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Being Grateful: the key to a Joy Filled Life a conversation with Bracha Goetz
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Bracha Goetz is the author of more than forty children’s books that help children's souls shine.
In this episode of Fit For My Age Bracha explains to host Michael Millward how being consciously grateful can be the key to achieving a life that is full of joy.
Bracha explains the first steps of the Pleasure Ladder, a model of joy that can be used to help you focus on adding more joyful activities to your day.
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Introduction and Podcast Promotion
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Made on Zencaster. Hello and welcome to Fit for My Age, the health and wellbeing podcast from Abisida. I am your host, Michael Millward, the managing director of Abisida. As the jingle at the start of this podcast says, Fit for My Age is made on Zencaster.
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All the details are in the description. Now that I have told you how wonderful Zencaster is for making podcasts, we should make one. One that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to. Very importantly, on fit for my age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Today, my guest, who I met on matchmaker.fm, is And it is, I have to remember how to say this. Bracka gets. Yay.
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It's not your turn. Time to talk, Bracka. Not your time to talk.
Guest Introduction: Bracka, the Wellness Expert
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Bracca is a wellness expert and the Harvard-educated author of 40 books, count them, 40 books that help children's souls shine. Now, fit for my age is fortunate to have welcomed guests from all over the world, very often from places that I have never been and some sometimes from places that I have visited.
00:02:09
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Braca is from Baltimore in Maryland, United States of America. I have not been to Baltimore, but I did once travel through a small part of Maryland on a journey whilst I was working in Washington. Well, I traveled through it twice, once on the way there and once on the way back.
00:02:29
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Now on the way there the driver announced we have just entered Maryland and a few minutes later he said we have now left Maryland. He didn't make any announcements on the return journey though so whether I should count it or not I do not know but it is a very interesting very beautiful place.
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The Joy and Beauty in Life's Imperfections
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Did I say it right? Yes! Brilliant. Hello Bracka. Hi! Really happy to be here.
00:03:17
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I am happy that you are here as well. I know we're going to have a lot of fun in this short half hour that we have, but please could we start by you telling our audience a little bit about you.
00:03:29
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Well, i right I'm the author of right now, 42 children's books. I call them books that help children children shine. That's what they all have in common. And and one memoir about my journey to joy. So yeah, and yeah that's that's what I want to share with everybody.
00:03:55
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So you you write children's books and you've also written a memoir as well about your journey to joy. So it's only a little word, joy. But what does it mean? Exactly. it's I love that. It's a little word. In fact, my books just contain little words about big ideas. And that's what joy is. It's so tiny and yet it changes our life completely. At any moment,
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that we can spend in joy is a moment that we're not being miserable. Hopefully we have more joy than miserable as well. Yes, hopefully. Hopefully we can keep adding those pearls to our necklace. Every single moment counts. Any moment of joy, that's how you create a whole necklace of a lifetime of of of joy and beauty. Just keep adding to it, pearl by pearl.
00:04:54
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Why pearls? Why not diamonds or sapphires? Why pearls? Why do you use the word? they're They're both really good examples because actually a diamond, what's the difference between a fake diamond and a real diamond? Well, not being an expert, I suspect that once it's on your finger, around your neck, hanging from your ear, most people can't tell.
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Right. right what makes ah What makes the difference are the flaws. A real diamond has flaws, like all of us. The fake diamonds don't have those flaws. The flaws are really what make the the diamond interesting, just like people. And with the pearls, it's the same thing. It's this annoying irritation inside of the clam. And from that irritation in life,
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That's how we get beautiful pearls. We we we learn from our irritations and we and the pressure. It's the pressure on the diamonds that creates the diamond. Otherwise, it's just a stone. And and we're making it into a diamond through the pressure. Through the challenges in our lives, we actually we have the potential to become greater, just like the pearls, just like the
The RAIN Method for Life's Challenges
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diamonds.
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It's an interesting way of looking at life. And I suppose, yeah, you are right. The the pearl is is the oysters ulcer type of thing. Yes. that's That's what it is. it It causes pain. The pressure that carbon is put under yes creates the diamond. If it's not a diamond, if it isn't put under that pressure, it's graphite and it ends up in a pencil.
00:06:42
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type of thing. The pressure, the pain causes the thing of beauty. I get that. So are you saying that we have to embrace all of our flaws, all of the problems and the pressures that we're under? Recognize them. we There's a beautiful thing that I learned from a psych, a therapist, a well-known therapist called Tara Brakh.
