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RTL/Unscripted Special Edition Episode: Looking Back on 2024
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Welcome to SNMA Presents: The Lounge’s very first combined Run the List and Unscripted episode, featuring all 6 hosts! This special edition recording is meant to ring in the new year of 2025 with our top 5 high yield topics from the first half of season 5. Hear us recap the United Healthcare CEO shooting, Presidential Election Results, Diddy's imprisonment, the legendary rap beef of summer 2024, and the Florida-based surgeon organ removal mishap. We hope that this recap of 2024 will bring in 2025 in a smooth sailing, nostalgic fashion, as you all reminisce with The Lounge hosts on the controversial, yet informative events of the past 6 months.
SNMA Presents: The Lounge wishes our entire SNMA family a wonderful, prosperous New Year!
Be sure to continue to stay tuned for more of our upcoming programming being released here on The Lounge!
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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The views expressed on this podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association. Welcome to SNMA Presents the Lounge's first combined, run the list and unscripted episode featuring all 6 hosts. This special edition recording is meant to ring in the new year of 2025 with our top 5 high yield topics from the first half of season 5.
00:00:24
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We hope that this recap of 2024 will bring in 2025 in a smooth sailing, nostalgic fashion as our so listeners reminisce with us, your hosts on the controversial yet informative events of the past six months.
Reflecting on 2025 and Past Events
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So sit back, relax, and get your tea ready as we address events in medicine and beyond that affect our communities and the populations we serve.
Meet the Hosts
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y'all doing everybody If y'all don't know, I hope you do, but if you didn't, I'm your boy, Jared Jeffery, aspiring student doctor, and I have the pleasure of being joined by five of the hosts, but I'm gonna let them introduce themselves. Come on, guys. Hey, everybody. It's Dr. Dumavey. I'm a first-year resident at UC and OB-GYN, and I'm one of the new hosts of SNMA the Lounge.
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Hi, everybody. My name is student Dr. Simisa Palmer. I'm a fourth year at Drexel, and I'm another one of the new hosts of the lounge. Hey, y'all. Hi, good evening, everyone. My name is Chinasa Anakur, and I'm a third year student at the University of Houston, and I'm also a new host. Hey, guys, this is Isabella, or student Dr. Isabella. um I'm sure you hopefully remember this ah voice. I am one of the OG hosts of SMA Presents the Lounge.
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What's poppin' everybody? This is Dr. Aldrin in the building. Throwin' it back, the original crew. I'm happy to be here. Share this with new and the old generation. I'm currently a resident physician, living life. Y'all know how I do. I gotta put all my IG and all that handles for the new year. I'm changing my IG handle. I'ma leave it for the next episode. We gon' leave it at that.
Luigi Mangione's Case: Murder and Media Mayhem
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But speaking of introductions, I got to introduce you to something that's been rent-free in a lot of people's minds, Luigi Mangione. I found some interesting things about... Nah, I feel that, right? Yeah, I've been practicing. You did? Salve, to all my time. Shout out to all my time. Salve. I've been practicing blue lingo. But regardless, as everyone all know, Luigi Mangione, unfortunately, unfortunately, depending on how you feel,
00:02:52
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And this is a trigger warning to everybody listening, because we can go into a lot of issues of mental health, gun violence, and murder. But ah Luigi Mangione has been ah potentially convicted of murder of the CEO of UnitedHealthcare several weeks ago in broad day, 6.30 AM in the middle of New York City in midtown. And this has been something that has been interesting that we have seen all across the country, a variety of responses from the rich and poor alike. And we know what's interesting is that UnitedHealthcare has actually denied, has the most denial of any claims out of any insurance company at about 35%. So a lot of people, it's like really feeling what he's been doing, the movement. We got even jail inmates screaming his name while people are trying to interview. You know what I'm saying? At the jail, you know what I mean? So it's just interesting. Luigi is like turning into this phenomenon. You got shorties commenting like, yo, what's his DM? I'm trying to send him the commissary. I'm trying to visit him. What's P.O. Box? I'm telling you, I seen the comments on IG. He's looking crazy. But before we go and delve more into this, I'm going to let my other crewmates talk about this. What y'all feel about the Luigi phenomenon?
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I think it's so unfortunate that such a dashing young man, you know, could do such, you know, a terrible thing. You know what I mean? Whether it's Robin Hood or not or whatever, I think what truly shocked me is how good his eyebrows look and how his eyebrows could perform such dangerous work.
00:04:21
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i think I think that's the most unfortunate thing about it. But I also think how they were treating him leading up to the trial is kind of weird. like he had the whole s screen You guys saw that photo of the whole squad behind him. The mayor of the city was like behind him as well. like What is that all about? I just i mean, I'm not saying he doesn't deserve that. but like He killed one person. I'm not trying to minify that one person he killed, but it's just like he's not a serial killer. He killed just one. So um are they like trying to make an example out
Trial and Public Perception: The Role of Appearance
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of him? Are they trying to? I don't know what it is, but he also hits every angle really good, too. Like in the courtroom, he was just hitting his jaw this way and this way. He was also matching with his lawyer in the matching sweatshirts. like um This is all just really unfortunate from his sake. And even in L&D,
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they were talking about like how they don't think he's guilty because of how good he looks and that they'll probably use the plea bargain of or like use the defense of he's too pretty to go to jail in order to like help him get out of jail. ask crazy It's just all kind of crazy.
