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Manor of Darkness Breakdown: Time-Loop Chaos, Andy’s Thirst Trap & 50-Minute Backstory Torture | Streamin’ Demons
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Jo almost rage-quit while Amelie stayed thirsty for Andy in Manor of Darkness — a brutal British indie time-loop slasher that takes FOREVER to get good. Once the manor locks its doors and the blood starts repeating? Absolute chaos. Strong acting, gorgeous shots, genius concept… buried under 50 minutes of dying-mom exposition. We argue: theater-worthy or fast-forward-to-40-mins crime? You decide.
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KEY MOMENTS
- Opening chaos – Screener mindfuck: “Is this the trailer or the whole movie?!”
- Exposition Hell – 50 minutes of dying moms, custody drama, lawyer scenes (I'm guessin') while we both took bathroom breaks
- Andy arrives – Amelie loses her mind: “Instant charisma, I follow him anywhere”
- The Loop drops – Amelie: “Original, brutal, I was glued.” Jo: “Thank fuck the real movie finally started”
- Amelie’s big take – “I’d pay theater money for this — just cut the first hour!”
- Jo’s brutal verdict – “Stream it, fast-forward to 40 mins, or suffer like I did”
- Final scene – Cold, mean, sticks the landing hard
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Transcript
Introduction and Technical Glitches
00:00:07
Jo
hey everyone, welcome to the potato internet of Czech Republic with your host, Joe Anomaly. hey For real though, welcome to Streaming Demons.
00:00:18
Jo
Amelie's having a bit of a potato issue where basically i guess the entire infrastructure of Europe is just shit. But that's okay.
00:00:29
Jo
I can actually see you now, it's weird. Before you were sounding you're underwater chipmunk.
'Manor of Darkness' Initial Thoughts
00:00:35
Jo
Yeah. Today we are reviewing, she's pantomimed me. I'm not sure what, what talk say something woman. Oh no, no. She's trapped in the box.
00:00:46
Jo
She's trapped in box human.
00:00:50
Jo
Boxing, Foxy. I don't know. Maybe her does your mic really work or no.
00:00:57
Amelie
Yes, it does.
00:00:58
Jo
Okay. I hear you now. Good. Just making sure. So we just got done watching. Fuck, what movie was that? That's not a good sign. If I'm like, what? No, nothing to do with the movie. I had a long, long couple days.
00:01:12
Jo
We just got done watching Manor of Darkness. That's what it was, motherfucker. Manor of Darkness. And the screener is courtesy of, oh, God.
00:01:25
Jo
I started playing again. I clicked on the screener to see the Blake's name. The screener is courtesy of someone. No, we love him. But this is Blake Ryder. going to say your name wrong.
00:01:38
Jo
Say my name right, motherfucker. Kidding. No, Blake Ryder written direct to this. He's kind of sort of in it a little bit. It is a screener we just got done watching like a minute ago, i think.
00:01:52
Jo
And it's funny because it's the first time I've seen a screener on YouTube in a long, long, long, long long
In-Depth Review: 'Manor of Darkness'
00:01:58
Jo
time. i was like, did they send me the fucking trailer? And then I sent it to you and you're like, is that the fucking trailer?
00:02:07
Amelie
I waited 15 minutes for the trailer. I was like, this is all a really, really long trailer. Like, have the impression to watch everything.
00:02:14
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:17
Amelie
What's that? Because I'm like, oh, he sent me the trailer.
00:02:19
Jo
Yeah, because... Yeah.
00:02:20
Amelie
Like, this is a movie we watched. Two point. YouTube. I'm like, yeah, sure. We have a trailer.
00:02:25
Jo
yeah cause
00:02:26
Amelie
Great. Let's watch the trailer. let's Let's see the difference between the trailer the actual movie. Because many times I i like to watch is the trailer, you... use of the movie you propose, right, when it's ah on cinema, to make my point of view, because so many times you have traders and, you know, it doesn't suit the movie by itself.
00:02:53
Jo
Yeah, ah you're starting break up again. But basically, sometimes we will watch a trailer and it the trailer is better than movie or trailer is worse than the movie. like kevin smith I've seen some Kevin Smith movie trailers. I guess even he didn't know what they got out.
00:03:08
Jo
And it made the movie look like shit. I'm like, what the hell, man? Mad Art Darkness was not a trailer, though. It just starts out with a little thing that made us believe a trailer at the same time.
00:03:22
Jo
not No spoilers in this review. You'll never see the movie as we just saw it unless you're reviewing it. So you know when you see it a theater, you're youre not going to anything like that shit.
00:03:32
Jo
But I'm going to read you IMDb. It's an hour and 22 minutes long. It is horror. And I believe it it is, you know, unlike a lot of movies to get misclassified, this actually is horror. A group of pretend filmmakers are stuck in a never-ending nightmare at the manor.
00:03:47
Jo
Written, directed by Blake Ryder, stars Marielle Camillo, gonna say everyone's name wrong, sorry, Stacey Obert Harris and Louis James. So it is award-winning movie. It's got two awards from the LA Film Festival and it's something we both noticed right away.
00:04:12
Jo
It's really well done. Like the actual movie. Yeah.
