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The Cryptic Archives: Secret Government Projects
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Happy Friday and Happy December Cryptic Crew! So happy you could join us for another adventure, we hope you love conspiracies as much as we do. This week we bring you an oldie but a goody as it’s Government Secret Projects! And sometimes they turn out to be truth that’s stranger than fiction. It’s an early Patreon bonus ep., so be patient if it sounds a little different, but it’s a really fun one so please enjoy.
Kelsey brings us the story of the US Army’s Secret Unit, the Stargate Project. Meant to make a sort of super-soldier that could kill goats at a glance and act as psychic spies (from China??) it had some strange experiments and odd original code-names. Gondola Wish, Grill Flame or Center Lane? Come on, y’all. Do better!
Next Alanna tells us about Project Pegasus, where people maybe fly high on the road to political success and presidency, and also bend space and time so....let’s gooo! Talk about something for the vision board, eh? And there’s a cameo from someone we mentioned in passing last episode, from Baba Vanga’s predictions, huh...it’s all rather coincidental, no? We love it!
Next week we will have more brand-new, true crime content for ya, so stay tuned and Keep it Cryptic!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Naming
00:00:21
Speaker
Welcome to episode one of Unclassified. That's what we're calling it. Yeah. Let us know if you like the title. We like it. We just decided. Yeah, the unclassified series.
00:00:38
Speaker
ah Yeah, for our Patreons only, our Patrons. Yeah, bonus, bonus episodes. Ooh! We're also, I was thinking of calling the Patrons the Illuminati, but spelled like naughty or nasty. Yeah, I like that.
Project Pegasus and Government Secrets
00:00:56
Speaker
All right. Well, look the I'm sure we'll get the feedback on that one. If anybody ever listens to this. Hello. Hello. Just be an archive of sad bonus episodes nobody ever listens to. I will listen to it.
00:01:15
Speaker
and Especially because we're doing government secret projects and I'm pumped. I'm fucking pumped to tell you about this. I'm excited.
00:01:26
Speaker
I don't think we've ever really talked about it. So I don't know. um It's called Project Pegasus. So it's one of the many projects, secret projects that are called project something. So yeah. ah look In fact, we're probably going to refer to a couple other projects within this story. So just buckle up. I'm not familiar with it. i like it's It's out there. But I even have like a disclaimer for it not to be confused with Marvel's project Pegasus, which if you care was the joint project between SHIELD, NASA, and the US Air Force to study the Tesseract and harness its power. I'm not up with enough Marvel canon to have confused that.
00:02:21
Speaker
I had to look it up just to be sure because I'm like, I've seen the movies, but like fandom can be vicious. No. Yeah, for sure. So different project Pegasus. Have you heard of it? I feel like I recognize the name, but I definitely don't know the details. I know I knew nothing about government projects like at all.
00:02:51
Speaker
Um, ever, like I, it just wasn't like a thing that I ever like paid attention to. So doing my same was kind of interesting for me because I was like, okay, I know nothing about any of these. So let's just start looking up some of them and clicking like the three sentence blurb about each one is about being like, okay, next, next.
00:03:23
Speaker
Well, you know, I think sometimes
Andrew Basiago's Time Travel Claims
00:03:26
Speaker
it's not that it's not interesting, but maybe there's not enough interesting things out there about it that you want to listen to. So it's like, if I have to Google and, you know, read a whole Wikipedia and then read, you know, several other sites to see if that's correct, to corroborate, let's like you, you might not have time or the attention span to fall down that rabbit hole. But now that there's things like our podcast,
00:03:52
Speaker
and other sources. It can be really enjoyable. I was listening to this one. i like i visitz I vividly remember I was walking down the path by our house, like the bike path. And like, I don't know, I was probably making faces and talking to myself because it was crazy. Oh, wow. yeah Sorry. Yeah, I think so. But you get the judge. So ah let's start with Andrew Basiago. He is a Washington State lawyer, writer, and 21st century visionary. He was also a part ah child participant. Sorry. I need to breathe. We'll cut this out, but I'm just like, oh my God. Okay. So he's a lawyer, writer, visionary.
00:04:46
Speaker
He was also a child participant in Project Pegasus in the late 60s and the early 70s. Project Pegasus was a US time space exploration program. He started when he was just six years old. Just a wee lad. Everybody wants to be an astronaut at that age. Yeah. That's true. It was probably pretty exciting at the time. Oh, yeah. like Yeah.
00:05:13
Speaker
Um, okay. So he started when he was just six years old. The program was run by DARPA, which is the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. I probably could have come up with a better acronym. Just saying. I, for whatever reason that just reminded me of the, what is, is it the DARMA initiative from Lost? That was the worst thing I've had. Oh yeah. I was like, DARMA.
00:05:42
Speaker
but
00:05:44
Speaker
Right. Oh, I was totally into Lost. Oh, yeah. I was in that Dharma and it indoctrinated. It's a four, eight, 15, 16, 15, 20. Yeah, 42. Oh, God. Yeah, that was the first show I really like. Um,
00:06:09
Speaker
went on my laptop and was like, on all the forums I could find, you know, it's like, I mean, not all shows in the like, when I was a kid, obviously, the internet was big and stuff. So but like that one, it was like, no, I'm into this. I'm looking it up on my laptop. I don't care if I have other better things I could be doing. I didn't start watching that show until it was all already done.
00:06:37
Speaker
Okay, that's cool. That can be nice because you can breeze through. Yeah, I liked the first like few seasons, but it started to drag on. And I realized half of the remaining cast I like loathe as characters. So it became a chore to continue watching it. Yeah, they definitely shows can kind of go past their expiration date sometimes and especially if your favorite characters go by the way some of them very very early on in the show oh yeah but then yeah it was like you didn't have much cast and you'd think you wouldn't be able to gain any cast but then yeah they double the amount of cast in the show and you're like what yeah anyway oh i know right i digress
00:07:36
Speaker
So DARPA, if you don't know, i don't know ah ever heard of it no all is the agency responsible for keeping US defense up to date with advancements in technology? It began as a response to the Sputnik program in the late 50s. DARPA finds ways to integrate cutting edge tech developments into stuff the military might want.
