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Forest for the Trees - a conversation with Michael O’Neal

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Michael O’Neal owns Reform Health and Performance, a personal training gym in Birmingham Alabama, USA.

Michael is also an athlete whose athletic career was cut short by injury. Nothing unusual about that you might say, but Michael’s road to recovery was not straightforward.

In this episode of the Abeceder podcast Fit For My Age Michael O’Neal explains to host Michael Millward what he discovered during that journey about health care and how he developed a new paradigm for health, performance, and longevity in his book Forest for the Trees.

Host and guest discuss the differences in approaches to health care in Birmingham Alabama and Birmingham England, and how health care decisions are made in different places.

Michael also explains how this new paradigm helped him to define his approach to health, well-being, and performance, and how Reform Health and Performance implements that approach.

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Introduction and Zencastr Promotion

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Podcast's Purpose and Guest Introduction

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All the details are in the description. Now that I have told you how wonderful Zencaster is when making podcasts, we should make one. One that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to.
00:01:08
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Very importantly, on Fit for My Age, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think. Today, my guest, who I met on Matchmaker.fm, Michael O'Neill from the deep south of the United States.
00:01:24
Speaker
Hello, Michael. Hello, Michael.
00:01:28
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It always makes me laugh when that happens. Whereabouts in the world are you, Michael? I am somewhere where we do not say whereabouts. im i am in I am in Birmingham, but Birmingham, Alabama in the United States, the deep south, as you just described.
00:01:45
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My family originally are from Birmingham and the surrounding areas, Birmingham in England.

Travel Club and Gym Introduction

00:01:52
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Whether you'd like to visit Birmingham in England or Birmingham in Alabama, take my advice and make all your travel arrangements at the Ultimate Travel Club.
00:02:01
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It's where you'll get trade prices on flights, hotels, holidays and all sorts of other travel related purchases. There is a link and a membership discount code in the description. Now, Michael, tell us a little bit about Michael O'Neill.
00:02:16
Speaker
Well, I am a gym owner. My gym is called Reform Health and Performance, and we are based in Birmingham, Alabama.
00:02:26
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I'm an author. i have a book called Forest for the Trees, and the book is written based on my past 10 plus years of experience in health, fitness, and what led to me, a former college football player,
00:02:42
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middle school English teacher, and then licensed massage therapist, and then personal trainer to decide to open his own gym based on problems that I had and that my clients had.
00:02:58
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that we're not being solved through the usual channels that people first pursue when a problem, you a physical problem, pain, dysfunction usually pops up.
00:03:12
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So our gem is based on the gem in the book are based on trying to provide streamlined solutions where mainstream solutions tend to fail.

