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208: UK Cryptids & Creatures
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We are back, back again (just like Kelsey's hearing and voice) and we are ready to dive into some lore about creatures around the UK. First we have British Flying Rods, known for their segmented and wavy motions, they move fast and are incredibly rare with only 2 known sightings. Next, Kelsey covers the Boneless, featuring the phrase "undulating mass of gelatinous flesh", it's a segment you don't want to miss.
Alanna caps things off with Sam the Sandown Clown, a ghost clown who may or may not also be an alien or a robot. Listen to the strange encounter 2 kids had with Sam before he vanished forever and let us know what you think he is.
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Until next time, keep it cryptic!
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Introduction to Darkcast Network and Podcast Theme
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Darkcast Network. Indie pods with a dark side.
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You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fun.
Hosts' Personal Stories and Humorous Anecdotes
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And I'm your outlander-obsessed host, I'm Alanna. And I'm Kelsey.
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yeah She's Kelsey with the curly hair! no.
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um someone had to ask me the other day if you were the one with the curly hair in the photos and i was like yes oh i feel like we've got that picture or got that picture i got that question multiple times now oh yeah i think yeah someone not in my immediate family but like what they can't tell us apart yeah my dad's ex she commented on one of the um pictures and I think she was commenting like that that one was of just me but it was you we were both hanging out in my hot tub and then and then not like she commented on the one picture like I don't know it could have been you was something just like gorgeous or don't know I don't remember no but I just remember think people have definitely had to ask also me and my daughter get confused for each other on the phone too apparently we just sound the same
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I should get her on the pod. I don't know. Yeah. Phones always make people sound weird. So I don't know. True.
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Do you think we sound different in real life than we do on the pod? don't think you sound different, but. Not really. yeah
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also really need new headphones. That reminds me my one. i keep having to use the right one. because I apparently used the left earbud too much, and now it hardly holds a charge for more than, like, 20 minutes before. It's like, please, charging. Yeah. Please, please come, like, commence with the charging.
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Please a charge me. I'm dying. Yeah. It's very polite about it, but... Please, please charge me.
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Yeah. oh they lasted quite a while studio headphones i would recommend they did it's been years i have a i have a pair of the studio now that i bought from my work so i was yes like telling you you should try and get a pair yeah they just i don't know i went back to these other ones when we're recording the ones that wrap around the back of my ear because oh the other one's like Yeah, wearing them for more than like an hour or two makes my ears hurt a bit. So was like, oh, these ones are much more comfortable because they, with it like wrapping around, it can just kind of like gently sit in your ears. so Exactly. Excuse me.
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Oh, I forgot mine at home the other day and then I had to wear my work headset. earphones which is just on one side you know it's the call center headphone yeah just god first world problems i love my headphones at home gross ass fucking i have to listen to my podcast all day long at least i could switch it back and forth between ears more easily it's not going please charge me but yeah also hate having to wear the headset when i'm gonna have to take calls like when we're doing calls in the morning what we call salvage Trying to get people to fucking update their information so that we can process their registrations.
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Please, please update your credit card and your information. No. And then like, press one, you want to talk to someone. So it's like very low key, not super hard, like calls. But yeah, then we're on the phone. And then like, I hate the jump scare of like having the phone on your ear and listening to something and then having it ring. i don't like that. So I'll like put it down. Oh, yeah.
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bringing in my ear i hate that i am happy i don't have to be on the phones a whole lot at my job exactly it's good yeah not like i remember being on there you'd be like on a call for 45 minutes and like i hate this Oh my god no thank god. I'm just gonna constantly put you on a hole so that we don't listen to each other breathe for two minutes of silence at a time while I try and do something. yeah yeah yeah oh no that's when you put them on hold but yeah like calls when you were in travel could totally be that long I don't I maybe take like two calls now and it's just like oh yeah yes because you gotta update this or whatever and you're like
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bye-bye now and you hope they just I used to yeah uh I used to ask them all the questions I could think of off the top of my head and get all of their information and then I would tell them what's that phone number I can call you back on and I would put my cell phone unavailable and do everything and then I would just call them back at the end I'd be like I cannot be on this call with you the whole time no it depends yeah what people are like wanting you to do yeah The awkward silence is a real thing where sometimes you're like, someone's like, say they're going to go get something, but that they never say they come back. And then you're like, are we both just sitting here in silence? And then eventually you're like, hello? And then it'll be like, wait, it's just been an awkward silence this whole time. Yeah.
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But I could be totally awkward on the phone. So I get it. I've been on both sides. Yeah, same. soon as it clicks onto, this is a recorded phone call. You're like, oh no.
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was to don't get me started on how many times I've had to call my insurance company. Trying to get things sorted out in the last little bit with my car insurance.
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I'm kind of, I'm switching. I hate them now. So. it's Yeah. A place that is not user friendly or yeah available is very annoying.
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Terrible call center agents. Don't help you at all. Like sometimes we joke at my work that we help them too much. we Like we're more like handholding where somebody said they had to explain to someone four times today, like, or four different people today, how to go in and renew their registration in person in an office.
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um Like what? Anyway, we both still have real jobs guys. So that was that tangent.
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We haven't talked to much in the last little bit. Poor Kelsey's been sick. Yeah. I was sick. i hope I don't sound sick. Even yesterday or the day before, people at work were telling me I still sounded sick. And my ears were very crackly. was actually this morning. so yeah, hopefully it won't sound sick. Like your head radio is coming in badly. i call it my head radio when I get different songs stuck my head. Yeah.
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i I can play you guys. So i was playing it at work. um So three years ago, my ears did the same thing and I thought I was hallucinating. So I actually recorded what it sounded like outside of my ears. on And the same thing was happening this time.
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I didn't record it this time because I don't think it was nearly as loud, but I can play you guys what it sounded like inside of my ears for the last week and a half.
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Like in real life. Yeah. It's okay
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So that's like the sounds I would hear in my ear. Oh yeah, like a clicking almost. Yeah. What the fuck? you echolocating? That makes me want to crack my level.
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Oh, there. That felt better. Yeah. That's what it sounded like outside of my head with my phone against it. That's how I recorded that three years ago. Now imagine how loud that sound is inside your head right up against your eardrum. It's like deafening. my god.
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And it was doing it 24-7 for like the last week. Every time I swallowed, every time my jaw moved, I drank anything, I ate anything. It was like crap. Okay, but that's weird enough you did, yeah, you could like ask the doctor if that's normal, right?
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It is. It's like the different tubes and stuff in your ears. After the swelling goes down, the tubes and everything are like all opening to try and drain the fluid that like oh built up. yeah And it's that's the sound of that is like all the things like popping open.
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Good Gordo's little foot just came in and hit the screen and almost it minimized you. Little boy. Jesus Gordo? He just reached and went boop on the screen.
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Like goodbye.
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Gordo, you will get an earful. He's like, I can't hear I've had enough. it that reminds me. i was at work this morning and we were talking about little Gordo and somebody at work, somebody at work was like, you know what Gordo means, right? Yeah. I was like, yes, I do actually. Yeah.
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And I had to tell them, oh no, I call him out El Gordo. El Gordo. Yeah, Gordo-rito, maybe if you just have a thin day? no yeah Yeah, they said Gordo-rito.
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i forgot that when I covered that one. Oh, sorry. It made me think of when we covered one case where I was like, I just want to be called Lanita now. I think because Lana Turner or something.
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And then I didn't remember that until my brother texted me the next week and was like, hello, Lanita or something. I do not remember you telling me that. I didn't remember it the week after it happened.
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I think because she was very close to maybe her Hispanic,
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you know, Oh god, I was gonna say maid or something that sounds terrible to me in my ears now. Assistant, probably we'd call her now. I think she was like her housekeeper.
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And I don't know. It's very, um, I love Lucy and what's his name? Yeah. Fuck, I don't remember. I have no idea. oh Our brains are gone today, people, okay? We wait but we work too hard. We operate on too little sleep sometimes.
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But you guys all know that have how that feels. Yeah. Yeah, I've been up since 3.30 in the morning. It's disgusting.
