29
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He plays GTA, GTA online, streams it.
01:05:33
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Super popular, but yeah, that's what I want to connect with.
01:05:36
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I just have a lot of ideas on how we can get into NFTs, this digital world, and really change the game.
01:05:44
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And he's young too, right?
01:05:46
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Has a smart mind, streams.
01:05:49
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I love his music too.
01:05:50
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But yeah, that's the only person I've probably... Let's hope he hears it.
01:05:54
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That's all.
01:05:55
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And man, where, where should people find you, follow you, reach out to you?
01:06:01
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Yeah.
01:06:01
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You, you can get me on, on Twitter at Swapski on open C, open C on magic Eden or no pixels.
01:06:12
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I'm also on Instagram at Swapski underscore.
01:06:16
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Cool.
01:06:16
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That's all.
01:06:17
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TikTok.
01:06:17
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We'll link all of this anyway.
01:06:19
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YouTube.
01:06:20
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Yeah.
01:06:20
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YouTube Swapski, TikTok Swapski.
01:06:22
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I'm all around it.
01:06:23
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And it's all in the link tree.
01:06:25
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Main place you want to go is my Twitter.
01:06:27
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That's where I'm active every day the most.
01:06:29
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Awesome.
01:06:30
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Well, Swabski, thanks a lot, man.
01:06:33
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Thanks, man.
01:06:33
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Thanks for you.
01:06:34
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That was awesome.
01:06:34
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Thanks for having me, bro.
01:06:36
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This is one of the best conversations I've had in a while, man.
01:06:41
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And definitely one of the best interviews slash podcasts I've been on as far as the conversation, the thought.
01:06:50
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And yeah, I just really enjoyed myself.
01:06:52
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I really appreciate that.
01:06:54
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your company, man.
01:06:55
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I look forward to continuing to stay in contact, brother.
01:07:00
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Yeah, that means a lot.
01:07:01
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Right back at you.