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What Your Subconscious Is Trying to Show You with Masha Del Bono
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Today I'm speaking with Masha Del Bono about shadow work, the subconscious mind, and why we keep repeating the same patterns in our lives.
We explore how childhood conditioning, triggers, and unresolved emotions shape the way we think, feel, and show up in relationships. Masha shares her journey from modeling into deeper inner work, and how practices like meditation, breathwork, and Jungian-based coaching helped her reconnect with herself.
We also talk about dreams, anxiety, feeling stuck, and the constant chase for “something more.” This is a conversation about learning to be present, breaking old cycles, and understanding that you’re not your past or your patterns.
If you’ve ever felt like you’re doing everything right but still feel stuck, this episode will give you a different way to look at it.
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Transcript
Introduction and Masha's Background
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to Connected with Iva. I hope you've had a lovely week and I have a very interesting guest for you today. Masha Del Bono, who is a sound healing facilitator, Jungian depth coach, wellness curator and a model as well.
00:00:19
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So nice to have you today. really grateful to be here with you today. I wanted to jump straight in and ask you a very big question because why not? Okay, let's go straight to the big questions. How has your life journey thus far and everything you you've experienced and done shaped what you do today?
00:00:40
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I mean, I'm very grateful, i would say, because I feel all these past experiences were guiding me to where I am now and where I stand. Obviously, the journey started, i don't know, I have to start somewhere, right? would say it started at the age of...
00:00:58
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fifteen when I started to model and at 17 when I left Slovenia to pursue these big dreams to become a model.
00:01:08
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I think it was always maybe more of a More of curiosity for traveling, for exploring, for seeing different places, meeting different cultures, really, you know, maybe more than that idea. But I felt like that modeling gave me that sense of freedom. I could just go, i could just pack my bags, I could just leave whatever and have that independence, right? i I felt like that's what my soul was craving at that time. I'm really grateful how it evolved. Of course, it's not been just flowers and butterflies through it You know it.
00:01:45
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But I think it's been a massive journey and learning and turning point as well. Learning, for example, like how to... love myself on a deeper level, I would say, not just what's on the surface, right? Because it's that's what job really is about most of the time. It's like how you look, how many centimeters you have, right?
00:02:08
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How many this and that you have. And it can be tiring and it can be also harsh on um young women, no? So I would say I've been through my stages, right?
00:02:19
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And I guess maybe that's what kind of triggers the calling for something deeper. That, in one sense, that superficial world almost like aren me being curious, but what is it beyond just that, right? Just that.
00:02:38
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persona that we put out there in the world. And that's how I started to
Exploration of Wellness Practices
00:02:44
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explore. Actually, I'm really grateful because I had so much free time ah with modeling that I could really study and explore and experience different things like such as breath work, like yoga at an early stage, meditation. This is this is where it started. now um I don't know for you, but that's how it started for me. And And then, of course, I was curious about the psychedelic experiences because I was reading a lot about it, how it helps with anxieties.
00:03:17
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I suffered really strong anxieties. At some stage, I would say even panic attacks, And that really helped me. I mean, I i think it I can't say just one thing, but it was a combination of different practices, I think, and me finding my ground and how to kind of center myself through these practices, really. And um yeah, and then I come to also plant medicine quite early on. And then I came to sound healing.
Jungian Coaching and Unconscious Work
00:03:43
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And then later on to the, what you mentioned as well, Jungian coaching mentorship that I do now as well. Tell me about that because I don't actually think I've ever heard that terminology before.
00:03:58
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I say coaching. It's more like maybe mentorship, guidance. It's not necessarily how you envision the coaching, the typical coaching. That is just like, yeah, you go and get it. like Think positively and it's going to all happen, right? that's very um It's not like that. It's very deep and that's why I love it. We work a lot with the unconscious.
00:04:21
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That's where everything really lies. We go a lot to also to our childhood. We work with the mother and father complexes. We work with dreams. We work with symbolism. We work with, um of course, meditations as well with the emotions.
00:04:38
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Really go into feeling these emotions. Let's say the entry point would be the triggers. That's how we open the door for it. Because I think we all have now that awareness.
