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Welcome to Unscripted! A series where we take our most high-yield Run The List conversations a step further. Our goal for each episode is to uncover our personal takes of previously discussed topics while highlighting diverse viewpoints that may be representative of our listeners. So sit back, relax, and get your tea ready as our hosts take you through their thoughts on some very trending topics!
In our very first episode of Unscripted, our newest hosts Dr. Dumebi, Samiza, and Chinasa continue our prior discussions surrounding Diddy, the Presidential Debate, the surgical mishap in Florida, and ERAS application season. We think you'll not only enjoy their banter, but be tempted to chime in with your own comments, too!
To share your thoughts on our discussions or if you have any questions to ask our hosts, email podcast@snma.org for a chance to be featured on the show!
Disclaimer: The opinions and views expressed on our podcast do not reflect the official stance of the Student National Medical Association.
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Podcast Disclaimer and Introduction
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The view expressed on his podcast represent only those of the hosts and do not represent the views of the Student National Medical Association. All right, and welcome to Unscripted, a series where we take our most high-yield, run-the-list conversations a step further. I'll roll for each episode is to uncover our personal takes on previous discussed topics while highlighting diverse viewpoints that may be representative of our listeners. So sit back, relax, and get your tea ready as our three hosts take you through their thoughts on some very trending topics.
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All righty.
Meet the Hosts and Guests
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I think it's best that we introduce ourselves. I feel like we're still new. I feel like people still need to get acclimated to us. You get what I'm saying? So I'll go first. I'm Dr. Dumeibi, Dumeibi Okocha. I am a first year OB-GYN resident, um currently on night. So forgive me. um It's a time, okay. And let's introduce our other hosts as well.
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Hi everybody. Good morning. My name's Samiza. I'm future Dr. Palmer. Come on. I like period. So I am a fourth year at Drexel and yeah, I'm applying into general surgery, but we'll get into that a little bit later. Just a little bit later. Just a little bit later, but you know, I'm really glad we're able to have this time together and I'm ready for us to start this new venture with you guys. So hopefully you guys like it. And here we go.
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Hey y'all, my name is Chinasa Anakaru and I'm a third year medical student from H-town. Yeah, so I go to the University of Houston and I'm super, super excited to be here with Samiza and to be hosting our first ever episode of Unscripted. So I'm really looking forward to chatting with you all on air.
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All right. So we had a lot of different topics throughout the different run the
Cultural Impact of Diddy's Arrest
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list. And I think we've narrowed it down to maybe four distinct ones that I feel like we can talk about for a while. So the one that's really been on my timeline is Diddy being arrested for the freakouts. Have you heard about that? You know, how could you not? I feel like literally my mom is in Africa and she knows about this. Like she was like, Samiza, did you hear about this? I'm like, girl, how did you hear about it?
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So basically, for those that don't know, I guess, so Sean Diddy Combs, also known as P Diddy, also known as all his other aliases, Puff Daddy. autos He has been indicted, I guess, is it the word indicted? I'm in her legal terms. He has been set for a hearing date.
00:02:51
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because of his federal sex crimes. So the hearing date is on May 5th, 2025, which exactly is the exact same day as the Met Gala, which is kind of crazy because the Met Gala has like this new theme right now about like, you know what I mean with like the, is it black excellence or something? Some type of black theme. And then he's going to be on trial that same day, which is also kind of unfortunate.
00:03:17
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I mean, obviously, Diddy has been a part of like black pul popular culture for what? Now, 30 years ongoing. um And as you were saying, like for the Met Gala, like there we're going to have a lot more black faces on as judges. And like you know you have very prominent figures that have sort of you know made their names for themselves at the Gala in the last couple of years, like Coleman Domingo and things of that nature. So just having that dichotomy is going to be like very weird and interesting. I think it's going to be very noticeable too. Yeah. And people are saying that this trial is going to last about three weeks and then the defense case will last about one week. And basically there's big, okay, so there's a bunch of different arguments going on. So one, or I guess not arguments, talk topics, right? So one is like Diddy getting bail, right? So he was arrested on September 6th and then he's arraigned the following day.
00:04:13
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yeah And then he pleaded an i guilty yeah he pleaded not guilty for the most part. And I think if I'm getting my facts correct, he like wanted to surrender his passports. He wanted to pay like 50 million or something to get out of jail and the judge essentially denied it.
00:04:32
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Yeah. And I think that just speaks to, I guess, sort of not only like, I guess their classification of him as like a flight risk, but also just like how heinous his crimes are. Like the fact that you're sort of giving them all of these options and he's still like being but um like remanded in jail for this long. I mean, I think it really speaks to the fact that like they're not going to let him go this time for sure.
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What I really been thinking about with this case is kind of like, I guess from reflection from like the last run the list was just kind of like, he has daughters, he has, you know, young girls, young impressionable girls who actually showed up to support him in court. I mean, I don't blame them. That's their father. So like I totally get it. But like he's facing serious charges, racketeering, which I need to Google what that even means, so sex trafficking, and then transportation to engage in prostitution. All while his children live under his roof. It's just kind of, it kind of like has me thinking about like,
00:05:39
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I guess, how can his brain split between being a father and bringing allegedly a pimp? I mean, if you can get your suit. OK, so I know that you were just saying that, um like, how can Diddy basically, you know, have these two different images where he's like sort of like the perfect father, but then also is accused of like all these crimes?
