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Corentin Cadieu, from a 6 figure job to working in DAOs full time
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Meet Corentin Cadieu, AKA Cox, the man who was already part of DAOs in 2016 before they became cool, he was part of the Uniswap DAO in 2018 among others and he has become an expert in governance and decentralization.
In this episode, we'll be exploring decentralization, crypto, blockchain, and web3.
Corentin talks about the current market volatility, the importance of vetting web3 projects and explores the potential of DAOs for a shift towards virtuous capitalism. He has also some words For Sam Bankman-Fried and the FTX crash. Interesting fact : He also fumbled a Bored Ape Yacht Club.
He is the founder and CEO of https://www.0xlabs.tech/, a company that helps web3 projects looking for funding and DAOs to be structured.
Find Corentin here:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/corentincadieu/
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Transcript
Introduction to DAOs and Decentralization
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Welcome to the Polymath Experience.
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It's really cool to have you.
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I'm super excited about this conversation.
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So we met a few weeks ago, got to talking because, well,
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I have a DAO, you help DAOs in many, many ways.
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But it's not even the thing that comes back.
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I love that conversation because one, you and I, we share the same passion for all of this and we care about decentralization so much.
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And before we even jump into all the decentralization stuff, because I know it's coming and I know it's going to be great.
Crypto Market Trends and Builder Sentiment
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We're at a very, very interesting time.
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moment in time right now for uh crypto web 3 blockchain decentralization as a whole because 2022 was uh a shit show uh i don't even know if i swear words on swear words on this podcast anymore but it's okay five two verse six
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How do you feel about the market right now?
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How do you feel about where we are right now?
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Do we recover?
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Where do we go from here?
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What's happening?
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Yeah.
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So first, several things a lot for the event.
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So invitation, Polymas.
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I'm from France, as you can say, with my accent.
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So I'll try my best with my French accent.
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Glad to be on your podcast.
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Thanks for the invitation.
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Glad to see my favorite Clonix again.
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So at the time we were speaking, we were
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who are just experiencing a small, tiny bull run upward movement from the market.
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But yeah, we are really at the bottom of the market right now.
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The difference between this bear market and the bear market that we experienced in 2018, for example, is that I think on the builder side, people are less in a disbelief or less in a movement, you know, when they are really anxious and everything.
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They do know.
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So people who are actually...
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on actively participating in the web free space so that it's already too big to fail.
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Am I too bullish saying that?
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But all the smart money, like the VC on the banks, on the governments
Infrastructure and Tools for DAOs and Web3
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are into it.
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This is the main difference between right now and 2018.
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So on the builder side, there is a lot, lot of really cool projects being built right now.
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The last bull market,
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last year gave DAOs on all the other topics of Web3 a lot of infrastructure on tooling that are necessary to go from level one to level two.
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So yeah, quite excited on the builder side.
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Then on the investor side, it's a bit more difficult because VCs on private equity funds right now are like sunflowers on a bit toward the IA, artificial intelligence.
Venture Capital Focus and Strategies in Web3
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On all the deep tech funds, all the LPs are basically people who are not that much into the Web3 ecosystem right now.
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Because of the volatility, those guys are a bit anxious about the markets.
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So it will take a bit of time for them to come back.
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Then, of course, there is a lot of blockchain native funds as well.
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So I'm speaking right now about the deep tech funds.
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that are the more powerful ones on the market.
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But we don't have to forget that there is more than 1,300 blockchain first native funds in the world.
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So if you're a builder right now... I didn't know that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There is a lot of people for a small cake.
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So this is a chance for builders actually because
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It's the VCs, the blockchain-native VCs that are looking for entrepreneurs in order to be the first one on the deal.
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I've got a small tip for builders.
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If they change their bio on LinkedIn on working on something new and then three dots, this actually is one of the keywords VCs are looking for.
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Three dots?
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Yeah, working on something new and then...
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Oh, that's really cool.
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How did you know that?
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How did you find that?
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I know a lot of VCs.
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I went to a conference of one of them, Jean-Laurent Brouchard, that is the VC in charge of Kim Aventure in France, the most active VC in Europe.
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And he was explaining that.
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There is so many VCs that they just want to be the first one reaching to the interesting entrepreneur.
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Yeah, of course.
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Do you have any idea like the value those 380 funds represent the AUM they have?
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No, no total.
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It's 1,300.
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Yeah, that would be so interesting.
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Yeah, I don't have any feelings about it.
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Oh, 1,300.
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My bad.
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My bad.
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Yeah, it's really interesting because there's...
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There definitely is.
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I mean, it's one of the biggest skills that is needed still to this day in this industry is developers.
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And you can have as many founders as you want.
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If you don't have the development power to build the infrastructure, it's going to be tricky.
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And
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we're still in a, it's still the wild, wild west out there.
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There are still so many projects and not a lot of like serious businesses, people who, who have, because I think, I think what might've happened is,
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A lot of people jumped from who weren't quite successful in Web2 jumped to Web3 and thought, it's so crazy.
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There's so much capital.
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I'm pretty sure I can just launch an NFT collection or a token.
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And it's definitely going to pump.
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I'm going to find like 10,000 people who are going to invest.
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And they end up in disbelief because it's not that easy.
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But it's hard to even...
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I mean, I've been around a little bit as well, and there's still so much noise.
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It's still hard to catch a real good project early.
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We can talk about DAOs, we can talk about everything else, because I'm pretty sure with your traditional finance background, you could talk about the whole thing.
Evaluating Web3 Projects and Anonymous Contributions
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How do you, if you catch a project early,
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How do you vet it?
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How do you personally look at a project that is Web3, supposedly decentralized, and how do you say, all right, these guys are going to make it, these guys are not?
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Wow, this is a one billion question.
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I look at the core team, the builder reputation in the space.
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Are there self-taired experts coming out of nowhere?
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Are there truly people who have a deep understanding of the space?
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And I look, of course, of the previous achievement of those people.
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And then I look at the quality of their contributors.
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If it's a decentralized community, I look at...
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who is part of their organization, who is looking at what they are doing.
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Super interesting.
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On the first part, because being anonymous is a big thing in Web3.
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I like it, as you can tell.
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I think it's very powerful because I think it takes away spotlight from the founder and put it on the project, which I think is really good.
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It's really tricky because how does it work?
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How do you check the track record of someone who is Anon?
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Do you think the Anon thing will remain a thing in the future?
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Or do you think people will have to prove?
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Because the whole...
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cycle of VC to anon founder to the public and you see all the funds, you see all the marketing and then you invest, it doesn't build trust.
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I don't think that's the future of Web3.
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How would you personally see this?
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Super interesting thing.
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I'd say you can still stay anon
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I have a track record.
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So some tools are made for this.
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If we take the example of Degen.score, I'm not sure.
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Are you familiar with it?
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No, I'm not.
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It's a tool.
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So it's based on your on-chain activity, right?
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On the transaction you've made with your wallet.
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That is your identity on the blockchain, right?
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The more difficult airdrop you add, like Optimism airdrop, that was pretty hard to get.
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or the more ICOs on blue chip coins or blue chip NFTs you add, the more your DeGene score is high.
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So this truly is a reputation builder on a tool that you can use while staying anon.
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This kind of solution can truly be... That's really cool.
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Yeah, this is really a great solution, DeGene score.
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I'd only thought of it in terms of social because I'm more of a human based person.
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Like I like having a conversation and my intuition will say, but obviously it's hard to do if someone wants to say anonymous, I'd never really thought of it as well.
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The track record that you have on the chain can be proof.
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Do you think it's enough or do you think it's, it should need more?
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And if so, what, what do you think it should need?
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Of course, it's not enough, but it can give you a first understanding of the deep expertise someone can have on this or that topic.
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If, for example, this person was a huge contributor of MakerDAO or, I don't know, Uniswap, then you can trust that guy.
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I don't know, maybe the treasury management of DAO, if he was in charge of this or...
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the community side.
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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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And even like we're still very early on.