00:04:49
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Luckily, you know what triggers you. You know, some things might be small and just kind of like, whatever. Some things may really kind of trigger you deeply and invoke certain deep emotions. Then depends on the person, I guess. Like some people can go really angry. Some people can go really maybe crying. And, you know, that that I would say is like kind of the entry point.
00:05:12
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when you come and come to this awareness. And then we work through different techniques to really kind of peel all the layers off. I'm just going to kind of give you like a little bit of like in an ah understandable way what what we do. Obviously, it it depends. It's tailored on the individual. we're kind of peeling off these layers to come to that essence, to understand that you're not all these stories. This is what happened to you.
00:05:39
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This is because of certain conditioning, certain beliefs might be coming from your father, might be coming from your mother, might be coming from society. It's just basically kind of removing all this when you can come to the place of this white canva.
00:05:55
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where you can create whatever you want, create the life you desire, you know, because all the stories that we have in our heads that we can't achieve something, right? We can't do something because we are not ABC. We can't have the right partner to, I don't know what, right? They're all the stories and conditioning that, yeah, we're influenced
Dreams and Subconscious Communication
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with.
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How do you use dreams? Because that's fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, I think dreams, there is there is a lot in dreams, right? yeah And those that remember will be like, oh, I mean, some people remember it. I mean, like, remember it every morning when they wake up. That was my sister when we were growing up. I have not remembered it when I was younger. And she was every morning telling me the stories.
00:06:44
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i was like, how is that possible? Yeah. But um I mean, we all dream and it's just a matter of whether we remember. The way we work with dreams is we kind of monitor. I ask people to just a little bit monitor it just to have that little kind of struct, not structure, but like So we have some content context really to work from and it's like who appeared? Was this a mother? Was this a father? which What do they represent? Like feminine or the masculine aspect is always mostly related to ourself.
00:07:17
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There are also different types of dreams. There are also prophecy dreams. There are also big messengers. But let's say most of the time they would be related to us and is our unconscious communicating directly to us through dreams.
00:07:32
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basically. And then we also see how how you felt, like what were some maybe big events that you remember from that dream. And then we would be kind of, I would just be asking the right questions so you can discover for you what that means. Because look, the dream is like this. It doesn't have just one meaning and it's not just that way. It's obviously how you interpret it.
00:07:55
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And that's how we come to it. It's me asking you questions to see where in life you are at. And how is this reflecting to you and what's coming for you?
00:08:06
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It's very fascinating to me because for a year, not anymore, but for a year, i would have continuous nightmares. And that was until about a few months ago.
00:08:21
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And I was kind of just so confused because I was doing what I want to do And then i would have it every single night. And would be like, what's going on?
00:08:34
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this And then I started doing yoga nidra and my nightmares stopped. But the power of the subconscious mind, because obviously there was something happening there and they were like terrible nightmares. So then you'd wake up and you go about your day and you're doing what you want to do and you're like growing and you're doing all the right things, right?
00:08:56
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But the subconscious is like, no, there's so much here that you haven't worked on. Thanks. Yeah, it was like... Yeah, that is pushed in the back. Yeah. but It hunts us then. But it's like, it's so powerful.
00:09:14
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it clears out eventually. there There is periods. I also remember i had periods when I was just dreaming a lot of things and dreams that were not necessarily the most...
00:09:26
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flowers But is there a dream that is just like, oh, wow, you know? A beautiful adventure. I don't know. i think as we evolve also, they go a little bit more into the twists and turns. I feel like our psyche is really kind of playing with us and kind of the way it communicates to us this impacts it.
00:09:46
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and yeah Fascinating. Have heard? So ah when i was a little ah when I was little, I would dream a lot that I was flying. And I was flying over fields.
00:09:58
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And I was just flying a lot in my dreams. And then when I grew up, I was flying again. But it was like a different dream. i was flying away from Earth. And I'm like, no, I'm going to get lost in the cosmos. Yeah.
00:10:16
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It's funny that you said that because I remember also flying a lot when I was little. I remember like I used to have a lot of dreams when um when I just couldn't run. Like someone was hunting me and I just couldn't run. Like, I don't know if all said that.
