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Comment cet artiste NFT a vendu son art à Snoop Dogg, Ja Rule & Gary Vee ? Avec 8th Project
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8th project devient peu à peu une figure emblématique de l'écosystème NFT artistique Français. Il s'est illustré en devenant l'artiste de la collection The Cryptomasks et continue d'approfondir son impact semaine après semaine et mois après mois.
Découvre comment il a fait sa place et comment il en est arrivé là où il en est aujourd'hui.
Dans cet épisode, on parle de son parcours, de ses apprentissages, des difficultés qu'il a eues et de comment il les a surmonté.
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Introduction of the Autodidact Artist
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Hello everyone and welcome to the Polymath Experience or the experience Polymath.
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Today we have someone that I had a lot of time to see.
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We tried to know for weeks and weeks.
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We finally arrived.
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He is an autodidact artist who is probably one of the most recognized artists of our ecosystem.
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Normalement, quand tu es artiste dans notre écosystème, être l'artiste d'une collection phare NFT, c'est ta plus grosse réussite.
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Pour lui, c'est juste la première ligne du CV.
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Il est collectionné par des gens comme Snoop Dogg, Jahoul, Farah, Gary Vee, des petits gars comme ça.
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Il a un art qui résonne avec tous les 90s kids, les enfants des années 90s, et nous ramène tout droit dans nos années d'enfance ou d'adolescence.
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If you've already seen him pass, you'll recognize him instantaneously.
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He's a great energy and contagious, as well as the conditions of the market, what we appreciate particularly in this moment.
Journey into NFTs
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And in addition to that, he has a story particularly inspiring, because he's in full time, then the NFT just after a big journey in his life.
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It's a pleasure, an honor to receive Mr. 8 Project.
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Pleasure to share.
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Thank you for this little intro very flat.
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We can exactly tell you all about me.
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There are plenty of things to say.
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There is also who I am, which is interesting to know.
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But it's true that I have a journey, I'm going to be aware of it now, but I have a journey that is pretty crazy.
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Even if you have always this little syndrome of an imposter that arrives and you say, no, no, you don't deserve it.
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We'll come back to it, I think.
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But yeah, I'm going to be aware of it.
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I'm going to be aware of it that the story is pretty cool.
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In all of a sudden, the beginning is pretty cool.
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I hope it will go even more.
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But very happy that we are here with you.
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It's true that it's been a year and a half I think we've tried to get it.
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And then we're very proud of what you want.
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Yeah, it's clear.
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It's clear.
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And mine of nothing, it's a buy that we follow or that at least I'm a holder of CryptoMask since... It was when?
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September, October 2021?
CryptoMask and the French Crypto Scene
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Yeah, it's almost two years.
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It's been a long time.
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I don't even know the date of the announcement, I feel like it's a project that's been encased in the cryptosphere.
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So it's one of the first French projects for me, which has really exploded.
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I'm very proud of being an artist and to know all this family.
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Francophone for the most, there are more international but many francophones.
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And then you also?
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Is it like that you have known me?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Yes, yes.
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Yes, yes.
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I am.
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I am.
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I am.
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I am.
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And just I think that's a point where we will go back to your story, how you are going to go back to your life now.
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It is super interesting.
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But I think that's a good point of start also.
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This meeting with Cryptomath, how did you get it?
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How did you get it?
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How did you get it?
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It was pretty fluid.
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I'll tell you that in a few words.
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In fact, I contacted him to make his new PFP.
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At the time, it was always the Geo Portrait, which is a bit of my brand of fabric.
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You know, portraits on the front of the black, a bit of structure.
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And I think he's well approached.
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So we talked about, I think it was on Telegram.
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I didn't know Telegram.
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I think it was my first contact Telegram.
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I think now I'm going to have three or four.
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And so he's contacted me.
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We worked together on the PFP.
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He's been a ported for a few days.
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And then I think he's been, he's been a want to recompense his community with a project.
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I think that because it was just after the PFP, he's been a thought for me because I started to have my little notoriety in the NFT.
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Francophone also.
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So he's got a big community francophone.
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And it's here that came the project.
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Very naturally, we proposed ideas, but very fluidly.
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And masks are coming, on the kind of anonyme, you know, the mask, it's really the crypto NFT.
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And then I think in a few months I got out of the collection, I don't know how long I put it for it, but maybe 3 or 4 months.
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And then it was very fluid, there was a community who came from a francophone, it was pretty crazy.
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In all of a sudden, the francophone community was very souded, and since the beginning, even
Community Engagement and Project Success
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today.
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So that I really appreciated it.
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And then after, we continued to do projects, I know, we talk every day, but I know that he has some excellent projects for the next.
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You've got it in podcast.
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I was in call with him, literally, it was one hour.
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It's beautiful to see people who are animated by a project and by all that.
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So it's not like many projects we've seen in 2021, I'm going to release the collection, and ciao, I don't exist anymore.
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Even the most big ones who have done exceptional volumes, like the Cool Cats, we don't even know.
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And we, the little Francophone, we're there, we're trying to cut everything out.
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but more silent.
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In fact, it's a lot of noise.
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So, it's a very good adventure.
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And then we've done CryptoMask, we've done ZodiacMask, it's not very long.
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There are plenty of things that will happen for the future.
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Very cool.
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But we don't have to talk about it.
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I think you know, I know, but everyone doesn't know.
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Yeah, we don't know.
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We don't know.
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Yeah, but I'm looking forward to seeing all of that.
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And what I love most, but it's lié to what you said,
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He has so much value in the ecosystem where he is.
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He is so right in his basket.
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He would have the opportunity to put so much in the pocket.
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It's one of the projects that he has the best success.
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A PFP project in any case, which has the best success of the French ecosystem.
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Matt, he has nothing to gain.
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And during the beer market, we managed to march.
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in starting at the beginning of the market, there we are always there, and the floor doesn't move too much, it's a project that's always there, people are not part of it, because most of the big projects like that, you say okay, we'll come back to the next bull market, and for the moment it's not very interesting, and there everyone is there, everyone posts, everyone participates, so imagine, imagine the bull market where everyone is present with a floor price, I think it's in the 0.3, 0.35, imagine a bull market, it's pretty funny,
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So I'm very proud of it.
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I told him not very long.
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I didn't want to do it at the beginning, but I had so many projects before him who were not so crazy like that.
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You're like, yeah, you're doing this and all that.
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And then there were some people who were there for money.
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So it's hard to analyze who you work.
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Matt, I didn't know for very long.
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So I said okay, I'll do it.
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I did it, but I didn't know where it all went.
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I said, well, it's him who is the project.
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And then at the end, it was a bit crazy.
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At the end, I saw that it was a real guy who was there really for his community and that I also wanted to do it, the more it started to be crescendo.
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And I said okay, I have confidence totally.
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So there, there's a lot of confidence in this project to be.
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For the artists who are listening to us, because the bull market will come back at a moment or another, the opportunities to come back at all.
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How do you do to ensure you don't get on the wrong people and how do you choose the opportunities that will present you?
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It's hard because I often ask this question.
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And it's hard to answer.
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I often say that the community is the most important.
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It's really a lot of time.
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I think that if you're someone who has a job 10 hours per day, other than NFT and crypto, and you want to make a little of a drawing and put it in NFT, it's possible, but it will take a few hours.
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In any case, in the evening, you will have to be on the internet very often, etc.
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Because creating a community, it's talking to everyone.
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And showing people that you're a fiable person, that you're there for a long time, that you're not just for money.
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So it's already important to be there, to be on Twitter, on X now, on Discord, on all the other projects.
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Then it's improving all the time artistically.
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So you can't say, I propose this and then we'll see it.
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It's important to be there, according to me in any case.
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For three years now, I've done
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almost every day and that's how I'm going to improve and learn because I think you learn all your life in being an artist at the beginning or when you're 50 years old you learn to learn more and always offer new things to people I like to be transparent I'm not really transparent on who I am even if I say the artist even if I say more in more but in all cases I post photos of what I do daily daily for me to show that I'm not a scam
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Because I saw a lot of people who are there saying that I'm doing art and all that.
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In fact, it's not their own.
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Theirs are not their own.
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It's not their own person.
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It's people who exist at a point.
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It exists more than what you believe.
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To be authentic, to be honest in your community, it's very important.
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Then, for the next bull market, it's going to be an accrocer.
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I was just going to be on the old bull market.
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It caused a lot of problems on my health.
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It's so funny to say, but I was telling myself that it works, it's so funny.
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This energy, I have to create, I have to create.
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Because every time I created, it was going to sell.
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So I wanted to say that it's not that I lost this energy.
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And it's very bad, in fact.
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It's very bad because you're overbooked.
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You're all the time creating, drawing, on the réseau.
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I don't know how many hours I was doing, but it was 16 hours per day on the réseau.
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And I was very stressed at this time, in 2021.
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It made me create a heart problem, I was going to see the cardiologist and all that.
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It was not crazy.
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Because the market was just saying, okay, it's necessary to calm you.
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In fact, you're there, you're not going to move.
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People are there for you, they will believe in you
Balancing Art and Life
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until the end.
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It's not because you don't post a day or not create a new one day that people will disappear.
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So it's necessary to learn.
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There's another thing I can give you as advice, it's not to compare it to others.
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Because if it happens that you're new, you'll have people who will make a 50 Ethereum.
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And you'll say, but no, I don't want to, what's this?
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And in fact it's normal, you need to learn to know, to make big ventes, it doesn't mean you're an artist who réussis, you can make big ventes, you can make big ventes, and it's very good also.
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And even if you don't sell it, I mean, you need to find the good collection at the moment, you have sometimes, you have to find out for six months in a collection, it's not bad, you will sell it to the person who will resonate with it six months later.
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There are plenty of tips.
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I don't know if I'm going to say all of them because it's complicated to know.
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No, but you're not.
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It's not what I'm going to say.
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It's not the goal.
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Really, community, perseverance and resilience.
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To take a look at things and say, well, it's not bad.
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There are things more important.
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I have to focus on my art, of course, but also on my life of every day.
