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Diverse Discourse: DEI Struggles and Rap Rivalries
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In this episode, Jared and Student Doctor Isabella have a heavy discussion about diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) being under attack, new findings regarding a bacteria linked to colon cancer, Drake Vs everybody in the rap game, the Quiet on Set documentary and more!
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AMEC 2024 Reflections
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Now, let's start the show.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to SNMA Presents the Lounge. And this is our first episode after AMEC 2024 in NOLA. So, you know, after attending all the sessions and fairs... Oh, sorry. Actually, I need to introduce myself.
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I was about to say, who this talking? I'm like, yeah, this could be your very first episode. You wouldn't even know who the heck is talking. Yeah, right. Come on. We could have got a lot of new listeners after AMEC. You never know. Right. You're right. Well, hello, everyone. I'm student Dr. Isabella. So we always start off our episodes with a question of the day. And so my question of the day is, after attending all of the sessions and the fairs, what would you guys say is the biggest take home or most impactful moment that you can appreciate from attending AMEC 2024?
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So I'll start. For me, I definitely think that it was having the opportunity to attend the exhibition fairs and it actually being useful for me this year. I am applying to residency next year. There was a lot of residency programs represented at the exhibition fair. So I did do a lot of networking. I got to learn about a lot of different programs, learn about a lot of different features of programs that I never even thought about before. So that was just really nice to have that opportunity to kind of prime myself before I start getting into the application and
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trying to decide like which place would be the best fit for me. So yeah, that's gotta be my favorite. What about you? How you doing everybody? My name is aspiring student, Dr. Jared Jeffery. And in a very similar vein, Isabella, the exhibition fair was really good this year.
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I'll say that, you know, I got to talk to a lot of schools. So I'm actually applying to medical school this cycle myself as well. So we're in very similar boats. And I got to schmooze, rub a couple of elbows, definitely got some emails and some contacts that I think I'll be really helpful. I think my favorite part of the exhibitor fear though, and this is, you know, I'm a little biased because I got there on Friday.
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I got some really good head shots. I got some really good head shots. I needed those for like, you know, my professional portfolio. I didn't have to wait in that super long line from Saturday. And like, those are like really fire. As far as the session that was most impactful to me, though, I talked to a lot of a lot of E.M. doctors while I was out there. I think there was like an E.M. conference earlier that weekend, Nola. So a lot of them stayed back and, you know, they were very present at the exhibit affair, right?
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And so I said, you know, I'm gonna try out an EM skill session. And the EM skill session was a great time, was a lot of fun. They had, we did ocular ultrasound, forearm ultrasound. We practiced intubation on infants and children. And there was one other, oh suturing. Fire session, it was two hours, it was packed.
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Like getting a spot at a table was like, yo, like first come, first serve. Like it was a great session. And you know, one of those things where it's really like, you know, I'm in a stage where I'm still like exploring what specialties I'm interested in, what kind of skills I want to use on a regular basis. So like to be able to see something like that on a practical applicative level, fire, fire. Well, now you probably know why I'm applying into EM. So it's a great, great, great field. It tracks great. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. I forgot. Yeah.
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You did try to take me out though about that sutra because I remember, I remember very clearly, you know, we had to meet up and unfortunately you said that I held you back from sutra. I said I could teach you. I know, I've been doing this already. I caught the demonstration but I didn't get to do it myself but yeah, I'm gonna hold you to that. We'll have time, we'll have time.
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Okay. Okay. Um, yeah, let us know your thoughts
Medicine and Community Issues: Autism and Health Equity
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about AMEC. You know, if you guys were there, um, definitely like drop something in the email and we'll definitely read your letters on air. Um, but now it's time for everybody's favorite session of the soul run the list for our preclinical students. Running the patient list on the wards allows the team to address pressing matters of the day. And in this segment of the show, we'll be discussing some recent events in medicine and some things that are affecting our communities as well as the populations that we serve.
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So let's get right into it. It's going to be, it's going to feel real conversational today. You know, we don't got Alduin for you to butt heads with. Do you think that's probably why it's a little bit more peaceful right now on this, on this recording? You see, you see some kind of noise would have been made right now if Alduin was here. Butt heads with him and he's not here is insane. Yo, Alduin big ups to you, bro. We'll look for you in the next recording, bro. Yeah, we'll see you next time Aldi.
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I mean, you got me weak, but yeah, let's get right into it. So for the month of April, we are celebrating or acknowledging, I'll say autism acceptance month. Right. And so, you know, just a couple of things that might be like, you know, lesser known or like less talked about with regard to autism. Autism can be like reliably diagnosed by specialists, you know, as early as the age of two. However, the average age of a diagnosis is the age five. Right.
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The first age of intervention for autism within the United States. I'm sorry, did I say first? I meant like average. The average age that will intervene for autism is like 4.7 years. And the average age of diagnosis for children that are from lower income households is 4.7 years compared to 5.2 years in higher income households, which I think is pretty interesting.
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One in 36 children in the US have autism as of 2024 from the CDC. And in the US, about four in 100 boys and one in 100 girls will be diagnosed with autism. Right. Wow. So it seems like autism is more common in boys, is diagnosed earlier in lower income households compared to higher income households. You have any speculation for why that might be?
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Yeah, that's a good point. I wonder if.
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I wonder if there is a lower threshold to diagnose a person who is of a lower income background with autism, maybe not because they actually have it, but because there's other factors at play that could be presenting like autism. Maybe there's trauma in the household or maybe there is like a lack of resources and the kid is picking up on that. And so I just, to me, I wonder is this like actual autism that we're diagnosing with each of these kids or is it more so
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what we call in research confounding factors that are causing the results to look like it's autism. So I do find that interesting because I find that interesting. Yeah. My thought process went a different direction. My speculation would think perhaps someone in a high income household would be more likely to resist a diagnosis like that.
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So like, like you may be at a checkup and a physician may say, Oh, like, you know, I want to give your child this test for autism. Oh, we don't need it. Right. We don't need it. Because, you know, I think one of the things that happens is, uh, you know, parents may feel like stigmatized or less than as a result of a diagnosis like this. And they'll, you know, ignorance is bliss in that sense. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the first time around, it may come as like a jolting shock and maybe they'll put it off or resist for a little bit.
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I could see that. That's actually a very valid – that's another valid way to look at it. But yeah, I definitely think that – Yeah, pure speculation on my point. Yeah, yeah. I think both could be true, right? I think both of those things are very possible. And overall, I think it's nice that April's highlighting just autism in general because it is like you already mentioned.
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something that is affecting a lot of children around the United States. And I think there is a lot more things at play to make sure that these children get the resources that they need in order to be at their best, despite their diagnosis.
