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157: Miss Bonny Lies Over the Sea
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Yo ho ho, we need a bottle of rum after these last few episodes, besties!! From recording to posting, the issues kept cropping up, so we split the Pirates theme into two episodes, and here is Part 2!
Alanna dove into the history of some girl buccaneers, mainly the story of mysterious Anne Bonny, but her bestie too. That was Mary, or should we say Mark? Read. One went as a man, you see, but they were fast friends and almost accidental lovers. Oh and a cameo, or more like a connection to "Calico Jack" Rackham.
We can't forget our tangents on the Black Dagger Brotherhood, Fast & the Furious lore, pet grooming, and the surprise Gordo appearances, which really shock no one?!
Also weight in on our new slogan, maybe? "just Get a Divorce!!" and our new favorite word, "Piratical"!
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Technical and Pet Disruptions
00:00:01
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Hey cryptic cuties, you may have noticed that this last episode and this one are a little different. The last one may have ended a little abruptly and been a little shorter than usual.
00:00:14
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and at the beginning of this one what turned out to be this one we talk about the issues we had recording and those didn't really stop with the post-production to suffice it to say so that's why it was a little shorter last week and we're finishing out our pirate episode this week with my segment so stay tuned and I'm sorry again and I hope you like this one it's kind of fun And I might pop back in at the end of the episode to add a little more because we the the issues just didn't stop while we were recording this episode, as it were. And we'll keep saying, oh, we've been recording this on another day. And as it turned out, it even got posted on another day. So bear with us for this one. And hopefully next week, everything will be back to your regularly scheduled programming.
00:01:13
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All right, thanks.
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If there's any problems this time, please. I know. So we're fighting technology and bureaucracy and everything. Oh my god. and Fight cats? Can we fight cats? ah su Is that why your whole screen just shook? Saw it out of the corner of my eyes hitting my papers.
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ah good know his You know how cats rub their head against something to yeah they're sent will laptops like this on his head and he's going like this. he's nuzzling yeah It's like you don't need to send to my laptop. okay I don't share this with you. It's mine. Oh, but the other day when who was it Friday?
00:02:44
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had a really bad sleep and stuff. And then I didn't end up going to work that day and was like, laying in bed, just like watching TV and stuff and being like, Oh, I need this. And then Fenrir was there. And oh, shit. What was because I was like, No, I'm gonna lose it. Forgot what I was saying, because he was getting in the way just like Gordo was. And
00:03:14
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Damn it. Sorry. I'm like, I'm forgetting what I was going to say specifically, but he's still a little fucker.
00:03:23
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Um, he missed us too. Yeah. That was like Pat telling me about his dog, that this but way he'll be like, Oh, my dad would go away. And then the dog would be like, hello. And then ignore him for 24 hours. Well, yeah. Fenner's been, yeah, he's a little standoffish, but then he's like,
00:03:43
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It's mom or whatever. Excited to see you come home. Okay, I forget what I was going to say specifically, but I'll come back to it.
Pirate Tales and Episode Structure
00:03:55
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um Alrighty then. Oh yeah, I guess we'll have to welcome them back to part two. Yeah.
00:04:07
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ah We live in a ah world filled with technical difficulties that seem to spring up at the most that too i unwelcome I don't know. Yeah. I know that was really annoying last time. I don't know what happened, but in the end it was probably good. I was like, wait, we have to do this. And I have a lot left to go and yeah who knows, but, um,
00:04:35
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We're back for more pirates. We're back. Hello, more pirates. That's right, because you're listening to the pirates episode and we hope you enjoyed our a dark cast interlude from our sister show there. ODFM on the last one. And maybe you just even heard a promo. I don't know who knows what we're going to put in this in the future.
00:05:03
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will probably feature another awesome show. um Yes, so part back to our part two about pirates. um Yes, we took a little break in recording this on a different day, but that's why I wrote down to myself that you yeah had a good segue, because you mentioned the
Anne Bonny: A Pirate's Life
00:05:23
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pirate I was going to talk about in one of your quotes at the end, actually. ah Yeah. What? Right?
00:05:32
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Yeah, you said something about folklore. Oh no, the cat. He's getting shoved. He's getting shoved. And just for me, the camera goes all shaky. Like I'm watching like Cloverfield or something, but it's just the cat.
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00:05:52
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Buddy. Don't try and bite me. Fuck you. Give me that face. ah One thing, this stupid dog, I was trying to remember what I was telling you about the silly dog, but we gave him a bath the other day. he You don't have to bathe them too often, Akitos. I mean, like the yeah, they have a weird like, we're like a duck and the water kind of like doesn't soak our, they just wicks off their like fur or whatever kind of.
00:06:24
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It's not bad. Like he used to keep himself pretty clean, kind of like a cat, but and it just got to the point where I'm like, it could see some dirt on his like white patch underneath his collar and then like be petting him or brushing him because he's shedding like mad. You know what they say about Akitas. They shed twice a year for six months. like And then I'd like take my hand off and I rubbed it against like my black shirt. There'd be like a film. I'm like, you're so dusty and like gross.
00:06:53
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And we gave him a little bath um in our big bathtub because it has a the spray thing or whatever, the nozzle. Oh, that's handy. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Because otherwise it's like we're just going to try to shove them in the shower or whatever. With a cop like he's a toddler.
00:07:14
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Let me just throw this cup down the back of the giant dog's head. Right? get the bo Like the basement shower has a couple nozzles so we could like shove them in. But anyway, yeah, we did it in the master bath and like, um yeah, he's the thing. And then he like came in this room in their little studio slash guest room and went on the bed here behind me after we like tried to dry him off a bit. And then he's just like,
00:07:39
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let me just rub all over this bed. I don't smell like myself. Fucking loves just like, yeah, rubbing himself all up in our bedsheets or, or yeah, we put, we'll put an extra one down on the top of the bed to be like, here's the dog blanket for when he climbs up on the bed and before we go to bed at night and we'll throw that one off to get all the dog hair. And then yeah, he like buries his head in it and he Looks so crazy, yeah so cute.
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oh
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I tell you. So a lot of what we know about Miss Ann Bonnie, who I'm going to be talking about, comes from a book. The book did it better. No. I have a pen that says something like that. The book was better.