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um Oh, yeah. And thank you, sorry, for switching topics and things.
Exploration of UK Cryptids and Mysteries
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Oh, yeah. but But even before you got sick, i kind of put a spanner in the works, as they say in the UK. Oh.
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in the UK. Yes, what are we doing today? are we We're not gonna do... I had picked more like spree killers, which, you know, in a way is kind of just like mass murders and was not... ah didn't end up wanting to even record it the week after we picked it because of horrible killings and stuff that had happened right here in Canada. So...
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I asked Kelsey to switch and that's uh delayed us a bit so then uh that's why we didn't have but like a real new episode last week so i'm sorry but yeah but Alana pulled it together she had some spooky haunted stories for everybody to tide you over i was like i hope this is okay when i was like I think it's okay. I'll just read a few. I've heard them read things on other podcasts. I'm sure nobody will mind. And then after I told you you didn't text me for a while. And then I was hope she's just sick and not like actually like, no, I read my phone and then totally forgot that you had like sent me like four paragraphs. I should have responded to paragraphs. Oh no. That's, that's where I went wrong. That's overwhelming. Those kinds of texts sometimes. Yeah.
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I'm pretty sure it was a night when I was closing, so I saw it at like 9.39 and I was like, I'll respond to this when I get home. And I was like, no you'll totally forget about it in five minutes. I, I, yeah.
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Mine's usually, I'm buzzed or something and I see it and then i realize the next morning that I just stopped talking to the person at some point in the evening. Yeah, you forgot to hit send.
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Never replied. Yeah. Oh, God. Okay, no, that's good to know. Um... anyway we have a a much lighter episode to break things up yeah yeah yeah some uk cryptids hell yeah i like when we do more cryptids and creatures and stuff we don't always we're always like let's get back to our roots and do a castle or yeah or something
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Yeah, our last two episodes, we've done castles, and now we're doing cryptids. It's like, perfect. I will say mine's unconventional. in I wouldn't know i necessarily them strictly in the cryptid category, but that can be paranormal and mysterious things, I think. So we'll see. Yeah, a couple of the...
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the
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explanations I have are not necessarily cryptid-y. So yeah, it's totally fine. Okay, good. It's our podcast. We can do whatever we want.
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Oh my god. I'm just like, don't jinx me with your ear stuff. Then I felt like I was getting like a weird tinnitus-y thing. Ah! It's contagious. good it's okay it's contagious yeah It transferred to you through the audio. All of our listeners are now... i know i i kind of want people to say they got haunted by our show because I hear other people write into shows and be like, after I listened to you cover that haunted doll, I like got sick. But then I kind of don't want to wish that on people. you know That's creepy. I've never heard of that.
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It is, right? think it probably depends, right? Because maybe sometimes I think we're a bit more... um skeptical in some senses. Like, yeah, we have to believe that it's correlated, but I don't know, like, maybe you just have to have a bigger enough listenership that like, a certain percentage of people would report that to you, you know? Yeah.
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Let us know guys, if we ever creeped you out made something weird make you think you're haunted yeah like maybe we're like you listen to us and your phone did something weird just even that kind yeah glitches love it
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that's listening to something very loud downstairs but okay i don't think you can hear it so no i can't hear anything i think we're good okay good um i realize now i forgot to do pictures but yes ah these are i mean it's not too hard to look up no everybody listening on an audio medium is like i don't have time to look up pictures anyway no it's like be i'm listening to people like you should see youtube i'm like shut up i'm not on the youtube right now you notice a lot of podcasts will do that now
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be like oh go watch us on youtube but you know why we're laughing right now you're like no it's annoying then i have to switch yeah so i picked two different like cryptiddy creatures the first one use but you can't pick just one nice The first one is called British Flying Rods.
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Okay. I hadn't heard of them until I saw Yeah. I hadn't heard of them until I kind of saw pictures of what they're kind of associated with and i was like, oh, maybe I have heard of this before.
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Okay. That was my initial reaction is that I have not heard of that. So we'll see. Yeah. For me. They're often reported in Great Britain and are sometimes also called ghost insects.
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Oh. Ghost insects. Okay. um They're often compared to entities that are also referred to as sky centipede and they resemble aerial anomalies called rods.
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So they have a bunch of different like names or associated things. so Yeah, it's giving like aig cigar-shaped UFO vibes to me so far.
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Kind of. ah It's also giving J.J. Abrams lens flares. Gordo, stop touching the screen. you keep hitting stuff and it's doing things to the screen because it's a touch screen.
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Shake it that screen here. Shake it that screen there. if Your little toe beans can activate the touch screen, okay? You have to be careful. I'm just plugging my phone.
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Yeah. ah So as far as, like, the British flying rods, there's only two known sightings, which makes them very rare in like, the cryptic community.
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True. Almost a mothman. One and done. Right? Yeah. The first sighting was in the year 2000 in Liverpool.
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According to a witness, there was a woman that was walking outside when a strange, strange fast-moving creature suddenly passed right in front of her face, like almost hit her face.
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Oh, okay. Rude. no Yeah. It lasted for less than a second and didn't leave her much time to process what she had seen.
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But she afterwards described the object as an elongated ah and like insect like moving with an unnatural speed and precision before vanishing from view almost instantly. so it's gone pretty, pretty quick.
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Sounds creepy. Yeah. Yeah. it's Skittering or slithering. Like the insect part makes me think, eee, it moves gross. Like in the air.
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yeah How does that work? that's Trying to picture it, but.
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And the second sighting took place in an apartment building. This time centipede like object was reportedly observed hovering outside a window during the early morning.
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it appeared to say stay suspended in the air like hovering showing no means of visible propulsion. i my god like a drone would. Yeah just like floating there outside the window.
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But does it have, like, all these little feet? They keep saying centipede. It's like, oh Yeah, like, a I don't really know why they keep saying centipede instead of, like, a worm or a snake.
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Like, yeah. Okay, so different, like, part, like, the body's segregated or sort of whatever the word is. Yeah, there's ones about talk that say sometimes they're...
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um Yeah, they have, like, different sections and have, like, wings or fins and stuff that appear to be moving.
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very weird. Yeah, so this thing's, like, a hovering outside the window. um and as dawn was approaching and the sun started rising the entity abruptly accelerated and shot away at a speed that was so fast that the witness's eye could not follow it and then it like suddenly disappeared damn it's gross it's zipped yeah yeah hate it that it was like just hovering there and then it was just like the sun's coming up goodbye
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ah Yeah. Clearly hanging out in a sort of hostile way or watching you at least. like Yeah, it's freaking creepy.
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Yeah. Enough of that from our own governments. lot birds So the person who first reported on these sightings, like, wrote an article about it, um ended up drawing a connection to similar sightings of what was described as A-Rod phenomena that had been reported from other parts of the world.
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Okay. Yeah. A-Rod was some sort of a sports guy. I think so. Sorry.
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Air rods are described as rod-shaped or segmented objects often captured on video or seen by witnesses. Segmented. That's the word I was looking for. Yeah.
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yeah I scrolled down when you said that and I was trying to find it and I couldn't see it in my notes. I think I said segregated, which is kind of funny, so at least we'll just leave it in. and who ah Yeah, so they're often captured on video or in pictures and are often seen by witnesses.
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And they're frequently dismissed as insects or a reaction of like just blurring motion from something like passing by really quickly. Okay, or just like those wiggies you see in your eyes sometimes. Yeah.
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yeah according to your eye Yeah. Yeah. ah However, this doesn't really account for the unusual behavior, structure, and speed described by some of the witnesses in the British sightings.
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no Because those are sort of different than the air rod sightings. And this led that author to suggest that the British air rods rods or flying rods are a local variation of the same unexplained phenomena rather than a misidentification so that they're related they're like cousins or something okay yeah well you get different ah legends around the world that are similar but yeah yeah different tastes and stuff
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There are many more sightings of these like flying rods or air rods. um They're also often called sky fish or ufo rods.
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Okay. Sky fish. I like sky fish.
