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Closing the 2024 Portal
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The year of 2024 has been nothing short of an eventful year, to say the least! As we bid farewell to this chaotic year, we still have one more month to recap (the most wonderful time of the year!), which remained true to the general vibe of 2024. Join our RTL hosts as they discuss the United Healthcare CEO murder, the reversal of anesthesia coverage limitations by Blue Cross Blue Shield, Jay-Z SA allegations, social media in medicine, International Disabilities Day, bird flu and more!
TW: This episode contains themes of mental health, gun violence, and murder. The timestamp of this discussion is held from roughly 06:10-16:55.
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Introduction & Holiday Greetings
00:00:00
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The view expressed on his podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association. Happy Holidays, SNMA. I'm Anastasia Izzora. I'm one of your external affairs committees co-chair persons. And as we enter this holiday season, I just want you all to remember to take the time to take care of yourself and your health during the season and do whatever you have to to make sure that you're really being able to connect with yourself this year. As always, Happy New Year and remember that we're always going to be here for you.
00:00:27
Speaker
Hi, SNMA family. My name is Deondra Montgomery and I am the Vice Chair for the External Affairs Committee. And I want to take a moment to wish you all a joyful holiday season and a prosperous new year. And as we enter into the new year, I hope that we all can continue embodying the spirit of SNMA excellence in all we do. Hello, SNMA family. My name is Rebecca. I am the Vice Chair for External Affairs. I first want to wish you all happy holidays and I hope you guys are spending this time with family and friends and have a much needed break.
00:00:57
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Hi, SNMA family. My name is Sydney
Personal Milestones & Reflections
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Baltimore. I'm an EAC co-chair, and I just wanted to wish you a Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy Kwanzaa, and happy Hanukkah from me to you.
00:01:25
Speaker
Welcome to SNMA Presents to Lounge. Whether you're in the student lounge, doctor's lounge, or lounging around at home, get ready to join SNMA for meaningful conversations on topics affecting minorities in medicine and groups that often sit at the margins of healthcare. I'm student Dr. Isabella, and it is the most wonderful time of the year. Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, or even none of the above, we've entered the season of families coming together,
00:01:49
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gift-giving and possibly trying to stay warm and cozy if the weather outside is frightful, depending on where you're at. I know on the East Coast it is frightful, but if you're on the West Coast, you might not be going through that right now. But anyway, I'd like to kick off the show by asking all of you what has been the highlight of the year 2024 for you. I will start. So I think I would say that the highlight of this year for me has really been like getting to finish my residency interview season. I think that's been like a big milestone um to get to the point where I literally finished interviewing for my first job as a physician. I think it's crazy because when I started on this podcast,
00:02:26
Speaker
i saw on this podcast I was literally just starting med school. And so to just you know, be able to say that I literally finished my residency. um Yeah, my my residency interviews is like a huge thing. So I would say that's definitely been the highlight. And it's just nice to know that um I'm wrapping up this chapter of my life and getting on to the next one. So yeah, that's what I would say. But what about you guys?
00:02:50
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My name is Chinasa and I think the highlight for me this year was just having a birthday party. I've heard so so many stories of my parents telling me that they threw all these parties for me, especially the one year old party and two year old and whatever.
00:03:07
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But of course I don't remember any of those. So I i had a Gossip Girl theme party last week and it was just super fun and super cute. I really just loved seeing all my friends come together.
00:03:21
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and looking nice. So it's just a really nice way to end of the year. I'm pretty biased. I think December is the best time of the year because my birthday is December. But anyway. Very much the best time of the year. In December, gang, my birthday is the last day of this month. So yeah.
00:03:38
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But I'm a Capricorn. Wait, are you a Capricorn? Oh, you're sad. Yeah. So you just missed being the best Zodiac sign as well. No, we're just going to get into that.
00:03:52
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Love it. um Okay, all these cold weather people. I don't know what y'all are talking about. um How y'all doing? My name is aspiring student, Dr. Jared Jeffrey. um If I had to pin one thing down as my highlight for 2024, I would definitely say it would be um graduating with my master's degree.
00:04:12
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ah I graduated my undergrad in 2020, and that was you know the pandemic. And even though my college did do their best to give me a nice virtual graduation, and I had a nice you know graduation ceremony one year after, it was cool to have a dedicated, just for me, outdoor graduation that my parents could attend, close family members could attend. And you know I just got to do it like the the real the real classic way. you know It really like really felt like a
00:04:43
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Like I was a kid again, you know. Right. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. That's beautiful. Thank you. Thank you. um But without further ado. And I wish I had like a drum roll or something, but for the last make make up your own drum roll, you got it. You've got to do it on the on the table. Oh, oh, you right. You know what? i should actually Let's see if it picks.
Healthcare Incidents & Systemic Issues
00:05:06
Speaker
Okay, period, I can't. For the last time for 2024, everybody's favorite its segment, Run the List. For our preclinical students, running the patient list on awards allows the team to adjust pressing matters of the day. In this segment of the show, we'll be discussing some recent events in medicine and beyond affecting our communities and the populations we serve,
00:05:31
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And oh boy, do we have a doozy of a list to wrap out this year. ah We're not even gonna pretend that we're not gonna talk about it, but I do have to issue a disclaimer that there is a ah trigger warning for this first topic.
00:05:50
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There is discussion of mental health, there is a discussion of gun violence, and there is a discussion of murder. So if any of those things are sensitive topics to you, we will include a timestamp right here about where you can jump to for the end of the for the end of this conversation.
00:06:08
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um As we all know, well as most of us know as you may or may not have known United Healthcare care CEO was killed in broad daylight And the ah alleged perpetrator is a Penn State alumni, Luigi. Oh, no, no, no, not Penn State. Don't make them. You pen, you pen, um and baby. Double, double alum on top of that.
00:06:39
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Let's not get them. Let's not get this Are they the I forgot what the mascot is for pen are they oh the Quakers don't get the Quakers upset, okay? I'm sitting here as a current Quaker. Let's not let's not get Yes,
00:07:00
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oh yes he has his bachelor's and his master's from from you pen, yeah Okay. Okay. You pen alum. Apologies. Thank you for that correction. um So we're going to get into just a little bit about the background of the alleged perpetrator and dive into not too deep of a discussion, but more so just a regaling of the facts, if you will.
00:07:25
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So, um, Luigi is a current 26 year old. He's from a prominent family in Maryland, and he was actually one of the top of his class from a very elite school. He went on to graduate from Penn with a bachelor's and a master's in computer science. And from January to June of 2022, he lived at surf break co-living space at the edge of Turosity Waikiki in Honolulu. um And essentially while he was there, he learned that he had like severe back pain from childhood.
00:07:55
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and it interfered with many aspects of his life, including you know one of his favorite things that he liked to do, surfing. Mangione ended up leaving surf break to get surgery on the mainland, back in the mainland United States, and he would later return to Honolulu and have a rented apartment. An image posted to social media about that injury shows that it appears to be some kind of a,
00:08:20
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If you say like, so the image was an x-ray, right? And yeah it was metal rods and with multiple screws inserted into his lower spine. I think that's like the the C spine area.