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She calls it rain. Recognize, allow, investigate, and then nurture. Recognize when you're feeling miserable about something. Hmm, what's bothering me right now? Like that little irritation in the clam. What's bothering me? I'm going to allow that feeling. I'm going to see that feeling. I'm going to accept that feeling. I'm going to investigate it somewhat. where is that neck Why am I suddenly feeling negative? And then you'll recognize,
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Oh, it's because this, because I'm focusing on that, I'm missing this. It's that I'm focusing on, I'm lacking that. Then once we have that clarity, we have the opportunity to nurture ourselves, to nourish ourselves, to focus on gratitude, focus on all the blessings that we do have in our life.
00:07:57
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So that that which is irritating us doesn't overpower us. It's not seen as us. it We can objectify it and look at, oh, ah having a negative feeling right now, analyzing it, and then we can choose to come back to a place of gratitude.
00:08:16
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very interesting that what you're saying is like we're having a bad day yeah instead of wallowing in self-pity. Yes. The thing to do is to investigate and understand the reasons why we're having a bad day and or why we're doing something that we don't enjoy and then try I suppose to eliminate those we don't If something goes wrong, they say any fool can make a mistake, but only an idiot makes the same mistake twice. Yes, exactly. What you're saying is like, you're having a bad day. Well, there is a reason for having a bad day. Work out what that reason is and don't allow that reason to happen again. Yes, exactly. And it's not even a whole day. You're having a bad moment. like Analyze why write this moment am I suddenly feeling sad? That person didn't smile at me when I smiled.
00:09:11
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I smiled at them, they didn't smile back, analyze these things. And instead of getting down about that, you're like, oh my goodness, I gave that person a smile. They really needed it because they couldn't even smile back. Suddenly you're in a better mood. Like you can you can change it all around into a place of gratitude.
00:09:31
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That is so interesting. When you're walking along the pavement and somebody's walking towards you, the the natural thing I think to do is to smile at them. You don't always get a smile back, but you then have to, like you say, think that person isn't having a good day. But they got at least one smile during the day. yeah really nice way of looking at things, really nice.
Building a Habit of Gratitude
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But you also mentioned this thing about gratitude as well. Tell me more about gratitude. It's it's really the secret to happiness. It's so simple. we We have made our lives really complicated, but what I finally found out in life and what changed my life is that secret to happiness, that our whole purpose for being here
00:10:20
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is to experience gratitude. That's really our entire job. That sort of rolls off your tongue. But what do you mean? We exist. We are here. Our existence is to experience gratitude. What does that mean? He said throwing his hands up in the air, sort of like waving them around. What does that mean? We have the opportunity every moment to choose to be grateful. Well, what's the difference between a happy life and a miserable life? oh It's how grateful you are. It's really that's it. And we all
00:10:58
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We all have the same voice in our heads. It's a little bit different, but there the voice is saying to each person in an own individual way, custom customized to each person, there but there's a voice trying to get you miserable all day long. It's working on you from morning till night saying, you are missing this. You are lacking that. You shouldn't be happy. You should be miserable.
00:11:28
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and And what I finally discovered is we all think we're the only ones hearing this, but every single person is hearing this, and it comes in all different disguises. I just wrote a children's book about this, because the earlier we could learn this in life, the better. Otherwise, we have to play catch up later on in life whenever we learn it. But I'm teaching this to really young children. If you get these happiness skills early on in life,
00:11:57
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then you have such a more empowered life to be able to choose joy. So yes basically this voice and our job, we why do we have this voice? It's really a gift. It's a personal trainer being given to each of us. All we have to do is exercise our gratitude muscles, pushing it off, push off that the recognize It's not you, it's this, it's this personal trainer that you've been given to become a more grateful person. Yeah, I can appreciate what you say when we get these, this voice inside our head telling us that we should be miserable because we haven't got, we haven't done all these sorts of things. You'll see ah things on social media saying like, how many of these cities have you visited? And you're thinking like,
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Well, maybe I have, maybe I haven't, ah but somebody else has always scored more. It's you haven't got the right design of trainers. You haven't got the right design of what this, that, the other, all these various yeah things. And you could develop this fear of missing out. And what you're saying is that we need to turn down the volume on that voice saying you're missing out on something and turn up the volume on the voice that says, well, actually you've got that and no one else has that. Or what you've got is really special.
00:13:17
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yes exactly More, more easy to say than it is to do though, isn't it? It's more difficult to say, sorry, it is more, it is easier to say than it is to do. So how do we make it happen? Well, you'd be surprised how easy it is because what are the most, what's the easiest way to change a habit? By making it enjoyable. We we we find that it takes 400 repetitions to change a habit.
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But if 10 to 20 repetitions and we've got a new habit down, if it's done joyfully, if it's done playfully, and being grateful is joyful. So it's really not hard to develop a gratitude habit. we It feels awkward at first, but just start doing it and you'll see what happens to your mood.
