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The Rules Said She Couldn’t Heal. How She Found Freedom Beyond a Chronic Diagnosis
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In this episode, we explore how Kate McDowell healed from a critical illness, and now helps others do the same through nutrition, hypnosis, and NLP.
Kate shares how she broke free from the invisible rules that were holding her back, the mindset shifts that changed everything, and how she built a thriving business by challenging what she’d been taught to believe and seeking out new options.
Whether you're navigating chronic illness, stuck in old patterns, or simply wondering what’s really possible when you see the world differently, this conversation will open your eyes.
🌀 We talk about:
• The cost of people-pleasing and playing small
• Reclaiming agency in your health and your business
• Using hypnosis and NLP to shift beliefs and create real change
• Letting go of waiting for permission and creating your future with intention
Tune in and discover what becomes possible when you take a leadership role in your health, your career and your life.
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Transcript
Realizing Unhelpful Patterns and Habits
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I gave my power away for seven years because i was waiting for some knight in shining armor to come and rescue me. And then realizing the thoughts, the patterns, the habits, the behaviors that I was doing over and over again weren't actually helping me.
Introduction to Habit of Possibility Podcast
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Welcome to the Habit of Possibility podcast, the show about turning obstacles into opportunities. I'm your host, Robbie Spear-Miller. Today we welcome Kate McDowell of Align Natural Health.
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She's going to share with us how she defied the odds of a medical diagnosis and now teaches others what they can do to heal themselves.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Robbie Spear-Miller, the host of the Habit of Possibility podcast. And today we're welcoming Kate McDowell, who is the owner of Align Natural Health. And she's going to share with us some some patterns that she started to use to cope from when she was really young and how they impacted her ability to build her business and have her personal life and relationships be the way she wants them to be.
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So our hope is that it will help other people who have these types of patterns see a way forward. So welcome, Kate. Oh, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Kate's Journey Towards Self-Awareness and Change
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Yeah, thanks for coming.
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So go ahead and start telling us a little bit about what patterns you now see. Maybe you didn't see them before, but now you realize you were operating in the world this way and how it impacted you.
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Sure. There's a lot, but I think the biggest ones for me looking back, definitely very much play by the rules. I was always kind of a play by the rules person. And then when it came to growing my business, something that i found out actually recently at a hypnosis training camp,
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obsession that we were at was how much I was the kind of person who was very teams oriented. And so trying to succeed in my business, I was always worried that I was going to go too high and that other people were going to kind of be impacted by that. So I held myself back in ways I would side with the underdog all of the time. And it's like, I'm growing a business.
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I need to step forward forward and start helping people and focus on that rather than worrying about kind of how people are going to see me from that ah team side of thing. also was very much someone who was a people pleaser from ah very young age and that affected me health wise, it affected me professionally, personally in so many different ways and so really learning the patterns that you didn't see.
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think you hit a good point there when you said you probably didn't notice them in the past. And like for years I didn't and I just kept operating that way. And it's like, how is this holding me back in so many different ways? and And to see it really gives you an opportunity to change it.
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And to do things differently, which has been amazing in so many ways in my life. So, yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. Yeah. So when you didn't see it before, some of it is that you just have been doing it probably as long as you can remember. So you think it's just the way you are. Yeah.
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And some of it is also that I bet that you got a lot of success from it, right? Whether it was relationships or like it appeared successful. But you're you're operating now as a business owner in a different way than you were before.
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But if you know if you're on a team like a soccer team and you're you're really collaborating with the team, that can look like success. And so you set your life up that way for a very long time.
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Yeah. Definitely. And in like personal life side of things as well, right? I was always putting everyone else first. And I thought that was the best way to act. and And the best way to kind of justify my existence on this planet was to put everyone else first and realizing that it actually was working against me in a lot of ways in terms in terms of relationships, in terms of health as well.
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I had a lot of rules because of the family that I grew up in. And and when it came to my health, that led to kind of health negative side effects or negative consequences, I guess, based on the actions that I was taking.
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And starting to see that and realize that there's different ways, there's other possibilities that you can lean into has has made a really big difference Because you don't have to just keep doing the things you're doing if if you're not happy with the outcome that you're getting.
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Right.