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Is it the fish or is it the rod? I'm just confused now as a fisherman. Yeah, fishing, sky fishing rod. Oh, God. Yeah, they have been sighted and captured on videos and in photographs since the 90s, described as cylindrical, often with undulating fins or wings that give them a distinct wavy motion.
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Oh, okay. like So it looks like they're like swimming in the air. That's so crazy. That's like very specific. Yeah. yeah And they're kind of only in the UK?
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Or sorry, am I misunderstanding that? The British flying rods are, but these like flying rods or the sky fish are found, like reported all over the world, I guess.
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Yeah. So they're a little bit different. and more common. I guess we only kind of probably hear mostly about the ones from countries we're in or English-speaking countries. And then, like, I heard someone say the other day, like, so many are just in the U.S., s but other countries, like, have UFO sightings. And like, yeah, like, you do hear about them on, like, almost every continent. Like...
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except uninhabited ones maybe but then who would be there to see it all right like yeah who would be there to report it yeah exactly oh more seen during eclipse i wonder why that is because people are out looking up at the sky it's just like sometimes it is kind of logical everybody's looking up intently yeah And they're like, fuck, they're looking at us Go hi hide, hide.
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o Abort, abort.
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Stupid humans.
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ah Yeah, you have this like distinct wavy motion. they can move at incredible speeds and also become invisible to the naked eye.
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That tracks with UFO movements. Yeah. Yeah. ah Believers state that their consistent appearance in footage, often ah witnessed in remote or unpopulated areas, suggests an undiscovered life form that has not been identified yet.
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While others think that they're simply insects creating this motion blur um because they're being filmed at like a low shutter speed. um so it's like over a long exposure time it's like blurring it's like wait what did you say about um maybe it was before recording a lens flare on yeah that's why i said jj abrams lens flare i forget yeah what were you talking about but i was just like oh that's yeah like a lot of times people talk about like orbs and i can't yeah i really tell from a picture
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if it's just dust or something so that's why i always love an orb as a paranormal so yeah this just looks like like streaks of like light kind of uh yeah yeah okay so yeah they're definitely always seemingly in motion even if they're just hovering inside your window this their wings are going that's the creepiest thing i hate that part like Yeah, because like, yeah, the way bugs are kind of creepy and like snakes and things without invertebrates are kind of creepy. The arms and legs and stuff. Yeah, I get it. um
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And then some people also claim that they could be extraterrestrials. Little tiny aliens. Wait, what? Okay, like, yeah not so not the craft, but a flying creature itself.
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I think so, yeah. There's honestly not a lot of explanation for this one at all. So that's why I have a second creature. ah Yeah, other possible explanations for these air rods or flying rods are ah said to be plasma, which I don't know much about, but I guess is a state of matter that's formed during atmospheric electrical events like lightning.
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And plasma-based phenomena could create the illusion of structured moving objects in the sky. So I feel like I need to look up, you know, um videos about plasma, but not the blood.
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Actually, okay. Plasma, but not the blood type. Looking it up. I do see the plasma. Or, like, I don't know, yeah.
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Like, Not even little rods, but almost like little beads in a row. Some of them look like, hey? Yeah. and does come up you like cryptids when you go air rods and then it's like autofilled.
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Yeah. all Flying rods. Or skyfish. but Okay, yeah. guys one example yeah and One example is more like, i don't know, straight? Like a flying...
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weird submarine i don't know strange all shapes and sizes but I guess ah there have been multiple studies and tests that they've done where they've involved uh insects and birds being filmed at these low shutter speeds and have been able to duplicate the effects of many of the pictures and videos in like these very controlled environments.
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i That makes it hard because sometimes they can duplicate things nowadays or like even recreate them with a maybe an AI or something, but like, so then you really never know what you're looking at is real or not. You're like, well, what the fuck? It's even worse. the last two years have like just ruined everything. oh yeah. All the animal videos people be talking about on some podcast. but I can't tell. I'll be like watching a video of some animal on a trampoline and it's like, no it's all fake. Yeah. Just like, and then they they like spiral out of like every video they see. And you're like, oh no. Yeah.
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gonna be okay yeah that's what i hate you it just like i'm not watching anything anymore i'm like i'm just gonna stay off social media it's all it's a half of it's fake what's the point And I get, I do get the fear. It's not, it's not the fear that the, you know, fucking crocodile or the owls on that trampoline bouncing is fake. It's that all the other shit they're going to tell, you know, push down your throat from, ah you know, the people that want us to be placid. yeah They'll be like, oh no, this is the narrative we want you to believe.
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And then they take your voice and your face and they're making you do this like you're like no yeah that's the scariest thing to me is like them taking somebody's likeness and having them say something yeah that they didn't consent to or anything like that it's yeah so scary I couldn't imagine being like a celebrity or being in the public eye like that where you would have people that would just want to do that They have a ah ah good example. And you have no control over it.
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ah Yeah. du Like, i don't know if you saw the the new running man there with the Glenn Powell guy, but there's a scene where they that they do that to his character. Where they're like, he starts saying one speech and then they're just like, that's nice, basically, but we're going to play this. And that's all I'll say.
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It's like not what he said at all. That's so scary. I hate that. Yeah. ah good movie I haven't seen it yet, but I think it's coming on one of the streaming sites. Once it's once it's free, I'll watch it.
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I don't like paying stuff. I think we watched it for free. And now I have to watch... I wanted to watch The Running Man, I also wanted to watch The Roof Man. have to watch that one still, with Channing Tatum and the... Oh, yeah, he lives in, like, Canadian Tire or something. Yeah, like... Something like that. it's not Living in the mall sort of daydream fantasy, yeah.
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Yeah. Sleepover at Ikea. ah Yeah. We almost went to see when we were visiting mom last time, but then we ended up going to see in the Tron, which, which was good too. So whatever.
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Sometimes you to see a movie, right? Like, oh, yeah. And we're, oh, Scream 7 is out now. By the way, Pat wants to go see that. Yeah. This weekend.
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Right. I might have to take him for his birthday tomorrow. ah Just saying. Yeah. Be nice. Yeah. do you want to see it? You're probably working. You poor thing.
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Yeah, I'm closing all weekend.
00:34:29
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Oh, poor Kelsey. I'm gonna get her a bed. She can't even have coffee right now, you guys. She's on a teeth whitening cleanse. I'm just kidding. Last night was my last day, so I just had to make it through 24 hours after the last whitening, and then oh I can be normal again. That's what I tell myself when I had to get up this morning. I just have to get through this 10-hour shit.
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You'll be good. Yeah. Oh, my God. All right. Okay. I don't have... have, like, a page and a half of both... Or probably just a page, I guess, about this other one ah called The Boneless or Boneless.
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Oh, okay. Okay, so this is the second one. Okay.
The Boneless and its Folklore Significance
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Yeah. Because I didn't have a whole lot about either of these, so... Yeah. That's fair.
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This was like mostly from...
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Oh, Peculiar Britain. Ooh, that sounds fun. Yeah.
00:35:47
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They had some fun descriptions of it saying it's whispered about in isolated marshland and um amongst peat diggers.
00:36:02
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Okay, like peat moss and whatnot. Okay. yeah Yeah. First it's almost like, wait, who's peat diggers? No. Yeah. Right.
00:36:14
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Also, I was busy writing down air rods and thought, it's almost AirPods. How did we not even think of that? Right? ah The Boneless is said to be a shapeless, quivering entity. Ooh. Like I don't know if I've ever heard a... Yeah, I don't know if I've ever heard a cryptid be described as quivering, but...
00:36:38
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okay there's that one that like cries a bunch but yeah i don't don't remember yeah uh with no bones or discernible face or limbs it is why did both my cryptids have to have the word undulating descriptions are they both a super kind of phallic shaped too no no
00:37:07
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Just these long rods. The bagelette. That's so funny.
00:37:12
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But the second one's not the boner. It's the boneless.
00:37:17
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Jesus. And this is more like a slug. Oh no!
00:37:27
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I'm such a toddler. Alright. Carry on. Yeah. Oh god, I don't even want to read this sentence. I typed it.