00:04:18
Amelie
Yes. Yes. It's really well done. It's really well filmed. The actors are good. I really like the lightning.
Benefits of Online Movie Screenings
00:04:26
Amelie
i really like also how the people just deliver the text.
00:04:33
Amelie
It's not too much. it it's It's great. And for a probably low budget movie, um like it's not bad.
00:04:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:41
Amelie
Not bad at all.
00:04:43
Jo
No, we had two back-to-back really, well, this one I'm guessing has a higher budget than the last one we watched. Last one was $20,000 budget or something, 20,000 quid budget. I'm guessing this is a little bit higher than that by a lot.
00:04:56
Jo
But we lucked out with pretty good acting movies, two for two, and pretty well-created movies. like The writing is decent.
00:05:07
Jo
The acting is top-notch. I love the acting here. And the the visual effects, it actually won in a award for visual effects, are solid. They really are.
00:05:18
Jo
i mean, i when I see a movie being screened on YouTube, I'm like, oh, fuck, not me. you know, man, like, can we watch the influencers? Or sorry, that's our next movie coming up later on as influencers. I'm like, man, can we just watch that one right now? like No, no, no, watch this one because it's, you know, embargo is coming up right now.
00:05:35
Jo
But then you watch it like, wow It made me think like maybe maybe this is a good way of doing like ah a screener. Just say fuck all the screening companies. You have your YouTube channel. You put it on YouTube and put it unlisted. I'm like that's kind of a tight way of doing it.
00:05:51
Jo
It's probably cheap as fuck. You know you're not paying any fucking screening like screeners.com or some shit for it.
Critiquing Descriptions and Plot
00:06:01
Jo
The data is all there for you.
00:06:03
Amelie
Especially nowadays with ins Instagram and YouTube and also sort of platform, you have a new sort of movie series walk-on. and For example, there is a series on Instagram that following about roommates from New York or 20 something it's super funny super entertaining and it's filled with actors who are you know young actors like um just from B movies or a movie you know and I really like it it's just short series of five
00:06:31
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:37
Amelie
but you know, 15 second episode or one minute episode and you follow it and it's great.
00:06:42
Jo
Yeah. Little vine type things or shorts.
00:06:43
Amelie
And with YouTube, you have how many movies on YouTube or amateur movies or series or stuff like that. Like, yeah, YouTube is a good idea to show your movie or just try.
00:06:55
Jo
Yeah, I mean, we okay. I'm not saying the movie is going to be on YouTube as in you can actually screen it yourself on YouTube. This is just the way they did the screener, though. It might as well be there. and And it's got a release date on December 9th in the United States.
00:07:09
Jo
And it's from the first thing you'll notice, it is from the UK. Everyone's got the accent and stuff like that. But you also notice. right, it's an hour and 22 minutes.
00:07:21
Jo
And we will we will talk about without spoiling it. You know, I already told Wood this story. The IMDb does not do it justice, by the way. i'm Like, the the tagline on the IMDb is group. What the fuck is that?
00:07:32
Jo
Group. I don't know, man. IMDb kind of shits the bed on this one. Like, a group of pretend filmmakers are stuck in a never-ending nightmare in manner is kind of catchy for a logline.
00:07:45
Jo
And it's, it doesn't do the movie that much justice though. Because it's not really what the movie is about.
00:07:53
Amelie
No, no, it's not about that. It's about a group of thieves who come to the manhole to find something, okay, to find a treasure, like something like that, right?
00:07:58
Jo
Yeah, but a group of thieves.
00:08:04
Jo
MacGuffin. They opened the Ark of the coven the Covenant up.
00:08:06
Amelie
And they find themselves in a trap, basically.
00:08:10
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:10
Amelie
The trap. Voilà. Point. Here should be the INDB story point. Watch the movie. It's very entertaining. I was not bored.
00:08:19
Jo
It is.
00:08:20
Amelie
had a lot of fun watching it. The actors are good. There is some critique I would have. Like, it's sometimes some scene over the top for the playing and the storyline, but it's a writing thing.
00:08:34
Amelie
Okay, I think with a little bit of subtility, Some character would be good. I like the character of the brother, the character of the sister. Girlfriend, yeah, yeah, she's good. and But at the end, she's a bit nyeh-nyeh-nyeh. I don't know why.
00:08:50
Amelie
At the beginning, she was completely fine, completely normal. And at the end, she was very girly-girly. Ooh, I'm girl, I'm a girl.
00:08:56
Jo
Yeah.
00:08:57
Amelie
Kind of thing.
00:08:58
Jo
Like the character shifts.
00:08:58
Amelie
But at the beginning, she was like a woman, a UK woman, right?
00:09:02
Jo
Yeah.
00:09:02
Amelie
Um...
00:09:03
Jo
You liked Andy. You said he was sexy.
00:09:05
Amelie
yeah
00:09:07
Amelie
Andy, Andy, amazing character. i really love Andy.
00:09:07
Jo
You like Rue Shang.
00:09:11
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:09:12
Amelie
Andy is amazing. When I saw Andy coming on screen, I was like, he's got the charisma. I like it. I follow him. I like the way he plays. He's really cool. The writing of Andy could be better or
Character and Pacing Analysis
00:09:25
Amelie
the directing of Andy could be better.
