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Unscripted: Unraveling the Mystery
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It's time to start unraveling the mysteries from our February Run the List episode! Join our hosts as they dive deeper into to the previously mentioned discussions surrounding the 2025 Grammy awards, love and partnerships as a Black woman in medicine, Rank List submissions for residency, and the short-lived Tik Tok ban. We're sure you'll be tempted to jump right into the conversations of these very trending topics!
Be sure to join The Lounge podcast at AMEC this April for the exciting events that we'll be hosting! We look forward to a fun-filled weekend, and cannot wait to see you all there!
To share your thoughts on our discussions or if you have any questions to ask our hosts, email podcast@snma.org for a chance to be featured on the show!
Disclaimer: The opinions and views expressed on our podcast do not reflect the official stance of the Student National Medical Association.
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AMEC and Weekend Podcast Sessions
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The views expressed on this podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association. The lounge will be at AMEC. Come and join us at any of our three sessions we'll be hosting throughout the weekend. We'll love to see you there.
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We'll be hosting Pop the Balloon on Thursday afternoon. We'll be hosting the AMEC Talent Show Thursday evening. And of course, you got to join us for our classic Run the List live podcast recording on Friday morning.
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Our hosts will be in attendance and they will love to see you there.
Introduction to 'Unscripted' Series
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Welcome to Unscripted, as series where we take our most high-yield, run-the-list conversations a step further. Our goal for each episode is to uncover our personal takes on previously discussed topics while highlighting diverse viewpoints that may be representative of our listeners.
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So sit back, relax, and get your tea ready as we, your hosts, take you through our thoughts on some very trending topics. I'm Dr. Dumebi, one of the co-hosts. Nice to see you guys all again.
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Hey, everybody. It's student Dr. Samiza. I'm a fourth year at Drexel. Getting ready to talk to you guys today. Hey, everyone. So I am student Dr. Isabella, um not a usual host of Unscripted, but we're having a little bit of a special edition ah freestyle episode where it's actually going to be the same Rundle List host from the February episode on this Unscripted episode. so Deja vu, deja vu, deja vu. It's your boy, Jared Jeffrey.
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um And yeah, we're back for round two, talking about the same topics, just with a little bit more depth and opinion this time. So buckle in. Like Isabella said in the last episode, we know y'all be rocking with us, so come rock with us just a little bit more and let's get to it.
2025 Grammy Highlights and Wins
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All right. On our first topic, um the Black Grammy wins for 2025. This year was a big win for a lot of our Black artists. um Beyonce won Album of the Year and Best Country Album. Kendrick Lamar won Best Song Plus Record of the Year. And Dochi's the third Black woman to win Rap Album of the Year.
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We had a lot of you know great conversation on the last one. and um I wanted to ask you guys, did you guys see Dochi in France this year for Fashion Week?
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Oh, I didn't see her for Fashion Week. She's just been popping up a lot on my TikTok though recently, like in terms of even before she won the Grammys, I think when her album was out, like she was, or when she did the Tiny Desk recording, like there was a lot of clips circulating on TikTok of her doing that. And so um I've just been seeing her really out and about since she put out um Alligator Bites Don't Heal.
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I think it's very much like a, you know, solid album. So I'm just kind of grateful that she's continuing to rise in her stardom
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it's crazy how a lot of people didn't really know who she was actually like i was in the ah or and one of the surgeons was like what should we play and i was like oh like put like a dochi like playlist something like that they're like who's that and i was like how do you not know who dochi is she's like oh you really put me on to something else like she literally won like best rapper of the year's rap rap album of the year so it's just funny how like people win these big awards but they're still like I guess more fame to achieve, like still not everyone knows who you are. yeah um I'm glad that she got this opportunity to really like, you know,
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talk about her because she's been in the game for a long time like everyone's saying that she's like this new artist that just like popped out of nowhere but she's actually been at the game for a pretty long time so yeah i actually knew about her for when she came out with her ah i guess was that her mixtape um it was like oh the places you'll go and i think it came up maybe on like one of the playlists that i had on my apple music and like i heard her song come up i was like oh she's like fire so then just to see like her rise since then and i think she even started off as a youtuber people said as well yeah i i didn't know her when she was a youtuber but i knew her like when she put out her early albums and so yeah just really nice to see her on the rise and she's doing her thing you know young black woman really like dominating the game and then you have more seasoned people right like beyonce who also made a monumental milestone in the grammys this year winning album of the year everybody was wondering like when is she about to get this album or this uh award like what is really the hold up
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And so just to kind of see that happen, as well as her winning Best Country album for um Cowboy Carter, I think is just like really nice to see some black women getting their shine ah this year at the Grammys.
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Yeah, I think it's it's interesting that you bring up Beyonce. um I actually was looking at a ah USA Today article by Cache McClay, and Beyonce is actually...
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the most decorated artist in Grammy history. So I want to correct myself. So I had said it was Jay-Z, but this actual Grammys put her ahead of... Now it's Beyonce. It's a hell of so heck of a household, man.
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man Just breaking each other's records. So she's the most nominated person in Grammy history with 11 Grammy nominations for the 2025 Grammys. I'm going to just front down the list real quick.
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Album of the Year, Cowboy Carter, Record of the Year, Texas Hold'em, Song of the Year, Texas Hold'em, Best Pop Solo Performance, Bodyguard, Best Pop Duo or Group Performance, Levi Jeans featuring Post Malone, ah Best Melodic Rap Performance, Spaghetti featuring Melinda, Partel, and Shabuzi, Best Country Solo Performance for 16 Carriages, Best Country Duo or Group Performance for his Two Most Wanted featuring Miley Cyrus, Best Country Song for Texas Hold'em, Best Country Album for Cowboy quarter Carter, and Best Americana Performance for Yaya.