00:37:40
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You know my mind's always in the gutter. I'm gonna let you finish your mouthful of a drink before I say this. You don't want the first spit take? Yeah. Amy Poehler had one on her podcast.
00:37:56
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I just hate some of these words. Like i an undulating mass of gelatinous flesh. o That is a pretty bad one.
00:38:07
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yeah All you're missing is moist. like, why did I type this? Yeah, that is moist. um I don't know how they would know, but it's said to often be cold to the touch.
00:38:21
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Oh, God. don't know we would know that. um And eerily silent. I was the pool! George Costanza. Shrinkage! Shrinkage!
00:38:36
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ah sorry
00:38:42
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Oh my god, that's so funny. It reminds of... Yeah, I know, we got the giggles. can't take anything else I wrote seriously now. It's like when they're trying to do a scene and then like the there's just bloopers of them. just nope We're giggling now. We can't do it.
00:39:00
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Yeah, ah yeah it's often cold to the touch and eerily silent. Some say it glows faintly with a phosphorescent shimmer, and others describe it, I'd say more often, describing it as absorbing light and appearing like a void against the reeds. like It's like a little black hole.
00:39:25
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like oh absorbs all the light and everything around it. blackpole
00:39:36
Speaker
Time out. Go to my time. I'm going to mute your mic for five minutes. I watched something where they did that to people. They're always threatening to do it to Jake Johnson on his podcast because he's always like hitting on his co-host's mom.
00:39:54
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Pam and I. Gareth be like, Jake. That's enough.
00:40:03
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That's so funny. Okay. ah So this one also has a couple sightings more sporadic over like centuries really. that's weird.
00:40:19
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Yeah, I'd say like one of the more popular sightings was in 1950s when John Davies, who ah it's a railroad worker, he had finished work and was heading home in Longdale on his motorcycle.
00:40:42
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And, uh, didn't really say why, but i guess it just on the drive home, he had this, like, weird need or, like, urge to stop.
00:40:54
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Like, normally he would just go straight home and he didn't really need to stop for anything, but he just felt like stopping. So he had stopped and it was after he stopped and was looking around that he saw this huge black slug-like creature that was making making a scraping sound while it was crossing the road.
00:41:19
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It sounds creepy, even though they said it was silent, but now it's making a scrape. Right. Yeah. And I don't know. Would it scrape? I guess. Do they move kind of like inchworms?
00:41:32
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Like up and then down? I don't know. Some pictures it looks kind of like the bottom part of a slug because he described it looking like a huge black slug with the head of a whale. Yeah.
00:41:47
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So it's got like a weird whale head with big dark pupils that are circling its white eyes. So like inverse eyes. i don't know. Oh.
00:42:01
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Yeah, because it says dark pupils circling its white eyes. So like wouldn't it be white eyes circling its dark pupils? yeah I was confused by that part.
00:42:12
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um But it was like inching across the road and heading towards the marsh area. Ew, you know what? It grossed me out when they do the eyes. Why did the... Oh. Sorry. I was gonna say, why did the boneless cross the road to get to the marsh?
00:42:32
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i don't know where I could go from there. um i always find it weird in the old... Like, because you're talking about the pupils being... the like white part or whatever that yeah just kind of opposite yeah like you said sounds weird it reminds me of like when you watch some of the old scooby-doo cartoons i would hate they would just have like their eyes would just be like i don't know like black people and then like just like more their flesh color around it they like never gave them like whites in their eyes oh yeah i hated it i never watched those growing up but then rain yeah watch them and
00:43:12
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Pat got her into them. I'd be like, ooh, I hate the retro ones. They're weird looking. Everybody's got flesh eyes. Yeah. Um... I guess, yeah, so it, like, crosses the road in front of him, and I guess he goes on his way after that. Davies later learns that someone he knew had actually had a similar, or had seen a similar creature in the valley.
00:43:40
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um And had also seen it, I think they meant at like a different time they had seen it at the same location where Davies had seen it. so Okay, so a couple of sightings for this one.
00:43:55
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Yeah, for that. And then there was a... This is so entertaining how they describe it. i This is a description from 18th century...
00:44:10
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From Somerset levels ah when they had descriptions of a slumping thing. that's cute.
00:44:24
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Right? ah That rolled out of the mist, leaving crushed vegetation in its wake and stinking of sulfur. It's like, it's a demon. Yeah. Yeah.
00:44:37
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slumpin' I wonder if that's a slumpin' thing an old term or sometimes I'll hear an old I scots term or something I'm like why don't we still say that like yeah it'll be like oh they'll say no don't know that's scots don't know shoon instead shoes or just weird little things that are like slightly different they're like oh Did that one weird you out?
00:45:10
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Shoon. Shoon. oh I'm trying to think. So some of them would be like close to words we would still use today. um like instead of crabby, like you might hear someone say like, oh, I was crabbit or whatever.
00:45:26
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oh that's not too far off. Yeah. So some of those are... kind of funny or like um oh they'd be like in the outlander books the kids be laughing because they're like eat your creamed crud and they're like crud it's like now we call it curd um and the modern kids were laughing um but also cruds in wayhe your your cruds yes exactly oh or like uh they would call it knitting what was it
00:46:00
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you do You never learned to clack it or something. But someone, okay, ah yeah, it must be my mom. I got a book for Christmas. i got a couple of books about Scotland. One of them's called like, How the Scots Invented the Modern World. And it's very interesting with things of like, how,
00:46:21
Speaker
like different educations and like the first library, like lending library to lend out books and stuff was started in Scotland and different things like that. And then they were explaining how the word blackmail came about from a Scots word because Male, it was from when they would like go and steal different cattle from the different clans and then they would sometimes try to ransom them back and then like so the word uh male in Scots meant like a rent you know that you would pay.
00:46:58
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um like because so they would charge like the lairds would take rents from their like tenants that lived on the lands around them and stuff and then like the usually the color of the cows that they stole were black so when they ransomed the cows back it became known as blackmail and I was like are you for real that's crazy know it's just like such a when one those like like I love etymology of origins of words and stuff sometimes I just geek out I'm like such a word nerd I
00:47:29
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But yeah, really good book. Thanks whoever got it to me for Christmas Day. Gordo, just stay over there. Stay over there. El Gordo. You're too fat for your corner. He He's a cute little fat man, aren't you?
00:47:47
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on yeah so this thing like rolls out of the mist uh apparently it had chased a local shepherd boy who was later found in a stupor mumbling about and this is also a great description i'm in love with it a pudding with eyes it's constantly called it's constantly described as pudding i don't know why I do feel like that, yeah that does seem like a very UK kind of description.
00:48:22
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because happens like... Everything's a pudding them, all their desserts. Yeah. it has You do picture something like melted. Sorry. Yeah, all the older ones describe it as a pudding. pudding.
00:48:35
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Just pudding. Yeah. ah Yeah, that's what the boy said. Another sighting was from Norfolk Broads, where a boat vanished overnight, and when it was found, it only had a thick smear of slime along the mooring post.
00:48:58
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God, no! It was, like, attacked monster. Literal. Snail trail. A track of a pudding. Gross. Gross.
00:49:14
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Yeah. Yeah. And ah as you alluded to earlier, you were talking about the other one. But if like these descriptions of it being a slug and like kind of boneless and a blobby thing, if these are true, then the creature would have to be a vertebrate.
00:49:39
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All right. despite its name of being boneless because otherwise it would be very hard for an invertebrate to move on land without some sort of exoskeleton or endoskeleton so like tell that to what is his name fucking Ivar the boneless sorry he has he has bones though wasn't yeah exactly but wasn't that his nickname one of the Ragnar sons our son
00:50:12
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hot little bonus
00:50:16
Speaker
did you guys ever even finish that show i don't fucking think so man yeah like I feel like you didn't see the last couple seasons I really don't think I did I don't know what happened i just like they would like take away characters that I really liked watching yes first one was Apple Stan yeah yeah and then like yeah And then they fucking killed the main character. Anyway.