00:08:32
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um That's the L. That's the lumbar spine. Oh, OK. That's yeah, it's closer to your neck. Mm hmm. Okay, L spine. Yeah, cervical. What am I thinking? L spine. Thank you so much. Thank you so much is so he had described the screws and rods in the spine. And essentially, his, uh, his landlord stops hearing from him, right? He doesn't hear from him for a while. He, you know, notices that the apartments kind of called vacant. And the next time that he hears about him is in the news where he is the
00:09:06
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I'll say soul suspect. He's the only person of interest. He's the only person that it is believed to have carried out this heinous act.
00:09:18
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um and ah He has currently been charged with first degree murder. What else do we got? ah First degree murder, second degree murder. um I think he also includes like a little forgery and, you know, possessing instruments of a crime because he did use some fake IDs and other stuff like that to help him carry out his um his escape.
00:09:42
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ah there has been a kind of a trickle down effect where other healthcare care CEOs are kind of feeling threatened and a little in danger by the rhetoric that Mangione carried out with his he had a manifesto. He had a a r Yeah, a manifesto. That's the best way you could put it. And essentially it is an i ideology ideology that kind of was supposed to explain the ah v ah the motives behind the actions, that the the things that led him to take action.
00:10:20
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It's a lot. We could really go forever, forever about... It's a lot. I feel like I'm talking a lot. Do you guys have anything to add? No, it's okay. I think you did a good job of highlighting some of the pertinent points of Mangione and what's been going on with this case of the CEO being killed in broad daylight.
00:10:43
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I think it's important to note that ah with this situation, i Luigi had been suffering, like you said, he'd been suffering from this lower back pain for a while since he was a child. And then the landlord came to new that know that when he was in Hawaii. um And then I guess there was also potential, I saw something circulating around about he lost potentially lost his grandparents, whether it was due to like something related to health insurance claims or something of that nature. but kind of like a snowball effect it seemed like and his mom also has um neuropathy as well. And that was just some things I found out on my own background reading. um However, I think the biggest thing um has to do with like this whole situation of Luigi coming from a very privileged background and then ultimately committing a huge, huge crime um that is linked to
00:11:36
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factors that affects the everyday person, um but especially us who's, you know, within medicine, we know how health insurance can play a ah ah ah huge barrier in people and their care that they're receiving. And so now it led to Luigi shooting this man. And there has been kind of, I would say, more praise for his actions, which is not typical or normal than what we're used to. Usually when someone kills somebody, you're not usually met with praise, but Luigi has been getting a lot of that. And so my I kind of want to know from you guys' perspective, um what do you think made Luigi, despite having this very luxurious life,
00:12:24
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being like kind of putting himself at the brink of a murder and then and essentially getting himself convicted of something that is very... I would say not something we would expect from someone of his pedigree. What do you guys think really led to him doing that?
00:12:40
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I think this is, I think this was definitely like a political move. Maybe just his way of demonstrating is it his way of, of, of creating advocacy around the issue. Because when I thought about it, though, his, his, um, grandma, grandma, someone like that also had health issues and he has health issues. He does come from a very well wall of family.
00:13:08
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um that they do have family, they do have quite some investments, especially in the real estate world. So considering his level of influence and just status, right someone who went to UPenn, I didn't think avoiding healthcare care at least however much UnitedHealthcare charges a month, say 300 would be a problem for him. So I wonder if this is just more so a call to action. um Unfortunately, so me the may the soul of the CEO rest in peace. Definitely didn't think it had to resort to this, but I think in general, America's healthcare system is very, very frustrating. And you can only imagine how many more people
00:13:54
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I have to struggle to to gain access, especially the working classes you alluded to earlier, Isabella. Right. Definitely. Before we go on, just to highlight the UnitedHealthcare CEO. um His name was Brian Thompson. He was a 50-year-old man. He leaves behind to mourn his wife and children.
00:14:16
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And ah he had worked for United for about 20 years before ascending the ladder to CEO. And he had worked in a plethora of arms within the company. And he was seeking, you know, he had several stances, several things, but he, one of his platforms was that he wanted to see more ease of access to healthcare. So just a little bit about him.
00:14:40
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Yeah, thank you for that. you know We definitely also want to make it known that on this podcast, we do not condone murder, violence of any form. um The SMA does not condone that. And so once again, we are just stating what has been transpiring in regards to the case of Luigi. And I will say that um when it comes to what we can do next in terms of what protections should hospitals implement post this action, um according to the chief healthcare executive.com,
00:15:08
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um They said, the first step in securing the executive suite should be conducting a threat assessment, including a site survey and open records research on the company. The goal is to evaluate the overall security of the site. Is there physical security presence? Are they armed or unarmed? Is there CCTV coverage? Are there fences around the exterior? Are there electronic access control and intrusion detection? Other suggested solutions such as cyber threat protection software, GPS trackers, and healthcare professionals phones, so they can be tracked if in danger and relationship with local law enforcement. so um Those are some things that they highlighted about what are ways the hospitals can try and mitigate against potential gun violence and other forms of violence. um And I think that ah in terms of resources for all that those who may be listening, um at the end of the day, we can argue that Luigi likely was suffering some from some level of mental health issues, not necessarily giving him a diagnosis, but more so um there was clearly some level of a disturbance in his mind that led him to
00:16:05
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treat to basically conduct a premeditated act of murder. um And so to our listeners, um if you may be struggling with mental health issues or if you have been exposed to any level of trauma or are recovering from trauma, um there are resources out there such as mentalhealthfirstaid.org. um Substance Abuse and Mental Health Administration has a couple of resources as well as the National Institute of Mental Health. So those are some things that you can tap into if um you find yourself in situations regarding um mental health. Okay, um while while we're on the topic, I definitely need to um throw in there that although this was, you know, heinous crime, unfortunate um incident, um could also could almost be called an act of domestic terrorism.
00:16:52
Speaker
We do have to talk about the tangible trickle downs that have come after it, right? So one of the first ones that I recall was that Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield um put out a statement almost immediately after the incident stating there are no longer limiting anesthesia coverage in some states. Do you guys think that that statement was related to the timing of the shooting?
00:17:16
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I absolutely think so because if they had your way, just considering how capitalist our society is, I think there's just this move towards increasing profits in general. And I guess for the listeners anesthesia is definitely is typically administered for as long as the procedure takes.
00:17:35
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and If you were to imagine going in for, I don't know, like a heart surgery, you can't really put a timestamp on that. It could take two hours if your anatomy is different, or I mean, if complications, if a complication were to arise and and they do arise, then it could take even longer than expected. So I think it's, it was quite ridiculous a ridiculous thought in the first place, I think.
00:17:58
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and good but a cap on that like hold on we're gonna go Even though even though he still got 20 minutes off in the surgery the anesthesia coverage ends here cut the cut the cut the purple fall like what we've got to wake this man up in the middle about so so So it's tough because I was actually talking about this with somebody at work. All they're saying is he can have all the anesthesia he needs. We're just not covering it. So it'll be coming out of the patient's pocket now. If the surgery goes on too long, something that, you know, you kind of have like very little control over something that is subject to so many variables, something that is subject to, you know,
00:18:39
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how the surgery may be going. We never know what kind of complications can happen in a surgery. I just think that that's kind of like a wild place to try to cut costs in terms of ah in terms of patients, you know?
00:18:55
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Right, right. Yeah, I definitely think that it goes, it ties into this whole aspect of medicine being a business and a corporation. And so because of that money does fuel a lot of the interventions that are done. And so I'm sorry, but anesthesia out of your pocket, maybe you won't be a debt for a long time.