00:08:05
Speaker
That's from nbcnews dot.com. So yeah, that kind of explains how they came about, you know, the whole Cold War Russians. It says the Sputnik program was a series of space missions launched by the Soviet Union and in the late 9150s, because I wrote this. That's what 1950s Europe, 9150s.
Skepticism and Public Response
00:08:32
Speaker
We should leave these ones totally unedited. We can, I mean. Well, it's maybe, well, people can let us know if they don't mind our craziness. If you ever pay even $2 to listen to this, and then you get to listen to us go 1,000 times. Because we normally edit 99% of those. That's a heavy load they're lifting. Yeah, talking to future presidents when they're children is crazy.
00:09:06
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I know because it's all kind of wrapped up because it's like they got the time traveling.
Exploring Remote Viewing and ESP
00:09:10
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Yeah, it's this is why this is a deep dive. Oh, yeah.
00:09:17
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a um My inspiration, I heard it covered really well. So I'm only gonna hope to try and do it justice. But I heard it really well. And then that's why we drink and covered it a two parter. And then like, I obviously tried to pull from different things too. So it's not a regurgitation of someone else's work or anything like that. But like, he has a whole website. So yeah, I looked up a few things on there and I might go back. Not gonna lie. So Andrew Basiago himself said, imagine a world in which one could jump through Grand Central, teleport in New York City.
00:10:03
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Is grant central teleportta please Grand Central Grand Central Station great is the big like train station in New York. I feel like it's missing a word. Oh, god damn it. Sorry, my notes probably hurt my shit. Whenever I friggin copy and paste something, it's horrible.
00:10:23
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yeah Maybe I'll should put that goddamn quote in later. OK, so it's basically like one could jump through Grand Central Station teleport to New York City, travel through a tunnel in a time-space continuum, and emerge several seconds later at Union Teleport. It's just the name of the teleport. I'm an idiot. I don't know the teleport program. I'm not familiar with it. The Union Teleport in Los Angeles. Such a world has been possible since 1967, when teleportation was a first achieved by DARPA's Project Pegasus, only to be suppressed ever since as a secret weapon. sure
00:11:04
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When my best project Pegasus succeeds, such a world will emerge, and human beings linked by teleportation around the globe will proclaim the time space age has begun. I'm going to need a bucket of water. I'm going to take a drink too. I think the the problem was I took that quote from something that was called brown paper tickets. It was literally, um, I think like a link to one of his shows, like he lectures, we'll get to it. So they took scientists. So the us army DARPA, the whole, am I actually missing some?
00:11:58
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No, no. It's just kind of it's a lot. I'm sorry. That's why I felt like I may have missed something. We've written it a lot, I think. Okay. So scientists were taken from other secret projects such as the Manhattan Project, which was the development of nuclear weapons in the 40s, and Operation Paperclip, US intelligence project that brought over German and Nazi scientists and engineers to work at the US government took
00:12:29
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all these such scientists from these other secret projects to work on it. Yeah. So a whole lot of different people on it, not just American to borrow out Nazi scientists too. When are we going to get some like Canadian government unclassified, like weird experiment stuff? Well,
00:12:55
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Okay, didn't one of our defense department guys say something about aliens though? I feel like that's just like we were just talking about before we started recording. Yeah, but that was about it. It was about Right, but just how I was saying that, or we were both kind of saying, I think that um you hear about stuff, but then it sometimes gets shoved under the rug because of other things going on. And like,
00:13:22
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That's just media suppression going with it too, I think. I don't know. So here's the beginning of the timeline for this project. and We're going to go back to Nikola Tesla died January 7, 1943. Stay with me.
00:13:48
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i
00:13:50
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It was the 60s when Andrew was a child, but we'll get back to that because he Tesla is is a big part of why they were able to achieve all this. Go figure. and that That probably doesn't surprise you.
00:14:07
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yeah um So Tesla died early 1943 in January. Next thing I have on my bullets, October 28, 1943.
00:14:20
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something called the Philadelphia experiment does or does not occur. we have we we We'll give a brief rundown too, because this one's a little bit pertinent to it. I think this one's a little bit better known.
00:14:39
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but
00:14:41
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um It's a little bit easier to unpack, because I heard like a 30 minute version of it on like, supernatural with Ashley Flowers, not the supernatural show. It's a podcast network podcast. um But anyway, this one, the gist of the Philadelphia experiment is the US was testing, and this is 1943 again. So the US was testing some of their first stealth technology, most likely based on Tesla's own designs.
00:15:18
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So they were trying to come up with tech that would render their ships and things invisible to radar so that, you know, the Russians wouldn't be able to see them coming. And it's always because of the Russians and war when they, oh like right? Yeah, it's always got always have, they always have to have ah an enemy so that they can always pour money, you know, all, all governments really, but, you know, so they can pour money into,
00:15:45
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The war on drugs, the war on terror, like,
00:15:51
Speaker
but anyway, I don't know how to fix it. So I'm just going to leave that rant there. Sorry. Okay. So Philadelphia experiment, stealth technology, probably based on Tesla's designs. So during these experiments, a ship called the USS Eldridge,
00:16:12
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would be the first test subject. Witnesses saw a blue-green light glowing around the ship before it disappeared, before their very eyes. As the story goes, military reports from the incident say the crew went mad, some developed mysterious illnesses, and some were said to have seen actually fused to the ship itself. Like Barnacle Bill.
00:16:34
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and ah
00:16:40
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not really i love the caribbean that's what it made me think of when these people fly on the ship that was so sad but yeah um but like so it was a pretty crazy incident i have listened to a few different things on it and Like that, that's the shallowest. That was a puddle dive. I like scraping.