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Not to say that in the NFT, it's real life.
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It's also his work and you need to have his life connected to your family, to your wife, to your wife, to your wife, to who you want.
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To the earth.
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To the earth, exactly.
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You're alone.
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You're alone.
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Like a lot of things in general, you do often things and then you're aware that you're too late.
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Yeah, it's clear.
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The FOMO is really there.
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When you go to the arena and you start to participate in a way active and you're not just an investor passive who says one moon, one Lambo, it's really intense.
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Revenons-en un petit peu à la base.
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Pour toi, ça a été quoi?
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Parce que pour en venir à un changement de carrière de l'ampleur de la tienne, et tu nous raconteras un petit peu, c'est un enchaînement de plein de choses.
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C'est des...
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It's a little bit of decisions that accumulate until the moment where you can click on the click and you can do it.
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Can you describe how it happened?
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How did you evolve towards this decision?
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What was the key to the final decision?
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It's a very good question.
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I'm not sure of the school of art.
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The only thing I had in background artistically was just... I was just drawing a little bit when I was young.
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I was reproduced with little things.
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I was very bad at school.
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I wasn't always very bad, but I chose the way that I chose to choose.
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So it didn't really play.
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And I started drawing in school, making little monsters.
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I took a drawing, I reproduced a little bit of a band.
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But it took me time, I loved it.
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So it didn't take long and it was just for the time.
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And then nothing.
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I don't know, for 10-12 years, the art wasn't my thing.
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I didn't have any artistic knowledge.
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When you talk about Picasso, I tell you, it's who is the singer?
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Maybe not, but it's a little idea.
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And then I came to Mexico in 2019 with my wife for a big change of life because in France it was complicated, we tried to build a business, it didn't work and all that.
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I was told to test abroad.
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So I came to Mexico because I knew a friend of mine here, and we were here, and then I was left.
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And then I gave you a little background to zero for you to understand why that was.
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We arrived in the view of a
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to create something, a company in Mexico.
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Because it's a little bit of El Dorado, Mexico, it's a country in development, so there are many foreigners who come and import their ideas from the foreign, from Europe, from the United States and others, and they put them in Mexico where it doesn't exist, and it's super.
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So, we were associated with a Mexican friend here, to do a nutrition clinic, for the loss of weight, keto, diet, etc.
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I don't know if people know it, but it was interesting for us.
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So now it's very popular.
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It was four years ago, it was a little less than three
From Failure to Artistic Revival
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years ago.
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And so we did that, but we didn't have any knowledge.
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So we had a doctor, we had a team, we had a team.
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We had a clinic where we lived.
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And it was just before the pandemic, so we had four months of activity in March 2020, if I'm not mistaken.
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Here it was, as I say it was in French, you know when you shut down everything.
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Confinement, exactly.
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And so, here when you have the shut down, you have the government who doesn't help you, you stop, you don't have any activity, you don't pay your employees.
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If you want to pay it, it's with the sous that you have in your pocket.
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So, with four months of activity, we had no trésor, nothing, we closed everything, we had lost the investment that we had at the beginning.
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We arrived, so we were in Mexico, we got no money, nothing, what do we do?
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To rentrer in France, it was a failure, so it was not really the goal.
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And so, with my wife, we gave us a French course in line.
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So, it's a classic, often, the expats, they do that for
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I did it, but I didn't want to be a job, so I started to draw.
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I didn't know exactly why.
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I did other things before.
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I did a little artisanat to try, I did a little Reiki for those who know it, to find a way, to say, okay, I'm here, I need to find a way.
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Hey there, it's me again.
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And I've always liked to draw it.
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It's been 12 years ago.
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I'll take a look at the drawing again.
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I had very basic markers, a little paper, and a paper paper.
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I took Instagram and I scrolled for hours and looked at what I liked.
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I searched a little bit about the style.
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And then I thought I liked the animals, I liked the style a little bit deconstructed, like Picasso and all
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that.
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I'm going to write, I'm going to write, I'm going to write, I'm going to write.
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I'm going to write, I'm going to write, I'm going to write.
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I'm going to write a lot of books on Picasso, Miro, Paul Klee, all that, to know a little bit of art.
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I've drawn on this painting almost every day, making little animals deconstructed.
00:17:35
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It's a collection that exists, it's called Genesis, on OpenSea.
00:17:39
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If people want to see it, it's all the animals that exist.
00:17:42
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I take a taureau, I put the eye, I put the eye, the tail that comes from the right, the tail that comes from the left, and I try to take the traits of the animal, but mix it like if you were a puzzle.
00:17:56
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So I made it on Instagram and I learned to do Instagram because it was important at the time.
00:18:01
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For the time it was going to explode on social media, it was going to be able to manage the hashtags, how to post it.
00:18:07
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I learned that, so it was 2020.
00:18:09
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And in fact, it exploded from the beginning.
00:18:10
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So these little drawings that I put on the front blanks, it was made blanch.
00:18:14
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Why font-blanc?
00:18:15
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Because I didn't know how to do the font, I didn't know how to do the landscape, so I always do the font-blanc.
00:18:21
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And so I put it on the channels, and I saw 300, 400, 500, I saw just 1000 likes on a account that was in a month or two.
00:18:27
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I thought, but there's something... How do you explain it?
00:18:30
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I think it's a unique style.
00:18:31
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Even like today, what exists for the portrait, the font-blanc and the portraits,
00:18:36
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on Instagram, when you scroll, you stop when there's something that you don't know.
00:18:40
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And in fact, what I did was, it was a little bit... I wanted to be original, different, so when I looked at this style, I also wanted to be different from the others.
00:18:51
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The goal was not to copy.
00:18:52
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And in fact, I realized that I had something that I didn't have.
00:18:55
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The black color is already luminous,
00:18:58
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So when you scroll on things that I don't know, color or something, you see a light on a second, you see a different color.
00:19:03
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And then in fact, I asked questions, I asked what is this animal, what do you see?
00:19:07
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So, you push the action and that was really helpful.
00:19:10
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And for one year, on Insta, I started to create my community.
00:19:14
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I was able to make 10,000 subscribers, which was not bad for the time, for a little new.
00:19:19
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And then I started to have contacts in Mexico, in my city, for the art gallery.
00:19:24
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So, it's small but I also started to make my
00:19:27
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my first expos in hotels and stuff like that.
00:19:31
Speaker
But it's going so fast, it's crazy!
00:19:32
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I thought there was a thing.
00:19:34
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Also, a little bit of a thing, when I do something, it's either I stop it very quickly because it's annoying or I do it in the fond and it's a business.
00:19:43
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Often I have the idea of passion because it's something that it's something that I like to do to something that I want to do to do money because I live my job.
00:19:51
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So I always wanted to do something that I liked, but also to pay my bills.
00:20:00
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And it's like that I've always pushed more for art because I wanted to live and be able to ensure my future.
00:20:08
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And so there were galleries that I contacted, so little galleries, it wasn't a big thing, but for me it was a lot at the time, especially for a little artist.
00:20:15
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They came to me, there was a guy who came with a microphone, a camera to do an interview, I was stressed like I don't know what.
00:20:20
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You know, I had 7-8 months of art, I said, okay, I have to talk about what I do without really knowing what I do,
00:20:28
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I never really had to do what I did.
00:20:30
Speaker
I can't say that it was a movement, it was a cubism, it was an expressionist, I can't say it.
00:20:35
Speaker
It's a project, you know.
00:20:37
Speaker
It's a mix of all that.
00:20:38
Speaker
And where it started to take really, it's when...
00:20:43
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When I discovered Korninsky, so Vassily Korninsky, who is a Russian artist, who is, it's between abstracts and abstracts, and it's a discovery.
00:20:51
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For all those who don't know it, it's a discovery.
00:20:54
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And it's a click.
00:20:54
Speaker
So I kept my style font-blanc, destructuré, and started to...
00:21:01
Speaker
to copy more or less the style of Karneski.
00:21:03
Speaker
I think that every artist has a bit this system.
00:21:06
Speaker
At first you copy, then you evolve, and then you have your own style.
00:21:09
Speaker
But not only artists.
00:21:11
Speaker
That's the case for everyone.
00:21:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:14
Speaker
Yeah, I know I'm a profile entrepreneur, and you're inspired by innovation pure.
00:21:19
Speaker
There's no one who doesn't do anything and just do something.
00:21:25
Speaker
You're all... Or you're a genius, but it's true.
00:21:27
Speaker
I think you're
00:21:28
Speaker
And even the genius, I don't know, I don't know, even in science or other, you're not necessarily going to be a species, you see, there's a continuity.
00:21:38
Speaker
So, no, no, it's all at a respectable.
00:21:41
Speaker
And, just, it's that who's a little bit... I think it was Grand Tune who made a super post there-dessus at a moment where he had...
00:21:49
Speaker
He said that it didn't give him a pleasure to be copied.
00:21:54
Speaker
I saw this post.
00:21:56
Speaker
Why did it make something that people copy?
00:21:58
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Because it's true that there are many people who have the style of Grandview now.
00:22:03
Speaker
I think he said at the beginning, yes.
00:22:05
Speaker
At the beginning, it was a bit of a problem.
00:22:08
Speaker
And then he said, in fact, no, it's flat.
00:22:09
Speaker
I mean, if people do it, it's that you inspire.
00:22:11
Speaker
But it's that which is fascinating with... It's that which is fascinating with...
00:22:18
Speaker
It's so simple that it gives you the impression that you could be able to do it.
00:22:23
Speaker
Which is not at all your case.
00:22:26
Speaker
Because you see it's really good, the guy.
00:22:29
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You see, I'm going to do a post right-hand on today.
00:22:32
Speaker
Because someone told me, it's too simple what you do.
00:22:35
Speaker
But I know it's not.
00:22:36
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He said, I said, but it's too simple.
00:22:38
Speaker
And I said, yes, it's true.
00:22:40
Speaker
For me, even in the way, I said, it's a simple.
00:22:43
Speaker
But you know, the simplicity comes when you practice something for years.