00:50:47
Speaker
How very Game Thrones them. I know, right? But they kept him for half the show. and then they're like, no, Wade, the show was always meant to be about his sons. Let's kill the main guy. Because it's so historically accurate, right?
00:51:02
Speaker
Yeah. It's great. So accurate. All these times they're supposed to be speaking different languages and they're always suddenly in English. yeah No, i don't know what happened because I usually am quite the like finisher.
00:51:17
Speaker
What do they call it? people Yeah, if you don't like complete us rage finish something. yeah you know yeah sure I'm the opposite. I'm the one that stops watching stuff as soon as the last season goes. I'll watch i've watched so many things and then I won't watch the last season.
00:51:33
Speaker
You said that because i we were talking about what, Grace and Frankie or something you turned me on to as they say and you were like, yeah, I never finished that. I didn't watch the last one. I did. I did end up watching that one, but I haven't seen the last season of Stranger Things. I haven't seen the last season of Shameless.
00:51:50
Speaker
Last seasons, man. It's like Stephen King has his character saying that one of them, it movies, endings are hard. i hate them all.
00:52:03
Speaker
Even shows i love. You can never finish it. stays perfect didn't watch the third season of squid game either even though i loved the first two seasons yeah don't know why i just can't i have no interest in watching the third one now like it could depend on how much time i don't know yeah sometimes i'm like putting things out now where they're like they just put out like what fill a second half of uh the season four Bridgerton it was like here's four episodes and then I think they're just like here's another four and that's your season you're like wait is Sora doing that yeah it's like I uh I miss having an episode a week but at the same time the shows that I do have that are still airing an episode a week I also don't really keep up with those either so I don't know
00:52:57
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I found it very hard, yes. And we'll, not to tangent too much more, but like the UK traders did a couple more a week this last season. And at the same time they were doing the US one and it was airing once a week. And I'm like, that one, the other one finished up so much faster. But this one, I feel like everyone was like, I feel like we don't know who anybody is even just week to week because like you forget. Like we just yeah met these people last week and we're like, who are you?
00:53:26
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Still halfway through the season, we're like, who is this other white guy with dark hair again? ah Yeah. Too many. Yeah. um Okay, I don't have too much more.
00:53:40
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yeah ah So there's this Carl Schuker, who's a cryptozoologist, and he believes that it's not an animal, but an animal-like supernatural entity.
00:53:56
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um I guess I could looked this up. ah He thinks it's something known as a zooform phenomenon. I don't know what that means.
00:54:08
Speaker
I should have looked it up, actually. That's what he thinks. It looks like an animal, but isn't. Yeah. Yeah. This, like, boneless thing is. There's some folklorists believe that there's...
00:54:21
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This is simply distorted memories of... This is really weird, and I have no idea how this would work. But they they think it's simply memories distorted memories of bog bodies, which are preserved human remains that get dredged up from the mires and are swollen and disfigured by time.
00:54:44
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don't understand how that would It's like being in cold water. Sorry. Like a black slug inching across a road, but sure. Yeah, what does that have to do with bog bodies being preserved, like, perfectly, like they're in some sort of cold water or something?
00:54:59
Speaker
Yeah. Okay, what did you call the thing again? The the zoo form. oh thank you. zoo and then form phenomenon.
00:55:09
Speaker
Okay, because I'm just to see if there's some
00:55:13
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quick definition. A term coined to describe entities which which resemble animals but are allegedly paranormal or supernatural in nature. Okay. Okay.
00:55:24
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So basically what you said. um And then others, so they think it could be bog body related. i don't know how that would work. Others say it's a representation of the fear of becoming lost in the marsh.
00:55:39
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So it's kind of become like a um folklore like warning story. Don't wander into the marsh. Right, okay, yeah. Some cryptozoologists believe that the boneless could be a misidentified giant slug, which is a rare marine creature that gets pulled inland during a storm, or it could even be an undocumented species of jellyfish that has adapted to freshwater marshes.
00:56:11
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Also another wild theory. Yeah, an interesting theory that wasn't ready for. It's bodies, jellyfish, figment of your imagination.
00:56:22
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fucking weird, though. i don't know. It's like the way they say octopus could be like aliens because they're just so different than lot of other creatures. Yeah. They're like, I don't know. Could be.
00:56:36
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Yeah, I guess, but these explanations don't really... no explain how in witness stories the boneless's ability to change shape.
00:56:49
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um Witnesses speak of the creature like flowing through narrow spaces, expanding to block footpaths, or splitting into smaller globs that then later rejoin. Yeah.
00:57:03
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um yeah Which I didn't run across any of those descriptions of sightings. So, like, where's those descriptions?
00:57:15
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one sentence. I was like, that sounds interesting. If that's the case, it sounds more like that old movie Flubber, you know, the blob or something. Yeah, I loved Flubber when I was young. Right? I I it so many times.
00:57:34
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probably saw Flubber, right? For some reason. they and I think I looked up his IMDB the other day, you Robin, and I was like, oh yeah, Flubber. It just makes you Makes me sad.
00:57:47
Speaker
Just to know he's gone, but he was a treasure. Yeah, my childhood was like the Jumanji movie and Flubber and... Aladdin? Aladdin? oh aladdin absolutely for me aladdin for engully probably the first couple things i really i was like oh fuck you're so funny yeah uh-huh rest in peace robin um yeah so like yeah apparently it can break apart and like rejoin together
00:58:24
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um There was another sighting in 1932 described it as a gray pudding this time instead of a black pudding. oh that makes me think of Beauty of the Beast. Try the gray stuff. It's delicious.
00:58:41
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ah Be our guest, be our guest.
00:58:47
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Um, During this sighting, they said it slithered under a cottage door and extinguished every candle in the house and left behind only trail of thick mucus-like residue.
00:59:00
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Which is wild. You had me grossed out at slither. Then you bring the mucus on. Did it do anything other than extinguish the lights and the candles in your house? Because that's weird.
00:59:14
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And why does it have to be gross enough to slither and... leave slime because snakes slither yeah but they are not slimy contrary to what that's why it's like a slug thing like a slug pudding delicious sitting slug uh sounds like something from harry potter Slughorn's pudding.
00:59:37
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No. um Yeah, those sightings are rare or dismissed as drunken tales. There's plenty of local legends that persist in Dartmoor and the Yorkshire Dales.
00:59:52
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Children are actually warned not to go wander into the fog lest the boneless come sliding. And the Yorkshire Dales...
01:00:04
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And I'm sorry, but it's described as a pudding. Like a Yorkshire pudding! i know, that's what I thought. Like, stop calling it a pudding. fucking love Yorkshire pudding! Give me some beef!
01:00:20
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Where's the beef? Okay. Yeah, so like children are warned off not to wander into the fog lest the the boneless come sliding. That's what I said.
01:00:32
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Stay away from that London fog. Yeah. Yeah. yeah And while it's not as popular or as like touristy or cashed in as like they said the Loch Ness Monster or the Black Sha. Yeah, true.
01:00:50
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um It remains part of a lot of the oral history with locals and everything. Really? quite popular with locals and stuff, even though other people might not necessarily know about it, which I thought was kind of cool.
01:01:07
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Local to the this particular region in England with the Yorkshire and then whatnot. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I haven't heard of it. these like marshy areas. Yeah. Yeah.
01:01:22
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The fucking marshes. Those are, yeah, those are crazy. Those, like, peat bogs can preserve a body and all that other shit. So, interesting that they compared to, like, the Loch Ness Monster and, I don't know. Yeah, because they said, like, oh, they haven't, like, cashed in on this as, like, a tourist thing like they did with the Loch Ness Monster and stuff.
01:01:47
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So it's like, okay. Okay.
01:01:51
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Yeah. They have enough tourist, uh, tourism in the region, I guess. Probably. it's good Or the way like sometimes haunted quote unquote haunted hotels will like lean into it or away from it where they're like, oh no, that doesn't happen here or whatever. You're like, yeah. Okay. Yeah.
01:02:11
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All right. Put her to bed. Okay. No, go for a break. I know. Um, yeah, we'll take a quick one. I think mine.