00:05:31
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Please, since when has prettiness been a criteria for going to jail or not? Who got out of jail? Like she's some people who did crazy stuff and they use that argument and all she had was probation. People use it. Jail's gonna run it up. They about to run it up in there. Is it pretty? That's it. Geez! Speaking of his whole fit, it was a couple hundred dollars, his whole fit too. That's what I'm saying.
00:05:57
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Like, they really planned that. And then the police officer next to him was going viral because he had the fresh J's on, too. Like, you know, New York City, we got to stunt. We got to go hard. Like, you know what I mean? They had to come in there, like, heavy. Like you said, like, make a whole statement.
00:06:12
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Everyone was there to show up for sure. You know, it looks like he's about to start a fashion movement. Like, you know how like, um, would I say, but what it was it called at that time? Like the jeans and whatever started in prison, something like that. I wonder like if he's also going to start a movement while he's in there since he's super popular on on online in general.
00:06:35
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despite the fact that he did commit some atrocious, atrocious. Yeah, it's unfortunate. Yeah. Yeah. I remember the model who left prison, Jeremy Meeks, that of face tats and everything that came out hes and all that stuff by the time
The 2024 Election: Kamala Harris vs. Trump
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he left. And I think this was going to happen for Luigi as well. You think he going to get out?
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That's the thing. like Are they going to make him do life or worse? They're trying to charge him first degree manslaughter, which in the state of New York is only in the case of people who are judges or first responders. It's very rare that someone gets first degree manslaughter in the state of New York. They're trying to go all the way hard on homeboy.
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and mean also nothing it's just His sister actually is a doctor. She's an MD, PhD. She's a resident at UT Southwestern. Sorry, sis. I didn't mean Dr. Mangione. She actually went to Vanderbilt down the block for me and and and in Nashville too. thing so So we know her coordinates and everything. My God.
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That's okay, though. I will say I do have night in health care. And so I just hope, you know, things change for the better, you know, you start covering my thyroid.
00:07:54
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Lacto maneuvering. If you guys could help a girl out, that would be great. So, you know. You know what's crazy? The day after the whole joint, they found them. United Healthcare care was in my hospital like so like sitting there in front of the the pharmacy. And I'm like, this is kind of awkward. Like, y'all out here and y'all know what happened. yeah And everybody was passing them by. Like, legit, nobody stopped to talk to them. Hey, man, do you want to? Nope. They ain't with it. They ain't you in the hood. We know what's up. We're not rocking with it. Not anymore. Sorry. so
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So, so what do you, what do you guys think? What's going to be like, do you think this is going to be a life altering, life changing event that we is going to be unforgettable? Or is it going to be something that as 2025 passes, we just going to forget and neglect? Passion Dash, keep moving. I fear we might forget it just because something else will happen. and forget it to which side I but. It's bad, yeah, but you know.
00:08:51
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2025 is brand new things. I don't know. so I mean, Gulf of America. I mean, sorry, y'all. But um yeah, I think we I do
Concerns Over Trump's Second Term
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very much agree. I think we're going to forget this.
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i feel I feel like every time he showed up. If he does get out, I think he will end up being some type of influencer and oh yeah like model who Calvin Klein and like those type of things. facts If he does get out, i write a book like he's going to do live. And I don't think that's fair personally, but i I'm no lawyer. I don't even know the law.
00:09:24
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so Bro, what do you mean he's not fair? He shot somebody in broad day. Yo, if he doesn't get like, anybody in New York City could pull up and shoot anybody. He got the silencer on some Grand Theft Auto, like over. And Sean just walked away like it was cool. And he rode a city bike in the middle of New York City, and then went to Central Park and disappeared. If he could do that, anybody feel like they could do that. It's over. It's going to be all this land. He got to go. He got to go.
00:09:54
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yeah But live? Can you just do like me 30 years and then you know? Why are you having me 30 years? Can you tell me what's your agenda? but sir What's your agenda? I just feel like in...
00:10:12
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A part of it feels like he's being misunderstood, you know what I mean? Like, like ah for instance, a lot of my L and&D patients, you know, like, yeah they're incarcerated, they killed their mother, they're trying to come and have a baby, you know, things like that. Like, you can't help but...
00:10:26
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feel bad because she's having a bit. It's almost like that. Like I feel bad because he's suffering from these chronic medical conditions. His mom was suffering from a chronic medical condition. However, you know, justice has to be curved and it is what it is. So please don't be a judge. It is what it is. I'm sorry, but I can't help it. You know,
00:10:54
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his mind wasn't right. and sonasa what was I was actually wondering about whether he had some sort of mental health problems going on. Because with his photos, he just has this look, right? It doesn't scream remorse at all. So I wonder if there's some sort of antisocial disorder going on there. But I'm no psychiatrist. So let me just stop right there.
00:11:17
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I mean, I think like certainly like we remember, you know, there's physical and there's physical pain connected to mental health and trauma, right? And we know that he recently had a ah condition with spondylolisthesis, which is a slippage of the disc in your vertebra, which ah required him to have back surgery. But I think at the time he had been aloof from his family for over a year. You know what I mean? Like his family didn't even know where he was at. So he was very frustrated that he couldn't afford this surgery. You know, his family got mad bread on restaurants in Baltimore.
