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Why Playing It Safe Keeps You Stuck (and What to Do Instead)
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What if the thing you're clinging to is the very thing keeping you small? Carmela Tunzi shares how fear and attachment kept her stuck—and what happened when she finally let go.
Many of us stay stuck in jobs, relationships, or roles out of fear disguised as security.
In this episode we explore:
- How Fear Shrinks Your Vision—and Your Possibilities
- Situations Where People Throw Away Money, Time, Effort & Happiness Because They Believe They Have No Choice?
- Sometimes You Have to Let Go to Grow
- Actionable Strategies To Stop Fixating on the Past—& Start Creating the Future
- The Value of Facing the Monster in the Closet
Carmela learned that visualizing even scary possibilities can free you. When you know you’ll be okay no matter what—you stop playing defense and start designing your life.
Carmela Tunzi is the Founder and Owner of Mind Flow Hypnosis, Sherman Oaks Hypnosis located in Los Angeles California, and Desert Sun Hypnosis.
She is one of the Trainers in The Master Hypnotist Society. She also runs a School for Hypnosis Certification and NLP., in the Los Angeles Area.
She runs many in-person and virtual programs, based on the Individual needs of her clients. Carmela was also featured on the episode “I Don’t Want to be a Victim“ of Teen Mom on MTV.
She has been in the hypnosis industry for over a decade and is a trainer for the Master Hypnotist Society.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
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If you're in a situation where you're desperately trying to fix or hold on to certain relationships that are not a match, that's telling you something about your behavior pattern and relationships in general.
00:00:12
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Patterns are unconscious, right? and That's kind of the work that we do show our clients and ourselves, you know, what is no longer useful in our structure of how we show up in the world.
00:00:27
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Welcome to the Habit of Possibility podcast, the show about turning obstacles into opportunities. I'm your host, Robbie Spear-Miller. Today, Carmela Tunze, director of MindFlow Hypnosis, and my colleague of many years is joining me.
00:00:42
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Together, we'll explore why playing it safe keeps you stuck and what you can do instead. Now, before we begin, we have a special announcement. We have been having many requests these days for help with managing stress and navigating all the change happening around us.
00:00:56
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So we're offering free one hour stress management workshops, both in person at our training facility in Burlington, Ontario, Canada, and online via Zoom. Check the link in the show description for more info and to register.
00:01:09
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Now let's get started with the show.
Carmela's Personal Story of Feeling Stuck
00:01:12
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Hello, everybody. This is Robbie Spear-Miller, the host of the Habit of Possibility podcast. And today i'm welcoming Carmela Tunzi, who's been a colleague of mine for many years.
00:01:23
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She is the director of MindFlow Hypnosis in LA. And she's going to share with us her story about how she was stuck and she managed to move forward and create possibilities for herself.
00:01:35
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So I'm hoping it inspires people to see where you can do that for yourself, too. So welcome, Carmela. Thank you, Rabi. Thank you for the introduction. So start by telling us where where have you had this experience in your life where you so you were stuck and you you didn't really see a way out or maybe you were um stressed or fearful about something and then you managed to find a new way to look at things.
00:02:00
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Great question and and great topic. So the idea that comes to my mind with this specific topic word being stuck is way back before I even was involved with the Master Hypnotist Society, I had a situation with property.
00:02:19
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I was living in a home that I inherited and long story, but ended up you know having to purchase or sort of repurchase with a sibling.
00:02:31
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And there was a situation with the economy, a little bit economy, a little bit with some bad choices that I had made um where ah I didn't see a window or an opportunity at the time ah of getting out of my current investment.
00:02:51
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And so what happened was a series of months and months and months and months of not being able to see different ah opportunities or a bigger picture that we would kind of speak to.
00:03:05
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And so I was extremely stuck and and a lot more um negative things happened because of my attachment of of that particular situation with holding on to the property and the house that I was living in So what kind of story were you telling yourself that kept you stuck that way?
00:03:27
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Well, the unconscious story that was happening was, it would be similar if you think about any kind of relationship. If you have a relationship and you as a trainer and teacher might help people with their own personal relationships, where you see that perhaps there's a ah sort of like a abusive pattern of of not wanting to let go of something that perhaps is toxic or phobic.
