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Unscripted: The Spookiness Continues
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The spookiness continues on this next episode of Unscripted! Sit back and relax as our 3 hosts further delve into the prior RTL conversations surrounding the Atlanta “veneer specialist,” sperm donors + birth control, baby mama culture, and recent mishaps in medical boards score reporting. Try your best not to interrupt while our hosts discuss their sides on some very trending topics!
To share your thoughts on our discussions or if you have any questions to ask our hosts, email podcast@snma.org for a chance to be featured on the show!
Disclaimer: The opinions and views expressed on our podcast do not reflect the official stance of the Student National Medical Association.
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Introduction to Unscripted Series
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The views expressed on this podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association. Welcome to Unscripted, a series where we take our most high yield, run the list conversations a step further. Our goal for each episode is to uncover our personal takes on our previously discussed topics while highlighting diverse viewpoints that may be representative of our listeners. So sit back, relax, and get your tea ready as we, your hosts, take you through our thoughts on some very trending topics.
Meet the Hosts
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I'll start off first. My name's Samiza Palmer. umm I'm a fourth year at Drexel. Hi, everybody. It's Dr. Akocha. Dr. Dumabie here. I'm a first year resident at the University of Cincinnati in obstetrics and gynecology. Hi, everyone. My name is Chinasa Anakaru, and I'm a third year at University of Houston.
00:01:07
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Well, today, guys, um I know that there is a big topic on all of our minds, but we're not going to get into that. We'll save that for a run the list. We'll save our emotions, our tears, our feelings, yeah and hopefully not our joys um ah for another day. But what I did want to get into was some of the stuff we were talking about on our run the list. So maybe you were on that um episode.
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um
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I was a listener on the episode. You were a listener.
Brandon Dillard's Dentistry Scandal
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But you know the first topic that I want to bring up is that, do y'all remember the Atlanta man that got arrested for posing as a veneer specialist? What exactly is a veneer specialist?
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So basically this man named Brandon Dillard, he was one of like the best veneer techs or something in Atlanta. He owned this office called A-list Smiles Atlanta.
00:02:12
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And basically a lot of people were going to him. He only charged like 5,500 for veneers, just like super cheap for a full, yeah, for a full like workup. Cause usually it's about like 10,000 plus for a full set of veneers. But basically he's been caught. This, this is a society basically threw him in jail. Now he has eight felony charges against him because of it. been So my question to you guys here is,
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What do you think about this? Do you think we lost like a potential great dental surgeon? you know There are a lot of mixed feelings on the run the list.
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I had to look into the training. I was like, wait a minute, because you have all these terms around, right? I'm here in veneer tech, veneer technician. I'm thinking, what in the world does this actually mean? Is there sort of a degree for it? Is there a doctoral program that I can enroll for? Because look, if you're making 5,500 um out of this this sounds like good business you know so i looked into it i was thinking do you have a vd you know what kind of a doctor degree do you have for this vd is crazy man beauty d no he basically had i think a certificate from some random man that gave him the certificate and then he was also charging six thousand dollars
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to like per person to teach them how to do veneers. So then he was making other veneer texts. You know what? Can I just say something about that? I'm not sure what's going on in the aspetition community, but you know, I have um this lady that does like waxes back where I am in Philly and she holds classes for that. And I'm like, don't you have to go to beauty school and be like, like what are you saying? You can't just,
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pass that on by osmosis. Maybe you pass some tests, but you don't have the tests and the facilities for that. So I don't understand what that's about, but training
Qualifications and Ethics in Cosmetic Procedures
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is training. And as, let me see what his name was again, Fulton County deputy district attorney, Will Wooten said, and I quote, Brandon Dillard is not a dentist. He's never been a dentist. And as much as he may want to play one on Instagram, he is not one. Okay.
00:04:46
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Let me tell you something. That man, i know his his closing I know his closing arguments go crazy. That was a bar. That was a read. I think people think like dentistry is just playing in somebody's mouth. You know what I mean? Like people think it's just click, click, click. Okay. Can you guys feel that? But dental pain is probably the worst type of evil you can wish on somebody. Like wisdom teeth. No, dental abscesses, wisdom teeth.