00:10:29
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was like, I wanted to run away. Yeah. I did, but it was like ghosts. Yeah. And I couldn't. Some good monsters. No, it's quite, it's fascinating. Basically, i end up having the same dreams like other people. mine were in our garden in the village where I would spend my holidays.
00:10:51
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There was this ghost and it was always the same place in the garden. And it was, I think I dreamt that for a year when I was eight. And I couldn't scream. Anyway. I mean, yeah, there is a lot there, Luke. A lot, a lot. There is a lot there, know, so how we interpret it and how we see it and how can this maybe be related to expressing, right? Expressing your voice and, yeah. Yeah.
00:11:17
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When you're little, if if there is something that's happening in your life and it's not good with parents, let's say, you can't express, you can only please because this is how, you know, your survival as a child works. You can't express.
00:11:34
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guess you have, which is why then you start to become like, ah when you grow up, maybe like, you tend to people, please, or be quiet and not. So, yeah, it's very interesting. But about that, tell me about shadow work.
Shadow Work and Self-Balance
00:11:50
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Let's get into shadow work. It's a lot. Shadow work, is I think, is such a beautiful way to work through the unconscious, I would say. Because all of the things that we push aside, don't want to deal, don't want to face, don't want to become aware of, they're there.
00:12:11
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They're there, ready to be activated and hunt us when the time comes. Yeah. I'll just leave it like this. It's basically things that we haven't become aware of yet that are not that we're not conscious of.
00:12:26
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And that's also actually part of this Jungian coaching that I work with people. ah We become aware of our shadows as well. And the is is the the thing with the shadows is like we all have shadows, like and it's not that we're going to just get rid of and eliminate. It's that there is there is light and there is dark, right?
00:12:47
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There are both aspects of it, and both needs to kind of exist and dance with one another, just as there is like like day and night, right? And it's just becoming more aware of the shadows so we know when they want to be played out.
00:13:03
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In our realities, we often see this, or or at least we become more aware of in our partnerships, in our relationships. Things get triggered. Like you see yourself through your partner, your partner see yourself through you. It's a constant mirroring.
00:13:19
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um And it's just becoming ah really aware of it, like seeing, oh, this is coming out for me. And then when we do this deep shadow work, you really see where this is coming from, like from the childhood, maybe when you didn't get something.
00:13:37
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Or maybe you were silenced or maybe your mom was saying some things that you kind of continue reliving in a way, right? um So, yeah, the beauty of this is just to be aware of it. Like, we have it.
00:13:51
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And now whether this will be activated or Am I able to just kind of lean back and I don't know how to say it, but like sit with it and be like, oh that's coming up for me.
00:14:03
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More maybe expressing it or like ah not acknowledging it really, you know, that's what's coming up for me. And I'm not choosing to act or react in certain way.
00:14:14
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And when you do more and more shadow work, you see you don't you You don't act in a way of maybe screaming or like crying or depending on the person, but you just become that and with non-attachment there, like just an observer of what's rising up for you.
00:14:33
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And that's the beauty of this Carl Jung training I've done. And it's ah it's it's a combination of his psychology and social neuroscience and Eastern philosophy.
00:14:46
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So it's a lot about non-attachment as well. Not attachment, but more like a non-attachment, just sitting there observing and that's what's coming. But I don't choose to affect me in a sense that I would react emotionally.
00:15:02
Speaker
What is the process like of the, um I guess, of this? Is it therapy? I don't like to say therapy. Yeah, you know why? Because um ah first of all, I haven't trained as a therapist. ah Secondly, also because he I like his terminology.
00:15:23
Speaker
ah you know, if if you look at our Like if you look at the therapist approach, for example, in our society now, they treat you as a patient. They treat you as you're sick or ill, right? And this is something I've never really agreed with. I like how he approaches these things and it's just we are conditioned, yeah right? There is just level of conditioning. Maybe some people are just a bit more conditioned or influenced, if you want to put it this way. ah Some less, you know, depends on...
00:15:54
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So and I believe, look, we all carry these stories and it's just like, and we can all unlearn it, whether there is willingness. Sometimes we get so attached to our stories, to our pain body, that we almost wear it with pride.