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wow okay so you know very well decorated she doesn't i know i know that the album of the year was uh you know on the main stage but i think that just goes to show that this uh album overall this body of work right was something that you know i'll just say was truly special to get 11 grammy nominations overall 100 and i think she won what was it five of them Yeah, she won a lot. that she ah clean house she just really She really cleaned cleared it out as usual. And I'm just happy for her about that. Of course, we can't forget who dominated Summer 2024, Kendrick. don't know if I could just say Summer 2024 because he's still going.
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Oh, yeah, he's still going. well He's still going for sure. He's definitely still going. So he won Best Song and Record of the Year um at the Grammys. And, you know, it's like we said. even Actually.
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Sorry, it's it's unscripted. So, you know, I had to come with the facts and the statistics. Oh, okay. Period. but Record of the year, not like us. Song of the year, not like us.
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Best music video, not like us. Best rap song, not like us. Best rap performance, not like us. Call that boy Thanos, he just collected the infinity stones. Oh, all the infinity stones. In different colors. That's five. Snap, Drake, you're gone.
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No, it's just crazy because it's like from a diss track. Like this is not something that is normal or common. And so I think for him to do that, knowing that this was not something he just had in his the back his back shelf, like, oh this is a I'm going to put out.
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He put this out on a whim and look at how it's just clearing. Right. so So I want to just, you know, take us back to that time a little bit. You know, I'm sure everybody was busy. Everybody had lot going on, but everybody also had an opinion.
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oh and I'm not gonna lie I had an opinion too and boy was I wrong I'm a Drake fan I was out here yo Kendrick can't last in a rap battle yo the conscious stuff is not gonna hit watching Cole pull out J. Cole would at least would have came in second at least like And now it's just you know kind of humbling you know nine months later to see, okay, my boy done got the Infinity Gauntlet worth of the Grammys. I was screaming.
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J. Cole bowed out before this started, and Drake not allowed to talk on social media no more. I thought they got over that, though. I thought everybody said Cole was right. The decision he made was correct.
00:08:36
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He should not have entered something that that was that bloody. Because that was that was war. That was not just a regular... you know, rap battle. That was war. They started bringing in families. They started bringing in children, you know, illicit children.
00:08:50
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You know what I'm saying? well ah All I'm going to say is, man, it's just, it's just, it's it's it's it's like a one-sided fight, you know?
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Because it felt like they was, you know, going back and forth in the midst of it. But looking at the outcome afterwards, it's just like, and it's tough to say. It's tough to say. Like I said, I'm a Drake fan.
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oh Drake shouldn't have gotten the ring.
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I mean, listen, think about it. Five Grammys and a Super Bowl performance later. You shouldn't have
Kendrick vs. Drake: A Musical Rivalry
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poked a bit. So there's a popular saying in sports, right? I'm gonna bring a little, you know, guy take to unscripted.
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Okay. Okay, that's different. That's new. What's going to do with that? in In basketball, LeBron James is the GOAT. He's the greatest to ever play the game.
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My boy just crossed 50,000 points. Ain't nobody ever scored 50,000 points in the NBA, by the way. He...
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he There's a popular saying, you know, don't talk ish to LeBron James on the court. Like if he's having an off day, whatever, like, you know, it's whatever. Like don't don't start pumping your chest up. Oh, you're up 12 points. You're up 15 points.
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The announcers always say it. Don't poke the bear. If you see a bear sleeping, don't poke it. Don't poke the bear.
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This is a tough analogy. It's Kendrick Lamar. Now the LeBron James of rap. that's a hot take because that's a hot take right but you know you poke the bear look what you got because here's the thing here's the only argument and like I said I'm a Drake fan I got some big Kendrick fans in my friend group and yeah all I can say to them yo your mans don't put on music like it'll be easy to like you know back him up if he put more stuff out yeah then it's tough right my apple music algorithm started to change after all of this and they did start putting in kendrick music they did like the the song um love featuring rihanna yeah backseat freestyle uh there was a song he did with drake
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um all of this is like coming back into my into my yeah regular plays and I'm like damn Kendrick fake got some bops he do but I will say he's different from Drake still that's the thing listen Drake just put out Nokia that thing's already a playing on in clubs you don't try to say like who's calling my phone bops are for the ah ah for the album i ah for the the thes not the album the bops are for the the label okay And then Kendrick makes his conscious conscious music for the people.
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Correct. know what I'm saying? They serve different purposes. I think that's what it is. They just serve different things. Yeah, the conscious music might overshadow the bops, but the bops was there. Oh, 100%. So I'm like, damn, he could damn make some music.
00:11:54
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Yeah, 100%. So like you know when you really put it in context, like you know over the years, yo, don't poke the bear. And then you you poke the bear. And poking the beer led to a five Grammy Super Bowl performing.
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This track.
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yo keep adding the adjectives keep on adding them it was a lot it was a lot like it was it was it was mother and grandmother and great grandma if she's still here know that song yeah it's really bad it's like really bad it's really really bad tiktok everybody two-stepping from that super bowl like it's just people are two-stepping at their weddings let me get this yeah yeah yeah Conan O'Brien was hosting the Oscars and he said, okay, time for Kendrick to come out and call Drake a pedophile.
00:12:43
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Oh, God. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. but you know he's He's a comedian or whatever. So, you know, it's one of those kinds of jokes. But it's just like, yo, like now it's the rap beef has gotten like so one sided that it made it outside the culture, you know, like, yeah like you know what i mean? So I'm like, yo, like, that's fair.
00:13:04
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That's a win That is a like like yo You poked a bear And you know what it is like so I think the longevity of it too People were saying yo Drake got mainstream on their knee pads Like everything that Drake drops Just goes to the top 10 Like oh Drake is giving this person um A number one Giving that person number one Yeah That Drake and Party album Didn't do numbers Like it was cool but i don't i don't think I don't think it was meant to do numbers. That's the thing. I think it was meant for Drake to throw a little sin into the wind. Remember. remember he so so So, no, no, no. Before this, anything Drake dropped did numbers. But with Party, though, Party is is like... Drake and Party, they used to do numbers. They used to really like...