Blindly Following Rules and Personal Advocacy
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So health-wise, was it that you were putting everybody else first so you weren't noticing what you needed to do for you, or was it something else? I was a play by the rules person when it comes to health stuff. Like I was diagnosed with a critical illness when I was 22 and I thought you just have to follow all the rules of Western medicine. And and I did that until I got sicker and sicker and realized, okay, I need to lean into something else. And that's part of where hypnosis became um part of my life was recognizing that the thoughts, the patterns, the habits, the behaviors that I was doing over and over again,
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weren't actually helping me. And so when it comes to health, that was a big part of it was believing that I just had to follow the rules, but also the people pleasing, because I wasn't paying attention to myself, I was so focused on other people that I just like so pushed my needs down over and over again. And eventually the body's like, hi,
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What about me, right? And so, yeah, I think anyways, yes. So the rules were um keeping you from really being fully in reality because you were operating under the assumption that if I just do what the doctors tell me to do I'll be okay or it's all that I can do.
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and so you were missing other information because you believe that that's all there was. here Exactly. And there were no other options. That's what I thought for...
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years, seven years. And yeah, realizing that there are other possibilities and other things that you can do for yourself. Like I gave my power away for seven years because i was waiting for some knight in shining armor to come and rescue me. And then realizing if I take actions, if I look into what I can do, it makes such a big difference in terms of what's possible for you. So that was huge.
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Yeah, so you learned how to advocate for yourself or how to notice. um I think it's very important as people to realize that if something's not working, there's always another choice. There's always another option.
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But if you're not willing to look for it or you're you're not perceiving that's possible, you're just going to stay stuck.
Discovering Personal Power and Accountability
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And so you started to discover that after those seven years.
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I did. And it's before that, it's like I had blinders on. It was like I was just looking at this little piece of what was available and what was possible. And people would talk to me about nutrition or about mindset or about other things. And I was like, nope, I'm just existing in this little world. And not I wasn't able to see things outside of that narrow focus that I was in until...
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ah One day I was just like, there's got to be something else and took a step back and looked at the bigger picture and was like, okay, there are so many other things that I have been totally missing. And yeah, that's where I found like,
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what got me to where I am now in terms of health. So yeah, it's huge Yeah. You know, ah growing up, my parents were both medical so doctors. My sister is also a medical doctor. i grew up in a world that was very focused on that way of looking at things. And so they would never, you know, for them, unless it's there there are multiple studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine, it doesn't exist.
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yep And so there's this attitude about that that I'm very familiar with. And then clearly I've found other things and I'm very open to different things. And how I look at it is if I'm struggling with something, even if something's experimental, I'm willing to give it a try because otherwise by the time they prove it scientifically, I'm going to be dead or I'll have suffered for a very long time. And so I'll look at things that way in terms of um what I'm willing to do or try or
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yeah, being being more open. But it definitely took me time to to discover that or be open to that. It is very easy to put those blinders on. And I know many people who still have them on and they'll have them on their whole life.
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If you're enjoying this podcast, please like and follow us and post a review so other people can find us too. If it's how you were raised and what you were told was how things were done from a young age, it's like realizing that the beliefs that you've had are causing suffering in your life. It's it's up to you to decide that you are going to look for different options.
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And it can be it can be easy to stay in that place too, right? Like I lived in the place of victim. for a long time and felt like this is a crappy situation. I blamed everybody else. I blamed the doctors. I blamed my family. I blamed God, the universe, whatever you associate with.
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And I thought that all of these other things were the reason that I was in the place I was. And when I started to realize like, oh crap, the the decisions that I've made in the past, the actions that I've taken, the way I'm living,
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Even the way I'm thinking about things is more of a contribution,
Openness to Alternative Methods Beyond Medicine
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contributor to what I'm dealing with than all of these external circumstances that I'm blaming. And so if I can recognize the role that I played in what's going on, it gives me power to be able to change it.
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And so that was a big turning point for me. And that's ultimately what I like to help clients with now too, because you have so much more personal power than you've probably been led to believe when it comes to anything, but definitely with health.
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Yeah, for sure. And when i saw when I started to do hypnosis, my mother, she used to do cognitive behavioral therapy as a doctor. And she she was had a special interest in that. She offered that to her patients and she was really good at that. People loved hypnosis.