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Yep, definitely. And I, and I brought up that point just to like, you know, it's Autism Acceptance Month, right? So like, I think that's like an important like distinction to make where like, it's not even just acknowledging the disease, it's or the disorder, it's acknowledging and accepting it, you know what I'm saying? And trying to make sure that you know, we help these people the best that they can and
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see that they have as high a quality of life as possible, right? You mentioned resources and I did want to drop at least one, you know, if you or somebody that you know wants to find out more about different autism resources, you can check out autismspeaks.org. They have a couple of good things over there and the places that you can start if you feel that, you know, you or somebody close to you, maybe
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seeing symptoms or signs of autism. Right. I think that's great. It's important to note that autism affects anybody, all children, especially I can only imagine there's probably certain populations or communities that are going to be more at a disadvantage if say they have a child that has autism or even a kid that does have autism, especially if they are a person of color. It is also National Minority Health Month, and so I want to highlight
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just like I was talking about earlier, some of those other factors that influence people's health that a lot of people don't think about. So this year's theme for National Minority Health Month is be the source for better health, improving health outcomes through our cultures, communities and connections. And it's really all about just understanding how the unique environments, cultures, histories and circumstances, also known as social determinants of health, of racial and ethnic minority and AI and populations impact their overall health. So most of this information is coming directly from hhs.gov.
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And so pretty much they were really just talking about what are the other factors that influence people's health. Is it how much money a household makes? Is it whether or not- You know, I was, I was only about to ask you to break it down. I was like, if Dr. Nee was here, Dr. Nee would be like, Isabella, that was a lot. Could you like come down for me a little bit, like please? Yeah. So, you know, to our listeners, I definitely have to
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talk about the nitty-gritty of it. So social determinants of health are the things that aren't directly your health, but that can still affect your health, right? So how much money does a household make? Are you at the poverty line? Are you lower middle class, upper middle class? Are you rich? And all of these things. Are you having food insecurity that you don't have access to healthy foods? What kind of education system is available for your child?
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What's the safety of the neighborhood? What's the environment look like? Is there- Distance to the closest hospital or primary care facility? All of these things that sometimes we tend to brush off, these are aspects of health that providers are now trying to take into consideration to make sure that they're putting all of their patients in the best possible place that they can.
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Yeah, so that's how I would kind of summarize social determinants of health, but I wonder from your perspective, why do you think that social determinants of health is so necessary when it comes to providing adequate care to patients?
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Um, so it's all about knowing how to serve the population that you're serving, right? So like me, I'm from Brooklyn. Um, there is a plethora of diverse communities, even within Brooklyn, right? Um, if you were to go to, let's say downtown Brooklyn, you're going to see a whole different patient population. And if you were to go to like King's County or Brookdale hospital and essentially
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you need to be able to know the difference between whether your patient can access, can get certain things. So I'll give you a great example that I got from AMEC actually. There was a young lady who told me that some of her patients
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are poverty-stricken. They'll, you know, have less access to resources. They'll be less able to, oh, let's say in your follow-up note it says, get gauze and like reapply gauze to an infected area or something like that. Yeah. Instead of saying, oh, go get the gauze from the store, she'll go into the closet and
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grab the gauze and give it to the patient, you know, and those little things are the building blocks of making sure that you can intervene in a meaningful way for your patients, right? Not to give them directives that are going to be difficult for them to carry out, not
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giving them care that doesn't necessarily align with their way of life. And it's one of those things where being informed on your patients and the ways that they like to live will make you able to give them better care as a provider. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I think that was a great example, just taking the next step, taking the next initiative to serve your patient, knowing that, hey,
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Yeah, you could go out and get the gauze, but maybe it's better if I just give it to you because you're already here. I already have access to it and it could be eliminating a barrier that you may have to having that care. We don't know their transportation situation. We don't know their financial situation. Exactly. When those things are up in the air question-wise, it's just better to err on the side of caution. I'll give you one more anecdote.
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I used to be a medical scribe. And while I was scribing, I was in family care, family practice. And the physician that I worked under, he used to get a lot of free trials from pharmaceutical companies. And, you know, the pharmaceutical companies say, hey,
DEI in Medical Education and Healthcare Disparities
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give these to your patients. Let me know how they work. Well, he was selected with who they gave them to. He would give them to people who had chronic diseases. However, their insurance wouldn't cover all of their medications.
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So if you have three things, but your insurance only covers two, well, he'll fill in that one thing with something from his, you know, his stash of, uh, and you know what I'm saying? And it's just one of those ways to be able to see to it that your patient gets complete care. Right. And it's, I think the best way to put it, yo, just meet your patient where they are.
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Exactly, 100%. And this is exactly why we have to continue to hone in on thinking about the full spectrum of like, how are we creating an environment in medicine that is inclusive of everybody? And unfortunately, that's not, that has been, we've been on a trend where that's been happening, but now recently, there are some people who are just like, actually, no, we don't think that that's necessary. DI,
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diversity equity inclusion, which is a governing body in a lot of universities, medical schools. It's under attack right now, and I don't know if you're aware.
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I'm actually not because I was, you know, once again, shameless plug to AMIC. I was talking to like a whole bunch of people, all kinds of individuals that were kind of like, you know, hard pressed on seeing a little bit more representation in their in their classes, in their institutions. And, you know, they kind of like broke it down and said, like, this is like an essential pipeline to making sure that like medicine is more representative. You know, exactly. So under attack is fake crazy.
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It's crazy and it really is happening. What's wild is that we heard about it from the grapevine a little bit last year when a, unfortunately, I hate to say this man's name because he represents my current medical school. He was a former dean at Penn, Dr. Stanley Goldfarb. Yep, I'm going to name drop you because you, my friend, well, not my friend, my nothing, you, you've been
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you've been wanting to no end and he needs to understand that what he's doing is harmful. So, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's talk about Dr. Goldfarb. Yo, yo, put the dunce cap on him, Isabela. Put me on, please. Please. Let's talk about Dr. Goldfarb, right? He used to work at Penn and he thought, he thought he had friends at Penn where he could create
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a initiative called Do No Harm, and I'm going to read exactly what they say on highereddive.com. You're spilling all the tea right now. So Do No Harm is an organization which seeks to roll back DEI initiatives in medical education. So basically, he created this whole movement
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and then try to bring it to basically to the political space and pass a bill on it.
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Which like I feel like, yeah, they heard it a little bit last year. People had their comments, but nothing really moved. And like there was not really a lot of traction. And now this year recently, like a month ago, he actually brought it. He brought it to the attention of somebody in. I believe he's a I believe he's either the governor or the mayor of North Carolina. And he signed. He like he basically kind of helped to structure the bill. He got other people on board who were, you know, feeling the bill that he was talking about.
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And so now it is something that's like- He's getting some traction. Yes, yes, yes. And so it's sad because it's like, there's so many people who are black, brown, like indigenous in medicine who wouldn't be here if it wasn't for DEI. And I just, it really- So put me on, what is the bill saying? What's within the bill?