00:06:04
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And I think it just sort of takes me back to like you know people that we've seen in the media like before. um like What comes to mind for me is Kobe Bryant. like When I was little, like he had these similar accusations, but he was like you know just the star player of the Lakers. And you know I loved him, but I knew, like even as a child, like that was wrong. So it's like, what do you do when people that are, like I guess, important in our popular culture lives, like what do you do when they disappoint you? but I mean there's nothing really to do and I think as you like get older it's like people have sometimes these two sides of them and that's just like sort of the reality and we can't say like he didn't do it just because we think that he has this one image where he's like all good right? In general though
00:06:51
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This case I think has the potential to really take down a lot of people that are sort of at the pinnacle of black media just because Um, obviously Diddy has been popular for like almost going on three decades now or more than three decades. So yeah, I think I'm really just sort of surprised, not surprised, I'm definitely not surprised, but just sort of taken aback as to how much, um, this is going to have an impact like on our lives and how we, you know, really how the media is really going to be shaped.
00:07:28
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I mean, I feel like we just were always reminded that at the end of the day, you know, um I don't understand that you're very popular people that we hold in very high esteem, but they're human beings, you know, human beings, ah you know, fortunately, they they do whatever they said they do in the Bible, they they cheat, lie and kill and all that stuff, all that bad stuff. It's very, very unfortunate.
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I'm obviously not a good model for all on par allll up and coming youths but I think it's just a reminder that be careful of the people that you sort of like model yourself after because people are not perfect and you have your own imperfections and things like that.
Legal and Social Implications of the Case
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Um, for me, I, for me, it was the loop inequality for me, man. Costco said we are able to do that. That's actually impossible. All the lube and all the baby oil, all 1000 miles is just crazy. Yeah, I know. Costco was like, we did not participate in that whatsoever. I don't know how he purchased that money, but it was not through us.
00:08:42
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Yeah, no, but I mean, I think in general, like you're saying, like it just sort of shows you that sometimes we put people on these pedestals and they're not infallible. In fact, they really do like the worst type of things that we could really um like ever think. And then, you know, I think it sort of also goes back to just how impactful um sort of like the me too moment has been.
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um Just in general, since in like the last couple years, um basically in New York, um they had the New York's Adult Survivors Act, and that basically made sure that people who had been victims of sexual crimes, that they could file their lawsuits that occurred even decades ago,
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And I think that's why you're sort of seeing this resurgence of like people saying like, no, like I understand that it happened a long time ago, but like it is something that's still impacting me today. And that's why, you know, you're sort of having more of these people that we've sort of let slide for lack of a better word. And now like we're seeing sort of the implications from that. So you see people talking about like, Oh, like his security guard hurt me like in the nineties or, you know, early two thousands, but now we're still able to talk about it. So, I mean, I think it also just speaks to.
00:09:56
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like sort of the difference in the culture where like now we don't necessarily, well, we try not to victim blame as much. And now it's more like we're trying to listen to victims, but also just in general, like sort of the mountain of evidence that we're seeing against Diddy is just honestly like indescribable. Like you talked about like the Louvre and the the baby wall, but like, I mean, they're in this man's house and they're seizing electronic devices. Like,
00:10:24
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And I think, you know, we sort of went over this a little bit, but I mean, just the fact that he has been denied bail like two or three times, and he's tried to give up so much um just so that he could not be in jail, um I think sort of just speaks to how serious they think these crimes are.
00:10:44
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Um, and I know that also like his case is sort of like listed under a RICO case. And I mean, I think it's just like, it shows that like this is something that has been ongoing for a long time. It's something that's impacted a lot of people and will continue to impact like a large amount of people for sure. No, I agree. And I think for me, like when I think about it, I mean, you can only yeah know I feel like your imagination can really stretch very far when you think about what exactly these so-called freak-off parties really involve the audience. I think about like the population they've been targeted for these parties, and I mean i guess he who um other people in power who are also present at these functions. So I know for for for sure that you know there's a mountain, as you said, this mountain of evidence against Diddy. but
00:11:39
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I really am curious to see what else is out there, especially for the other people that were, I guess, co-accomplished at this point um or with him in organizing these.
00:11:55
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freak off parties. There's so much that there's so much, especially like on the media that just kills me. Like they're calling him loop daddy. And I'm like, yeah. And honestly, the most damning piece of evidence is the fact that there's a Simpsons episode about it. And we all know the Simpsons episodes don't lie. So conspiracy, conspiracy. Oh my God.
00:12:16
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But enough about Diddy and these freak-offs, you know, I mean, honestly, I think the biggest message from this is that, you know, sometimes, not sometimes, but a lot of the times as um like a community, as a black community, sometimes you have these, ah like females can be the victims of, you know, just such like intra-racial sexual violence and stuff and I think that this case is sort of highlighting and showing that like it's also time for people to shed a light on this and that it's important to you know just make sure that just because the victims don't necessarily look like the everyday victims that we see when we think of sexual assault or rape or anything like that, like those people deserve to have their stories heard as well. so
00:13:05
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At the end of the day, you know you can we can make all the jokes, but it's just important that you know we start listening to these victims. And that's sort of what this whole case is about at its core, for sure. 100%. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And freedom is not free. We take for granted look the freedom we have to walk around. right And I think that's really highlighted in in his efforts to just, in his efforts to avoid being in jail. ah Jail is no joke. Jail prison sentence, all of that, just not really having the freedom to, I wanna see the sunshine, I wanna see the sunrise, I wanna do whatever, I wanna breathe outside, I wanna be with whoever. um yeah that That can really be taken away from you in a matter of a second, a blink of an eye. So I think, yeah, we should just be reminded of
00:13:56
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just our humanity and just the essence of just being a good human, like being a good citizen and just being kind and being nice to our neighbors and people that are around us.