Healthcare System Critique

00:03:22
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people have an expectation about what healthcare care is, and yet that as a model and approach isn't always the right solution for every person or even every type different type of condition.
00:03:36
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Correct. Now, this will also be interesting because I'll be speaking through the lens of American healthcare. So it'll be interesting to see how the American healthcare experience maps to the British or European healthcare experience.
00:03:51
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So feel feel free to let me know, chime in if if something resonates as the same or is strikingly different. But most people in America are starting to understand that the health care model is not health care. It is sick care.
00:04:07
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And it is primarily reactive care, not preventative care. I would agree with you. Here in the United Kingdom, our healthcare care system, our national health service, is free at the point of need, although we all contribute towards it.
00:04:26
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It is, like you say, similar to the US model in that we use it when we're sick and we go to a doctor with symptoms and the doctor takes steps, actions, recommends or prescribes drugs and other treatments Yes, I'll share my story.
00:04:44
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what When did I realize this problem? How did I suffer from it and how have other people who I work with suffer from it? In America, we have a game called football. And over there in Europe, y'all refer to it as American football.
00:05:00
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If you're familiar with the game at all, I played that game ah from middle school all the way through college. And my position was the one that you Europeans find more interesting than anyone else in America does.
00:05:13
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I was the kicker. yeah So i would I would walk out on the field and it was my job to kick the ball between the post or punt the ball as far as I could down the field. Right. So just for a moment, just for a moment, because we have people do something similar in rugby and what you just said makes me think, would you be on the pitch simply to kick that ball and then walk off the pitch?
00:05:36
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Yes. Or do you play the whole game? no just future American football is much more specialized, especially at the higher level. So if you look at, if you look at your rugby players, they, they have similar builds and they have similar skills.
00:05:51
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You know, of course, there's going to be some variability, but for the most part, if you're going to play rugby, you have to be big. You have to be strong. You have to be fast.
00:06:02
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You have to be good with your feet as well. In football, if you look at the football positions, there are guys who are very big, but not fast. There are guys who are very fast, but not big.
00:06:15
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And then on the on the team, you have a couple of guys who may not be very big. They may not be very fast, but they are very coordinated with their feet. And those are the got those are the guys who ah they we run out on the field.
00:06:29
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They snap the ball. We kick it through the uprights or we kick it and don't put it through the uprights sometimes. And then we run off on the field. So ah American football is much more isolated.
00:06:42
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Whereas yeah rugby, you you have to do a lot more to make it on the rugby field. Whereas with American football, you can you can find your lane and you can stay in it. If you're a big guy, well, you don't have to be fast because we can just put you at a big guy position.
00:07:00
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Much more technical. Yes. There's a parallel here because and my book, I talk about the hyper specialization of medical professionals.
00:07:11
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And in the the book, which the title is called Forest for the Trees, and the metaphor that I use is that when you're navigating healthcare, you're trying to solve some sort of problem. You run around from an orthopedic surgeon, you get an um MRI, and then a physical therapist, and then maybe you hire a personal trainer, then you have a massage therapist, but you might also have a chiropractor.
00:07:34
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You're running around all these different trees. And each professional is a tree unto themselves. When you show up to the office of a particular professional, you are, I call it, I call it in the book, I call it a face to bark view.
00:07:53
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So your face is just right in front of that tree. You can visualize that, right? Yes. And when you're so, when you just have your face to the bark of that tree, you are blind to every other tree, to every other possible solution.
00:08:09
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And now maybe this this particular tree refers you to another tree, but you're still just getting sent around from tree to tree to tree. And no one has the elevated view of being able to see the entire forest.