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But I feel like the album is like not meant to be filled with like bops. Like it's like more of an R&B kind of, you know, sensual. Like they said, it sexy, some sexy songs for you. That's the point of the album. Like, you know, but yeah, at least one thing would crack the top 10, top, top 20, top 25 something.
00:14:11
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Nokia is not making those numbers right now? it's not Maybe Nokia. I think Nokia is i think's doing pretty well. i think it's doing good. ya yeah Sorry, sleeper of the album. This is just random. I need the the podcast to hear this. Small town thing. He kind of ate that.
00:14:26
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Again, Again, back to what you guys are all saying. Yeah, he flogged him like that was his child. Literally, and their mother from little babe to old granny knows the song. It's been going on for months.
00:14:41
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Like you said, it's way out of just hip-hop. It's it's literally everywhere. And it's, it's so sad. Like you said, i would classify myself as a Drake fan as well. And he's had such great songs in the past, but like literally for some sexy songs for you to be the, the answer to everything that's been going on is absolutely ludicrous.
00:15:04
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The thing is though, had he even opened his mouth, even just to say Pim, it literally would have caused even more havoc and, and, and, and issues. So, yeah. You know what it's giving? You know it's giving? I feel like it was a lose-lose situation. feel like it was a lose-lose situation for Drake. At this point, we know that Kendrick holds this title and this kind of prestige within rap, and it's very hard for anyone to come close to that unless you're like an OG. Drake is a pop star. He's not just a rapper. No, that was not what we were saying before. That's not what we were saying before this rap beef. Kendrick holds this spot.
00:15:44
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Drake holds this But I feel like Kendrick before they were on equal footing before we used to think, I don't know who's better. Drake got this, but Kendrick got this. That's fair.
00:15:56
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And now you see, but that's the effect of not like us, not like us got a saying, why would Drake even challenge Kendrick?
Challenges for Black Women in Medicine and Relationships
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this might be the most clear win in rap beef history yeah yeah it was very much a clear win it was very much a clear win there's nothing there's nothing we can say outside like drake sorry you know hope the rest of this year is better for you but unfortunately 2024 was not your year but let's hope it is the year for black women particularly black women in medicine black love and yeah
00:16:30
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You know what I'm trying to say? i actually so you guys know the show Married to Medicine, the reality TV show. yeah Yes. ah Myth or fact? I need I need everyone to I'm going to pull pull the room right now. Myth or fact?
00:16:44
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It was fact. Now I don't know. i Times are changing. I'm not too sure. yeah I still say fact. Okay. Because I see that ring. I do me i still see that ring glistening on your finger. Why even know? But yeah, it's it's a it's a fact for you. Let me let me give the real single fact. It's a hard fact.
00:17:06
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But it's still a fact. let me let me Let me give it to the girlies that aren't as lucky. Okay. Dume B is trying be so humbled. i love it. I love it. What's that African proverb? They say, like, it's lonely at the top. Lonely, lonely, lonely.
00:17:23
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yeah Oh, i don't know that one. Money on my mind. Money, money, money. that That's a good one. I haven't heard that one. It's hard out here. So, so like elaborate though. Do y'all think it is possible to like, you know, I'm to say even before y'all get like completely finished, is it possible? Like while you're on your way to the top, while you're on your way to your profession, finding somebody that.
00:17:50
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gets it. Equal footing. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody on equal footing. Yes. I like that one. let Let me, let me know. I think that like you were kind of saying to maybe this generation is odd. There's social media that's involved here.
00:18:07
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You know, ah as we continue to go through generations, Black women are more degreed compared to, let's say, if you're looking for marrying or dating someone within your race, Black men are not necessarily meeting the same level ah as Black women currently.
00:18:23
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So if you are like me, where you look at money and you look at you know uh potential in terms of how serious is this person when it comes to their career and like being able to sustain a family then yeah it's looking kind of bleak but i don't know if i will say myth because i've seen it work for some people i've seen it happen for some people but i think it mostly like if it happens it doesn't always look like what you maybe originally envisioned like more black women i think are marrying outside of their race because they don't want to settle when it comes up to that
00:18:54
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I mean, I didn't say that, but sometimes you have to. This girl is too funny. You said that's not my ministry, but I know sometimes that's a possibility. Sometimes you have to like just, you know, what it called? Founders of effect, bottleneck effect. One of the things. You have to just go find a new population.
00:19:11
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and Yeah. You know, and then also I think that, like I said in the last one, it's like you have to. not say leave medicine, but a lot of people think that a lot of people think that you have to like date someone in your class or in the class above you or something like that. That just wasn't realistic for me because there are only five black people in my class, one black male in my class, and then he left.
00:19:38
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So where did... yeah where did so no one, okay. yeah and it also and it also My my med school was 70% women, too.
00:19:49
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So it's also like, I don't date women. So right got it you have to like start thinking critically, like, what am I going to do? So then you have to go to the other places. Where where are people going? Black men are going to IT.
00:20:01
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They're going to engineering. They're not really coming to medicine, which is sad. we'll talk about that another time. But for dating prospects, we have to now flee. So, you know, I said, go to the engineering building, sit down, study, bring your coffee, wear your nice little, you know, two-piece set to study.
00:20:17
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You know, you have to play the game, right? You have to play the game because if not, like, you're going to be lost. The other people... of other you know races and colors understand how to play that game when they get to college i think black women are not taught properly how to date and they're not taught properly how to court and to find suitors and i think once black women kind of get that because if we go to school to go to school right but other people face your books other people go to school to not only go to school but to yeah
00:20:50
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you know, build their life in all aspects, emotionally, financially, intellectually, all the things. So I think once black women get on that wavelength and start, you know, using their third eye, I don't know how to say it. I think it'll work out.
00:21:04
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At that point, I think we need four. We need two. Not just one in the middle. We need four eyes. No, no, no. But I wanted to touch on some points that you maybe brought up. i I think that a lot of the root issue sort of comes to, like, I guess, our dating practices before we get into these spaces, right?