00:08:34
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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's hard. But I guess it's not a novel. It's more of a pirate history book that was written by a guy named Captain Charles Johnson um in 1724. And it was called A General History of Pirates. And that was spelled with a Y. Pirates. Oh. Pyromania. Interesting. Yeah, I was just going to say pyromania.
00:09:03
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I know. It makes it look so weird. I like the tires. Yeah. Yes. Pirates. Interesting. I have to burn. o
00:09:16
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Pie rats, yes. Pie rats. You have to say it like that the whole time. Pie rats. Well, there was that children's book like The Richards Carry, and they run into some pie rats, and they are literal rats that are eating some pie. And that's always what I'm going to think of now when I say it like that. I mean, I like pie. I don't like rats. Cartoon rats. That's OK, then.
00:09:50
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who Um... Yeah, so I guess it's mostly her um origin story slash beginning that seems to mostly come from this book, so we're not really sure about it. It's not a lot of information. We're not sure how much we can put trust into it. Okay. um But that's where we get that she was, quote unquote, born in Ireland near Cork. And we don't know because no records of her birth were ever really found.
00:10:22
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So maybe. Maybe she was born. What's that? Maybe she was born where? No, just maybe she was born. Yeah, yeah. Oh, sorry. Yeah, it kind of glitched. Yeah, we think she was born around March 8th in 1697.
00:10:41
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um possibly in Kinsale, Ireland, but maybe not like who knows.
00:10:50
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And there's like a legend around her backstory that ah has Surrounding her birth, at which was that she was kind of illegitimate like her her daddy was a man Supposedly named William Cormac who is probably an attorney who kind of slept with the help. It's like oh Lord had sex with the housemaid. I mean Taylor's oldest time no But some say this a Scandal caused her father to then raise in as a boy to kind of disguise her birth origin, I guess
00:11:26
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It's weird. I know. It's a little dubious, right? Well, we didn't have a girl. We had a boy. And that's not it. No, I don't. It's kind of weird. And it can't be illegitimate if it's a boy. And I swear there's a few different versions that you read. So like, I don't know. Maybe I just didn't understand what was supposed to be weird. But illegitimate child of some sort, supposedly scandal, blah, blah, blah.
00:11:55
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um One source said, ah quote, Cormac separated from his wife following the discovery of his infidelity and later assumed custody of Anne. So she found out that he had a baby with the help, as you will, and whatever. and she So she like raised the other woman's baby?
00:12:23
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No, he went to raise her. Oh, yes. Yeah, like most sources said that her dad raised her. But again, I don't know. So follow it said following his cohabitation with her mother, he lost much of his clientele and the trio emigrated to Charlestown, now Charleston, South Carolina, where Anne's mother died a typhoid fever when Anne was 13 years old. Damn.
00:12:52
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yeah it doesn't sound like she had a great childhood whether she you know was brought up with her dad or as a boy or as some other sort of a legitimate child um so yes with this murky past uh it's unclear whether the reason is because anne's mother died uh at that point or because Anne outed herself as a girl, there was something suggesting it caused him to lose face and business contacts and clients. And that's why he moved to South Carolina and became a plantation owner. And that beat her father. Yeah.
00:13:43
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Unclear. But she has a reputation in America once she got there for being a bit vicious. Well, good for her. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, no, that's that's a good word for it. I mean, at least she like, yeah, we met in the 1700s. Be vicious.
00:14:03
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So allegedly she was defending herself, I think, against ah an attacker one time, like a would be rapist that was, you know, trying to sexually assault her. and yeah Yeah. Sorry.
00:14:16
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can snap his eyes out Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is before she's a pirate. But she kicked his ass so bad that he quote, lay ill of it for a considerable time.
00:14:30
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um Okay, which led people to call her fierce and courageous. So yeah she laid him out for sure um okay so this is still in america when she was about 16 her dad tried to set her up with a local man he wanted her to marry um but she went her own way and found a man she liked called john bonnie he was a sailor and they sailed off to new providence together nice um she's like no daddy no
00:15:07
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Uh, but there her husband became an informant for the governor of the Bahamas, uh, privateer Woods Rogers.
Women and Pirates: Societal Views
00:15:15
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So that's this privateer guy's name's name, Woods Rogers. And it's really weird to say, oh and I'm going to have to say it again.
00:15:27
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Uh, yeah, his first name is Woods. Just so you know. That's kind of a last name. I know. Kind of thing. Interesting. It's like, I have two first names or like two last names. Exactly. So around here, she ran into one Calico Jack, Rackham in Nassau, where he went looking for a pardon. I think you had some people in Nassau. It's in the Bahamas. Yeah. We'd be all around there. I know.
00:16:05
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All in the same places. It's pretty cool. Yeah, I love all the pirate haunts. Yeah. So Anne Bonny met Jack there around May of 1719. And from what I could glean by the summer of the next year, they were requesting a wife sale from her husband, her current husband.
00:16:31
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What's a wife sale? I was like, apparently it's just like exactly that. It's a sum of cash given in exchange for a divorce. So she wanted to divorce the Bonnie guy. And so she could be with Calico Jack Rackham. OK.
00:16:53
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Um, apparently it happened around this time. I don't know. And don't get me started. They were so weird about divorce back in the day. And they're like, but religiously you can't in the eyes of God. And you're like, what? Yeah. So her husband, uh, John Bonnie refused, but also this pal of his, as it so happened, this governor Woods Rogers again.
00:17:20
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had heard of this, or was possibly told by a Richard Tumley, and he was furious at the treatment of his bro Bonnie.
00:17:31
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He said if Anne did not go back to Bonnie, he would have her thrown into prison and have Jack whip her himself What? I think it's like a very outlander to me. I'm like, who is this Captain and Jack Randall, who's a sadist? He just wants to see everyone flogged.
00:17:54
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um So they're like, shit, let's go take off and run away and join the pirates. Nice. Yeah.
00:18:06
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Sometimes people just want to get divorced. Yeah, let people divorce. Jesus Christ. Oh my god. 90% of true crime cases could be solved with fucking divorce. I know it's like, okay, from the time we were still beheading people because they couldn't just be like, I can't just divorce them the church, and you know, we're still there. Yeah, just get a divorce. Or at least that's are separate merch slogan. Yeah.
00:18:36
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Yeah, just get a divorce. Someday, guys, I still have merch dreams. Tell us what slogans you like. o um Also, our logo is cute, damn it. Yeah, it is.