Injury Journey and Healthcare Challenges

00:08:26
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Yes. If you have that higher view of the entire forest and you can see all of the trees, not up close, but you can have a more of a 30,000 foot view of them.
00:08:37
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I suppose 30,000 feet would be too high to really see a forest, but you get what I'm saying. yeah You're, you're, you're above the canopy of this forest. And whereas each tree with its own face to bark view cannot see its relationship to the other trees.
00:08:54
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If you have a professional who can ascend above the forest, then while that professional may not be as skilled at any one particular tree, that professional can see the relationship among all or at least multiple trees.
00:09:11
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So this metaphor actually maps to, hey, you're kind of the generalist athlete of rugby versus the hyper-specialized athlete of football. And my problem as both an athlete and as someone who was seeking a solution for the pain that being an athlete caused Is that I was so hyper specialized. All I did from a very young age was kick the football.
00:09:36
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I kicked the football. I kicked the football. I kicked the football. I put my body through the same pattern over and over and over again. I played to my strengths and I ignored my weaknesses.
00:09:47
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And while my strengths were really good, my weaknesses were really bad. And guess where the injury occurred? Where the really bad weaknesses were. It was in high school.
00:10:00
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And I went for a kick during summer workouts and there was a rip in my hip flexor. And I had no idea what happened. It felt like a bomb had gone off in my right hip. I'm actually a lefty. I kick lefty, but the injury the injury was on my plant leg.
00:10:17
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I stood up and I had to limp off the field in worse shape than my grandfather. And my grandfather had had two hip replacements. But as I was walking off the field, I was like, I am limping off this field.
00:10:31
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like my grandfather posted for placement surgery, this is not good. no not good Not good whatsoever. you know I was 16 at the time. He was 66 at the time. I'm like, this hip is this now has 50 years of wear and tear on it.
00:10:46
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This was the injury that started my journey of running from tree to tree in the healthcare care industry. I went to an orthopedic surgeon. They did an MRI and there was actually no tear.
00:10:57
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So at first I was thinking, oh torn hip labrum, you some sort of structural damage. They did the MRI, the body image, and the doctor said, well, there's no tear, so you don't need surgery.
00:11:11
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I'm going to prescribe you some anti-inflammatories. I'm going to prescribe you some muscle relaxers in case it gets really bad, and I'm going to send you to physical therapy.
00:11:23
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Physical therapy did nothing for me. i actually ended up getting a staph infection from the clinic ah that I was doing physical therapy at. So and now I had ah a bum hip and an infected leg.
00:11:34
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met ah the The healthcare system just doing wonders for 16-year-old Michael at this point. can imagine it must have been very tough for you. Right. We can talk about physical therapy as well, because I believe that field has come a long way. I think it still has a lot of of pitfalls, but I would say the physical therapy clinic I was at that was not effective. I call them physical therapy mills because they are volume based clinics. They're not value based clinics.
00:12:01
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You have to decide, am I going to charge a high price, but not service as many people? Or am I going to service a ton of people but not charge as high of a price? Think of ah like a ah McDonald's.
00:12:14
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Think about hamburgers from a fast food chain is what you're you're going to be saying is they want to serve lots and lots of people. So they require a system and a process, which means they can produce the same meal in a uniform manner, whether that is going to be served in Birmingham, Alabama, or indeed in Birmingham in the UK.
00:12:36
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You know exactly what the burger is going to look like. The comparison to that is then that you have the haute cuisine restaurant where you're eating perfect steak cooked in exactly the perfect way by someone who's done nothing but focus on preparing and cooking that steak and bringing it to your plate.
00:12:55
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It's a completely different product, completely different experience, but one, they will serve one meal every half an hour. The other, they might serve a hundred people in that same half. Right. It's McDonald's versus Michelin and the physical therapy clinic that I was at was a McDonald's and the best, the best outcomes come from the practitioners who function like Michelin five-star restaurants.
00:13:16
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This was 16 year old Michael wondering why he was in pain. If you do need to get cut on, which like I said, I was not a candidate for that or because I was beyond the scope of what the orthopedic surgeon was good at doing.
00:13:30
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The orthopedic surgeon could not help me other than prescribing me pills, which did not help me. If I needed surgery, then absolutely I want an orthopedic surgeon, but I didn't need surgery. I needed to restore my hip function.
00:13:46
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I needed to know why the hip broke down to begin with, because remind you, this was a non-contact injury. It was not as if someone tackled me and I got twisted in ah in a weird way. It was a controlled environment performing a movement that I had performed thousands of times before.
00:14:04
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So it was not a freak accident by any means. It's something that could have been avoided, but it was treated as if it was just bad luck. If the hip is functioning properly, then it would not have torn.
00:14:18
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But the only answers I was getting were, Oh, well, your hamstrings are tight, so you need to stretch on more. i was already stretching 30 to 60 minutes a day.
00:14:29
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Well, your glutes are weak, so we need to get your glutes firing. I was you training pretty regularly in the weight room, so I don't think my glutes were weak. you know I was capable of running, so that didn't really explain it to me.
00:14:45
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But all of these answers were just non-solutions because each tree... was just giving the perspective of the tree. So then the question is, if any given tree could be right, could be wrong, how do you as a non-expert navigate that forest?
00:15:06
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Or is there an expert who can help you navigate the forest so that rather than running around to 17 different trees before maybe you figure out the correct ones that you need to integrate,
00:15:17
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You can be directed to the first two or three and understand the relationship and how they need to integrate into your own pain management or training or long longevity pursuit.
00:15:30
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I'm listening to that and thinking that people are going to say, well, isn't that what your general practitioner is supposed to? Supposed to is an interesting word. Let me tell you about my dad's general practitioner, for example. I actually don't even have a general practitioner. My dad's general practitioner, he sees one to two times a year.
00:15:51
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Every time he goes in they take his blood pressure and they prescribe him the same blood pressure meds that they've been prescribing him for 25 to 30 years. There's the function of his general practitioner.
00:16:02
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to renew his blood pressure medication prescription the general practitioner has never taught him how to move his shoulder when he has shoulder pain his general practitioner can prescribe him anti-inflammatories and muscle relaxers when he has shoulder pain but he's never taught him how to make his shoulder a better shoulder absent of referring him to an orthopedic surgeon for shoulder surgery you see the problem with the the disparate trees if it's not a pill If it's not a surgery, ah maybe a different pill.