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that's the worst thing you can wish on somebody so if you're playing in somebody's mouth like that and there's all these nerves and there's the pulp and there's the this and there's the fat how do you understand dentistry in my med school they blocked out the mouth when we were learning I didn't learn about teeth in med school I'm gonna be honest I didn't learn about it so the fact onco baby come
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that needs to learn it. So I was like, why? I refer out as a provider does. I have to do what I
Risks of Unqualified Dental Work
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have to do. And so I don't play about the mouth. If I see an abscess, I consult on my face straight up. And I see, I'm like, look, I'm like, oh, yeah, you got a little on my face for that. So the fact that people just get a little certificate for six weeks and you're playing in someone's mouth with nerves and bone and jaw and the risk of infection. You didn't even know this person passed medical history.
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They're bold. They're better than me. as well Yeah, the scary part as well is also the lifeline, right? Like if we think of the knee replacement that you'd have, you have it just for 10 years and for veneers, some of things. it's given It's saying that the average life of it is 10 years or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So imagine at 20, you went and you did your veneer, whatever you had to do, and they already shaved down your teeth, right, to hook up whatever you're hooking up.
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And then once you've done 30, you don't even have, you can't even chew at that point. you can You can get basic nutrition. That's a while. Your veneer tech is now in jail. No dentist is going to touch your mouth.
00:06:55
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you know you biting down on you videos So who's going to do it in the next 10 years? the guy You went, to you went to Brandon Dillard, VD as my girl. And now, now you messed up for life. And the thing is your smile is so important. Like your smile is you, you know what I'm saying? right yeah There's a reason that people get braces and Invisalign and every other type of, you know, dental tray that you could do. They can alter people's confidence, their health, your employability. Like we know this.
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And if you think they're so square and they reflect back, who's going to hire you? You have to be self-employed, you know? Yeah. And speaking speaking of smiles, like, you know, that they can really impact, you know, your perception of somebody's trustworthiness. And I think that it's so funny.
00:07:46
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I think it's so funny that we're talking about how our outward mask sort of makes and breaks who we are. But there's now shows that sort of take that away. And speaking of shows that take that away, I want to talk about Love is Blind DC.
Love is Blind: DC Edition
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We're living in a different America. DC is the craziest. It's not even the state. All the things going on in DC right now.
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but in the way and as love as wise I'm about to move my stuff. where where i think i' already said We're not dealing with that. We're going to act like it didn't happen. You know, it just happened.
00:08:24
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ah But yes, in the city of chaos or the district of chaos, should I say. um There was a recent season of Love is Blind. I had stopped watching that show, but I came back because Maryland is where I went to high school. So I felt like I had to support the home team. But this season was absolutely bonkers. And I don't know. Do you guys know like anything about the season?
00:08:59
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Yes, I've just finished watching the reunion. I know that it's very hard on these streets in DC. I know that there is talk about things like sperm donors and birth control and men not being able to commit as per usual. But the two more important topics were about the sperm donation and the birth control.
Reality TV and Relationship Dynamics
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So I thought that would be also a really good thing to talk about here.
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Yeah, so because I was super into this, let me just give like a quick little synopsis. So in terms of the sperm donor, um there was a couple, the guy's name is Tyler and the girl's name is Ashley. Tyler and Ashley were sort of like a picturesque couple starting from the pods, amazing communication, lovely, great, all the things. And then, you know, once they get back home that she finds out that this man has multiple children and she's like, how did this come about basically? Cause you never told me you had kids. And my yeah technically they're my kids, but technically like I was a sperm donor, right? And we'll get a little bit more into that, but basically he was a sperm donor for a friend. And then we then found out on the reunion said friend's partner left her. So then he sort of became the dad that stepped up.
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So that's the one story. Then the birth control story is about Marissa and Ramesses and basically they were having a ah discussion about birth control options. And she was just like, she didn't necessarily want to be on hormonal contraception. And he was like, I don't want to use um barrier contraception. Let's just use that term and said he didn't want to use condoms. And it became this debate. And I think that those were two really interesting jump off points. um So now I've explained a little bit, what do you guys think about the two different storylines?