00:21:26
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So yeah I think it's also important to note that me, Isabella, and Dumebi are all women of West African descent. That is like a no-go. The dating world, like honestly, for at least for sure pre-college, right? Then you get to college and you're like ooh, i don't really know what to do here.
00:21:44
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Am I going to date? Am I not? Like, you're kind of weird. You don't really know how to act. Yeah. so right that whole fumbling process of, you know, courtship that's like foreign. And then say it doesn't happen for you in college and you get to medical school and you're like, wait, wait, wait.
00:21:57
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I'm like actually old now. I'm like actually in in marrying age now. I really need to. Yeah. yeah And then you're like, wait. who I want is not around me. Right. Do i look into those outside spaces? Do I look outside of my race?
00:22:12
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Is that something that's super important to me? And I think, you know, then it's also is the, the receiving population, are they receptive to you?
00:22:23
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Right. like that's but that's a major That's a major thing. When we talk about married and medicine being myth or fact, I think this is a very gendered question. If you ask a male, I don't necessarily think it's that much of an issue for them. Then you can find a lot of Black women that are great, amazing partners. They can find a lot of non-Black women that are great, amazing partners.
00:22:43
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When you put the the mirror on Black women, can we find those similar partners? no Hell no. Sorry, Jerry, you're going to have to edit that.
00:22:56
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No! It's very difficult. And, you know, I think that there have been some great people like around me and they've been great and, you know, possible, you know. yeah the possibility is there it's just the reality is like not necessarily always what we think sort of like what janevi was saying and yeah it it is really difficult and you have to like you have to try and and shape and conform yourself to make yourself available for that and did you just say make yourself smaller what no available make yourself available making me up a i choose my weds very very carefully i would never
00:23:31
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I don't know smaller it is it Small isn't even in our vocabulary I don't know where you got that one from Jared You can't go smaller like you know so so So no that's that's what I'm saying It's saying if you have to shape and conform yourself That sounds like I'm making myself smaller.
00:23:48
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No, you're just fitting yourself into other spaces. Correct. You know what I mean? You want me to be childless? You want be childless and marriage-less forever? the end of the day, you need the chromosome. Like, that's just what it is. Trust me, if I could have kids somehow magically on my own, I would even choose that path. I'll use my bone marrow. I'm telling you. You have bone marrow.
00:24:07
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I'll harvest my bone marrow and I'll have triple. She said, I'm going to figure out how to clone the baby. Okay.
00:24:15
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I would use my phone mirror. don't care. I mean, I think it's a possibility, but it's, and i think a lot of black women understand that that's the mindset we have to go into. But again, there's the added pressure for a lot of us.
00:24:30
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We may be the first person in our family to go through this, right? Correct. So you're trying to, you're trying to figure out your career in this career field that is literally harder every day.
00:24:41
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Literally, like when I say that, I'm not even joking. Like it gets harder at every step. A hundred percent. You got to try to figure out how to get a husband by the end of it. That is that's not a part of the curriculum.
00:24:53
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Nobody. Right. Right. The hidden curriculum. Right. There you go. Correct. So I would like to. um i would like to to to first kudos you, Samisa. You hit a lot of nails yeah on the head that I was that i was thinking.
00:25:07
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Thank you. thank you I would like to say that you you brought up something that I was actually going to bring up where a lot of my homegirls from undergrad of West African descent I remember when we was 22, 23, they was like, yeah, you know, we just graduated.
00:25:23
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Why is my father talking about, okay, wedding now? That's what they do. That's what they Why is my father talking about, oh, yeah, husband, where is your...
00:25:35
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Ozband Ozband I just got the degree i just finished school You didn't want me to get pregnant in school So I stayed away from boys You know what I'm saying yeah And now she's just like Yo like if this feels like OD pressure rentton You know that same sis is 29 and engaged right now so okay Congrats to her very very lit
00:26:06
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I legitimately, but sorry, maybe my face was showing some sadness because it's like, my God's grace, you'll see me at 29. I'll be saying, you know, married and, you know, kids.
00:26:18
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but She's not in medicine. So maybe that's. Oh, okay. Yeah. She's not in medicine. But um I did have, like, you know, like, I was listening back to the pod episode after it released.
00:26:29
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And, you know, I was reflecting on the conversation that, you know, Dume B and I had. And I was also thinking, you know, similarly to the topic of the young fellow from Popeyes, where I was thinking, like, you know, I wanted to provide a corollary that went the other way on how something else that may not work. I was like...
00:26:48
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Similarly, if you were to, and actually want Isabella to answer this. I'm going to ask it as a question. Okay. Isabella, would you be able, you know, you said that, you know, money is a factor if for you for picking.
00:27:00
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Yeah. Would you be able to deal with a man who owns a business and, you know, he fits all the the other criteria, right? Okay. Normal, like, you know, physique and stuff like that. Okay.
00:27:10
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He owns a business. Very successful business. Not oldie successful. you know His take home is maybe like um similar to what you would make as a doctor. Maybe like $350,000. That's great. are perked.
00:27:24
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this a real person? Watch. but so watch for watch business is The business is so successful he only has to do twenty hours a week of work Wow the problem can um Everything sounded sweet What's the catch?
00:27:41
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In the actual application Of the relationship You are a doctor You have to work 40 to 60 hours a week okay He has to work 20 hours a week He has a lot more free time than you u yeah but so do Do you think it still works?
00:28:00
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ah 100 that one is gonna be the stay home dad you make sure the kids is straight you're the pta dad he burie yeah i'm even happy that's even that's even my ideal situation i even want a guy who could work from home that's what i'm put my prayer is a work from home man that's actually what i prefer mr mom
00:28:19
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Yeah, especially like if I see myself being the one that's going more out. I always like the idea of having a partner or a parent present in the house so we can like make sure things are good. you know So me, personally, I'm cool with that. But maybe some women feel like they need to see their guy like out doing stuff. that I'm cool. i know If the money's flowing in, who care I'm happy.