00:18:54
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so Yeah, one quote said, in August of 1720, Anne Bonny abandoned her husband and assisted Rackham, as in Calico Jack, in commandeering the sloop, William, from Nassau Harbor on New Providence. Along with a dozen others, the pair began pirating merchant vessels along the coast of Jamaica. Rackham's decision to have Bonny accompany him was highly unusual, as women were considered bad luck aboard ship. Which we've all probably heard now.
00:19:25
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women. Yeah. Unless they're carved out of wood on the mast, isn't that? The front of the ship? I don't know if ship words. Oh yeah, the ship head, ship figurehead or something. And the one guy that Claire's sailing with in one of the Outlanders was like,
00:19:50
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You guys are so bad luck. That's why the ship figurehead bears her breast. We should have you bear your breasts too, if we're, you know, and knew what we were good for. Yeah. She was like, ow. Great. Yeah. and Um, yeah, obviously. Yeah. The guys were.
00:20:12
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pirate guys and uh there weren't a lot of females aboard but Anne Bonny ended up having a good friend that joined the band that was also a female pirate and her name was Mary Reed um and like she comes up in almost every article about Anne oh and there's Mary um It's also a very common name. I'm sure after I started these notes, I was going to say I've heard Mary Read for something so they don't think it's related to pirates. I was sure I processed a few people's license plates, registrations, and their name was Mary Read after I read this. I was like, oh yeah, this is a common name. It keeps coming up.
00:21:00
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um But yeah, they definitely hung out together. They um possibly were also lumped together because her backstory ah seems to be similar to Anne Bonny's, but again, we don't know a lot about Anne Bonny's being true.
00:21:17
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and so Maybe this is more true, I don't know, but with Mary, her father was a sailor that died at sea, presumably by drowning. He was like lost at sea, never came home from his voyage. um And she was born in 1695 England.
00:21:37
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ah And also, but but most of her backstory is also derived from Captain Charles Johnson's A General History of the Robberies and Murders of the Most Notorious Pirates.
Mary Read and Pirate Comparisons
00:21:51
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Pirates. Pirates. The rats are a pie.
00:21:56
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Who knows what tale this guy was trying to spin when he was writing this thing? Yeah, I find it interesting. He wrote such a book. Yeah. And it's also really old. It's like, really? Is this the best account we have with their history, something that was like written? True. Sometimes you're like questioning when it's written so many years after they were gone. And surprisingly, this one when it just had her spoiler alert death date for Mary in April of 1721. And then this book comes out in 1724. It wasn't that long after. Hopefully you would oh recall some truth and not embellish it too much. you know Yeah. Okay, so according to that book,
00:22:49
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Reed's mother was married to a sailor with whom she had a son. After the man deserted the family, she had an affair that resulted in the birth of Mary. So following the death of her half-brother, Mary was passed off as the deceased the boy in order to receive money from his paternal grandmother. Okay. Now we'd be scamming people.
00:23:12
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they do and when i read that i was like this does sound familiar and they were just also like i think doing the best or like you know that mary's mom could i mean there was not facial recognition no so guess she's being passed off as her like older half yeah interesting yeah very um i don't know royal fuckery wore the roses shit
00:23:44
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um So Mary was 13 when the elder woman died, ah so meaning the grandmother that she had been posing as a boy for. ah yeah But the young girl continued to dress as a boy. She later worked as a servant before journeying to Flanders to serve in the military. In Flanders' fields, the poppies grow.
00:24:08
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um During this time, she met another soldier and after revealing her true sex, they later married. Very Mulan.
00:24:18
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very well Mulan, yes! At first I was like, wait, Mulan Rouge? It takes me a minute. Mulan. Right. The guy the whole time is just like, am I just attracted to this other soldier? They're like, oh wait, it's okay.
00:24:37
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It's okay. It's heteronormative, guys. Yeah. So it's okay in Disney's world. No. Oh, I said it. Oh, oh my God. So yes. Yeah, it was a... I mean, it happens, right? That women doing things we want to do before society thought we could do them. Oh, yeah.
00:25:03
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um So, oh yeah, so she revealed her true self. They later married and apparently opened an inn near Breda, Netherlands, um but Reed's husband died. Mwah, mwah. So after that she went back to living as a man and worked as a sailor before making her debut in the pirate's life when her ship was captured by pirates in the West Indies.
00:25:31
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um And That kind of brought her to a privateer slash buccaneer, which was just one step closer to being a pirate. Yeah. Yeah, I wish I was. Yeah, I don't really understand. I'm always like, aren't privateers just kind of like government sanctioned pirates, you know? Yeah, pretty much. And then.
00:25:55
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a For Buccaneer, I was like, just clicked on the definition because, you know, me, I love my etymology and was like, what the fuck is it, really? Like, yeah. um Buccaneer said English, French, or Dutch sea adventurer who haunted chiefly the Caribbean and the Pacific seaboard of South America, preying on Spanish settlements and shipping during the second half of the 17th century. So seems like they worked that specific area. Yeah.
00:26:27
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Okay. and It said in their own day, buccaneers were usually called privateers. The word buccaneer came into use after the publication in 1684 of buccaneers of America. It's spelled differently. I don't know. It looks French. Buckineers. No, that was terrible.
00:26:49
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Um, oh, it says the English translation of day America and zero verse by the Dutchman Alexander Esquilman, whose work was a fecund source of tales of these men. I included that quote and it was a lot. I didn't understand what half those words were.
00:27:14
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I was like, why is this all the German name for it? Yeah. So too long didn't read. Buccaneers are basically privateers. That's all we need to know.
00:27:29
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Okay, so um Mary read rather because we had we diverted into her backstory. She landed in New Providence seeking the same pardon that Calico Jack had actually been after in the area, which was a royal edict that would pardon any pirate who surrendered. Anyone at all? Nice.
00:27:49
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I mean, yeah, okay. It's unclear if she accepted the offer, but soon she began privateering for go Governor Rogers, that Woods Rogers guy. So presumably she's in the good graces of the government or whatever.
00:28:09
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Alas, soon after that ship, that crew and ship she was on, uh, they all mutinied and she was full pirate now. Snip, snop, snip.