00:11:46
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and all of that. i mean So it's interesting to see um how this plays out, honestly. I mean, he had his role. He played his role. I feel like no conspiracy theory, but really conspiracy theory. Somebody put that battery in his back to expose America, and he's going to be the scapegoat in the
Kendrick Lamar vs. Drake: Music Industry Drama
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pond. That's right.
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and like Yeah, and I feel like, you know, Manjioni had his 15 minutes of fame and something like the 2024 presidential election kind of like overshadowed him and kind of like, you know, really, really just like took him out of the limelight, you know what I'm saying? Especially considering the outcome of that ah that election. You know what I'm saying? oh yeah So, you know, let's just before we get into this election, let's just, you know, flashback four years.
00:12:33
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The lounge was getting started. We was a brand new pod still yeah January 6th, 2021. There was an egregious attempt made to undermine the United States Constitution greet by the say egregious, egregious, tore up, tore up the whole Capitol, making us look crazy. but It wasn't getting first world. It wasn't getting first world at all.
00:12:55
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by the same person we just elected back into office, you know what I'm saying? And so right I just think it's very interesting when you know fast forward four years later, fast forward one full election cycle later, I thought that the amount of coverage that the the events that transpired got was very minimal. I thought it was an extremely minimal amount of coverage for The nature of the the of what happened and for the. ah
00:13:28
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just for the fact of like all the pieces that fall into play, you know what I'm saying? The fact that now he is actually getting to see the way that you know no one else is trying to undermine the democracy and how the loser of the presidential election, quote unquote, loser Kamala Harris and sitting vice president, made sure to um either mention that she is here for a safe transition of power.
00:13:54
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Right. Safe and easy transition of power. So I'm going to get off my soapbox real quick. I'm going to see you see what you think about it. You know, honestly,
Diddy's Legal Troubles and Industry Impact
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I feel like the presidential election was just it was very interesting because I think that we we assumed like I think almost everybody assumed that we had Trump for X amount of years for four years. We saw how that played out. It happened during covid.
00:14:23
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everybody had their own thoughts about his presidential election. And almost kind of like what you were just alluding to, we have this capital storm storming and all of these things. And we see that, hey, we've seen how this guy operates as a president. We've seen the ramifications of his presidency. We see kind of what he's about. Here is the potential for a fresh start after what we've seen before. And Granted, Kamala was coming under the Biden umbrella. And I think that everybody had their own opinions about Biden as well. um His age was a topic, how mentally sound he was, was a topic. And I wonder sometimes how much did that affect people's perception of Kamala? And so honestly, in my opinion, I was optimistic, but I was not dumb. I said, it's going to take a lot for a Black woman to become president of this here United States and
00:15:16
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You know, the optimism in me wanted to say, Hey, you know, she got in, that she has it in the bag Trump. has shown who he is to the public, and and hopefully that would be enough information for people to vote accordingly. had all these people I saw all these people on the television saying, hey, yeah, I voted Trump last election, but this year I'm voting Kamala. They were all saying the same rendition. But then in the end, we saw what the results looked like. um My alma mater was turnt up. you know People was playing all the bops because Kamala had her, ah what's it called, her, I guess,
00:15:50
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ah like her platform. that Yeah, election night there. Yeah. So like it was like giving homecoming part two. I was, I was part of the TV, like say, Oh, maybe she has this. And then lo and behold, the numbers, they weren't matching what I thought they were going to be. My dancing kind of slowed down. i said It was just, it just got really crazy. And so I want to say, yeah, it was something that We could have maybe believed that this was possible because of what we assumed. But I think when you really think about what America is about, it's kind of like, well, what what have we done to really show that we're ready or anyone would be accepting of a black woman president? I just I don't see how we we're not even there yet. You know, that kind of thing. So that was kind of my thought process just about the entire results. But I don't know. What do you think, Samisa?
00:16:35
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Well, one, you know, jerry when you were just bringing up the January 6th, it made me remind me of this video where this guy was like, there's nothing in there. Like, they were really acting like it was a party. I don't know if y'all remember that. But anyways, aside from the craziness of just that whole presidency and the aftermath and the very not smooth transition to the change of power,
00:17:01
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Um, I think for me, and I think
Hip-Hop Industry Reckoning
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I said this on, um, on the running the list episode with this, I remember 2016. Um, I think that was maybe the first time that I voted. And I remember there was a very highly qualified candidate or a more qualified candidate and she lost and she was a white woman. And I think for me, I.
00:17:26
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wanted the best possible outcome, which to me could have been maybe not a president who's had multiple issues before. But I was very hesitant to sort of, I guess, buy into the dream. I mean, obviously I did my civic duty and voted the way I voted, but I had no real hope. And I think That's a really like sad position to have, especially when it's going to be something that's going to impact me. And probably, as I get into my real career, it's going to impact me even more. But yeah, it's just, I guess, the reality. And you know it's it's almost like I kind of forgot that this happened because the election happened. And then I think Luigi happened after.
00:18:16
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And I kind of took over the news cycle and then Christmas and, you know, a bunch of different things have happened since
Medical Error and the Necessity for Transparency
00:18:24
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then. But like, what is that? 12 days away. Yeah. Yeah. He's about to get serious. He gets sworn in on MLK day.