00:19:16
Speaker
Do you know how much that costs? Oh my gosh. I don't know. I think that's wild. And I truly don't know what even led to them. Like what Shanao was saying, I don't even know what led to them having that idea. Like why would you put this on the table, right? What? So many ways you could have tried to get more money off of the human being in this world, you chose anesthesia coverage. I don't know. It just seems kind of like a low blow. But I will say that another question that comes to mind regarding this is, how do you guys feel like this could potentially impact surgeries and potentially even procedures being done correctly? Do you feel like the margin of error could increase?
00:20:02
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with this whole, we're not covering all of the anesthesia you want? So I don't think um it would affect the surgery at all. I think that you know a practicing physician knows the job that they have to do. yeah And a practicing physician is going to get the job done. They will not be rushed. They will not be told what to do, they are going to do the job in an effective manner. I think the only thing that's gonna be affected is the patient on the table.
00:20:37
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right ah the after effect of having that surgery. And you know, i like let's say for whatever reason, for all intents and purposes, life-saving surgery, right? Like I needed this surgery to survive, whatever it may be, kidney transplant, insurance companies are assuming, okay, kidney transplant, I don't know how long they take. Let's say four hours. Let's say it's supposed to take four hours,
00:21:00
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There's a
Insurance Coverage Controversies
00:21:01
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complication. We need to use more blood. ah Something didn't go right. And it went from four to six. So because it's only supposed to take four and it took six, that patient is now paying for two hours of anesthesia. Yeah. And that's not a decision that you can like really like say, oh, I'm going to decline the surgery then. Yeah.
00:21:23
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You know, so it's kind of like you're left in a spot. So I don't think any surgeon, I don't think any anesthesiologist is going to do a single thing differently. I think that the burden and that that's the term I'm going to use the burden of this decision would simply be the patients.
00:21:40
Speaker
I mean, even from a financial aspect, I don't even see how this is beneficial, quite frankly, because a lot of patients do have a lot of hesitation when it comes to anesthesia. It's scary thinking about going under and having surgeries. And there are a lot of elective surgeries that are done daily, cataract surgery being the top of the list. So I can only imagine this, like a backward spiral being patients say, well, you know what,
00:22:06
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No surgeries and then who makes money if there's no surgeries, right right? We need surgeries. Exactly. Yeah, I can definitely see that as well. Like, is it going to really lead to this financial gain that people are expecting? So yeah, and the crazy part too is that somebody was definitely vocal about how they felt when before they put a halt on ah not covering all of ah a person's potential anesthesia time. A woman by the name of Brianna Boston, who's based in Lakeland, Florida, she actually made threats to Blue Cross over the phone saying, delay, deny, depose. You're next. And we know where those three words came from, right? Those were the things that were apparently written on the bullet
00:22:48
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that claimed the life of the UnitedHealthcare CEO. When her claims were denied, she she did make that statement. um That woman definitely was charged, I believe she was charged with um threats to conduct a mass shooting or an act of terrorism. um And so she is currently facing the repercussions of that statement. So as you can see, Luigi's initial act has created definitely some level of impacts in our society outside of even just his initial his initial um intent.
00:23:22
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so yeah you know it So I'll i ah refer to history to try to make some sense out of all of this. We live in a capitalist society. A capitalist society is supposed to be fair trade economics and a general um consensus that the government and financial institutions are supposed to be a service for the people. The people should be before corporations. you know I feel like the United States has really topsy turvy things in a bit that has put corporations in such an advantageous place where they are squeezing the citizens to the point where
00:24:11
Speaker
the unrest is building a little bit, you know. The French Revolution started on the same kind of thing where capitalism was happening and there was such a divide between the rich and the poor that the poor were like, yo, we can't afford anything. And the rich are like, yo, make more money. And so it just came to the point where violence ensued, you know,
00:24:36
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um I really hope that I don't see anything like that coming of the United States. But I think that these are the seeds that we may be seeing repeat. you know And it's one of those things where if you don't know history, you're doomed to repeat it.
Political Candidates' Age Debate
00:24:51
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So I really do hope that like in the coming years, there is some kind of economic ah shift in the other direction. you know We never hear about it, but like deflationary measures by the government, like we always hear inflation, inflation, inflation.
00:25:05
Speaker
Deflation is a thing. It's possible. it's it's It's a concept that exists in economics. It's just not one that's practiced by our governments too much. Hopefully some deflationary tactics can be put into play that can strengthen or bolster the economic power of the average American and hopefully put some ease to our minds and our pockets. I mean, I don't want to go into politics, but I saw a video of Bernie Sanders responding to this and I was curious, I guess on your note about history and things taking a shift, do you all think that could give him some leverage maybe in the coming years when it comes to perhaps running again for, I don't know, presidency? I think Bernie would be too old by then.
00:25:59
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and man what he do to you who play who really should be who we really should be talking about his age just i also think um I also think our current president elect is too old for the office. james is too old I personally feel that if you are above the age that we look to people to retire at, then you should be on your way out of running the country and not into running it again. No, this is crazy. This is crazy work. No, that's just the general trends of the country.
00:26:33
Speaker
I do think you know what ah Bernie Sanders may have a seat in a cabinet that would be nice to see like a kind of like seat in a position that where he can like you know affect change that way
Public Allegations & Industry Practices
00:26:45
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I don't see it happening since he's not of the same political party as um the president elect but yeah Isabella what do you think?
00:26:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I agree. ah Bernie's old, um Trump is old, Biden's old, Jay-Z is old, and Jay-Z's age is not stopping him from, you know, he's still putting a little bit of pep in his stuff. He's still, he's still making sure that people know you're not about to, you're not about to talk dirt on my name.
00:27:15
Speaker
Now, um I will say, Jared, stop laughing. I will say, we do have to talk about this, um because this has been trending on, I'm sure, all of our timelines. Jay-Z has been filed for essaying a 13 year old in 1999.
00:27:36
Speaker
um So when this statement was – or basically when this – or let me not say accusation. When this case was brought against him by a lawyer by – yes, lawsuit was brought against him by the name of Lawyer Tony Busby. um Jay-Z kind of had a little bit of a crash-out moment. He pretty much put this very long statement on Roc Nation's social media pages, and mind you, Jay, this man, him and Beyoncé, they're... Look around everybody, I'm mute. like They're not talking. they're not They're not saying anything. And so basically, I think him not only speaking out and making a public statement, but then on top of that, it being so long-winded and almost being a little bit crass in a way, there wasn't really too much
00:28:20
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it it didn't really look palatable the way he said it. Like say, and I'll read like one the second line or the second stanza in the in his statement. No, sir, it had the opposite effect. It made me want made me want to expose you for the fraud that you are in a very public fashion. So no, I will not give you one red penny in all caps.
00:28:40
Speaker
like what is going on like this is this is rock nation ceo mr jz mr hova that we call him like this is supposed to be the the head chief of rap and this is the kind of statement he's he's making out against so a lawyer who I looked into it. It must be has a history of shakedowns. So there there is a a tactic and it's possible that this is a tactic. What you do is you bring a lawsuit against a powerful or wealthy individual.
00:29:19
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oh with a lot of money, right? Let's say I think the lawsuit was something to the tune of $40 million dollars or something like that. Jay-Z is a billionaire. $40 million, eh? It's not put a dent, but it's is's something, right? It's significant. Let's say Jay-Z chose to settle out of court, make this all go away before it hits news. Now Tony Busby didn't do much and he made $2 million. Let's say he settled for $2 million.