00:16:13
Speaker
Like, no, but this is me. I'm all this the trauma that has happened to me. ah Sometimes we're so attached to it that we believe in it, that this is it. And we we're playing that victim as well, right?
00:16:26
Speaker
We're not sovereign. We're not acting from our sovereign place. Like, this is it. This is what happened. This is where I'm now. That's what I'm saying. And you come to the place of this white canva where you stop believing, not believing, yeah, but stop kind of reliving as well these stories and just be like, okay, what do I wish to create in my life? Who do I wish to become? How do I wish to evolve? Like, we can choose.
00:16:51
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And that's the beauty of it. I strongly believe I'm a strong advocate for that.
Presence and Living in the Moment
00:16:56
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Obviously, so let's say some people, and I consider us also privileged in our Western world, maybe we have a little bit more possibilities. ah We have everything really, like, you know, we have everything to create our own realities. Now, whether you want to have 3 million in your bank account, that's maybe...
00:17:15
Speaker
ah but That's another thing, okay? And if that makes you happy, go for it, find a way for it. Yeah. But really to create who we want to be, what do we want to create? Yeah.
00:17:28
Speaker
It's just our world is like constantly pushing us, do this, do that, be that, you know? I mean, it's possible. So I'm learning as I'm going through life also about the patiency and that everything has its own timing and there are cycles of life and there there are things we have to work through. This is so important to be happy where you are at because sometimes we might focus on a specific goal in mind.
00:17:55
Speaker
And then that goal always changes because when you're focused on the goal rather than the journey and the path, the goal always shifts because it just means you're never present and you're never in the moment. It's something that I lived so much in my 20s where I was always like, i think I just want something else. And this that I'm experiencing right now is not, is I'm not living in it.
00:18:23
Speaker
Right. So it's kind of a very detached experience where you always remember being on the holiday and just playing a game on my phone the whole time rather than enjoying the beautiful scenery around me.
00:18:39
Speaker
And It was so beautiful. It was um Costa Rica. And I was just there on my phone because I was actually quite unhappy at the time. So i was just playing this game and I was on the beach playing on the game. And then people were like, you're on the beach in Costa Rica.
00:18:58
Speaker
no no, sorry. I'm i'm not happy. It's because I want to be somewhere else. I've experienced myself the same thing is that constant chase of something, right? The grass is always greener on the other side, right? You always want something you don't have.
00:19:12
Speaker
And looking at others like, oh my God, what do they have that view that I don't have? It's that constant not feeling enoughness. Yeah. And I feel it is related to not being enough, not feeling enough. Then you have that sense of like, I'm not doing enough.
00:19:31
Speaker
right And you constantly kind of chase. And I remember that was my early 20s as well, like ah or like even late teens, early 20s, when I was chasing like the next opportunity through modeling, be it campaign, be it editorial, be it whatever magazine thing.
00:19:50
Speaker
was that constant. think, which i don't know if it's, I don't say it's necessarily bad, you know, I think we go through the stages of life and then to realize it.
00:20:03
Speaker
Okay, that's, ah that's, that was 20s for me. And I like to see now how we evolved and um And I guess that also triggered something, right? For there must be something more than that constant chase.
00:20:19
Speaker
And how to find myself being enough with who I am, with where I'm at, with everything I have, really, you know? When things shifted was when I told myself, life is so short.
00:20:33
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And imagine you spent your entire life just wanting something else. And you've never lived a day in your life. yeah And that scared me.
00:20:46
Speaker
And obviously, because i think also with my family sometimes, I can see there's such a big difference. Sometimes they don't really understand what I'm doing at all. Like my dad would always message me, are you working?
00:21:01
Speaker
As in there's always, you know you need to have proof for something that's happening. Otherwise, you're not doing anything worldwide. and And mean, it was so important to learn to be present, learn to live like a life that I really enjoy and and
00:21:22
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cherish my time that I have on this planet. It's not like, and it's not done. It's not like, okay oh no, now I can just be so present. It's obviously always, you know, a journey and you're always, you're always just moving forward and learning and learning and learning. You're always a student, but it it was really important for me to realize,
00:21:49
Speaker
Life is so short. I might as well live it. yeah Yeah, I mean, it's as you say, it's not always easy, right? Sometimes we get stuck in our heads, like myself, too, no?