01:02:23
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Isn't that long either. Yeah, it's five. Only five. Yay!
01:02:36
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Yes, Christina, and that's why we drink doing a two-part, and she was like, I'm sorry, it turned out to be like 20. And was like, what is your usual one? She's like, seven? or something. Oh my god. Right? Crazy.
01:02:50
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Yeah. It's a, no, it was, it's a pretty interesting one. They, um, true crime in a, uh, a Disney coded, neighborhood called Celebration Florida. You might've heard of it where it's all like, it's almost on Disney property. They like pipe in fake snow and stuff. It's very like, you all know, him nothing would ever happen in this idyllic town in Florida, except for like, probably a family annihilator, you know,
01:03:22
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01:04:32
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So, takes place... Oh, that's better. in takes place in uh lake common on the isle of white in the uk and
01:04:50
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it's spelled white w-i-g-h-t kind like those little cryptic creatures in game of thrones the whites yeah yeah they were the Whites were like what the White Walkers could resurrect.
01:05:06
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They were kind of like the dumb zombies. I can't even remember. I think we were just talking about how you, what, not didn't finish Game of Thrones, but...
01:05:20
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I did finish Game of Thrones. i No, I know. We watched the last episode. Yeah. I thought we were talking about Game of Thrones, we were talking about shows that were hard to finish, though, or something. I can't remember now. Oh, you didn't start the- Oh, yeah. There's plenty.
01:05:34
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Well, yes. But also, you have said you hadn't watched any of the NIDA Seven Kingdoms, because you didn't want to deal with anything Game of Thrones- Like, you know. Yeah, I also am not watching House of the Dragon and any of those other ones.
01:05:52
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Honestly, I mean, if you get to them eventually, like, you might like them, but it's fair. I get it. I totally get it. Okay, so this one, um oh, it was in the 70s? Is that when yours started?
01:06:11
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Yeah, I don't know. so So, yeah, this one's kind of like a one-off as well. Which, ah yeah, it's kind of weird. um The byline is, a you know, basically an approximate seven foot tall humanoid with a colorful costume appearance. ah Is seen and speaks to two children. They have a little encounter with him and his strange mannerisms and strangely shaped features.
01:06:48
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And he was basically never seen it again. and I was like, oh, like Mothman. okay Yeah, one and done. Left a big impression first time.
01:07:00
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Honestly, I couldn't even remember that. I'd heard this one before, but I was like, oh he like only appeared once, I guess. Okay. Made quite an impression, apparently. So, the it's on this very small island, too. So, like yeah, exactly. It's kind of like that small town this and nothing ever happens here kind of like that small town murder podcast i listen to um it's a quaint picturesque isle uh off the coast of england near southampton southampton just down the road from salisbury on to worthing and brighton because i had to include some british geography
01:07:41
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like do a lining grime And incidentally nearby there's a Winchester Crawley and a Bournemouth.
The Isle of Wight's Mystical Encounter
01:07:50
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A Winchester Crawley? A place called Winchester, a place called Crawley, and a place called Burnmouth or Burnmouth. I can only imagine.
01:08:00
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Oh. Reminded me of Jason Bourne because that's how it's spelled. Bourne. Oh, Bournemouth. Interesting. Geography. No Peniston this time, unfortunately.
01:08:14
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ah um The children in question who encountered this creature or being were only identified as a seven-year-old girl named Faye and her her friend who was unnamed in any of the sources.
01:08:33
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Oh, geez. Doesn't even get a name. Damn it. Don't want to name those miners. But yeah, it's like one day they're not far from the Sandown Airport on the Isle of Wight. They're hanging out, walking along a path with a footbridge near it when they saw a blue gloved hand poke out from underneath the bridge.
01:08:54
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Oh no, that's some like fucking Pennywise in the sewers. Like a troll, yeah. I don't like...
01:09:07
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I don't know how to feel. Yeah. Also, it weird. Had a ah been accompanied by they heard a weird wailing, an odd wailing noise, like a siren of some sort.
01:09:20
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Huh. So, yeah. I don't know. They saw figure climb up out of the creek from under the bridge. Under the bridge.
01:09:32
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Chili pepper song. Okay. And it yeah dropped his book in the water. Which sucks. He was carrying this like notebook thing, and he dropped in the water, so you had to go back down to retrieve it and shook the water off, I'd imagine. And then he headed off into this nearby hovel, which appeared to be a metallic sort of hut, from what I can gather. Yeah. An RV. Yeah!
01:10:03
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yeah
01:10:06
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But I was like, wait, what is this? Um, this is only like 50 some years ago. So, I mean, they should know if it's a camper van, but they're kids, you never know.
01:10:21
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And then they like, oh yeah, it had gone off into its little hut and then, Most sources said they heard it ask, are you still there? When they kept walking towards it or along.
01:10:34
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Yeah. um But he also seemed to struggle to speak a bit. um So that was kind of weird. But the the pair of friends continued along and straight into his little hut where they got a good look at him for the first time.
01:10:53
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Kids, don't talk to strangers. yeah go into their house steer at them i still love the way um christy uh yeah christy from sinisterhood puts it with the not don't talk to strangers necessarily but like adults won't ask you for help you're a kid or like yes i like that yeah serial killer like the ted bundy oh i need help yeah no
01:11:21
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Which is unfortunate because makes people like not want to help people on the side of the road and stuff, which is unfortunate. Let's be clear. But yeah, just you pull up, you ask somebody if you can call a tow truck for them. That's all you need to ask. You can exactly. Yeah. You can make a call.
01:11:38
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Um, so he wore this very strange clown like clothing, um and held, or had some sort of black knobbed microphone with a white flex attached.
01:11:52
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Which was a quote. What? Don't know if the flex means like a cord, you know? but Yeah, that's so really weird. Okay.
01:12:04
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It is so weird. Carried down out in the forest. i And that's why i love this case, because it is fucking weird.
01:12:14
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um He seemed to speak into this mic, like a, almost like a voice adapter, the way it's described. It's like, want to play a game? No, but you know what I mean?
01:12:27
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What's your favorite scary movie? It seems like he's talking into this thing that like his voice is coming out of, or a voice is coming out of. Yeah.
01:12:37
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And then the the once he gets the voice thing figured out, then the siren noise all stopped. So that was good. it's These siren ambulance noises. yeah yeah Didn't like megaphones used to be able to do that? You could make it do like.
01:12:54
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Like the feedback when something. Yeah. Awful screechy sound. That too. Exactly. That's like such a movie trope. They get up.
01:13:06
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Tap tap, mic on.
01:13:10
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Yeah.
01:13:16
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can't believe how my mic sounded so quiet when I tried to record it myself. It was terrible. Sorry. ah Nothing's good without Kelsey here.
01:13:31
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um Okay, so yes, he spoke he spoken into it. Oh god. Also his description, he had triangular shaped eyes, a square brown nose, and a yellow oval of a mouth.
01:13:43
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Everything made him sound like his eyes and nose and stuff were like cut out of paper by a kindergartner. I don't know why. yeah that's a weird description.
01:13:56
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Sounds like a jack-o'-lantern. Yeah, triangular eyes. like Yeah, exactly. Right. Um, he wore a yellow pointed hat, a green tunic, white pants, and, um, some sources said he had limbs like wooden slats.
01:14:12
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don't know. Okay. I don't know what that means. I'm like, like a, just, you know, like a wooden, yeah, like board. Um, but.
01:14:27
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Yeah, definitely kind of weird, not exactly human body. because He hardly moved his lips when he did speak and he had apparently like no neck to speak of. So just kind of head on whatever. Oh, I will have to put some pictures.
01:14:42
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I should have put some on the drive, but I'll put some on our Instagram. People have done renditions of him and it's... I can imagine. it It sounds great. Cartoon character. Yeah. Like children's character.
01:14:57
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um his head was sporting some stringy reddish hair according to some his head was almost a perfect sphere
01:15:07
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oh no and two wooden and antennae antenna stood out from his head as well and yeah apparently more were protruding from his body or they might have been part of his outfit so maybe that's why people said he looked like he had wooden slats legs or whatever
01:15:29
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Not too sure. um He was said to have an extremely pale, papery white skin. hang on. He's giving me the please charging I put the other headphone in. Okay.