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So even if it's if you're not a huge contributor and a huge project, but if you if you start like leaving pieces of, you know, like bits of contributions here and there and and you're active in this or that community, it doesn't matter much right now because we're too early on because
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even I wouldn't know how many like real businesses there are.
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There aren't that many.
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But in five or 10 or 15 years, then this will work.
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You know what?
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Let's jump into the DAO
Journey into Web3 and DAO Involvement
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stuff.
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Because you have such a... I was absolutely impressed when you started telling me about yourself and your track record in crypto, because we got in at about the same time five years ago.
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in 2017, but my personal part of the journey was go all in, uh, ICOs, ICOs, ICOs, money, money, money, like completely sucked into the, um, the, the bull market for, for eight months or something.
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Um, looked at some of the tech, but not much.
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And then when things started going down in 2018, then I really started to dig in.
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And it took me like five years, four years to maybe really know what DAOs were about.
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But you were an early contributor in Uniswap.
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If I'm not making a mistake, you were an early contributor in MakerDAO.
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And let's take this opportunity to really like go back a little bit on your journey, how you ended up in Web3, how you ended up in DAOs.
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And if you get off track, it's okay.
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I'll come back and I'll ask those questions again.
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So I'm coming from a small town in the suburb of Paris and I have deep connections with my friends that were with me when I was six years old.
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And I stayed with friends with those guys that are twins.
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In 2013, those guys put all their... So when you're studying, you have to take loans, okay?
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And they took all their study loans and they put it on Bitcoin.
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We were just thinking those guys were completely crazy and it went quite well for them.
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And so it's thanks to those guys that have been introduced to blockchain quite early on to crypto because I saw the opportunity of it.
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Not because I was familiar with the tech, but because I saw the opportunity of making money.
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I want to be clear on that point.
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I wasn't a tech guy at the time.
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I just had the chance to have two friends, real close friends who...
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who made millions back then, who introduced me to the crypto space quite early.
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So it took me a while.
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So I arrived in 2016.
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And since I arrived in the space, I spent my whole days digging the space.
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I was super into it, super interested in all the aspects of it.
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So first, on a more philosophical point of view, this is where I met DAOs at the time, the DAO.
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That was one of the first iterations of DAOs.
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So some people say Bitcoin on Dash are the first iteration of DAOs, but the first project naming it was ZDAO in 2016.
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And it made a lot of buzz at the time.
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This is how I've been introduced to it.
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Digging more into that space, so Maker was making its funding proposal at the time.
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So it's the moment where DAO is deciding on their value.
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So it's a huge
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It's a really important process in the DAO deciding their identity.
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So I arrived at that moment.
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Then I got interested in more DAOs.
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So Aragon, the DAO tooling quite early, Uniswap, that is the more powerful DAO right now.
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So first it was those big DAOs.
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And then we saw an explosion in terms of DAOs, on a variety of DAOs.
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Since then, I've been in up to 100 DAOs.
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On the same time, it's always 5 to 10 DAOs, no more.
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I know that Koopa Troopa is working on 40 DAOs at the same time, but I can't do that.
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I've been in DAO since then, from decentralizing the access of space with MoonDAO to...
Innovative DAO Business Models
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Self-development DAOs to DAOs in order to make honey with bees to vertical farms DAOs.
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That's insane.
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Okay, what's the weirdest but best executed business model that you've seen for DAOs?
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Because that was one of the questions that I was thinking about.
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There was the DAO buzzword phase where everyone was launching a DAO, where every project was launching one.
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Because I think that people understand there are good values behind a DAO.
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It kind of...
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Inherently means that you want to build something that belongs to the people who make it up.
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But when you get into it, you get in through that promise.
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But it doesn't always happen like that.
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Because we say, hey, there's blockchain, so there's transparency, so you'll know.
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But there's still ways to manipulate data and to do pretty much whatever we want.
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And so in all of this, you're mentioning some pretty interesting use cases.
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What's the weirdest, coolest DAO business model that you've seen?
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I think about the weirdest, but one of the coolest I've seen recently is all the DAOs in the refri ecosystem.
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So the impact on DAOs, you make an action good for the planet or for the animals, and you're being incentivized for that.
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Not only with DAOs,
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with money but so maybe the refi DAOs are the one where the reputation is the most important because people are so grateful towards people who are acting in a good side for the planet so so those DAOs are working how does that work puzzle planet for example is by taking photos of all the actions you can do some other ones are working with trust so those are really
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cool DAOs, new way of doing things and it's working really well.
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The learn to earn vibes is something I'm following a lot as well because right now we have to spread education about DAOs.
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So everybody in the space knows about NFT on Metaverse because it's so sexy, but they don't have any... They know about DAOs, but they don't know how much it's real right now.
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So there is a lot of work to do on the education side.
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There is a lot of projects that are educational projects around DAOs on blockchain.
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And all their batch of students are DAO.
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They are using all the things they are seeing in classes, like NFTs, tokens, right of vote, etc.
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in the batch because it's...
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intern economy for the school.
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So this is
Economic Benefits and Scalability of DAOs
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super cool.
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That's really cool.
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It gets me wondering, I mean, I'm obviously very interested into the educational side because I've told you a little bit about the future of my project, JPEGVOL and Project Magenta that we've started to talk about.
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And education is definitely a core concept of it because it's really important.
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I think the learning curve...
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If you want to buy crypto, the learning curve is already pretty high because there is so much information.
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You need to realize who you are as an investor, what types of investors suit you.
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You have to make a lot of mistakes because no one gets good at investing before.
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before hurting yourself a little bit and losing some money.
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But if you want to get involved into the space, it's a whole other ballgame because it's even if you're experienced in business, you have people who have a lot of web to experience, a lot of business experience, and they get into the space and they're
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They're still smart and they still understand the general dynamics, but it's such a huge shift of paradigm that they end up pretty lost and not really knowing how to address this.
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And so I think there's a real responsibility for the people who are at the top of their learning curve to kind of mentor and help the people who are coming up.
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And I really care about this.
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And I know that my co-founders and team really care about this as well.
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How does such a business model work?
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It can be refi.
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It can be the educational.
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Because if you have money coming out, you need to have money coming in.
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And so how are those?
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I'm really interested into refi because I saw it come.
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I read a couple articles.
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My friend who's not in Web3 told me about it and told me he's interested about it.
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And I've been trying to get him into Web3 for years.
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So...
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That's his way of entry.
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How does it work?
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Like if you get paid for posting a picture showing that you've done a good action, where does the money come from?
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Depends on the business model of the of the refi DAO.
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But the money can come from grants from the city, state or government.
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It can come from private companies that have a will to...
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to act responsibly for the planet.
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It's like a classic NGO.
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But as other business acting as a DAO, the power of it is that it can be 10 times more powerful when it's growing.
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Just to go a bit more on the subject, really one of the main reasons why people are building DAOs is because they understood that it's 10 times more scalable than a classic company.
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People get incentivized so well and they really have
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a power of decision on the business that they work not 10 times more, but all their work has 10 times more impact.
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And this justifies the fact that a lot of contributors of DAOs are earning more than $10,000 a month compared to traditional workers in a traditional company.
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because their work have so much impact on the business.
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We can say that last year or 2020 were the first experimental years of DAOs, but it's already, nowadays, a $10 billion business globally.
Growth Potential and Compensation in DAOs
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So this really shows the power of acting with the wisdom of crowd in a company.
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Everything is going 10 times more fast.
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You are of the skill set you need in your company so you don't have to scout or reach to people in order to hire them.
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So everything is going 10 times faster.
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All the decisions are made 10 times better because of the wisdom of crowd.
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So when they will have no friction in the way that these companies are working, maybe I'm not that objective, or maybe a bit too enthusiastic, but I'm sure they will be unstoppable because...
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Like, come on, it's already a $10 billion market.
00:21:02
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The book market is only $6 billion.
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It has been there for 2000 years.
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That's insane.
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And it's already like, it's what, five years in.
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It's insane.