00:22:47
Speaker
At first it's difficult for everyone, no matter what art or other, and in fact, you do it for years and years, for you it's like writing, it's like writing, it's like writing.
00:22:56
Speaker
So you re-transmit it to the readers, editors, or clients, that it's something inné for you.
00:23:02
Speaker
It's like if you... Well, now, my portrait is structured, before I put eight hours to do it, now I can put three hours to do it, well, it depends on the inspiration,
00:23:09
Speaker
But because I see now, I think it's going to be drawn before I do it.
00:23:13
Speaker
The simplicity comes from there, I think.
00:23:16
Speaker
And to come back to what you said, it's true that... Well, we have a lot of problems with copy in the moment in the NFT.
00:23:22
Speaker
There are a lot of people who take trends, the modes.
00:23:25
Speaker
There are two schools, there are those that it's not, there are those that it's not.
00:23:27
Speaker
I have two schools.
00:23:28
Speaker
I mean, for me, in any case, it was a bit of a problem at the beginning of seeing a lot of people who do the same thing because it's annoying, in fact.
00:23:37
Speaker
But in fact, you have to copy it.
00:23:40
Speaker
At first, the important thing is to have your own style.
00:23:43
Speaker
I have to copy it to Grand Tune one day, and now I'm going to change the range of colors.
00:23:48
Speaker
For example, if you're in the top of the earth, the color, etc.
00:23:51
Speaker
I would like to do a thing super flashy, maybe in the same style of the landscape, but maybe in the same style of the landscape.
00:23:56
Speaker
And then you create your identity with the color.
00:23:58
Speaker
But you have to find something.
00:24:01
Speaker
Sinon, tu restes un mouton parmi les moutons et ça, c'est pas ce qu'on veut.
00:24:04
Speaker
Parce que si tu veux être un artiste qui est repéré, il faut que tu aies une identité.
00:24:08
Speaker
Pour moi.
00:24:09
Speaker
Mine de rien, ça demande une certaine confiance en soi parce que tant que tu restes dans les codes de ton inspiration, t'es un petit peu dans une zone de confort parce que tu sais que ça marche, tu sais que ça plaît, le mec, il a réussi.
00:24:21
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Et c'est aussi pour ça que ça doit être un petit peu frustrant parce que
00:24:24
Speaker
Mine de rien, des Grand Tunes, il n'y en a qu'un.
00:24:27
Speaker
Il y a un seul gars, c'est YCCTV ou quelque chose comme ça, je crois, qui est resté un petit peu dans ce thème-là.
00:24:34
Speaker
Ouais, ouais, ouais.
00:24:35
Speaker
Tu vois de qui je parle?
00:24:36
Speaker
C'est le gars avec les caméras ou c'est qui?
00:24:38
Speaker
Oui, ouais, ouais, c'est lui.
00:24:39
Speaker
Ouais, ouais.
00:24:40
Speaker
Ouais, c'est pareil.
00:24:41
Speaker
C'est ça, c'est style minimaliste.
00:24:43
Speaker
Mais il se l'est vraiment approprié, lui.
00:24:46
Speaker
Ouais, c'est ça, exactement.
00:24:47
Speaker
Il a pris le style, mais il a mis... Bon, la caméra, maintenant, c'est son identité, quoi.
00:24:51
Speaker
And, I was completely interrupted.
00:24:54
Speaker
You talked about Candinsky.
00:24:56
Speaker
Yeah, Candinsky, it's always... I have a lack of aspiration and I'm going to say, okay, I don't know what to do.
00:25:04
Speaker
I'll take my little book of Candinsky or an article on the internet
00:25:08
Speaker
I'm going to read little citations, I'm going to read some of the works and you're like, yeah, it's cool.
00:25:13
Speaker
And then it's like a drink of energy, you know, it's a little boost and then I'm going to say, it's good, it's ready.
00:25:19
Speaker
And so, from there, I made a geoportrait.
00:25:21
Speaker
Excuse me, I made first the works of the famous.
00:25:23
Speaker
I've taken the works of the famous.
00:25:24
Speaker
So, the same, the works of the famous are in Genesis.
00:25:27
Speaker
So I took the Vermeer, I took the young girl to La Perle, I took plenty of celebs, maybe 30 or 40 years.
00:25:34
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And that, it made me explode on Insta because you mix a unique style with celebs where you tag the Vermeer, the Kandinsky and all that, and it really worked well.
00:25:45
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and I started to sell it internationally at this point.
00:25:48
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So I had to sell, I think, the Seine, to New York.
00:25:50
Speaker
I had an oeuvre to New York, it was cool, you know.
00:25:54
Speaker
It took a year, maybe a few months ago that I was artist.
00:25:56
Speaker
Incredible.
00:25:57
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So I had to sell my first oeuvre to a wife here, a wife from Mexico, who is in the same town as I, who wanted to support, I think, more than something, and she bought me a picture of 50 dollars, I think.
00:26:07
Speaker
So, it was cool.
00:26:08
Speaker
I was very happy and then I was up to 100 dollars for the art.
00:26:12
Speaker
It's very complicated to fix my price for an artist.
00:26:14
Speaker
It's a question that comes very often.
00:26:17
Speaker
How to give value to your art?
00:26:19
Speaker
How to do that?
00:26:20
Speaker
So I was like, 100 dollars is what it's worth, I don't know.
00:26:23
Speaker
And it's part of it.
00:26:24
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I thought, super, it's going to be a good one.
00:26:27
Speaker
And then it arrived in 2021, in the beginning of 2021, and I saw the artist Gab Weiss, I think you know, it's a cubist, who is there from the beginning, Gab Weiss, it's an artist who is also quite known.
Entry into the NFT Space
00:26:42
Speaker
And I saw on Insta, I was following on Insta, and he put posts on OpenSea, I thought, what is this stuff, NFT, etc.
00:26:49
Speaker
And it's there that I was interested, where I started to say, okay, I need to go there, there's something to do.
00:26:55
Speaker
And so I'm arrived in, I don't know exactly, but in April or May 2021 on OpenSea and Twitter because I didn't have a account Twitter anymore.
00:27:02
Speaker
And I've learned.
00:27:04
Speaker
I've learned.
00:27:04
Speaker
Everyone was there in the same time as me.
00:27:07
Speaker
It was really the beginning.
00:27:08
Speaker
The beginning of CryptoPunks, the beginning of BoredApps and all that.
00:27:11
Speaker
And what I've been driving in fact was that I had really, really chance
00:27:15
Speaker
I don't know if it's a chance, but... OpenSea, the first week, contacted me on Instagram and said, we love what you do.
00:27:23
Speaker
At the time when they were still promoting artists and not only the projects they were in the FFP.
00:27:29
Speaker
They told me, we didn't want to be in the app of OpenSea.
00:27:31
Speaker
I said, what?
00:27:34
Speaker
So, you're there, okay.
00:27:36
Speaker
It was in a week after.
00:27:37
Speaker
They told me, it was in a week.
00:27:38
Speaker
I told my wife, I said, okay.
00:27:41
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I told my wife, I said, it's like, it's like a dingue.
00:27:45
Speaker
My collection, my collection, it was a cubist with forms of cubism, all that, with little characters.
00:27:51
Speaker
It was the first.
00:27:52
Speaker
And I had to create it in a week for a week to be able to propose.
00:27:56
Speaker
Because my collection had maybe one of them.
00:27:58
Speaker
I said, if I had one of them in a week, it's a dommage.
00:28:01
Speaker
So I made maybe 10-15 of them in a week.
00:28:03
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I had eyes red, I didn't do it.
00:28:05
Speaker
I said, it's a impact.
00:28:06
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:07
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:07
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:07
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:08
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:09
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:10
Speaker
It's a fact.
00:28:11
Speaker
And so, they left me five days on the page of the accueil.
00:28:15
Speaker
and I had to do 5000 dollars in 5 days so I was like what the hell?
00:28:17
Speaker
It's great
00:28:24
Speaker
And so I continued to create, because I was staying 4-5 days on the page, I continued to create, just like I said, it's what made me create problems, but because you want to propose something new, because sold out, sold out, sold out, it's something to sell, you know.
00:28:36
Speaker
It's a bit sad, but it was reality in 2021.
00:28:38
Speaker
And from there, I started, I made my geoportraits, so celebrities, with portraits structured, structured, abstract, and abstract.
00:28:45
Speaker
And there, it became my main collection, and I made that in 2021.
00:28:54
Speaker
I've got no idea what I've done with the portrait.
00:28:58
Speaker
Can you stop for this notion of having this pressure to create?
00:29:02
Speaker
Because it's something that is in our heads, clearly.
00:29:05
Speaker
It's not a fundamental reality of our universe to have to do it.
00:29:08
Speaker
And it's something that we create and I think we're all
00:29:18
Speaker
we are all all guilty of one way or another.
00:29:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's clear.
00:29:24
Speaker
It's a pressure, you know, fear of missing out.
00:29:27
Speaker
You have the impression of having this opportunity that you want to take out maximum.
00:29:30
Speaker
You don't want to get a lot of time.
00:29:32
Speaker
You want to get a lot of things.
00:29:34
Speaker
Today, with the recul that you have, do you think you would do differently?
00:29:38
Speaker
I think I would take more time for myself
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah, it's true.
00:29:41
Speaker
I don't want to create enough, I think.
00:29:42
Speaker
I like to create, so I like to create.
00:29:44
Speaker
I don't want to create, but it's not a problem.
00:29:47
Speaker
Even in 2021, when I was doing a lot, I would like to do it every time.
00:29:50
Speaker
It's just that I was fatigued, I was extender.
00:29:53
Speaker
So I think now I will do the same way, because it's a success, but maybe taking more time instead of doing a new one every day.
00:30:05
Speaker
Ah, well, it's fine, if you take a few days... If you take a few days for yourself, you go to the beach, I go to my dog, I go to my dog, I go to my dog, I go to my dog,
00:30:14
Speaker
It changes everything.
00:30:15
Speaker
It's time to have the eyes away from the screen.
00:30:19
Speaker
Just to stop... In 2021, Twitter was a crazy.