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ah She was a really good listener, so people loved her being there for them. And it was interesting for me to have conversations with her about the kind of work I do because it came out that that doctors really are cowed into complying with ah certain standards, understandably because they are licensed a certain way and they're a part of this group that has agreed on certain values or ways of looking at things.
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And so we can't really blame the doctors. I think it's just good to know that there are other ways of looking at things and and that we as individuals need to seek that out.
00:10:48
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But I wonder if sometimes doctors don't share options because they feel um professionally vulnerable if they do. And I think these days there's more open-mindedness than there used to be, um but that's still an issue, at least where we live.
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There are countries in the world that are much more integrated where they'll have a clinic that includes Western medicine and more alternative medicine. and nutrition and every and you see a team of people who are coming at things from all different angles.
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So it exists. there There are rare cases where it exists here, but usually it's a very specialized medical clinic. um But I think that realizing this helps us seek out other options instead of believing how it is. like Yeah.
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It actually brings to mind when I had my first child, um my husband and I wanted to co-sleep, right? The baby sleeps in the bed with you. It was just easier, right? I was breastfeeding. He was up a million times a night and we just felt like that was a good choice for us.
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And of course, my mother, who was a pediatrician, would show us all this literature showing how dangerous it was to do this. But when you looked into the literature, there was this big picture of public health warning about it. And then the details showed that when there was a problem, the parents were either on some kind of drug or they were or alcohol or like there was some, um you know, they were smoking in bed. There was something that was making it more dangerous for that child that was beyond co-sleeping.
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But when that enough of those situations happen, there's this general public health directive that comes out and nobody really examines the details. So from my mother's point of view, she was like, you can't do that. That's dangerous for the baby, and right? So I think it was an interesting example. And it opened my eyes because up until then, I hadn't really considered that sort of thing before.
00:12:47
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And i started to see, oh, okay, I see how this whole thing works. And many, many things are like that. We can't possibly research everything. So we need to have some broad guidelines available for people.
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Yeah. And it's similar to a story that you shared a while ago about like, how do you do things at Thanksgiving dinner and how the pod is always used the same way. And it's like, why are you doing this? And it's like, well, because we've always done that.
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Right. Maybe not the best way to do things, but because you've always done it that way. That's just what people do. Right. The world has changed. Technology changes. How we how the the evidence changes. And sometimes we just get stuck.
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in a certain view of things. So yes, yeah as well. Absolutely. And like, having that kind of awareness shift and perspective change for myself is helped so much when it comes to the business side of things, because it's I just have a different way of looking at things like hypnosis, like I said, came to um into my awareness,
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Well, actually, when I was going through nutrition college, where we talked about Bruce Lipton and the biology of belief and how like the thoughts that we have can actually change our physiology. And it was like, oh, cool. Okay, well, what are other ways that I can help create change for myself and then create change for other people as well, or help them see how they can create change for themselves and,
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It's such a an incredible thing to learn because, again, it's you're realizing you have so much more power than you thought you did. And how thats it can change so much in our lives. For sure. And there are so many stories of people who are hypnotists or who've learned hypnosis, who've defied the medical odds where the doctor will say, you're never going to recover from this or you're going to die or whatever. And that doesn't end up being true.
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So I think because these people, I'm sure that it's out of proportion to the general population. So we don't have scientific research proving this, but I'm sure that the way they've learned how to use their mind and body helped them handle whatever extreme health situation they were in.
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yeah Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, exactly. Well, I have MS, which there's no cure for, and the doctors say you can't get better, and it's like, really? And you are better.
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Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. What does the doctor say like about how things have changed for you? What are what is their take on it?
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um My MS specialist basically said to me, I don't need to see you anymore. He's like, whatever you're doing, keep doing it. You seem to be doing really well. And I said initially, like ah nutrition has been a big part of And he's like, oh, no, no, nutrition is not going to do anything for you. i don't We don't know anything about that.
00:15:37
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And similar kind of around mindset, although I'd like to have conversations with them now because I think hypnosis would benefit people even when they are working with the doctors, right? Because it's like this different layer of of how you can contribute to what you're dealing with and what you're going through. So I don't really have evidence from a doctor on what they say because I haven't seen him in nine years. But ah Definitely with nutrition, it was like, oh, no, no, I don't know anything about that, which which is unfortunate because there are so many other modalities. And what's unfortunate is here's a person who specializes in MS. You would think he would go, i need to find out what you're doing because maybe it'll help other people. So it's interesting that that curiosity wasn't there.