00:17:14
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Yeah. Oh, scraping. Ew. No, no, I, I might be moving just like a whole movie. Scrape down the door frame. Cause I have the door closed. Oh, it scared me. Oh my God.
00:17:33
Speaker
oh Jesus, animals.
00:18:32
Speaker
Hi. Hello. I had a quick talk. I'm sorry.
00:18:45
Speaker
Yeah, as your cat opened the door and she was nowhere to be seen. And then she was in the kitchen, like wailing about her food that I already fed her at seven o'clock. I don't know.
00:19:02
Speaker
Yeah, she's being weird. So I picked her up and gave her a cuddle. And then she was like clutching onto my sweater, being like, don't put me back down. And I was like, I have to have to go to the other room that you're not allowed in.
00:19:19
Speaker
Oh, she's banned from it while you're recording? you like spare bedrooms Just because there's like crap everywhere. so Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.
00:19:34
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just an as and like I said, what? I recorded before or something like that to Pat. And he's like, well, he doesn't love when the door is shut and he's scraped on the floor before. Yeah.
00:19:49
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like yeah
00:19:51
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But he's sitting down with dad now. I had to get a drink. I got a list next. It's a lot.
00:20:16
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All right, so where yeah we we're at the Philadelphia experiment. Or rather, I told the Philadelphia experiment. People refused to the ship. It didn't go great, but that's the point. We're back to Project Pegasus. We don't have time to get into that.
00:20:39
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do So after that, like from what Basiago knows, ah they started more experiments around 1958 and by 1960. Sorry, my papers.
00:20:54
Speaker
They started up again by 1958, and by 1964, they had achieved teleportation. It started out as similar to holograms. You didn't actually go back in your body. It's more like the Star Wars holograms or something, or the hologram that you have now, I guess.
00:21:16
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um But anyway, like yeah, it had its fits and starts. So they graduated to something that they called chronovision, which was similar to modern day virtual reality glasses. Edit burp out here.
00:21:36
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yes
00:21:39
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Yeah, we're not editing this right. And then we have a five minute break, a couple burps.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, what's my job doing crap? We're getting edited. We'll edit out the part where we said we weren't going to edit it. No one will ever know.
00:22:05
Speaker
I'm just leaving the part like, do you want this unedited? Yeah, See, I'm dying.
00:22:18
Speaker
Let me die for $2 a month.
00:22:27
Speaker
oh I listening to a quick anecdote. I was listening to podcasts today with the Outlander author. I said to Pat, she sounds, I don't know what I thought she would sound like, but she sounds a little, I said, like, older than I thought. And then I'm like,
00:22:47
Speaker
But like I don't know why they thought she was going to sound like Claire from the series. like She's not from the UK. She's from Arizona. that She's like 67. I played her voice, and he cut i said, that's her that's the author there on the podcast. And he looked, you oh. I'm like, yeah. It's like like, yeah, I guess she's like my mom's age. She just sounds like, I don't know. Her voice is like higher than I thought. yeah
00:23:15
Speaker
It's just like an older person. I looked up one time on Sonic Radio what they looked like. And I was like, you do not look like your radio voice. so um Oh, I hate having a picture in my head of people almost. I wish I couldn't. And then you're like, I don't even want to look them up. I'm like, you're going to not look like anything I pictured you like. But then my pictures in my head are always like very vague.
00:23:44
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They probably have brown hair. Their face is blurry. They are a block of flesh with limbs. And then they do stuff.
00:23:58
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Well, yeah, or someone like, if you have a deeper voice, you probably look like a big and manly man in person.
00:24:09
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perfect
00:24:13
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Oh, God. Okay. Chronovision. Remember? Yeah, it's members like that. Then they holograms. And then the chronovision I said was like more like virtual reality classes. But they're like seeing back sure they are in time through them and stuff like that. Oh, it's like
00:24:41
Speaker
Yeah. It's like now they're kind of like, yes, like they can go there because they can see it. And it makes, well, anyway, it makes me think of those little view master toys. I don't know if you had them and the pictures by click, click. Yeah. Anyway, so in 1967, Andrew Basiago started his work at six years old. His father worked for the Ralph M Parsons company as an engineer.
00:25:10
Speaker
the This company provided electronics, instrumentation, ground checkout systems, designs, and engineering for aircraft, missiles, and rockets. They held contracts with chemical and nuclear jet propulsion facilities,
00:25:27
Speaker
pardon me think or including for NASA, and Exxon, BP, and the US military. wow That's who Daddy works for.
00:25:38
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so ah Project Pegasus, a special head engineer was Raymond Basiego, Andrew's father. And I don't know if I didn't know where to put this, but later in life, Andrew would seemingly confirm his dad was working for the CIA. Like he called ah after his dad had passed and wanted to confirm and they're like, we cannot confirm or deny someone if someone works for the CIA if they work for us.
00:26:07
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So I therefore work for the CIA.
00:26:14
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He's like, my dad fucking worked for the CIA. Yeah. So and Andrew's dad took him for his very first time travel excursion, or for his his first movie jump, they called it. I was obsessed with that movie when I was younger. I loved it. Yeah.
00:26:33
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but
00:26:37
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I barely remember it. We both have.
00:26:46
Speaker
No, it's just that that should have said first. hey That should have said first teleportation excursion, not time travel. So because they went to like Curtis Wright Aeronautical in Woodbridge, New Jersey. And he remembers his father took him to Building 68. I love details.
00:27:08
Speaker
Also, I liked listening to him because you could listen to him on different things that I listened to. I was like, it's nice when someone sounds super articulate and so instead of it, you know, just being someone who's not less believable, I guess, yeah less credible, I should say. Yeah. So his father took him to building 68 and told an assistant technician in the jump room to turn on on the machine.