00:30:23
Speaker
So stop watching all the 5 seconds if you have a message, if you have a notification.
00:30:27
Speaker
I was going to say, why do you stop your notifications and why do you respond to your comments?
00:30:31
Speaker
You still have notifications on Twitter?
00:30:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:30:35
Speaker
But you're a fool.
00:30:37
Speaker
You're not, you?
00:30:38
Speaker
Zero.
00:30:39
Speaker
I have zero notifications on my phone.
00:30:41
Speaker
No phone calls, no messages, nothing at all.
00:30:44
Speaker
And not Twitter.
00:30:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, I'm a, but they don't have no effect like before.
00:30:49
Speaker
No, that's what you think.
00:30:50
Speaker
But yes, it's true.
00:30:52
Speaker
At every notification, it's active your dopamine system.
00:30:55
Speaker
And in addition to that, there's a thing, the best, one of the best books that I've read on the productivity.
00:31:09
Speaker
And how to be very effective at work, it's called Deep Work, which I recommend, I think it's Kyle Newton, the guy who wrote it.
00:31:16
Speaker
When you're in a job and you're in the flow, if you're focusing on it, it's at least 15 minutes for...
00:31:24
Speaker
It's to say that every time you're trying to create something, you're trying to work on something, if, for example, you're in the flow, you're completely engaged, if I decide to take my phone and watch a notification, it'll be 15 minutes to find this.
00:31:40
Speaker
And every notification,
00:31:44
Speaker
It's really the flay of our society, the notifications.
00:31:48
Speaker
Since the beginning, I'm an artist.
00:31:50
Speaker
I've never done a drawing for five hours.
00:31:52
Speaker
Even two hours.
00:31:52
Speaker
I always have my phone or something to do.
00:31:55
Speaker
Now, from NFT, it's the phone.
00:31:57
Speaker
But before it was... I don't know, I was 10-15 minutes, I was doing a thing, I was going to see a friend at the village.
00:32:04
Speaker
I didn't get the capacity to focus on it, or to organize it.
00:32:08
Speaker
But it's good.
00:32:13
Speaker
I don't know if it's good because... You're an artist, you have the right.
00:32:16
Speaker
Yeah, it's like... It's like the artist can do what they want.
00:32:20
Speaker
The moment it's a little bit of a disorder, it sounds good, you know.
00:32:23
Speaker
But I would like to say, okay, I'd like to finish the portrait today and finish it in five hours, finish it and I'll do something else.
00:32:28
Speaker
You know, at least it's square.
00:32:30
Speaker
It's not possible, I don't know.
00:32:32
Speaker
And I understand, I've already seen this info that you told me about, on the notifications in particular.
00:32:36
Speaker
Yeah, now, as I said, it doesn't make any effect, but implicitly, in my subconscious, I think there's this effect.
00:32:43
Speaker
Yeah, in general, when I was selling my portrait in 2021, I sold most of the portraits that I made in 2020, because I had already started to make all these works, so markers on paper, everything I started to do.
00:32:54
Speaker
After I invested in the markers a bit better, better quality.
00:32:58
Speaker
and also the best of the best quality because of course I stopped using the best of the ink and then I started to make the most great format I think that my biggest œuvre is 1m by 80 at the marker so that's a bit the problem also it's that the marker you make a very small, you can't make a large zone like with the painting and so for that reason I couldn't really make a lot of the fonts instead of the blancs I couldn't really make a lot of the fonts
00:33:22
Speaker
I would have to make a mix of media, you know, paint the painting, pastel, aquarelle and mix with the marker.
00:33:28
Speaker
I tried it, but my other hand was the markers.
00:33:31
Speaker
And then I thought, okay, in fact, it's the digital, because it's the next step.
00:33:36
Speaker
I got to take photos to put up on OpenSea, it was always a bit bizarre.
Digital Art Transformation
00:33:40
Speaker
It was much easier for me to invest in an iPad and use Procreate, which is the application I use today.
00:33:46
Speaker
Because it's black, it's net, the colors are alive.
00:33:49
Speaker
You take your JPEG, you put it on the platform, and it's done.
00:33:54
Speaker
So, since the NFT, in fact, I'm totally digital now.
00:33:57
Speaker
But I created more than 150 works for Marker.
00:34:03
Speaker
So in one year, I've done more than 100 jobs.
00:34:07
Speaker
150, I've done maybe one every two days.
00:34:09
Speaker
It's crazy.
00:34:11
Speaker
And how, as an artist digital, it's true that when we talk about token NFT or fongible, we have this notion of supply that comes back.
00:34:22
Speaker
Is it you,
00:34:23
Speaker
Do you think about it?
00:34:25
Speaker
Do you think about it?
00:34:26
Speaker
Because you know, we often talk about dilution.
00:34:31
Speaker
When you get new tokens, when you get new offers, you talk about dilution.
00:34:35
Speaker
Is it a concept that you think regularly?
00:34:38
Speaker
Is it something that doesn't matter?
00:34:40
Speaker
How do you see it in your artist strategy?
00:34:43
Speaker
So, the rarest of the token, is it?
00:34:46
Speaker
the rareté, the quantity of your works that exist, in fact.
00:34:49
Speaker
Ah, no, that's... Well, honestly, I've seen one or two times the subject abordé, but honestly, I think most artists are in agreement.
00:34:55
Speaker
You're an artist, you're there to create.
00:34:58
Speaker
I mean, you're not there to say, ah, no,
00:35:00
Speaker
I'm going to do a new thing every two or three months to create an art.
00:35:03
Speaker
Because I'm not going to be deprived of what I'm doing to create an art.
00:35:07
Speaker
So I'm going to draw, I'm going to draw, and I'm going to propose all the time new things.
00:35:12
Speaker
Because I'm going to love that.
00:35:15
Speaker
And I don't think... There are so many examples of Van Gogh and of artists very famous from the past, or there are two centuries even, who created
00:35:24
Speaker
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know
00:35:54
Speaker
So it's really important for me, when you invest in someone, to believe in your story and believe that he has a great potential.
00:36:01
Speaker
So in addition, I have the chance to have a collection of like this.
00:36:05
Speaker
It's not just speculation, it's also art.
00:36:08
Speaker
And it's not just because it's because he has 3-4 hours per year, otherwise there's no value.
00:36:14
Speaker
So for me, it's never been a debate.
00:36:16
Speaker
At the end of my mind, it's not a debate.
00:36:19
Speaker
I like what I do, I'll do it.
00:36:21
Speaker
I think maybe in the future,
00:36:23
Speaker
Imagine, I don't know, there are plenty of things that can happen.
00:36:27
Speaker
You can create less because at a moment, maybe your body needs to rest, you've grown, you've got to be able to get more time.
00:36:32
Speaker
But I don't think that it will be a 9 per year.
00:36:35
Speaker
It will be a 9 every two weeks.
00:36:36
Speaker
Imagine, maybe in 10 years, a 9 every two weeks, a 9 every three weeks.
00:36:40
Speaker
But it would be really bad to depriose an artist from what he does.
00:36:45
Speaker
C'est un des trucs, parce que du coup, ça fait deux ans que je te connais, j'ai vu un petit peu ce que tu faisais à l'époque et je vois ce que tu fais maintenant.
00:36:55
Speaker
J'ai vraiment l'impression que tu es en train d'atteindre un nouveau palier actuellement en termes de création artistique.
00:37:03
Speaker
Est-ce que c'est toi quelque chose que tu recherches activement?
00:37:06
Speaker
Est-ce que c'est quelque chose qui a lieu justement parce que tu as cette résilience, parce que tu continues de travailler continuellement?
00:37:12
Speaker
How do you feel about your prolific creation and your evolution of art in the
Abstract Art and Emotional Expression
00:37:20
Speaker
time?
00:37:20
Speaker
I think that the portraits, the geoportraits, as I call them, because they are geométriques, we'll say.
00:37:25
Speaker
It's not geométriques, but it's a bit of a geometry.
00:37:29
Speaker
I call it geoportraits, it's always my identity because it's like that I was known.
00:37:33
Speaker
I'm not a celebrity, but I'm known like that.
00:37:36
Speaker
And I'm doing it.
00:37:37
Speaker
So it's really... It's always, we'll say, 50%, 80% of my work.
00:37:42
Speaker
I don't know exactly how much it's.
00:37:43
Speaker
But it's not long ago, I thought, okay, it's fine.
00:37:46
Speaker
It's been a year and a half that I do it.
00:37:48
Speaker
But for me, I need to do something else and to...
00:37:51
Speaker
and create even more emotion.
00:37:53
Speaker
The portraits create a lot of emotion in the collection, because as you said earlier, it's the 90-2000 who are touched the most.
00:38:01
Speaker
I've made a lot of characters Nintendo, video games, manga, etc.
00:38:04
Speaker
And it talks about, in all of a sudden, it was a lot of my childhood, and I know there are many of my age who it talks about.
00:38:11
Speaker
So it's very cool, it brings memories.
00:38:14
Speaker
It's not the same emotion that I create with the new of now, which are more abstracts.
00:38:19
Speaker
I've done for a few months, some of the works completely abstracts, on Foundation mainly, and a bit on Bitcoin now.
00:38:28
Speaker
And that, in fact, it's a personal challenge because you're going to 0.
00:38:31
Speaker
When I'm doing a portrait, I'm going to an image reference.
00:38:34
Speaker
So there's no creation pure of 0.
00:38:37
Speaker
So when you're going to an abstract, I'm going to do much less because, just because, you have to be completely focused and you have an idea.
00:38:43
Speaker
You have to have a desire.
00:38:44
Speaker
One per day, that would be impossible.
00:38:46
Speaker
No, no, no, it's not possible.
00:38:47
Speaker
Even if I wanted, I wouldn't.
00:38:49
Speaker
I had to do three or four days because I was there, I had a message to pass.
00:38:56
Speaker
You know, you have a thing, you have a direction and you know where you are.
00:38:59
Speaker
And then after, you have to go for a month because you don't have inspiration.