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Okay, there's so much to unpack.
00:21:12
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How does someone make 10K a month by working in a DAO?
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I know you've said this on other podcasts and I didn't listen because I just wanted to get the answer straight from you.
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What DAOs, what do people need to do in order to really make a good living?
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So 12% of DAO contributors are making more than 10,000k a month.
00:21:35
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So this is huge.
00:21:37
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Why?
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Because some people have just the specific skills that DAO needs in order to
00:21:44
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to work because those companies can really quickly have a huge treasury.
00:21:49
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They are incentivizing their contractor so well.
00:21:52
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And there is no, like in a classic company, just in order to organize my thoughts, in a classic company, the mass of people is there with only small wages.
00:22:02
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Everything is given to the boss.
00:22:04
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In DAO, it's better split between the core contributor.
00:22:09
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So that's one thing.
00:22:10
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In order to illustrate this, last week, the Uniswap core team gave an Excel spreadsheet.
00:22:17
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So on their Twitter, they posted an Excel spreadsheet.
00:22:22
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With all the costs in total transparency, the Uniswap DAO will have next year.
00:22:27
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And you can see that some of their co-contributors are earning up to 500k a year.
00:22:34
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This is not even enough for those people who are really bringing the protocol to life.
00:22:40
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So what do they do?
00:22:41
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What do those people do, those contributors?
00:22:44
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Who makes so much?
00:22:45
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They can be in charge of the strategy side of the companies.
00:22:48
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They can be in charge of the development of this or that sub-DAO, sub-project of the DAO.
00:22:53
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The main job contributor in the DAO are doing is community management, right?
00:22:58
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On organizing the crowds.
00:23:01
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And those guys, because they're so important, are earning a lot.
00:23:04
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Some of them who are working on giving the core teams good information from one of the best and most important sub-DAOs of the DAO.
00:23:13
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can earn ridiculous amount of money amounts.
00:23:16
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That actually leads... Yeah.
00:23:19
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I was going to say that actually leads to a question that I've been wondering for myself.
00:23:25
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In traditional business, the way salaries and retributions are structured is quite simple because you have stakeholders and, I mean, stock owners and the people who run the business who basically try to
00:23:41
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take as much value as possible.
00:23:43
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They try to optimize, try to cut costs wherever they can in order to optimize productivity and profit.
00:23:50
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So it's pretty simple.
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You basically just pay yourself as much as possible and you give away as much as possible to the stock owners.
00:23:58
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It's literally in the law in the US, for example.
00:24:01
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And the CEOs and the C-suit and the higher suit executives
00:24:08
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kind of make as much as is possible while being between the stock owners and the employees.
00:24:16
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Employees get the minimum of the rest.
00:24:17
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So how do you find the right balance?
00:24:20
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I've been wondering this for myself, like when our business blows up and we start making a lot of money, how do we decide how much money
00:24:32
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should the team get paid the people who are contributing the most and how much should be, uh, decentralized, uh, or like given away to, to contributors and how also, because it's value, it's, it's a question of price.
00:24:46
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And so how, and how do you value someone who's a moderator?
00:24:51
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How do you value someone who creates content?
00:24:53
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How do you value all of this?
00:24:55
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How do you value Dow contributions basically?
00:24:57
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Yeah.
00:24:57
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Well, that's a, that's a tough question.
00:24:59
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Um,
00:25:01
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That's funny because I was speaking about it with some clients of mine yesterday.
00:25:06
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They just created a DAO.
00:25:07
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So they just went decentralized.
00:25:09
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They were asking me, the ex-CEO in charge of the strategy part of the DAO was asking me, how much should I pay myself right now?
00:25:19
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Yeah, it's an important question.
00:25:21
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Yeah, how much can I ask from the treasury of the DAOs in order to pay myself as an ex-CEO on the DAO?
00:25:29
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coach him right now in charge of the strategy of the Dell.
00:25:32
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What did you say?
00:25:35
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I just...
00:25:37
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told him this can be subject to vote.
00:25:40
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Like you can vote this with your community in total transparency saying, okay, so what is my value?
00:25:47
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Like if I was, if tomorrow I'm leaving the DAO, will it still work?
00:25:51
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Then what do you think is my value in the DAO?
00:25:54
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Doing this, you won't have a clear answer, of course.
00:25:58
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Right now what is happening is that
00:26:00
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There is a kind of grid, a kind of sheet, a grid, a salary grid.
00:26:07
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Salary grid that is existing right now based on the size of a DAO.
00:26:12
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A community manager in the DAO would be legit to take that much money amount, everything.
00:26:18
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But this is because it's still brand new.
00:26:22
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There isn't any proper process to do this.
00:26:25
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But I'm sure that really well, really well, and maybe in
00:26:30
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In less than one year, the host will have a response for that.
00:26:33
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As in a company, how does the head of Google or the head of Facebook choose to be paid $1 million a year?
00:26:42
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This will be in discussion.
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I think they will...
00:26:45
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have much improvement on this topic in the coming year.
00:26:49
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I want to add something.
Mature DAO Ecosystem and Choosing DAOs
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There is so much people working for DAOs right now.
00:26:55
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It's being so real that it's a new way of working, that there is a new tool as Utopia, for example, that is providing DAO contributors with retirement plans, medical insurance plans, everything like classic companies in a company.
00:27:13
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And this really shows we are beginning to be at a state of maturity where DAO contributors can even have such things as social insurance.
00:27:24
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That's really cool.
00:27:25
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It really goes to show that we, you were saying this earlier in the conversation, that we're maturing and people have more trust in the ecosystem as a whole.
00:27:38
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And we can see that the scale of what happened last year
00:27:43
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should have made us go to zero.
00:27:46
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We should be at like Bitcoin at 3K and Ethereum at like $200.
00:27:51
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But we're still at decent prices considering the catastrophes that we live.
00:27:57
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And yeah, the fact that you're starting to see such one, opportunities for contributors and two, those types of benefits.
00:28:06
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I didn't know that Utopia existed.
00:28:07
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This is very interesting.
00:28:08
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I'm definitely going to reach out to them.
00:28:10
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Yeah.
00:28:12
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What is if someone was like, listen to this conversation, loves what you're saying.
00:28:17
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And it's like, okay, this is something that's interesting for me.
00:28:20
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What type of a DAO should they be looking at?
00:28:23
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What DAO should they be looking at?
00:28:25
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And what are the skills that are looked for right now?
00:28:29
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We've started to answer this, but anyway.
00:28:31
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So the first question, sorry again, is how should someone choose the DAO they want to be part of?
00:28:38
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Yeah, or what DAOs come to mind for you that you know are offering opportunities to earn a living right now?
00:28:48
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To respond to the previous question, there is existing job sites, websites, where I will give you maybe the website so you can list them.
00:29:00
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This could be a good way for a contributor or someone who wants to be part of a DAO and make a living of the DAOs that are looking to reward contributors.
00:29:10
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But I'd say the best way to do things is just like in a theater club, sports club,
00:29:17
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book club, just knock on the door, go in the discord of DAO that really fits your personality.
00:29:23
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Not only the aim of the DAO fitting your purpose, but as well the mood into the DAO.
00:29:28
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So if you belong well to a DAO, you will spend a lot of time working for that DAO.
00:29:33
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And if things go well, they will start paying you for it and you will make a living of it.
00:29:38
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So DAO, in that way, best way for someone who wants to quit IS-95, gradually,
00:29:46
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on a work on a topic that he's passionate about, it can be a really cool exit for starting some freelancing as a contributor for DAO.
00:29:57
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What was the second question again?
00:29:58
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What types of skills are looked for that you know currently DAOs are looking for?
00:30:05
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Every type of skill is looked for in a DAO.
00:30:08
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So the number one skill looked for is community management because, of course, our brain is only capable of having 150 relations.
00:30:18
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After speaking with 150 people, our brain is totally overwhelmed, confused.
00:30:23
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Imagine a DAO with 30,000 people, which you will need.