01:15:47
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While they were walking to the hut, they noticed his odd high-stepping gait. So, like, he walked with his knees high? Which, oh no.
01:15:59
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I know. Other podcasts are like, that's, we'll try not to read too much into that. Like he's some sort of, I don't know, Nazi goose stepper or whatever.
01:16:13
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what Or from the, is it the Monty Python? The, um... The mystery of silly walks. or was Yeah. Yes.
01:16:28
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I know. Just like kicking their legs out like they're going to a chorus line and then it's just like back down again. Weirdest movements. Yeah. So of jarring. Oh, I love that.
01:16:41
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Um, yeah. Yeah, he's weird. He had three fingers apparently on each of those hands and three toes on each foot. oh right that was the first part of that okay sorry they looked when they got to this hut they looked around it and it had green and blue papered walls um in some sort of a pattern of dials and also a metal floor so like it was like cool like wallpaper or something i'm not really sure about wallpaper and metal floors
01:17:15
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Everything said it was green and blue. And then the one source said it was a pattern. and I was like, okay. Because wallpaper, as we all know, is very difficult to remove.
01:17:29
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but yeah Maybe it was schematics. If it's dials and things, it could be showing the workings of the ship. Who knows? I don't know. Metal floor!
01:17:41
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Yeah. had Had some weird ah sort of like rough looking furniture and things made of wood. um Then the conversation proceeded in what they described as a non-sequential manner.
01:17:54
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um And he could write the words down. So sometimes he was pointing out the words he'd written in the order to read them because they weren't written in like a sentence. Okay. Very weird.
01:18:06
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So... In that way, he introduced himself and called himself All Colors Sam.
01:18:17
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Basically, he spelled a sentence that went, Hello, and I am All Colors Sam. And he was very colorful, so... Yeah, with his white pants and green tunic and... Brown nose and yellow... Brown nose and yellow apples. Yeah.
01:18:36
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Yeah. He's got the jaundice. No.
01:18:41
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He does sound like he was invented by children. Exactly. And his poor children try to describe him. Yeah. Picking colors out of, uh, like my niece picking crayons out of her little thing. it's It's like, you color with the brown now. Here's a yellow. what Here's orange. Here's green.
01:19:01
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Here's white. I want this color now. Here, color me this. I don't want to. Jack went up the hill. Yeah.
01:19:12
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But it's like, oh, did I say how? is It said she was like seven. So like the kids are not very old at all. So it does track, I guess.
01:19:23
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um But they asked him some questions. don't Don't you get it twisted. They did try to ask him. They said, are you a man? And he laughed and said, No.
01:19:35
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yeah A ghost? And he's like, no Well, not really, but I am in an odd sort of way, is what he said to that.
01:19:47
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so I don't know. What does that mean? ah Exactly. And then they had to interpret that and then ask, well, what are you then? And Sam just said, you know.
01:20:02
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Whatever I feel like. So coy. Yeah. He's playing hard to get.
01:20:12
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ah But he did tell them proudly all about how he'd built his hut himself. And they noticed it had two full floors. So it wasn't just like really a hut when you think about it to me. Yeah. Floors.
01:20:25
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It had an electric heater. yeah man. It's a hobble. It's ah a hobbit home at least. Yeah. um And then he told them all about his diet of berries and ah river water, basically.
01:20:41
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Oh no, he's got the diarrhea. ah But like he's surviving here. i don't know if this is where he came from. it's like yours, but he proceeded to consume some berries in front of them.
01:20:58
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If you could use that word for it, because he ingested them in a very strange way that looked like he was doing some sort of sleight of hand magic.
01:21:10
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What? He doesn't put them from his hand to his mouth and chew and swallow. He puts it into his ear.
01:21:18
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my god. Like an uncle at a party. He's whoop! And then he shakes his head. And then it comes out into his eye. and then he puts it. And then it's in his mouth and he eats it.
01:21:30
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And I don't... will be taking no further questions. That is the weirdest thing.
01:21:41
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multiple sources just describe it slightly differently but i'm like it sounds like a dad at a party trying to do a trick where he's like got your ear got your nose and then he's like oh well it's not in your ear anymore it came out of your nose you're like no
01:21:59
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fenrir dog just poked his head on me scared me half to death
01:22:10
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Okay, so that's it Sam. And
01:22:16
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he's living off the land, you know, the berries. he He was treating the river water somehow to make it potable as well, which to explain how. Yeah, maybe he did and they didn't understand it, but he was he was making it drinkable.
01:22:33
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He also explained to the children that he was very scared of humans and was a very non-violent being that would never defend himself if he was attacked. So like, he's very Gandhi over here.
01:22:46
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Yeah. Finally, after about a half an hour of visiting, he bid them goodbye. Adieu. They simply carried on their merry way about their days and they didn't tell any of their grown-ups until maybe about a week later.
01:23:01
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Oh, wow. Yeah, the timelines. Because they didn't tell anybody at first are a little muddied. They didn't think they would be believed, which is fair.
01:23:14
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um But also because they thought they also thought that like maybe the grownups couldn't see him because there had been a man working nearby when they met Sam the Sandown Clown and the man had not reacted to him at all.
01:23:30
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which is interesting. Yeah. They said he was working on this fence post. He's like fixing it. And like, you know, obviously in sight of them, but he does not react. And other sources said there was two workmen around the area, but either way, neither of them seem to notice Sam at all. So it's kind of weird.
01:23:50
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um Eventually the way we know what happened, it was reported, recorded an article by the British UFO research association, or Bufora in 1978. I hadn't heard of them.
01:24:06
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Yeah. No. I've heard of MUFON.
01:24:12
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So Norman Oliver titled it the article Ghost or Spaceman? 73. He also spoke to the subjects which he said went by Mr. y and like his unidentified kids. So I'm like maybe Mr. Y is FaZe. father i don't know fake names whatever yeah probably yeah they like said it was early june-ish when she first recounted the visit me and that was you know after it initially happened so it probably happened maybe youre around middle of may like they're not sure whatever it's not really important but mr y said of his kid
01:24:53
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quote, I get the impression that Faye was somehow taken into a bubble of alien reality created by this strange personage. Personage. Yeah.
01:25:05
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And also, ah it's duly noted that Mr. Y had had his own experiences that may have influenced him in his beliefs, um which was once on October 1970. had witnessed a UFO driving from Shanklin to a place called Ride.
01:25:25
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Ride with a Y. It's about a 13 to 16 kilometer drive and one source it was said it was kind of playing hide and seek with him.
01:25:37
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um The UFO like popping in and out or peeking, don't know. So... There was that, and on March 1st 1972, he had sat on a cliff in Compton Bay.
01:25:50
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He was sat, as they say in the UK. He was sat on a cliff. Google didn't like that I phrased it like that. I know, I had a bunch of stuff underlined, and I was like, I am not rewording all of these sentences.
01:26:04
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No, that's how they said it, man! ah Um, and he saw this was kind of cool or weird. I thought two yellow points of light peering up at him from the dark water below like out of the ocean.
01:26:17
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so he was like, it looked like eyeballs.
01:26:24
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okay Sorry. Where it gets me with the theories on these two very brief encounters or three, e if you count the stand down clown and the the dad's two encounters,
01:26:39
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Aliens, ghosts, time travelers, you know, your your standard yeah theories. ah I hate to throw it out there, but people always say the folie a deux, which is basically just madness of two or fucking, I hate it if it has to sound like mass hallucination. To me, that's just like such a lame excuse, you know, when they can't think of anything else that fits it.
01:27:07
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um cryptid prank or a beetle as in Ringo Starr
01:27:15
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so this one is he harassing children in the forest I know why would he have the time but somebody said he was in the area around the time was and they say around the time but then they say he was filming a movie called that'll be the day around 1975
01:27:38
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So I don't know if that exactly lines up with their, the kids interaction, but cause I thought they said that was 73. Anyway, but again, random theories love to throw it in there because some say that he used to go around wearing clown makeup.