00:28:21
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Just like, we don't want to be privateers. We want to be pirates. But I love it because like so many times in Atlanta they get on a ship and they're like, I don't know what the fuck is going to happen before we get to like the other continent. And then like a bunch of shit goes down, you know, and you're like, holy crap. This stuff really happened where they're like, by the way, we're a British warship. We can press you guys all into service and you're our, you know, like soldiers now or whatever. you're like Yeah, I would just stay on land. I would find a little island and then.
00:28:56
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I don't know. She'd be a landlubber forevermore. Yeah. No, it's rough.
00:29:06
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a So as it happens, when Anne Bonny finally met Mary Reed, Mary was still dressed as Mark because she ah went as a man when she was on board. Okay.
00:29:22
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So this caused a little confusion when Bonnie, who was known as being kind of like hella horny, promiscuous, said- Oh no! Sup, Mark? You up? She just like popped into his tent and it was like, you DTF?
00:29:43
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and Mary was like, hell no, bruh. I have a vagina. I was gonna say, I have a nanny, not an outie. I kept thinking of the Barbie scene where she's like, I don't have a vagina. I just have to tell you. And then Ken goes, I have all the genitals. Is that what he said? I'm pretty sure that's what he says, maybe. We all know you're not anatomically correct. And it's like, no, you're not, Ken.
00:30:17
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low good lucky when he's i'm on all the twitters all of them yeah i love that one too ah okay yeah so that's kind of a fun part in the story most people are like haha they were gonna be lovers but no one of them's a girl and they're like oh let's just be friends
00:30:42
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Um, so they did become such close friends. In fact, that, uh, Calico Jack got a little jelly himself, especially cause Mary's still, well, she's still dressing as Mark. So he thinks it's another guy that, oh and spending all her time with, I mean, you know, heteronormative bullshit, but he's like, saying what did he think of all of this? Yeah. I don't know. He's just like, Oh, that's my woman.
00:31:12
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But when he got so jealous and he's like, I'm going to kill Mark, like Bon Ann, I love you, woman. They're like, no, no, no. We're just like girlfriends, seriously. And they revealed that Mark was actually Mary. Wow. And they were three musketeers of Mary Trio ever after, sort of.
00:31:36
Speaker
At one point they took the William, that ship they were on, for a search for that Richard Tumley, who may have given them up to the governor, the woods, roads, whatever the fuck his name is.
00:32:03
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So before we had a technical glitch, where did we get to? um
00:32:13
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I'm going to say it's at the top of this page, because I don't think we talked about, at some point, Anne got pregnant with Jack's child. And they weren we did not hang up their pirate hat and iPad just yet.
00:32:26
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um
00:32:29
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um So when Rackham, like Calico Jack, found out that she was pregnant, he left her in Cuba to deliver the baby.
00:32:41
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I'm trying to spin it so positive. I don't know. There are several theories about what happened to Ann's first child. Some people think that she just abandoned her. Some believe that Calico had a friend with a with a family in Cuba who agreed to raise their child.
00:32:58
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and some even believe that her child died at birth. so Pretty unclear, unfortunately, again. um ah History, so frustrating.
00:33:11
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but they are not and like as unclear about the exploits of their crew and their pirating. So, quote, the exploits of the crew aboard the William had not gone unnoticed by Rogers, who soon set prior sent to privateer Captain Jonathan Barnett in pursuit. Good old Woods Rogers, sending people in pursuit. um On November 15th, 1720, Barnett caught up with the William at
00:33:42
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Negril Point in Jamaica, save Bonnie and Reed who fiercely battled their pursuers.
Capture and Trials of Bonny and Read
00:33:48
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The corsairs were too inebriated to resist and the crew was captured and brought to Spanish town Jamaica for trial.
00:33:58
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So any quotes I could find, no matter which way you slice it, they basically said that, yeah, the guys were too drunk to resist and just were captured.
00:34:13
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Oh, you know, you're like, oh, and prompt maybe the girls weren't because they were pregnant, but also at the same time, it was the 1700s. So apparently people were pretty drunk when they were pregnant, too, according to Outlander. Yeah. Another source said they were aboard onboard Calico Jack's anchored ship, the Revenge, at the time of the attack.
00:34:40
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which is sometimes said to be October, not November. And either way, it seems they were tried in Port Royal, which I've heard a Port Royal in all the pirate, piratey things before, right? Court out. Be banished. Walk the plank.
00:35:01
Speaker
Is Port Royal not the one that went under? So I like that show where they're like, if we could look at the bottom of the oceans and there was like a whole town in the Caribbean that was like, got washed under and they're like, Oh, it's cause it was all pirates. They were doomed by God. And it was like, I think it was for oil. Interesting. Quote me on that guys, correct me. um So,
00:35:31
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They were, okay, yeah, that's where they were tried in Port Royal, whether or not we're undersea. Another version said in August of 1720, Reed and her crewmates commandeered the 12-ton sloop William from Nassau Harbor on New Providence Island. The following month, the governor of the Bahamas declared that the hijackers, both Reed and Bonnie being specifically named, were enemies to the crown of Great Britain.
00:35:58
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They're unlike the most wanted list. Capture those women! Yeah.
00:36:06
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The stolen vessel was located by privateer Jonathan Barnett in October. According to legend, a number of pirates were inebriated and Rackham quickly surrendered. The two women, however, refused and fought their would-be captors until finally being overwhelmed.
00:36:24
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The pirates were taken to Jamaica, and in November 1720, the male crew members were tried, convicted, and hanged. On November 28, the two women went on trial, and they were also convicted and sentenced to death. However, both Reed and Bonnie were pregnant, causing their executions to be postponed. Until they're not pregnant, because we only care about children's lives.
00:36:52
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it's weird it's like a very like ah anti-abortion and sort of like we could kill you but that kid's innocent so that is you know question yeah i just find it funny they're like we'll kill you after the child's born and leave that child's motherless because fuck you but who sends it all yeah oh capital punishment um If you can hear any thumping, this is just Gordo like throwing a tantrum in the background. I think I did actually. Boom, boom, boom, boom with his tail all pouty-like. That's funny. It's our background music. like Don't, don't, don't, don't. You should get another one. No, I'm just kidding. My mom's two cats and then one of them's
00:37:52
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a little crazier. He's a little more likely to stay out when they let them out for a little afternoon evening venture in the woods. where They're like, where's Gabe? The black one's not back yet. I think Gordo was peeing and pooping on my couch and everything to mark his territory and when I had him and Bailey at the same time. So. What? Yeah. Wow. Even like that was kind of recently. Ah.