00:30:27
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groups of people in sub DAOs or in groups made with the skills of the people in order to organize all those people together.
00:30:35
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You will need coordinators and community managers in order to educate and activate your main contributors.
00:30:41
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So this is the most needed skills for DAOs.
00:30:46
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And then you have, they need a dev, smart contract, full stack, as well as designers, as well as a,
00:30:53
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People, finance guy, marketing, communication.
00:30:57
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So all the skills.
00:30:58
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I think basically you can have all the spectrum of the existing job can be needed for DAO.
00:31:07
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Even scientists, even more manual jobs.
00:31:09
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This
Decentralized Business Models and Traditional Governance
00:31:10
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is interesting.
00:31:10
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I've been working for DAO that wants to be
00:31:13
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decentralized ring manufacturer.
00:31:16
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I don't know if we say that in English, but they are making ring on necklace, luxurious ones, and they want to be decentralized.
00:31:24
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So those guys need a lot of artisans.
00:31:27
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Yeah, artisans.
00:31:29
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I think the word... Yeah, I think it works in English as well.
00:31:33
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Yeah, jewelry makers.
00:31:36
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Jewelry makers.
00:31:37
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They need a lot of people who actually can work with their hands, even if the organization is decentralized.
00:31:44
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So yeah, the spectrum is...
00:31:48
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Insane.
00:31:49
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How, okay.
00:31:51
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How does it work?
00:31:52
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How does this specific business model work in a decentralized manner?
00:31:56
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Who makes the decisions?
00:31:57
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Who makes what decisions?
00:31:59
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Who's in charge of the creative direction?
00:32:01
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Who's in charge of quality control?
00:32:04
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Like how does this, because in DAOs, and it actually leads into one of the questions that I had that I'll keep her in a little bit, but
00:32:13
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How would that work?
00:32:14
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Super cool to speak more deeply about this particular DAO.
00:32:19
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So the guy... What is it called?
00:32:21
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The name of the DAO isn't out right now.
00:32:24
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The company, maybe you can link it.
00:32:27
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I will give you the name.
00:32:29
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So the guy who had the idea of this DAO has been working in the space for more than 20 years.
00:32:34
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It was hard for him
00:32:35
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to make rings with materials coming from all over the world.
00:32:39
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So he had this idea, crafting things with a decentralized organization.
00:32:43
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So the way it's working, so I'm working, I'm helping them being a DAO.
00:32:47
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It's not a DAO right now, but it will soon be one.
00:32:50
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The way it will be working is they will
00:32:54
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decide on the products they want to make together.
00:32:58
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So imagine the five rings of the year 2023 they want to make.
00:33:02
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They will recruit the craftsmen, so the jewelry maker from all the countries they need for the materials.
00:33:10
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So imagine for a ring, they need a diamond from Africa, Central Africa.
00:33:18
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And then for the diamond to be in place, they need special material coming from Asia.
00:33:23
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In Africa, they will have one contributor working on a diamond.
00:33:28
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Then in China, they will have this guy making a specific clip in order for the diamond to be on the ring.
00:33:34
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And then everything will be shipped in another place where a contributor will put all the things together.
00:33:39
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And then they will get the ring.
00:33:41
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And then all the revenue of the sale of the jewelry will be split between the different contributors.
00:33:47
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This is a super clever way to do things.
00:33:49
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And I hope this kind of decentralization in a craft work will be spread to other stuff as a woodworkers, clothes, clothes, everything.
00:34:00
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Yeah, that's super exciting.
00:34:01
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Yeah, it's, this is literally, okay, not literally because I'd never, I haven't thought that much about jewelry making per se, but the value creation process is one of those things
00:34:18
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that Amazon is for me a perfect anti-example because they are so good at processes.
00:34:26
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They have optimized every single little thing from the beginning to the end.
00:34:31
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And because they are so good and they manage to basically, they're so important and they're so powerful because they capture the attention,
00:34:43
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that they're capable of saying, hey, you're only going to be making five bucks for this.
00:34:48
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But in a decentralized manner, by using those technologies for transparencies, for accountability, my hope five years ago when I started getting into it after that infamous bull market was that we would take those processes and we take those systems
00:35:06
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this optimization and then we would put it in a decentralized manner so that every person along the value creation process will earn as much as they're owed something that is very decentralized.
00:35:20
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And so seeing, like hearing this for me is really amazing.
00:35:25
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I didn't know that existed.
00:35:29
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Do you think that DAOs will represent a majority of how organizations are built in
00:35:36
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like 50 years or 100 years?
00:35:37
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You're giving me goosebumps.
00:35:39
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This is my dream.
00:35:41
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I'm asking myself this question every day.
00:35:43
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Will it be fully decentralized?
00:35:45
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Will it be a mix between the actual way things are working on things taken from the web free space?
00:35:51
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This I don't know.
00:35:53
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What I do know is that up to beginning of this year, every DAOs was a company, so tech company,
00:36:00
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on the web free native companies.
00:36:03
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Right now we're seeing use cases of DAO that has nothing to do with tech as zoos, jewelry maker, as I said, schools, other stuff.
00:36:13
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So it's expanded outside the web free space.
00:36:18
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I do have an uncle that is working for a big bank in Europe.
00:36:22
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They had a training on DAOs in the bank.
00:36:26
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I spoke with big companies
00:36:30
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that are actively thinking about redesigning their governance system.
00:36:35
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Because, come on, the way it's done nowadays, shareholders in the board of shareholders are giving a paper to someone with all the instructions being said in the meeting.
00:36:48
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And then this paper is given to the CEO, who is giving it to the managers and then to the workers.
00:36:53
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this has been like this for, I don't know, since the Industrial Revolution.
00:36:59
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This is not up to date for the internet world.
00:37:04
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This is where Dao's truly have something in order to make those governance evolve.
00:37:09
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I'm really excited to see
00:37:10
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where things will go.
00:37:11
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But I have clients from a variety of landscape that is crazy right now.
00:37:16
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I told you those, you will be maker, people who are raising shrooms, people who are doing permaculture, people who are doing vertical farms.
00:37:23
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This is so exciting.
00:37:25
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It's so exciting because it's like the story arc of Web3 is absolutely perfect because the value creators, the value extractors got fucked last year, basically.
00:37:37
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3ac, FTX, like all of those people that were now obviously not here to provide value, but here to get as much as they want.
00:37:48
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Like, I'm so glad.
00:37:50
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I mean, I have no hate for anyone.
00:37:52
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I don't wish any ill to anyone, any bad things.
00:37:55
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I'm really kind of happy for the world that what happened to SBF happened to SBF because it's
00:38:02
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his pretense of being selfless and a philanthropist and making all of this money so he could give it away.
00:38:11
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And then it turns out that he's just like just a kid that thought that he could do whatever and take everything and just really, really shady guy.
00:38:22
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And so now you have the villains.
00:38:26
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that are obvious and it actually gives room to people like us who like we care about this.
00:38:34
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We actually are building this and we understand that society functions as a whole and not based on individualism.
Impact of Decentralization on Global Economics
00:38:41
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It's, you should try to make a living for yourself and you should try to make money and you should try to provide for you and your close ones and your family.
00:38:50
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But if you,
00:38:51
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your winning results in someone else losing, then you haven't really won.
00:38:56
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And it's not even just philosophical.
00:38:58
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It's, it's, it's, I don't know.
00:39:00
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I don't even know.
00:39:01
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I mean, I get, I get a little bit excited on, on, on, what I'm telling myself is when people will, will come at my funerals, this is maybe too deep, but, uh, I just want to, so it will be horrible if people were just like, okay, uh, in the balance, uh, he made a lot of money, but he made lose a lot of money as well.
00:39:21
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What I want is people saying because of giving the right contacts to the right person, because helping as much people as he could, he brought value to all those people that were interested in his skills.
00:39:34
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This was just to illustrate what you were saying.
00:39:37
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I think there's more and more of us.