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So this bill introduced by Congressman Greg Murphy, who's also a physician. Let's keep that in mind. It is called the Educate Act. And in direct quotes, this is from his website. The Educate Act compels medical schools and accrediting agencies to uphold colorblind admissions, processes and prohibits the coercion of students who hold certain political opinions. Diversity strengthens medicine, but not if it's achieved through exclusionary practices.
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Medicine is about serving others and doing the best job possible in every circumstance we cannot afford to sacrifice the excellence and quality of medical education at the hands of prejudice and divisive ideology.
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Oh, okay. I get it. I get it. He's, he's legitimately, he's directly attacking DI. Oh, it's directs. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was going to be like a little backhand, something a little like he snuck it in there or whatever. This is like a primary, like he's upfront honest. Yeah. Let's get it up out of here. Yep. Yeah. That's no good. And so, um, can I read for a second? Can I read? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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It's tough to me, right? Because I think that, you know, DEI, affirmative action, all of these things, they are necessary due to the ugly history that this country has. I'm gonna just, you know, one little example as to the ramifications of various little
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Practices and bills just like this is what I'll say When it comes to something like generational wealth right in I want to say post World War two in America Everyone that served in the military was guaranteed a house. Yeah
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There was a population that was given houses and the population that wasn't. I ain't going, you know, get too crazy. But essentially, it goes like this. The population that was given houses in the 1940s got to pay off those houses and they get to begin accumulating money. The family begins to accumulate money. You no longer have to pay, quote unquote, for your living situation, right? Maybe it's property taxes, maybe some utilities, but the mortgage, the large chunk of cash is going into your savings now.
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But to accumulate some money, invest it, whatever the case may be, you get to put your kids through college for free. I mean, not for free. They get to graduate college with no loans. And then it happens to your kids' kids and your kids' kids' kids. And it becomes a snowball effect where, because you did this one little thing way back when, this guy got a house and this guy did it. Person A got one and person B did it, for whatever reason. And four generations later, that'll be like now, we see the trickle down where,
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We have the comfort ability to be able to afford any resource that we need to study for the MCAT, to pass step one, to pass step two. Some people may be in a financial straight and say, I would love to get UWorld, but it's just not in the budget. It's not. And they'll try to make do with whatever resources they have. They'll try to do X, Y, Z. And it's the kind of thing where
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They'll try to say, oh, slavery was this long ago, segregation was this long ago, you guys are equal now, let's get over it. Yeah, no, because what it really is akin to is we're running a race and you got a head start and now that you're 200 meters ahead of me in a 400 meter race, you're saying,
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Well, you know, you're not being held back anymore so we can all run at the same speed. Yeah, you know, it doesn't really work like that. It doesn't work like that because of that snowball effect. You know what I'm saying? And.
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It was a whole lot of cute wording in that bill. It's a whole lot of cute. It's cute. It really is. It's cute. They tried. They tried. Yeah. But ultimately we see, we smell past the BS. I'm sorry. Exactly. Ultimately we smell past the BS. I couldn't have said it better myself. I'm hoping this gets struck down. Are they trying to bring it to like Congress?
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That's what it sounds like. There is multiple co-sponsors. I see at least, if I had to ballpark it, it looks like about 40 to 50 names on this bill who have co-signed it. And of course, Dr. Stanley, yep, his name is right, full and center there. And he even has his own quote too, but I don't need to mention it because I already told you about him, right? Facts, facts, exactly. We know what side of history he lies on. Yeah, we know what his timing is. And it's crazy to me because like,
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This will directly impact diversity in medicine. No. And like ultimately a diverse provider population is positive for patient outcomes. A hundred percent.
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You know what I'm saying? We have proof. We have numbers. We have the numbers. Black women are three times more likely to die on a birthing table when a physician doesn't look like them. Their pain is taken less seriously than someone of another race. The statistics go on and on, man. And it's one of those things where it's just like,
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We've made so much progress. Stop trying to turn us back. Stop trying to rewind us to some very ugly days in this country. You know what I'm saying? At all. At all. Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. It's ridiculous. No, honestly. Can we switch gears for a little bit? Get into something a little bit more. Not that. What's it called? Have you been tapped into this rap beef?
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So I have been tapped into this rap beef. I have. But before we talk about the rap beef, though, I have one more. I have one more point I have to make. OK, OK. Go ahead. Go ahead. You know, why diversity in medicine is important. And it ties into famous YouTuber Jessica Petway, who was misdiagnosed. OK. Put me on. Yes, yes. She. Nah, Isabella, you are doing your big one this episode.
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I have to, I have to, we have to talk about. I see, I see how you stringing these things together. Yeah. You see the flow. Okay. Thank you. Just as we were talking about it, I was like, wait, Jessica Petway is, this is an example of why we need to continue to have black providers who are advocating for patients because her story shows us exactly the ramifications of when you don't, when you do not prioritize and deem
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and kind of see as valid black women's concerns, their pain, their fears. And when you just don't see- When you don't take them seriously. Yes, exactly, exactly. So that happened to Jessica Petway.
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She is pretty known. Like I said, she's an influencer, mostly known for her beauty videos on YouTube. Unfortunately, she was, I believe, around 36 when she was, not when she was misdiagnosed with fibroids, but this is when she passed away. So she actually passed away. And she passed away from stage three cervical cancer at the age of 36. Oh my gosh. Even though
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about maybe like two or three years prior, she had been misdiagnosed with fibroids. So basically, she came in talking about having pelvic pain and, you know, just like, you know, some concerning symptoms that really a woman would only kind of complain about. And they did their ransom tests and they said, oh, it looks like you have fibroids or whatever. And they kind of just like dismissed it. You know, fibroids is a very common benign
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diagnosis in black women, it affects a lot of black women. And a lot of the time, people, they even sometimes advise black women, hey, like it's just fibroids, it's not cancerous, so you can live with it. It's like painful or it's uncomfortable, but it's fine if you have them, like it's not gonna do anything to you. And they say that all the time, right? So they see her with this
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oblongated abdomen and they just, and they perform a pelvic exam or maybe they even did a pelvic ultrasound and they say, oh, you have fibroids. And, but then she's still having kind of like, you know, some symptoms that are concerning. And so she comes back and now they're like, oh, actually, no, you have cervical cancer and it's stage three. So like. And, and so, and so if, if she would have been diagnosed properly when she originally went, there was more opportunity for intervention.
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Yes, yes, there's more opportunity on something good because cervical cancer is, it is actually curable when you find it on time because a lot of cervical cancer actually originates from HPV, the virus. So a lot of times when you do a pap smear and it's an abnormal pap smear and they can, if there's any signs or they feel like, hey, this could be cervical cancer, they can actually go and do a coposcopy or sorry, they can actually go and do
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It's a procedure where basically you kind of shave off the part of the cervix that has the abnormal cells. And a lot of times, like say if it's stage one, maybe even stage two, there's a good chance, I believe, of survival. But it's stage three at this point. So at that point, it's probably already, it's probably already invaded the basement membrane. It's probably already like on its way to, it has a rich metastasis, but it's already gone past the original point of origin. So it's broken through that.