Political Debates: Kamala Harris vs Trump
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And and yeah, I mean, protect these victims. I'm really hoping that this continues to amplify your voices, and you know, so yeah.
00:14:22
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Yeah, but in speaking just about, you know just making sure that we you know hear women's voices and you know especially black women, I think we can transition to not necessari necessarily a lighter topic, but I guess a better topic. um But I think the first part person that we need to talk about or the most important black woman that we're talking about in the country right now is Kamala Harris. More specifically though, Kamala and Trump's debate that happened last month.
00:14:50
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Y'all, what do you have to say about what you saw on that stage? um I just feel like we're getting farther and farther from. Let me be nice. I feel like overall, if Trump gets reelected,
00:15:13
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It's going to be like a ruling of Nebuchadnezzar up in here, I think. Oh, oh she took a biblical. oh Sorry. You read the Bible, you know who Nebuchadnezzar is. um He is an anarchist. um Even the way he held on, like how he conducted himself from the debate, from the jump, just showed how he's going to conduct this country. and When he got on stage, he'd even shake um Vice President Harris's hand. She had to go up to him. And I just feel like if he was a real man, he would have gone up to her. But it's not about men or women, OK? It's about two presidential candidates. But what I'm saying is he's not even a man within himself. And I'm just saying that as my views, not the SNMA. OK? I also think he is a divisive figure in this country.
00:16:05
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um he, the way he talks about immigrants in this country, the way he talks about Kamala Harris's race and how she is biracial, how she is both Asian and Black, and how one day she chooses to be Asian and the next day she chooses to be Black. One day she woke up and she was Black. It just shows the ignorance in his comments. um yeah i'm I mean, I hope everyone has their Nigerian passports renewed because we might be taking more frequent trips. Because it's not better than... I get the idea. Yeah. So that's my two cents.
00:16:45
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I saw something online that was like, I'm going to reverse Jaffa in quotes. That might be us, reverse Jaffa. Yeah. um I think that with this upcoming election, it's important that if you have dual citizenship that you keep it, that you do what you need to do to keep it. um If Trump were to be elected. And the also the thing about it is,
00:17:10
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This project 2025 thing, I think that's something that I've been reading about more since the debate happened. um Basically, it's like a 1000 page manifesto of what the Republican Party, or I guess the Heritage Foundation, I don't want to the Republican Party um plans to do with um the country if Donald Trump were to be elected.
00:17:38
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Yeah, but basically, I think the the biggest thing that was, you know, that came out of those debates is that, well, it's not really the biggest thing because we all knew this before, but Trump is not a good debater, especially when he has an equally good debate opponent, or should I say not equally, but a significantly better debate opponent. And that was basically Like, you know, like usually, like pundits from each side are like, Oh, our candidate one, or, you know, like, our side one, like, literally nobody could even line like, Oh, no, like he literally got beat in this debate. So I think that was like the main thing that this show is like,
00:18:21
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You know, when we were younger, like I used to see debates and like obviously like I knew who my parents were supporting or whatever, but it never seemed like a like a joke. But like this was literally a joke. Like you had somebody who clearly had practice and then another person who was just ranting. just saying whateverever I don't know. his happened um No, it's just a fact. I think it was just like I think it was just the audacity to think that you want to rule the country and you just show up like unprepared, truly. Because white landed that same day. We're just here, just for vibes. You know, the country of 300 plus million people, okay.
00:19:00
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He was just trying to throw whatever. He was throwing a lot of things and seeing which one would stick to the wall, essentially. um And me personally, I wouldn't want a president that is constantly just so throwing out lies, throwing out garbage, and then seeing what sticks. And his, you know, his Trump supporters, his, I don't want to be rude, so I'm not going to be rude, but like his Trump supporters,
00:19:27
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who are just not just Republicans. I don't think it's a Republican issue. I think it's more about being a Trump supporter to the day you die, like to be a cult follower. And I think that's the problem because I've just never seen a presidential candidate that you know has this mass following, promotes propaganda and lies. like The last person I've heard about this was like Hitler. like If I'm being quite honest, I just don't And like the the project 2025 that he says allegedly that he's not a part of, but a lot of people in the previous Trump administration have co-signed what he's, or are our authors of this document. It's just really scary to me to see what is happening. So I'm just hoping that Harris can pull out a win. I've already submitted my absentee ballot. So i'm ready them my part I'm not just talking just to talk. I've done my part and I hope everyone does their part as well.
00:20:23
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Yeah, especially being in a battleground state, I really do need to get my my ballot together. So thank you for reminding me. Where are you located if you don't if you don't mind sharing? Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah. yeah we need I'm in North Carolina. Well, I voted for like in North Carolina, but I'm in Cincinnati right now. But and North Carolina was also like, ah I think, a swing state as well. Yeah.