00:09:28
Amelie
But it's only, i would say, when he talks about his backstory. was like, yeah, it's a little bit over the top, a little bit, you see what I mean?
00:09:35
Jo
Well, it's weird when you say that because I'm from a place where scam artists would do the same backstory. And they will give you the scam artist version is always longer than the real version.
00:09:51
Jo
Like our version, if if we had, i don't think this is a spoiler. If we're saying Andy like loses like custody of his kid, I don't think that spoils anything. That's how you meet the character, right? And if you're a scam artist, you're gonna give like 12 fucking minutes of that shit.
00:10:06
Jo
If you're just you and me, like, yeah, man, i can't believe I lost by my fucking kids.
00:10:11
Jo
minute.
00:10:14
Amelie
Oh, now you're saying that? Yeah, give a different view on it makes sense.
00:10:16
Jo
Make sense no
00:10:19
Amelie
I like it. Yep, yep, yep.
00:10:21
Jo
now? Yeah. so it's not that way I took was it.
00:10:22
Amelie
I have to say for a horror movie, the character, even the side character or the character in the back, if you see what I mean with the few lines, are doing a really good job.
00:10:22
Jo
He was just scamming him.
00:10:32
Amelie
It's believable.
00:10:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:34
Amelie
Like there is a bar scene. I was like, I like that.
00:10:36
Jo
No, yeah, that's a...
00:10:36
Amelie
I like the way they talk to each other and stuff. i was like, by the conversation, I'm like, this is bar.
00:10:41
Jo
It's a bar scene that's well-sounded. like You're not trying to figure out what the fuck did did I just say because like the technical ability of the filmmakers are top-notch.
00:10:46
Amelie
Yes.
00:10:49
Amelie
Yeah.
00:10:54
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:10:56
Jo
I don't know... Oh, I do know the company. I just look on D&B right now. I can just look at them. But... This is deserving the awards it's getting. It's hitting some awards in film festivals right now, and very much deservedly so.
00:11:12
Jo
Everything from acting all the way through to the small details, the color is great, the the sound, it all works. Even like the the setup, right? i mean I like the idea of it. I think we both have a little bit of an issue...
00:11:32
Jo
with i'm gonna call it act one like because we kind of like i made a i made a smart ass camera like you know an hour into the movie i'm like fine the movie fucking starts
00:11:36
Amelie
Yeah.
00:11:42
Amelie
heard Yeah, it was too messy. Guys, guys, person who write or direct were too messy. One hour long of backstory. And because there were a lot of blood at the beginning, got confused with the actual story.
00:11:52
Jo
yeah
00:11:58
Amelie
Cool, great. We have the backstory of X, Y, Z, what's going on, great, amazing, fantastic. But because the path was very slow and I was focusing on the different horror scenes,
00:12:11
Amelie
I du didn't understand in the middle of the movie all a sudden, oh no, this is not the actual horror plot. That's just, yes, this is the horror plot.
00:12:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:12:22
Amelie
I was like looking at you saying, wait, wait, what? Who what?
00:12:25
Jo
It swerves.
00:12:26
Amelie
So who is what? And we have a complete different movie. Like for the first part, I was acting in one movie.
00:12:32
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:36
Amelie
Second act, completely different movie. i was like, yeah, unnecessary. What could be done in 15 minutes was done in one hour. way too long and too stretch.
00:12:48
Amelie
And very confusing. Like, I had to understand there were a loop. I didn't understand there were a loop before the third or fourth time there were a loop.
00:13:00
Amelie
There is a loop. And I'm like, yeah, great. I'm lost. And it's sad because the storyline is interesting. The actors are great. i I'm really entertained.
00:13:14
Amelie
I was not bored.
00:13:14
Jo
It is.
00:13:14
Amelie
Like, it's really good. But because of that, it was like, what? What's going on?
00:13:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:19
Amelie
Who is who?
00:13:20
Jo
It's.
00:13:20
Amelie
What? Heaven, you you have to stop me and say, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is she the sister or is she the girlfriend? This one is the girlfriend's cousin.
00:13:26
Jo
Yeah, I'm like, is that the sister or the girl? Are they fucking now? It's like, oh, no, no, that's the sister. I'm like, no, that's the girlfriend. I'm like, oh, but i I looked away for one second from my my TV. I was like, oh, shit. I didn't understand. like That was two different people for a second. And then you know the the I had small issues.
00:13:46
Jo
you know I'll pick on like the mom. It starts off with the mom dying in bed with full makeup on. Because of course you do. Whenever you're coughing shit up, you always want to make sure you have makeup on.
00:13:59
Amelie
No, totally believable.
00:14:00
Jo
I don't know, man.
00:14:02
Amelie
She was in maybe in a nursing home or hospital or something like that, or a maison de repos, as we said, or maybe a house.
00:14:05
Jo
No, those are fucking house house.
00:14:10
Amelie
She's maybe really, really sick, but she's wearing makeup. Makes sense. She needs to get an operation, but it's expensive. And I was like, okay, so maybe it's a movie about the mother. She's going to die and stuff.
00:14:20
Amelie
Like the problem is when you don't know, you're trying to say, okay, so maybe it's a zombie movie.