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that layer that is like dividing your healthy cells and the abnormal cells. And so at that point, it's easier for metastasis to occur, which means that the cells would spread to other parts of the organs. That's not where it originally came from. So she died. She died at 36 with two daughters and a husband. So it's like, where do we go from here? Like, where do we go from here?
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Oh my gosh. Yeah. I think that kind of just drives the point home, really. Like why DI is important, why it's important to try to be a servant of your patients and not try to one
Medical Research and Public Health Concerns
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up them. Oh, I know what's best. I'm the doctor, things of that nature. I find all too often, like black women's cries of pain are undercut are, for lack of a better term, not taken seriously. You know what I'm saying?
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Um, I think it's, it's a little, it's a little disheartening at this point, you know? Um, and it kind of just makes me like, you know, I don't want to say weary of the field, but it makes me want better for the field, you know? Yeah. And it's one of those kinds of things where it's like, you know, I look to like the SNMA to be the change that we look to see in the field. You know what I'm saying? That's such an important point. Yeah, man. Yeah, man.
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In a similar type of story, there have been some kind of invasive, I guess it's like a strain of bacteria I heard about. And essentially it was a couple of scientists, they discovered that there is one bacteria that has caused about 50% of colon cancers. Right. Yeah. And it's a little
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It's odd for me to say, but essentially it's a bacteria that is keeping the patient from receiving the benefits of chemotherapy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. In an article, the American Medical Association actually put out that
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They published this in the journal Nature and they said that this new type of bacteria was present in 50% of colon cancers and most were aggressive cases. NBC News covered this story and they said that the bacteria found is the same bacteria that causes dental plaque. It's only found in the mouth and it's uncommon to be a, it's common to cause disease but it's uncommon to be located in the colon.
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Wow, this is crazy because there's been so many colon cancer cases that have been happening in young people, like 30s, 40s. And you're wondering like, hey, where's this coming from? Well, this makes sense if it's a new strain of bacteria that no one ever thought could actually translocate to the colon. So yeah, this is concerning. So it makes, it raises the question then like, what are we supposed to do? Like,
00:30:58
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Is this bacteria coming from what we're eating? Is it coming from the environment? It's coming from dental plaque. I mean, dental plaque forms from your diet, right? So what's going on? I can't even establish the connection between the two. I guess more so what I could say is this highlights the need for consistent and persistent research. You know what I'm saying? I have a couple of friends who always find it difficult to
00:31:27
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commit to research or say, eh, like, you know, like my specialty is not really like too competitive. I don't think I need research, whatever the case may be. But you know, it's just one of those kinds of things where like you kind of just want to advance something forward. And like a case like this where like just off the top of the head, you can't really like see the connection. And you know, it's one of those things where like when you try to just like discern something like this, it's like, oh, well, maybe the first five, 10, 15, 20 papers won't crack anything groundbreaking. But like,
00:31:58
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an analysis, a meta-analysis of those papers as well. You know what I'm saying? Like trends that can be found from the aggregate data, from the aggregate collection of all of those, and we can be able to draw a conclusion that way. 100%. Stuff like that is scary, man. It's scary. Cancer is scary, yo. Yep.
00:32:16
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It's very scary. And a lot of people don't take it seriously, you know, I had a loved one, very close loved one who passed from cancer. So of course, it hits me a little bit differently. But yeah, people really have to understand like, these are the things that are plaguing our society. And it seems to it seems to actually be happening
00:32:40
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in younger populations and people that we never thought, oh, I'm hearing a cancer diagnosis from. So maybe we should actively do more about just like being more aware and doing more interventions to help prevent it. So of course colon cancer
00:32:55
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the colon is our gut and that's like how we process food. That's how we, you know, that's where we fuel ourselves and that's kind of the order responsible for that. And so we need to really be talking about our gut health. Like what in the world are we eating, for real? Because... No, I think America is trying to kill us with this food.
00:33:12
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Yeah. And it's one of those things where like, like, you know, it's kind of like a niche term, colloquial term, right? At the time, at the, at this point, like, Oh yeah, like monitor your gut health, monitor your gut health. It's like, no, like, you know, like I'm not saying go and get a colonoscopy or anything, but
00:33:28
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It's one of those things like- But you should. You should if you're 40 and up. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm talking to the 20s and 30s on the line. Okay, okay. That should be the young ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's more so along the lines of like, you know, you have your checkup and you have like your list of things that like have accumulated over a year that you want to talk to your doctor about. Like maybe consider like, you know, throw your gut health on the list. Maybe like, you know, you pay attention to it.
00:33:53
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you decide to opt for the probiotic yogurt as a snack or whatever the case may be. Just trying to enhance your outcomes, your situation, just be in a better healthy state with regards to everything that we're doing.
00:34:09
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No, 100%. We definitely have to advocate for ourselves when it comes to just our gut health and making sure to talk to our provider. If something feels off, if you feel bloated, if you feel like you're sluggish all the time, like mention it to your PCP, let it be known. And I think that that's very important. The thing about cancer that just makes it kind of
00:34:29
Speaker
Scary is that you never know what's gonna happen is the person gonna make it out on the other side alive Yeah, okay. Are they going to pass are they gonna play? Yeah, be left with very How long are we gonna have to deal with it? Are there metastasis? Yeah, how is chemo gonna affect them exactly and Even when it comes to just like people like you and me were nervous I can only imagine if it's say somebody who's a like a
00:34:53
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Figure that is well known across the world when they get that kind of news like how how are respecting them to react I wonder how what their thoughts are and recently Kate Middleton was you know, unfortunately diagnosed with cancer and oh my gosh there yeah, and there was a lot of
00:35:11
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little banter and Twitter jokes flying around when people were not seeing her and saying, what happened to Kate? They felt like they were putting some person that looks like Kate out in the media and using her as Kate's doppelganger so that way the paparazzi could take pictures and say, oh, yeah, Kate's in the book.
00:35:32
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But people keep... They really tried it with that one. They really ran with that one. They tried it. And I was just like, listen, y'all don't know what people are going through. Like, you need to relax. Like, calm down. So when they were doing all that Kate jokes, I said, all right, let me just like, I didn't participate in it. Of course, I saw some of the jokes. OK, like people were making it, trying to make some banter. But unfortunately, now when she saw that, well, people aren't going to let me rest unless I tell you about my whereabouts, she then had to make a public statement.
00:36:01
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And she said that she had gone in for abdominal surgery, I believe a few months ago. At the time, they told her that it wasn't cancerous. And then after they did the surgical biopsy and they took some, you know, sample that, whatever tissue they got from her surgery, they didn't find out that there was cancer present.