00:03:54
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This idea that it's so familiar, the the pattern or the relationship is really hard to let go of. So in in my particular case, there was a certain amount of security that was attached to holding on to this is property. And i I simply didn't have the unconscious understanding of what I was doing or the outcome oriented ah tools that I learned later on um with you know training with Scott and the MHS.
Understanding Fear and Stress in Decision Making
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The outcome oriented view of what needed to happen was just not in my observation of ah the way I was thinking or seeing. So all I could see was i have to hold onto this. It was, you know, i i can't let go. it was so much fear involved and there just simply was so, so much stress in trying to hold on.
00:04:47
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that it you know wasn't even worth half or ah a quarter of of the amount of stress that I was going through at the time. it it just did not see in possibilities.
00:04:58
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And sometimes we find that in relationships. People hold on to these relationships. They feel like there's nothing else outside this relationship. And If it does fall apart, how many times do we hear or see what was meant to be or something else better, you know, restart something new and fresh? It's just not in your observation while you're going through that kind of situation.
00:05:22
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So would you say at the time, all you could see was that you had to hold on to it and there was no choice. So you didn't see that you could be okay in other scenarios. I did not think that there was a choice. Absolutely. there There was only having to hold on. It was only reactive, I guess, reactionary.
00:05:42
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um i but It felt like being in quicksand almost, like you're just sinking. There's no light at the end of the tunnel and didn't know what was going to happen. And, you know, The worst possible case scenario would be that I would, quote unquote, lose the property.
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and And so that's why I kept going and and going in a direction that I chose at the time. Okay. And you mentioned that ah it cost you in terms of a high level of stress.
00:06:13
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ah sir mountable ah amount of Insurmountable amount of stress. And ironically, with that same sort of form of attachment, as I was trying to hold on to the sinking ship, it literally was a sinking ship, I had relationships fall out of my life.
00:06:29
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They didn't understand my focus. um I became almost self-disciplined. focused and self-aware. And so, you know, there was people that did not understand and perhaps they they weren't the right people that were supportive were empathetic, but I did learn a lot about behavior of people, you know, that felt flew away. they They literally weren't able to sustain this possible new version of me. They were used to only receiving. um And so i I became another version of myself, which was rather than giving, only kind of like working on myself or or trying to take care of the situation.
00:07:09
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So it it cost a lot, ah mentally, emotionally, physically, financially, relationship, just about everything and career. Yeah. Okay.
00:07:20
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And so this is interesting because before this was happening, your relationships were built on you being a giver. yeah yeah but And so you had developed these relationships with people who were expecting that from you. And then when you you stopped doing that because you were desperately focused on this other thing, people drifted away because they you weren't giving to them anymore. Yeah. Not everyone, but you's certainly a few.
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And that was really surprising to me as well. I wasn't expecting that. And so it's like a metaphor for what I was trying to hold on um Even the property at the time, you know, should not have been um the focus of my savior or my safety.
00:08:09
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um I should have just let it go and and seen you know other possibilities or um had the wisdom to know that I would be safe.
00:08:20
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ah But I just did not see that. it was It wasn't even in my observation of life up until that point.
Parallels Between Property Attachment and Relationships
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And this is quite ah quite a few years ago, but I was adult enough in it and experienced enough in the world to perhaps um would have known that, but I simply did not know Would you say that in a way the situation with the property was actually just a different version of what you were doing in your relationships?
00:08:46
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Because if you were trying to give, give, give, you weren't trusting that the relationships would be what they'll be. Definitely. People would come and go. so we're giving and it felt like a matter of survival. And then it switched to need to keep this property as a matter of survival.
00:09:03
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But it was really the same pattern. That's why I brought up the relationship um pattern as well. ah You know, if you're in a situation where you're desperately trying to fix or hold on to certain relationships that are not a match, that's telling you something about your behavior pattern and and relationships in general.