00:18:35
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That's nasty word. I think it's important for us to actually like talk about what is coming or what what do you guys think is going to come with this presidency? I mean, we heard about his policies regarding like Roe v. Wade and then Project 2025 and all these other things and just kind of like who's backing him and so what are you guys thinking is gonna really happen now that he's coming into his presidency again like what how how how different can things really get from what he did during his last term so i think last time the pandemic slowed him down a lot
00:19:20
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Remember that whole first hundred days he did like over a hundred executive orders, something crazy like that. Like he signed a whole bunch of executive orders as soon as he sat in the chair. Like he was like, yeah, Obama did this undo undoe undo undo undo. Like he was wild. And I foresee something a little similarly along those lines. And this time without the pandemic to like, you know,
00:19:46
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I'll say get in his way because the pandemic got in his way. I think it's going to be more robust energy. Outwards, you know, like the way that he's talking about the Panama Canal. I love that word. he's Talking about Canada as the 51st state. I'm like, yo, what are you yeah talking about? Canada is wow big like to make the whole of Canada one state like you're bugging like what what is really going on? The Gulf of America like he and the and the Prime Minister made it known They're never they're never gonna be a part of the United States of America. So that's a pipe dream. That's what Trudeau said you you film me he He wants everybody to like have to make whole new globes and stuff like that. He is trying to rewrite north america he said pan a whole glo oh but pania oh my god trying to come through leader with tariffs I just think you know, it's gonna be a lot of radical change like that's the thing with this guy
00:20:38
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people, and I feel like that's the overall reason he ends up getting elected. People are dissatisfied with the economy, how much they pay for groceries, all that kind of stuff. And he if he brings nothing else, he brings radical change, whether or not it's for the better or for the worse, we gonna see. But um yeah, that's that's that's what I see.
00:20:58
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the sidebar. Other countries are ramping up their militaries. They are pouring a lot more into defense spending in anticipation of attack from Trump. Oh, Lord. This is getting wild. Because of his hostile words. Yep. i feel I think we're going back back to the 1800s. Okay. That's what it's about to get. Yeah. I think he's going to This might be one of the most influential presidencies in a very long time. Like what has this happened? Someone, once you were president, you weren't president except that you come back. I like what kind of good, like what kind of time are we living in? I don't understand. Literally one other time. Literally one. It's like the eighth and 10th president. That's crazy. Same guy. See something like that. I forgot who it was when I memorized the presence when I was younger. I remember that.
00:21:53
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But either way, it doesn't matter. It's so not popular. It's so not a thing because it' it's not a thing who's in between. There's probably a reason why that happened. Right. For him, there's several reasons. um And I think, yeah, he's just influential, meaning that it is going to impact us for a very long time. I mean, just the Supreme Court alone. Yeah. Right. Just very.
00:22:21
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significant. um But yeah.
00:22:27
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The offense, Lord. Lord, ally, whoever you pray to, everybody. Right. So while the world is worried about what's going on with Trump and all that, I'm worried about let's play that real quick.
00:22:48
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you mr to Yeah. yes
00:22:56
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So with that being said, ah shout out to copyright, you know what But with that being said, one of the greatest gave the greatest, the the greatest spanking of all time in hip-hop history to what they call, what's his name? Um, Dume being Chinaso. Y'all know his name?
00:23:20
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who the one that got spanked or the one who did the spanking? Yeah, the one that got spanked. I don't know. Now we not even talk about him. You know what I mean? Shout out to K-DOT. K-DOT held it down. K-DOT is that one, is that God, you feel me?
00:23:34
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ah Kendrick Lamar versus Drake has historically taken over the airwaves since last summer, even before that. Because they were throwing shots after shots through different songs. And it's crazy. They even collabed 10 years ago. you would You would have thought they was besties. But the ah you know the music industry makes enemies. you know drake's make Drake make enemies. I ain't going to lie. He be moving crazy. And Kendrick had to show him the way. Because if you don't aim at me,
00:24:04
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You got to be ready for these atomic bombs. And that's what he did. He laid them atomic bombs on Drake. So with that being said, Drake been quiet the last couple of months, not saying nothing, trying to get lawsuits against yoin ready ah Kendrick and do all of these behind the scenes things like stop it. But my crew, what's that thing about what's been going on with this universal spanking that we've never seen before?
00:24:28
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I think Drake is a big baby, unfortunately. um i Okay, I guess my question is, do you think Drake actually started it though? Because when I looked at the timeline, it seems to me most recently that Kendrick started it.
00:24:46
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Because we remember when Drake was like, you know, the three top people in the rap game, whoever is Cole, Lamar and him. That's what he said. And then Kendrick Lamar then came out another song saying, no, it's just me. So isn't that starting it? Not that we're going to be from like 2013, but like the most recent one.