Preventative Care vs. Reactive Healthcare

00:16:34
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I don't know. Maybe, oh, I could send you to physical therapy, but you're going to refer me to the one that my insurance company likes to cover, not the provider that's best for my solution.
00:16:45
Speaker
So we're hiring these people who are actually not being paid by us. If your healthcare is covered by insurance, you are not the client. The insurance company is the client. I think that's very important for people to understand.
00:16:58
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Because you you could have the best practitioner in the world who went into his or her field with the absolute best of intentions could be absolutely brilliant.
00:17:09
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But that practitioner could be in a system that cripples them from giving you the care that you need. And I talk to physical therapists about this all the time. They say they're treating their patients with one hand but tied behind their back because they have to make sure that all of the treatment they are providing fits the correct insurance billing code when they know they might have some other interventions that would be better for the patient, but they can't do it legally. like They can't bill for it.
00:17:34
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The incentive structure matters more than the credentials or even the the competence of the provider. You can have an outstanding provider in an awful system.
00:17:47
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I think it's very important for people to understand that if the care they're receiving is covered by insurance. They are not the primary client. The insurance company is the primary client.
00:18:00
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Now, I'm not here to you flip the tables on the insurance companies. you when Like when I've needed surgery, I'm thankful that I had insurance to cover that surgery. But that was when i was I was at the right tree for the right problem.
00:18:16
Speaker
But there are some times where the incentive structures don't work. And you have to understand the incentives of your care providers. If your care is being covered by insurance, your care is being determined more by an actuary who's running spreadsheets than the medical professional who is supposed to make the best clinical decisions for you.
00:18:41
Speaker
I can see what you mean. And I totally get this idea that if there is an insurance company involved, the system will mean that the insurance company is the client and the practitioner has to make sure that the service that they give you meets the criteria that is determined by the insurance company.
00:18:59
Speaker
So what have you done with your gym and your business, which helps to solve this? Healthcare is reactionary. My gym is preventative.
00:19:10
Speaker
I've spent a lot of time criticizing yeah the healthcare industry. I think that the things that you've said about the healthcare system in America, i live in the United Kingdom and there are people saying exactly the same type of criticisms of our NHS.
00:19:28
Speaker
The NHS does some fantastic things, but we as a nation, we always seem to find the one thing that it doesn't do particularly well on a particular day. It's always, because we care about it so much, it is always open to criticism.
00:19:42
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And I think that is a universal, regardless of where you are in the world, people care about their health service.