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Okay, let's first talk about the sperm donor first. When I watched that scene, it seemed a little manufactured, and so when they brought it up on the reunion that she already kind of knew about, I was like, yeah, it seemed like she knew. like It didn't seem as authentic. Me personally, I... Didn't have an issue with him being a sperm donor. I think he did it and for a noble reason. It wasn't like he has 100 kids like his father around the town. He did it for a same-sex couple that wanted children. And then when that partner left, he stepped up. um
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It is kind of tough because usually with sperm donation you kind of sign away your rights as the father and then you're not supposed to be involved in that child's life but he was involved. um But I personally don't see it as a problem personally. I think we need more blackmail sperm donors anyway. um Now would I date someone that was a sperm donor?
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I don't know I didn't have to love you first before you said that information because you told me that right off the bat and I didn't even like you I'd be like oh I'm not gonna deal with it but if you know if if I love the guy and then he ended up telling me maybe I would shed one tear but then I'd be like well you know It's biology at the end of the day. I don't know. I mean, we really do really have a connection with a zygote that you created, but you don't know. I mean, sperm donor is not a father of, you know, exactly. That's just my opinion. I don't know. I think that's biology but a bit of a tricky one because there are obviously a lot of couples out there who I need those sperm donors because they can't percreate on their own. So I think.
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I think there's a space for it. I think when it comes to this character, it was just a lack of communication that was yeah problematic for me. Definitely something that you need to communicate when you you guys are about to get married in this whole experience. Yeah, he should have said it a little earlier. But I mean, I'm just thinking as a man, how would I say it?
00:13:03
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I would have to make you love me first before I say it. And that may sound like deceiving, whatever, but you have to love someone to accept that type of thing in my opinion. Not the manipulation. Maybe it's manipulation. Maybe it's, I don't know. I don't care, quite frankly. Because it's just like, no one's going to send it off the bat. Like, hi, my name is Tyler and I'm a sperm donor. And she's going to be like, oh my God.
00:13:25
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Yeah, he's father all these children and I want to have children. but but So you can't say it right off the bat. And it seems like it was very noble ah for what he did. And like, though he should have said it earlier, I don't think it's a problem, especially at his age. It's not like he's 20 years old giving off his sperm. Like he was a grown man with no other prospects at the time yeah helping out a same sex couple. So yeah, i know i I don't agree. I definitely agree.
00:13:54
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Because we could have asked like, I feel like if you're going into a marriage with somebody, you should have those conversations. And you can ask right to see where you all you all are in terms of meeting your communication and trust. So you could have asked, what are your thoughts on sperm donation? And then you don't need to just jump into the topic that way and say, by the way, look, I have my DNA circling around the universe.
00:14:19
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But I think it's just a matter of ah approach, especially somebody that age, I think he can handle that conversation. um Yeah, he definitely should have said it earlier. Yeah, definitely should have said it. That's my question, to break up with him over it. So I think it's just not a reason to break up.
00:14:34
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Yeah, and i think it I think you guys both bring up interesting perspectives about like you know really what does it mean to be a parent? What does it mean to you know conceive with somebody? like how How do these relationships affect us? How do our past decisions affect our current relationships? right like When he did it, like he was doing it out of love for a friend. And we're commenting on a situation that we technically know nothing about, right? So I can understand why they can feel like a little like guarded about the situation. And I think it's just a really interesting topic. And I think you brought up the fact, I think it was do maybe that brought up that, you know, it's not like he had a bunch of
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kids around. And I don't know, it just made me think of like all the Netflix specials with the guy with that father like a thousand kids. And like, what's the line where it it crosses to be too much? Like, I think it really is going to be like relationship dependent. But I thought it was just a really interesting conversation that I don't think we've had in popular media a lot. And especially with two people that are of color, specifically black and like mixed with black.