00:25:05
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I don't think Drake said it was top three. I don't think they said they, I don't believe Drake said that all of them was like at the top. Yeah. Yeah. Like i know all the men of top and the Lamar was like, no, it's just me. That's at the top. and like this I mean, I think, yeah, no, I think, I mean, I don't, I think Cole said that to me, but I may have missed that. another cool if he did Yeah, I think it was Cole that said that. But I don't recall Drake ever saying that like out of his words, because Drake is egotistical. And that's what happens when you've got that ego about you and you go after somebody that's he's way out of his way, mind his business, he's in Compton doing good things, providing for his community, not doing anything but supporting his family. And you come and throw these shots out. And Drake, of course, has a historic, where he has over 100
00:25:54
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you know, top 10 records, you know what I'm saying? And it's historic. I ain't gonna lie. But sometimes when you mess with the wrong person, you got to get, I ain't gonna put the violence, but you got to get in the mouth at the end of the day. And that's exactly what Kringic had to do is like, you can only test so many people at such a point, and they limit got to break down. And you see in GNX album, he talks about that extensively, you know what I mean? Like,
00:26:18
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So it's it's it has to be done. And now the bully got to get bullied, you know. yeah So that's what it is in the music industry. I think that's also beautiful to see that Kendrick has kind of emerged out of his shell because, you know, he's lately, you know, been doing his own thing, which I appreciate. But we've been waiting for that music. And now sometimes you've got to get you got to poke the bear for the bear to rise out of hibernation and eat, and then eat it up right now. You hear me?
00:26:44
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Janasa, you got anything to say about that? I feel like you with Drake's now. You part of the Drake house? I mean, I think I'm just enjoying the creativity that has come out of whatever they got going on, right? and I'm just the audience, and I'm enjoying this beautiful music they put out, whether they're settling derby for whatever. I'm listening to some mad hits. Right.
00:27:06
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and a goody yeah think was such great music and i don't want to pick sides here you know what i mean because i don't know who's gonna come after me afterwards but i was like wow maybe we need more beefs actually so that we can get good music on the receiving end selfishly selfishly. I do think artists now who are trying to emerge will start manufacturing beef just because of how much publicity this beef has gotten. They're gonna use it more as like a publicity stunt and tool. um yeah I also think that the loss with the losses specifically, I guess I'm a little confused. He's saying that Kendrick Lamar
00:27:44
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is inflate, like, or like, inflated, like, amount of views, numbers on Spotify. On Spotify. Correct. Yeah, that's, who does that? on And Spotify came out, stat! Mhm.
00:27:57
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Yeah, Spotify came out stacked. And it was like, nah, we not inflating nothing. We've been around for years. There is no incentive for them to inflate their numbers. You know what I'm saying? They just tell her how it is. And Spotify even helped Drake back in the day get his own records up and going. So it's pretty interesting to see that happen. But when you're down bad, you do anything and everything. There's been things to move back on top, for sure. And then suing the label that Kendrick's on, too. Yeah.
00:28:27
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But with that being said, you know, I think, um you know, like you mentioned, though, maybe the the fact that as people manufacturing beats, this is not something that's the first time there's there's oftentimes a lot of beats that come out of the music industry that that are manufactured. And you sometimes you got to like read between the lines, because especially like you said, like when we when when you down, bad, you're just trying to do whatever to get back in the limelight.
00:28:49
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When you make that hit record and you fall real hard um um struggle on that struggle bus, you got to do whatever is necessary to get back on top. You have to be curious to see if like an album Drake is about to release an album with this whole lawsuit.
00:29:06
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lis gonna really bro air It's too late. He should have been dropped the album. roll like He really dropped the bomb shot. I'm sorry, man. He came out with the song. like well like You know what I'm saying? He came out with the whole album. And he's doing a show in Toronto. He's doing two shows in Toronto this year. In the next two three months, he's going to be in Toronto. like you know Drake can't even step into Compton. It's on site. like It's different energies. I'm sorry, bro. like Like real talk. So it's like different levels to it. And Drake, I just stayed in the lane. You know, like sometimes you can't be part of a beef that you ain't prepared for. Dogs get trained, you know what I mean? And my man K-Dawg, he a dog that's trained for any type of war. K-Dawg. That's a fact. That's a Fendi. You know what I mean? But any, speaking of beef, like any beef, y'all really like interested to see like developed within the music industry that you think would be really dope. Hmm. That's a good question.
00:30:07
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By the way, we don't endorse any violence on this podcast. Just fun. I think Afrobeat beef would be cool. I mean, there's always the Afrobeat world, but I feel like Like not like I want women to argue and fight, but I feel like there needs to be something like Ira Star versus like Thames or something like that. I feel like that would be kind of like that. And I love Ira Star and I love Thames, but I would love for them to just be producing music like six minutes after the other one. Like just give us some bangers, you know, kind of like what?
00:30:40
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um dr I feel like some of that is already ah already trickling down, especially on social media. I think Aria Stahl posted this video of her doing the, whatever it's called, dance. And someone posted saying, oh yeah, she stole it from Thames and whatnot, but it's originally South African or natively South African.
00:31:00
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so i don't know i love our african singers and musicians i don't know how i feel about them going after each other i feel like there's already a lot of hate amongst women you know what i mean like i don't know if we we won that in 2025
00:31:15
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Maybe we could make it a little healthy. The versus battle, like they used to have. I think that was a dope concept and I'm shocked that they didn't continue that. Having this artist pit their best, your best song versus my best song, people tuned in. I was still tuning in. Davido versus, I don't know, whoever y'all want, any of the Afrobeats has. You know what I mean?
00:31:41
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and't know I mean, I'll still tune in for sure because they create music, good music out of whatever beef they got going on. So I think they do. I mean, yeah, I even know. Put me on. I didn't even know there's beef on that side. There's always beef on every continent. So that's just what it is. If you got beef, make turkey, then.