00:14:24
Jo
Yeah. yeah Yeah, it just becomes like, oh, they're just bitches who rob people.
00:14:26
Amelie
Maybe it's an exorcist movie. Maybe it's a ghost movie. Ah, no, I see. So that person is, okay, so that's going to be. No, no, no. That's right.
00:14:38
Jo
Okay. And then is I think around, it's not i said an hour, but it's actually the 55-minute mark. I said something like it's like, oh, so this movie is like if Annabelle, the vampire movie, started out with an hour of exposition about each character's background and then they got to the house.
00:15:03
Jo
And was like, oh, shit. Well, no. that does that No. Just no.
00:15:10
Jo
So there's there's issues I had, like I said, with the first. I just don't like the first act. I don't. it i've zoned i so I started drinking. of ah i was like taking bathroom breaks.
00:15:22
Jo
I was dehydrated. I drinking something like, you know, I was like, be right back. I'm like, no, just keep playing. Like, I'm not going to miss it. I knew I was going to miss anything. I took a bathroom break, came back twice.
00:15:35
Jo
It was one of those things where you've been in movies like, oh my God, I can't miss anything. Like, no, fucking, I can miss
00:15:40
Amelie
Yeah, and I went, i went, had some difficulties with my child, with my children. i just stood up and be like, okay, cool, let me check if the kids are fine.
00:15:45
Jo
anything.
00:15:49
Amelie
Just a moment, I think somebody needs to go to the potty. Like, and you don't miss anything. Like the first hours, you don't miss anything.
00:15:57
Jo
No.
00:15:57
Amelie
It should be cut.
00:15:58
Jo
Yeah. And that's the thing.
00:15:59
Amelie
Places.
00:15:59
Jo
like we When we did this, was during the first act, going into like, sure, I guess technically the act two happens when they get to the the house or something like that.
00:16:11
Jo
That's kind of when act two, I'm guessing, happens. And even when they first get to the house, it's still, it's shit you could just could have started there. That honestly, you just get us fucking started it there. And then the first act would have been a little draggy, but because no one really cares. The guys needed a lawyer for his kid. i don't give a fuck.
00:16:32
Jo
No one. ah We get the moms dying because seeing that shit in like two minutes clip and the girlfriend is just there because of the girlfriend. mean Great. They got to the house.
00:16:45
Jo
Awesome. Let's start there. So there's there's there's things wrong with the movie. like the first pacing wise. But I will say this, after they got to the house, neither of us left our left our chair.
00:17:02
Jo
We were both watching the fucking movie. Interesting.
00:17:05
Amelie
the acting, the storyline, what's going on. Like, ah there is a loop, so they need to make decisions. There is a sense of your move here. I really like, there is a very good idea. I don't see in different movies. Like, it's original, it's great.
00:17:21
Amelie
Yeah.
00:17:21
Jo
Yeah.
Is 'Manor of Darkness' Theater-worthy?
00:17:22
Jo
Yeah, and it's.
00:17:24
Amelie
I think the beginning would have been better to have, like, a few minutes with the mother, the mother is dying, they need money, boom, she called her brother, brother is with girlfriend, you know it's a girlfriend, they give a kiss or something like that, like, you know, something to indicate, oh, say girlfriend, na-na-na-na.
00:17:41
Amelie
Then maybe a little flashback with her what's going on, what, you see what I mean?
00:17:46
Jo
The one character Sarah, yeah.
00:17:47
Amelie
Easy, simple. And for the Asian guy, know, Andy, no need to know, like that scene with the lawyer,
00:17:57
Jo
He could have been just a fucking friend.
00:17:57
Amelie
you take...
00:18:01
Jo
And your audio is completely cut out, by the way. There you
00:18:04
Amelie
and but
00:18:06
Jo
I said your audio cut out for like, i don't know. It came back though.
00:18:10
Amelie
okay now I mean for Andy, very simple, I would keep that from Andy.
00:18:14
Jo
Yeah.
00:18:17
Amelie
The s scene in the bar from A to Z and that's all. He sits, he introduces himself, the lady comes, he gives back the thing, end of the story.
00:18:21
Jo
Yeah. app That is it.
00:18:28
Jo
Yeah. That's all we needed to know from Andy.
00:18:29
Amelie
Carisma is like that, bang.
00:18:30
Jo
I agree.
00:18:32
Amelie
Voilà.
00:18:33
Jo
I agree. And I'm sorry if we talk over each other. it's kind of hard to gauge the leg. So I agree. The bar scene in, like, we'll say real time is all we need from Andy's character.
00:18:49
Jo
Everything else is just like, holy shit, does everyone have a fucking backstory have to tell us? There you go. Exposition hell. Exposition Hell, first act.
00:18:59
Jo
Exposition Hell. Get out of that. And then it's actually a hooked up movie. Now, the fun thing is, even with Exposition Hell, the acting is good enough to keep you kind of like going with the movie.
00:19:15
Jo
Like, you know, like it's, I would be, if that was an entire thing, if if Act 2 never happened, i'm like, oh, fuck me. This is a shit movie. But it got me enough to get to Act 2 and go, oh, thank God I stayed on.
00:19:30
Jo
Right. Yeah. So Manner of Darkness,
00:19:37
Jo
I don't regret watching it. I really did like the second act. Like second and third act, right? I like those. I did have some wonky, there are some wonky movements other than the time and the length of whatever the first act is.