00:28:37
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don't care if he doesn't even blink. If the money's there, I don't care. okay. You blink, Seth. I don't care. I'm going to play devil's advocate now. Stay with me. Okay. That's always people's reaction. We said, and you want adding one you wanted to hold on, hold on. So, so, so the devil's advocate is really, I'm going to present the mindset of a man that makes 350 K. That's, that's what I'm going to do.
00:29:06
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I make 350 K. I worked hard. My business is successful. Now is my time to rest. Okay. My wife, my wife wants me to work in the house. yeah yeah we're partners, right? So like, listen, i don't mind i don't mind sharing some of the load if you feel like... If you work 20 hours a week, I'm not sharing anything with you.
00:29:27
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Sorry.
00:29:29
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If you're working 20 hours a week, I'm not saying it. This might be TMI for the podcast. But me personally, I feel like I believe in some traditional stuff, like traditional house stuff, right?
00:29:40
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As a woman. That's kind of what I'm getting at. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Because I'm going to set the stage then I'm going to put myself on mute. Okay. this The stage that I'm setting is the same way that the Popeyes man don't work because he don't work hard enough.
00:29:58
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my find for Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stay with me. Stay with me. Stay with me. I think the though this the the two successful business owners with too much free time on his hands also may not work because it's too much of a disconnect.
00:30:18
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ah So you're saying you want me to sit myself down with him at home and and make no money? No, no, no. that's That's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying. So this is this is to answer the the topic of married in medicine. Okay.
00:30:32
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we We're married in medicine. We're both doing the same thing, working the same amount of time, in the same amount of spaces, in the same kinds of spaces. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it, you know, fact or myth, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? um I'm just providing the...
00:30:48
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I'll call it think piece of the person that does have the money. Okay. Instead of getting the money for 60 hours a week, like we do, h he gets in 20 week.
00:31:03
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But then, you know, how do you fill in the rest? You know what saying? I mean, my thing is we can work that out. Yeah, we can work that out. I mean, I'm not marrying my child. I'm marrying my partner. So ultimately, I'm not going to do everything on my own.
00:31:16
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But I feel like if there's certain things that he's used to doing as a man and he feels like there's certain things he feels like a woman might be more equipped to do. like, let's say more child-related things, maybe we can see how that works. if it's Like, especially if I'm away from the house more, he might have to pull his weight a little bit more, but that's a conversation. I don't think there's any perfect way to go about, like, how you're going to share the load. That's a very partner and partner-dependent kind of thing.
00:31:40
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But I do feel like it's okay, even if he, like, has certain viewpoints that maybe differ from mine, because that's just going to be a conversation. And, like, hey, if we can't agree, then maybe...
00:31:52
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I'll just pray again and say, God, do I have to make more compromises because this 20-hour-a-week-at-3.50 thing is too sweet to pass on. It's too nice.
00:32:04
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I was even going to say, I can even go part-time. go part-time. That's it. Because if you're already making that much money, I technically don't need to work full-time at that point. like That's already a full-time family salary. The medical girlies...
00:32:20
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the met The medical girlies really do like the idea of get this big fancy MD degree and then work half time. If you have all these APPs and everyone else that wants to work, why should I?
00:32:34
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Everyone else wants to work. Everyone wants to do it. Why should I have to do it? What's the issue? was's the issue i have other hobbies. I'll be doing stuff.
00:32:45
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application i'd be doing stuff She said, I can give more time to the podcast. Yeah. We're going to have episodes every three days.
00:32:57
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out I would like to have do a real world application to what Jared said. Okay. So I was talking you with my fiance and I told him like, though I love a clean house, I'm not going to be the one to clean it.
00:33:09
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Especially if I'm working 80 hours a week and you tell me, hey, let's do the dishes. I'm going tell you no because I only, like, I work so much. I get home. I don't want to use my free time to do dishes or, like, vacuum and stuff like that.
00:33:25
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Yeah. Yeah. And even when i was in med school, I actually because I worked in med school. I had a like a cleaner come to my house like once um or to my apartment once a month to like clean my apartment and stuff. So I said, we need to invest in a housekeeper to like clean our house once a month.
00:33:42
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And but he wasn't raised like that to like have. housekeepers. I, my mom had housekeepers like once every month, every two months, whatever. Yeah. So you have to like come to that mutual understanding. Like I work a lot and I do believe in, again, like you said, it's about some gender role type things. However, i'm not an octopus. I'm one human being.
00:34:01
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And if I still, if you still want me to work and you know, I have the potential to bring home these six figures and all those things and have the dual income and all that stuff that people fantasize, you're going to to hire help.
00:34:12
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It's not going to be me. I'm not, I can't do it. Like you're not, it's either you have the time or the treasure. That's what they typically say. So if you want my time, like you want me to be nice and sweet and feminine, don't ask me to do any dish.
00:34:24
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The answer will be no. Go hire somebody that will do it. I just don't see it. Especially, you know, like, so me doing those types of duties, but you still want me to be fun and lively and sweet and that's not going to happen. It's really not going to happen.
00:34:40
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The dishes is getting the fun and lively you. Yeah. I'm putting my back. And the laundry is getting the sweet. So there's nothing left for him. And there's nothing left for him. So I said, you know, if you want me to be the nice, pleasant person you met back in 2022, then you need to hire somebody to this house. First, before I go, before I go, because I would love to hear all the ladies take. Samizu, you have anything on this one?
00:35:06
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I mean, I think I said a whole bunch. i I think it just comes to the fact that um at least for this scenario, again, this is a very gendered question because I feel like women have been giving up a bunch for home and hearth, even if they're working or are the sole providers in the house for decades and however long there has been this concept of, you know, we need to take care of the house.
00:35:33
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But I think as soon as we ask a man to potentially do it, it becomes an issue. Right. But I mean, in this scenario, this is the idealized scenario. It's just not in the Y chromosome.
00:35:44
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. how whyi i mean nice and then I'm not even going to give you anything. I'm not. I'm just going to act like I didn't hear it. and it' gonna um Because everybody, just so that the podcast hears this, that is absolutely not true.