00:38:23
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No, it was like a few years now because I got Gordo right before we went to Vegas. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's crazy.
00:38:38
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um That's like a timeline event for me where I'm like, pre Vegas, post Vegas. Cause I'm like post Vegas. I like had to get a new car. Cause immediately and we came home and someone hit me. Cause I remember when I went, my parents still had to keep Gordo and Bailey separated. Um, cause I hadn't had them like trying to, I was like introducing Gordo to Bailey still.
00:39:07
Speaker
Yeah. Cause Bailey was at your house. Yeah. Yeah. She had been at my house for years. So yeah, I was like introducing them to each other over like the weeks. And then I think it was what the last week they were going to be kept separated or so was like the week I was kind of gone or we were gone in Vegas. And then when I came home, I think they kept it just for a couple of days for them to get settled. And then I was like, okay, I like can't do another month of this. Like just gotta rip the band-aid off cause.
00:39:37
Speaker
And then yeah that's crazy it only lasted maybe a week or so. And then it was like, nope, they can't live together. This is crazy. I thought it was Bailey that was doing it because Gordo was cornering her a lot. And she was basically always on the couch because she was afraid to jump on the floor because he was always on the floor.
00:40:00
Speaker
But yeah, so I thought it was yeah i thought it was Bailey because you couldn't get to the litter box or something. And that's why one of them was peeing and pooping on the couch like every day. But no, it was Gordo because after she left and went to live with my parents, he did it for like another week. And I was like, you little dick. Like you weren't actually on the couch all the time. Yes.
00:40:28
Speaker
Like, and I've had the cat or we ended up having a cat that was like, well, that has to stay with you because you guys have the other cat and and this cat can't be alone. And so you're like, okay, so do they want to be with people or, you know, another cat or whatever? And then you're like, but wait, maybe they don't want that. Yeah. Cause my brother and sister in law constantly took Gordo to like their friend's houses or had their friends over that had like had kids, babies, cats, dogs, everything all the time. Oh yeah, they really tried to socialize him. Yeah. Yeah. And he was fine with everybody. So I don't know. Right. He has his moments. He's like, I want to be alone.
00:41:17
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Oh yeah, tell me about it. Our dog is so fucking high maintenance. ah oh Yeah, Gordo can be too.
00:41:29
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but so Okay, they were in prison, so we're almost at the end.
00:41:40
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Uh, okay. So when all the men pirates were in jail, a waiting trial and sort know but just like literally locked knocks something over we're in jail and they're all waiting trial. And then Anne and Mary are the the women that might be spared because they are pregnant.
00:42:06
Speaker
Anne was allowed in to see Jack Rackham one last time, where she apparently left him with some choice parting words, ah where she said, I'm sorry to see you here, but if you fought like a man, you need not be hanged like a dog. What? OK, you also got captured. OK, so come down. I don't know. It seems really rough. and She says that.
00:42:36
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I'm having your baby. But by the way, you're a coward. Yeah. I thought you would have gone in there and been like, get me double pregnant.
00:42:50
Speaker
I have another execution to get through. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see how many times, how long I could be constantly pregnant for. ah Yeah, exactly. It's not just like the what, you know, we women had to do back in those days. That was our purpose. Yeah, just keep popping them up and then you can't kill me. I'm constantly carrying them. that It's all your fault, not Henry VIII. Yeah.
00:43:20
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ah
00:43:24
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Buddy, come on. Cora, listen up. We're almost done.
00:43:33
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So according to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography,
00:43:40
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she had Calico Jack's second child after she got out of prison.
Legacy and Pirate Influence
00:43:45
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So remember they kind of had that first one that we forgot about, now she had the second one. Interesting. So yes, she but then she got herself a new husband, Joseph Burle. And ah Anne lived on happily in South Carolina Carolina, Carolina, to the age of 84 and was buried there on April 1782. I know. Sorry, 84 back then is like 180 now.
00:44:20
Speaker
I mean, yeah. Considering you were both sentenced to death and shouldn't have lived this forever. Yes, exactly. Yeah, I think the thing was like, You were hard-pressed to survive childhood back then, but once you did! Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if they could take you down. And then, like, survive having a child to medicine what it was. Rub a leech on it. She survived, yeah, being in prison, and men, and... Damn. So, an interesting...
00:44:59
Speaker
A thing that was brought up in the the one source was about different female pirates that came before these two that they might have kind of been inspired by. Okay, cool. I know of one that I heard about. I don't know their name, but I'm pretty sure she's Chinese or something. Oh, I don't think I have that one.
00:45:25
Speaker
I didn't specifically look up older pirates. One of my sources was like academic like paper. I was like, right? Sometimes you're like, I can't read all 400 pages of this, but I love it. Thank you. No, it was great. Oh yeah, if I didn't shout it out, I wrote it down because and our sources.
00:45:50
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um oh yeah like it had a website because it came up obviously but it was like a scholarly article by a ah ryan or ryan because there's two ends sholte and it was called but of their own free will and consent and it was on female pirates so it that's it was a good source yeah so there's my little shout out um and i think that's where they he talked about um He, I believe. Ryan, ryanne I don't know. But there was a Princess Avilda of Sweden in the 12th century who turned to piracy when she was just facing an unwanted arranged marriage, which I think happened to so many people then. ah Cool.
00:46:39
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um Yeah, I'm like, I have to cover her. So ah she sounded cool. There's also tales of an Irish pirate called Grace O'Malley, a daughter of a pair of, quote, mercantile parents with piratical practices. Piratical? Did we already use that word in this episode? Did we?
00:47:01
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me I was like, I love it. and That's a wild word. By radical practices. I know. I'm like, is that correct? I will use that again. That's by radical.
00:47:16
Speaker
She sounded so cool, though. Sorry, it sounds awesome. But like this Grace O'Malley person, they said that she waged some sort of personal war, quote unquote, against Britain sort of thing where she was arrested several times. She was pulled out of prison by Elizabeth I herself and then given to work as Her Majesty's privateer. I guess they were just like arrested her so many times. they' like She's just come work for me. We gave her a license to kill. She was good at it. You're just going to keep doing it anyway.