00:22:01
Speaker
We get stuck and then you're like, ah, and then you're like, take a break, take a breath, step back a bit. Presence, yeah, a big one. i It's so difficult sometimes be present.
00:22:17
Speaker
Yeah, it is. I'll be so present and then someone will walk slowly in front of me. And you're like, fuck. And I'm like, I'm not present anymore.
00:22:29
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Walk thumbs down. And we annoyed.
00:22:37
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And then I'll be present. um love It's a learning process.
00:22:45
Speaker
it's It's hard sometimes, no? It's not always easy, especially when you live in a city, you have to run here, run there, do this, do that. Life is happening faster than it used to. At least that's how I perceive it.
00:22:57
Speaker
um But also maybe maybe maybe also because I'm getting so much more excitement and I'm really doing what I love and I'm really like, ah maybe like embracing even more and like, you know, but I think, I don't know, I think this and that studying and then this project and that one and it's just...
00:23:16
Speaker
It does feel a lot and obviously how to stay connected and present with the self at the same time. And it can be just sometimes like, okay, let me just take a five minutes of breathing and just center myself so I can continue going.
00:23:30
Speaker
But I do feel when I start a day like this with that presence, with that awareness, it really set the day for me. no I don't know for you, what's your practice, but to do something in the morning that makes you feel like, oh okay, I feel myself, I'm back in my body, i can get going, I can know have a beautiful day.
00:23:52
Speaker
Well, at the moment, I... do a very quick morning meditation about 12 minutes and it's a specific meditation on insight timer which is about envisioning how you want to have your day play out in a very specific way and obviously in a positive way so it's Just think about one thing today that you want to be or embody.
00:24:22
Speaker
And it's also someone very, it's a very soothing voice. And we, you know, like you relate differently to different people's voices for meditations. And it just think makes me so happy. And I do it lying down in bed because I'm too lazy to sit up.
00:24:38
Speaker
But it like makes me smile. it Obviously, the um what you do first thing in the morning is so important because it's the first thing. So it kind of sets up your day for...
00:24:53
Speaker
failure or for success and by success i don't mean like literal success i mean success in the sense of a day where you're present and you're being the best possible version of yourself that day so you're being you know like the self that you like that you want to be success is such a wide i think yeah can mean different things to different people. right So for someone's success can be like waking up and having this one million.
00:25:24
Speaker
mean, you can't have that every day. You're something. mean, yeah. Again, because it comes from that desire to be present as much as possible in my life. And then also, if that doesn't happen for whatever reason, it's also really important to not beat yourself up if you have a down day, a low day, a day where you just decide to give up on your inner goals for that day and just you know just eat cakes and lie in bed and cry.
00:26:00
Speaker
If that's it. No, but I don't. i Exactly. i feel like but I try not to beat myself up for it. And it's fine to feel that too, to feel these emotions, right? Because I feel like we grow up as well in, I mean, at least I feel like reflecting back and like also what I see maybe other parents like, know, like, don't do that. Don't cry. Or like, it's, it's not so much acknowledging of the feelings as well. Right. And be like, instead of like, okay, this is what I feel today and that's fine. And I'm going to sit in this emotion.
00:26:37
Speaker
If it has to be one hour, one hour. If it has to be all day doing nothing and lay on the sofa and be total useless person, let's be honest, you know? Obviously, it doesn't really happen. That's a bit exaggerated. Yeah.
00:26:54
Speaker
but um but it's more like acknowledging that it can't be every day as you say like that success that excitement that joy that happiness it has to be also sometimes can also be like a bit more reflection happening and maybe we feel sad and maybe no i don't know you know something that makes me so happy is to have my christmas pajamas on all year round yeah
00:27:18
Speaker
That's my safe haven dressed in my Christmas pajamas. Christmas pajamas? Like, i I have a video call with my grandmother and she'll like, oh, why are you wearing your Christmas pajamas? And I'm like, this is just my home ah ah outfit.