00:36:00
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bitch. and we have more gonna go into I'm not going to give it any air, but um many need to help throughout the house. But um in this particular scenario, it's idealized, right? Like a man making money and having time in reality, that man making 350 K and only working 20 hours, he's doing his 40 hours inside the home. Like there's stuff true he has to take care of, even if he's not in the office.
00:36:25
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True. Oh, that's there's that. But let's say that that's true. And he still has people to take care of you know, things for him and he really is only working 20 hours. If he has chosen me as his partner,
00:36:37
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and knowing what I've gone into like don't bring that stuff up to me afterwards no yeah y'all saw y'all saw y'all saw me change that I had to think about it what I was on don't bring that up to afterwards you knew what I was going into you knew that I was in a field where they're going to be calling a lot on me in my time and until I'm ready to make that decision for myself about whether or I want to part-time it or I want to right it's my hours don't do not ask me to do that because you knew who you married who asked to marry and who corrects like correct like this has always been that girl and her ambitions and dreams a car correct i like that i like that that's a beautiful way to to just like you said see me so like
00:37:19
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yeah We got hobbies, we have other things you also care about, so there might be a potential, right, that things might change, but it should be your
Navigating Medical Careers and Residency Match Process
00:37:25
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decision. It's not based on what your partner, who already knew who you were when he asked for your hand, is a heel physician, soon to be surgeon, you know what I'm trying to say? So ultimately...
00:37:34
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ah Let's talk about that pathway, right? Into getting to be the kind of doctors that we want to be. Okay. It's coming out. He's the degree. Oh, Lord. It's coming up for us. Yeah.
00:37:47
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So this rank list might have been a waste of my time. The degree makes a great declaration for the wall. Oh, not the wall. I'm screaming. At my parents' house, very nice and high.
00:37:58
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say We love the Latin and the English diploma. Come on. get You know what I'm trying to just say? It has a very nice frame. I'm screaming. But yeah. But rank lists were due...
00:38:09
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on wednesday of this past week but by the time you guys hear this maybe we would have already found out where at least me and samisa would have found out where we matched do maybe has already gone through this process jared is coming up he's coming up into the field real soon um so yeah guys like i feel like just the process of you know uh getting through medical school and then eventually even applying to residency then going through interviews and the rank list and all those things it's a lot and it's, it's also proves to be a stressful time. A lot of, you know, for a lot of people who are going through it, depending on where you went for school or, you know, what you're potentially applying into. Did you have to take a researcher? Did you have to, you know, not, you didn't have to take a researcher, that kind of stuff. But ultimately I'm kind of just curious, like, what do you guys feel like now that we're,
00:38:54
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little bit removed. but Some of us are more removed from the situation than others, but like some of us are still kind of waiting, but still more on the tail end. How do you guys want to advise like our listeners how to navigate this kind of process?
00:39:08
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Yeah, I had to, I'm low-key muting my med Twitter because the girlies are invoking anxiety. They're like, oh, is the algorithm finished? Can I take a little peek?
00:39:20
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Oh, gosh. Leave me alone. Stop talking about it. We're done. That is between God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and those people. Correct. Yeah. Nothing to do with me no more.
00:39:31
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Correct. Like I, you know, I like for me personally, as Isabella said, I'm, you know, going into surgery. That is a competitive field. I didn't take a research year, which that's like less common for general surgery, I think.
00:39:46
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um But it was very hard, like, because you're interviewing at these places, everybody's like, you know what? You're great. You're amazing. But we know how y'all act.
00:39:57
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Right. So you got it. It's very hard to, like, put your trust into that. and Yeah. be like You know, this is what I want to do This is how I'm feeling about this. You get in input and ah in input from like mentors and does this go with your potential career path? You go more with things that will make sense for your future, especially for those of us going for like fellowships versus yeah like places that make you feel warm and fuzzy. Where do you find the balance of those things?
00:40:25
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So those were all things that I was sort of thinking about when I put my rank list together and, and you know, Then you go back on the interview process and you're like, did I do everything I needed to do? Do they know that yeah I would really, really go there? Like, please, just give me a job.
00:40:39
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But at the end of the you just have to believe that, you know, the steps you put in are the right steps that you should have done. you just got to believe in yourself and know that no matter what, like you're going to land where you need to be.
00:40:52
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So that's what I'm going with. That's what I'm going to be saying to myself for the next 13 days. Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree. I will say from, like, going on the other side of things of ranking applicants, right?
00:41:09
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If there's any, like, solace or whatever. In terms of my class, like, and we all ended up matching at U Cincinnati, obviously. Some of us ranked U Cincinnati first, and I think some of us ranked up to, like, fourth. So we were kind of in that spectrum.
00:41:23
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But we were all pretty much happy, you know, where we ended up, right? Yeah. And I will also say is even if this program that you ranked is like your fifth choice or your sixth choice, usually people, I think the data shows you usually match within your top five. But, you know, sometimes you end up getting your sixth or seventh, depending on how competitive your specialty is.
00:41:39
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And I will say if you end up matching at your sixth choice, that usually means that that program really wanted you. You know what I mean? So even though you may have not really wanted them in that sense, they probably ranked you high enough to where the algorithm could match you at your sixth choice.
00:41:55
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Do you understand what I'm saying? Right. um Because like when we were ranking applicants, you're going hard for some people. There were actually contentions, debates about like, why would you put this person in two? They need to be down the bottom.
00:42:06
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Or this person is bottom. They need to be at the top. Like it was actually like a back and forth type of thing. So I will say is wherever you end up, those people fought for you. Like they really fought for you, whether it's your first choice, your second choice, your last choice.
00:42:19
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They wanted you to be there. ok Because I think on apply if a program has seven spots, they usually want to match within their top 21 because that means they got their top three choices. right So it's like the same thing. So if you ended up matching at a program with six spots, you're probably in their top 30.