Lifestyle Changes and Health Impacts

00:19:49
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Everybody wants them to be to be better. but We're all grateful that they're there, but we all want them to be the best that they can possibly be. And I think what you're saying that the reality of healthcare systems around the world is that their reaction. Yes.
00:20:05
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We've had other guests on Fit For My Age as well, who are saying similar sorts of things to yourself around how healthcare must become more preventative.
00:20:16
Speaker
And as individuals, we need to understand more about what we do that might put us in the situation where we need to engage with a reactionary healthcare provision rather than being in control of the proactive measures that we can take in order to make sure that we don't have to engage with the reactive aspects of the healthcare service. Imagine this.
00:20:40
Speaker
We're going to travel back in time. And I want you to imagine your... Seventh great-grandparents, who most of us probably don't know, and think about what their day would have been like.
00:20:52
Speaker
They probably would have lived their entire life within ah a handful of miles radius, but at the same time, they would have walked several thousand steps a day. They would not have had a nice, convenient grocery store. They certainly would not have had fast food.
00:21:06
Speaker
They would have woken up possibly not knowing where their next meal was coming from. yeah if we If we were to go back even more generations like hunter-gatherer, then you wake up almost certainly not knowing where your next meal is coming from.
00:21:19
Speaker
You're very connected to the land that you live on. You're very connected to the food that you are growing or raising and then butchering, maybe butchering and preparing. What we're talking about is going seven generations back would take us into an era where people were moving from the countryside into the cities all over the world and started working in factories, long hours. They didn't have the opportunity to grow their own food and they were reliant upon a food system that didn't actually exist.
00:21:50
Speaker
in the same way as we have now. You could not go to the shop and buy whatever it was that you wanted. You had to take what was there. You can see that in the censuses and the records, he said, as the British history buff type of thing, it's like people had all sorts of illnesses which were we now know are related to diet and clean water.
00:22:12
Speaker
I can see the connection that you're making between what happened when people have access to the ability to grow their own food and to prepare healthy meals and be active and that how you compare that to people who are more akin to where we are today.
00:22:30
Speaker
if you're living in an apartment in a city, you don't have as much land to grow vegetables, for example. You take what's available in the supermarket, which could be several days and several thousand miles away from where it was grown, nutritionally devalued as a result.
00:22:48
Speaker
We have a Western lifestyle, which not the best lifestyle to have to a guarantee or to ensure that you have good health. about trade-offs. We moved from hunter-gatherers to the agricultural age, from the agricultural age to the industrial age.
00:23:03
Speaker
And then if we moved into the digital age, which is what we're we're in now, our species was made to move, was made to interact with our environment. And with every change of the age from hunter-gatherer to agricultural, to industrial, to digital, we have been required to move less and less and less.
00:23:27
Speaker
Our environment is mismatched to our biology. We're not going to be able to change our environment. We're not reversing the digital revolution. I don't think anyone wants to roll back the clock that long, but that means that we have traded acute disease for chronic disease, acute disease, which from the trend, the transition from agriculture to industrial would have increased with a higher population density, more disease spread, you know, more,
00:23:56
Speaker
ah You know, plague or you know, we had our own plague in 2020. But while our reactionary medicine is very good at solving acute conditions, in fact, a lot fewer people are dying of infections than they did some years ago.
00:24:09
Speaker
But a lot more people are dying of heart disease, of cancer. So we have traded acute illness for a chronic illness. And the unfortunate thing about the chronic illness is that all of our chronic illnesses are diseases of decision.
00:24:23
Speaker
Accidents happen. If you break your leg, that is acute. Heart disease does not happen overnight. Absolutely. Some people are genetically predisposed to it. I am more genetically predisposed to it. My dad and i are the only two men on his side of the family who have not had heart attacks.
00:24:40
Speaker
Now, what do I do with that information? Do I eat McDonald's and live a sedentary lifestyle and say, oh it's genetics. Fat runs in families, but so do frying pans. Our gym is designed to get people back to the human baseline.
00:24:55
Speaker
The digital age does not require a human baseline. of physical activity to survive. You can survive without taking 10,000 steps a day, without picking berries or hunting a deer.
00:25:06
Speaker
You can survive in your office job, but that means that your biology is mismatched to your environment. If you just survive with your sedentary digital age lifestyle, you will waste away internally.