00:27:33
Speaker
This is not really related to Christmas. Well, obviously Christmas presents something very happy for you. Christmas is my favorite... Holiday. And it comes from childhood, actually, because, so you're right, because ah my grandmother always created this beautiful Christmas for me.
00:27:54
Speaker
And I really hated where I lived, so for me, Christmas was the safe time of the year. So, yeah, you're so right. And now I but wear a Christmas pajamas all year round.
00:28:07
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Okay.
00:28:10
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I love that. Thinking if I have pyjama even. i believe Everyone's um experiences show up differently in life.
Joy in Small Things and Raising Energy
00:28:21
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We all associate happiness with something. It's funny because it makes me so happy when I put my Christmas trousers on. And then when it's the whole outfit, when the whole Christmas pyjama is like, oh, this is ultimate heaven. kind like artist Yes.
00:28:38
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but and ah oh amazing think The little things. The little things in life, yes. Let's not lose it.
00:28:50
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And if it brings you back these beautiful childhood memories, so be it.
00:28:57
Speaker
I was just thinking about energy. You know, how strong and powerful our energy is and where we put our energy, whether it's consciously or subconsciously.
00:29:09
Speaker
Because we always put our energy somewhere. It's just most of the time we do it. Without thinking. As we fill up the cup, right, of water and feed our bodies and, right, nourish our bodies, I feel i i look at it the same way.
00:29:27
Speaker
It's rising the frequencies, the vibration also up. Now, how do we do that? That's so many different things. But there are so many, I would say, suckers of energy in our in our world, right?
00:29:41
Speaker
For example, like all this, like the social media, like the technology, right? All the screens, all the billboards, all the, if you live in a big city, right? All the maybe traffic, the noise. the i they're Like the noise right now, right?
00:29:55
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Yeah. I'm feeling myself irritated by it Right, I see. Yeah, and then also maybe some people also had the negative energy, right, that just yeah projected onto us. And um it's it's not always easy to stay centered in your energy, of course, but it's like, how can we help ourselves rise that frequency?
00:30:17
Speaker
And actually, I was just thinking about it when I was driving here. Literally, yes, I was literally saying to myself, to shake a little bit this morning to let go this time.
00:30:30
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Yeah, and how how can we also influence ourselves as well, right? And that's a beautiful thing when you catch yourself and not to go deeper and deeper down the rabbit holes and get more and more and more and more irritated because it just sucks you.
00:30:43
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It's like catching yourself. And that's when I put my music. For example, when you're and living in a big city, for me, I mean, maybe for some people not, but like to go in the center where it's so many people, so many energies, I really feel it.
00:30:57
Speaker
And it's like often I put just headphones and music there that really suits my nervous system. And that's one thing. The second thing actually was doing this on the train here. I was there like humming from... I literally was humming. was like, there is, anyway, there is no one. It's fine. That's a very good exercise though. That's something we can all do and it can raise our frequencies and it can bring us back to the present moment and bring us back to our bodies.
00:31:29
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And it's so simple because you have it always with you. it's It's like, I guess it's like breathing. It's like, but with that that, you have that sound as well. Okay. It feels very peaceful.
00:31:42
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It just kind of suits our nervous system. That's why. Because we go out of that headspace, right? Out of that thinking mind. Um...
00:31:55
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And that is just this presence. Don't fall asleep, everyone. ah Do it without us. Raise your frequency. But talking about things that take you out of the moment and your mind, there was this period where I was feeling quite low.
00:32:14
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And what I did... to take myself out of it, because it was a loop almost, was to start doing things that I was uncomfortable with. i mean, it was the silliest little thing, so.
00:32:27
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What were you doing? It was this summer two years ago. And I was feeling so low. I was only working much. And then i was thinking, what is something that I'm very uncomfortable with? And for me, it was booking a last-minute trip.
00:32:43
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So I just booked a last-minute trip. And i went you know I went to, where did I go? I went somewhere, don't know.
00:32:54
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Went somewhere. I did go somewhere. And I felt so much better. I was like, I feel like it's two things. First of all, you're doing something that breaks the loop of your you know of what's going on. And second of all,
00:33:13
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I showed myself a new example of behavior for myself. So I'm not a, what's the word? I'm not a person who does last minute things, right? And then, oh, why? Why?