00:39:39
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I think we're starting to realize that
00:39:41
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the way things were i mean that's the hope that's the optimist in me yeah i think a lot more people are starting to realize this and and want to do the same i know that there's a lot of people who are not but it's okay we'll we'll convert them um eventually and what i love about decentralization and that's a slightly other subject but it's or web3 it's that
00:40:05
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With Web3, you don't need to go and work for an NGO and not get paid anything.
00:40:10
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And you don't need to give yourself away in order to do good.
00:40:14
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You can actually do good and still get paid.
00:40:19
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It's still capitalism.
00:40:20
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You're still a participant.
00:40:21
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You're still creating value.
00:40:23
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But instead of creating 100 and keeping 80 for yourself and giving away the minimum 20,
00:40:29
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we're switching it back.
00:40:30
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You're going to get something that is not billions.
00:40:34
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I hope that we see less billionaires in the future or billionaires that use their money less.
00:40:40
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But I like to be that optimistic.
00:40:43
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Yeah, I know.
00:40:44
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I know.
00:40:44
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And I mean, it's not about the money that you have or the net worth that you have.
00:40:49
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If I'm a billionaire in a few years,
00:40:52
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or in a lot of years, I want all of this worth to be in, in, in these types of ecosystems.
00:40:59
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I want to be, I want to have a stake in ecosystems that matter, that have a positive impact in the world and that understand the power of, I think we're going to see a wave and you'll tell me what you think about this, but I think we're going to see a wave like virtual virtuous capitalism or moderate capitalism or fair capitalism.
00:41:18
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Yeah, that was exactly what I wanted to say is that referee is maybe the best alternative to... It's surely, I would say, the best alternative to the existing system we had for...
00:41:33
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for up to hundreds of years.
00:41:36
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I didn't know about this terminology for capitalism.
00:41:40
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We neither.
00:41:41
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Let's invent it.
00:41:42
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Yeah, but this is great.
00:41:45
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I like the idea behind it.
00:41:46
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It's still possible to create as much value as we add with capitalism as it is nowadays.
00:41:52
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But the distribution of revenues behind it, especially in the country that couldn't play the game because they didn't have any internet access or any banking system.
00:42:01
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Now with decentralization,
00:42:04
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they can have access to the game as well and get their share when working.
00:42:08
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But since now, the game was completely unfair.
00:42:10
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And right now, when people are getting loans from Aave, we don't know how many chains we have as people from Western Europe.
00:42:18
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But in Africa, in really poor countries, this for them is so huge.
00:42:23
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It's a huge gift.
00:42:25
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Yeah.
00:42:26
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So this is all thanks to Web3.com.
00:42:29
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I hope it will help redistribute the money between every people in the world.
00:42:35
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And I hope I'm not too optimistic expecting this.
00:42:39
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I think it's good.
00:42:40
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I think it's good to have a healthy dose of optimism and of delusion because otherwise you don't do anything.
00:42:47
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But this obviously resonates a lot with me because what we're trying to do
00:42:52
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Our mission with Project Magenta is literally to bridge the opportunity gap and the wealth gap that goes with it with Web3.
00:43:02
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And I 100% believe that it is feasible and that it is possible.
00:43:06
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And it just comes with people with right intention who have the right skills.
00:43:13
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Because I think that before, the people who wanted to have an impact
00:43:19
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were trying to rebel against the system from outside the system.
00:43:24
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And they wanted to break something that they didn't belong to and that they thought should not be the way that it was.
00:43:32
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And so they were kind of clashing against it.
00:43:36
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Whereas now we're...
00:43:39
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Actually coming in and saying hey capitalism is actually okay.
00:43:43
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It's it's not the worst system Possible it could work, but let's try this slightly different thing where we're still making money.
00:43:52
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We're still generating Profit generating revenue creating value, but we're doing it in a way that actually Gives the people
00:44:04
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who have less power and more of a chance and less of a glass ceiling and they can get in.
00:44:10
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There's no, they don't have to pay hundreds of dollars that they don't have in order to access this.
00:44:15
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Yeah, I think I understand why the people at the top right now might view it as something that is a little bit dangerous, but I think that if they look a little bit closer, they'll see that it's actually good for everyone.
00:44:29
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Don't try to squash it, just invest in it.
00:44:32
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deploy your capital in a way that you're taking advantage of this.
00:44:36
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Just don't buy 50% of supposedly decentralized networks.
00:44:41
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That just won't work.
00:44:42
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What I like about what you just said is that the smart money is truly anxious and is scared about what's happening right now.
00:44:51
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I do think that what we saw happening with WallStreetBets two years ago right now.
00:44:56
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I don't even know.
00:44:57
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Time goes so fast.
00:44:59
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This was such a great example of how
00:45:03
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People, thanks to the wisdom of crowd and thanks to the power of mass, could make a difference in the fight against gigantic hedge funds.
00:45:13
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And for me, this is only the beginning of people noticing and gaining awareness toward the fact that ZEK
00:45:25
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they have the power thanks to internet and thanks to being, uh, connected, uh, all together wherever, wherever we are being isolated anymore.
00:45:33
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Yeah.
00:45:33
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So right.
00:45:34
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I was closely, uh, following this thing with Wall Street bets.
00:45:37
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I was on, on Reddit every night, putting money on, uh, Blackberry, uh, Nokia on, on all those, uh, games.
00:45:46
Speaker
Did you buy GameStop?
00:45:48
Speaker
No, I didn't.
00:45:48
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I didn't.
00:45:49
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So the thing is, uh, we, uh, everybody was on Reddit on, uh,
00:45:53
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everybody was putting names of stocks at the same time.
00:45:58
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You just had to choose your
00:46:00
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your battle, you couldn't put... Yeah, it can be everywhere.
00:46:04
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I remember I was still working at the time with my team in Bordeaux in south of France.
00:46:10
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And we were at the hotel.
00:46:11
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They were waiting for me in order to go have dinner at the restaurant with a client.
00:46:18
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I was just in front of my computer, just watching this live on the market, just realizing how it was powerful.
00:46:28
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Yeah, it was, wow.
00:46:29
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It was so crazy.
00:46:31
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Smart Money followed that with a lot of attention.
00:46:33
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Of course, they're scared of all of this phenomenon.
00:46:36
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And at the same time, it's too big for them.
00:46:38
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It's too big.
00:46:39
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It is too big for them, but if they're actually Smart Money, they should see...
00:46:45
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that power is not inherently good or bad.
00:46:48
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It depends on how you use it.
00:46:50
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And the crowd has it when they realize that they do.
00:46:54
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If you believe in something, if you get enough people to believe that they have the power, like Reddit did for the whole WallStreetBets thing,
00:47:03
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And so if smart money is that smart, they should just realize that decentralization and that Web3 is actually their opportunity to leverage this.
Smart Money and Decentralization Benefits
00:47:17
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Their opportunity to come in and participate in this.
00:47:22
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Yes, you're not going to come in and you're not going to pressure people into buying the majority.
00:47:30
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You're not going to get 80% of a network or 70% of the network.
00:47:35
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And you wouldn't want to.
00:47:37
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You'd want to own the fair number, the fair amount, and to make sure that you...
00:47:45
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Because the least you take, the more other people get.
00:47:48
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And a lot of these people who have skin in the game, who have a stake in it, will then participate in activating the network effect and activating further wisdom of the crowd and getting people in.
00:48:01
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And I think that when everyone wins, then it is truly a win.
00:48:05
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And that's what you're sporting a board at Yacht Club as your profile picture.
00:48:10
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And I think that...
00:48:11
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There are a lot of things around that project.
00:48:14
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And I actually think I want to talk with you a little bit to see what you think.
00:48:17
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But one of the things that they definitely did so well was to...
00:48:22
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make to activate the people who were inside into becoming the biggest brand ambassadors and to they were the most vocal group on twitter for such a long time and they established themselves and they they paste it so well in the in the serum drop and the way the macy uh the the
00:48:44
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the mutants came in and the way the kennels came in.