00:42:35
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You know what I mean? I think that's something to say about them. They really fought for you to be in that spot. um The residents, the faculty, anything like that. So if that gives anyone any solace, if they don't match at their number one, like, oh, I didn't get what I really wanted. I feel like you got someone that really wanted you and that just shows how much they're going respect you and how much they really wanted you there and i'm really grateful that you mentioned that to maybe honestly yeah i'm grateful you mentioned that because like i think as someone who has like seen different iterations of match days and some people being really happy and then finding out some people were actually really
00:43:08
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upset or sad because they got pretty low on their list i've been trying to really gauge because it's hard how to lift people up let's say if they didn't get like their top choice on me i'm praying god you know let me get my top somewhere my top choice but ultimately i've also i'm at the space now where it's like wherever i end up if even if it's not maybe what i envisioned i believe it's god's plan for me because like he knows best if that makes any sense so I'm kind of just like releasing any kind of like expectations for match for me personally, but I know some people who did have very strong expectations and some of them, you know, were very, so you know, sorely disappointed when it comes to, cause it sounds like you've actually been behind the, the, the curtain and you've actually been a part of who gets to come or, you know, advocating.
00:43:51
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Is it about, if a person, let's say, is ranked highly or ranks low or whatever, is it about their fits amongst, like, the mission of the program? Is it about who they were personality-wise? Is it about, like, we just... Yeah, it's a combination of everything. So, for instance, like, rankless have already been submitted, so it's, like, whatever.
00:44:09
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But yeah there was... um We had a lot of home students at UC. There were 15 OB-GYN applicants just from UC alone, right? Yeah. So a lot of them... didn't do so well in the interview, but we knew them as like clinicians, right Because they had sub eyes with us.
00:44:24
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So because we have not done so well in the interview, they were still kind of moved up because yeah we knew who they were they rotated with us. Likewise, there are some people that, you know, they were great on interview, but we've seen them on the floor and they're not really, you know, that great, right? So that's what caused like a lot of the contention amongst the residents was like, we know this person is great, but their interview skills suck. Their essay kind of sucked. Like, well, we know they're a good person, you You know mean? It was a combination of everything. I think it has to do with fit as well.
00:44:52
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um Like when we did second looks and stuff, when I was like talking with applicants and things like that, just seeing like, not like they can carry a conversation because like they don't know me. I don't know them. Not really about that, but it's about like their positivity and like, can they, you know, talk about things outside of medicine?
00:45:08
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Can they, you know, you know, like carry on a conversation, that sort of thing, you know? So yeah I feel like it's just like, so like for me, when I was like interviewing applicants, it was more of just the grounds of like, tell me your story. Like, do you have a story?
00:45:21
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i don't really care about, cause at that point when you get the interview, it's not really about the research, not really about your stuff. It's not really about any that. It's really just about how you fit within a group. So also I will say, if you don't match at your number one, two, three, whatever,
00:45:33
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Just think of it as like I probably didn't mesh well with that group. And why would I want to go somewhere where I just don't match? Correct. You got the interview because you had the scores and whatever. So it's not about your stats. It's not about your research. It's not about you on paper. It's just like maybe you just didn't jive with that group and they're doing you a favor being like, go somewhere else where you can jive. You know what I mean? so Right.
00:45:53
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um Take everything. Like even for me, when I was like ranking, I was fine with numbers. I remember I said, I'm fine with one through nine. Once I hit 10, there's a problem. and And I genuinely believe that because I had really good places, like cool cities. It may have been like not the best program, but it was like the cities were cool. I knew my partner could have a job, you know, like that was what was most important for me. But I'm glad I matched where I matched because anything lower would have been.
00:46:19
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have been sad. But I still would have found joy in because, again, they wanted me. And I think that's the best thing is matching and knowing that a program wanted you and fought thought for you. so yeah Right. No, I agree. And, like,
00:46:31
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I don't know. i think it's also been the ah to to see the other side of it, too. Like, for some of my friends that have gone through, like, Opto or ENT or urology, like, just seeing sort of, you know, their joy and relief.
00:46:46
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I'm just praying for it. Like, it's going to be fine regardless. yeah's Yeah. super It's super hard um to, like... It's hard to suss it out. yeah And, like, what you said, Simiza, like... everybody's, yeah, you're so great.
00:46:57
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Yeah, you're so wonderful. What I care about is what I see on that envelope come March 21st. I feel like I open that envelope. The rest is noise. It's noise. don't just, like, no that's, that's it.
00:47:08
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So it's like, so it's like you have to, like, not, want to say so you have to play the game, but it's like, ultimately, you don't know what's real, what's fake. You just don't know. Because yeah at the end of the day, the decision is going to tell you what ended up really being real, you know, and what was actually fake.
00:47:23
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That kind of stuff. So, yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, um, good luck to yeah people like me. So good luck to but us. Us who are, you know, going to carry on the torch of entering. yeah Yeah. The medical profession. So, yeah, I mean, this is a, yeah, ah definitely a special time.
00:47:42
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I will say that, um, before you know kind of getting into the match stuff i was just thinking about like how the same way that we we were kind of fighting for ourselves on this trail trying to make sure that you know we're advocating for ourselves in terms of the special we want to go into people were really fighting for and really trying to advocate for tiktok back when there was this potential ban um of like hey we're taking out tiktok and everybody was you know freaking out ah you know everyone was kind of just my fault isabella gonna interrupt you Taylor Swift back in the day style Kanye West oh moon boom I'm gonna let you finish but before that I just want to say happy at national International Women's Day o to the three of you and all the women out there especially all of you all making waves out there in medical school you know today we celebrate your resilience intelligence and the undeniable impact that you're making in medicine and beyond your journey is not only inspiring but it's a testament
00:48:41
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to the strength of brilliance of women everywhere. Thank you for paving the way and showing the world what's possible. Here's to breaking barriers, lifting each other up and continuing to thrive.