00:32:01
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oh
00:32:04
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But regardless, you know, um I think, you know, it's gonna be a great year. I'm already seeing other beefs manifest and and pull up and in different other industries too, podcasts and too and the like. But we'll see, you know, Drake, Drake been silent. Kada is coming with the world. He might come out with a second album, third album, fourth album. Let's just finish him. Any of y'all gonna hit up the concerts? Like I'm putting up.
00:32:33
Speaker
I guess no one's hitting up the y'all not hitting up the concerts. That's crazy. It was it was crickets. But I mean, it's really it's it's really funny to see um two big modules kind of go at it and literally. Define our summer 2024 through that beef, but unfortunately, not every module had a great summer Diddy being one module who pretty much had a he had a pretty terrible Terrible couple couple months if not the entire year when they found out only four he had a Jared I remember talking about this man for how many episodes like almost every episode We had a conversation on Diddy like to the point that we just said, you know, let's just skip it this that
00:33:19
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He might be our most high yield subject of 2024. Like he might. Oh, yes. The most subject matter all year coming from right down at the top of the year when Kat Williams said on a sharp interview. Oh, yeah. Pretty soon you're going to have to party with. He did it. And everybody thought he was cappping everybody thought he was joking.
00:33:39
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And then his oh it just came coming down straight down from the lawsuit that he settled in one day. Then you got the video coming out with Cassie. You got the, Oh yeah. Then the me too started. Oh yeah. Me too. Yeah. He drug me too. Oh, me too. me too Big arrests come through. He's hiding out in the islands. Did he had himself a year? ah Yeah. Horrible year. Yeah. That's an understatement.
00:34:03
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but Like I never thought I'd see and cat Williams. Let's not sleep on this man really did open up the portal of 2024 We closed it. It's not 2025. We whatever was the 2024, please stay in that portal We don't need it this year because it was just too crazy. I couldn't I couldn't keep watch. I think it's important to know Diddy had been running sexual crimes for years and he got away with it because he had people backing him and people who were not speaking out against him and now one person it took one person Cassie to start the basically the trend or and let me not say trend because it wasn't like this is like a trend but it was literally like kind of start to get to get the ball rolling
00:34:48
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yes exactly get the ball rolling on getting justice from what this man did to so many women throughout his entire career um we heard about the baby oils uh a thousand bottles of baby oils in his house as ah as well as narcotics we heard about him trying to give a 50 million dollar bond um to get out and they said no siree you're gonna stay right in that prison cell so whatever he did is not 50 million dollars is not going to get him out of there. We heard about his family um getting all their passports taken so that way they don't travel. We heard about this man potentially going to did he go to Miami or some he he tried to leave by plane to escape from being taken. Listen, this man has everything you could think of that happened to Diddy. It did happen. And so I do want to say, um what do you guys think is next for Mr. Combs where it stands right now?
00:35:42
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So you see how he was talking about like Luigi earlier and whether or not he was going to get life in jail. Yeah, this this one is guaranteed life. and the jail like Yeah, I guess now it's no if and what's about it. The cases are stacked. It doesn't matter how many resources you have, what kind of legal defense team, whatever the case may be. The best you could do, like the best I could see him hoping for is a plea bargain that doesn't wrap up his kids in it. You feel me?
00:36:10
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um because I'm like, like positive. This guy's done it. We're not seeing him anymore. I think they probably show like a random picture of him. Like they took a jail phone picture of him. And I did not know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? I didn't see that anymore. We're not hearing from him anymore. It's done. It's really like, unfortunately, well, let me not say unfortunately, but it's done.
00:36:37
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Not unfortunately on my end. Yeah, you deserved it. You should have gone to prison years ago. It's not. It's not. Yeah. You know? Yeah. um Yeah, like Jared was saying, under the jail. Like, throw away the key. Put it away. Put the locksmith away so he can create a key accidentally.
00:36:57
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um No, but like I mean, on some road, like, i again, we talked about this too. And it's just sort of like a reckoning in hip hop that we're going to continue to see. We saw a little bit more of that with Jay Z, although he's like, I didn't do it. Apparently he just filed a new motion to dismiss the lawsuit again. um But in terms of Diddy, like, um I just think it's It's just sort of the trend that we're going to keep seeing as a society, like as sort of just being more cognizant of the violence that women, especially women of color, especially with black women face at the hands of men that look like them.
00:37:42
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Right. And we're just seeing a reckoning of that. And that's what's sort of happening with Diddy. And I think for a long time, people were like, Oh, like, you know, if the victims don't look like the people on the milk cartons, it doesn't matter. But eventually, now we're coming to the to the space in time where it's like,
00:38:03
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your demons are catching up with you and the things that you kept hidden in the closet, like they're coming up. But strangely enough, I didn't know that this was happening, but apparently a documentary is coming out on Peacock in like a week about Diddy. So that should be interesting. Apparently- They've been trying to cook something up for a while. Yeah. Oh, wow. Mm-hmm. Apparently, Albie Shore is on it, and I don't know if you guys have more between them, but they share- Yeah.
00:38:31
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a baby's mom yes yes yes that's what she would wincy yeah quin yeah kim porter that passed away which you know again she could sort of passed away under interesting circumstances so it's all sort of wrapped up and i guess we'll see and see how it wraps up but overall i think the conclusion is going to be under the deal right i i can totally see that and i think I mean, so I'll be sure, man, God bless Diddy's soul because that man hates it. So I just wonder how crazy this documentary is going to be, because I'll be sure hates Diddy's guts. Literally, I don't know if y'all saw Quincy, like there was a post that I'll be sure made about Quincy say, Oh, you come home, son.