00:47:54
Speaker
All right. Finally, um there was another mention of a utopian pirate paradise, you know, that could have possibly inspired some of these pirate ladies. And I thought it sounded a little interesting, so I wanted to include a bit.
00:48:12
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This place was called either Libertalia or someplace's Libertashia, I guess you might say.
Libertalia and Pirate Utopias
00:48:22
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Yeah.
00:48:23
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Uh, Bartland. No. It was an alleged colony on the coast of Madagascar where pirates self govern. And it comes from a book as the main source, Kel Suprise, the second edition Captain Charles Johnson's A General History of the Robberies and Murders the Most No-Tiberate Pirates. Notorious. At first I thought you were going to talk about whatever the island is that's for Wonder Woman.
00:48:53
Speaker
Oh yeah, like her home islander world. It's all women. I was like, but all women pirates. I literally can't remember what her world is called, but and it sounds pretty like amazingly free.
00:49:12
Speaker
yeah According to men. i I tell you, I watch Barbie. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, we did. don't get me started yeah i know i will tangent later but there's been so many things i've been trying it i've been like oh i'll tell kelsey i watched that or i read that once we get on mic and then i just like oh no we don't can't remember yeah Well, that too, or I'm like, I don't want a tangent, but I did read Black Dagger Brotherhood, so we'll have to talk about that. Oh my God, yes. Okay, let's cancel this episode right now and let's just get into... I finally succeeded. It only took, what, eight years to get you to read one of the fucking books? I know, that'd be like you being like, I read Outlander. No.
00:50:03
Speaker
No, there's always one in like the library or whatever, but I just told you, I was like, Oh, I'll read the first one. Cause confusing. Cause there's like 17 million. Um, but basically just, I found one that was like an early, like it was in library and then when I looked, I was like, Oh, this one's pretty early. It's not like number one, but it might be like number five. So I'll read it. And it was pretty good. Which one was it? It was called lover unbound. And it was with, uh, the vampire named vicious.
00:50:33
Speaker
And I must say she really loves adding H's to her fucking people's names. Everyone has an H. Fury with an FH or a pH. yeah What, what a one to start on. Oh my god. Well, I was like, I started other things. I started the Will Trent series. I was not and the first one. And you know, they usually kind of explain other things that have happened. ah Sort of.
00:51:02
Speaker
I know you're right. I usually do really like to start a series from the beginning. I am i am kind of pure that way. I get it. I get it. And I will. I will. But at least I start with the one that I have in my possession that I think my mom bought for me. That's the 11th one. It's like, yeah. Did you remember which one it was? I was like, I know. I was way further down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely not like the ah first to the fifth one.
00:51:33
Speaker
Yeah, what do I want to start on? Damn. No, they're good, though. They have a pretty good balance. There's like lore, but there's also romance. It's good. I liked it. Yeah. I like the the world. I'm still waiting. They haven't said much about the TV show, but they're supposed to be doing casting right now for it. Oh, that'd be exciting.
00:52:00
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see. It's like the casting, so they asked for like people to like recommend people and stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. Let's go. Okay.
00:52:18
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was pretty good. You gotta go to the beginning, though. I hope ah really do. Yeah, it'll make it a lot more sense.
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, there was the the the one I told you about that's called like the Dark Immortal series, I think by like Crassley Cole. And i I found it was similar where it had like, you know, it's got the vamps, it's got kind of some other other worldly creatures that are like sort of werewolf or sort of just like immortals, because she has ones that's called Immortals After Dark, and it was pretty good, too, you might like it. But
00:52:59
Speaker
Anyway, I did laugh because she had some ah quotes and stuff where I was like, What did this book come out? Now this seems so interesting. Yeah. There's a lot of talking about listening to Jay-Z and Ludacris and everybody always laughs at that. it's Older, older references. Yeah. Where I was like, this is from a movie from like, I don't even know. Would Kelsey even know? Yeah. I think at one point they talk about using, the they're using blackberries because they don't trust iPhone. It was like, oh, but honey, blackberries don't exist. Yes.
00:53:40
Speaker
Exactly. That's so funny nowadays, you'll read a book where like all of a sudden the text seems out of date and you're like, wow, this is only like from 20 years ago. Yeah, it's just funny because in the world of their story, until the last book, everything had taken place in like, I don't know, seven years. And i was like oh then they did like a big time jump. So you're just like, ah, you guys are talking to ludicrous. And the second last book you're talking and suddenly, but post Malone, it's like, what the fuck? Oh my God.
00:54:09
Speaker
But before that, for like two thousand years, all they knew was like ludicrous. Yeah. Minstrels and some of them don't know how to have sex. OK. All right. Just to finish out this weird Libertalia story. Yeah. Yeah, hi I read Island. Sort of, I guess.
00:54:39
Speaker
Buddy, you're cute. Oh, the Gordo. The founders of this place were a man named Captain James Mission, another captain. They're always captains. They're always on mission. No. Mission. I know it's all the same as Amazing. ah He met a Dominican priest whose name was is very Italian, so I'm going to go with Caracoli.
00:55:10
Speaker
So there's a lot of C's. On the French privateering ship Victoire, which means victory, and this free the thinking priest was a diast, which is a word I did not know and means a person who believes that organized religion is used to control the masses.
00:55:33
Speaker
Oh. A diast. Yeah. I don't think I've ever heard that word, but that's interesting. I know, right? That's what I thought. I can see that. I feel that. I know, I know. I was like, yeah, atheist. There's also sorts of ones that people I can sort of identify with. um And also someone just said that on the damn Umbrella Academy. No, what was it? i that like The religion is used to control the masses. No, we were rewatching Dune also. And she was like,
00:56:09
Speaker
ah religion no she doesn't trust him anymore yeah timothy chalamet that is okay pat put on like the first one like on sunday and then like ah hours later we had a break and then he like put on the other one i was like oh my god yeah Three more hours of dune.
00:56:33
Speaker
oh I remember to have this, the one podcaster from the Neat Cast, Mike, he was like, it's like the first one is all edgy. It's much more release. I was like, yeah, it's more exciting. Oh, that's why it's part one and part two.
00:56:55
Speaker
don't get me started. ah The other podcast was like Vin Diesel considers the Fast X and Fast and the Furies they're like Lord of the Rings and like how Fast X was like number one and it's part one of three and you know there's more coming and you're like no it's part like 10. You idiot.