00:27:39
Speaker
I'm just gonna die. but Okay. I took a drink. The portal in the so called jumping room or jump room looks like two large parentheses or ellipses they can call them in some instances. So two large parentheses shaped booms that were like eight feet tall and 10 feet apart, which does kind of sound to me like a lot of Like the time machines, for instance, say in the Marvel movies and like Endgame and... The other one. Yeah, Endgame. Infinity War? Yes! I can't believe I knew that. I just assisted you on a hard one. And I call my thing. Shut up!
00:28:31
Speaker
All right. Moving on. Okay. I'm sorry. Hang on. I gotta stop. That's because of my bong. That's lovely.
00:28:52
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um Parenthesis shape booms. I'm trying not to move around. I'm such a fidgeter. So picture it. It's the 70s.
00:29:07
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yeah you know, the computers that they had, the they looked rudimentary. And it was like plugged into the wall. ah It had tiny ports with red and green lights coming from it. And then Basiago said it actually felt either to some people like you were going really, really fast when you were in it or that you were not moving at all, depending on the person you talked to. but Because people like literally experienced it different ways.
00:29:38
Speaker
like I can't like it didn't say which one he felt, but obviously it was one or the other. um Tesla said that the ellipse sees or the parentheses booms, these things that you get inside, they harnessed radiant energy. It resembles like a waterfall of energy that you go through. a So Tesla says, radiant energy is quote,
00:30:07
Speaker
Latent and pervasive in the universe but has the capacity to bend time and space so he was the first to discover radiant energy and energy in 1901 and Yeah, I love Tesla He's the best love Tesla He's the best.
00:30:38
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but ah
00:30:40
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so but i'm ah no Okay. So what the fuck? Where am I? Sorry. 1901. So Tesla said that the source of this energy is the sun.
00:30:59
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He concluded that the sun emits small particles, each carrying so small of a charge that they move with great velocity exceeding that of light. So Andrew's father, for his first jump, like took Andrew's hand. He didn't go alone. His member Andrew was pretty young when he started this program. He was six. I can't remember if he's six at this time, but this is his first jump. Andrew just remembers seeing a strange blue light.
00:31:27
Speaker
they jumped to the Capitol building in New Mexico. And his father was also more okay with this because he had been jumping for years. So a woman saw them the day that they jumped the first time that Andrew jumped and she tried telling the media later but no one believed her. Hang on. Did I say they jumped to the Capitol building in New Mexico? Yes. Okay.
00:31:53
Speaker
I felt like I read that sentence, but then I didn't remember reading it because I don't know.
00:32:00
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Well, anyway. So no one believed her. That crackpot. Nobody's just appearing out of nowhere. But she saw this happen a few times. one So it was like a known jump spot. So once in Mexico, yeah.
00:32:19
Speaker
So once there, he and his dad drove to see Dr. Harold Agnew. Dr. Agnew is known as the father of the atomic bomb for his work on the Manhattan Project.
00:32:35
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, because he's not one of the ones, don't some of them, and but some of them, I mean, I don't know which inventor, like maybe the lady who invented I don't know. But they you know feel bad, and they don't want it used for bad. I don't know if he's like that.
00:33:00
Speaker
OK, sorry. So you know yeah, he's known as the father of the atomic bomb for his work on the Manhattan Project. I said what it was earlier, right, the Manhattan Project?
00:33:19
Speaker
because I have here just the Manhattan Project was a research and development undertaking during World War II that produced the first nuclear weapons. It was led by the United States with the support of the United Kingdom, which initiated the original tube alloys project. so Okay, no, I don't think. Thank you Wikipedia.
00:33:39
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me
00:33:43
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who Okay. But anyways, because there's so many projects, I think I mentioned it along with where they got scientists for important project cases. So Basiego remembers his dad talking to Dr. Agnew for a while, and he heard the name Tesla several times. He saw plans and designs with Tesla's name on them. There was another jump room where Dr. Agnew was, and they used this to travel back to the first jump room. After the jump to New Mexico, he spent some time practicing
00:34:17
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traveling back in time just a few hours into the past. yeah You know, you gotta still practice that shit. make Makes perfect.
00:34:29
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ah But yeah, so first through space, but not really through time and then practicing traveling through time. It's like a blue tunnel of light and then seconds later you arrive.
00:34:42
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ah Nice, Pap. So after that a successful trip across the country, Andrew began to go on other trips. Yay. I'm so sorry. you So he wake got to go back to the Jurassic period. As a little boy, I would just like stop and say that'd be awesome. Dinosaurs were apparently roaming the Earth at the time.
00:35:13
Speaker
So that's pretty cool. But obviously, if he had interacted with them, he probably wouldn't be a alive. So anybody he got to go back to George Washington's tent in the Revolutionary War. um And he went back to Abraham Lincoln's assassination.
00:35:32
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Because they wanted to go and make like corroborate things that they had heard about in history and from the history books. They want to make sure that they like happen and like to stop anything.
00:35:45
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but
00:35:49
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These are, no, these are just like reconnaissance missions. They're just like observe and report. Yeah. So this, and when, like a lot of it, they're still just viewing through the chronovisors. They're called chrononauts, by the way.
00:36:06
Speaker
Like like corona the The cronuts. I never really thought of that. The cronut.
00:36:19
Speaker
take um So he gets to go back to, or see, the signing of the American Constitution, a slide on George Washington. Oh, yeah, I'll get to that.
00:36:36
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Yeah. um Get to a few of these. Yeah, because the most famous one of his trips back or the one that like is most talked about on anything that you read of it is ah the Gettysburg Address. is So I'm Canadian. i I had to look this up to be able to really say what it was accurately. I mean, I was like, Yeah, I think it's something in their history, but what? you know Yeah, it's like, okay. I wouldn't have wanted to talk out of my ass for that one. It's a speech that ah President Abraham Lincoln delivered during this American Civil War at the dedication of the Soldiers National Cemetery in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania i on the afternoon of November 19th, 1863. November 19th, 1863.