00:20:47
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Well, I mean, we're in a very divisive time now. I have my very unpopular political views that I'm not going to get into ah when it comes to that kind of like person that we have, or the candidates we have rather, I'd say that we have, we have one that's very polarizing for sure. But what I'm most interested in is y'all's thoughts on the actual policies themselves. Like, for example, the economy, like what are some of y'all's thoughts on what they both proposed?
00:21:16
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Um, I can go first. Uh, I mean, I think it's, it's really hard to sort of like wade through the actual topics, right? Because it's just like, we get so caught up in like the fanfare and just like the craziness of both of the candidates. It's really hard to get down to the policies. Like I don't know, do maybe like if you feel the same way, but like, I don't know.
00:21:41
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I'm going to be honest. I don't know what they stand for. I know that according to like the project 2025 that which is not the maybe reviews of the Republican Party. So I don't want to like put that on them. But like project 2025 has talked about raising taxes for the middle class, um which is a no go for me considering that I'm a resident. I don't have I don't even have tax dollars to pay. I'm a sovereign citizen. So it's just like i I am a sovereign citizen. I'm sorry. like I can't do it. So I hope the economy gets better with whoever gets elected because this is some garbage right now. I go to Kroger and I'm spending $200 on some bell peppers. At least you've even got bell peppers. As in like, we use monument onion stuff. It's just...
00:22:33
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This yogurt I got was $4. I'm not supposed to. Wait, one yogurt was $4? OK, it was a pack. It was a pack. A pack of yogurt, yeah. My gut health is going to suffer because you guys can't get things straight in Washington. That's not crazy. Oh, yeah. In DC, good luck. Good luck.
00:22:53
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No, but I'm an eating yogurt. If I get milk, man, we're good. all All right. All right. All right. Hold on. There's some extra things in the yogurt that we need. It's important. That's true. The probiotics or whatever. True, true, true, true. The main thing that it's kind of like affecting me as like a resident OBGYN. It's just like the conflicting views on abortion and like what's happening with that. So if you guys saw Melania Trump um came out saying that she's pretty much for abortion and for women's rights and things like that, which is a stark contrast to the Republican party. Not saying again, all Republicans, but like the current platform that the Republicans are kind of upholding. um So I guess,
00:23:39
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In terms of the tea on that, what is what do you guys think Melania's strategy is with coming out, doing all these press interviews, directly opposing the Republican Party, in my opinion? Because you know she's barely with her husband on stage anyway. less I don't think she likes the man for being quite honest. But what do you guys views on millennia Melania stepping out and doing this?
00:24:03
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And Melanie has an independent independent party. I mean, I just feel like everybody else, she's just there for herself. like You know what I mean? like she's I don't know if this is her her media strategy for her own self, is trying to make a name for herself. you know But I feel like people are driven by all types of things. so Yeah. What'd you say earlier, sovereign state? That's what it's given.
00:24:29
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and sovereign citizen sovereign citizen yeah I think okay, you know, I love conspiracies. I think this is a way for I'm not even joking guys i's got to be i that this is the Way for Melania Trump to break away I think she knows something I think she knows that this election is not gonna by God's grace or who you know Whoever's grace that this election is not gonna go Trump's way, right? And there's gonna be a lot of you know
00:24:59
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Opposition from the Republican Party and I think she wants to separate herself as much from Donald Trump as possible Because she's trying to make her own path from that man. I don't think she wants to be with that man I don't think she likes that man. I don't she's physically her face like literally ah crinkles up every time she's around that man She came in hug the man. She can't man kisses her on the cheek. She's she's like she's repulsed so ah um and i'm not I'm saying this From the outside looking in, I feel bad for the woman. And I think that her doing this now is to distinctly separate herself from that man and forge her new path. I feel like that man has honestly tarnished her reputation, tarnished everything. So that's just my opinion on the matter, but it's all hearsay.
00:25:45
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Yeah, I mean, I think something that's interesting, though, like, even though we're saying this as part of a conspiracy theory type of situation, I think something that was really interesting and not the presidential debate between Kamala and Trump, but more so the vice presidential debate that happened between walls and um and Vance. I think Vance sort of did like a similar thing where like he sort of you know rode the middle for most of the debate topics and kind of made it seem like oh like you know I want to make sure I have a political path after this no matter what happens right like yeah not too far away from you know his running mate but not too close so that he sort of like blows up in his atmosphere so yeah I think it's a very interesting
00:26:30
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um stance that the party is sort of taking on. Yeah, and because you see the way he just ruined Pence will never work again in this country. And quite frankly, he's not going to work because he's not going to work because he's on it. Might as well be because I haven't seen him since. I haven't seen him since because look at what Trump has done and what will the Trump administration has done like and Pence no stuff too. So that's why he said that he would not be supporting Trump in this election. And I feel like Even Omarosa's been kind of silent too. She was real loud the first time. She's not so loud this time. um So they know stuff. And oh these politicians are dirty. I don't know. This is just so dirty to me. I don't even like to talk about it. But here we are.
00:27:14
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Such unnecessary slash unnecessary evil because like kind of like we're saying like we're feeling it in our everyday lives but like it's it's annoying to have to grapple with because like it doesn't really like make sense on a broader level but then we see it in the way that we get our groceries or you know do maybe like you're saying your job um so I don't know Politics is this thing that is always around. You don't really want to deal with it. It's not even an annoying ex. It's just there.
Medical Errors and Systemic Challenges in Healthcare
00:27:46
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But enough about these people. With more interesting topics, there will places more interesting in our country than Florida. All right? Florida man. Florida man. Florida man, right? Every time. The Florida man be out and about.