00:29:49
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Um, let's say you do this now, you run down a list of billionaires her and you just keep bringing ah lawsuits that have no foundation. Okay.
00:30:03
Speaker
You try to, you know, get get it public, get it publicized a bit, get some dirt out there on them. And in order to save face, they simply throw a little money away. Hope you go away. Right. Jay Z caught on to his habit, caught on to his ah his his trend of doing this. And he said.
00:30:25
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I'm not, I'm not biting. I'm not, I'm not one of the ones, right? Okay. i' that too said so so so notoon and take Let's take this to court. Let's have a real dragged out, dragged out case. Yeah. And, and we'll really see. I also think that Jay Z was, um,
00:30:46
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considering his stance as a family man when putting out this statement, because he didn't want too long, he didn't want too much time to pass with public speculation to circulate, considering that he has his wife and kids that are gonna be the real ones that are facing these. I have to answer these questions. He wasn't thinking about his wife and kids when he pulled up to the Mufasa premiere, a children's movie. What happened at the Mufasa premiere?
00:31:13
Speaker
He came like my thing is right at the time, right? The optics are looking great for him. He has this allegation against him. He has this create this statement that looks very crazy like on on ah his his the rock nation social media page and so You kind of have to lay low because at the end of the day, people are definitely going to lean towards the victim's statement. And so you showing up to a children's premiere and kind of like, you know, doing family photo ops kind of just looks like... you're capitalizing off of a moment that's supposed to be for Blue because, mind you, they're there because Blue is like – has a prominent role in that movie. He's taking these family photos, he's doing all these things knowing that there's a negative thing circulating about him, especially in regards to essaying a minor. This is not the time for you to be popping up and doing family photo ops
00:32:06
Speaker
at ah a movie premiere, especially when the focus is supposed to be on your daughter. I feel like because of all the media attention that was circulating around him, it kind of removed that attention that really was deserved for her. So I feel like that was kind of a little bit of a like an oversight on his part. I personally wouldn't have done that if I was in his shoes. um And then his mother-in-law, Miss Tina Knowles, went and liked the posts where they posted that Jay-Z showed up at that or so like someone had basically like Said what I'm essentially saying on a media ah social media post and it shows that like broke the story. Yeah Yes, it was like the shade rumors spirit one of these ones and she wouldn't liked it the mother-in-law You know what happened when they caught her? She wouldn't turn her on and said someone asked me Maybe someone hacked you to like a post before but I don't know what's going on yeah That that that one was pretty funny Oh
00:33:02
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you for the topic of mu fasa i me the photo op it was the for it was him copy of the go like how would you mean the rat kind of awkward to like as i and one distance between jayz and beyonce is i can't believe i did this any of this like yeah i didn't see that one not one bit of this all I'm thinking is my daughter was in is this blues first movie? I feel like it's the blues first movie and no it's our daughter's movie ah offer but okay but it' just that she has about a ummin roll in out And her dad is not at the movie premiere exactly that's what i was that is that if it's not true okay cool i'll see you at the movie but but Care about is if you showed up, that it okay and that's As a father, I'm showing up. I don't care what none of y'all paparazzi got going on. I don't care what what's the lawyer name? I don't care what Busby got going on. I'm there for my daughter.
00:34:03
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You know, having daddy problems like label, you know, my my Mufasa premiere daddy wasn't there. Yeah, I think, you know, I definitely I definitely think that's a very valid point in terms of like, this is just him showing up for his kid. It's unfortunate that the timeline. I mean, I can admit that.
00:34:21
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Yes, if we're seeing for that point, the timeline just wasn't great. But yeah, and I don't think that's probably that's probably Busby's plan. You know, he probably positioned the timing of this in a very strategic way where he knew Jay-Z was about to make a public appearance. And he was like, I boom, I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna put it out this morning and we're going to see him this afternoon. It's perfect. You know what I'm saying? it' it's So like I'm going to assume that you're on Busby's side. You don't think that there's any possible way that Jay-Z did this. Not not Busby side. I'm not on Busby side. ah Which letter you are right now? I'm getting confused. I am on the side of the facts. So I see the facts before I pick a side. However, I will put out there that I am personally not a fan of 20 plus year old lawsuits.
00:35:12
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ah Okay. I can agree to disagree with that because if that was the case, Diddy would not be behind bars um if we weren't a fan of that because Cassie technically should have been put out her stuff but because of other circumstances feeling like you're still are dependent on that person financially, career-wise, you don't know how to... you know, break free from that. And so this person maybe essentially isn't the same as Cassie, but there could be potential reasons that we don't know why she didn't come out with it sooner. I will say that, given that we know that Jay-Z has been a mago at a time where a lot of women, especially within hip-hop, were very much seen
00:35:51
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they weren't taken seriously in a lot of times where violence was done against them and people didn't really speak up for them because maybe saying, oh well, this is what they signed up for, this is what goes with the business, we kind of make excuses for bad behavior and I think that we have to kind of make sure that we're standing up for all women and I'm not trying to say that Jay-Z did or didn't do it, I don't know, it's alleged but I will say that I'm going to assume that a victim is likely telling the truth until proof shows otherwise. That's just where I stand. So I'm not trying to say where you stand is wrong, but I'm trying to kind of tell you my perspective. That makes no sense. So you're staying guilty until proven innocent. Exactly. When it comes to these kinds of allegations,
00:36:41
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i i Especially when it comes to like essay, I do believe guilty until proven innocent. That's just me personally, because I think that it takes a lot for a woman, especially to be coming against such a powerful module, who you know could likely have the resources to beat you in a case like that to me means that there has there likely could be some level of truth to it. Maybe there are details that are the myths because we do know that apparently a statement came out where they said that there were some discrepancies in like inconsistencies in her story when they went to go like talk to the dad um and stuff like that and kind of get his side. um Apparently, among the inconsistencies, they said the woman said her father picked her up after the alleged the alleged essay, but he says he doesn't recall that the woman also claimed she spoke to a celebrity at the after party where she said she was essay, but that celebrity said he was not in New York at the time. And images from that evening show Jay Z, whose real name is Sean Carter,
00:37:30
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and Diddy at a different location than the one the woman described, although their whereabouts for the entire evening are unclear. So there are some discrepancies. And I also heard that the woman actually does have autism. I don't know what kind of autism she has, but I did hear that as well. So, you know, who knows, right? But I will say that I think that something as big as SA is like we have to really take that seriously and and not, you know, that's that's kind of how I feel. But, you know, I agree. I agree that we should take it seriously.
00:37:59
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um I'm gonna take just the opposite stance innocent until proven guilty yeah are you still you like girl I for me I think I'm a bit I've been conflicted, right? Because I want to go with the facts. But let's be real, this is America. So I feel like it's more so made the best lawyer win at this point. Because I don't even I don't even know if there'll be real justice. It's more so is your lawyer is your lawyer doing to do right. and um But definitely, I feel like sexual issues of SA are a very, very serious issues. And they should be investigated thoroughly, especially given the times
00:38:54
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I think even now in 2024, there's still a lot of violence as there's done against women. And then at the same time, we do have a lot of women who are obviously not not truthful when it comes to these type of issues. ah But I think in in as a whole, it's very important to investigate these just so that we make sure that our community, our society is safer for women and victims can feel as though that they can also amplify your voices and make your case known.