00:39:13
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Side pops your biological. He had to put the biological there. He said y'all forgot I'm this mans a real fuck Like does not listen to me whatsoever So I do want to say like what happened like what do y'all think happened that? Like so one we know that Cassie Gave her statement and all of that stuff but like all those forces that were protecting all those things that he had where where did they go because it's kind of just like he had like i'm sure people have said things before like i know there was this one um person named jina who went on tasha k's thing and was talking about similar abusive things that did he did but no one batted an eyelash when she spoke up and i'm not trying to say that cassie's statement wasn't powerful she didn't do her due diligence but like i'm like is it just that because she spoke up that's what caused him to get you know reprimanded for it or
00:40:06
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Is this man missing an Illuminati payment? Like, I just don't know what's going on. Like, I'm trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but so um I think it goes back to what Samiza said as far as every your your skeletons are going to come out the closet. Like, I feel like that's a big thing with um I'll say the 20s in general. Um.
00:40:32
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people, industries, they're getting exposed. They're not letting, you know, whatever traditional, Oh, well, cause it seems to me like what the narrative has been. Oh, did he had too much influence for us to go against him in the past. If you go against Diddy, you go away. You know, your career is done. Your, your, your family might be done. Whatever the case may be. Things are done.
00:40:54
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So as such, people don't want to go against it. You know, I feel like with the advent of social media, I feel like, you know, with the ability to, you know, widespread certain messages at the the rate of ease that we have, it's easy to sway public sentiment in one's direction. And because you can sway public sentiment in one's direction, you can take away the power of somebody that has all the money in the world. Right. Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense.
00:41:22
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Yeah, I mean, I think you also saw it with like, Bill Cosby too, right? That was America's dad for however long. But then they was like, he was drugging them ladies. And a bunch of the ladies said that he was drugging them. So how can you say that 57 people are lying and not just one, you sort of have that collective bargaining power and that's, you know,
00:41:44
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We learned about that in a history class and the power of that, but it it's sort of just ah like, I guess, a reimagining of that. And it's just, you know, it's a little, it' a it's it ah not tragic because I think those women and, you know, victims are getting their due, um the everything that's due to them.
00:42:07
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It's just, it's almost sad that it hasn't happened sooner and I don't, there is no real explanation for why the tipping scale is now. The only thing I could say is this time and like change in opinion about these. Yep. I also think the public has educated ourselves a little bit more on these things and then and how they go.
00:42:30
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Yeah, and speaking of victims, we obviously are a medical podcast talk about medical related things and one of the most not most interesting but one of the things that we talked about was about the surgeon that was in Florida that actually took out someone's liver.
00:42:46
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um but yeah here practice thing And how we're all kind of aghast. And I remember at first I said, who can do something like this? My God, it's a terrible sermon. You know, take away your license, you know, send them to jail, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I made my first mistake as a resident and I said, oh, you know, we all make mistakes. That's right.
00:43:10
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Can you clarify what mistake was that? It wasn't like a mistake like costly, right? i Okay, I can say the mistake now because now I'm six months into intern year and I feel like I'll never make that mistake again. So basically, um when someone's going through like, um like early pregnancy loss or something like that, there's certain like specific criteria you have to meet in order to call it early pregnancy loss, right? And so I read the radiology report and they said there's no fetal cardiac activity and then they listed the length of the crown rump length and they listed like the yolk sac, gestational sac, whatever, but there's no fetal cardiac activity. So my new interim brain was like, oh my God, there's no fetal cardiac activity.
00:43:50
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you know, it's bad suck it out. You know what I mean? Like it's gone. You know what I mean? Unfortunately, like you're miscarrying. However, just when I was about to call the patient telling unfortunately, like she's miscarrying or whatever, I was like, let me go ask my chief before I call someone and tell them that they're miscarrying. So then I called my chief and she was like, read the practice bulletin on early pregnancy loss. And I was like, bet I'll read it.
00:44:13
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And then I read the criteria and I was like, huh, she's not miscarrying. And I almost told her to like, get it such a DNC on her present, you know, embryo. And then two weeks later, they did repeat ultrasound and there was cardiac activity. So yeah, people make mistakes.
00:44:33
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um Now, would I still remove someone's liver? No, right? But, you know, all bro but like you know like this person has been experiencing her current pregnancy loss and I was going to take out another one. wrong lean him so um You we all learn from our mistakes.
00:44:55
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And you should give grace. I mean, the liver thing is crazy to me still, but people make mistakes. And that's why I'm glad that I have excellent chiefs at my program who makes sure I don't make mistakes like that. I ain't gonna lie. Yo, your senior, she tried for that. She should have told you like what to do. Like she made you go read extra.
00:45:14
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I mean, tell me and then I'm going to go read about it. like You know what I mean? I'm worried. I'm going crazy. and I like feel like, oh, shoot. And then when she came to see me afterwards, she was like, would you read? And I was like, I almost once aborted someone's fetus, you know, without the group without their consent. And she's like, yeah, again. And now I'm good at it. I don't do that anymore.