00:36:20
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And so she's going through chemotherapy right now and she's going through the next steps and just trying to, I guess, figure out how to survive with this diagnosis and what I'm guessing, like, what are the next steps for her and her family. Unfortunately,
00:36:36
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She had to make this public statement alone. I did not see William by her side. I don't know why. I don't know why. I think that a statement that sensitive, you should have your partner by you, but she said it all alone in that video. But, you know, my heart goes out to Kate. Unclear what the origin of her cancer is. She said that she got the abdominal surgery and that's where they found the cancer. I don't know if that's where it started or did it start somewhere else then, you know, and travel.
00:37:02
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Yeah. I don't know. What are your thoughts? The public is exhausting. Being a celebrity is exhausting. I have never wanted less to be a celebrity at all. Here we are in the podcasting business. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm just hoping that this one could, uh, I just want to be a celebrity to, to medical professionals. Yeah. I hope they have a little bit more sense than the general public because you know, like this is one of those things where like,
Sports Safety and Rap Industry Dynamics
00:37:30
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They give people no grace. They don't give people the freedom to experience life and bring things forward at their own time. Imagine dealing with something as
00:37:42
Speaker
stressful as a cancer diagnosis and then still feeling accountable to the public to share your medical situation with them because they're coming up with all this nonsense. Your name's making it to the headlines while you're trying to stay low key. My heart goes out to her for that one. I hope that she takes some time, she takes her space, she has her peace and she's able to
00:38:07
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deal with this at her own pace because her own pace everybody needs space to heal everybody needs their own way to be able to uh i'll say
00:38:20
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You know, even mentally just handle the diagnosis, like things of that nature. You know what I'm saying? Uh, yeah, it's kinda, it's kinda just like scary to me. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of scary, uh, there was a situation a while back where a bunch of people in the, uh, NFL have actually been seeing like CTEs, concussions and all kinds of different types of head trauma. And so essentially, you know, it's one of those things where like, like.
00:38:50
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The NFL is usually on the wrong side of like rules and stuff like that. They're always like trying to go for profit, whatever the case may be. Yeah. They finally did a positive with this one. They're eliminating something called the the hip drop tackle. And essentially all that that is is, you know, like the point of the game is like, oh, somebody has the ball, get them down. Right. And what you'll do in the hip drop tackle is you'll throw both of your arms around the other guy's hips and try to bring him to the ground as you're trying to bring him to the ground, though.
00:39:19
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you have no ability to control your head's impact. And so it's not the guy that's being tackled, it's the guy doing the tackling, you know what I'm saying? And so in the interest of player safety and trying to prevent the most catastrophic of head injuries, the NFL actually came out and they said, yo, this season where it's banned, it's outlawed, it's against the rules, and you will actually catch penalties for this one. I think that's fine.
00:39:48
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I'm the wrong person to be talking to about the NFL because if it left up to me, I would have abolished that NFL a long time ago and the sport of NFL and the American, the American sport of football. I'm sorry. Listen, I'm that mom where my kids will not go anywhere near a football as long as I'm alive. Because once you have seen the ramifications of football on individuals
00:40:08
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health over time, especially their brain, which controls everything. You will stay far away from that sport. I don't care if the NFL cancels me. Okay. Or they black. I don't care. They should have been bought a long time ago. I have a question. I have a question. I have a question. Um, flag football.
00:40:26
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If it is not that form of tackling in which your head is hitting the ground repetitively, then that is fine with me. It's the head trauma that you have. It is the head trauma. It is the head trauma. And they tried to cover it up. If we talk about all the NFL stars who have committed suicide or died because of CTE and no one actually saying, oh, that's what happened, they make up some
00:40:48
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lie as how the person died, but this person was in their 40s. They were in their 30s. Why are they dead? There's so much hidden stories in people who have participated in NFL and either their health just went to hell or they are no longer present.
00:41:10
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Yeah, I don't like that. I do not. I don't say I don't like the NFL. I do not like the sport of football. So that's I do not care about the NFL. And so so I will agree with you on that point for there is no amount of entertainment. There's no amount of profit that is worth people putting their bodies on the line and irreversible and potentially like, you know, significantly life altering way. Right. Yes. If there is a major sport, they need to be.
00:41:38
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parameters put in place and safety measures taken with regards to like the rules, with regards to how it's played, with regards to the equipment they have, that makes sure that people's quality of lives are maintained while people are being entertained. So I will agree with you there. I'll agree with you there. Exactly. So yeah, we need the thing is like when it comes to entertainment, we need to have
00:41:59
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boundaries as to how far are we willing to go. The entertainment world right now, they're in shambles, okay? Especially, especially the rap slash hip-hop industry right now is crying out for dear, dear health. Whoo, crying out for dear health right now. Yeah, they, they, they, uh, I'm not gonna lie, I'm loving it. I can't, I can't lie. I can't lie. Help. It's entertaining, isn't it? The only person crying out for help is J. Cole.
00:42:27
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No. Okay. Listen, Cole, Cole is.
00:42:32
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He, you see what he is, he's a prophet. He's a prophet. You see, he saw it coming. He saw how messy he is. Let's catch up some of our listeners who may be studying for step one and they have not been attacked. And they haven't, they're not up to speed. They're not up to speed. Yeah, that's true. It's hard for me to believe for you to not be up to speed because like, come on, these are the artists we listen to, but Jared's right. Let me take my time. I'm studying for step. What you mean?
00:42:58
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What you mean? Ain't no nothing. Okay, so let me take my time. So basically, Kendrick being the instigator that he is, dropped a bomb in... What's the name of that song he made with Future and Metro? It was a song with Future and Metro booming. Yes. The name's not coming to me right now, but made a song with them. In that line, he referenced First Person Shooter, which is the song that Drake and J. Cole did together, collabed on together.
00:43:28
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And he basically said, you know, J. Cole has made this reference. It was, oh, we're the big three, me, Drake, K dot, right? Kendrick. Kendrick said, what was the big three? It's only big me. The song is called like that. The song is called like that. It's called like that. OK, he said that it ain't no big three. Does it exist? OK, so and then, you know, I believe I'm mad at him.
00:43:53
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Okay, so here's the thing, right? I think that Kendrick- Hold on, what happened next? Let me continue. Let me continue. Yeah, let me continue. Yeah. So, um, he then drops this bomb and then J. Cole responds with seven minute drill.
00:44:09
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And, you know, the Internet is in disarray. But people were talking. Yeah, people were talking. Oh, this is this is the rap beef has begun. It was some bars in there that the Titans is moving, the heavyweights is going, is going out with each other. These are not just like, oh, our little like small, small set rap. These are the conchos, right? These are the rappers that have had 10 plus years in the game.