00:39:24
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um And we can also change the narrative of the culture. Things like this shouldn't be happening. So, yeah I mean, let's see. May the best lawyer win. I don't know if that's something I should be saying, but everything. May the facts win. May the facts win. Let's hope. Well, but are they though, right? That's the question. Are the facts going to win? Because we know this is like, Chanas, this is America. So I don't know if the facts are going to win. I hope they do.
00:39:48
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um I hope, but I will say Drake's lawyer better win his case that he has against UMG because apparently he wants to accuse them of inflating the numbers on Spotify that Kendrick got in terms of how many streams he got.
00:40:06
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for his breakthrough summer bop diss track of the year, potentially of the of the decade song, Not Like Us. um So according to CBS News, Drake's company Frozen Moments filed a petition in New York court Monday accusing the streaming service Spotify and yeah UMG of conspiring to inflate the stream's of Kendrick Lamar's diss track, Not Like Us. um Basically, in this petition that he filed, um he said that he accused UMG and Spotify of engaging in, quote, a scheme to ensure Lamar's diss track, Not Like Us, broke through on multiple streaming platforms. He claimed UMG
00:40:43
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Use underhanded tactics to garner more listeners for the Lamar song on Spotify and radio stations, which resulted in Not Like Us breaking a few Spotify records, and landing at number one twice on the Billboard Top 100. UMG's schemes to artificially inflate the popularity of Not Like Us were motivated at least in part by the desire of executives at Interscope Records to maximize their own profits, as Drake's petition claims. He suspects UMG engaged in racketeering through bri bribery as well as deceptive business practices and false advertising as such,
00:41:10
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Drake asked the court to order the companies to hand over evidence related to his claims, otherwise known as pre-action discovery so he could file a legal complaint. This stanza just came from the USA today. um Guys, you know I'm a Drake stand down. I love Drake. I've wrote for Drake since I was in elementary school, since he was like this skinny kid from Canada who was in Young Money and rapping alongside Wayne and Nikki what is he is What is this guy doing right now? is Is this, like, Drake being truthful? Is this him just being a sore loser? Like, what is what is the meaning of this? Because I don't understand why he's fighting for this lawsuit. So.
00:42:03
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It's tough, right? I'm also a Drake fan. Hmm. But this one, but I'm also like a music lover and more importantly, a hip hop lover for this one. Yeah. Part of hip hop is the culture and part of the culture is just ah how do you say ah things like.
00:42:25
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the numbers, how you do with a record, how well, you know, a like, like, well, I'll say like the nature of a beef, right? The nature of a beef is track versus track. How does one track do against another, against the other, against another, right? Drake and Kendrick had their little window where they were both dropping songs back to back to back. Kendrick won. Kendrick won. Kendrick won that beef.
00:42:50
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and not like us, is still a bop. It's been going crazy in parties. It's been on the radio. DJ, it's not just Spotify is getting played. It's DJs playing it. It's it's going up. This is putting a very ah sour stamp on how you, ah how you're losing in this, ah in this rap beef. It's kinda like,
00:43:17
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Like if you if they were in the ring and they were boxing and Kendrick knocked them out and then Drake tried to pull out a gun and shoot him while his back was turned. You know what I'm saying? That's that's what it's akin to action wise because that's one hell of an analogy. Tell me take your take your L gracefully. And as Drake has been in multiple rap beefs in the past,
00:43:41
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yeah I think this might be the first one that he's like such a definitive loser in. right so Don't be a sore loser the first time you're a definitive loser, you know what I'm saying? right you You go in, you go and sue the conspiring against you for you to for you to lose. Don't get me wrong. Playlisting in general,
00:44:04
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has their own agenda. There are certain songs that playlists and autoplay, they want you to hear it. They want it to be higher. If the right executive pays the right amount of money, that song is going to get pushed to the top of your replay list, and you're just not going to be aware. It's going to be easier to find other songs. You ever have a song that you like that everybody else don't like, and it's just really hard to find on whatever Spotify, whatever service, and you got to make sure it's in your library?
00:44:32
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Things like that, you know what I'm saying? um right I just need Drake to not... ah don't Don't dampen the game by by going out like a like ah ah like a sore loser, you know what I'm saying? That's that's just it. Chanasa, what do you think?
00:44:49
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I mean, I feel like if that's the case, then this shouldn't be a problem, right? They could just go through the lawsuit.
00:44:58
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Let's see what it's about. So I'm actually curious to see what it's about and really if there are any discrepancies because we know For a fact that it's not like there's a big auditing system, not one that I know of anyway, any checks and balances. when it goes to the yeah also said now I don't know what Drake is talking about. maybe maybe from my own personal curiosity i' mean I'm actually curious to see so who the real winner is. And I like your stance. There is something here.
00:45:35
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I just wish you pointed it out when it was your songs at the top. I wish you pointed it out when you held the top 10 spots. I wish you pointed it out before you lost a rap beef. You know what I mean? Just that kind of thing.
00:45:52
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does that controversy is a part of music i mean that or a part of just things in in the pub uh what would i say things that happen on a public sphere level or things that happen especially within Yeah, things like they're popular.
Influencer Culture & Challenges
00:46:09
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Controversy is always just going to draw on the public's eye. like It's what we want to look at. That's what we drive off of. You can't control controversy. and and you know It's not just say within artist our music artists sphere, but even influencers go through controversy as well. and That happened with a very popular influencer, um beauty influencer, Jackie Aina. The Super 5 TikTok controversy, so
00:46:35
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Now, Jared, you don't know Jackie Aina, I'm assuming. I'm thinking that this might be something I will... Well, maybe he helps his friends put on makeup and stuff like that. Yeah, do you? Yeah. Why are you assuming that I wouldn't know Jackie Aina? I just want to clarify who knows what Jackie Aina is about. I know I do. I have no idea who that is. I have no idea who that is.
00:46:59
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Yeah, Jackie is a prominent beauty influencer. And she she does a lot of makeup videos on YouTube. Right. And she also portrays this black strong family as well. So in addition to the YouTube and and stuff like that. But the YouTube makeup is more more the spare that she's in. And she became the subject of criticism from the super five.
00:47:25
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All these new names, so essentially Super 5 are collective of TikTok creators. And I guess they're collective. And the group essentially mocked Ina for expressing discomfort with being called a quote unquote auntie. A term that she felt was dismissive, understandably so. And then Jackie Ina responded by blocking members of the Super 5 leading to further backlash and discussion about colorism.
00:47:51
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and respect within black the Black Creator community, influencers will it significant and but influences themselves will significant power in shaping public opinion and trends. So I guess whenever I saw this, I was curious to know if her blocking them was kind of petty, was it professional? What are y'all's thoughts on her blocking the so this quote unquote, super five group?
00:48:17
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I mean, I remember when this whole thing was going on, um so Jackie one time popped out with the shirt saying, oh, Jackie Aina 24 blocked me. Sometimes she made like a whole like platform off of it itco and kind of fed into the the controversy. But basically, um I did listen to... So I will say in regards to this whole controversy that's been going on, I did i listened to both Jackie Aina's TikTok video as well as the the what they call, quote unquote, the Supervive, which is really just...