00:48:47
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And I think that there's a really interesting lesson and a really interesting masterclass in that.
00:48:53
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To speak about this, I will tell you something
00:48:57
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So I rarely speak about this story.
00:48:59
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So I minted my board A directly from the website, and I sold it for 1.3 Ethereum one month later.
00:49:07
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You could see this transaction on OpenSea, actually.
00:49:09
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So I still have it as my Discord profile picture, but I don't have it anymore.
00:49:14
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Oh, that's unfortunate.
00:49:18
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But it happens.
00:49:19
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Yeah, it happens.
00:49:21
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You know what?
00:49:21
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This is the cost of the lesson I learned from it, and it's
00:49:26
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It's an expensive lesson, but as you were saying, at the end, what I do like with that ecosystem, and specifically with Web3, not a traditional stock market, is that there is so much volatility and so much things happening.
00:49:41
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Everything is such an experience.
00:49:42
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Every mistake that you make on every thousand of K euros you're losing is each time a great lesson.
00:49:52
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And this is the way I'm seeing things at the time.
00:49:55
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In order to respond to your question, so after that, I have to say, after this bad experience of mine, I didn't get that much close look to the
00:50:06
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Yuga Labs boarded community.
NFT Market Strategies and Ethical Considerations
00:50:09
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But what they did is truly an amazing work of communications on Yuga Labs buying MiBits and buying all the other cool NFT projects.
00:50:19
Speaker
It really made Yuga Labs a giant in the space of NFTs right now.
00:50:25
Speaker
In beer market right now, we can't really
00:50:29
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see it but I do think that the future for Yuga Labs will be like a big group owning all the blue chip NFT.
00:50:37
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They understood things before anyone else on this explain their success.
00:50:41
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We can talk about their success some more because it's I don't know if you saw there's a class action suit that was just filed I think it was a few days ago by two
00:50:55
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Yeah, it's actually really interesting because I'd heard about some components of this, but it's really hard to dissect and to really know what is hearsay, what is actually true, what is not true, because Web3 is still such a small pot.
00:51:12
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And so you have a lot of interests that go against each other.
00:51:16
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There's still quite a bit of individualism, despite all the good actors that we've been talking about.
00:51:22
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And what this suit says is that I might butcher his name.
00:51:26
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I think it's something O'Leary or Osiri came in as a manager and basically has a lot of a lot of connections.
00:51:34
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And there was a partnership with Moonpay and you had
00:51:38
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Moonpay that was supposedly facilitating the purchase of high value NFTs for people.
00:51:45
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That was part of their business model.
00:51:47
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I think that that's what I read in the lawsuit.
00:51:49
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But what supposedly happened is that instead of facilitating, they were actually buying Bored Apes, giving them away to influencers and then paying the influencers for the marketing without disclosing that it was actually marketing.
00:52:03
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And so
00:52:05
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I do think that Yuga and the Bored Ape team did a lot of things very well, but it's hard not to think that there were shady things, weird things going on.
00:52:18
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I'm not even going to go into the Ryder Rips thing because that's just, I still don't know what to think of that.
00:52:24
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It raises some very interesting questions because those are some, if they are true,
00:52:30
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allegedly, well, I'm not going to, it's not my place to say if I think they are or not, but if there are true
00:52:39
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What do you think of this?
00:52:39
Speaker
Because it's really aggressive.
00:52:41
Speaker
It's like marketing at all costs, benefit at all costs.
00:52:45
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You have Anderson Horowitz, A16Z that came in right around that time that also has a stake in MoonPay.
00:52:52
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So it creates such a very interesting pot.
00:52:55
Speaker
And does that take away from the ethos?
00:53:00
Speaker
Does that take away from Web3?
00:53:02
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Your question is like, how come does Andresen Norovits come at the right time always with Moonpay, Yuga Labs?
00:53:09
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Is that it?
00:53:12
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Yeah, that's part of it.
00:53:14
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I mean, I'm a little bit dumbfounded.
00:53:15
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I'm a little bit, there's a little part of me that's the diehard Web3 natural network effect, natural ambassador.
00:53:25
Speaker
And then there's also like, I've studied growth hacking.
00:53:28
Speaker
I've tried to use it because I've never been very efficient at it, but there are ways to hack growth.
00:53:37
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And there's definitely like anything that's done to the extreme can go borderline on the dark side.
00:53:43
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And I don't know if I really have a question other than like, what do you think of this?
00:53:47
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Do you think there's a limit that we shouldn't cross?
00:53:51
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I don't know.
00:53:51
Speaker
It's been more than an hour already.
00:53:53
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So maybe my friends... Yeah, about the first part of your thought.
00:53:57
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So it's always those... It's really numerous actors, like 20, 15 people who are...
00:54:04
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Always there at a good time, in the perfect momentum.
00:54:07
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I'm sure about one thing is that there is insider groups, Telegram groups or WhatsApp groups.
00:54:13
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Myself, I do have insider groups where I have insider information.
00:54:17
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One of them is CryptoTester.
00:54:18
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And I will suggest everyone to join CryptoTester.
00:54:24
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That is a community with only Web3 entrepreneurs on blockchain native investment funds, market makers.
00:54:31
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So people who are deeply rooted into Web3 all day long.
00:54:36
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So it's really an engaged community all day long.
00:54:39
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It's an NFT-based community.
00:54:42
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All day long, people have some information about the market.
00:54:45
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These groups at my level give me some information about the market before anyone else.
00:54:52
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But I'm sure there are groups I will never have access to or parties in Miami or I don't know where decisions are being taken with information.
00:55:04
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Andresen Horowitz that invested in FTX.
00:55:07
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I'm sure I will be wrong about the figures, but they lost something like $1 billion because of FTX.
00:55:13
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But they are still in positive right now, having gained more than 20 times what they lost on FTX on FTX.
00:55:20
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printing one of the best years ever for A16Z.
00:55:22
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It's insane, man.
00:55:26
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It's insane what having capital can do.
00:55:29
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Yeah, I've been part of this world when I was working in marginal acquisition.
00:55:33
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I met tons of VCs.
00:55:35
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But I do think there is a huge step between European VCs and those...
00:55:41
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American phones, because I went into VC office that were managing hundreds of millions of dollars in Paris.
00:55:50
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And their office was only two rooms with four people working around computers.
00:55:56
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So behind it, it's nothing.
00:55:58
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But two US VCs or something else.
00:56:03
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I don't know if it's any representation.
00:56:06
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It must have been an interesting life.
00:56:08
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I wish I'd seen... I wish I could see what it is like.
00:56:13
Speaker
Have you seen the show Billions?
00:56:17
Speaker
No.
00:56:17
Speaker
It's a pretty good one.
00:56:18
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I don't know how representative it is, but you're interested in finance and all this stuff if you're ever in need of a show.
00:56:25
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It's Billion or Billions, something like this.
00:56:28
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It's a really good one.
00:56:29
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My thought behind this...
00:56:32
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is that we do think the smart money has everything three years in advance.
00:56:35
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They know exactly which industry will pop up in the next...
00:56:40
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few months.
00:56:41
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So they are doing an amazing job in order to help entrepreneurs.
00:56:44
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They are not only here for making money, but a lot of them are really positively acting toward the entrepreneur ecosystem.
00:56:51
Speaker
But we saw it with intelligence, artificial intelligence right now.
00:56:55
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Nobody was expecting ChatGPT to be a so huge thing in the space.
00:56:59
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And I saw VC really close of mine that from day to another just created a new vertical in the investment thesis saying,
00:57:09
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okay, now we are fully into, uh, intelligent, artificial intelligence.
00:57:13
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Uh, we are creating a $100 million vehicle in order to, uh, to get investments on this.
00:57:21
Speaker
Um,
00:57:21
Speaker
Things are going so fast.
00:57:23
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I do things on things at the same time as we do.
00:57:26
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We people are interested in deep tech on following stuff on LinkedIn and everything.
00:57:31
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But yeah, this last example with all the things around artificial intelligence.