00:15:48
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Um, and then when we talk about the birth control situation, I thought that was even more important and because no, despite him trying to like defend himself at the reunion, I think Ramesses did not handle that conversation well. And I think as a woman, especially in the times that we are in now, like contraception choices are so, so, so important. I mean, do maybe I know you can speak to this as somebody that's practicing OB-GYN in this era. um But I mean, I think it's just so, he was just so callous in his like approach. Yeah.
00:16:28
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It's just ridiculous, honestly. like I'll be um in clinic or on like wards or whatever asking about you know what do you want for birth control because it's important to either like space out your pregnancies. I always say if you're not preventing pregnancy, you're but trying for pregnancy, whether you mentally want to or not. um and I think both parties should do what they need to do to prevent themselves from getting someone pregnant or getting pregnant.
00:16:51
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So for a woman, what does that mean? For a man, what does that mean? I see all the time where women are not good candidates for like tubal ligation. It's like they're obese or they have like a heart condition or they have OSA or something like that. But I'm just like, the man can get a vasectomy. But for some reason,
00:17:07
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you know, they don't want to get a vasectomy for someone, but they rather have their partner go undergo um laparoscopic surgery. So it's just all very interesting. Even on the words I've seen where men don't want their wives to tie their tubes, even though she does not want to have children. and And that's what kind of annoys me. I think everyone deserves autonomy. I don't think a man should have to get a vasectomy. I don't think a woman has to get her too tied or be on birth control. But I think as a partner, it's important to consider your other partner's feelings and concerns and him saying that you know intercourse doesn't feel good with a condom. you just sound Is that what you said? I just think that's ridiculous. She doesn't want to go on birth control because it can make you depressed. It can have some side effects. And if you don't want to be on a hormonal contraception, that's your choice. But I feel like a condom is the bare minimum.
00:17:57
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I think everyone should be using one, even if you're on birth control. Yeah. And I can, I mean, I love the word that if you're not actively preventing pregnancy, you're just basically... You're trying for pain in pregnancy. Oh yeah. That was definitely a win right there. It's the truth though. Like you'd be like, Oh, I don't want to be on birth control. I was like, okay, then what are you doing to prevent pregnancy? They're like, um,
00:18:24
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Nothing really, I'm like, then you, then you're waiting for you, get to be pregnant essentially, as long as you're ovulating, you're going to get pregnant one way or another, you know, roll the dice if you want, but it's going to happen. So. Yeah. So in that regard.
00:18:39
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You know, that's what happens. Babies come out of these situations. And I think, you know, no other celebrity baby has surprised us but not really surprised us more than Halle Bailey's kid with DDG.
Halle Bailey's Modern Family
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Halo. He's a cute baby. He's so adorable. So adorable. This girl really tried to really act like we couldn't see, but it doesn't matter because we love him. We love that baby.
00:19:14
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I think the saddest part is that, okay, like there was this whole like, is she or isn't she? And then, you know, she finally, you know, showed the baby off and we're loving the little family with her and DDG and Halo.
00:19:28
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love the acronym Listen. Yeah. so I'm sad about that little family breaking up, but how do y'all feel about it? I think it's just way too many families breaking up and Um, it's sort of, it's sort of worrisome as well in terms of people that are not getting into families or just letting not marriage. you um Unions. Unions, I like that word. Unions, yeah. Partnership, um, ah marriage period.
00:20:05
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virus bear I was looking at this statistic thing and it was saying that people in about like 30% of people in your 40s have never been married before. yeah why That's and crazy. And let me tell you something, it's looking dark. It's looking very grim, but I think we have to rise above. Okay. So when I was hearing the run the list, I wanted to jump in and join the conversation because there are a lot of things that I agreed with and a lot of things I was like, what the heck are you talking about? Like if know I'm just being honest, one with the whole
00:20:42
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Hallie now being a single mother because her and DDG broke up. DDG was always jealous of that woman. When it came out with a little mermaid, it's the truth. When it came out with a little mermaid, he was saying things on Twitter. He made her up, saw how he was sad. He's always been jealous of that woman. So it's not the fact that she is a baby mama.