00:44:32
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Okay, so we know we're gonna get some fire music, so J. Cole tells it that about two years later, or sorry, I said two years, two days later, J. Cole's like, wait, actually, no, Kendrick, like, I'm your friend. I don't care to...
00:44:48
Speaker
create this song that is attacking you. And I apologize, and he apologized for it. And then the whole internet is like, oh my gosh, Cole, you took an L. You like, what? This is a rap. The most anti-rap beef thing I've ever seen. Yes. He did it at Dreamville Fest. He was on stage in front of like, you know, the whole concert, the end of the festival, right? A whole bunch of people in front of him. And he's like, yeah, if you love Kendrick, raise your head. I love him too. Blah, blah, blah.
00:45:13
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And it's just like, yo, great energy, bro. Great energy. We didn't need that right now. We did. He's taken seven minute drill down. He's taken off streaming service. He already took it off. But you know what? Y'all, we got to let up on my boy. Let's let up on Cole a little bit. We'll get to him. We'll get to Cole. We'll get to him. So then.
00:45:29
Speaker
Drake said, oh, hold up. Wait a minute. Y'all thought I was finished. OK. And then he dropped. He dropped. No, he didn't drop. He leaked. His people leaked. I don't know who leaked it because they were talking about AI. Is it Drake? I said, maybe those kinds of shots are not AI. That's that's Drake right there. And they leaked a comeback response. And this man, no, he went after everybody. He didn't he didn't just stop by Kendrick. He went after Rick Ross. He went after people. People start with him, though.
00:45:58
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Oh, of course, of course, people will start. Of course, people were starting with the address. What I meant is that he addressed and he addressed them all on that track. Any naysayer, he addressed it one by one. Rick Ross, A$AP Metro. He says, keep on playing your drums. Don't worry about me. Future. Okay. Future. Now of the weekend, like he did not.
00:46:19
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He didn't let up on nobody. Oh, he came for the industry, basically. Exactly. Then he said, no, Cole is to my brother, but I don't agree with that nonsense he did. So Cole, you stay over there like he said that. No, it was crazy. It was crazy. So now that we know that the full oh, sorry. And then the thing that just happened recently was that I don't think this has happened in rap history. Uh huh. Same day that Drake drops his response, Rick Ross drops a counter response to Drake.
00:46:51
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It was like two or three hours later he just I'm like wait what did you even finish this is the song you was already in the studio You know Rick Ross property crazy, he got the studio down the hall from the bathroom In the shower like a word, okay
00:47:24
Speaker
No, no, no. Oh my gosh. Isabella, I think this represents a very, very positive time for the rap community. It is. Because you know why? This beef is very nonviolent. It is. It is. This beef guy. No gangsters. Nothing. Ain't nobody getting shot over this beef. We hurting feelings and that's it. No, that's it. We hurting feelings and that's it. I love it. I love it. This is fire. Because you know what?
00:47:38
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Okay, I got some but
00:47:50
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For a long time, people were saying that Whit Moo was running a rap game. They was like, yo, the guys is quiet. The guys not doing nothing. The Shorties is the ones beefing. The Shorties is the ones with the number one tracks. Yo.
00:48:01
Speaker
This is, this is very positive leading into the summer. I need this to lead to like some fire summer tracks, some, you remember, you remember how back to back was running. I need somebody to drop something that's going to spin all summer. The whole thing entire block. I'm here for him. He bowed out. I respect it. He's like, that's not my body and it's okay. It's okay.
00:48:25
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Yeah, seven minute joules. He's killing me. No, it was good. It was great. As a as a coal as a coal fan. I just need you to know, I have absolutely been getting like murdered in the chat. The chat has been for rying me was the KDA fans. The KDA fans is like Kendrick would never
00:48:45
Speaker
tell them to mind their business. Because listen, I'm Team Dreamville from the beginning. I'm not going to lie, for this one, the fans got to bow out,
Entertainment Industry Exposés and Legal Issues
00:48:53
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the guy bowed out too. We can't argue. It's like, you got it. That's all you got. That's the thing. It's okay. Cole, he remembered who he was. He said, this isn't me. And he bowed out. And that's it. We're going to... It's okay. Would I have done it? No. But that's his... He's a grown man. He had to do what he felt comfortable doing.
00:49:09
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I think people were in his ear. I think they were in his ear and be like, yo, Kendrick says, like, you got it. You got to say something. I feel like they were like, don't go out sad. And he then stepped out of his element that he typically resides in because he didn't want to go out sad. But in the end, it didn't sit well with him and he had to bow out. It's OK. Cool. Like we move forward. We move on. And that's just what it is. So, yeah. I'm jacking it. I'm jacking it. And entertainment industry is really wacky, though. It's really wacky. It's doing a lot.
00:49:34
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No Diddy, we gotta move on to this other thing that I seen on HBO. Yeah, yeah. What's it called? You seen the quiet on set? The four episode genre? I did. Isabella. Isabella. The Nickelodeon kid in me was weeping.
00:49:49
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Yeah, it's horrible. The Nickelodeon kid in me wanted to cry. I ain't going, you know, just disclose everything that's in it. Yeah, I could go watch it if y'all want to or whatever. Right. But more so like like on a very like brief overview type of it kind of just outlines like the way that child actors within the Nickelodeon like universe were kind of, you know, experiencing sexual abuse. There was a little bit of grooming. There was a little bit of
00:50:19
Speaker
favoritism to certain kids in terms as opposed to others. And it's one of those things where it's like racism. Let's not forget racism too. Yeah. Flat out racism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's one of those things where it's like, yo, these are kids going to work. You know what I'm saying? Like let's, let's call a spade a spade. This is a kid doing a job.
00:50:41
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and kind of putting on for their family from a very young age, in other case maybe. It's real cool. You get to be on TV. You get to be an actor. It's a fun job. I'm sure at some point all of us were like, oh, I think I could do that. I think I would like to do that for a little bit. But yo, seeing the stuff that went on behind the set and all that kind of stuff, it's really one of those things where it's just like,
00:51:03
Speaker
There is a toxic aura around Hollywood. There's a toxic aura around entertainment where like people in a position of power always seem to try to abuse it. Right. And like we kind of need more just regular upstanding people that will call them out and say, Hey, yo, you can't do that. That's weird. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? 100%. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. What'd you think about it?
00:51:31
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When I watched this documentary, the first thing that came to my mind was like, this is just so dark. Like how is there so much darkness and something that was supposed to be for children? And I just couldn't wrap my head around that. And I think one particular, so Dan Schneider, he can
00:51:51
Speaker
He can go all the way, like he can get out, like throw him out. Everything you did, we don't acknowledge it because clearly just only cared about money and power. You didn't care about the kids. It's very other. You didn't care about the kids because people you the people you staff, people you employed. These are people who belong under the jail and they were walking amongst the words out of my mouth. Oh, this.