00:14:14
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Now, it sounds as if developing a gratitude habit is something of a journey. he exactly Exactly. You know, when you get in a car,
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and And you try to travel on this rocky road that has never been traveled on, it's really hard to do. But once you create those grooves, it gets easier and easier. It's the same way with our neural pathways. When we create the neural pathways of gratitude, when we create gratitude pathways in our brain, it gets easier and easier to practice gratitude.
00:14:55
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But if you're going on a journey, you either look at a map or you get the computer in the car to tell you the way to go. What is the way to go in order to build this joyful life, this life based on gratitude? It's an evolution, I'm i'm sure, but what are the steps that people can take? I learned something that is from ancient mystical wisdom, but it's totally timeless. And it's called the pleasure ladder.
00:15:24
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there are five rungs on the pleasure ladder. And it corresponds to our five fingers. In other words, we have the ability to bring joy into our lives at any moment. it We have it right in our own hands, right in front of our eyes. So we these five levels of pleasure,
00:15:48
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they correspond to the five levels of the human soul. So it's universal. And the lowest level of the soul is the part that's attached to the body.
00:15:59
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And at this level so on this level, it's all the natural physical pleasures. The lowest level of pleasure is experiencing gratitude for all the natural physical pleasures in this world. It could be the natural foods we've been given, spending time in nature, exercising, dancing, swimming, gardening, music.
00:16:26
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All of these things are natural pleasures. When we experience them with gratitude, it nourishes both our bodies and our souls. How do we move up the ladder?
00:16:38
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So if you want to go up the ladder, can I get an example on that level of an orange? On that level, like we can't always eat natural things with mindful gratitude. But like if we did, just think of all the joy it could bring.
00:16:57
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I'm holding an orange in my hands right now. You know how the fruit are green when they are camouflaged in with the leaves? They're being protected till they get ready and then they get bright and beautiful and they call to us, we're ready. That means they're the most vivid color so we can get pleasure looking at them.
00:17:19
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smelling them and then they are packed in a, they're packed in a peel that keeps this sweet juiciness in for months. When we open this peel, we get to taste all that's been kept inside for us.
00:17:37
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We enjoy the taste, the pleasurable taste. And at the end, we're left with seeds, which are designed to become trees and infinite more oranges. It's an amazing experience, and that is just having gratitude for one little orange.
Exploring the Pleasure Ladder
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And meanwhile, in life,
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there are so many gifts that we have right this very minute in our lives, you know, if we open our eyes and see it. So that's just an example on the lowest level of pleasure. So you're you're almost talking about there, instead of ah ah meeting an orange, it's thinking about the orange as really the miracle that it is and all the things that it does, you eat in a more conscious way. Yes. Which will highlight for you the things to be grateful about a meal. So the idea of eating on the go, you know, we should be taking time out of our day, like the French do when they drink coffee. You never see a French person walking down the street with a cardboard cup of coffee.
00:18:42
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They take time to enjoy their cup of coffee. Yes, but but here's the thing. Just be grateful whenever you do it. Plenty of times I don't eat mindfully. That's okay too.
00:18:56
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Don't be down on yourself. but But whenever you do get the opportunity, that is a gratitude moment. It's a gratitude exercise. So we have this we have this potential throughout the day, all day long, to be grateful for so many gifts in our lives that are filled, just like this orange, with loving compassion and infinite intelligence to bring us so much joy.
00:19:23
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And it's okay if you don't feel grateful. That's okay too. Don't don't worry about that. Just be grateful for the moments when you are grateful. This is a win-win-win-win-win situation. What what's the second run on the ladder? then The next rung up is love. Now this is interesting because you what we said that everything on this is empowering. We have it in our hands. How could we have love in our hands? We need somebody else to to give us love, right? But here we are going by an ancient definition of love.
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which is to focus on the virtues of another. We all have that ability, even if we're in prison, in solitary confinement.
00:20:13
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A person could focus on, let's say, a grandmother that once did a kindness for them. In that moment, they are filled with this warm emotional feeling of love that could inspire them. In other words, we can bring love into our lives at any moment, focusing on what we appreciate about another person.
00:20:36
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It's been grateful, isn't it? It's been grateful for the person that smiled us as we walked down the road. It's been grateful for the ah person who helped us with a bag or you know gave but the parking space in the parking lot. Just the small little things that someone does for us to to be grateful for those. ah yeah What's number three?
00:21:00
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And then going up, the third level up is doing something good and meaningful. So like I was on another show when I got to this level, the host said he was he was eat he was feeling miserable and lonely.