00:33:28
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I just booked a last minute trip. I can be that person if I want to. It's like they in the smallest sense, because it's nothing, right? In the smallest sense, I showed myself that what I'm telling myself is not necessarily true.
00:33:46
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my reality i was My reality at the time was I'm not working. I'm in bed all day. I'm not seeing anyone or going anywhere. And then my reality became I'm on holiday. Mm-hmm.
00:33:57
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It's like a small thing that just completely shifts everything.
00:34:02
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And it can be something smaller if you don't want to spend any money. it could be something smaller. Leave the house. Go somewhere you haven't been before. Go to a park you haven't been before.
00:34:14
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And can shift your whole... Exactly. Yeah. And break the habit, break, even kind of create a gap in the reality that you have going on for yourself.
00:34:28
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Yeah, that's beautiful. Yeah, i mean, it's beautiful and you understand that this can be something so little, but it's just so hard. Why? We like the stories we create for ourselves. I mean, i was just set in my mind that this is my reality. This is who I am. I'm a very rigid person. I don't do anything last minute.
00:34:53
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And I want safety, so I'm not going to spend any money. And then You know, to hell with all that. And actually that trip ended up being free because my flight was delayed. So I got the money back and that paid for the entire trip.
00:35:09
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ah So the universe works in mysterious ways. You basically even got back. Yes, I did. I was like, funny that, isn't it? Funny knew that when you actually want break the loop.
00:35:24
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It's almost like the universe has been waiting for you to do this. And it's like, now I can show you what I have in store for you. Amazing. I love it if So yeah, I do recommend. it doesn't have to be big. It can be the smallest thing.
00:35:40
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Yeah. yeah and so As you said, like sometimes it can be just walk in the park. but Just put your shoes on. That's it. yeah What do you do that grounds you? It's interesting that you ask me this question because...
00:35:54
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I was saying this weekend to my dear teacher and mentor Hoppy, my whole life I felt so ungrounded. I don't know. it's it's I think living in so many different places, traveling constantly, being on this constant move, but also with in my headspace too much, right?
00:36:17
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It's just like exploring and this next thing and that next thing and then psychedelic experience. And I felt all over. than grounded. I mean, one simple thing it is for sure, like just being around, like being in nature or being close to the tree or water. That's what I wanted to say. Like I've never felt more grounded than I do now in my life, also because I'm pregnant.
00:36:44
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And it's just something so amazing. I don't know what, but it just brings me back to my body. um Maybe also because it's happening there, right? but That is so and so fascinating. And also, it was actually a profound message that came true.
00:37:03
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About two, three years ago, during a ceremony, and it just came at the end of ceremony, it came to me like, okay, to go higher up, you need to ground more in terms of to go and explore other spaces, realities. The higher you want to go, the the the lower you need to anchor yourself, really, to anchor all these energies.
00:37:29
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It's ah interesting because last weekend, and was it last weekend? I did a kundalini activation. Have you ever done one?
00:37:40
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You know, this one is the one practice that I'm not interested in trying. don't know. I don't know. I have read quite a lot of varied experiences from it. I have.
00:37:53
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I think it probably depends massively on the person who does it. And I had, it's funny because at the beginning i was like, nah, nothing. And I'm so open. Why am I not feeling anything?
00:38:06
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And then, oh my God. Everything. Everything happened. And then i felt, the first thing that I felt was I could breathe.
00:38:19
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Because i have this thing, I don't know. I mean, maybe because haven't been fully grounded because, you know, life. But sometimes like, I'm not breathing easy, right? I'm not breathing easy. It doesn't feel easy.
00:38:36
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And the first thing that I felt when I did the practice was, Wow, breathing is easy. Do you feel it still with you? It was mad.
00:38:48
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And I can still breathe. Well, it would be a problem. like It was an incredible experience. What else have you like experienced? like would you go Did you go on a trip or was it more just physical? more like in physical oh my body physically reacted.