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yeah that yeah Yeah, it's ah unfortunate. I think if there was more of that, maybe we would have more preventive measures. natural approaches in play because where more research would be done medically about it.
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Yeah, which would be amazing. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
Impact of Hypnosis on Business and Personal Growth
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um Talk a little bit about how this has changed, how you handle your business and the changes that have happened for you in terms of business growth since you've been coming for training here.
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Yeah, for sure. So I, like I said, I went to school for nutrition and figured nutrition was like the magic fix that was going to help me help other people. But the biggest thing that I saw with nutrition is there was like a glass ceiling that they were hitting where,
00:17:09
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They'd have really good intentions and consciously they were like, okay, I know what I need to eat. I know what I need to do. But then something would get in their way. And we couldn't get past it. And it was like, okay, what is going on here?
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And so hypnosis, NLP have been so helpful to help people. them understand how you can't just focus on this consciously because the unconscious mind is where like all behavior and all change happens. So adding that layer to it has just allowed me to help people on such a deeper level, which I love and like helping them realize that they're the ones creating the change.
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It's not the the the meal plan that I'm giving them or the nutrition guidance guidance that I'm giving them. It's like, what actions are you taking and how can we align your mind to get you the outcome that you want?
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So and it's fascinating. I love it. So there's that too. um But having more fun with clients and exploring stuff and helping them just see different opportunities and what's possible.
00:18:10
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And so, yes, as a result, it's made a big difference in my business because I talk about things differently and I show up differently and my energy has changed and all of that.
00:18:21
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you just attract different things to you and you show up differently. And so, yeah, the learnings have been amazing, but like the changes in me have made a really big difference as well because, yeah, you're a different energy when you go through this training and and you learn more about yourself and you find all of the um like patterns and the things that you've been doing and how you've been self-sabotaging yourself and all of that crap and let it go, it's it makes a huge huge shift and huge change, which is cool.
00:18:52
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Yeah, yeah, it is cool. And in terms of your clients, you know, I totally see where that would have gotten in the way because I've worked with lots of people for weight loss. And I've worked with people who are nutritionists or are medical doctors. And it's not like they don't know the actions to take.
00:19:09
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And everybody knows them. It's in every magazine. It's all over the internet. It's not a secret. And it's being able to actually make it part of your lifestyle. That is where it matters. That's where it counts.
00:19:21
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So I'm sure in your work, it was a similar challenge where you could you could give them the most beautiful, perfect menu for their health. But if they're not willing to take action on that menu and make it their lifestyle, then it's not going to help them.
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And sometimes there are other things going on that have nothing to do with food that could be in the way. So, you know, that package and that's true with weight loss as well. Often weight loss has nothing to do with the weight. It could be, you know, emotional or relationship related or people's old hypnotic trances keeping them stuck.
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And so it is really cool to be able to see that whole kind of spectrum of things going on and help people with the whole package. Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:05
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Weight loss, yes, for sure. The health stuff as well has been fascinating to see because I have a lot of MS clients and helping them understand like kind of how Yes, can it be it can be a hard thing to hear for people, but how they've contributed to where they are now and then realizing, okay, that means I can change this.
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And then I'll see, i had a client recently who was, I haven't talked to her in seven months and she's like, oh, remember I couldn't, my left right leg wasn't functioning and I couldn't use it. and she's like, that's gone.
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Wow. And just the changes that happen for people when they kind of realize their role and how they can contribute to to the outcome that they want really focus on that versus focusing on the crap that they don't want and then wondering why that's showing up over and over again.
00:20:51
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it's It's magical, but it's really cool. Yeah, when people have those discoveries, they start to realize, well, what else can I do to make my life better? Because that's pretty dramatic that somebody was having a trouble trouble with their leg and trouble walking and now they're fine.
00:21:06
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ye That is, you know, it looks like a miracle and it's cool for them to see that because they changed themselves, they were able to create that miracle. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's the belief shifts, right? When you start to see like, oh, things are getting better. I didn't expect this to work.
00:21:22
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Huh. Right? It's the belief shifts. And again, like you said, they start looking for what are the other things that I can do. And it's a wildfire you can't stop once you start,
Client Commitment and Accountability in Success
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right? Yeah.