00:45:38
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No, that's a fact. No, but I ain't no surgeon and I don't want to be no surgeon. So shout out to you. You know what I mean? The OR is too cold. I like to be fresh and fly when I'm walking down the hallway. sarah but thats yeah That's a fact. Wait. um Yeah. How do you miss a liver? That is such a tremendously interesting thing, right? because When you think about it, can we list the organs in largest order? I think the liver is probably the largest organ, right? Skin is the largest. And then... She messed up the vibe, bro. You said one largest organ. Isn't that the skin? Yeah, outside of the skin. Yeah, you're supposed to follow along. See, like, it's all good though.
00:46:26
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All right. what's What's the largest internal organ in the body? like Literally, the liver is the first thing you come across when you open somebody's cavity on the right side. or like It's not that hard to miss. But it's unfortunate because the other thing about this case was that the man had lied on his report about what he had done. So you're trying to hide, because the thing is in medicine, one thing that people I'm not necessarily going to say that people are ultimately like super forgiven, but if you do make a mistake, people can respect that. You was honest that you was transparent because mistakes do happen, right? Like we are human beings, right? You could be the best neurosurgeon in the world, the best primary care doc, whatever. All of them, every doctor has made a mistake in some shape or form. Some more fatal than others, unfortunately. And that's the name of the game when you're entering into this space, right?
00:47:17
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patients in their most critical state, especially as a surgeon. But you have to have some form of integrity and professionalism to address those issues. In order to do that, you got to let people know, hey, this is what happened. Even if it's the fact the matter is you like you was tied, you know, oftentimes surgeons, they work a lot of hours, etc, etc. That can happen, right?
00:47:37
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but Actually, 20% of medical errors um medical deaths in medicine is due to medical errors, which can then stem from a lot of different things, trauma, you know anxiety, stress, et cetera, et cetera. So with this case being said, I think that the clear matter for us as people training is that if you don't know something, if you feel tired, if you feel uncomfortable with situations, let people know. You got to prioritize where you are in this process.
00:48:05
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All it takes is one mistake. Think about it. This guy worked his whole life to be a surgeon. And he's a DO too. So I ain't, you know what I'm saying? You've got to do better, bro. But you worked your whole life to get to this position. And that one, I mean, it was a tragic mistake. You lost everything. Now, where do you go from here? And you possibly going to get a charge and go to prison. Where do you go from there? You know what I mean? So with that being said, Chinasa, what do you think about this?
00:48:31
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how you feel yeah I think for me, I was just thinking about just general surgery in general as a professional. or I think the surgical professions. they have a higher rate of malpractice compared to say a family medicine of 5.2%. So when I was thinking about it a second time around, I was like wondering how much of this era had to do with the situation around perhaps like burnout or just his own mental state, whether he was under the influence when he was doing this or things like that. Because unfortunately surgeons are, there they are, um,
00:49:07
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charge more for medical malpractice. And I guess more importantly, I wonder how they recover after that. As a surgeon, I feel like you just have this mirror always and then you make a mistake and then and then everyone's laser focus on you.
00:49:27
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But I do agree. This is still, still, still, still very hard to wrap my my mind around considering that just last year he also took out the pancreas instead of the adrenal gland. At the same time, it's like how much grace can I give you? You know what I mean? Like I like to give grace, but um <unk> y'all I'm confused, I'm confused.
00:49:48
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I mean, I know I'm only one with the uterus and ovaries, but I just feel like it shouldn't be that difficult. You're taking out the wrong organs, bro. Relax, too. I'm just in there just doing whatever. I'm just confused. Even me, who's not a surgeon, if I open somebody's cavity, I'm like, that's a liver and then I back away. I could point to you.
00:50:17
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Even a blind baby could know that joint, man. That's what I'm saying. Come on. It's unfortunate, but what do you think this means for medicine as a in terms of training, right? Because we go through such, in some ways, toxic situations, right? Yeah. And very challenging experiences as we become attending physicians. And I think that there's burden placed on us. Go ahead, Chanasa, and talk about it.
00:50:43
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No, I was just gonna say, I think there's a need for continuous education. So if you forgot anatomy 101, for example, perhaps you could go back and use a refresh. Yeah, i yeah to under that's stuff that's crazy.
00:50:59
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But I think you know, like, as someone who's like in a surgical specialty, I will say like working when exhausted in any specialty a lot, but working like there'd be times where I'm trying to catch a nap. And then someone calls and they said, Oh, there's a c-section run. It's like three a.m. in the morning stat, you have to read, you have to like, muster all your your hippocampus, all the other organs in your brain to, you know get through the procedure at three am m the morning when you're a learner. You know what I mean? So I feel like surgery training definitely needs to be modified, you know, a little bit. I don't think it's healthy for physicians to work while they're tired. I'm personally, I've decided that after residency, I i don't think I'm ever gonna choose a job that has 24 hour shift. I'm not doing it. I can't function. I literally start having hallucinations on the 23rd hour. I can't do it. That's a fact. I'll be delirious. I'll be laughing. I'm literally delirious. I thought the baby was out. The baby was still in. I was just opening my eyes like this, just ready for that. I am so exhausted on the 22nd hour. It's crazy. so I think we need to find a way to modify surgical residencies, all residencies for the most part, um so that we're able
00:52:19
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operate with a more clear mind. I like that the attendings at my program don't work 24-hour shifts if anything because at least there's someone that's in charge that's the boss that's not chronically exhausted like the residents are. So definitely something needs to change for sure. Okay everybody.
00:52:38
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00:52:56
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