00:28:03
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So with that in mind, I think something that you know just continues to boggle my mind is how that Florida surgeon removes someone's liver.
00:28:15
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liveber let us sleep and First of all, what did he do in his anatomy class? because um was He was sleeping. He was sleeping. He was very much, he might've been dead. Who knows? Because he was sleeping. Imagine, you know, I was on my sub eyes this, you know, this summer and somebody pointed to a structure and they said, what's that? And I'm on the right side and I say something like Spleen. Hey God.
00:28:41
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They'll be like, sorry, she's not she's not fit. she's not from that But do want to say, so I talked about this on the run the list last time and there's a few statements I would like to, I want to give a little grace because just as I finished that run the list episode.
00:28:56
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um that next day I went to work and luckily I'm an intern so there's like five people checking my work but I made a mistake okay like I'm just gonna be honest I've made a mistake and as an OBGYN you know like with pregnancies which like early pregnancies it's important to diagnose things correctly to make sure that you're doing the right things for a certain patients and I misread the um practice bulletin and if I was a full-on attending, they I feel like it would have been revoked. And then by it, I mean my license because the mistake I would have made would have been terrible if people hadn't
00:29:39
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checked my work. I'm not going to say what the mistake is because it's not irrelevant, but what I'm saying is I feel like you need to give some people a little grace. But he's a grown man, okay? I'm an intern. like It's two different levels. different There's definitely a difference. Come on now. I just met the practice militant, okay? So there is a difference. However, he's in attending where no one is checking his work. I'm an intern where everyone's checking my work. So again, physicians make mistakes, costly mistakes. I still don't know if I would have ever confused the liver with the spleen. However, I think about the mistake I would have made and no one checked my work.
00:30:24
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because I'm new, listen, I'm new, so it's different, and I'm just glad that residency is four years and not one, because one is not enough. A lot of people would be scared in here. That's what I'm saying. No way. Yeah, okay. No, no, finish what you were saying. I just wanna, I was a little harsh on the last run of the list, and I just wanna, I don't wanna say I'm sorry, I'm not sorry, but I definitely get it.
00:30:51
Speaker
You feel the light. You feel the light. You feel the light. I get it. You want to sprinkle some grace today. Sprinkle the grace. I get it. Okay. Like I'm no saint. Okay. I get it. I wouldn't do that. thanks still But I get it. Okay.
00:31:08
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I mean, I get it, but I feel like the bigger issue was for me is not necessarily him making that mistake, but it's the fact that like Florida is just Florida. you like I don't know what goes on there, but these things are just not unheard of for Florida. ah So I think it just speaks to a greater problem there with the institution itself. And I feel like what really advances the field of medicine is that we we you know We take a ah step back and we see what we've been doing, we see what what doesn't work, and we figure out how to move forward.
00:31:45
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But um I mean, even like Atul Gawande, for example, has written the checklist manifesto, just a common or proceed like protocol that I'd say that helps prevent things like this, whether it's Oh, yeah, I agree to this procedure. Is it left? Is it right? Just stuff like that. So it makes me wonder what exactly went on here. Well, we just you know, we just kind of like get get whatever out and just cash out. Like what are we doing? in Florida. you know I heard Florida has a high um malpractice insurance like cost for physicians. like I heard it's pretty expensive to be a physician in Florida in general, especially in the surgical specialties. That's just what I've heard. um I don't know what's going on in Florida. you know Trump is from Florida. you know Maybe there's some connection there in terms of- All roads.
00:32:35
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yeah What do you think as a budding general surgeon about this case with the liver? like It's just so interesting. Like I was trying to read more about like, how do you make this mistake? Because this is something that's very much so you guys remember your clerkships if you've taken it. It's just so embedded and sort of like what Chinasa was saying with the checklist, like.
00:32:55
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The right side's the right side or left side's the right side. This is something that we do in the time out. There's so many things. Physical mark, yeah. Exactly. There's so many checks and balances to make sure that something like this doesn't happen. so I was like reading you know more about the article and they were like, yeah, his spleen was like super big. But I'm like, you don' make be times ten ru that so does like what they try to saying And I was like, okay, I'm, you know, maybe I can go with you. It's a little far back, but you know, then I saw that he cut the vasculature of the, of the, um of the liver.
00:33:35
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Yeah, look, the portal. Very distinct. Porter Hepatis, how do you transect that yeah and not notice? You know what I'm saying? like it I don't know. i It's very troubling to me. um But I think also what might be the quiet part that's not being said out loud is that there must be some issue with like hierarchy or some sort of toxicity in the system because there's, I know somebody in that room at that table saw that a mistake was happening. but the not insane yeah That is honestly probably the more dangerous part. yeah um You know, I think, you know, going into this field, it's something that, you know,
00:34:26
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I think has gotten definitely gotten a lot better um in terms of making sure that you know everybody feels as though they have a right to say something um in the OR. And I think you know in my personal experience, I've been able to see that. But it's clear that you know some places have a lot more work to do. So I think that's the better part um of the story that we need to see. like Clearly, somebody in that OR didn't feel like they needed to say something. or or that you know their suggestion would have been taken seriously and unfortunately had dire consequences. So I think it just speaks to the fact that you know we're trying to make progress in the field of general surgery and obviously there's a little bit more work that needs to be done. I think that's a very palatable way to put it. Listen I mean I'm interested in surgery as well so
00:35:17
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I don't know that I'm going to really say everything out loud here, but the thing that really worries me is the culture of the OR of medicine and especially surgery. It's just is plain old toxic and it just needs to it needs to change tomorrow. like Not in 2030, but today.