00:21:33
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Yeah. And from a business point of view, talk about how um making the changes in yourself and also seeing a new business model that we've taught you here. Talk about how that's helped you help your clients more and give them what they need more.
00:21:49
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I think one of the big parts is is giving them an experience. It's like from the beginning, like when we're in the free screening and people have this experience of like change being possible, I love doing a free screening with someone and just like having them notice like, holy crap, this feels different. And I really want to move forward with this.
00:22:09
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And I love the structure that we have in terms of the packages for people so they are getting the complete like where they need to go and getting to the outcome that they want versus just like a single session thing where it's it's hoping that the client will get good enough results that they'll continue working with you i love the the setup of yeah the packages and the different things that we offer and so That's been very valuable. And from a marketing perspective as well, i used to be like kind of all over the place with stuff and now speaking to kind of where the clients are right now. So they understand they are in pain or they are struggling with something. And this is a solution that, A, I haven't tried before, but it's something that I really want.
00:22:53
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And so, yeah all layers of the mentorship has been really valuable. And being a part of hypnosis training Canada has been valuable in so many ways in my business, but definitely like the complete package for people as well as the marketing and attracting clients and and everything has been ah wonderful addition to my business for sure.
00:23:13
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Yeah, and you see how it needs to happen as a package because we need to keep the interest of the client in mind when we're doing this. So so for our listeners, when we design programs, we offer a guarantee with it that says, you know, here's how much how many sessions or what we believe you need to reach your outcome.
00:23:32
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And if you happen to need extra help, it's all included. So we're making an agreement to get an outcome. Everybody knows what's involved. And then we are also held accountable to get them results that way. And and it works beautifully because it takes the pressure off of people and helps them focus on why they're here.
00:23:52
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and so it's ah it's And that way they're committing to go all the way to the end because it's just not realistic that people will get everything they they need in a session. They need you know a series of sessions and depending on what they're coming for and where they're at, that will change.
00:24:08
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But they need a package with an outcome and that the hypnotist or the nutritionist or whoever the practitioner it ah is, is having their eye on that that outcome with the client and that that's where the focus is. Because if we just say, oh, well, you're coming in for a session today and and do a session by itself.
00:24:29
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without this agreement to follow through, the session doesn't mean the same thing. Even if you did the exact same thing, it doesn't mean the same thing. Yeah, I agree. And the accountability, working with clients, I find that that's a really valuable part of it too, right? Versus just, I used to work when I first got out of nutrition school, we were taught to like do a session and then follow up with them in eight weeks.
00:24:52
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Oh, wow. To leave someone by themselves for eight weeks. After one session. I can come back. And it's like I understand why, because there's accountability is like such an incredible tool when you're trying to do any change or make any kind of modifications in your life. Yeah, for sure.
00:25:09
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Right. So understanding human behavior and meeting people where they're at and pacing it the way people need realistically. is a big part of what we do so that you know there's no point coming and not getting your outcome. We want people to get their outcome.
00:25:24
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hey Absolutely. yeah Yeah. And how has that helped to you with your own confidence as a business person? um I think there's less guesswork on my side. And I mean, at the last training, I remember and I've heard it before, but it's just like you disappear as the hypnotist. It's all about the client.
00:25:45
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That's like your entire focus while you're there. And if you can keep your mind in that place of like, it's not about me. And for so long, it was about me. And I was making it about me. And then there was self-doubt and then there was fears and there was all these other things. And it's just like, okay, it's not about me.
00:26:00
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Focus on the client. It's made it a lot easier from the confidence perspective because they're going to show you what's going on. They're going to show you what they need. And then you can just like roll with that and give them what they need to get to the outcome, right?
00:26:15
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Yes. And growing through that really matters because if you make it about you, then they're paying you to make it about you. And it's harder for you to get them what they need. So um that process of being able to be settled enough in ourselves that we can actually see what's happening with the other person and see what they need is really key to having success.
00:26:39
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Definitely. And when you did it, hey, I've done that too. It's not on purpose. We have good intentions, of course. We want to help people. But if we if we have an elephant on our foot of insecurity, then that elephant on our foot is going to dominate. It's going to just eclipse everything else.
00:26:57
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So a step along this journey is to really get settled into yourself so that you are freed up that way. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm not perfect.