00:39:04
Speaker
So there were some of the things I made about the theme of the man in society and the pression patriarcale and all that.
00:39:12
Speaker
So I had an inspiration and I was transmitted through the abstract.
00:39:15
Speaker
And that's what I was inspired and it was very cool.
00:39:18
Speaker
But if you don't, you don't have to do the inspiration in the abstract.
00:39:23
Speaker
So that's the difference between the portraits and my new style artistically.
00:39:27
Speaker
I can make my emotions pass, you know, in general.
00:39:30
Speaker
I'm a other subject, but... the people in general, they don't really feel very little.
00:39:34
Speaker
I'm the first one for my education and for everything that we have given the society.
00:39:39
Speaker
We have always to retenir emotions.
00:39:41
Speaker
or other emotions, by the way.
00:39:42
Speaker
And the art abstract began to give me some emotions.
00:39:46
Speaker
There is music that I give more and more, and the music combined with what I draw, mainly, so the works on Foundation that I made it not long ago, it made me feel like it was a bit of a feeling that you can have to draw something that you don't know about what you're doing, because I don't know why, but you don't know why.
00:40:07
Speaker
and you re-transmets through your art.
00:40:09
Speaker
And then, if the person in front is like you, like you, is super, if they interpret differently, it's what's good too, it's abstract, so you can see what you want.
00:40:18
Speaker
I had a need to transmit something that I couldn't transmit with the portraits.
00:40:21
Speaker
Ah, c'est trop bien.
00:40:23
Speaker
J'adore.
00:40:24
Speaker
C'est vraiment... C'est trop important.
00:40:26
Speaker
C'est important pour un artiste, je pense, d'évoluer.
00:40:29
Speaker
Pas forcément, je pense, que tu as besoin d'une identité.
00:40:31
Speaker
Donc moi, j'ai toujours cette identité de déconstruire.
00:40:35
Speaker
On va dire toujours un peu géométrique et avec des formes que je compose.
00:40:40
Speaker
Parce que maintenant, je comprends que la composition est le plus important dans le travail, dans mon travail en tout cas.
00:40:44
Speaker
I don't know if you saw the last of my collection that I made with my collection?
00:40:47
Speaker
I don't know if you participated even.
00:40:49
Speaker
With the colors?
00:40:50
Speaker
No, it's the one that I asked each one to give an object, an object.
00:40:55
Speaker
And I was integrated into an object.
00:40:57
Speaker
I didn't see it.
00:40:58
Speaker
In a week, it was about a week, 10 days.
00:41:01
Speaker
And each one gave me in the comments a crane, a carré, a car, a train, whatever you want.
00:41:07
Speaker
So the activity was to compose.
00:41:10
Speaker
You can have all these things, but each artist will make a different thing.
00:41:13
Speaker
And the beauty of Love is that if you compose it correctly, in any case for me, it will transmit something.
00:41:21
Speaker
But if you put all these elements in the center and fouiller, it can be less cool.
00:41:27
Speaker
So my challenge was that.
00:41:28
Speaker
I had 43 collectionneurs who proposed something, 43 little drawings.
00:41:34
Speaker
The love called Collector, it's the family who chose it.
00:41:37
Speaker
And then I put it on it and I put it on it and we put it in open edition.
00:41:43
Speaker
Everyone was very happy to participate and to see his little grain of salt in an art project.
00:41:49
Speaker
And the result was cool.
00:41:50
Speaker
There is a concept that comes out a lot and I've already talked about it in the podcast.
00:42:01
Speaker
and which I'm using now for project management, for example, it's wisdom of the crowd.
00:42:06
Speaker
It's the... The force of the crowd.
00:42:11
Speaker
The force of the crowd.
00:42:13
Speaker
Yeah, I've heard a concept like that, yeah.
00:42:15
Speaker
I think that's a little bit it's a little bit it's a little bit it's a little bit and I'm a facilitator and so my goal is to take the contributions of each one and to them package it's literally what you did also you had the full who gave you things and you're the facilitator artist who does and the result was fantastic and it was a super initiative and to come back to what you said how an artist
00:42:43
Speaker
a new artist in the sphere NFT can be marked.
00:42:46
Speaker
I think it's also important to make a community participate.
00:42:50
Speaker
So, first create a community, of course, but create always interactions.
00:42:54
Speaker
First, it's cool because it's better than just letting an oeuvre and saying okay, let's go.
00:42:59
Speaker
And that's also a problem for me, for many artists, I don't
Community Involvement in Art Projects
00:43:03
Speaker
know if it's a lot, but I see often artists who are very repetitive, who will post the photo of the book, the title, the size, why not, and the price, and they will buy it.
00:43:14
Speaker
And they do that without emotion, you have the impression of being a product, and people will buy it.
00:43:21
Speaker
And that's not, I mean it works maybe one or two times, but if you want to work on the long term, you need to create a symbiote with people who support you.
00:43:32
Speaker
So it's not easy all the time, of course, because you don't always have ideas to propose things, and sometimes you don't want to create, you don't want to take the head with other things.
00:43:41
Speaker
But sometimes it's really cool, I love to create small projects, just like ideas, community ideas,
00:43:47
Speaker
And so that's what I'm trying to do.
00:43:49
Speaker
Just the people are happy because they do something.
00:43:51
Speaker
They're not just there to purchase an artwork, they participate actively.
00:43:55
Speaker
Do you think that's what the part... When someone buys an artwork, what's the part of the artwork and the artist?
00:44:01
Speaker
Is it someone who you collect today, who buys your art, you think he buys 50% of the art and 50% of the person?
00:44:08
Speaker
Do you think that's more disproportionate than that?
00:44:12
Speaker
I think it would be a 70-30, 70 for the art and 30 for the artist.
00:44:16
Speaker
After all depends, I think, I speak for the others, so I can't really know.
00:44:21
Speaker
But I think it depends on the person, the artist, on his life as an artist or not.
00:44:24
Speaker
If he just posts his works and he has never posted his face or his life, the collectioner will buy the art because he doesn't know the artist.
00:44:33
Speaker
But if you start to show you a little bit and show you who you are, well, not from the beginning, but from a little moment, I talk about myself and
00:44:42
Speaker
of my life, etc.
00:44:43
Speaker
And I have now messages in private that I didn't have before.
00:44:47
Speaker
I saw this post and I resonate really with what you said.
00:44:51
Speaker
And your story is so, it inspires me.
00:44:53
Speaker
I'm not every day, but it happens.
00:44:55
Speaker
And it makes really fun because when I share my story saying you can do it and all that, it's not saying that I did well, it's not that I did better than others.
00:45:02
Speaker
It's in saying that if I did it, everyone can do it.
00:45:04
Speaker
I'm not exceptional.
00:45:05
Speaker
And so I really want to see people who sort of their
00:45:11
Speaker
of their lives, they don't like it too much to go to something they prefer.
00:45:14
Speaker
And that happens regularly and it's a kiff.
00:45:17
Speaker
So I think that in this case, people also buy the artist because they have a real connection with the artist and with their story.
00:45:24
Speaker
And so the story of the artist is also part of why you invest.
00:45:27
Speaker
Because if the artist is resilient and wants to arrive and that it's going to be seen,
00:45:33
Speaker
you will say okay but he will never abandon him he will go even more high you see it's clear so I'm not a collectioner really I collect very few of the books because I don't get to concentrate on collection and create I create it to 90% and sometimes I buy some of them but very rarely it's rather physical that I buy for my if you look at the collection you really need to look for the artist not only for art
00:46:02
Speaker
but also for what he is and what he is going to be later.
00:46:07
Speaker
Because just to support an artist, it's good, it's nice, but it's also a value.
00:46:13
Speaker
The money is a value, so you have to return.
00:46:15
Speaker
You don't have to wait for a week or two weeks, of course, because it's impossible.
00:46:19
Speaker
There are many who have been able to do it at the end of the market, who said, I'll buy it, and then they were a little more expensive.
00:46:25
Speaker
They wanted a benefit at the end of a week or even at the end of a week or at the end of a week.
00:46:29
Speaker
No, you need to buy it because in five or ten years it will take it and you need to be patient.
00:46:34
Speaker
Like everything, the patience is important.
00:46:38
Speaker
But to buy a work, you need to investigate, is that it's in French?
00:46:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:46:43
Speaker
You need to see, you know, really.
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah, it's in French.
00:46:47
Speaker
So that the artist is so beautiful, but also that it is an emerging artist and that there is potential in the artist.
00:46:55
Speaker
For me, it's one of the most importants.
00:46:58
Speaker
And I think that some of them forget it and then they forget that there is no value on the album.
00:47:03
Speaker
Well, you can buy it because Gary Vee bought it and so it doesn't explode.
00:47:10
Speaker
Dommage, you know.
00:47:11
Speaker
And again,
00:47:12
Speaker
Pire que ça, encore plus simpliste que ça, il y a vraiment ce truc pendant le bull market d'avoir l'impression que parce que tu achètes un NFT, parce que c'est un NFT, il va prendre de la valeur alors qu'il n'y a pas de valeur inhérente à la technologie.
00:47:26
Speaker
C'est ce qu'il y a dessus, mais ça les gens… Je dis aussi vraiment l'art et les NFT.
00:47:30
Speaker
Enfin, je veux dire, tu as l'œuvre d'art et puis ensuite qui est sur la blockchain en tant qu'NFT.
NFTs vs Traditional Art
00:47:37
Speaker
But at the base it's art, it's not really different.
00:47:41
Speaker
So, NFT is a NFT, I mean, it's not a value that an art classic.
00:47:45
Speaker
No, no, it's sure.
00:47:45
Speaker
If you believe in Web3, you know it will have more value because it is authentic.
00:47:50
Speaker
There's only one, or there's only one edition, but in all cases it is authentic.
00:47:53
Speaker
But in addition to that, it remains the same as if you were in physical art.
00:47:58
Speaker
How do you choose the geopersonnage?
00:48:01
Speaker
Do you have to be particularly fan?
00:48:05
Speaker
Do you have to consume their stories?