00:57:20
Speaker
Oh my god, that's hilarious. No, it's seriously funny though. You should listen to the, um, it's like called, how did this get made? And it's a bunch of funny comedic actors. And then they're like, they have Adam Scott on for like all the fast and furious ones. Cause apparently he's weirdly obsessed with them. They talk about how stupid they are, but also amazing. You know, it's, it's good. It's called, yeah. How did this get made? I mean, yeah.
00:57:51
Speaker
They're like, why is it in Fast X? They're like, now they've killed off fucking Brian, the character, and because he never comes to help them, he's just an asshole forevermore because they haven't killed him off like his real guy is, but his character's not dead. So now he's just like an asshole. And then why did they name little Brian after this friend of theirs that's not dead? Little B is named after Brian. He's apparently not a dead, dead guy.
00:58:20
Speaker
I thought he was dead, didn't they? Well, Paul Walker is dead, but they didn't kill his character off. They didn't? Oh. No, they had him drive off into the sunset and be like, I have to be busy with my wife and my kids from now on. But his wife and kid get back into the movies. That's why it's so stupid. Oh, OK. I guess I never like clicked in that. Honestly, I watched them during COVID back to back and was like,
00:58:48
Speaker
though it was until they were talking about stuff where they're like they named the kid after the uncle who's not dead that real was like wow yeah this is really stupid that's hilarious it is you should um listen to that podcast how did this get made because it's a bunch of funny um comedic actors okay what did we say not much about the island yes uh yes the island the pirate island um okay there was a quote so i'm just trying to get back to my place when the ship's captain was killed during a battle at sea mission was proclaimed the victoire's new leader
00:59:40
Speaker
In a rousing speech, Caracoli and Mission convinced the French, Dutch, English, and African sailors to throw off their official French chains and become pirates of no nation devoted to a higher cause. They're going to be a little vigilante. yeah Fast and furious.
01:00:02
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As we then do not proceed upon the same ground with pirates, who are men of dissolute lives of no principles, let us scorn to take their colours. Ours is a brave, a just, an innocent, and a noble cause, the cause of liberty.
01:00:17
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the cabin doors were left open and the bulkhead which was of canvas rolled up the steerage being full of men who lent an attentive ear they cried liberty liberty we are free men viva the the brave captain mission and the noble lieutenant kara coley um
01:00:39
Speaker
Viva la France, no. So they then took off to toward African southern coast where they swashbuckled and fought sea battles with merchant and slave ships alike all along the coast of the Cape of Good Hope. And as they did, they freed enslaved people and maligned sailors along the way. And they left the captains alive and well. So they kind of bolstered their ranks by being like, we're going to take over your ship. but We're not going to kill your captain. We're just going to take you guys. ah Very nice. ah Yeah, I think they were relatively like, ah cool. Compared to what they could have been doing. ah So bulging with booty, they made their way to the Comoros island, to the island of Johanna, now known as Anjuan. I don't know if that's how you say it. But there they offered their service up to Queen Helene, helping her defeat her brother who was vying for her throne.
01:01:39
Speaker
literal Game of Thrones. Gordo, what are you doing? I'm having an earthquake. to church yeah like ah screen vibrating and I'm just sitting oh i was like, There's something going wrong. Oh no, I think it's just Gordo itching himself maybe. I think he's just cleaning between his toes. Oh my God.
01:02:04
Speaker
Licking between his toes, but his back is like against the laptop. river Oh my god, don't get me started. I want to clip Finn's nails. Also, that the hair between his toe pads gets really long. Yeah, man. And Pat's like, that's probably why he slips along the floors. What can you do?
01:02:28
Speaker
um some married the women there and stayed on while others left after her throne was secured once more uh game of thrones you win or you die or you get married you fuck or you die
01:02:47
Speaker
ah fuck Mary Kill. Okay. But it's all three in rapid succession. Oh no, Henry VIII. You didn't have to go through all of the things. What is it? Mary beheaded died. Mary beheaded survived.
01:03:07
Speaker
I've been listening to a lot of like two-door stuff and reading. I read The White Princess, which I guess got a TV show. I don't know.
01:03:18
Speaker
Jodie Comer, actually, might end up watching it. Is it the last duel? Is that what you mean? you know It's called The White Princess. um ah Based on the book, there's also one called The White Queen. She also wrote one called like The Other Bolin Girl. She's done a bunch of historical fiction, I guess. yeah I know I didn't know she like wrote books based on, I was gonna say based on the movies, but you know what I mean?
01:03:51
Speaker
Okay, I will finish. Others followed Captain Mission and Priest. Ooh, what was his name? Camelanos, I don't know, to Madagascar, who took their new wives with them instead. Quote, the men named this new settlement Libertalia. They shed their old nationalities and called themselves Liberi. They began to fashion their own language, a mixture of the various native tongues and local dialects. Around this time, they met up with the very real Englishman, Captain Thomas II T.E.W.
01:04:27
Speaker
A privateer turned pirate who joined Libertalia along with his men. The Liberi began to construct a town out of the wilds of Madagascar. The men who had stayed in Johanna arrived with their wives and young children. As the colony grew, some men went out with Captain Two and other leaders to continue continue hunting down merchant and slave ships in the Indian Ocean.
01:04:55
Speaker
It's a journal, right? Within a few years, the colony was flourishing with farmland cleared and sown with crops and a herd of 300 black cattle. Damn. I know. After a time, tensions grew between the de facto leaders and their different opinions. So they got together and decided to mock democracy was the way. It's the way. We'll fix everything.
01:05:23
Speaker
But that didn't last that long. One day while Captain Two was at sea, Native people attacked Libertalia. Karakoli and many other Liberis were killed. Captain Mission fled with 40 men in a trove of treasure booty. He met with Captain Two, who urged them all to go to America. Mission did not want to start over there. He was too disheartened from the failed settlement here.
01:05:51
Speaker
So not long after Captain Mission and the Victoire went down in a violent storm, ah laying him to rest at sea once and for all. So him and his ship, he went down with his ship.
01:06:06
Speaker
I know. Historians and there's no pirates were found in Johanna and Madagascar's ill Saint Marie, where a pirate cemetery still stands. Cemetery still stands. That's hard to say. Yeah. Maybe many were vulnerable to the call of the pirate life, especially as the sailor's life was so hard back then. And maybe now I said, LOL, listen to this. OK, let's see what I put in quotes.