00:19:54
Jo
For example, when we first meet the brother, his his girlfriend's like, oh, she's like, I got a new jacket. Like, oh, something wrong? I'm like, yeah, his mom's dying.
00:20:06
Jo
You didn't know that? It's like, who do you think's on the phone? I'm like, just randomly. You wouldn't like, oh, geez, I forgot something's wrong. So it kind of clunks that way.
00:20:18
Jo
But the characters are well drafted. I do agree that sometimes the girlfriend flips to a different character for a minute. at the like Once again, I don't know what that's about. but Everyone else is kind of like going and going and going going and i will Without spoiling the ending, no spoilers, there's some stuff in late part act three that just didn't seem true to the story world for me.
00:20:45
Jo
i move without I can't say without spoiling the movie. but but But, but, but, but, as we say here, would you watch this movie in the theater?
00:21:03
Amelie
think so.
00:21:04
Jo
Would you? oh shit. Okay.
00:21:06
Amelie
I think so. hu Look, I really like Andy as a character. I like the master of the domain as a character.
00:21:15
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:15
Amelie
add the end, because there is an end, we cannot talk about it. I really like the end, the last scene, how filmed, cut, edited, because it's very helpful with the story to understand as a whole.
00:21:24
Jo
Mm-hmm.
00:21:28
Amelie
My only concern is because the beginning is too long, You can't sue in your head the storyline. The sister is with the mother, the mother is dying, she needs an operation, therefore they need money. She call her brother, her brother has a conversation, is like, yeah, I'm going to to try. He has a girlfriend, he's sad, and it's too long for the story to explain that, hey, they're a bunch of thieves, and there's consequences, and blah, blah, blah, you see what I mean?
00:21:58
Amelie
That fucked me up with my personal
Lifestyle and Health Conversations
00:22:00
Amelie
story. Character per character. I like the girlfriend. I like the brother. I like the mother. I like the sister. Everything looks normal.
00:22:10
Amelie
You know, it's just the beginning was way too long and make me confused. I would watch it. Definitely. With a good popcorn and a good friend.
00:22:19
Jo
Interesting.
00:22:19
Amelie
And I felt entertained. Like... Like, yeah, I think so.
00:22:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:25
Amelie
i think so. yeah, yeah. I think i would ah I would definitely watch it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:22:31
Jo
It's interesting you say that because last week we flipped. I would watch the one last week. I was like, oh, this is a screener like in ah in a movie conference or indie show. Like go to like Gen Con and get one of the movie screeners at a film festival.
00:22:47
Jo
Absolutely. You know, this would great for it. This one, because it does kind of mess, you say it's mess of your mind, I think you hit it on the head. I thought it was a slow burn. Like, oh, this is a slow burn because it's going nowhere for 40 fucking minutes.
00:23:02
Jo
It's got to be a slow burn. Can't wait. i don't know if I was in the mood for a slow burn today or not. And then it's like, oh, no, it's not a slow burn. There's actually a movie to it. You know, I, if I was in the theater,
00:23:20
Jo
I wouldn't be like, what the fuck? I might've walked. I might've walked before I got to act two. I'm like, you know what? I got more shit to do in my life. I need to edit that book. You know that? Okay.
00:23:34
Jo
At one part, at one point in the movie, because I had the screen open over the word document for the new anthology, the music's over, coming soon to a store near you.
00:23:48
Jo
I was like, maybe I should just edit this fucking anthology right now. I only got like the interviews with Andrea Perrin and Dave Dashmushian and Joe Bob Briggs. I only got those three left to edit.
00:24:02
Jo
you know Maybe I'll just do that and listen to the movie. That's how bad the first fucking act was. was like, maybe I should do editing. like i Listen.
00:24:15
Jo
Do i want to watch this movie in a theater? No, I don't. We flipped last week. I had to like talk you into like, oh, man. ogar I wouldn't mind if this was on Shudder.
00:24:27
Jo
Like this was a streaming service. i'm Like, okay, I put it on. Cool. I can do some light shit in the background like I was thinking about doing. It'll be fine. And I'll pay attention when I want to pay attention to it.
00:24:38
Jo
In a movie theater, man, maybe it if you were there. If you were there you had to eat the popcorn for me because I can't have popcorn no more. Apparently, Tony Horton said no, so I can't do that no more. I know.
00:24:50
Amelie
Oh no, that's a real horror story.
00:24:50
Jo
I know.
00:24:52
Jo
Dude, dude, no more sugar either.
00:24:58
Jo
How am I going to... I know, Starbucks. Now, Tony, if you're listening to this one, sorry for all the F-bombs. But first of all, sir, I must point out one thing. I did not read your email until after I went to Starbucks today.
00:25:12
Jo
So today is my last Starbucks. I'm mad at my word, but I saw the email pop up. I saw like the headline like, fuck, no sugar. Okay, not going to read it. Maybe said no sugar tomorrow. I don't know. i don't know. I don't know.
00:25:23
Jo
ah cheated a little bit. I went to Starbucks for the last fucking time. Like, you know what? Fuck it. I got like a, I altered the drink. So it wasn't like a 400 cow. It's like more 200.