00:27:08
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why It's all a work in progress. Always asking for things like recently, it's like, how do I hold someone because I don't like to hold someone in the pain of the problem. But it's important. It's an important part of their transformation and of their growth.
00:27:21
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And it's like, There's another, like, I need to get out of my own way element. And that's what's been so helpful is that we do have the feedback and we do have the support regularly. Accountability has been very valuable as well. Yeah.
00:27:35
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Well, and and Kate, probably if you just learned some things here and then you were totally left your own devices, you wouldn't get them into the pain of the problem because you'd be going like, oh, no, i don't do that. I'm not going to do that. Yeah.
00:27:49
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And you wouldn't even have the discovery of seeing why that really matters and that it really is better to be able to navigate through that with them so that they can actually make a change. So when we don't have that feedback or or um accountability to change ourselves, we're going to just play to whatever we're used to.
00:28:11
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And that may not be in the interest of the client. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And so talk about how this has helped you in your relationships.
Improved Communication and Self-Awareness in Relationships
00:28:21
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I mean, it's a different level of awareness of yourself, but a different understanding of people as well.
00:28:28
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Like in my marriage, it's made a ah big change in how we interact with each other, how we communicate. i mean, my spouse is also a hypnotist. So there's like, we fun conversations and just things on a different level. But I've not, I've never been really an explosive person, but I had my own crap that I carried around.
00:28:48
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Right. I would go very inward if there was any kind of tension and it made me uncomfortable. And so I just didn't know how to deal with it. And so, yeah, the personal changes, you just respond to things differently.
00:29:01
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And that's all of my relationships have changed with clients, with family, with my spouse. And yeah, it's pretty it's pretty cool to see. And I bet it's a relief for them too.
00:29:13
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how You don't even know what they're experiencing, but um subconsciously when these dynamics are happening, everybody's suffering in some way. and And you might not even know how because if you're used to things being this way, it might seem normal.
00:29:28
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But now now you see, oh, wow, the breezes can blow through. we can just look at this together. Yeah. so You know, it doesn't have to be as big a deal as you used to think because you used to think if you had to, you know, ask for something or confront somebody about something, it was a huge deal.
00:29:49
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Mm hmm. Yep. I just try and fix it rather than asking for something. And yes, definitely. Yeah. All right. Talk a little bit about how you've worked with Tree and you've also worked with me. So Tree Ride is also a trainer here and she owns Burlington Hypnosis and Business Growth Results. And we collaborate a lot. You first met Tree and then Tree introduced you to me in the training here.
00:30:14
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So I think it'd be interesting for people to hear about, um she was working with you and giving you some feedback and then she referred you to me because she saw that there were patterns she had that were in the way of you getting what you needed.
00:30:28
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So what have you noticed about that in terms of getting feedback from different angles? Hmm. That's an interesting question. I didn't see there were patterns in her that were getting in the way of things. so that She saw that.
00:30:43
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I mean, i leaned in and wanted to learn because I wasn't doing hypnosis or NLP before. And that's when I was working with Tree, but I was fascinated by the way she'd show up at business networking and different situations and was like, I want that.
00:30:57
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And so that's what got me to take hypnosis and NLP at Hypnosis Training in Canada. And just seeing how different people respond to different things has been amazing.
00:31:09
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really interesting. Like i love when the two of you play off each other at a training and um you just get a different perspective and it's like, huh, okay, I'm going to take a little piece of that and a little bit of that. And it's, i don't know, it's just very cool.
00:31:23
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Yeah. And how has it been for you being in class and learning from all the other students? So just watching different people and their reactions and your reactions to them and all of that. Yeah.
00:31:35
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Definitely in from doing MasterPack, like just having the awareness of kind of the different patterns that other people are doing. I wasn't looking for that before.
00:31:46
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And I just had a different perspective of like, oh, okay, this person is amazing. is ah blaming or pleasing or whatever, oh okay I see what's happening here and then kind of asking myself okay well how would that show up in other areas of their life and how are things different when they're in different situations and I don't know it's just interesting like the whole point is that you become a hypnotist you become an NOP practitioner and the whole game changes to like learning to read people and understand what's going on and
00:32:17
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and ways that that they're getting in their own way and how you can help them. And so coming to class, you've got like a whole room full of people that you can get experiences from and learn things from. So I like come back every time.