00:48:07
Speaker
Or is it the period that you inspire?
00:48:10
Speaker
How do you do this choice?
00:48:11
Speaker
There's a little bit of everything.
00:48:13
Speaker
The first thing I made was inspired by inspiration and by what I liked.
00:48:17
Speaker
Now I'm doing... You're going to get to the end of it, of course, you've made a lot of characters.
00:48:22
Speaker
I've made a portrait, I don't know how many of you've made, but at least 400.
00:48:26
Speaker
So at the end of a moment, you say...
00:48:27
Speaker
I made all the characters of my childhood, I made all the chanteurs that I liked.
00:48:32
Speaker
Most of them are made because I love them.
00:48:34
Speaker
In general, I don't do a character that I don't like at all, who is controversial or who is a tyrant political villain.
00:48:43
Speaker
I don't know, but the idea would not be doing it.
00:48:47
Speaker
Caricature Poutine.
00:48:48
Speaker
C'est ça, un Poutine ou un Hitler, on va éviter parce que sinon je pense que je vais chuter dans les sondages.
00:48:52
Speaker
Je pense qu'il y en aurait qui demanderaient ça, mais je pense que ça serait un non catégorique.
00:48:56
Speaker
Et ensuite, alors il y a des demandes.
00:48:58
Speaker
Je prends maintenant des commissions, donc des commissions des œuvres sur demande, portrait sur demande en 1-1.
00:49:03
Speaker
Donc là, c'est le holder qui choisit, il prend vraiment qui il veut.
00:49:07
Speaker
who hasn't already done, of course.
00:49:08
Speaker
And of course, I've done this system, I don't know if you've seen it.
Unique Art Commissions
00:49:14
Speaker
Yeah, I've seen it.
00:49:16
Speaker
I was really disappointed.
00:49:18
Speaker
I wanted to take one and I've taken the mint for not long time.
00:49:22
Speaker
But in the meantime, it's gone very very very quickly.
00:49:24
Speaker
It's gone very quickly, I think 30 minutes, there were 100.
00:49:26
Speaker
So the idea, in general, is that this portrait, in noir and blanc, is the key for having a portrait commission, so on demand.
00:49:33
Speaker
I'd like to do more in the future, to make one-one,
00:49:36
Speaker
and to make less.
00:49:37
Speaker
So it's really a privilege to have these portraits, these geoportraits in unique edition.
00:49:44
Speaker
So, these people who have this NFT unique, this key, will be privileged.
00:49:50
Speaker
And the idea is that my career will rise and rise, and that people will fight for having these 100 NFTs, which are the key for having the one-one.
00:49:58
Speaker
How many are there?
00:50:00
Speaker
How many?
00:50:02
Speaker
You've already had commissions?
00:50:03
Speaker
Because how do you do that?
00:50:05
Speaker
They have to burn the key to obtain a commission, is that?
00:50:09
Speaker
No, no, not even not.
00:50:09
Speaker
That's what is cool.
00:50:10
Speaker
In fact, there are always 100.
00:50:12
Speaker
Because imagine, after you have 99 who burn and there are no one.
00:50:16
Speaker
I mean, there are no people who could have a...
00:50:19
Speaker
a portrait one-one, it's very bad.
00:50:20
Speaker
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:21
Speaker
So there's 100, in fact, so it's a bit of a reflection because I thought I'd be cutting out of the other commissions, people who are not holders of this portrait, who won't ask them, so it might be a clientele.
00:50:34
Speaker
But, well, it's got to choose between the rareté and the mass.
00:50:37
Speaker
And so, what was the question?
00:50:40
Speaker
How do you do that?
00:50:41
Speaker
Once you have the key, how do you do that for you to obtain a... What's good is that you have 100 and once you have one, imagine you have one unit, you just ask me to ask in DM the portrait that you want, and you can ask in 2, 3, 4, it's your key, so you use it as a key to enter your home.
00:50:54
Speaker
Okay.
00:50:55
Speaker
And if you don't want to, you put it on the second floor and there's someone who...
00:51:03
Speaker
Once I used the key to obtain the commission, how much money is it?
00:51:08
Speaker
The portrait is 0,28 Ethereum, it's not a fixed price, it's the price of today.
00:51:12
Speaker
I don't tell you that if in two years there will be some modifications.
00:51:16
Speaker
So here it's 0,28.
00:51:17
Speaker
Imagine, I don't know, because it explodes international, maybe a day the portrait will be an Ethereum, but today it's 0,28.
00:51:24
Speaker
So the value is in this key and in the way of being able to revend it.
00:51:29
Speaker
Imagine you have made your portrait, you're happy, you have the person that you love, and you revend your key and you make a plus value on the key.
00:51:36
Speaker
They're going to how much, this key?
00:51:38
Speaker
There's no one who is listing it.
00:51:39
Speaker
They're not bêtes.
00:51:40
Speaker
Aïe, aïe, aïe, aïe, aïe.
00:51:41
Speaker
Maybe there will be some of them, but I think that people have understood when they bought it that it would be worth in time.
00:51:48
Speaker
Because those who bought it, they might have a project to make a commission, but not now.
00:51:53
Speaker
When they have money or in an hour, they will be able to get it.
00:51:57
Speaker
Or maybe they have bought it several, because there are two or three, they have to do the same thing, to make a speculation.
00:52:02
Speaker
So it's the thing, you can't... I'll find them, I'll find them and I'll find them.
00:52:06
Speaker
There's a few days ago, there's no one in vente, maybe there's no one in vente, but it's a lot of money.
00:52:12
Speaker
I know that I'm going to break... At least before, I'd be too going to break the head on this notion of supply, what can I create and not create, and is it that I don't do that one-one, is it that I do... For example, I don't like to collect multiple collections.
00:52:31
Speaker
It's why, just now, there were some portraits that I loved.
00:52:37
Speaker
My portrait is not unique.
00:52:38
Speaker
It was always a little bit... But after, it's very specific to me.
00:52:44
Speaker
I have a lot of people like you, there are a few people like you,
00:52:49
Speaker
And my strategy was... Well, before it was a little bit of two.
00:52:52
Speaker
Now I'm doing a little bit more edition during the market because I know that the portfolio has been reduced.
00:52:57
Speaker
And it's clear because the portfolio 1, I've been doing a lot less during the market.
00:53:01
Speaker
So I propose, I adapt to the market.
00:53:05
Speaker
Why did I continue to sell?
00:53:07
Speaker
Because I'm adapted.
00:53:10
Speaker
In 2021, Bull Market, I was in 5 editions, it was 0,18 per edition.
00:53:13
Speaker
So it was...
00:53:16
Speaker
Assez intéressant.
00:53:17
Speaker
Aujourd'hui, une édition de 5, c'est 0.06.
00:53:20
Speaker
Tu vois?
00:53:21
Speaker
Parce que je m'adapte et je n'ai pas envie de faire payer au-delà de ce que... Les gens, en mon vie, ils aiment l'art que je fais.
00:53:29
Speaker
Je ne vais pas les priver d'en acheter en mettant des prix inaccessibles.
00:53:32
Speaker
Pour l'instant, je m'adapte.
00:53:33
Speaker
Je ne suis pas quelqu'un de...
00:53:34
Speaker
of celebrities saying that I'm going to put one Ethereum and then they don't want to.
00:53:38
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I prefer to say that I'm adapting to my community, they have a desire to have my art, I'm going to just increase the price, it's not a problem, we'll show up little bit in the future.
00:53:46
Speaker
Justly, these people are very happy to have done a plus value because they haven't been able to buy beer and bull market, they will make a little x3 x4, which is what happened in 2021.
00:53:55
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even more than that.
00:53:57
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And so, my secret to the Bermarket, it's that I also got adapted to the market.
00:54:00
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I didn't have a head for two years, because in addition, you don't know how long it will take, the Bermarket is particularly long.
00:54:05
Speaker
If you hold your head with your edition 0.18, and you say, it's not a bad thing, I found someone,
00:54:10
Speaker
Well, art now, it's my job, it's at a time.
00:54:13
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I have to do a revenue too.
00:54:14
Speaker
So, from one side, I make pleasure to my collectionneurs who can buy it.
00:54:18
Speaker
From the other side, there's a revenue that comes to me for being able to live.
00:54:21
Speaker
Yeah, it's clear.
00:54:22
Speaker
But I think that your secret... Well, adaptation, it's probably
NFT Community Connection
00:54:26
Speaker
a secret.
00:54:26
Speaker
But your real secret, for me, it's really your ability to stay in contact with your community and to be always there, to have this presence and energy that I spoke earlier.
00:54:36
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There are a lot of people who are going to go.
00:54:39
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To you, we see that it's your job, you have benefited, you don't hide it, you're very transparent there-dessus, but you're not a grifter, like we say, or when the wind will be better, I'll come back.
00:54:53
Speaker
You're there, you're in contact with people, you're in the Discord, you're in CryptoMask, it's your base, you're there every day, you're in contact, people know you're part of the thing, you're not someone who's out and who wants to take advantage, you're not in the game, you're the game.
00:55:13
Speaker
I don't know what to think about those who are leaving.
00:55:16
Speaker
I was a little bit at the beginning of NFT and I saw many artists who have exploded in the same time as me in 2021.
00:55:22
Speaker
Very cool for them, but they are leaving directly in 2022.
00:55:25
Speaker
I don't have any advice on that.
00:55:26
Speaker
I don't know what to think about
00:55:31
Speaker
Because each one has his life, of course, you can have... If you don't have a loan, you have the facture to pay, you have to pay your job.
00:55:39
Speaker
I've seen 2-3 artists who couldn't even get there, they didn't get there, so they were taking their job.
00:55:44
Speaker
They were in full time since the beginning of 2021, they became artists at the end, because there's no choice.
00:55:50
Speaker
I don't know if it's a step in the back, but in any case it's necessary, because you need to live.
00:55:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's what it's what it's what it's what.
00:55:59
Speaker
But after, is there more merit for those who are staying in the market, who have been in the good and who have been in the good?
00:56:05
Speaker
And is there less merit for those who are partying?