00:52:15
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And I just want to highlight one particular story, Drake Bell's story, because that one hit me the most, because it's like... I love Drake and Josh. Yes, I was a huge Drake, like me, my brothers, even my mom, like we were huge Drake and Josh friends, we grew up with that show. And just to hear that somebody was kicking, laughing, creating memories, who was at the same time getting abused by an employee of
00:52:44
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Nickelodeon, particularly Dan Schneider said, who even worked on all that and played some kind of pickle boy character, some nonsense character. Like, it's just like how and then so but the biggest thing that blew me was that
00:52:59
Speaker
What actually happened when it came to receiving justice, when Drake actually brought this to the forefront, told his mom, they called the cops, they made this, this was a court case. And then it's like, he still didn't really get justice. This man got 16 months in prison. The amount of Hollywood actors and actors who actually defended this man wrote letters for this man and kept quiet. Showed up for him in court.
00:53:20
Speaker
Like what? And this we're talking about a 14, 15 year old boy. And you guys are defending this grown man who because he did something nice for you, you can't see the error in what he did. Like this, this to me is punishable. Listen, I don't believe that I don't even believe in the death penalty. But to me, if we had the death penalty, this is one of the things I would say is eligible for that, because this man literally took away this boy's. He took away this boy's innocence. His child violated him. Like I don't know how the law works, like in particular, but like.
00:53:49
Speaker
To me, this seems like one of those things where like it needed to see a sentence for an instance by instance basis, you know? Yeah. Not because there was one victim. There's one there's one punishment and that's right. Instance because Drake described. Mind you, he didn't even describe it. He just told this. All this man said was think about the worst thing a person can do to essay you. I'm not going to use the word on this platform. Think about the worst thing a person can do to essay you. That's what he did to me.
00:54:18
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Mm hmm. You can't even comprehend what that is. And he said it was consistent. It was repeated and it didn't stop until years later when Drake was like getting a girlfriend and like trying to be normal, trying to be normal and like, you know, moving on or whatever the case may be. And this got. Yeah. Yeah. All I'll say is, yeah, that toxic aura, that the energy, it needs to be
00:54:46
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It needs to be, I'll say, brought to light. In light of this story as well, I would like to shine a brief light on Jerry Trainer. Jerry Trainer was around for a lot of the nonsense that was happening in the later years from Jake and Josh on. And he sought to try to help create a safer space.
00:55:06
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until he would show up to the shows on his days off to make sure that no funny business was happening. Jerry Flay. Jerry Traner, these are your flowers. These are your kudos. Good job. We need more people like that industry. We need to give him his flowers for that. I had no clue. Thank you for pointing that out because that's- Yeah, yeah. It's one of those little-
00:55:24
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Yeah, at least somebody, maybe he didn't know exactly what he could have done to make a huge impact, but he tried, you know, he tried and helped out how he could. And I think that's beautiful. So, you know, we have to give his class. But yeah, overall, quiet on set. Thank you. Thank you to the people who thought of the vision to make this documentary. Thank you to those who reached out to the parties that they reached out to. Thank you to those who convinced those victims to come forward and say, like, thank you, because it's like the only way you can stop
00:55:50
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things from happening is by shedding light on it. And this was one of those things. These are possibilities. Yeah. These things happen as close to home as you think in well lit places. You know what I'm saying? Like, and it's really everybody's job to do their due diligence and ensure that like, especially, especially for a spot that it's a bunch of kids, a bunch of kids that we're creating.
00:56:16
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a safe environment, yo. Once again, entertainment, yo. Entertainment, but at what cost? You know what I'm saying? At what cost? Yeah, there's no price worth paying for simply being entertained. Right. Exactly. The same way that thousands of years ago, gladiators
00:56:32
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had to get outlawed the same way that the NFL needs these, uh, these, these, uh, these rules and bylaws to be changed to, to help make the players safer. And the same thing, like, like, you know, like, I don't know if it would be something like maybe the screenwriters guild or the actors guild or whatever the case may be, but yeah, they need like, you know, an independent body. That's like making sure that there are like safe spaces, places to report these things and just ensuring that like, yeah, that's just that regulation. Imagine if they had done that with Diddy.
00:57:03
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Imagine Did he now he's not a he's not a he's not a governing body or anything but he's an individual that has done a lot of nonsense Clearly for years and there was nobody regulating him, right? No, didn't know Did he? We've been talking about this better for months and it's just like I hate talking about yeah because it's like so Hmm
00:57:30
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Everything. So everything surrounding so long. Yeah, it's everything surrounding as things as things unravel. It just becomes an uglier and uglier and uglier story. You know, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, we have to highlight like going to go in his crib or something like that. And like, yeah, like did the dash. Yeah. Yeah. They went into this. They raided his home.
00:57:52
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And unfortunately, it's come to the point that his kids are getting involved because both his sons, Chris and Justin, were handcuffed on the premises and detained. Yeah.
00:58:05
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I don't know, I don't know his, the way he fathers, but if you care about your kids, man, you got to do something because, yeah, you can't, you can't get your kids wrapped up in your mess, man. You know, you want to play in some way, your kids and handcuffs. I feel like that that's bad parenting. Yeah, that is bad parenting. That man was walking for something you did. Exactly. He was pacing the floor, placing the ground somewhere. I believe in Florida or was it Puerto Rico? I don't know some tropical place. And while his kids was out here getting like, that's nasty work. I'm sorry. And so even, um,
00:58:34
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need something over entertainment. Like this trend is OD. It's getting OD. It's really getting OD. So yeah, I think that when it comes to Diddy, we just got to realize that I'm not expecting any good news to come out with him thus far in the near future.
Baltimore Bridge Collapse: Response and Recovery
00:58:53
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Yeah, I'm just not expecting it. So yeah, we know he has a lot of things that he needs to work on and fix.
00:59:00
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to get back to a state of grace, because right now he's far from it. You think it's fixable? I don't think it's fixable. I don't think it's fixable. I think the only thing that's fixable right now is the Baltimore Bridge. Oh my gosh, Isabella. That's the only thing I think that's fixable at this point. I don't think we can fix Diddy, because the Baltimore Bridge, listen, that situation, let's talk about that.
00:59:26
Speaker
Let's talk about that. Put me up. I like the way you do things today. This is real. This is top tier party for real. Because you know I had to come with my A game. It's Sunday. I washed my face. I got my silk press yesterday. Listen, I'm feeling my smell a little bit. I feel like your skin is glowing without Aldwin here. Oh, what? OK, let's not. So I'm not going to let Aldwin take the fall. Aldwin, it's not about you. Don't worry. My skin's glowing because I changed up my skin regimen a little bit. But thank you.
00:59:54
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Okay. Okay. Got you. Got you. Got you. Yeah. What's up with the bridge? I remember that. So I actually saw the footage of the bridge. I saw it like minutes after it happened, basically. There was a, I don't know if it was a cruise ship or a freight line or whatever the kind of, whatever it was, but there was a ship that was leaving out of the port of Baltimore.