00:32:30
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Yes. Yeah. It's like an environment where we can reveal it much bigger than you can in everyday life. So it's a really great training ground for learning how to read people or notice human behavior patterns or also notice your own reactions to people.
00:32:47
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yeah It's like a safe space to have that experience and grow through it. yeah Yeah, for sure. yeah very fun time and Sometimes, and I don't know if you've noticed this, but for me, this is definitely true.
00:32:59
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Sometimes it's easier for me to see a pattern in somebody else and then go, oh, I do that. But if if it was being pointed out directly to me, I might not see it. So sometimes watching other people get feedback or learn, you can learn a lot about yourself, either from their pattern or in reaction to their pattern, your own reaction.
00:33:22
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Definitely, especially when it's someone like I'm doing something kind of subtle and under under the radar. So I think and then I see someone doing like way bigger and I'm like, oh, oh, I've been doing that, too.
00:33:35
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Interesting. And you see like, yeah, the impact of it on the room and the people around and kind of the feed. Yeah, it's been very fascinating self-discovery, but and discovery of people as well.
00:33:48
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Yeah, and that's a good point because seeing seeing it in a much bigger way than you do it helps you see the consequences of it. Because when we do something in minor ways, it might not seem like such a big deal or it might seem perfectly okay.
00:34:00
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And then when you see it in this more extreme way, you're like, oh, I see where this is a problem. And you also see more choices for changing it. but Definitely. Yeah, great.
00:34:14
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Is there anything else that you want to share with people about ah the changes you made. And, you know, the topic as of this podcast is about helping people discover possibilities. So we did talk a lot about that in various ways, but is there anything else that you want to share?
Challenging Beliefs and Exploring New Possibilities
00:34:29
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um My biggest kind of focus working with clients and, and like fellow, even practitioners, as well as like, there's so much more possible than you think there is.
00:34:41
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And just because someone tells you there's nothing you can do, it's, it's challenged that. Start to challenge your beliefs and start to look for where there are areas that you are having struggles and asking, like, how have I been a part of this?
00:34:54
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And because if you can see that in yourself and for yourself, it gives you opportunity to do things differently and get a different outcome. So, yeah, rather than just kind of going along with things and expecting that this is just the way things are.
00:35:08
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challenge things. Look for different opportunities and possibilities. That's been a big, well, this is the possibilities podcast, right? But it's like, what's possible if you just look outside of ah the sphere you've been living in? So, yeah. Yeah.
00:35:21
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And in many ways, that's part of being an adult because we're really taking responsibility for ourselves. I know i grew up very rosy as well. And um i Looking back on it, there were things i just complied with because it seemed like the thing to do.
00:35:37
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and as a result, I didn't advocate for myself. I was able to blame other people or feel sorry for myself or something like that, right? I was able to um get away with not really owning that I agreed to do it.
00:35:53
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Nobody was holding a gun to my head. But if you're in a rulesy world, you you and you're almost imagining somebody's holding a gun to your head when that's just not happening. Definitely. And realizing that like you do have choices, right? And growing up, yeah, we think, like I thought it was my responsibility to take care of everybody.
00:36:12
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And learning that like I wasn't actually helping them by doing that, and I definitely wasn't helping myself. Right. And so what what changes, what choices can you make that are different from what you thought was was all you could do?
00:36:25
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And there's so much more out there. and Yeah. And and this it' experience of realizing the sky didn't fall, I think, is an important one. At least it was for me. Right. Like, oh, nothing happened.
00:36:38
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The world still goes on Imagine. Yeah. Yeah. yeah what Yeah, great. Well, thanks so much, Kate. Why don't you share with the audience how they can get in touch with you if they're looking to connect or get some help?
00:36:51
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For sure. So I am all over social media. TikTok is my main one, and it's kate.mcdowell. And then Instagram, I'm aligned at alignednaturalhealth.
00:37:06
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um And otherwise, yeah, if you're looking to book a free screening or whatever, alignednaturalhealth.com is my website. Great. And we'll put this in the show notes as well. Amazing.
00:37:17
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Thank you. Yeah, thanks for having me. Great. Yeah, yeah, this was great. Thank you. If you're interested in connecting with me and learning about personal and business coaching, consulting and training opportunities, go to mindlinkconsulting.com or hypnosistrainingcanada.com and schedule your free consultation.
00:37:38
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00:37:49
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