00:25:35
Jo
It's still a lot, you know? So yeah, no more sugar, no more sugar, no more popcorn. Fuck, no more pizzas, which actually probably, my heart's to be better, I guess, but you know.
00:25:46
Amelie
But why? Like, like is it? like This is a situation. like When you get certain age and doctor is like, okay, so now you need to stop the sugar, you need to stop this to stop that.
00:25:58
Amelie
And you're like, what's the point?
00:26:01
Jo
Oh, I'll tell you reason why.
00:26:02
Amelie
No?
00:26:03
Jo
Tony Horton, if if you might not know Tony Horton, he is a fitness trainer. And we are doing a fat loss contest right now, Goo Fighters. And so he's, I'm currently at 11% body fat.
00:26:20
Jo
And I want to go back down to like 9% to 8%. And that means, you know, cutting shit out my diet. And one of those things, like I don't do, I don't drink really.
00:26:35
Jo
I just don't. i I used to be a big drinker. It doesn't thrill me at all. know If you and I were out and having maybe a absent drink, I think we only had one, right?
00:26:47
Jo
Yeah. Back in the day, old me, we would have closed the fucking bars. Knew me, I'm like, let's get a drink. And we could probably even shared it and I've been okay. like okay We just share the experience. or know i don't do drugs.
00:27:01
Jo
I don't do drugs i don't have many addictions the only thing I have left addiction why is like caffeine and sugar and so yeah and both are pretty negative like caffeine and especially sugar right and so that's why I'm kind of like I knew what it was coming I knew cutting that out was coming I knew it I just didn't think it would be so soon that's all that's all you know it would be better for me anyways
00:27:32
Amelie
The caffeine is also my big thing.
00:27:34
Jo
Yeah, your cap, I know.
00:27:35
Amelie
I don't drink, I never drink, I've never been a drinker because my grandfather was an alcoholic from my mother's side. I lived in a bed and breakfast for 15 years and I saw a lot of, um you call it, alcoholic anonyme.
00:27:52
Amelie
AA, is that correct?
00:27:53
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:53
Amelie
Alcoholic Anonymous, something like that. So I saw a lot of people coming were rich, poor, and they would rent one of the room, you know, sit in circle, introduce them themselves, talk with a psychologist and...
00:27:56
Jo
where we Wait, wait, wait. Yeah.
00:28:07
Amelie
yadada, yadada, and hear each other and help each other and stuff like that. I would hear a story with people who take drugs and stuff like that. And the problem in France is alcohol is everywhere because we sell a lot of beer, a lot of wine, right?
00:28:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:20
Amelie
It's easy to stop cocaine and say, I'm... a drug addict or have an addiction with cocaine, na-na-na-na-na-na, it's easier to for people to say, of course, I understand, this is dangerous. But when you're like, I'm a recovered alcoholic, I can't drink wine or just a glass of wine, it's very difficult, especially in France, in cuisine, you have alcohol everywhere.
00:28:43
Amelie
And... I lived in the kitchen basically and I saw a lot of alcohol and people drinking, drinking, drinking, drinking and be like, oh, it's just a bon vivant, as we said in French, a guy who is alive when he drinks a lot.
00:28:53
Jo
Yeah.
00:28:55
Amelie
And alcohol is great, but people change very quickly once they take alcohol. And when you live in a bed and breakfast for 15 years from baby to teenager, you see a lot of people what they do when they drink and often...
00:29:09
Amelie
it's really dirty so when i arrived in high school and people were starting drinking to have fun i didn't see the fun of it so yes i like a good glass of wine with my steak i like to cook with wine like if i want to do for example um bolognese or
00:29:26
Jo
Right. Right.
00:29:31
Amelie
um
00:29:35
Amelie
A good French dish will require ra wine. Oh, I'm the best person to have in your table because I'm going to serve you wine. White wine, red wine, advice you a few beers, you know what I mean? It's fine.
00:29:48
Amelie
But I'm not going to get fucked up, drunk or stuff. Yeah, sure, I tried it when I was 18 years old and once, never twice. You know what I mean? Like...
00:29:58
Jo
Oh, so, yeah, no, it that's... I drank professionally since I was 15. fifteen I think.
00:30:06
Amelie
said
00:30:08
Jo
Maybe 14. Because that's all we had to do. And the drinking age for us was 21. But that's all we had to do.
00:30:13
Amelie
yeah present
00:30:15
Jo
We had nothing fucking else going on with our lives.
00:30:16
Amelie
I met a lot of your friends Gen Con and we were talking about alcohol, how it goes, etc. and the drinking problem in America because Americans have them.
00:30:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:25
Amelie
Americans, you have a very bad reputation in Europe.
00:30:28
Amelie
Whenever we come with a group of Americans, bad man's cry because you drink, but you don't look after each other. And there is a lot of people who just vomit everywhere and stuff. It's not classy.
00:30:28
Jo
Really?
00:30:41
Amelie
If we have a group of Italians, they're going to drink a lot of wine. If we have a group of South Latin America, we're going to make a lot of cocktails. If we have a group of French, we're going to have a lot of beer, a lot of tequilas, this kind of thing, you know what I mean? Or shots and stuff like that. Even English people, English people, group of men go, they drink, drink, drink, destroy, but they pay for what they destroy. You see what I mean? But they look after each other.