00:48:47
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Jamila, who is the person that Jackie directly called out um in her video, she describes somebody who looks like kind of like Taraji P. Henson. And Jamila is the one who has been called that in the past. And then she also had another one of her friends who also was an influencer on that on their podcast episode where they pretty much addressed Jackie Aina's allegations made against, quote-unquote, the Super 5. She said that the Super 5 doesn't even really like exist for old, it's just Jamila sometimes creating content with other influencers and then they happen to like kind of run in the same circles and they continue to make content ah couple like more than one time, but not that they have this platform as like the Super 5. It's almost like the public created it rather than they themselves, which is what I've heard, um but pretty much in
00:49:32
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I think the most significant part is that Jamila pretty much played the quote-unquote videos that Jackie said was ah derogatory or offensive and once you played it, it didn't really seem to give off that energy. It seemed more so that she was kind of talking about what was already being said by the public and maybe doing it in a jokey way. But Jackie's point more so in her TikTok video was like, hey, if we're not friends, you can't really just make certain jokes as if, like, you know me, that kind of thing. And I think she was more so offended by the fact that, oh, like, this is somebody who I don't have a personal relationship with, so I just feel like you can't really make certain, you know, make certain jokes. And so she did block Jamila. um But the other one, Mecca, who was also on the
00:50:17
Speaker
podcast episode with Jamila discussing. It sounded like Maka did say certain things and she stood 10 toes on it. she didn't really She didn't really take back what she said. She didn't care. But Jamila was like, no, like we respect you as a influencer. Let's keep it like real. Jackie Aina has been a very pivotal um person in the influencing landscape. She did it when it wasn't even super popular, especially within beauty influencers. And so she is kind of like,
00:50:41
Speaker
a very um senior ah like a senior person in that role. The auntie thing I think is interesting in terms of like her not wanting to be called auntie because some people did have some comments about that like, oh, it's supposed to be like a term of supposed to be like a term of respect. or to desire But you know, but my thing is, listen, if somebody is want to be called auntie, leave them be you don't just like it's like let them people can create boundaries when they feel necessary. And I think it it makes me think, what really is the public owed from influencers? like you know we we We're currently interfacing with influencers all the time when we're on social media. We listen to people and they when they discuss their lives. And sometimes they can set boundaries like Jackie Aina did. And I think sometimes the public often expects transparency and accessibility. But really, should it should it really come at the expense of an influencer's mental well being? So I don't know, what do you guys really think
00:51:32
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What do you guys think the public's role is when it comes to how much they can demand from influencers and how much they share or don't share or what boundaries they can set or don't set? I don't think the influencers owe the public anything. and And this is my first time hearing in about the Super 5, but from following Jackie since 2016, you know, and I was trying to figure out how to do my makeup, ah which I still haven't figured out how to do, she has gone through several situations like this. So this isn't new. She's made videos addressing people who've just left her very ugly comments. um Some of them I just there's just no point in repeating them and you're just cruel. So I think this this scenario as well just highlights how influences should also be respected and it's easy to hide behind a laptop behind a screen and arrow things that you just
00:52:27
Speaker
normally wouldn't, right, if you're in a face-to-face situation with these people. So the fact that they are operating in a virtual space doesn't mean that they shouldn't, they're not worthy of compassion and consideration in our communication and interaction with them online. Right.
00:52:46
Speaker
I do think that um when it comes to influencers, it's now even transverse into medicine, and we have social media influencers within medicine. And I think it's done a lot to impact the way medicine is not only, I wouldn't say necessarily the way medicine is practiced, but maybe the way that people perceive medicine, the way the public perceives medicine, the way other people within medicine perceive medicine. um So I kind of just want to open up the conversation about just social media influencers in medicine.
00:53:16
Speaker
I would say there are certain lines of professionalism that we that exist as, a say, a physician when do you have a social media presence and you're practicing, like what is really appropriate versus inappropriate um and kind of what kind of boundaries need to be set. And so I do think that um when it comes to potential boundaries of what's fine versus not fine, we have to think about Okay, these are potential things that might be okay, right? We can share general health tips, we can engage in public health advocacy, we can discuss non-identifiable case studies, maybe even participate in professional discussions. But in terms of maybe the HIPAA guidelines, like not sharing any patient information, that's definitely a no-no. And I think there are
00:53:53
Speaker
times that that can be, the line can be towed, um making any kind of disparaging comments about colleagues or patients, or even promoting unproven medical products for profit. um Because I do think that there even has been this um this kind of message about are people just going into medicine for profit, not even just from practicing, but even from social media. There was a ah YouTube video that came out recently about someone by the name of Maggie, she's like a pre med influencer thing and she put out a video saying oh I'm leaving quote unquote I'm leaving medicine when in reality, she was just saying that she's not doing residency, she wants to continue to focus on her business of
00:54:29
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um mentoring or teaching pre-meds how to get into med school, which he charges $500 a course. So it's kind of like, you know, social media has really changed a lot of things within medicine. So I mean, from you guys' perspective, what do you think should should and should not be allowed to be shared or kind of used or so be used on social media when you are a physician?
00:54:54
Speaker
I think the list that you ran down was a pretty um ah pretty good one. Non-identifiable case studies, definitely nothing that you know violates HIPAA and non-proven medical practices. I think we could also throw on there ah that we don't want to point people down like you know any realm of ah prescriptions. you know We don't want to tell people, you should take this or you should take that. And you know that's something that you should consult your personal physician for.
00:55:21
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um right but more so just like i think it should steer towards lifestyle things you know i think it should be very general very like blanket things that uh that can apply to most people without a special circumstance you know what i'm saying
00:55:39
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right I mean, I think I hold a more conservative view, honestly. And I know that just having the internet is great because it's just created access in a different way. But I think that but i think that there still should be a level of professionalism, which I just don't feel certain spaces and platforms just yields for profession like medicine.
00:56:02
Speaker
um And maybe it could come up as an elitist view, but I just don't think I want to be seeing anything about my health on IG. I want to go to my physician and have this conversation in those spaces. I think it actually makes it even difficult for physicians to then do the work that they need to do within the limited um workspace that you're you're working in, whether that's time constraints due to insurance. If I have to spend 10 minutes already explaining why whatever you saw on Dr. TikTok is not real, then that also that also impedes my ability to also render good care and right inform you. I think it just creates more myths. So I personally don't feel like IG or other platforms should be a space that um
00:56:56
Speaker
that should be opened in that sense to medical professionals. Just use my own personal view of professionalism and things of that sort. Right. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I think that that's fair. I do think that there it's harder. Everything is on the internet these days. It's harder to really maintain a level of privacy, especially when someone's work is so public facing and so private. So I can definitely understand your view on that. I will say that I think being an influencer and influencing has potential benefits. um there was But then there's also this um understanding that people who are influencers do, I think, have a very important role in society in terms of kind of bridging the gap between
00:57:42
Speaker
what's going on maybe in more spaces where people in the public wouldn't otherwise know, and then actually the public now becoming aware of it. um Unfortunately, there was, sorry? No, my fault, you're just gonna keep going. No, you can go ahead. Have I i've have i been talking forever? na No, no, nothing and like that. Am I yappy?
00:58:08
Speaker
I was about to say it, but I was like, I'm going to relax. I'm glad you didn't want to listen to it. Yo, guys, next time we post a um ah ah the the the the preview for this episode, go to IG when you hear this, and let us know if y'all think Isabel will be yapping.