00:21:01
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She's a single mother by choice, honestly, because that man was bringing her down. So it's best now that the baby's one and the cognitive is not yet there, that they can separate peacefully and co-parent separately. Two, it's a classic saga to break up at the child's almost first year of life.
00:21:17
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You see it all the time. Once it's child child is one, the parents aren't together anymore. Another thing that I think, I don't know who said on the list, talking about how our generation doesn't desire marriage anymore. I think that's so far from the truth in my opinion. I think people want to play in your face and then when they find someone they don't want to play with anymore, then they settle down and get married. But I think I just really believe that black women deserve marriage. I think um the black family unit would be a lot stronger if marriage was at the forefront of a lot of relationships and not always like jumping to like owning homes and having a baby and sharing income before having marriage. That's something I'm pretty
00:22:02
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like strong and believing in, if I'm being honest, because I just see how like the black family unit kind of crumbles. And I feel like if there's a more solid foundation on the institution of marriage, then the black family unit, I think it would be a lot better. Yeah. And I think honestly, just to add this point, like, yes, I think the family unit is super important, but I also think that and you don't want to be a single parent in your marriage. Right. And yeah.
00:22:31
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I think being from an immigrant family, I didn't necessarily see it in my house, but I saw it a lot as a kid, where you'd have the mom taking care of the house, taking care of the kids, and her husband is there, and he's not doing anything. He's so useless. He don't know what's going on. It's crazy. And sometimes I'd even see the worst part was when she would be the breadwinner.
00:23:00
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And she's still has't been and more on her bi and he's still doing nothing. thing That's, imp I refuse it. got I'm sorry. i reject honestly this new wave feminine Feminism. I think they just played in our faces because now you dont the house too strong have am what Susan B. Anthony was thinking, She wasn't calculating appropriately, if I'm being honest.
00:23:35
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went from the marriage show women pro yeah I don't see, I'm not seeing the light right now. and um but to see the light know like don't let know it's just har swinging Don't let the new administration hear you too loud talking about you don't want your rights. Don't give me what you
00:24:01
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but I just feel like, okay, one time I wanted to bring up is, so Hallie is a very successful person. She's a protege of Beyonce and she linked herself with DDG, who is also successful in his own right, but he's like internet successful, right? And he's also jealous of her, period. So what do you guys think about, I guess,
00:24:23
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high achieving women, you know whether it's in the singing space, the professional space, science, doctors, right?
High-Achieving Women in Relationships
00:24:30
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Dating men who are not always at their What are your thoughts on that? and Honestly, I feel like it's time for men to just do the work emotionally, whether that's financially, mentally, because at the end of the day, look what just happened.
00:24:51
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yeah when when it happened, right? Yesterday, yeah the world is the world is really a ah man's world, and the world is a white man's world. So i don't see I don't see what the obstacles are, right? I just hear, oh, well, you're this. Is she a doctor? Is she a blah, blah, blah? Well, what's holding you back?
00:25:10
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Well go ahead and do those things as well. But what about the women who are choosing these men? Because it's a choice. no She was not under duress when she chose DDG. So what about these high value women choosing men that are not at their level? Let me let me stop you right there. Choosing these men as well.
00:25:29
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right like you need somebody and you can fall in love with them I think the difference is when you're not really you're not really stepping up or if if your success is you're you're not sharing the light of your success but that's problematic I think I don't know that anybody is just going in your right mind like oh well you got on my level What about I, Terry Pitt here? You're the one for me. I don't know that really. That's the case. Maybe they really had a shared connection. They didn't have a connection. They didn't love each other and stuff like that. I kind of want to push back a little bit on that point, just because I think even in my own personal life, like I can say this, like, OK, we're here, right? We're all black women that are either
00:26:14
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like fully in the medical profession or like two steps away from it, right? And I think something that was really told to me when I was younger was like, oh, like, you know, don't worry about it. You'll find your Mr. Wright or your husband, like when you get to your pinnacle of success. And I'm here now and lonely at the top. Exactly. me Exactly. like that It's not, they're not here, they're not checking for us. And, you know, I think it's, I talk about this with my friends a lot, like not, that like not even joking. You see, I haven't laughed once, not once now. This is a very serious topic. oh No, but I think it's just so crazy that like, at this point in our lives, when we should be meeting people that are quote unquote equally yoked, we get here and they're like, nah, we want to, egg white don know you we want to be with the people that got time to take care of us. Like y'all are busy. We don't want to deal with like your stuff too. So I mean, to go back to the point of why are women choosing these men,
00:27:19
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I think sometimes it's it's a little bit more complicated than that, right? Like it's a little bit more complicated than, oh, she just decided to be with somebody who doesn't seem outside on paper to be on her level or have her same status. So I don't know. I think it's a really complicated situation in that regard.