00:31:04
Amelie
While Americans, they're just drinking, drinking, but it's like a form of suicide. It's like having 25 Americans and 25 people who try to commit suicide.
00:31:15
Jo
so
00:31:15
Amelie
That's what we see. And it's disgusting. Like... i it's It's not good. it's it's It's really not good. Like...
00:31:24
Jo
No, I get it.
00:31:24
Amelie
Well, like, why, why, why?
00:31:25
Jo
I mean.
00:31:26
Amelie
Like, for example, when Americans come in south of France to buy wine, we give them the wrong wine, the bad wine, the bad batch, because we know that they're going to waste it.
00:31:38
Amelie
To get wasted.
00:31:38
Jo
Wow. Today's racism brought to you by
00:31:39
Amelie
You see? Like... Amélie, the French.
00:31:46
Amelie
Yeah, so, yeah, when when i was talking to your friends at Gen Con and you were explaining the game is to being a teenager, drink, drink, drink, drink get wasted, etc., before the age of 21...
00:31:46
Jo
So you dirty French bastard, you're trying to give us bad booze. I knew it.
00:31:54
Jo
Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Emily, people don't know about the game. So the game's called Wasted Wisdom, and my friend Mike's, I won't say his last name, but Mike and I, mostly Mike's, I was really drunk, made this game years ago at a friend's house based upon Trivia Pursuit.
00:32:15
Jo
And the game, the objective was to, you know, get the answers right. Because you got it wrong, you had to take a shot of whatever hard rock we had in front of us.
00:32:26
Jo
And me, um you know, I'm like, I knew the answers, but wanted wrong anyway. So I take a shot. In fact, we i think we rolled. Like if you hit a six-sided dice, you rolled and got like four. That was the question you got. And then if you got the answer wrong, that's how many shots you had to take. The second dice is weird. It was blackout.
00:32:44
Jo
And then 30 years later, i was like, you know, I bet we can make this fucking game for real. And so that's what we did. We made this game and with physical challenges and all sorts of shit, wasted wisdom. We took it to Gen Con that one year, you know, was like, with you, we're like, we're going to Gen Con, we're to test out this game.
00:33:02
Jo
And that's what we're explaining. Like, yeah, in in America, the drinking culture below 21, legally is 21, but everyone drinks below 21.
00:33:12
Jo
And that's where most people like drinking games is like the high school crowd, junior high, high school. That's when you actually start playing three man drug dealer. of fuck What else? is There's actually a game called blacked out or passed out and like wasted wisdom. Like originally called originally the game was called you're fucked because that's how much we get drank, but wasted wisdom little more friendly.
00:33:35
Jo
And yeah, you're like, oh, we can't do this. Like, no, this is like our normal. Drinking out to excess was normal because you're calling it slow suicide. I get it. It's more of us. We're just medicating. At least I was. i mean, during that time, during high school, was just like self-medicating.
00:33:54
Jo
Later on in in Vegas, after I lost Laura, then it was absolutely me drinking until I i was trying to kill myself. Every fucking day. At a point where I'm like, okay, i this is it.
00:34:09
Jo
And then I'd wake up the next morning depressed. was like, ah, fuck, man, I'm still alive. So let's try it again. I guess i was I didn't think of a gun. i don't know.
00:34:19
Jo
But yeah, so there's there's that aspect of it. But, but, but, but, but. but but and butt We can pick on that part at the same time.
00:34:30
Jo
Sugar happens all the time. and Apparently, if you kill yourself with sugar, it's okay. The sodas and the cereals and all the refined bullshits and all of this other bullshit is loaded with more sugar and more sugar. It's government subsidized.
00:34:47
Jo
Apparently, obesity happens. That's okay. Because sugar corn syrup is good for you.
00:34:52
Amelie
That's okay in America. That's not okay in Europe.
00:34:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:34:55
Amelie
That's okay in America. That's not okay in Europe. This is a very good point. Go to Australia, have a pizza. Stefan will me. It's like, if you eat this pizza, I want you to know it's sugary.
00:35:06
Amelie
I'm like, what do you mean by sugary? Because sometimes you have sauce who are meant to be salty, but are more sugary.
00:35:12
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:13
Amelie
Chinese.
00:35:14
Jo
Popcorn.
00:35:15
Amelie
To me, sometimes it's, so you know, Sugary, right? Or the popcorn, the popcorn in Canada and the popcorn in France doesn't taste the same, right?
00:35:20
Jo
Yeah, the popcorn and... Right.
00:35:23
Amelie
Salty and sugary and stuff.
00:35:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:26
Amelie
I eat the pizza, it's a salty pizza. It tasted sugary. There is cereals, my mother-in-law warned me, like if you buy a certain type of cereal, beware, it doesn't taste the same.
00:35:39
Amelie
The Coca-Cola in America and the Coca-Cola in Europe doesn't taste the same. I got sick of drinking Coca-Cola in America and Australia. um everything is different because the dosage is different. you know In Europe, I'm sure you can eat a lot of your favorite candy and not get fat.