01:27:57
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So maybe there's a connection because of that.
01:28:04
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It's not. That convincing, I know. And the only other evidence, I would say, quote unquote, is that in the movie, there is the co-star, David Essex, that has a scene in the film where he is seen throwing a book into a stream.
01:28:20
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Which I just think is blasphemous to books. But yeah it could resemble what happened, you know, with the guy, the the creature, you know, dropping his book whatever.
01:28:34
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So, like, honestly, it's like Mothman. That was the only ever sighting. The only other thing I had was how it's like a small, beautiful little touristy, like, lovely place to go where you can go see
01:28:52
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a castle, Karisbrook Castle, museums, and you're so close to the sea, and blah, blah, blah, and... think I think that was really like it. Really, when you get down to it. Yeah. But that one. It reminds me of the one i covered a while ago, the bunny man, where it was like, oh, yeah, you can visit the bridge and all this stuff. Right.
01:29:21
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But it was like the same kind of thing, like just one sighting or whatever, and then disappeared. And it's like, you can go visit. it It's really nice. Yeah. Yeah, I think I might have follow filed that one away as like, oh, it's kind of like the Loveland frogman, maybe?
01:29:38
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One of them frogmen had a a bridge thing. but yeah, when there's not a lot of evidence, you're just like, what the fuck? Yeah.
01:29:49
Speaker
Honestly, we smashed that out, you guys. We'll, uh... We'll have to get on Patreon. Um... You know, it's like, I like what Creeps and Crimes does where they'll do like one on their Patreon that is less about the cases and it's more kind of they're catching up and they're...
01:30:12
Speaker
Yes. They call it their pipe and hot goss. It's just about their life and stuff. And honestly, it is really usually interesting. And sometimes I'm like, I'm boring. But then other times I'm like, I haven't caught up with Kelsey. And I could probably talk to her like like we were talking for six hours straight. started Yeah.
01:30:28
Speaker
And sometimes off mic, we're pretty interesting. Okay. Yeah. But yeah. We have rich internal lives. Yeah. I mean, don't know, man.
01:30:41
Speaker
Things have been going on over here. yeah. yeah We're empty nesters now, guys. Officially. But we haven't had time to talk about that. So I'm just going leave it as it's so real sad.
01:30:58
Speaker
Yeah, man. Yeah, man! Haven't you had time to talk to my bestie for the rest of y'all? And then trade me. I know. I wish I wasn't... I wish I wasn't working this weekend.
01:31:11
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Boo, you two work so much. Yeah. I get it. oh I think next weekend, maybe. We'll plan. We'll catch up.
01:31:24
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Oh, that'd be good. And guess what my birth is on Saturday, so maybe. ah yeah unfortunately it's always it's not unfortunate but it's what it's your mom's is the 13th it's the day before mine which I'm like I had that in my family a little bit but it was only my grandpa's birthday so it wasn't as something where like you have to immediately celebrate your mom yeah yeah shout out to is her name Donna
01:31:59
Speaker
Yeah. I'll bleep it. No. It's your name. Beep! They do that sometimes. I'll be like, shut up, you It's so funny. Or like Wine and Klein.
01:32:12
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I just said Wine and Klein. Because I was thinking how they call everybody like Blortney instead of Courtney when they're like talking about their friends or whatever. Just to be like, pretend. Anyway, whatever.
01:32:23
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My favorite thing ever is people bleeping stuff that doesn't need to be bleeped and it just makes it... sound really bad. it does. So funny.
01:32:37
Speaker
It's a really good time. I'm going to get a bleep thing. Beep and beep said beep. Jesus, what's happening? Oh, shit. Or the one I did listen to, used to listen to an LLN podcast where they would make a bicycle horn noise.
01:32:53
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Ha-ha, ha-ha. so But that just makes me think of like a punchline now, right? It's like. Yeah. Clown noise.
01:33:05
Speaker
Yeah. Clown on a tricycle. love it.
01:33:11
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Oh my god, you guys. Well, it's been a slice. Hope you all are doing well.
01:33:19
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Thanks for hanging out with us. Yeah. We missed you. yeah I missed everybody. was weird not recording for...
Recording Challenges and Sensitive Topics
01:33:31
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what like three weeks again it's so fucking weird because this is like one of my main social interactions nowadays you guys it sucks we need to get out more but that's a problem the patriarchy and of us all having to work too hard isn't it yep fuck yeah fuck the patriarchy and you know let's Let's go 2026, baby.
01:34:02
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ye Let's get good. Well, we will catch up with y'all next. yes Almost said next week. Next time.
01:34:14
Speaker
ah think we're going to do our... ah What was going to be this episode. We just put them out of order. Yeah. For recording. So next episode will be the spree killer episode.
01:34:31
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So. Sorry about the spree killing and also the school shooting that I picked. I didn't realize it was school shooting until I looked it up. It was just the date.
01:34:42
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I tell you I get suckered in by a a birthday near date. Speaking of March 13th.
01:34:51
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yeah um yeah Yeah, so if that's a hard episode or anything like that, I understand if you don't want to listen. it's There's a lot going in the world and you gotta take care of yourself first.
01:35:07
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. That's my mental health. Sometimes I have a hard time if with archer crimes. Definitely. It can be tough. Yeah. It's been harder to like find cases. I don't know if it's just like in the last year they like how you search in like Google and everything when I'm trying to find stuff it's always like statistics and then like yeah stuff comes up weird it's a lot harder i find to try and actually find cases or even like listicles of things anymore oh yeah especially when it's like a sort of category like that where like if you just google spree killers yeah you'll get a bunch of like yeah here's a list on wikipedia that's some other crap you're like yeah yeah
01:36:02
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Sorry about it, but yeah, we all still listen to true crime sometimes. and Yeah, if you guys have any suggestions or any cases like that, that especially funny ones or really interesting or weird ones, ones with like a surprise twist that you want us to look into, would be greatly appreciated. You can send it our way.
01:36:23
Speaker
Especially too if you just want something that's a little more a con crime or something that's a little less murderous. I'm down with that.
01:36:38
Speaker
All right. Well, everybody keep it to together, you know, keep it up. Keep your mental health in gear. We got you. i yeah Somebody who was wearing a shirt at work today. I was just like, the person behind me is worthless and deserving. And somebody was like, wait, did you have like a positive affirmation about your shirt? Because that's amazing.
01:36:56
Speaker
think we all need to see that right now. See, and the funniest thing I've seen recently was a bumper sticker that said, sorry for following too close in front of you.
01:37:10
Speaker
I was like, oh, yeah. Because I couldn't read it and I stopped behind them, and I had to pull up a little closer to be able to read it. And then I was like, damn. Because I was like, the bumper stickers, if you can read this, yeah.
Closing Remarks and Listener Engagement
01:37:24
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I'll be too close. I was like, sorry for following too close in front of you.
01:37:29
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Like, this is great. If you're still reading this, you're probably looking at my tits. No. Yeah. It's like, my eyes are up here. Oh my God. That's funny. It's so funny though. Yeah. It's hard to keep one. I will say I put a lot of the um different pins in my purse and they don't.
01:37:46
Speaker
they don't last as long on there as they do on my, you know, like jacket or whatever. Obviously I use my purse like every day, whereas like you probably wear my fricking creaky coat jean jacket, like three months of the year, but still. Yeah.
01:38:01
Speaker
It's dangerous putting pins on your purse, man. Be this the PSA to the rest of you.
01:38:11
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You know, we're here for the hard hitting topics, guys. People can't get enough of that right now.
01:38:18
Speaker
Come to us for your daily news updates. What's going on in the world? Your escape from reality. Yeah. that' Yeah. Oh, God.
01:38:29
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Well, here's to beginning of March. New Chinese yep calendar year. a new screen movie.
01:38:42
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all sorts of new stuff, so it should be good. Yeah. Yeah.
01:38:48
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Oh, all right. Catch you next time. Bye-bye.
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