00:56:07
Speaker
I don't know.
00:56:08
Speaker
I don't think there's a question of merit.
00:56:10
Speaker
Well, after, there's a difference of intentions.
00:56:12
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If there are people who are coming just because there was a big opportunity to put them in the pocket and they're going to be left straight, there, there's no merit.
00:56:19
Speaker
And they, they need to remember
00:56:22
Speaker
when they come back and not give them the same liquid.
00:56:25
Speaker
But there is the fact that it's a real investment, that the energy that you give compared to the energy that you receive is not the same thing.
00:56:34
Speaker
And so for them, I don't know anything.
00:56:37
Speaker
Because clearly, you know, I made my bull market in 2017 and after, for a year and a half, I was not active.
00:56:43
Speaker
And I needed to, because it was a lot of time.
00:56:47
Speaker
And I was not a builder, I was just a investor, and it was already been a lot of time.
00:56:52
Speaker
And so I can understand the people who do that for a half an hour and a half, and then they leave.
00:56:59
Speaker
And to say that, it puts even more in light the force and the resilience you talked about.
00:57:04
Speaker
Because there is not necessarily a merit for them, but there is a merit for someone like you, who is always there, who is always there,
00:57:13
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who does what he has to do, who is always in contact.
00:57:14
Speaker
So, bravo.
00:57:15
Speaker
Thank you.
00:57:16
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Especially at the level of the collection of 2021, I have seen them in pause, in all of a sudden, they are in the hibernation.
00:57:23
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I've had news of some time, but it was really a family.
00:57:27
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There was really a difference between those who have collected my art in 2021 and the beer market, which is now much more francophone, which is very cool.
00:57:34
Speaker
So it makes me see different horizons.
00:57:36
Speaker
But those of the same beer market, it's the impression that they are in the hibernation in the next one and they will come back in not long time.
00:57:42
Speaker
So it's different when you say you're an investor, an artist or an investor.
00:57:48
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These two things are not comparable.
00:57:51
Speaker
But it's not a matter of merit.
00:57:52
Speaker
I'm proud of myself to be staying.
00:57:54
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Because it's not easy to be all day.
00:57:56
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People see the sales positive news that I can give on the channels.
00:58:00
Speaker
But of course, there's what I'm doing behind it.
00:58:02
Speaker
There's what I'm doing.
00:58:07
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I can have questions, the syndrome of the poster we've already talked about a little bit, but I still have a lot less than the beginning, but I still have a lot more time in time.
00:58:17
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But tell me, I want to tell you how it's interesting to see you.
00:58:20
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When you compare it all the time to others, you feel not legitimate.
00:58:24
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that you're not legitimate, you're not at your place.
00:58:28
Speaker
I've never done an art, so those who have done an art school are maybe better than me.
00:58:33
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Why am I here?
00:58:33
Speaker
Why am I here?
00:58:34
Speaker
Why am I here?
00:58:35
Speaker
You're always not at your place.
00:58:38
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It's a bit bizarre.
00:58:40
Speaker
And how do you work?
00:58:41
Speaker
How do you work?
00:58:42
Speaker
In resilience, in meditation, in breathing, in breathing, in seeing friends.
00:58:48
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For me, I think the social social, in the real life, it's important because it's that which makes me feel like you're doing.
00:58:54
Speaker
In general, I'm working in the morning, I'm creating the morning, and I'm not every day, but I'm going to the middle of the centre-ville, so it's at 30 minutes from home, I see some friends.
00:59:03
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I play a paddle.
00:59:04
Speaker
I play a paddle.
00:59:05
Speaker
I play a paddle.
00:59:06
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I play a little bit this evening,
00:59:09
Speaker
And you see, that's me, that's not a problem.
00:59:12
Speaker
And I have my phone, of course, to watch from time to time and make one or two posts.
00:59:16
Speaker
But then, I come back the evening, I take a good shower, I recreative a little bit before I sleep.
00:59:20
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And then in general, that's a little bit of a daily life.
00:59:22
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And that's what I'm doing in all of a good way.
00:59:25
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In any case, compared to 2021, it was non-stop.
00:59:27
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I didn't have a social life because it was also the Covid.
00:59:30
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So,
00:59:31
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It's not a problem.
00:59:32
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I can also change ideas.
00:59:35
Speaker
But how to manage it?
00:59:36
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It's not easy.
00:59:37
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I had a discussion with a collection that has this, who is new in the art and who has this feeling.
00:59:43
Speaker
I looked at how to explain it on the internet.
00:59:46
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They say that 70% of the artists have it.
00:59:48
Speaker
It's enormous.
00:59:49
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They have it at least once.
00:59:50
Speaker
Not all their lives, but they have it already.
00:59:54
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You know what, we don't remember it in the cadre of a podcast and I'm sure I'll give you a hand there.
01:00:00
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With the one hand.
01:00:01
Speaker
There's always sources, there's always roots, there's nothing in the human experience, there's nothing in the human experience, there's nothing in connection.
01:00:10
Speaker
And it's already happened to help
Art as Emotional Expression
01:00:12
Speaker
people find it.
01:00:12
Speaker
So I like well these discussions a little...
01:00:22
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a little bit philosophical because it's always, like you said, it's the root of the root, it's the root of the education, it's a lot more.
01:00:27
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Well, it's a thing I'd have to do, my wife told me to do it, it's to see a psycho, you know, just for... not in the sense of you have a problem, and even if I have a problem, but it's a problem that everyone...
01:00:38
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All the people have some issues.
01:00:40
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Many of them have problems with psys.
01:00:41
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They keep too much, as I said earlier, for the emotions.
01:00:45
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I saw an study not yet, why men are more than women than women.
01:00:48
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It's one of the reasons why men are more than women.
01:00:50
Speaker
Because they keep their emotions, they keep their emotions, they keep their control and keep their emotions.
01:00:57
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you create the infarctus, the internal problems which are horrible.
01:01:01
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And that's a big job that is done.
01:01:03
Speaker
I think that people, today, people, they are aware of it.
01:01:06
Speaker
And I would have to go to see a psy, but I had this reflection a little bit, like, I don't know.
01:01:10
Speaker
If you want to see a psy, it's that you have a weakness.
01:01:13
Speaker
and that you have a weakness.
01:01:14
Speaker
So it becomes real.
01:01:15
Speaker
I know that I will do it at a moment, but I feel like I feel the click.
01:01:18
Speaker
But you see, the artist, the artist, a little bit naughty and all that, I don't know if it exists really, but yes, we are confronted with ourselves, in fact.
01:01:27
Speaker
We are confronted with ourselves and it's not easy.
01:01:28
Speaker
And it's not easy, but it's beautiful in the same time.
01:01:31
Speaker
Because if you take the time to listen to, in fact, to say, okay, I have this problem-like, how can I solve it?
01:01:37
Speaker
Well, you can move as an human, not as an artist, but as an human.
01:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, it's cool what you say.
01:01:44
Speaker
But it's beautiful.
01:01:45
Speaker
And there's this way where...
01:01:48
Speaker
For me, the life, I developed a little bit this way of seeing the life, which is that you pass things outside, which make things to do inside and make you an exploration.
01:01:58
Speaker
You have your exploration outside in life, you're an artist, you're an entrepreneur, you're what you want.
01:02:05
Speaker
And all that, it's in a couple, for example, which is an enormous source of clicks.
01:02:10
Speaker
And all that, it makes you do things inside and it makes you have this exploration.
01:02:14
Speaker
And so it's cool to...
01:02:16
Speaker
It's always interesting, and especially with the... to have conversations with the people, because we have this basis where we are the first generation to say, okay, the vulnerability is maybe important.
01:02:29
Speaker
And so, having conversations like that with people who are from the other side of the world, who are in our ecosystem, who don't let's not put place in the vulnerability, and in fact, when we start talking about it, there's this notion of fraternity, I think it's... Well, after, as you said, each...
01:02:46
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the region of the world has a little bit of an advancement there-dessus I think in Europe we have a chance to be quite advanced there-dessus, although it's not yet definitive but you see, in Mexico we are still a little bit in the back, we are still on the machismo and all that so it's not a question that we have to ask
01:03:04
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It's not possible to start with the generation of our parents.
01:03:08
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But it's very cool.
01:03:09
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I think it's vital for the men.
01:03:12
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After, the women have surely the same problem, but maybe at different levels.
01:03:16
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I think it's interesting to create emotions, to find the button to know where it is.
01:03:23
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Because I've never seen my father pleurer, for example.
01:03:25
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I believe it's a very few.
01:03:26
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I think it's something that comes.
01:03:27
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It's not a fault of the parents, because they've been educated like that, and they've been able to do what they can.
01:03:33
Speaker
They do what they can do.
01:03:34
Speaker
Exactly.
01:03:35
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But at a moment, they tell you, I don't know, you're going to do something wrong, you're going to cry, or something like that, you know, you're going to assimilate, and you're going to keep it.
01:03:43
Speaker
And then you become a man insensible later, and then it causes problems.
01:03:47
Speaker
Because that's...
01:03:48
Speaker
In the relationships, it's known that men are often more behind and show less emotions.
01:03:54
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That's something that women often reproach.
01:03:56
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And that's what I'm doing too.
01:03:57
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It's like that.
01:03:59
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And it's good because the art, in all of a sudden, I hope to see other artists.
01:04:06
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But it allows me to express myself on the subject.
01:04:10
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You'll see if you want to watch the art, which are already vendues, but on Foundation, the collection is called Ultimate.
01:04:17
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And there are two or three of them who talk about that.
01:04:19
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You'll probably recognize a little bit of the idea, but at the end, you'll recognize it.
01:04:24
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I'll see you later.
01:04:25
Speaker
I have a thing called the rapid fire questions.
01:04:29
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These are little questions, a little bit rapid.
01:04:31
Speaker
If you could buy a single NFT non-artistique that you would like to do, what would you do?
01:04:35
Speaker
Non-artistique?
01:04:36
Speaker
I would like to buy a Punk, I think.
01:04:37
Speaker
Captain Punk, for the speculative value.