00:58:26
Speaker
Or if I be yapping. Because everybody needs a little blast. For her, a yapper. So out of the two of us, which one do you think is the true yapper? All I was going to say was that I think um as far as social media goes, like, yeah, I can um kind of co-sign with Chanasse a little bit and say that you know medical influencers, eh, maybe not so much. But you know what kind of influencer I think has been like really A1 these days?
00:58:55
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would took you away i yeah oh yeah yeah she has yeah she has i yeah Oh my gosh, I don't know why she has these black men in a choke hold, but you know what? I'm gonna support her because, you know, she's she's she's a young black woman doing her thing. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna speak negatively about that. But you know, it's crazy that you brought up cooking with Kaya.
00:59:17
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um Because, you know, food and how we eat and, you know, all those things matter because we all
Health Awareness & Public Health Issues
00:59:22
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eat. And unfortunately, there was an influencer by the name of Dominique Brown, who she decided to eat because, hey, she went to a holiday event. or When you go to a holiday event and there's food that that's something that you're going to want to do. Right. Unfortunately, yeah she died after experiencing an allergic reaction. Oh, my God. i despite the fact of letting that company who threw the holiday event know that she was allergic to, what she was allergic to. So according to the Washington Post, the tragic passing of Dominique Brown, a 34-year-old Disney influencer and co-founder of Black Girl Disney, has brought renewed attention to the critical importance of food allergy awareness and accommodation. Brown suffered a fatal allergic reaction at a holiday event in Los Angeles, reportedly after being assured that the food she consumed did not contain peanuts or known allergy. and
01:00:07
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or known allergen. I believe the name of the company was like brown like box something it was like I have to look at the name and and get the right name but it was pretty much like a like an event company or something of that nature and you know I think it's important to note that food allergies is actually considered a disability under under the American Disabilities Act and if like and because of that I think that people don't really understand how like important it is to honor somebody's allergy and make sure to make the necessary accommodations to not have the food there because it is literally a life-threatening
01:00:45
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ill like a life-threatening, that's not an illness, but like, you know a like ail yes, I would say an ailment. And you know because of that, this designation of food allergies being considered a disability under the eighty ah the ADA, a it requires public venues and employ employers to provide reasonable accommodations to in individuals with food allergies, ensuring their safety and inclusion. um While the Yeah, I was say, according to the US Department of Justice, um when it comes to this situation, um while the specifics of the event are still under investigation, the circumstances suggest that enhanced vigilance and adherence to food allergy protocols could have potentially not resulted in her situation of death. and so um But yeah, Jared, what were you going to say?
01:01:35
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um I was actually gonna ask if there was criminal charges to be filed against somebody. That was gonna be number one. And number two, it's not hard to put a cooked with peanuts sign on something. It's not even about like, you know, like, oh, I have an allergy so it can't be here. All you need to do is tell me what it contains. All you need to do is say, this might contain, like it might is fine enough. I'm not touching it. If it might contain it, might contain nuts. Thank you very much. I'll pass on this one.
01:02:05
Speaker
You know what I'm saying? like and And I just think that like the fact that they used an event venue, like they used a a food service preparation, somebody within, like somebody that went either from the party planning committee of the company or the preparation and quality control of who delivered the food, somebody has to be held accountable.
01:02:28
Speaker
somebody can do your online training somebody is good really this isn't funny right because it's like somebody died you know what i'm saying yeah because because like and these and these are like you know I'm not gonna call it simple, but these are like the details that are most pertinent in your field Yeah, that one is crazy to me that one it is crazy and mind you the company's called box lunch collective like box lunch Lunch is in your name Don't you know that lunch means that you have to know the allergies of certain lunches like you are literally a food
01:03:05
Speaker
Like food is in your name and you didn't even get that correctly i'm sorry but i'm shouting them out box lunch collective this this was the the company who. For whatever reason allow this. Slip up to happen that unfortunately very fatal slip up for dot miss dominique brown.
01:03:24
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Yeah, I'm curious to know what happened. They definitely would benefit from a root cause analysis to prevent this from happening. Because just thinking about the location, I was bedazzled. First of all, Los Angeles. Whenever I went to Los Angeles, I was like, look, I didn't even know it was possible to have these allergies on the menu.
01:03:46
Speaker
i z ah bla bla glu freee a f free Wait, no, that's actually so funny. You know, this is in Mississippi. Sorry, no, this is a B or like freaking like Montana. Like, you know, this is LA for God's sake. So I think is here to personally he no, no, literally, I think But you saying that is so funny to because it's like, I feel like people in L.A. are so body conscious and ah like health conscious, actually, I think is a better word. So that's why they have all these like a million and one accommodations typically where they have gluten free options, vegetarian, like vegan. They have all that, right? More say not compared to, say, some southern state. um And they still messed up and missed her allergy. So, so the more I think about this, the more I think
01:04:40
Speaker
that it could have been box lunch food code. Is that the name? of them I hope that's the name. yeah yeah Box lunch collective, yeah. okay Or it could have been someone one in her company didn't do their due diligence.
01:04:56
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I think that like it's more so on their end. where like so so So walk with me through the scenario for a minute. Let's say the staff of the lounge is having a holiday party and for all intents and purposes, I'm planning it and Isabella knows she has an allergy to
01:05:20
Speaker
chocolate, which would be crazy. chocolatelk perfect I would, I would literally, I would, I would want to go tomorrow. if That's a guy. I love chocolate. So let's say I'm in charge of the menu and I take everybody's stuff and there is a dish that's like, oh, it's like a croissant and it has the chocolate baked inside. And everybody's looking at everything. All these look delicious, whatever, whatever. Isabella asks me, Jared, does anything have chocolate? Oh no, Isabella, eat up girl is good.
01:05:53
Speaker
And you know, I might have forgotten that. Let's say the thing isn't chocolate. Let's say isn't Nutella. Let's say it's like a chocolate like substitute or whatever, but it's close enough. You know what I'm saying? Like I do extreme due diligence to make sure that even if I did have it, that it was labeled. You know what I'm saying? right I imagine.
01:06:13
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that the company, the Box Lunch Co, only made the food that they got ordered. And I imagine in this scenario, the falter was the party planning committee in her company. I'm a follower of this story. I'm umm a C. I'm a C. I mean, by the same time, too, for for, I guess, what it's worth and all the data that's collected in terms of the allergies that you have, I would also expect that someone will have an EpiPen. This could have been and have been squashed like yeah with an EpiPen. So that kind of holiday gathering with people who who you obviously take, I have so-and-so allergy. i'm I think it's also worthwhile to maybe make some sort of policy around
01:06:59
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having readilyly readily available heavy patent. having Yeah, having immediate immediate like what we call like let's say an emergency medicine like um like EMS or first aid kind of ready things like that. Exactly.