00:37:34
Speaker
ah Four and a half months after the Union armies defeated those of the Confederacy at the Battle of Gettysburg. It's one of the best known speeches in American history. Just not by me. No, but well, that's not true. Next line. It's the one that goes, for school and seven years ago, our fathers brought forth upon this continent a new nation conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. and Less British.
00:38:09
Speaker
Oh, have you seen our letter Kenny where they go, get this guy a poppers? Like saying get this girl poppers. Anyway. So yeah, he went back to Gettysburg.
00:38:28
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That one was sorry, that one was not a Corona visor one. Because There's a picture to look up. that my My one picture for my case, yeah I can include a picture of Andrew, I suppose, off his website in his little suit, like looking like he's a lawyer in in Washington, so that he'll be all dressed up in his little lawyer suit. Well, that's pretty cool, too, as a lot of things I was listening to pointed out, like, as an attorney, if you talk about anything like this, you could be disbarred.
00:39:06
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Which is pretty crazy. I mean, people aren't going to like necessarily just believe yet. So yeah, I can see how it'd be really bad for you. I can see it. But I think he's cool. um So there was a picture of a little boy. There's a big group of people. this is Yeah, it's from the Gettysburg Address. So we're talking, what did I say? 1863. So yeah, the there was pictures, but they weren't great. It's black and white. It's, it's grainy and stuff. But he says that that is him. He had been tasked with delivering a pre-planned script or speech to Washington. Um, today, hang on. I had the speech somewhere. Yeah.
00:40:04
Speaker
Oh, I'm sorry. My notes too are crazy. Okay, yeah, we'll get to it. Delivering a pre-planned speech to Washington, but he felt like he was attracting attention on the way there. He saw soldiers looking at him and he thought it was because he had these shoes that were too big because apparently like during his trip back, his shoes had blown off. So he had stolen a pair off of a body. Right now.
00:40:30
Speaker
Like we're top little super soldiers or whatever, not super soldiers, but spies, black ops. So in the picture, and as he describes, he deliberately like was positioning his feet to try and hide the fact that the shoes were too big, he says. So he stuck his left foot far and his right foot to the side. And he's looking away from the Wells Hotel where Washington was due to arrive soon.
00:40:59
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So that's how he's standing in the picture. I'll put a picture up the picture up on the drive. um He's the he's like in the forefront. He's like he circled in all the pictures online. You can't miss him. But it's still pretty hard to tell much detail ah about his face or his shoes. One thing I heard said that, oh, his shoes were modern. But no, what I heard More than that was that he had stolen shoes, he's lost his shoes. Anyway, he went to tell Washington, I'm a time travel from your future from 1970. And I can tell that you will win this war. I can tell you, you will win this war and form a country called the United States of America. But you should retreat from New York Harbor because you will lose this battle hard if you do not his exact words.
00:41:57
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you will be the first president of the United States of America and the nation's very capital will be actually named after you. Fun fact, some people say that George Washington said that the angels helped him win the war, that angels helped him win the war.
00:42:20
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So you never know. So, but these jumps, with these kids didn't always go well. I was gonna say the only kids doing these jumps. Take your kid to work and just like, I want to take my kid to all these crazy places. Let's hang out with the dinosaur son and let's go see George Washington and let's go see you get Abraham Lee and get shot.
00:42:52
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Except it's more like you go by yourself. ah the sister did this jump i would not a child but In fact, I may have missed it, but I believe he runs into his father at one point, but it's mostly not there.
00:43:14
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but ah ah like it loving it All So. Bosseago tells us of a time when a group of children, I don't love this part, by the way, ah they're doing a test jump to prepare them for some upcoming missions. who Pardon me. They were all the kids to jump from their respective locations to a central location at an abandoned school in Santa Fe. Santa Fe, one boy materialized
00:43:50
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in a fountain that had been drained. However, there ended up being a few inches of rainwater that happened to collect in it. They hadn't planned for this. And Basiago says because of the specific gravity of water, ah this caused an unforeseen issue where the boy appeared in the ankle deep water, but his feet did not. The top of him, quote, slid off his ankles.
00:44:15
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and out of the fountain having been, quote, detached from his feet.
00:44:25
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His feet didn't arrive, but the rest of them did. So I think of Harry Potter and like that he got splinched. That's so weird. That's how I think of it. In my right mind, they would never be doing like having children do this.
00:44:46
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I just can't. ah Yeah.
00:44:53
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hey Oh, of all the things I believe my government and not like that I come in from I don't put anything past them. This is like sensitive that they're doing. They don't want it messed up. There's probably millions of dollars put into this and then you're like interesting six year olds with it. That sounds Mm hmm. I didn't see that this guy. Oh, I know. that's for Yeah, ah it that would be a lot to put on a six year old. This this poor fellow was nine. I'm just gonna get this right over with he was riding on the ground screaming. My feet my feet. I'm only nine years old. What am I going to do without any feet?
00:45:49
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don't know what to do. but Because yeah, that is horrible. And like, little, okay, this is literally a quote from Andrew. So when I considered the fact that some of my contemporaries have lost their feet or sight as kids giving humanity new ways to travel, ah he felt more, more, look he felt, quote, morally compelled to bring it to light.
00:46:16
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to He's a whistleblower. and ah
00:46:25
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So they did have some contingency plans in place. They would give the kids papers that were supposed to explain their presence enough to ward off danger in case of any suspicion. It would like tell them to see a certain person that they had pre-picked, of course. to try like they They did try to keep the kids safe. So there was some of these things that Andrew talked about that they did like that.
00:46:55
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Um, see, but he said there was some close calls for him too. Like he was sent back to the night of Lincoln's assassination and he was told to leave the theater once he heard the shot fired. And then he ran into himself while leaving the theater and he boogied out of there after that. So he ran into like an earlier version of himself cause he would be doing this so much, all the jumping.
00:47:27
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I know.
00:47:30
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I love I love time travel. But I think it's so cool. Because like, whether or not we can believe this one, if it is true, like, just think how cool it is, right? It's like, cool but anyway.