00:35:38
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right Yeah, and we need we need a psychologically safe environment where people can learn without feeling like you're stupid I mean, I just finished surgical rotation and obviously I'm not gonna make names here But I still witness people like throwing things in the OR shouting at people stuff like that's crazy well Yeah, it doesn't make anybody comfortable to say oh By the way, I mean, are we sure what we're doing? How are you sure somebody's bringing down your neck and, you know, yelling at you? Just the egos and surgery, like that whole culture of medical or surgical training, rather, I feel like it needs to shift. And we definitely need checks and balances for sure in Florida because they are, they are, they are something else. That's for sure. Yeah, even as a resident, I feel like
00:36:24
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Like obviously I chose to do OBGYN because part of my love is surgery, right? But it's just almost like you have, in order to learn, you have to be in a welcoming environment in the OR. In order to feel like you can speak up, like you have the leader, quote unquote leader of the OR is the surgeon, right? And I feel like it's up to like the surgeon to make everyone feel comfortable in my opinion, because of fortunately there's still the hierarchy in medicine. So like even me as like a resident, like,
00:36:53
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When I'm setting up the OR, I try to like involve the medical students, tell them about the case, make sure. Because like I'm still new to the OR. like I'm only like three months in. But like I know how I felt as a med student in the ah OR and how awkward I felt. And like I really want to be here. I really want to learn. But I don't even know where to start. I i feel like I can't say anything. I feel like they're going to yell at me if I try to do this.
00:37:15
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so like I guess kind of keeping that in mind, like in this case, like people I feel like, like I said in the previous one, like even the scrub tech probably knew that was the liver. like they're not Everyone kind of knows what the liver is, essentially, especially if you're in the OR seeing the same cases um kind of over and over again.
00:37:35
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um So I feel like people did not have a safe space to speak for some reason, um whether it' there's a resident on or a PA or surgical c assist, whatever. So I think just keeping that in mind, since we're all budding surgeons here, that we just make sure that we make the OR comfortable for everyone as we move up in the ranks, just to make sure that these surgical mistakes don't happen on our watch. Because I'll be darned if I take the wrong ovary out. I'll just tell you that. like That would be my worst nightmare. Or you know what I mean? So just making sure that everyone is on the same page, taking time out seriously, and you know making a comfortable environment where people can ask questions, learn, and not having an ego to where no one can question you. Because anyone can be questioned when it comes to somebody's life. Because I think it's just a mistake.
00:38:23
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No, I agree. And at the end of the day, I mean, whether you're doing procedure or you're doing surgery, you're doing whatever you're doing, these are patients, these are human beings, you know, that are on the table. And I think we kind of forget that. Like that's someone's mother, that's someone's father, boyfriend, whatever the case is.
00:38:41
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So we have to think about these things. Just coming up with my surgical rotation, like I think what what I'm now really drawn to about surgery is not even the surgery itself, but really like master the master the mastering part of the craft of medicine that involves you understanding how to actually prevent post-operative complications because they do occur and they will occur. But what what what are your what what are your plans? for when they do occur to make sure that your patient has a good outcome. I think that's what medicine is about, but I feel like sometimes I don't know if we forget about it or it just um so lost in the nitty-gritty and the technicality of it that we just really forget that somebody's life matters now, somebody's mom's on the table.
00:39:29
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Yeah, I think also the problem is the system doesn't pay us to care, if I'm being quite honest. like The way they fill up our clinics, fill up our ORs, and it's like, okay, turnover time for the ORs, 10 minutes, put it in the next case. Oh, you only have 15 minutes to see this patient in clinic. They don't pay us to care.
00:39:45
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quite frankly. So you have to develop that within yourself. like Even as a resident, I'm like going between room to room, and when I'm in one delivery versus next delivery, I also have to remember, like though this is like my second delivery tonight, it's the first time I'm really encountering this patient, and it's their first baby. You know what I mean? It's just like treating every encounter as a new encounter, even though it's our routine and our normal.
00:40:07
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Sometimes I have to like ground myself. Like I can spend five more minutes in the morning talking to this G1 mom who just gave birth about blah, blah. Like I don't have to rush through rounds or rush through or give myself more time. You know what I mean? Especially like our patient to, you know, speak a different language. You have to use an interpreter and things like that. Like there's just so many things, like they don't pay us to care about those things. So we have to develop that within ourselves and create time within our schedule. So that's just what I'll say on that.
00:40:39
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Yeah. No, but that's I think that's the biggest point. like How do we make sure like in medicine when it can get really hard to make sure that we're doing our job adequately, but it's just um it's just so difficult to? How do we make sure that we don't like let our fatigue or our you know the experiences that we've had thus far like cloud our judgment because I think that's another component of it too, right? Like with this guy, like he's probably done so many surgeries. He's like, Oh, I know where I'm going. I know what I'm doing. And it's just you have to make sure that you sort of give everybody the space that this is a new patient, right? Like kind of like what you're saying to maybe and we just have to make sure that we
00:41:26
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I don't know how because it's very difficult and I'm not in you know um residency training yet, but you sort of don't get jaded that quickly because I feel sometimes, like especially when you're further into your career, it's very easy to be that way, but we just have to make sure that we're constantly sort of you know holding ourselves to a higher standard. so You know,
Navigating Medical Residency Applications
00:41:48
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sure. I really appreciated that resident perspective to maybe because even thinking about it now, like, I'm just really soaking up the time I have in medicine. Because when I'm telling you like patients and I'm able to like, you know, like, yeah, thirty exactly.