01:04:39
Speaker
If you could buy a single NFT artistique?
01:04:42
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The one that we mentioned, I would like to buy a Grand Tune.
01:04:45
Speaker
If you wanted to buy a crypto?
01:04:47
Speaker
Bitcoin.
01:04:48
Speaker
Oh, you're the first to not say... Well, if we have Cryptomath, who said Bitcoin and Ethereum, because he's triché.
01:04:54
Speaker
You said one single, but personally, I have Ethereum and Bitcoin.
01:04:59
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I have a thing with 100$ on the side, but I don't want to go to other things, because for me, it's the two values, and I don't have time to interest them.
01:05:12
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The three people you prefer with which it's the most in the ecosystem,
01:05:16
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I like the maths, the cryptomaths.
01:05:18
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I have to say that I don't have a deep discussion with many people in general.
01:05:21
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It's a small discussion that I don't know very deeply the people.
01:05:25
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There was a guy called Rao Galri who is not too late at the moment, but I think he had to work with people who had to work.
01:05:33
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So we were talking about it at the time.
01:05:36
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We often do on Twitter groups of artists and we had a group who was very active and who was not at all today, but at 80% of them it was part.
01:05:46
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and so we were working well.
01:05:48
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There was also Jeff Rolland, who you know perhaps, he's a French guy.
01:05:51
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We don't speak much today because we're doing a bit of our business from each other, but we also had a good connection, who is French artist.
01:05:59
Speaker
Three people you would dream of having as a collection?
01:06:01
Speaker
Ah, as a collection?
01:06:02
Speaker
I'm already talking to everyone.
01:06:03
Speaker
I'm joking.
01:06:06
Speaker
No, it's not a dream.
01:06:08
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In fact, I would like to be a dream.
01:06:10
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Even if I don't have a connection with him and I don't appreciate the character as a matter of fact, but he would like to buy a little portrait, it would be good for a little boost.
01:06:23
Speaker
Justement, les artistes que j'aime bien, j'aime bien un autre artiste qui s'appelle Oment et Rovan, qui est un artiste d'Amérique latine qui fait des œuvres sur les tons oranges souvent très abstraites.
01:06:32
Speaker
Vu que je l'apprécie beaucoup, s'ils pouvaient m'acheter mon art, ça me donnerait un petit peu de boost aussi, tu vois.
01:06:37
Speaker
Et puis, j'aime bien aussi deux autres artistes, Gap Weiss, que je t'ai dit tout à l'heure, tu connais peut-être pas, mais... et Savet.
01:06:43
Speaker
Et j'ai un doute, je crois qu'ils ont mes œuvres, mais je suis pas sûr.
01:06:47
Speaker
Donc s'ils les ont pas, ça serait cool qu'ils les achètent.
01:06:49
Speaker
Ça serait cool.
01:06:51
Speaker
One thing that people online don't know about you.
01:06:55
Speaker
Ah, I've already done a post like that, something you don't know about me.
01:06:57
Speaker
What's something you haven't put in your post?
01:07:01
Speaker
I don't know if I was told you, sorry to go into detail, but it's about how to succeed in the ecosystem, in all of the new ones, for the next bull.
01:07:12
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it's to keep money and invest.
01:07:14
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For me, it's what I did in all of a sudden.
01:07:16
Speaker
I had a little bit of a relationship with the money and I had a little bit of a problem.
01:07:20
Speaker
I didn't have it before, I have now, but I have no more fear.
01:07:24
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So I invest in the immobilier here, in the bourse, I have plenty of things to do next to not have to depend on my market.
01:07:32
Speaker
So it's important for my equilibrium, to say if I don't sell it, it's not a problem, I have a lot of revenue to do.
01:07:39
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And so the money I gained, I don't know if people know it, I've already said it, the money I gained in the bull market I invested, I bought three apartments here where I live and it allows me to buy all year, well, in season, but all year.
01:07:53
Speaker
I have a little money that rent, I pay my courses, I pay what I have to pay, and so I don't have a lot of money, it's not very grave.
01:07:58
Speaker
It doesn't pay me anymore, I try to work on it for just to have
01:08:33
Speaker
So that's what I do at Cotefi.
01:08:36
Speaker
That's good.
01:08:37
Speaker
How do you manage the royalties?
01:08:41
Speaker
Do you always do it?
01:08:43
Speaker
Do you always do it?
01:08:43
Speaker
Do you always do it?
01:08:44
Speaker
Do you always change your strategy?
01:08:46
Speaker
I never did it.
01:08:47
Speaker
It was a pleasure when I did it.
01:08:50
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Because it was money without anything to do.
01:08:53
Speaker
But I made a croix dessus for a long time.
01:08:54
Speaker
Since it's been reversed and since the beer, because there was a little less of a second time in the beer market.
01:09:03
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So for a little more than a year, I don't really care about what I touch.
01:09:08
Speaker
I always look at my second-stay because it makes me pleasure to see that people make a benefit.
01:09:12
Speaker
But to me ask, how much I've been doing on this market, I don't do it at all.
01:09:17
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Yeah, I understand.
Preparing for Bull Market
01:09:18
Speaker
Listen, we'll finish on one question.
01:09:20
Speaker
How do you prepare the bull run that arrives?
01:09:23
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Do you have a particular strategy?
01:09:25
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Do you want to continue how you started?
01:09:28
Speaker
And the question a little bit of a compliment, it's... There's something sacred, there's something that you've managed to preserve, you've managed to have a super good balance there.
01:09:38
Speaker
And how do you do, as an artist, you do not to sell your art in a business?
01:09:42
Speaker
You have a double question.
01:09:44
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Yeah, I'll do it again.
01:09:45
Speaker
I'm going to go to a bull market and you have answered the question, I'm going to do the same thing.
01:09:51
Speaker
I'm going to continue to create, I do maybe 3 o'oes per week, something like that in this moment.
01:09:55
Speaker
So I'm going to continue this rhythm-là, I'm going to continue to find projects, always looking for me to improve.
01:10:04
Speaker
I think that this question will be answered a little bit too, as soon as you can do bull market.
01:10:10
Speaker
So at the beginning I'm going to be what I'm doing today, I'm going to do the same thing.
01:10:13
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And then I'm going to adapt, like I always do.
01:10:15
Speaker
I'm
Challenges in the MetaDeao Project
01:10:16
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going to take opportunities to take, if they're good to take, because they're not all good to take during the bull market, just to not sell the image, to make a double response.
01:10:27
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And then, I had a project like that, I don't know if it's not my image, but it's not to me to tell you, because people are still there, so maybe not so much.
01:10:36
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but I made a project in 2021, I think, or in 2022.
01:10:38
Speaker
It was called MetaDeao.
01:10:40
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It was on a platform where I made all the art on small areas where I made my art on it.
01:10:45
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It was generative.
01:10:45
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There was a project that I contacted for it.
01:10:48
Speaker
I learned my erreur, but I didn't really find out who it was.
01:10:51
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I could see if I could
01:11:01
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if it were serious or other people.
01:11:04
Speaker
So I started working on the project and I was given a lot of money because I was paid as an artist.
01:11:09
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And then they started at the end of my drawing, saying, we'll do this, we'll change the supply and we'll pay 50% of money in less.
01:11:18
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and because there was less, I said, okay, it wasn't what was planned, but let's say, I didn't make it for money, so it's not a problem.
01:11:25
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And then, we arrived
Transparency and Authenticity
01:11:26
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at the end where they had completely hacked the community, so there was a million people on Discord, and they were left.
01:11:31
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They told me, in fact, that the myth was not passed, I don't know what it was, they had to take, I don't know, I think it was 10% of the ventes.
01:11:40
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They took 10%, they were left.
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They said, let's go to the project.
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I was found with a nervous community who didn't understand.
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And I was like, I'm artist.
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So I was there, but I tried to save the noble one a little bit, in bringing people on my Discord, saying I don't offer this.
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I don't know what I had to do exactly.
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But I wasn't really good.
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That made me feel like a stress.
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I'm not a fault.
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Even if my fault was not to be able to research.
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I don't know how I would do it, but not to research on the project.
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I made confidence in people who wanted to make a project a little bit.
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And then it was a thing that would have been my image.
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But because I had a collection of collectors who believed in me and knew me because I was transparent on who I was at the beginning, many of them were supported in saying that they were not a fault.
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So it's more those who didn't know me about this project.
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The transparency, it
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
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was a lot.
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And even today,
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to not show that you do business, we come back to artists who do that posts with the price and say, buy your art.
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And those who will tell you an story, who will be there saying, today I'm going to take my dog, etc.
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Is that you're a dog?
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I'm not kidding, but it's showing who you are, really, and showing that you're a human, that you're not just there for money.
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And that's not just a facade, it's a reality.
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When you post it, it's a real thing.
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When I post it, when I post it, or my dog, or my dog, or I don't know what,
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It's honest, it's not a photo for engagement.
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So I think it contributes to being a good artist.
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Even if you can be a very good artist in being anonymous, it doesn't make sense.
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But you have to be close to your community.
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You have to show you how you're doing well.
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Yeah, we can stop on these beautiful words, I think.
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First of all, thank you for listening to us.
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Thank you very much for connecting us to these episodes.
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I would like to say sincerely, and it comes from the heart, to go see what 8projects does.
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He has great things already released and I know there are more things that might be released later.
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For knowing everything he says is real.
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His collectioners are there, his art is there for doing great things and at long term.
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So, go to see what they prepare.
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Don't forget to come see us on Discord, because it's a central podcast podcast who can help you.
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If you want to know more, come to 8project.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much.
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I've been very much in this format discussion podcast.
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It's very fluid, very natural.
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And thank you also to all those who have listened and who are listening to the podcast.
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It's important for you.
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It's important for you.
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And I hope you'll explode with a little bit in your arms.
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I think you'll have a beautiful person on your own.
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Carrément.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for the support.
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It's a pleasure.
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I'm sorry.
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I'll see you next time, everyone.
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I'll see you next time.
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Ciao.
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Take it to the ball we have experience.