00:47:51
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um yeah So you might be asking, why send children in the first place? 100%. Small humans seem to work better. So like, physically, they had less, whatchamacallit.
00:48:17
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not defects, but effects from the the traveling the teleporting. They're so young and light that like, they just teleported just like, you know, right after they test that chocolate bar and Charlie and chocolate factory and then they send my TV through the gamma ray next a little bit bigger. Um, but they also picked them because ah sorry, mentally, like they had less prejudices or preconceptions from what they were seeing. Or like I've read it happens this way. He's like, I'm sick. I don't know what happens in the getting revolutionary war and stuff. And I can also not read.
00:49:08
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is
00:49:12
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Oh my god, I think this is my deep dive. Isn't it? I got like a little bit more. It's going to be so short after this. I'm so sad.
00:49:33
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Well, but well it's we're already at an hour and a half. I mean, maybe that'll be good. We'll have to figure it out. It's OK.
00:49:46
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Yeah. carrie Yeah, that's probably true.
00:49:54
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So they also went the other way. They could also teleport to the future. They went to the year 2045, which at the time in 1970 was actually 75 years into the future.
00:50:15
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andrew
00:50:17
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just you're like well but we could kind of guess yeah but to that yeah can you imagine from 1970 to seeing even 2021 2020 they were like what like the heck that's why they decided your first would die in 2012 is because they saw 2020 and was like nah
00:50:48
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Yeah. We've had all these predictions of world ending because people have gone into the future and seen the mask. I don't even know if that's because of the leader. People are dying? Trump president?
00:51:03
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I know. oh Don't get me started on that. I know it's the Mayan calendar and it's like I don't know how it got so hyped up to that, like the end of the world, so much as they believed it was more of an end of an age. And it's supposed to come to an age of enlightenment eventually, but I think directly preceding that, it started this age of absolute confusion, which he totally makes sense. It's a physical calendar. It has to have an end. yeah
00:51:39
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Every year, every paper. Yeah, we make all the calendars. Just this was a longer calendar. so
00:51:51
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Yeah. where So Andrew got to go to 2045, 2045, however you want to say it.
00:52:06
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And the jump room in 2045 was made of tungsten and gold. Sounds kind of Wizard of Ozzy to me. I don't know why. And tungsten, I don't know what it's from. Possibly The Simpsons. I just hear, I need tungsten to live. Tungsten! I think so. Someone will tell me. At me.
00:52:32
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um His first jump to 2045 was to retrieve a canister of microfilm and bring it back. So that was handy because in 1970, like, God, they couldn't yeah play something that we'd be using in 2045. And stuff would be the only thing.
00:52:57
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Yeah, that's true.
00:53:03
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bring back a smartphone and they're like, Satan, there's no because there was no Wi-Fi coming pretty near soon. um they not cell phone towers It would immediately just not work. And it would last for eight hours and then the battery would die in the brick. Yeah.
00:53:26
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yeah So One thing that he brought back that he remembers specifically is footage depicting the events surrounding 9-11. I wrote insert 9-11 tangent here, but do the whole episode and what I fucking think about 9-11. Anyway.
00:53:49
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So he brought back what he called moving pictures showing the events. So maybe he had like a, they gave him a tablet and then he was moving pictures for a while. Yeah.
00:54:05
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yeah I don't know if he said that like, uh, well, I guess it would be, would be a little bit later on. It wouldn't be in 1970. He's not talking about it. This project while he's in it.
00:54:18
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He could probably talk doubt about it or they kick him out. because
00:54:25
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Well, yeah, he could. Um, yeah. So but but but but but but yeah, they knew about that. They do. They had the footage of 9 11 at that time. And presumably that's true. Something could have been done.
00:54:43
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if they didn't want 9-11 to happen because it was an inside job. ah but I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'll stop. Because at the time that this happened in the 1970s, a man named Donald Rumsfeld was the defense attaché for Project Pegasus at the time. He was also a consultant for Richard Nixon, and he was the liaison between Project Pegasus and the Pentagon. Yeah.
00:55:12
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so He's definitely in with the guys.
00:55:18
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But yeah, so they go they go forward, they get all their information and they just, who knows, they sit on it. um In the fall of 1971, Ray Basiago told his son, Andrew, apparently I spelled son with an E at the end. His son. His son.
00:55:42
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Yeah. So, Andrew, you will write a paper in 2008, it called the discovery of life on Mars. And a copy of the paper was retrieved. So Andrew could could see it. and I mean, I guess you could argue that that implanted is his idea to want to write it, right? I know. I know. That's a very possible ship right there, possible possibility.
00:56:11
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That's some Inception shit right there. What? It's a dream within a dream within a dream where you hate your father. Oh my god. Just mantle his empire.
00:56:27
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It's kind of gonna remind me of a little bit of the Martian later. I don't think I've seen that. Just wait for it. No. No. No?
00:56:41
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Enter Feller? I've seen the movie poster. Anything where Matt Damon plays a Martian? But I haven't watched it.
00:56:53
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They're both actually really good. and they both the The point of that is they depict Matt Damon as a Martian living. Not a Martian, but basically in both films, he ends up stranded on Mars.
00:57:10
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And both films have Jessica Chastain in it. Both Interstellar and The Martian. But Interstellar's focus is not Matt Damon. It's the one with um Matthew McConaughey. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. I didn't hear you say you saw that one. Okay, well, you yeah you remember he's, he sees Matt Damon in that one.
00:57:37
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He's like,
00:57:40
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Because he's on one of the the planets they go to. I don't want him to try and think he's on the ship with Anne Hathaway. I don't know. They can only like have enough like gas to go to so many planets or something. And they have to like gamble which one still has a person surviving alive there. And Matt Damon's one of the alive i'd have to ah people on like Mars or something. Yeah, I remember liking the movie. It's good. I like it.