00:27:38
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But in terms of DDG and Holly specifically, like, yeah, I feel like he didn't handle half of their interactions. Right. And I really wanted to root for them, especially after the baby was born. But I think he just took it a step too far, even with how he discussed their breakup. I'm just tired of hearing this whole, like, I want somebody need to take care of me and all that. I think it's just selfish. Who's going to take care of me? I want somebody to take care of me.
00:28:05
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But I think it just all goes down to emotional maturity. Both partners face your relationship thinking about the other. And I think that's the basic foundation of love. Not looking for somebody that you're going to turn into your a slave, your cook, your mother, just everything. That's crazy.
00:28:25
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All the time. Yeah, I definitely agree. and but i think god is well the package you on men oh my I think as you know, high achieving women in general, I mean, it is important that the partners that we choose are one able to handle our success, but that they also have something on their own that they're able to contribute to the fold. what's yeah And speaking of people that's trying to prey on people's downfall, let's talk about how to end the OMB.
DO Applicants' Exam Scores Leak
00:28:52
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decided that it was okay to accidentally send people's level one complex scores to residencies, even though it's supposed to be pass-fail. Like the scores, the numbers, like you told them how many questions I got right or wrong, but it's supposed to be a pass-fail and I know that. Meanwhile, they don't even know their own score. Is that not insane?
00:29:13
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Yeah, they sent it specifically to residency CAS, which is for OB-GYN applications. DOs already have it pretty hard in the OB-GYN space. lastly here I think 291 DO applicants match OB-GYN and there are 291 programs. So on average, one DO per program. And I can tell you in my program, like my year,
00:29:36
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There are no DOs in my class and then my whole um residency there are only two DOs and we have 28 people. um So it's really hard out here for DOs to match into OB-GYN. The thing about step one is we don't even know our our level one for the DO applicants. They don't even know their own score. They did not get it in the mail what they received.
00:29:57
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So the residency program knows their score before they even know their score. So my question is, when is the class action lawsuit coming out? Because I feel like this is going to impact um applicants because now you're able to see their raw score, which is not fair because MD applicants, that didn't happen to them. So I feel like they're being like, what's the word?
00:30:20
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discriminated against because with that score they're already discriminated against because they have a Dio and then now they're gonna be discriminated against against so like if they barely passed level one or if they really passed and you know what are your thoughts?
00:30:35
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Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, in terms of how people ah view people that have MDs versus DOs, it's gotten better slightly, but I think it is, it would be remiss of us to act like it there's still not a difference. I feel like, especially with the older generation, they see it as a lesser degree, which does not make any sense because literally that, what is it, OMM,
00:31:03
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yeah o t yeah Oh my god, like I like I am horrible at MSK. Like I just like I all power to people that have the DO degree and have to you know deal with all of the struggle that they go through in terms of trying to make it in these more competitive fields. board exams Exactly. So to just do another thing that makes it even more difficult to like sort of gain access to that space, like it's just incredibly ridiculous to me. and And I'm so thankful for somebody bringing this up because I would have never known about it, right? like It's not something that directly impacts me, but this is something that I don't think anybody should have to deal with in this already very stressful process.