AI Integration in Web3
00:57:37
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So I saw that.
00:57:38
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It went so fast.
00:57:39
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Yeah, it was crazy.
00:57:40
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They had one million users in something like one week or first week of... Yeah, but it's so... Yeah, it's so surprising.
00:57:49
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It's not...
00:57:50
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Like in retrospect, it's not easy to see the power of it because like I couldn't wait to tell like five or 10 of my friends about it.
00:58:01
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Like, oh my God, look what I did.
00:58:03
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I had a full on conversation with ChatGPT for like 45 minutes around spirituality and self-development.
00:58:12
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Wow.
00:58:13
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And it was really cool.
00:58:15
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And it got me.
00:58:16
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And I was telling my girlfriend, who's not amazed.
00:58:21
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I mean, kind of, but not really.
00:58:23
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And I was telling her, hey, this AI had a conversation on a subject that is
00:58:34
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It's hard.
00:58:35
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It's expensive.
00:58:36
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Like, how do you get better?
00:58:39
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What should you do if you're in this or that state?
00:58:42
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What are some practices that you could implement?
00:58:45
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And then I was telling it, oh, but you forgot that.
00:58:47
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And so you should probably, you should probably, I think I told it, yeah, I think you forgot about introspection.
00:58:54
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It's really important.
00:58:55
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And so it bounced off it and be like, yeah, actually introspection is a very important component of self-development.
00:59:03
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It develops self-awareness.
00:59:05
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And this is day one.
00:59:08
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This is an alpha version of a tool that stopped the testing, I think in 2021.
00:59:16
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And so when it actually goes live, when it starts to not just do things off of the database, but also adjust to the user that's using it, it's going to be insane.
00:59:26
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Yeah.
00:59:27
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Microsoft just injected a 10 billion dollars, uh,
00:59:31
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in it.
00:59:31
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Like, as you said, it's just the alpha version.
00:59:34
Speaker
That happened?
00:59:34
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:59:36
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It was announced yesterday.
00:59:37
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Yeah, I played a lot with it.
00:59:39
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Ah, fuck it.
00:59:41
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It's truly redesigning a lot of, lot of jobs.
00:59:45
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Like, the first thing that comes to my mind was, okay, so now, on this or that topic, people will write in 10 sec a 600 pages book.
00:59:55
Speaker
And I went to Kindle.
00:59:56
Speaker
I do have my Kindle.
00:59:57
Speaker
And I went to
00:59:59
Speaker
to Kindle on, uh, I saw a lot of new books coming out of nowhere on, uh, people are like, there is so many new business opportunity, uh, behind it.
01:00:11
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And I'm seeing on LinkedIn people who are in Web3 who are now experts in, in, uh, artificial intelligence on, uh, like out of nowhere, uh, they just want to, to catch the hype on, um, yeah, I, I,
01:00:28
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I'm sure it will be a thing.
01:00:29
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I'm really excited to see the bridge between Web3 and artificial intelligence.
01:00:37
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Me too.
01:00:38
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Where do you see it?
01:00:38
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Because I've thought about it and it's so obvious that there will be a bridge.
01:00:44
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But I...
01:00:45
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Even I thought about how do we implement AI into our business processes.
01:00:50
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I have a couple ideas.
01:00:51
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It's going to be interesting, but it's not life-changing yet.
01:00:54
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And I'm very curious to hear about what you think the bridge will happen between the two.
01:01:03
Speaker
It has such thousands of applications, but...
01:01:07
Speaker
Like the older paths for the yields in the loans protocols as AAV, artificial intelligence could in the matter of seconds find the best path in order for users to get the most of their yield every day or every hour.
01:01:24
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The opportunities are too big.
01:01:26
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You're right.
01:01:28
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It's probably what's preventing... It will permeate everything.
01:01:32
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It will...
01:01:33
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probably just seep into all the infrastructure and, and you will get into discord.
01:01:39
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And instead of asking a million questions to content, uh, to a moderator, you'll go into, um, a chat bot and you'll open a support ticket and you'll ask questions and the AI will be able of answering, will be capable of answering 95% of the questions.
01:01:56
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They'll be able to go into the blockchain and, and,
01:01:58
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say, Hey, this is what happened to your money.
01:02:00
Speaker
You send it into Polygon instead of sending it on BSC.
01:02:04
Speaker
I'm such a tech optimist.
01:02:07
Speaker
I do think that tech used well can be very powerful.
01:02:10
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For the first time in many years, I was actually a little bit scared of what's going to happen.
01:02:16
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And holy shit, I hope that it could very well further the divide between the people who have access to it and not access to it.
01:02:25
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Yeah.
01:02:27
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If it stays as it is like open source on free, it's not a problem, I think.
01:02:33
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But clearly, it will make the gap bigger between people who are working hard and people who are working smart.
01:02:41
Speaker
You will be able to do so many tasks and save so many hours thanks to artificial intelligence.
01:02:47
Speaker
In my workflow, my daily workflow, I'm implementing so many artificial intelligence already that
01:02:54
Speaker
People who know to work smartly will gain productivity on people working just hard without using the tools that are existing.
01:03:06
Speaker
And maybe this is one more opportunity for people to jump into entrepreneurship with all those intelligence enabling you to do text to code and build a website from what you want as a feature.
01:03:20
Speaker
It's just...
01:03:22
Speaker
crazy for the frictions people had about knowledge on everything.
01:03:26
Speaker
And administration, you just made me think of administration when you have paperwork to do.
01:03:32
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
01:03:33
Speaker
And intelligence, an AI will very well be capable of going into your transactions, looking at your invoices, and be like, boop, boop, boop, boop.
01:03:43
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All right, this goes there, bam, bam, bam.
01:03:45
Speaker
This is your declaration.
01:03:47
Speaker
This is how much taxes you should pay.
01:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, just going back to DAOs, BIP is a DAO tool that just implemented ChatGPT-free.
01:03:56
Speaker
So the previous version of ChatGPT.
01:03:58
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This is just a free tip for people who will be listening to the chat.
01:04:02
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this one and half hour podcast, but it enables, it's a huge improvement for DAOs because as you were saying, it's like a chat bot on your Discord.
01:04:13
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Instead of having a moderator always responding to the same Q&As on FAQs on Discord, for example, Doos AA will help the core team educate the contributors.
01:04:26
Speaker
by giving them all the responses they need.
01:04:28
Speaker
Where is the white paper?
01:04:29
Speaker
What is the aim of the DAO?
01:04:30
Speaker
How can I participate to this vote?
01:04:33
Speaker
What is the forum of the vote?
01:04:34
Speaker
BIP.so.
01:04:36
Speaker
There's going to be so much stuff to link to.
01:04:42
Speaker
That's so powerful.
01:04:43
Speaker
What was your question again, Polymas?
01:04:45
Speaker
I was going to ask what you've already started implementing in terms of AI in your daily workflow.
AI Tools for Creativity and Communication
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah, for example, as you saw, my English is not that academic.
01:04:58
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So when I'm writing in English, I'm using Deeple.
01:05:02
Speaker
Do you know Deeple?
01:05:04
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, DeepL.
01:05:06
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:06
Speaker
You can just write your text in any language you want and you will translate it in perfectly academic English.
01:05:13
Speaker
That's AI?
01:05:15
Speaker
Yeah, it is.
01:05:16
Speaker
It is.
01:05:16
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I didn't know.
01:05:18
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I mean, yeah, now that I think of it, obviously I hadn't made a connection, but yeah, it makes sense.
01:05:23
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And then as soon as I have a question business related, I'm asking ChatGPT.
01:05:27
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What's the latest question you asked it?
01:05:32
Speaker
The latest question I asked is, so I have a twin brother that is living in Reunion, Iceland, next to Madagascar in Africa.
01:05:42
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And I wanted to, so he just had a little child and I wanted to make a gift, to give a gift to his newly born, so my nephew, because he's abroad, because on this island,
01:05:57
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You can't find.
01:05:58
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So Amazon is not going on this island or it's really expensive.