00:58:12
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yeah Is it Christopher Nolan? Because it has a very like, ooh. And it's a real long thing. It's like three hours long. Has.
00:58:25
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Yeah, let's just say it's not de science fiction. It's got like. Yeah. ah Mysticism in it almost or like I would call it science fiction because it's just unknown shit.
00:58:42
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time and space shit that I obviously am not a kid up to explaining. All right. Let me see if I can get through this. Okay. So, okay. He's gonna write a ah paper called Discovery of Life on Mars. His dad tells him that. But then Andrew leaves and doesn't participate in the program from about 1972 to 1980. So he from like age nine ish to eight inna have did this let him go a teenager, his dad, or is he going to the school in the past or the future? Like what's happening?
00:59:21
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right but He's a lawyer, he passed the bar He's a smart dude. Anyway, um, but in 1980, so like he's 18, I believe,
00:59:36
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And he's approached by his former team at Project Pegasus to come back to the program. Yeah, he's 18. He's born in 1961. um He's a little apprehensive. He actually felt he was treated a bit poorly, more roughly, by his first you know foray into the program. So I guess he was probably, maybe he was a little young, but he actually does say yes. He wants to go back. Or he says, sure, whatever. I don't know. He just he he goes back.
01:00:06
Speaker
So this time, they want them to help with their program to time travel to the past to visit future presidents when they're children. So they want to prep the kids for life in politics, you know, as president, and they also want to potentially recruit them into project pixels.
01:00:25
Speaker
welcome so basia Nobody ever when Trump was a toddler shouldn't about him now and like you would one day be president, right? No No, no mention he's not mentioned as one that was groomed it's but Because of the time traveling abilities his dad simpson mentioned that Trump would in the future be president
01:01:03
Speaker
So Basia, I go met the following kids. Young Dick Cheney. Okay, I was gonna say better. Young George Bush, junior and senior, then young Bill Clinton.
01:01:15
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No, because Obama was awesome. And it can't be that this weird government program groomed him as a child.
01:01:29
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No. Do you think those two things are mutually exclusive? I don't. I don't. OK, so that's a really good segue.
01:01:43
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Remember how they were going to study the effects of teleportation to Mars? Santiago was involved in this group as well. One person in his Mars training group he had met during his work with future presidents. His name? Barry.
01:01:59
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Sotero. Satoro. Later, he was to be known by his more famous name, Barack Obama, because Satoro is his stepfather's last name, his mother's second husband's name, which is true. But in the 80s, there was a three-week seminar. Oh, no, my phone's dying. God. Let's see how far I can get.
01:02:25
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In the 80s, there was a three-week seminar at UCLA for this Mars training group, and it was taught by a major Ed Dames, a scientific tech tech officer in the US military. Of the 10 teens enrolled in the class, seven of them had parents in the CIA, including Andrew. One of the students was Brett Stillings, who's another whistleblower who later ah would corroborate everything Basiego has said about the program.
01:02:55
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So he's on on his side. So another in the program was Barry Satero and a fourth was Regina Dugan. And Regina Dugan was appointed to the head of Project Pegasus by Obama while he was in office.
01:03:12
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um An article by Atlantis Rising on Basiego's website gives more details about the trip to Mars. His first trip Basiego was given a crystal helmet in preparation.
01:03:24
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And he overheard someone saying, Andy's going up today.
01:03:31
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And for some reason, this time, like it the jump room, at least in one of the descriptions, it was like an elevator that took you up.
01:03:44
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And then it opened up and there you were like, you're in the ah concrete bunker on Mars. Tremendous amounts of LSD. Those bunkers on Mars. I used to be like, holy shit, I'm on Mars. I'm on Mars.
01:04:05
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um like
01:04:12
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but i Sorry, I'm cackling.
01:04:20
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it is Oh my God, my phone's at 10%. Oh my God. This is a long one. I'm sorry. I told you. I think I told you. And it doesn't go without any discussion either. One sec.
01:04:35
Speaker
I literally am just going to run to the bathroom and get water because I have no water. you
01:04:56
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Okay. Grab my charger if necessary. after Okay. so he's going up oh yeah so because the martian that's why i was talking about the martian he said there was a man living alone on mars like i don't know in a cabin maybe almost insane and then i was like a matt damon joke but i used to say no word on why matt damon doesn't just come home
01:05:28
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And there was like half humanoid creatures there. And he also said they gave you, that they had given them like a cyanide pill in case of emergency due to many of these threats, like any of these horrifying creatures. I just popped into my head, but Obama tried to explain all this shit to Michelle Obama and her just sitting there being like, Oh no, you didn't, you didn't see no aliens on Mars.
01:06:00
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sure Oh my gosh. Very quit smoking that Reaper. like
01:06:15
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I don't, I believe I want to believe and everything like that. I just believe that these people were not visiting aliens.
01:06:32
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but but
01:06:35
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I mean, yeah, I always try and be, I do try and be what you call it. It'd be cool if it happened. I just can't believe. Especially when you spring to visiting presidents and Obama was there. I know.
01:06:58
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I remember on a lot of the things, I hate it when you, like, I don't like listening to ones where they just like, they tell a story, but say they like, oh, it's bullshit from the the whole start. Like when I listened to it on and that's why we drink and Em's telling it. And then Christine was like, yeah, ah she was up to it until like the Mars point and then was like, oh, now I'm really stretching it hard. And I'm like, I'm like, that's fair. Like we're all different. I'm like, that yeah, there's parts for me that are more, you know, easy to swallow than others, but I don't know.
01:07:34
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I always like it when there's like, say somebody who corroborates or somebody that just sounds more credible. Like I listened to, you know what I mean? Like they're broken. Like I listened to them talking. If Obama came out and corroborated it, I would believe it.
01:07:54
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Your daughter will think you're so cool if you party with aliens on Mars. Just do it.