00:09:23
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Why would somebody hold on to a relationship that wasn't giving back to them? You know, in this case, the house was no longer a financial relationship. um situation where it would have been beneficial and yet i saw it as the only lifeboat that i could could i have and and you know it was really a sinking ship at that point so yes it is a metaphor for how people choose to behave patterns are unconscious right and that's kind of the work that we do is to disclose them and and call them out and and
00:09:56
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show our clients and ourselves, so you know, what is no longer useful in our structure of how we show up in the world. Yeah. And as soon as we're in fear, our awareness narrows.
00:10:09
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And so in both of these scenarios with being the people pleaser and then the property, you were in fear. And so you couldn't really see no trust, other possibilities because of it. Yeah.
00:10:23
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Yeah. Yep. There's just definitely tunnel vision, you know, being in fight flight response can really, we know this with the brain and the and the body, um it discounts what's happening around us. And that's why I was so surprised with a few of those relationships that kind of It fell apart and and was not expecting that at at all to happen. And I ended up having to let go of the house anyway and still landed on my feet.
Lessons on Fear and Flexibility
00:10:52
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And it brought so many other opportunities because I didn't have that burden on me. um I probably would have made a lot more money if I bailed sooner. And so that was another lesson learned.
00:11:05
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oh So yeah. Yeah. All right. Great. And I bet that most people have some situation in their life where they can relate to this. I certainly do.
00:11:16
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Yes. Like there's this concept of sunk cost where once you've already spent money on something or time or effort or ah invested in a relationship, our tendency is to want to keep investing or keep throwing money at things or or hold on to what we have put together.
00:11:33
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ah resources into. So we'll have a, we'll interpret the world in a way that will make us see how important that is or justify doing that, even if it's- Yes, yes, absolutely.
00:11:46
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Thank you for mentioning that. It's absolutely true. you know Even within myself, there's certain situations where that pattern keeps showing up. like You just absolutely have spent so much time and investment in this one project and you keep drilling down rather than stepping back and kind of seeing the overview and seeing where you can actually direct your focus. This could be in marketing, perhaps, where you know and we as business owners are testing and um um I know I had quite a little bit of fun with Google and just wanted that to work. I just wanted it to work and yeah it did for a while. And then you just have to back up and, you know, try see where everything else or something else is actually becoming more lucrative or it flows better. So the the best thing to do is if yeah it's not happening in a direction and you don't have to necessarily
00:12:41
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you know, give up on it, but just really back up, really see a different visual of what's happening back up and see the bigger picture and see where the other things are happening. If, if you're, and don't know, dating online, you know, why do you keep using one website, you know, back up and see where you might go to a coffee shop and meet different people. So just not keep banging that, that same, same situation. it it just really doesn't make any sense. Um,
00:13:10
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and yeah and become outcome oriented instead of what is happening right now. Yeah, yeah. I think I know for me in my life, if I get too attached and I i think it has something to do with me, if I get too attached to the situation that way, I definitely lose perspective. So building the skill of being able to stand back and have a clear-eyed view and see the situation as separate from you as a person or knowing you'll be okay no matter what.
00:13:41
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Like one of the things we teach in hypnosis is that if you only have one option or two options, then usually that's going to end up being a problem, right? You'll get stuck in what we call top dog underdog thinking.
00:13:55
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yeah so you're saying there's a part of me that wants this and there's a part of me that wants that. And what helps us to see more options. So we're looking for at least three creative options two or more. More is always better.
00:14:09
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um And the more we open to that and fantasize our way through how each option could be just fine, it might not be our first choice, but that we would be just fine and that we don't need it to be a certain way is very, very helpful.
00:14:25
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but So I think when we're going through emotional things, you know, like crises in our lives, um you know, changes that are happening that are out of our control, we tend to look for ways to get control and to grab onto certain things to have that. Absolutely.
00:14:41
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yeah Absolutely. It was a very extremely valuable lesson. um you know Of course, with Scott, you know our mentor's help, I was able to kind of back up and and really just back up.