00:48:53
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Love that. national We love it. Preach preacher. Come on. Thank you. Okay. You was on your soapbox. You was on your soapbox. I love it. I love it. I love I wasn't quiet in that last one for no reason. so let me think about them right he was yeah he was out here pondering but okay i love it uh thank you for that guys yeah happy international women's day but anyway getting back to kind of what we were talking about guys like yeah more importantly this tiktok no no not more importantly this is actually less importantly but i feel like we have to kind of talk about a little more because it it was odd wasn't it like it was everyone was anticipating this ban and then it happened but it was for less than a day and then it came back like
00:49:32
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so let's first talk about thank you president trump when he wasn't president yet super interesting super interesting political ploy to distract us from what's really was weird it was weird like it was so so like my first thought is why do you guys think it was such a short ban and what was really the purpose of this whole thing like why why were they saying we're gonna ban it and they barely banned it like i don't understand Honestly, it's just showing the state of
TikTok Ban and Its Political Implications
00:49:58
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our nation right now. We're all confused.
00:50:00
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I'm going to be out. We're literally in a simulation. No funny. It's just crazy. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Like, I literally was, like, mourning. I was like, wow, like, how am I going to get my fix?
00:50:13
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How am I, like, Instagram doesn't always hit all the time. You know what I mean? Like, how am I going to, and, like, the couple minutes was banned. Like, like I said last time, I was depressed. i literally was like, let me go find an SSRI um to put myself on because I was like, I don't have any, like, dopamine anymore.
00:50:29
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And it came back and it flooded back in me. I was like, oh, my God. So, and I don't know. I don't know why they did that. Wellbutrin, whatever you want to get on. you know I'm screaming. Minus TikTok.
00:50:42
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I don't know why they did that. I think the conspiracy theorist in me wants to say that they did it to um hide from the state of our nation, but then also give thanks to... like When the but owner was saying thank you to Donald Trump for bringing it back, I'm like, wow.
00:51:01
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but You know what mean? Like I thought Biden... President Trump and he was not officially sworn in yet. like He very much said President Trump. yeah So it seems like a political ploy brought to get allegedly by Elon Musk, Donald Trump, and the Singaporean um TikTok owner.
00:51:17
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So I don't really... That's also what I believe. i also believe. So what... it Yeah, I do feel like it was kind of... And Jared, you kind of touched on this during the run the list. I feel like you kind of talked about how it was...
00:51:31
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our current president basically you using his Wharton MBA to good use and figuring out how to, you know, continue to gain traction and gain ah newsworthy kind of buzz.
00:51:43
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I bet his approval rating went up that day. I bet it did. Yeah, that's fair. um I bet it did. her Try to start off on a good note. Yeah. Here is the thing about the American public. One, our attention spans are quite short.
00:51:59
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So you need short, fast videos. I mean, TikTok sometimes has long-form videos. But yeah basically, we need things like that to keep our attention. Then we need very tangible um like positives to people.
00:52:14
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So like back in the day, like when we got the stimulus checks, people were like, look, we got money. Donald Trump was in office. This is another example of that.
00:52:24
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Something was taken away. man Donald Trump put his name on the check. He know he he is a master of marketing. He know what to do.
00:52:35
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But now cost $6. And you give people, like Dumei was saying, this huge dopamine release back. Right. You got them on your side forever. People will use this in his line of things that he's done as as great things.
00:52:50
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He gave me money. He gave me back TikTok. And that's all he really needs to really get most of the American majority under his, you know, um to to support him. So I think...
00:53:03
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like if you like We go super conspiracy theorists. Usually we leave this to do maybe, but I'm going to get on it a little bit. it's another It's another iteration of basically getting the people to do what you want.
00:53:17
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And the thing is, even for very intelligent people that are on this podcast, we still some somewhat fall victim to it. And you cannot... And it's very difficult to like get away from that. So...
00:53:32
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yeah know it It was a very interesting time. It was very funny. The videos people were making before the TikTok was banned and then it really did go out. like They kind of ate that really, really bad to actually follow through with your word on a social media promise the time you said it was going to happen. right They ate that so bad.
00:53:52
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And then, yeah to only do it for 24 hours, was like, ooh, you ate even more. like You gave us a whole meal, the drama. loved it. The drama, the short-lived drama. It was very much living being soap opera. Yeah, I was i was shocked.
00:54:06
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I don't want to um take this down a negative route. Nope. I just want to, well, not OD negative. Not OD negative. I just want to paint a corollary, and like paint a little picture. Okay.
00:54:18
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It's just like a drug dealer that give you free drugs all the time. Yeah. And then say, today i ain't got none. e You can't have no more In fact it's not even I ain't got none today It's more so you can't have no more That's all that's it for life That's it for forever And in that moment you want it more Than you ever have before And you think You ain't ever gonna get it Then they give it back Trump Wanted those approval Ratings because In 2020 he was the one that Initiated the TikTok ban
00:54:58
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Correct. I remember that. yeah But the same person that started it to now be benefiting off of it at the end of an election cycle later. Talk about a long term plan that Playing chess, not checkers. Say what you will about him, man.
00:55:13
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Yeah. He could let a plan develop. He was the head of The Apprentice. He knows how to.
00:55:21
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Yeah. This man, this is definitely, this is a, we're actually shedding some, you know, positivity on our current president. Isn't that interesting, right? How the tide has changed. A salesman, a businessman. You know, I'm from Yeah. Yeah. I heard that one too. That was loud and clear to me. so you know ah The only other thing I will say, you know what I'm saying? This was ah this was a a saying by George Washington.
00:55:47
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huh George Washington said, hold the office of the president in the utmost in the highest regard right it is not something to be embellished it is not something to um allow to simply fall to the most popular celebrity of the time huh and i think a little bit of what we're seeing is what happens when you put a celebrity not a politician in the oval office
00:56:21
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mic drop
00:56:25
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and with that thank you so much for tuning into unscripted and be sure to tune in into our future conversations that we'll be having here on snma presents the lounge bye everyone thanks for coming
00:56:50
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Thank you.