00:35:57
Amelie
You wouldn't have the same blood results that when you eat the same thing in America. It's not the same because in Europe, it's very strict, the level of sugar and lu of all of the of milk.
00:36:09
Jo
And they show it on the labels too.
00:36:11
Amelie
Yes, yes, and it's mandatory and you know, but but but and you cannot
00:36:13
Jo
Yeah. Like lumps of sugar.
00:36:17
Amelie
be obese in France. My ex-girlfriend
00:36:21
Jo
Can be obese in France. Trust me, I went to France. There's some obese motherfuckers there, so don't be generalizing like that.
00:36:27
Amelie
No, dude, no, no. You don't talk about something you don't know.
00:36:29
Jo
you you Okay, so you're saying I'm wrong.
00:36:31
Amelie
I know who is French, who knows.
00:36:31
Jo
I went to France and imagined the obese people I saw.
00:36:33
Amelie
What happens with obese people in France is very simple. When you're obese and you're child, when you're obese and you're child, ah your doctor has an appointment with you and your child and you see a child psychologist.
00:36:49
Amelie
and then a nutritionist. Because if you're obese, really, really fat, we need to know if it's psychological, like you eat, eat, binge eat. If it's you who gave bad food to your child and put your child in danger, or if it's medical, like for example, she has a problem, you know, there's a thyroid or something like that, and we can help.
00:37:10
Jo
thyroid yeah yeah
00:37:13
Amelie
There is people who are obese, and it's because of the thyroid, and they have problems, etc. But I would say in all my life as a teenager and as a woman, I met extreme obese people in France.
00:37:32
Jo
they're all losers you're holding an L oh that's ew
00:37:32
Amelie
Two. Two. The two, they were girls. One had a problem with thyroid and a brother, he was skinny like me.
00:37:41
Jo
Thyroid.
00:37:45
Amelie
And the second one,
00:37:47
Jo
Okay.
00:37:48
Amelie
She was a very close friend of mine. She had psychological problem and she had to go to psychologue, a child psychologue and a nutritionist. And she got the operation for the bypass.
00:38:04
Amelie
She had to et cetera. And, uh, <unk> resistance a very smart young woman. I don't know what happened to her life, but to give you an idea, I'm 35 years old. I think as teenager obese, two, maybe three can be considered as obese, but like really, really massive.
00:38:24
Jo
Right.
00:38:24
Amelie
Because what I saw in America wouldn't pass in France. Like they would stop.
00:38:28
Jo
Well,
00:38:29
Amelie
Like to for example, only boo boo, only boo boo, her parents wouldn't be allowed to keep her.
00:38:34
Jo
well, you know, I, I'm not going get into child raising a streaming movie review.
00:38:34
Amelie
Because they would keep her psychology, etc, e etc.
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00:38:40
Amelie
And if at 11 years old, you're certain way and you're going to lose weight, you're sent to a special hospital school in France to lose weight and eat better, etc.
00:38:51
Jo
Okay. Well, here it is. Folks, if you were like, what the fuck are they talking about for last 12 minutes about eating and shit like that, that was our experience for 50 fucking minutes of the movie.
00:39:04
Jo
Manner of Darkness. Where it was kind of like what the fuck is this going with? And i'll i'll I'll posit our conversation was arguably better than the first act of the movie.
00:39:17
Jo
Because at least it goes somewhere. You know what I mean? and
00:39:20
Amelie
Yep, and you love something.
00:39:21
Jo
And... And you learn something. and It's a little more annual entertaining. Where, again, if you see this in the movies, i'm always you said yes, you would watch this in a theater, Manner of Darkness.
00:39:35
Jo
I'm still going with no, but I would still watch it on Shudder or something like that, or so or two of you. Where the hell on the screen?
00:39:40
Amelie
Yeah.
00:39:40
Jo
on Like Amazon somewhere, right? ah We both think it's a good movie.
00:39:46
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:39:47
Jo
We both, you know, there's nothing, i mean, aesthetically is it's really tight as well. There are some parts that, you know,
00:39:57
Jo
if the first act was not the first act, I would probably change my concept to say, yes, watch it in the theater because the second act is worthy of that. But I just can't be asked for another 50 minutes to sit down to get there.
00:40:14
Jo
Couldn't do it.
00:40:14
Amelie
yeah
00:40:16
Jo
I just couldn't do it. i would be like antsy. But you make your own decisions. It's out. By the time you hear our voice, it's either going to be out on streaming somewhere or in the United States a couple of days later on December 9th. A couple weeks.
00:40:29
Jo
Well, week later. December 9th, United States release date. Check it out. Manor of Darkness. Darkness. and architects Next week, we've got Influencers 1 and 2. Or just number 2. I forgot which one.
00:40:43
Jo
I believe. i do believe. I do believe. All that and more. If you like your talk about Manor of Darkness, why you should start... Hey, you know what? If you get the movie on on on ah online, start around the 40-minute mark.
00:40:58
Jo
Fuck it. You know, just we start around the 40-minute mark. It be a better movie for you. And if you're wondering, if you move to France, will your child be obese?
00:41:10
Jo
That's also on our next episode. All that and more on an Extreme Indemons. Like and subscribe now.
00:41:14
Amelie
and the internet is going to be very
00:41:16
Jo
Bye, y'all. Toodles.