00:14:56
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And this wasn't an overnight process because the underlying patterns are subconscious. So whether it be that you let go of the actual physical property in my case or ah you know noticing where this can show up in different areas, it does take a little bit of practice. so And we're applying real techniques like hypnosis in neurolinguistics to the change. So it's not about analyzing what you did. That doesn't really create the change. The lasting change that you're looking for is in future-oriented outcomes. This is a new concept to people
00:15:37
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that are just dealing with problems. And and this can be in health related. You can have the most severe um experience showing up in your life health wise and either be reactionary and, you know, just, you know, feeling sorry for yourself or just being excited about what, what direction am I going with this? How, how am I going to feel great each and every day?
00:15:58
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you know, That's a really important goal. Like, how am I going to feel great, you know, tomorrow instead of saying, oh, this happened to me, you know, woe is me. Yeah.
00:16:09
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Yeah. I call this whole thing the monster in the closet. And I'll give you an example. I have an eye condition that hopefully will never be a problem, but I could go blind from it.
00:16:21
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It could happen spontaneously because of age or it could be like if I had a head injury. Yeah. And so um I've known about this since I was like 25. And I've actually had clients who have the same condition.
00:16:34
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And they've come in freaking out about it because you can see the symptoms like there are these things called floaters, a lot of people have them. If you have them, it doesn't mean you have my condition. So I have floaters. i happen to have a lot of them and I have an underlying condition that makes it particularly risky.
00:16:52
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um And so I've had clients come in who are freaking out about this my exact situation and they're young and having trouble really enjoying their life because everything they do, they're worried going, oh my God, am I going to go blind?
00:17:06
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And so what I've done is I've fantasized my way through some alternative futures for myself so that if it does happen, I hope it doesn't happen. But if it does, I have a picture of what I could create, like a viable, you know, thing that could be true and it could be okay. And maybe there would be some benefits I don't even realize.
00:17:27
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And then I have other futures that I've also imagined. And so it helps to have those options in mind because otherwise people will ignore it and they'll pretend it doesn't exist.
00:17:39
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Right. Maybe even ways that could make it worse. Right. For example, I can't, you know, do something like kickboxing or, you know, put myself in there or horseback riding because if I fell off the horse, I could have had hadn't had injury. Right. So there's...
00:17:55
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activities that are probably not a good idea for me to do. And if I was totally not wanting to admit this, I might choose to do those things, which would be worse, right? Or I could go like, oh my God, what if this happens and plan my whole life around going to blind, which probably it will never happen.
00:18:14
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um So it's really just being at peace with like, yes, it might be like this and it might be like that and it might be like that and and kind of looking at all of that and making it all okay.
00:18:25
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Love that. Three creative options or more outcomes. And We know that the nervous system will respond, the subconscious will respond to the picture and the pictures in our mind.
00:18:37
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So if you're you know fantasizing about wellness or fun opportunities, then you're actually going to feel great even when facing a possible you know health challenge. So yeah yeah it is an awesome way to be. Yeah.
00:18:53
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yeah i have I have this picture of myself living in like a downtown type of area where I could walk everywhere with my seeing eye dog and living in a condo with no stairs.
00:19:04
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And I have a cousin who also has an eye condition. So she and I have joke that if we ever both have this problem, we can hang out together. And hopefully that technology that you can use to see, like they're developing this technology that can help blind people see. So I'm imagining by that time, hopefully it'll work well enough. And right. So I've got this whole, like I can picture the whole reality, right? right I'm not a dog person, but in this situation, I would totally have a dog. Yeah.
00:19:32
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You almost look excited about not being able to see again, Robyn. Yeah. Well, as I also imagine, hey, there might be some benefits, right? i know I don't even know what life would be like that way. And, yeah you know, of course I don't wish it and I'm not planning for it, but usually there are hidden benefits to the things that happen.
00:19:50
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and Yes. Yes. ah Yes. it And it becomes quite a surprise ah as those things show up and they do. Yeah. And so I think people really hurt themselves when they keep the monster in the closet because they know the monster is there, right? And they're going, oh my God, I hope the monster doesn't come out of the closet.
00:20:08
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And they're doing everything they can to avoid it. But it's not they're not actually building what they want. They're just fixated on this monster. They're obsessed with that.