00:31:48
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yeah Honestly, it i think it's also I think it also really reflects what's going on in our world that turns us into tech. I do you very much agree that this can really negatively impact DEOs because to some degree, you cannot unsee it. right um There has been communication that that the score should be treated just as the past and not the score. but How are you supposed to unsee that? If you see those numbers, and as you said, you already have such preexisting biases about... what a candidate has a D or is an MD brings them table. I think that definitely would negatively affect them this cycle. um But at the same time, I think we're living in a tech world. And I think these are now new problems that we have. So mean I think they should take the responsibility. But at this, but at the same time,
00:32:47
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We need tech warriors out here. We need tech communications because, listen, anybody could be a victim of a tech mishap. And I think that's exactly what just you know what happened. And it's just unfortunate again. It doesn't seem like it kind of seemed a bit laughable how it happened. But I also think it could have just been an honest tech mishap.
00:33:12
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Like it definitely was a mistake. I hope they wouldn't do that to their people. You know what I mean? But I'm just waiting for the lawsuit. I'm just like, why is no one talking? I feel like no one is talking about it. I saw like one tweet about it and that's how I knew about it. I'm waiting for the lawsuit because I think this is just unacceptable.
00:33:29
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Like it's always my step one score. I don't know what happened. All I know is I said P and I was it. So they release it and then ba it was barely P. It was lowercase P, not even capital. I'm going to be bad. and I'm going to tell you about that. Alpha less than 0.05.
00:33:50
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I don't know how I feel about the whole lawsuit. i saying But I definitely do agree that this is a great mistake for sure. Come on MDJD at law. You better bring it up. period bring Bring it out. Bring out the lawsuit.
00:34:11
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Yeah, but I mean, I think in general, like, it's just super important that, you know, no matter what stage we are at in our medical school journey or medicine journey, we all need to support each other and say when wrong is wrong. So, yes, if you're not necessarily a DO candidate that's applying in the residency cast this year, this does not directly impact you, but and Mistakes like this can happen with any sort of application. So we should not just let it go away, just because, I mean, let it happen just because it doesn't directly impact us. And that is how we all sort of lift ourselves up. We're supposed to be suing for everything because that could also get back to the entire matter. minor No, but as a most professional, that's the reason why.
00:35:04
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m bmo whatever they it Medical errors happen and they are the leading cause of death like in the United States.
Medical Errors and Accountability
00:35:12
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So this is not a medical error. This is criminals. These people are criminals. These people are going to take all our money and do all these things. These people are criminals. They're not doctors.
00:35:23
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yeah arab this is our idea I even sue them too. Oh, yeah. yeah but a class class action Supreme Court. Yeah. I would take my money. At least pay me back for this. See that. get behind honest Somebody gives you grace or to maybe in the future.
00:35:55
Speaker
No, um criminal monopoly and and jails they they should be sued big time a corporation that makes millions of year. Oh, yeah Give me the money. i least Give me back my exam fee small smart yeah I mean, yeah, usually like, okay, like with doctors and talking about malpractice suits, like that's all, I think a separate issue in this issue. Like they, this is almost like gross negligence. Again, I'm going to bring up the MDJD. This is giving gross negligence and they made a mistake and they need to be more forthright with it. So if
00:36:34
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that apology comes in the form of like a public apology or monetary apology, I would prefer the latter, personally. like They need to say something because this has something this is something that literally has disastrous financial consequences for people that are already in debt. so mean That's just how I feel about that one.
00:36:58
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I do agree. i think they should I think maybe there should be more, I personally feel like there should be more more investment in terms of making sure that this doesn't affect your outcome. I think that is, I guess, what I would prioritize more um than the mistake because I do understand the the consequences of it, but Helping, I guess helping these students, making sure they match, I think will be more important than just going towards like different lawsuits. And I'm just speaking more generally to a culture of just suing things, suing people, suing corporations, suing in America, which I feel like is an American thing. Pigment court.
00:37:38
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Take him to court. Well, that's what we're supposed to do. But yeah anyways, well, you know, it's it's been a lovely conversation, ladies. I mean, we went from veneers to court and back again.
00:37:55
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ah But um I want to thank you guys so much for having this conversation with me. And um I just want to say to everybody that's listening, thanks so much for tuning into Unscripted. And be sure to tune into our future conversations that we'll be having on SNMA Presents The Lounge. Bye, guys. Bye. Bye.