01:06:35
Speaker
ah The scholar Marcus Rediker believes that the values exposed in the tale of Captain Mission were similar to those held by many pirate crews. During the 16th and 17th centuries, the common sailor's life was very difficult. According to Redeker, one observer said, being in a ship is being in jail with a chance of being drowned. A man in jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.
01:07:05
Speaker
I think I had to include that, because I thought it was a damn harsh critic. yeah Like nowadays I know it's better, but also I'm like, my sister's still a sailor, technically. I'm like, how do you feel about that? That's rough. Yeah. You're at jail at sea. In jail at sea. Wow.
Podcast Reflections and Future Plans
01:07:30
Speaker
Oh my god. Oh my gosh. I just love doing these like,
01:07:38
Speaker
historical fun slash criminal dives. You know, Spotify. Cool. Sorry for pirates. Yes. Stuff I hadn't heard about. I hadn't heard about yours. I hadn't heard about mine. No, I was going to say Spotify considers this a comedy historical whatever pod. And I'm like, oo oh, look at you not just calling us true crime now. ah Oh.
01:08:07
Speaker
I know. It kind of says our categories. We're so historical, guys. I know. But at the same time, I'm like, how do you even know what to categorize us as? If you go more like this, it's like, I don't know. I'm like, literally, there's 10,000 other paranormal and true crime shows. But until we've had enough listens or ratings, you're going to be like, I don't know what's like this.
01:08:35
Speaker
It's like, fuck you, Spotify. Yeah, it's the most like CNN's podcast or something. More like this. It recommends like, yeah, I don't know, like how to tie a knot podcast. You're like, but what does that have to do with us? Okay, maybe we we're a little educational. Yeah, I know.
01:09:00
Speaker
Too funny. Well, I'm really excited for next week too. I'm glad we got this one done. Um, hope you guys enjoyed. Yeah. What are we talking about next week? Well, aliens, do you know what aliens you're talking about? Cause I think I knew. Oh, I have no idea. Have I got around to that yet? Hell yeah.
01:09:25
Speaker
We are flying by the seat of our pants, baby. I'll try and look. We'll see. I'm closing tomorrow, so I don't know. Chelsea always comes up with the best stuff, even if she has four hours to do her notes. No, I don't know.
01:09:43
Speaker
Yeah, work sucks, though. I get it. Yeah. oh No, I know. That's what we've heard. Paying bills, being an adult, the worst.
01:09:55
Speaker
telling you guys. So people just being nice to me at work today and I was depressed and we're talking at lunchtime and stuff and then like, what did they say? Someone asked me how the podcast is going. I'm like, yeah but so very good. no, it's good. It's just, it's a lot of work and Sometimes it feels like part time drama you don't get paid for. I was like, damn, I probably never sounded so depressed to them. Part time volunteer game.
01:10:39
Speaker
It's so funny because I love recording it with you. I love telling you these stories. And there's some parts I enjoy so much. And then I'm like, Oh, you want our podcast to be good. And you want me to like go on social media, and promote it. And sometimes I'm just like, I can't, I can't do that right now. Sounds like so much work. Right? Yeah, my god it's terrible.
01:11:06
Speaker
But I'm gonna try to make a post because we should promote, um you know, We didn't have like a new episode for us last episode, but it was a dark cast show. It was a really fun one. And then if people are still waiting for us, I don't know by the time they're listening to this, but we appeared on yield crime, the crack, the cramp word episode. Yes. And that's out now. So i ah yeah, it's been, it was fun. We tried to guess some weird words and I don't know. You're terrible. i yeah
01:11:42
Speaker
I think so too. No, I think I am too. Not you. But also I know that I was like, I'm really competitive sometimes that I wanted to do good because I think I am a word nerd. And then I'm like, I don't know what that means. That's a weird old timey fucking slang that I have no idea. Yeah. That's what's fun about that show is they're like, what's a Wally Ganger? And you're like, I don't know. yeah Maybe it's this.
01:12:11
Speaker
All right. So you guys go check that out and we will be back next week with our, did we tell them what it was? Yeah. Aliens. Okay. Always comes back to aliens. All right. So until next time, keep it cryptic. Bye.
01:12:48
Speaker
Alana again. You've now listened to the episode and as you might have noticed it got cut off. We had issues right in the middle when I was talking about Mary Reed and Anne Bonny and Calico Jack and yeah it's too bad. I should have gone back and made sure I reread the where it got cut off because it was quite the moment when they're all getting to know each other more because Mark has to reveal himself as Mary due to Jack's jealousy etc etc. And then we just went on to Anne's children which was fine but also I didn't mention that although some sources say they don't know the fate of Anne and it's kind of unconfirmed I prefer the one where it said she lived to 84 and also as I forgot to mention in the episode she supposedly had eight more children so
01:13:47
Speaker
Yeah, she survived a bunch of kids, Kelsey. So yeah, it was definitely very very cool to hear that version. So I'm going to go with that one. And thanks for listening. I hope you enjoyed the episode.
01:14:14
Speaker
i I only saw his tail. didn't see any buttholes a la cats but the butthole will cut just just something about that a wiki hole how appropriate they're like true or false was there a cut of cats that had the buttholes and i was like yes i've heard this it's true what you always see cats buttholes it's very realistic ah
01:14:46
Speaker
i mean it's mostly I think the only time I've looked at seen Gordo is when he has like poop in his fur that I'm trying to get out. I'm not. he's He's fluffy enough, I don't normally see his butt. It's just little furry legs and a free floof. Well, sometimes I feel like I have a cat. I'm like, damn, my dog's tail is always up. yeah And I take him for a walk and he'd be pooping like three times because he's a super pooper.
01:15:19
Speaker
yeah Like, oh, I have to poop. And then within like the next 20 feet, sometimes with a walk, you're like, again? but At least I am like, what the hell?
01:15:30
Speaker
I don't know. You know how they like pee a bunch like to mark their territory? Sometimes I think he's just like holding some of his poop in. Yeah. Wow. I know. Oh yeah. Paddling gets mad when he's having his like third poop of the day and we've already passed like the last garbage can and we're like, really buddy? You couldn't wait till we were actually home. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.
01:16:00
Speaker
where is he now oh he's laying beside me but he's rubbing up against the screen again oh go down he's the the starlet he really can't ah keep himself away from the camera