00:20:20
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So we're really helping people stand back from that and have them effective and choice selves. and feel better while they're going through even you know things happening in the present.
00:20:32
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yeah They actually feel better if they're looking the future. And it changes. it really works. it Your body will change, and it does adjust, and you won't be in that right response, but a really calm or centered, more good-feeling place.
00:20:49
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Yeah, yeah. So there's a sweet spot for this because we want to be able to see all the possible things that could happen and still focus on our preferred things, right? But be open to the the the whole process.
00:21:05
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a range of of options and admit them, right? Be like, okay with them. Like everything under the sun has to be okay. We need a trust that we'll adapt to whatever happens and and appreciate whatever gifts there
Opportunities from Letting Go
00:21:20
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are from it. Yes.
00:21:22
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Yes, have being flexible within every situation, being prepared for what comes. It's almost like martial arts, right? So being trained in martial arts, and I'm definitely not. But when I think of that, I have visual, when you were describing that, I had a visual experience.
00:21:42
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picture and image in my mind of but the most flexible people that I know and how they're kind of like always moving in space, like even physically, they're not just rigid. And, you know, like the the bush in a storm that becomes flexible, even within the storm, where we have these oak trees that are just, you know, topple over.
00:22:01
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um And you don't want to be that too stiff and just be flexible to what's coming to to you and at us. Yeah.
00:22:12
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So I'm curious, Carmela, what gifts do you see now that maybe you didn't see when you were going through this issue with the property? What gifts do you see you have in your life that you wouldn't have had if you'd kept the property?
00:22:25
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Well, the the actual most tangible thing that happened um with my personal story was that I was able to establish a business in several after that.
00:22:37
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And, you know, I i jumped into, um you know, renting an office space. I didn't have that at the time. i was at the same time transitioning from a former career.
00:22:49
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And just that completely changed my world, as you can imagine. So it it was quite a jump from what I thought that I would be able to do and the amount of skills and And things that I've learned are, you know, countless.
00:23:08
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um Everything from running a practice to helping clients change, you know, their their life, literally. Yeah, I know. yeah Literally.
00:23:19
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yeah Learning how to market. ah I didn't even know what the word marketing meant. In that phase of my life, I literally would, sometimes this word would pop up in my mind and and I just didn't understand the word. I was like, what the heck is marketing?
00:23:34
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And so boy, did I ask that question so many times and what did I learn? And to be able to do that um is giving me such a sense of freedom.
00:23:45
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And so ah going from the most secure oh minded, needing security person. And I believe that the underlying freedom part of me was always there, but it got buried.
00:23:58
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So to be able to have that freedom um of choices and and being independent and and having then the next level of skill of becoming a trainer and being able to to share and have colleagues such as yourself internationally, um so many benefits. like I can't even you know, begin to describe and underneath all of those, all the layers of things that we keep learning. I'm still growing and learning and and the opportunities that have come from that.
00:24:29
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Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. So it sounds like your life is more interesting and there are good challenges and adventures and choices that definitely before you used to believe things were the way they were. And now you have more of a sense of agency over your life.
00:24:46
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Yeah, I didn't believe at the time that there was a way out and there was just too much fear. um And had I had any kind of um understanding of opportunities or how to structure even how to market myself, um I would have made different choices that might have you know created that certain situation to to go differently.
00:25:07
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um But I believe that things happen for a reason and that was just part of my path and what I needed to learn at the time with where I was. Yeah, it's probably great that it happened.
00:25:18
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Yeah. Otherwise, you'd still be in that house and running around in the same circle over. Pretty much. or and yeah but Yeah. And idea of not having change is, you know, not not a good place.
00:25:31
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yeah i As a matter of fact, no. We always want to change and grow and learn. Yeah. I think where where we learn is where there's um the most pain or, you know, when things happen and and go easily our way, we're not really growing and stretching and learning. Let's put it that way.
00:25:49
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Yeah. And not to say it's nice when things go well, right? We want to appreciate it. We don't want it to. We want to be honest with ourselves that that we don't really know what our real skills are or what we're capable of when things are easy.