01:00:15
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And it was heading for like, like, the Middle East, actually. And essentially, it had a malfunction in their steering mechanism. And they weren't they weren't able to regain control of it. They were able to radio ahead and you know, tell like, you know, whatever powers that be like, hey, like, we're on a collision course with this pillar, we won't be able to
01:00:34
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We won't be able to stop traffic from going over the bridge. I think they were able to stop cars like a good ways before, so they were able to minimize casualties that way. But that boat collided with that bridge, or I'll say ship rather, because it was rather large. That ship collided with that pillar, and that bridge crumpled. It did. I don't know much about engineering.
01:00:55
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But apparently that's normal. There was a lot of fake engineers on Twitter. I'm not going to lie to you. A lot of people were saying, wait, does this make sense? What was the dynamic? Like it's a, like people was talking about dimensions. I said, y'all never went to school for even art. What are we talking about? I remember that there's like iPhone games, right? That where you could like play like little engineering tasks and I'm awful at them. Everything that you think would work. Like I thought I knew physics.
01:01:23
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I'm studying for the MCAT. I do physics on a regular. I thought I was real good at it. And that like, oh yeah, I know how a bridge works. Nope. No idea. No idea. If I see some engineering videos on my newsfeed and they come through, the things that they show me are like revenues, like mind blown.
01:01:40
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Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And it's one of those things where like, you got to kind of like, let an expert be an expert. You know what I'm saying? Let them do their job. Like the bridge, the philosopher, people started having thing pieces. I'm like, wait, hold on. No, it's on Facebook. They were saying that, uh,
01:01:58
Speaker
The college is a scam crowd is on here arguing with engineers about bridges. You know, let's just put some things in perspective about the bridge. So one, how much did this bridge cost to make? It cost 60.3 million dollars to build, according to MDTA. And since its collapse, President Joe Biden has said he's committed to help rebuild the bridge as soon as possible. So this is a major bridge. It connects, you know, Baltimore to so many parts of, you know, the different states of America and
01:02:27
Speaker
The fact that it collapsed is just it's heartbreaking one because of
01:02:33
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how detrimental could have been if say happened a little bit earlier in the day. Thank God it happened at like 3, 4 a.m. when there wasn't that many people cross that bridge. Not rush hour or anything like that. You know, like imagine, so it's like, this is just such a... I was scared because like my best friend lives in Baltimore. So I had to go tell someone, I was like, girl, like, are you good? Like, I heard about this bridge. I said, yeah, no, we're fine. But she saw it collapse from her window. Like she saw the bridge. Oh, that's crazy. From her window.
01:03:00
Speaker
So I'm just like, what is going on? So it was a very scary thing to hear about and to the point that like, listen, when they brought out the mayor of Baltimore, this man didn't even put on, people would say, oh, you know, the racist conservatives on Twitter, they wanted to say, oh, this is your mayor because he just had on a varsity jacket to give a statement. I'm like,
01:03:19
Speaker
Man, it's 4am. People lost lives. You think this man cares about wearing a suit? Let's talk about what's at stake here. He came out in his varsity jacket, just had to give condolences to the people who may have lost their lives, the people who were harmed. They were doing active rescue. The actual victims, there was eight people on the bridge when it fell, according to the officials. At least two people were rescued. One was taken to the hospital and one was later discharged.
01:03:44
Speaker
These guys were like the crew that were working on the bridge, right? Oh, you mean the ones who actually fell? Yeah, I believe it was the crew that was working on the bridge. Yes, correct. Not civilians kind of thing. No, I think it was the crew that was working on the bridge, yeah. Okay, understood. So, but then it does seem like, I don't know, it's unclear what happened to the
01:04:04
Speaker
other people who felt because they have the two that's accounted for that I don't know what happened to the other six but oh I heard that heard that the bodies weren't were able to recover hmm can you imagine like just like knowing your loved ones gone and you don't even you can't even track there like this is just such a sad situation um so the people who actually died
01:04:22
Speaker
49-year-old Miguel Luna from El Salvador, a husband and father of three who lived in Maryland for over 19 years, and 38-year-old Maynard Yasser, Suazo Sandoval, originally from Azcupola in Honduras, a married father of two who had lived in the US for 18 years and launched his own maintenance business. So these are people who were fathers, who were husbands.
01:04:41
Speaker
It's just, it's, it's such a situation. I think this qualifies as a tragedy. Yeah, it's a tragedy. You know, like it's, it's not like, you know, nine 11 scale, but like tragedy nonetheless. You know what I'm saying? Like a freak accident that results in lies being taken like out of everybody's control. Yeah, man. Um, and kudos to Joe Biden for acknowledging it, trying to pledge some support. Yeah. Um, you know, and our hearts go out to those families.
01:05:05
Speaker
our hearts go out to the victims, we're praying for you guys. And yeah, hopefully, we hope that this will be a learning, I don't want to say learning experience as if like, oh, people had to die to learn for it, but I hope that this will be something that we can take forward as an experience that we can maybe do better in terms of like, how do we account for the how the bridge will be rebuilt?
Conclusion and Listener Appreciation
01:05:25
Speaker
How we account for what kind of ships are actually moving across the sea? If a ship is a certain height, it should not even be moving across the sea if there's a chance that
01:05:34
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it could collide with another structure. So maybe accounting for that as well. So, you know- Yeah, like emergency measures that can be put into place to like- Exactly. They did a good job of being able to make sure that cars weren't there, but like, you know, also trying to make sure that like, you know, the guys working on it could have a way out as well, you know? Exactly, 100%. So, but yeah, rest in peace to those who lost their lives and we're praying for those who even made it out, but who may even be suffering from the trauma and the ramifications of that experience.
01:06:01
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Um, but it's, it's unfortunate. We have to end our show on a kind of sad note, but Hey, April, yeah, April was a crazy, crazy month, but, um, I think we tried our best to cover everything. What do you think? So it's been a lot happened. I feel like this is like a March, April, like, you know, like.
01:06:19
Speaker
segue just because these things have been happening since AMEC, you know what I'm saying? It's just a lot of things that we had to catch up on or whatever they mean. Exactly. AMEC to Guatemala. You know what they say, April showers bring May flowers. Brighter days are ahead. I definitely did notice that people are happier since the sun is out. The weather is nicer. True. Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. We love that. We love the change. And I cannot wait for summer. Yes, me too. I'm looking forward to summer, more sunny skies.
01:06:48
Speaker
happiness, day parties. I'm here for it. I'm here for it, but yes. Oh, you're outside. Come on. Isn't that a question? Just like all these outside on a Tuesday night, I'm outside almost all the summertime. Okay. Well, anyway, thank you so much to our listeners once again for taking your time to listen to another episode of
01:07:13
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