Systems Approach to Health

00:25:22
Speaker
That means that we have to create another environment so that we can develop your biology in the way it was designed. You have an office job that doesn't require you to be physically active. So you have to go to the gym to be physically active.
00:25:38
Speaker
It's sort of strange because we solved we solved one problem, but then in that we created another problem, right? Right. Yes. Yeah, I can see that. Work is changing all the time and we need to design more into the process of work to enable people to do it in a healthier way, in a more proactively health management way. Or we need to design work in a way that enables it to contribute proactively to the process of maintaining good mental and physical health. to this point, we have identified a few problems.
00:26:15
Speaker
Our biology is mismatched to our environment. That creates physical problems. The solutions that we seek to those physical problems are confusing at best and counterproductive at worst.
00:26:29
Speaker
So is what you do then treat people as individuals and create health performance fitness programs, which are not so much sessions in the gym, more of a strategy for how they spend their whole day? One of the mantras that we have at our gym is systems over goals.
00:26:49
Speaker
We laid out the first two problems. Biology is mismatched to environment. The solutions we seek to solve the problems created by that mismatch are confusing at best and counterproductive at worst.
00:27:02
Speaker
Now, let's say that we've brought someone to the point where they know they need to be more physically active. They're ready to be more physically active. They're going to join that gym. They're going to buy that online program.
00:27:14
Speaker
Maybe they're even going to hire a personal trainer. Now we get to my industry, which is the wild, wild west. Should I join this boot camp?
00:27:26
Speaker
Do I need to do barbell exercises? Do I need to do bodyweight exercises? Is there an exercise that burns fat? Is there six minute ab program?
00:27:38
Speaker
This professional athlete is selling this program that he used to do. yeah So now in the context of my industry, there's a tree, there's a tree, there's a tree, there's a tree, there's a tree, there's a tree.
00:27:51
Speaker
And most fitness professionals are better marketers of their particular tree than they are providers of a legitimate service. So now I'm directing the criticism toward my industry now. I've taken lot of shots at the healthcare industry. care industry ah taken a lot of shots at the overall environment, this mismatch our biology. So now I'm going have some sense of self-awareness and talk about how is my industry adding to all that noise that is delaying the solutions that people need.
00:28:26
Speaker
Our gym is designed to streamline those solutions, but our gym is a response to the fitness industry creating so much noise about people would actually need.
00:28:37
Speaker
So at our gym, we try to distill everything down to the biggest bang for your buck exercises and programs that give people what they need to support their life outside the gym.
00:28:51
Speaker
We talk about systems over goals. Fitness is very goal oriented. What's your weight loss goal? What's your deadlift goal? What's your goal to have six pack abs by?
00:29:03
Speaker
All of these goals are short-sighted. I don't work with anyone for six weeks, for four sessions. When I work with people, I say, I need you to be here frequently enough that you're progressing, but not so much that you're burning out.
00:29:21
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To be here enough that we're changing behaviors to give you the physical outcomes you want, but not so much that this is overwhelming the other priorities in your life, such as work and family.
00:29:33
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Our gym is a system that is designed to give people what they need, that will meet their biological needs in an environment that is mismatched to their biological needs.
00:29:44
Speaker
We always talk about systems over goals. The goal is the outcome. It's any particular outcome you might want. The system is the set of necessary and conditioned behaviors that will lead to that outcome.
00:29:59
Speaker
That sounds really interesting. I don't view our gym as a gym. I view our gym as a system. So it's a completely different thing. That's really great. What I need to do is say thank you very much, but I want to arrange another appointment so that we can talk more about the gym as a system. Yeah, I think that'd be awesome.
00:30:18
Speaker
Thank you very much for your time today. I've learned a lot. You can always tell I'm learning when I'm quiet, but um thank you very much. I really do appreciate your time. Thank you.

Episode Closing and Health Proactivity

00:30:27
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I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abucida, and in this episode of Fit for My Age, I have been having a conversation with Michael O'Neill.
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You can find out more about both of us at abucida.co.uk. At Fit for My Age, our aim is proactive positive aging. Knowing the risks early is an important part of maintaining good health.
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Until the next episode of Fit For My Age, thank you for listening and goodbye.