00:26:04
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It's when there are challenges that we grow or we show ourselves what we can do. Absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Great. Is there anything else you want to share with people on this theme?
Future Scenarios and Adaptability
00:26:16
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Um, I can't think of anything ah other than ah I hope everyone watching realizes the power of what it is that we do and how this helps just about anything within scope of our practice um to create you know change and opportunity and freedom and joy.
00:26:38
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and even if it's not so fun while you're going through it, it always ends up. to be you know a really fun experience just to be able to see how much you can stretch and and you know just have fun.
00:26:52
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Yeah. So I think one of the really important takeaways from this is is to for people to agree to visualize some creative options. And visualize situations that maybe wouldn't be what you would choose or different than what you had planned.
00:27:07
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But you can see them and and make them like work that there could be benefits or it could be okay or you can adjust and and show yourself you can handle it or whatever it is. Or maybe there's some mysteries in your future that you don't even know yet, but trust that thought in your future. Yeah. sure Not being too attached to an outcome that you you think is the only way, just to be open.
00:27:31
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Yeah, yes. So NLP, there are some techniques where we ask questions like if somebody says, like for you with the property, you're going, well, I can't sell this property.
00:27:43
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And so the question we would ask from NLP is what would happen if you didn't sell the property and to be willing to explore that. And I bet at the time you just weren't willing to go there. You were just going like, no, I can't sell this property. just They would have asked me at the time, I would say I would just be in so much fear. i would You know, what would happen if I sold it? I don't know.
00:28:04
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And not knowing is the fear, right? The fear of the unknown is the most classic fear that people have. Right. So one thing that you discovered through doing this was to cultivate your sense of faith in the future that you don't need to know all the answers and you can feel good anyway and see yeah confident.
00:28:23
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And before this happened, you didn't know you could do that. No, I did not. You needed to control what happened or it needed to follow your rules to be okay. Yeah.
00:28:34
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's very unusual that that the world complies with that. Right? Sometimes we the world complies enough that we think we're capable of controlling everything.
00:28:46
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And then usually something happens that's an overwhelming thing that we realize we can't control. Right. It's almost probably like you have to be comfortable with the delusion of that everything's going to be okay, kind of based on it usually is.
00:29:01
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yeah It's true. And even when things happen that we wouldn't choose or, you know, there are things that happen that are not good. and But somehow we don't have a choice when those things happen. So somehow we adapt. And trusting that, trusting that whatever is happening is is really the things we can't control.
00:29:22
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are just the things that were meant to happen and to be accepting of that instead of trying to control or fight it. Yes, exactly. Yeah. yeah Yeah. I know for me, that's been an important lesson and it makes life ah a lot easier. But I sure grew up in a way where there was a lot of belief about things had to be a certain way, right? And a lot of need to control things.
00:29:45
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I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that. I'm i'm very much sure that the people want the structure of what they believe is is to right or wrong, and where the question should be, is it useful or unuseful?
00:29:56
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And that is what I've taken from NLP and hypnosis for sure. Not common and in a lot of people's vocabulary. Yes. And we need to look at that regardless of what you were taught growing up or what your culture believes matters what your your dreams were that you were really attached to or, right, that we we need to make that okay no matter what.
00:30:21
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Yes, absolutely. All right. Well, go ahead and share with people how they can get in touch with you, Carmela. Oh, thank you. um I'm in Los Angeles, but see people virtually as well.
00:30:32
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But the business is MindFlow Hypnosis. That's the main website as well. And you can certainly, you know, look at that or even call me or text me at 323-573-7707. I'm always happy to you know, have a conversation or consultation.
00:30:49
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um we definitely do this um virtually as well like i mentioned or We have two locations in Los Angeles ah proper. So happy to meet anybody that's on the West Coast always.
00:31:01
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Okay, great. Well, thank you for coming on the show. Thank you, Robbie. Nice chatting with you always. Likewise. Join us for our free one hour stress management workshops.
00:31:13
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00:31:32
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00:31:43
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I'm Robbie Spearmiller, the host of the Habit of Possibility podcast. Tune in next time to learn more about how you can turn obstacles into opportunities. and make the most of your life and career.