00:21:17
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And he was eating ah a big box of pizza all by himself. He finished two slices and he's about to plow through the whole rest of the box when there's a knock on his door. He helps his neighbor for two minutes. He comes back into his apartment and he no longer wants the pizza. What changed?
00:21:39
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That's an interesting question because food for many people is a is a solution to loneliness or being unhappy. yeah We eat when we're unhappy. We have our favorite comfort foods. So what yeah changed? What changed? I suppose he's um he's he's filled his appetite or satisfied his appetite by doing something for someone else. He no longer feels empty.
00:22:07
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Yes. Yes, exactly. He felt grateful to be able to help somebody else. He created connection. Why do we overeat? Or why do we have other addictions? We feel alienated, estranged, cut off alone. We feel a sense of scarcity of pleasure in our life. So we keep stuffing our faces because it brings immediate pleasure. And we want the pleasure to keep lasting. That's what we're all after.
00:22:38
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lasting pleasure in life and what brings lasting pleasure? Gratitude. That is what really fills us up. So we we go for all these external things, hoping that we'll fill the hunger, but it's not that kind of hunger. It's a spiritual hunger that only gratitude can really fill. Yes. You mentioned the word spiritual there. It's a strange word to use in many ways, because for some people it will evoke the religion, but you're not talking about religion, are you?
00:23:10
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I'm talking about that we are more than our bodies. and There is a divine spark in all of us. It's something beyond, way beyond our bodies that I think we all can relate to. And it's about nourishing that divine spark in all of us. That's a genuine hunger that needs to be filled. and Again, we we think when we mistake that we're only bodies, we try to fill it with these external things and that won't fill the hall. So recognizing that the whole container of ice cream will never fill us up.
00:23:49
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The whole bag of potato chips won't do it because in fact we'll get, and we'll feel even emptier after we finish those things. yeah But gratitude will work. And and going up this pleasure ladder, any rung on this pleasure ladder will work to fill us up. That's the amazing thing.
00:24:09
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Yeah, you've got me thinking now
Reframing Negativity with Gratitude
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that actually when you've had a bad day or you're in a bad mood, whatever it is, you've got to almost stand still for a moment and reframe the situation. Think about it differently and then take a different course of action. don't Don't lose your temper. Don't swear. Don't swear it yourself. Just think about the situation in a different way and you almost need to have an arsenal, so to speak.
00:24:42
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here of ways to or an arsenal of things to think about that will change your mood. So think about something that makes you happy, something that, like you say, you can remember something that you enjoyed some an occasion when somebody made you happy, somebody did something for you. And what you're saying is that that then will help you to be grateful for the situation that you're in at that time.
00:25:15
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Exactly. And you are not distracting yourself from the negative situation. That's what people think. It's not a distraction. You are doing exactly what you will put here to do. You are going back to being a grateful soul. That's it. You are recognizing the abundance of ways to bring proud pleasure into your life in this amazing garden that we've been given.
00:25:41
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That's great. So, you know, we've talked about three of these five runs on the ladder, three of the five fingers you talked about on your hands. People will be sitting here listening to us and thinking, like, when is it going to say number four, number four, number four, number five, number five. But actually, I'm not going to tell people I want people to.
00:26:07
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Where can people find out about finger four and finger five? Oh, yeah. So on my website, we actually you can actually download a free chart of the Pleasure Letter. I encourage people to print it out and put it on their fridge or their cupboard to remind them there is no scarcity of pleasure in your life. That's an illusion.
00:26:33
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The reality is that there's an ah abundance of ways right this very minute for you to fill yourself up with gratitude. So I hope people will check that out on my website, which is getsbookshop.com. And gets is spelled which way?
00:26:50
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Very funny. G-O-E-T-Z. You don't pronounce the O, but it's getsbookshop dot.com. Yeah. Sorry. I'm feeling very grateful today because you have used the American description of what we in the UK call crisps. You talked about a bag of potato chips. A bag of potato chips is something that we get from the fish and chip shop and they're hot and straight. And we get crisps, which are round and... Yeah.
00:27:19
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They're crisp. That's why we call them crisp. And we get those from the shop in a bag and they're cold. Thank you. Thank you for explaining that. yeah you You have um made me grateful for that site.
Conclusion: Gratitude in Aging and Podcasting
00:27:32
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Like people have said, want people separated by a common language, which is huge. But it's been absolutely fantastic having a conversation with you today. Baraka gets. Thank you. Thank you very much.
00:27:48
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Thank you. I am Michael Millboard, the grateful managing director of Abacida. And in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with a Braca Goetz, the Harvard educated author of Now We Know, not 40, but 42 books that help children's souls shine. You can find out more about both of us at abacida.co.uk. There's a link in the description.
00:28:15
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