00:42:07
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But residency, you don't get that, unfortunately, as much as you love to. You're covering the whole floor. You've got time for that. Speaking of residency, and I don't want to be a Debbie Downer, e-RAS season is the mind of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Please, please, please. E-RAS season is the mind, guys. And I think apps have already been submitted. Not submitted or turning back, but I would encourage you to keep moving forward, because that's probably the better option.
00:42:33
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um
00:42:36
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i like a loaded comment right yeah I'm just saying like, okay, so right now I'm on nights and residency has never been easy for ever again. I'm only been three months in. I started on gynoc for two blocks. Then I was at benign gynecology for a month and now I'm on obstetrics nights, which is delivering babies in the nighttime. And I'm no bat. I'm no raccoon.
00:43:00
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I am no walrus. I don't stay up at night. I don't walrus are not going to or not, but let me tell you, most I'm going to be honest. I don't stay up at night. Like my circadian rhythm is off entirely. I'm eating four meals at 2 a.m. I'm going to sleep at 10 a.m. um But residency season guys so um you apply like what's what's going on right now what what phase are we and are we getting the invites now are we kind of in the waiting period what's going on. Yeah so i did apply.
00:43:36
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Yes, Jen Serge, please. ah match twenty five match a Hashtag match 2025. Very important. Hashtag me. Hashtag match gods. Hashtag. Yes, please. Hashtag Beyonce, please. We need a job. No, but I did apply. Honestly,
00:43:53
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It's like you're right back into, you know, Amcast and all of it again. And, you know, I have got some interviews, thankfully. Thank you. But for us, um I think the like date that should really be the the time the thing to look for is the 23rd. So, you know, just crossing my fingers, hoping for the best. 23rd of that March?
00:44:20
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Please, and since October. If they waited they waited till then, I literally would lose my age. Oh, I know what's happening on the 23rd of October. yeah for um for For interview invites. Oh, like what all at the Universal Invite Day. p a Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, we gotta have it. But I think you know what's just so interesting about this whole um this whole like time is just like you know as a first-gen med student I think there's just you know so many new things that like you don't know about and this sort of like
00:44:57
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shines a big light on that. For surgery this year, they changed the number of signals, but honestly, what is a signal? Some specialties have tear signals. Some are gold, some are silver. For OB-GYN, they started a whole new residency app. They did a whole new website. Exactly. The whole new thing, yeah.
00:45:18
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I don't know. i I guess I want to hear from the perspective of somebody that sort of just went through this, right? And then, you know, chana you can, you know, sort of glean like, what do you think you do in the future? um just Like, I guess, I don't know if you guys have other doctors in your family, but like, how do you navigate, you know, learning a new process um in this, you know, already crazy um path that we have towards becoming a doctor?
00:45:44
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Yeah. So like my dad is a physician. He matched from um Nigeria. So he was an IMG in I think 1997 and he's an internal medicine physician. And I still find it very challenging because I'm the I'm like the first born. I'm also like one of the older cousins, um the first of my cousins to get a doctorate degree. So I didn't really, I had my dad to look up to obviously, but it's a completely different process from when he did in 1997, from when I did it now. I mean, also I didn't apply internal medicine. I applied a surgical specialty, um which no one in my family, my dad's the only doctor outside of me. So like, I guess that was kind of different because we navigated a little bit differently in terms of like, like when I told my dad, like how many programs I was applying to, he was like, why? why you that i but Even as IMG, I didn't apply to that many, but like there like it was different times and things like that. and I just remember having so much anxiety during the interview season, just not because of the interview itself. like I can talk for days. It was more about
00:46:45
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did they, I wouldn't even worry about if they liked me or not. I was just hoping that the match worked out in my favor. Like, can I match, you know? Yeah, like, more about I just need a match. Period. Like, I was like, I don't want the algorithm to mess up my chances. You know, how sometimes they're like, oh, like people get lost in the sauce. And there are people in my class who excellent candidates got interviews at top institutions didn't match because you know the algorithm was just not in their favor, you know what I mean? So I was just scared that was going to happen to me. um So I understand the anxiety and the fear and making sure that you perform. And I would just say play to your strengths, honestly. like um I feel like I did pretty well in most of my interviews and I was actually pretty casual, not like laying like this, but I was pretty casual in a lot of my interviews. I didn't use jargon.
00:47:32
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I just talked like myself and I was like, any program that likes me is gonna like me for who I am. You know what I mean? And not what I'm trying to appear to be. So a lot of my interviews, I didn't talk about medicine. I didn't talk about research. I talked about the latest thing on TikTok and my conspiracy theories. That's what I talked about. And we're back, ladies and gentlemen. I had a program that loves my conspiracy theories. And they're like, maybe you're wrong, but that's okay. We like you for you. You know what I mean? You're off, but it's okay.