01:07:17
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So yeah, I think they messed up with that. um You know, I will say this this is a wake-up call for any company who or just people in general, whenever you're hosting a gathering or food is going to be present, always confirm and check if someone has allergies. Like, don't just assume um because this it it is truly a life-threatening ailment and it is a registered disability under the American Disability um act So now, um funny enough, we are actually in the month ah that has International Disabilities Day, which is December 3rd, so it did pass. um But each year, December actually marks the observance of International Day of Persons with Disabilities. And it it was actually established by the United Nations in 1992, which highlights the rights, inclusion, and well-being of individuals with disabilities worldwide. However, despite its significance, honestly, this day often passes unnoticed by the public. and
01:08:10
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um Unfortunately, awareness of International Disabilities Day does remain limited. Unlike other health or awareness days, it doesn't always receive that widespread attention in the media or public discourse. And I think that this lack ah visibility which kind of reflects some of these broader societal challenges such as stigma,
01:08:25
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lack of representation and just gaps in education about disabilities. And so um I think it's nice that we recognize um Miss Dominique Brown Mayher Sol, of course, rest in peace, as we've already stated. um And ah I think it's also good for us to highlight some just what what really is disability? What does it mean to be disabled, right? I think that's such a broad term. And there are so many examples of that. So there's ADHD, also the brought the whole name being attention deficit, hyperactivity disorder, learning disabilities, mobility disabilities, medical disabilities, physical disabilities, someone who has traumatic brain injury or post-traumatic stress disorder, you have visual impairments, you have people who are deaf or hard of hearing, concussions, autism spectrum disorders, and you know, these are just a few of a lot of ways that you can describe what a disability actually means. And so,
01:09:17
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terms of how do we really spread this awareness about the day, um it really just means we have to continue to be intentional about how we're going to continue to educate, engage and advocate about um people who have disabilities, whether it's people that we know or just people we may not even not people we don't know, but just knowing that it is a thing that people do deal with and kind of how can we continue to be advocates for them through social media campaigns, host hosting community events, educational outreach. um Yeah, and so I don't know what do you guys think that why do you guys in your personal opinion feel like this is not a day that a lot of us really know about honestly?
01:09:52
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Me personally, I think that you know, um people
01:09:58
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Without disabilities tend to like kind of overlook people with disabilities. um I think it's something easy to wipe to the back of your mind and kind of think like, oh, you guys are over there.
01:10:12
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And I'm over here, you know what I'm saying? right And at you know as I you know proceed through my daily life, I'm seeing that that's more and more of the wrong way to to go about things. I think that part of the reason that this ah this day exists is because what we should strive for is then as we said in the last in the last segment, making reasonable accommodations so that we can all and share and inhabit the same spaces together, whether that be a workspace, whether that be a place of entertainment, whether that be just public transportation, just being able to identify and be aware of a person's disabilities, you don't need to, you know,
01:10:52
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try to be everyone's doctor, but you do need to be able to consort yourself in a reasonable fashion and make a reasonable accommodation for somebody that is disabled or differently abled, I think. Beautifully said. Yeah.
01:11:07
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Oh, yeah, so, o yeah, great way to say it. And so um shout out to International Disabilities Day, which did pass, it was on December 3rd, but I hope that to all the listeners, when it comes ah the next year that you guys kind of maybe remember um all of our folks out there who are disabled or as Jared stated, differently abled and kind of making sure that we continue to be advocates for them.
01:11:31
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So guys as we get to the end of our run the list our long-winded run the list We've got to talk about yeah yeah ever Run the list we've got to talk about this ah bird flu thing that's going on ah right now in our country. um So it was reported a couple days ago that America's first severe case of bird flu was confirmed in Louisiana. So um according to CNN, a patient in Louisiana had been hospitalized with a severe case of H5N1 bird flu
01:12:05
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And the United or the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention um said that this was actually the first such case that has happened in our nation. The agency said Wednesday that the person was exposed to sick and dead birds in backyard flocks. This is the first US s bird ah bird flu case linked to a backyard flock.
01:12:23
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um This is a quote from Dr. Dimitri Daskalakis, who is the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC. He says, it is believed that the patient was reported by louisiana um it was it is believed that the patient that was reported by Louisiana had exposure to sick or dead birds on their property. They are not commercial poultry and there was no exposure to dairy cows or their related products.
01:12:45
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um According to state officials, um as a as it continues to say on CNN, the patient is experiencing severe respiratory illness related to H5N1, and they're currently being hospitalized in critical condition. The person is older than 65 and has underlying medical conditions that increase their risk of flu complications, um says the Louisiana Department of Health.
01:13:06
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So this virus they found is actually the same type that was found in recent human cases in Canada and Washington state, and it was detected in wild birds and poultry in the US. It's different from B3.13, which is the type that's detected in dairy cows and some poultry outbreaks in other cases in humans across the US. But bird flu has been linked with severe human illness and death in other countries, but no person to person spread has been detected. um So basically from the agency, the the the CDC's point of view, the case says that it doesn't change the CDC's overall assessment of the immediate risk to the public's health, ah to the public's health from H5N1 bird flu, which they believe still remains low. um But, you know, our good old governor in California, Governor Gavin Newsom, actually declared a state of emergency over the continued spread of bird flu in that state. I think the last thing I read was that they had about 30-something cases of bird flu um happening in California. And so Daskalasis
01:14:01
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um also continues and says that people work with or have recreational exposures to infected animals are at a higher risk of infection and it's extremely important that they follow CDC recommended precautions when around infected or potentially infected animals, a message that we will continue to magnify given recent cases. Yeah guys, this is um a little crazy. I mean, what are your thoughts about this? Do you guys think that there's any more precautions that need to be made about this outbreak? Do you think that we're good since they said that there's never been a case of person to person transmission? Like, what's kind of your thoughts surrounding this? I mean, we better be the first actually remember the first case that was in Nigeria back then. And I was so scared that super young and I'll just when we come out of the house and I see when I see um sorry,
01:14:51
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What am I trying to say? Yeah, when we come out and I see any birds like walking around, I just think, ooh, bird flu. I think it was actually a song that was put out the one bird flu song like that. There is a bird flu song. There is a bird flu song, really. I'm not just making this up. I remember I didn't eat chicken for a while. And you know, for Christmas, I like rice and stew and chicken. So this one, there's bird flu in Louisiana. Louisiana is next door to Texas. so right We may be eating fish for for Christmas.
01:15:24
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There's nothing wrong with a little salmon or tilapia. You know what I mean? Start my plant-based diet now. Um, all I'll say is I like that the severe case sounds like it was a very isolated incident. It sounds like, you know, that person through their own practices and turn to your own practice. They like, you know, they didn't travel and secure this this severe case. They didn't recently come back from a vacation. They didn't, ah you know, catch it on a subway or nothing. I think that's more scary. You know, I like that it was isolated to their own home. I hope that they make it for recovery. But that is very good public, very good news, public health wise, that
01:16:18
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that one severe case was there i call the cases in california the fact that it's like going up it's a little unsettling I'm sure that there's like, you know, probably a reason, probably stumbled upon a reason. Maybe we start vaccinating people for H5N1. Just a little bit, you know, slow the curve. But I don't think that this is any cause for nationwide attention. You know, California going out of their business. I think that the government. The state of state of emergency. use California good luck and Godspeed. That's what I heard. But hey know I'm not against it.
01:16:58
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but You know, I believe in Gavin Newsom Gavin Governor Newsom keep doing your thing Okay, I love that And Unfortunately, that's our show thank you so much for joining us for this episode of the lounge Let us know your thoughts about the discussions we had today or ask us a question for a chance to be featured on the show. You can email us at podcast at snma.org. Thank you guys so much for listening. Happy holidays to all of our beautiful The Lounge listeners and make sure to be sure to follow the SNMA on all our social media platforms to to stay up to date on upcoming events.
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