00:39:09
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I think breathing is the one that I can tell, I can say, i feel I can breathe better now because it's an easy thing to say, right? Sometimes with the emotions, you know, it's not always an obvious thing, but because I've been like, there's something that's stuck, right? I don't know what it is, but there's something that's stuck. And then
00:39:35
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is This one is one practice that I still don't feel so strong about. i think it's just so, obviously, again, like as anything else, I think with who you're doing this, a deep experiences is so important. be it a shaman, a healer, a facilitator, anything you're doing, trust the person that is holding that space for you because it can do more damage.
00:40:03
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And I just found it so intense, like in terms of like, you really kind of have to trust that person and it's really working strong on your energy, yeah right? Yeah.
00:40:15
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It's more powerful than Reiki. Mm-hmm. Though I didn't find myself as sensitive as I did after Reiki because after Reiki I was just so sensitive to energies. And obviously if you're ah in a busy place was just like sucking all the energy.
00:40:34
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With that I was not so sensitive to energy. I just felt like I had almost like unblocked something. But then everyone is on a different journey, so you can't compare that kind of experience. It's not something you can compare to other people's experiences at all.
00:40:53
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I think whatever works and hopefully works and hopefully do it to the right person. oh yes oh again right that's so I feel like it can be quite damaging if it's not for the right person.
00:41:05
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Yeah, yeah that's and I just haven't met someone that I would say i trust you to I mean, it's a weird experience and I'm a very rational person.
00:41:16
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So it's two things. I am open and I'm also rational. And I feel like sometimes there's an in internal battle between these two things. Like, no, I'm rational. I'm rational.
00:41:28
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No, but I'm also open. Well, I guess it's whenever it serves, you know. Be open whenever you need to open. Absolutely. And then sometimes it's good that we're not too open. Oh, yeah. In some situations. Absolutely.
00:41:41
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It's good that we have some discernment. Be like, okay, let me think twice. Do you want to go on that train? in formulaia Tell me what you have coming up in store for you.
Future Plans and Contact Information
00:41:56
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Apart from congratulations. Well, yeah, that's going to be a big, massive chapter. That's going to keep me quite busy, i assume. but However, I'm just so excited because I feel it's so many beautiful opportunities coming as well my way that are so in alignment with what I'm doing from sound healing experiences, sound bots, and embracing this new kind of mentorship from my teacher, which I'm really excited about. It's a one-year journey. I just been, this weekend, we had our first in-person retreat.
00:42:34
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And it's just, ah, soul nourishing. You know, I'm not going to say it's like really heavy studying, but it's more embodying and it's more playing with all these four female archetypes.
00:42:49
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um going from the maiden, mother, MAGA and matriarch, you know, as we go, as we women go. And it's just, yeah, it's just really tapping into that feminine aspect. And I feel this is where I'm at. And it's it's is really interesting for me to say that because I feel I've been maturely in my masculine my whole life.
00:43:09
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And that's how I operated. That's how i was going. And Until something obviously shifted, as you say, like, you know, something started to open up that was calling for that feminine to be also present.
00:43:23
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And we can see it in so many, I mean, I think it was through different experiences, you know, from plant ceremonies to ah to this Jungian coaching when we have feminine masculine aspects to, I guess, deeper understanding of it.
00:43:38
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how important it is ah to work with both energies really and have the masculine when it serves you, when to get things done, get projects done and to have that feminine when one to be more maybe flowing, more intuitive, more nurturing and creative. And I really love that stage of my life now. I don't know. So really exciting. It's super exciting.
00:44:00
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Just going more with that trust as well which is beautiful you know that's what I was like as you said maybe more structured there is still structure but there is just a little bit more space of play and flow and you know going and creating spaces also for others and retreats and this is what's really calling me I'm excited thank so much yeah where can people find you? ah
00:44:33
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If you want to be found. but but but ah
00:44:39
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I stopped hiding. um Yeah, people can find me on Instagram. It's Masa Del Bono. And as well, I have my website, masadelbono.com. And that's that's it. Thank you. I really appreciated it. Thank you so much for having me. And I really enjoyed this conversation.
00:45:01
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And laughing and sharing and exploring. feel like I've had a meditation because I feel so calm right now. Oh, that's great. It's your energy. If you could bottle it up and sell it, it will be very successful.
00:45:17
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Bottle it. But we should not probably bottle up energy. Right.