00:48:01
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ah show came sweetie Yeah, so I would just say like don't it's not by force like yes match it isn't you might find like I really want to match at my number one you end up matching out your number four your number five but data shows that after like the first couple months of residency and the the the happiness between being at your number one and being at your number four, it's around the same. I'm truly a believer that you match where you're supposed to match at, so. Comforting words. That's what I think. No, you're and next. You're next, Amisa. You were with Sherri. Just looking caught up in all the, like, I remember, like,
00:48:37
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i I mean, I discuss with my closest friends about my interviews, but try not to compare with like other applicants, I would say, because everyone's so different. Some people need six interviews to match. Some people need 12. Some people need 15. I know what the data says. I think for GenSurg, it's like,
00:48:54
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12 or something like that. I think OB-GYN was like, I think for a 90% chance match, you need like nine interviews. So like everyone is so different. And I remember my Pete's friends, they were doing like 23, like they're cranking out interviews in Pete's because the demand is just so much different than the surgical specialties, you know? So don't compare the numbers and stuff. Like you only need one if I'm being honest, and you just need to sell that one. Yep.
00:49:23
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you are totally right. And I just got to keep telling myself that. So, you know, I'm just going to get real comfortable with my Bible. Yes. The anxiety will eat you up alive for sure. I remember the night before. Sorry. I remember the night before the Monday of the match week and I was at church and I remember my boyfriend, he was just I was crying in church because I was so stressed out. And he was like, stop crying. It's OK. And I was like, I like the anxiety was eating me alive. And then so finding out that I matched was like a super big relief. And I just like, wow, I wasted my half of my fourth year being anxious. So just, you know, do what you love. Go on vacations if you have time. And, you know, it's going to be anxiety provoking. I'm not going to tell you don't have anxiety because that's not possible. Yeah. um But just like lean into it. Take every interview like.
00:50:17
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you know, just give your bets best best self forward, I would say. Yeah. going to say. Yeah, go ahead. Would you like have to move or anything like that? Oh, like for residency? Yeah. Like I went to med school in Kansas city and now I'm in residency for Cincinnati. Um, so I moved, um, like a month before residency started, um, after match, I would say once you match, get quick and like find an apartment. Like I found an apartment within two weeks after I matched, signed the lease and everything because the hot areas will fill up. So it's just make sure that once you know where you match, whether you're happy or sad, you get on your zoom and you get on. the
00:50:56
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um here's that Yeah, get on apartments.com and find an apartment quickly. i Go down there, find one, sign it, because it gets so competitive when it comes to that. Yeah. like Even when I was like doing a ways and stuff, like the struggle to find housing in some of the cities, like I was like, oh my God. like If this is any indication of how residency is going to be, like that's super scary. You gotta get on it.
00:51:21
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yeah yeah know Yeah, no where you know what? i'm just you know I'm so happy that I was able to share this moment with you guys. I just gave you some good advice. um And I don't know, it's a scary process. But Chinasa, I'm sure you'll do amazing next year when it's your turn. Clearly, do maybe you're in the space where you need to be. um And yeah, just continue praying for me, please. yes that right It's already been sealed, sealed and dusty. Amen, amen.
00:51:52
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I know, but I mean, just the whole like, you know, the whole process is just crazy. And I think, you know, as time goes on, especially with like all the changes that have happened, like step one, going past fail, step two, mattering a little bit more and, you know, just signals and how that's changing. I think, you know, the anxiety will still be the same no matter what season it is. But people will always find like new things to be anxious about. So you just got to put your best foot forward, be the best candidate that you can be in.
00:52:21
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you know, at the end of the day, hopefully it just all works out. That's true. Is there like a geographic location that you're interested in, Samisa? For me personally, no. um That's just because like, you know, I moved around a lot as a kid. ah So fun fact about me, I've been to like 19 schools or so in my life oh wow and moved around like a whole bunch. So like the The hometown question is always like very interesting for me, so that was my reasoning behind not wanting a geographic preference, but you know studies kind of go like either way on in some places. like If you apply to these places and you have like a geographic preference, like
00:53:01
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It could be helpful, but if you apply to a bunch of places, and you don't necessarily mention them as a geographic preference, it could be harmful. So I mean, there's a lot of aspects to the application that you sort of need. You got to play the game. Exactly. You need to be very careful. And you're always going to win the game, and you just got to be OK with that. Exactly. You just have to be. So there's some people that didn't get interviews. There's some people at places that didn't signal. I didn't even geographically signal them.
00:53:26
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but they found my application and I interviewed, you know what I mean? So exactly you just got to play the game. Yeah. And overall you put your best foot forward and somebody's going to see that. Like we've gone through all of these, you know, trials and tribulations. Literally.
00:53:47
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to get through medical school and you know no matter what the journey is or has been for other people um you sort of just gotta be able to you know sell yourself right and like this is why i am here and this is why i will be a good part of your program and you know sort of you know just showcase that so i'm excited it's scary but it's super exciting because like you know these are the things we dreamed of You know, we know we have Philly. Just pray for times like this. like ah um But yeah, no, like it's just, you know, this is this is it. Right. And it's time to step up. it's This is the big show. So yes, this is the next step. Yeah. watchinging You guys are all the best.
00:54:31
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Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in into Unscripted and be sure to tune into our future conversations that we'll be having here on SMA Presents the Lounge. Thank you so much for listening in. Yeah. Bye, guys. It was great to see you again ah and you know see you on the next episode. Yes, yes. Bye.