01:06:01
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So it's always difficult for us to bring things there.
01:06:06
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So I asked ChatGPT.
01:06:08
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OK, I have a nephew.
01:06:09
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He's two months old.
01:06:11
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He's living on Reunion, Iceland.
01:06:12
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What kind of gift could I send him?
01:06:15
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And he gave me a list of six to seven gifts.
01:06:18
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proposals and it was perfectly well done.
01:06:22
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That's insane.
01:06:25
Speaker
It's insane.
01:06:27
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AI is going to become our best friend.
01:06:30
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It's going to become the thing that we talk to the most because right now we maybe don't have the habit.
01:06:37
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It's just a question of habit.
01:06:39
Speaker
You have early adopters like yourself.
01:06:42
Speaker
I did the same thing with Mid Journey.
01:06:45
Speaker
I don't know if you've tried it.
01:06:46
Speaker
I haven't tried it.
01:06:47
Speaker
I've heard about it, but I haven't tried it.
01:06:50
Speaker
It's fucking crazy.
01:06:52
Speaker
It's like, I'm an artist in my mind.
01:06:56
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I'm creative.
01:06:58
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I have ideas.
01:07:00
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But I never took the time to practice those skills.
01:07:04
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I can't draw for shit.
01:07:06
Speaker
I can't paint.
01:07:07
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I'm finally at 30 learning to play the guitar.
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But...
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It would take me to draw a picture that resembles slightly what I have in mind or that portrays the question, the portrays the, the, like the, the intention that I have.
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It would take me days, literally days of, I have a meeting, I'm gonna do a half an hour of doing this, I have to erase half of it because it's shit and then I have to redo it again.
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I've spent hours and hours on mid journey in the past few days, just creating stuff, creating content for my personal benefit.
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Like I journal a lot, it helps me with my introspective work, it helps me like,
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It makes me accountable to myself.
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And I found it interesting to start using AI to put whatever I'm going through into sort of image.
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And I don't know, I'm kind of, I'm a pretty visual person, so it helps me.
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you know, get this information back.
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And so I find it super powerful.
01:08:11
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So you and I were pretty like early adopters.
01:08:14
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You've already started using ChatGPT as your assistant.
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I saw a tool somewhere, I can't remember where it was.
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Someone has created a bridge between ChatGPT and Siri.
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So now you can access ChatGPT with Siri.
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And that is obviously the future.
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In the future, we'll have a small something in our ear for the bravest, something in our brain.
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And you will instantly just say, hey, Siri, let's activate it.
01:08:45
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compute my phone what's this or what's that like what time does the store close uh remind me to do this or tell me to do that uh what's the fastest way to do this or that yeah and in five years we'll all be doing that yeah for sure
01:08:59
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Oh my God, that's scary.
Networking and Learning from Diverse Perspectives
01:09:01
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Honestly, honestly, this has been such a great conversation.
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I don't want to like feed it anything else that wouldn't be necessary.
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I'll just ask you this.
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What are you looking for right now?
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Who are the people that you want to meet?
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What is the type of people that you would want to reach out to you and talk to you
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based on your current personal needs or professional needs.
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What I will say is why we could stay one more hour speaking together.
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So I'm deeply into humans and I'm deeply into personal development as well, journaling, all the things you said, maybe dating two hours for seven years.
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That's why we get along.
01:09:41
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We're on the same brainwave.
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Yeah, yeah.
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We'll speak about it maybe on another day, but...
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All the people who are really driven toward what they are passionate about or what they want to become, I really have deep connection with those people.
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And it's working with you, Polymas.
01:10:00
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Like yesterday, yesterday I met someone who wanted to do a DAO, I told you, about mushrooms and use those mushrooms as no tropics in order to do biohacking and boost his brain.
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You need to put me in touch with that person.
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And it was so interesting.
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And we spent like
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two hours speaking and I was at tons of things to, of work to do, but I will put you in touch for sure.
01:10:25
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But, uh, two people, um, not only about personal development, but it can be someone who is playing hockey, someone who is playing the piano, uh, the guitar, um, who is acting, uh, but everyone who has a deep passion for something who is living his life, you know, who is not in a,
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in a life he doesn't want.
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Or stuck and wants to get out.
01:10:50
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Yeah, exactly.
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I think this is the big majority.
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I have deep connection with all those people and I always take time to learn from them and try to understand their purpose in life.
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I think my passion in life is to meet people my age who have a totally different story of life
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understand their vision of the world and what's going on.
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This is why I've traveled so much.
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And I spent one year between Nepal and India, and I'm going back there in March.
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I will spend two years there.
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Because in Nepal, I bought a motorcycle.
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I went to the frontier with Tibet.
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On the way, I met people my age that...
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had a totally different conception about the importance of working in their life.
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I was in a distant relationship with a girl at the moment.
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I was struggling badly with this relation.
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And they had so much different vision of love, of family and everything.
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It was so enlightening.
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This is what is feeding me in my life.
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So, yeah.
01:12:02
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That's amazing.
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It's literally the reason why I'm doing this podcast.
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It's because I love meeting those people.
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I keep on meeting them.
01:12:11
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Like every other person that I meet, even in the realm of Web3, is the type of person that you describe.
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And we could probably do another hour and a half on personal development on our various practices.
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But...
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one of the things that I've learned a lot, thanks to my girlfriend, is that other people help you as much, if not more than you help yourself.
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And I didn't really, it wasn't really conscious in me or maybe it was ego related where I, I just thought that I was going to figure out what the fuck is wrong with me and how to get better and how to get more happy.
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But yeah, meeting people,
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If you're open enough, and that applies to personal development, but it applies to business as well.
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I think the biggest growth that I've done when it comes to being a founder and being a leader is in, like being a leader is not being above the people that you work with and telling them,
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It's a lot more about being with them and listening to what they say and processing what they're saying and processing that information and making sure that it is used in the best way possible.
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That's why I've come to see myself.
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I say CEO sometimes because it's what speaks to people and their psyche.
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But I see myself as a facilitator.
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And I think that's...
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in life and in growth, we're all kind of facilitating each other's growth.
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We meet, we talk, you inspire me for something, I inspire you for something.
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And it always goes both ways, no matter where you are in life, no matter if you're 50 super successful, if you meditate three hours a day, if you have the perfect relationship, you could meet someone who's 16,
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and will like completely revamp your perspective on life.
01:14:04
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Do you want to maybe, do you have people in web three types of people, DAO founders, like who should reach out to you on your LinkedIn or Twitter that we will link somewhere?
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Sorry again, Polymas.
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If someone in Web3 would want to reach out to you, who are you looking for?
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DAO founders, people who want to help you build your business, or who are you looking for at the moment who should reach out to you when they've listened to this podcast?
01:14:31
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Anyone.
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If I can help with the skills I'm doing, like helping founders get non-deleteer funding or people who want to build DAOs, if I can help them with...
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with doing that, I'd be more than happy.
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Above all, anyone who is interested in my life, in my track, in what I'm doing, and wants to learn more, feel free.
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And I'd be more than happy to meet other people who have common interests with myself.
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Yeah, I have many slots open.
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I think I have something like 18 to 20 slots open of half an hour every week.
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on a meeting 18 to 20 person a week.
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I love this, like feel free and I'll be more than glad to.
01:15:21
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That's really cool.
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And for anyone who's not already convinced by this lengthy conversation, I've started to slowly work with Corentin, with Cox.
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a few weeks ago and he is compassionate and he is empathetic and he listens and he understands.
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Definitely one of the smartest people I've met in Web3 terms and in general terms.
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And so I highly recommend anyone go to him for any needs that they have.
01:15:55
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Thanks a lot.
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Any last words?
01:15:58
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My pleasure.
01:15:59
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It was great speaking with you.
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Thanks again for the invitation.
01:16:01
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Yeah, it was awesome.
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And it will happen again, I'm pretty sure.
01:16:05
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I'm pretty sure we'll do this again in a few weeks or in a few months.