01:08:07
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with He did um correct some of this article. this was I had read some of this on an article on his website, the project Pegasus website. And so there's actually quite a few documents you can page through on there, but he did like have like an editor's note on the bottom of this one, because um I guess he wanted us to know that they say in this article that he he appeared on the the famous face on Mars, part of the Earth that is raised to kind of look like a true face. I haven't heard about that, though. People are like, oh, it looks like a face. You know? Yeah. It's kind of like, yeah, people see something. They're like, oh, yeah. There's a man on the moon. They're like, that looks like, what was the other thing? People say they think they see a pyramid on the moon or Mars. I don't know.
01:09:01
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But anyway, like, he was like, No, the article said they appeared in the bunker, like, that was in the face on Mars. But he's like, No, that wasn't true. He's like editor's note. So I was like, Oh, good. You're like, sticking to your facts. So yeah.
01:09:21
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um So with Andrew Basiego coming out and talking about some of these claims, he inadvertently validated the work of a renowned scholar and author of Mesopotamian history, Zachariah Sitchin. He had wrote a book called The Twelfth Planet that theorizes that the civilization that we currently inhabit resulted from an extraterrestrial human collaboration 5,000 years ago in ancient Sumer, which I think is interesting. All um those crazy alien movies, like, okay, I'm thinking of the fourth kind. We're like,
01:10:00
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Mila Jovovich like starts talking like it's like an alien possessor body and it was like they played real tapes though and then she was speaking ancient Sumerian it was fucked up did you see that one it's crazy and they're like what and they're like showing you when they're playing the real tapes and you're like well okay that's nice it's almost like when you see someone like speaking tongues when they're possessed
01:10:27
Speaker
fair Anyway, he's reached out to that guy to tell him that you're right ah about the ancient civilization. He's called on others involved in Project Pegasus to come forward. However, some think and argue that it would be hard for people to come forward ah that are still involved, especially. Yeah, which obviously is true, but if it's super secret.
01:10:54
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um So after his second stint in the program, he then became a lawyer and was practicing in Washington state of the Seattle area. And then after 9-11 happened, he thought to himself, well, that shit came true. And he released an affidavit on the anniversary of 9-11 to say that he had known it was going to happen. And by about 2004, he had come up with all the details about the program he could remember.
01:11:23
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And I believe he got ah let's be remembering through some possible like memory regression. They were told they weren't going to remember the program. That they'd have their memories wiped. That's what some things say.
01:11:41
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But he's given lectures all over North America. On his website, he's been to Vancouver, BC. I couldn't. There'd be too many people there. I would go see him if he were in town. We would have been him, but I wouldn't be able to handle it.
01:11:57
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and
01:12:00
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My mouflon buddies, come to me. um Finally, Basiago was informed ah by the program that he himself would run for, I wrote ruin for, all would run for and become president by 2028. So I believe he like ran the preliminaries in 2020. I honestly didn't look that up.
01:12:34
Speaker
is a long ass case. Okay. But he, um, he, he, yeah, he's been in politics. He is promoting the exposure of classified extraterrestrial info, stuff like that. And then he's like, can you imagine basically spearheading truck. He calls it the truth movement. I'm going to hit you with this. And this is just a real long con of a kid who is six and wanted to be president.
01:13:03
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It's just a extremely elaborate. Involving time travel. Well. And everything.
01:13:15
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Yeah. And he's just. This has been a Black Mirror episode like that one where that kid becomes president. He's going to get half the world on his side so that he can become president. And everything. Just because he wanted to be president. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:33
Speaker
The believers are on his side, the believers. I remember doing the Tim war. Bill Clinton, I don't know. Do you recall though that he wanted to know about aliens and they wouldn't tell him? No. it Well, he was president. Yeah, I know nothing about but Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton. Yeah, he like publicly was like, I'm sure it was Bill Clinton.
01:14:01
Speaker
Maybe Obama joked about it too, but then they like they'll be like, well, someone told me about the aliens. And that's all you ever hear a president say. And then it was Donald Trump that finally revealed like said the Boo.
01:14:19
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the
01:14:22
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That what? Aliens? Oh. Oh. Whatever. it is I don't even know. No, but did they didn't talk about aliens last year. Nobody knows because all they talked about was the stupid candy. Because they kept saying, oh, no, no, like we have no comment. We have no comment or whatever. And then they finally said, no, like we confirm with all of our sources. It's not like anything that we made. And that they are like 100% unidentified.
01:15:01
Speaker
I know we were talking about that, but I can't remember if it was the, if I decided that was the tic-tac videos or, I don't know. I'm confused on that. Um, Okay.
01:15:18
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Okay. So last, like, yeah, that is, and those same agents that told him he is going to be president had seen this in the future and that's recruited. we look up
01:15:31
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They had seen that he was going to be president. So that's why they recruited him as a child into the program because remember they did that with the future. So he was a kid. And that's the end of my case. And to be joining the program because he was going to be president. Oh my God.
01:15:49
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but
01:15:53
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Oh no. And this has all been queuing on all along. I'm going to make a Google calendar notification with this guy's name. And whenever the election in 2028 is going to be, and I will like get notified of it in an email being like in 2021, you found out about this and waited seven years.
01:16:25
Speaker
for this Google notification. Yeah. And then we can get like like, hey, you did it or you didn't do it all over his Twitter. We'll just be like ah that's still a contact when you put in your eye.
01:16:51
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Yeah. I love it. It's got a prediction. It's got time travel. It's got teleportation. Mine's such a good government secret project.
01:17:08
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No, these are the I mean, that was I guess in a deep dive, because I was like, but that doesn't mean that yours is interesting. Yeah, knew anything about really
01:17:31
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yeah yeah there's still a lot of them that I still know nothing about, or very little, which is Surprising, because I do really enjoy them. Most of the time, there's one spot that is usually on where I'm like, nope, Doug.
01:17:46
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but
01:17:50
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Yeah. Until now, where you were forced to keep listening to me. I'll listen to stuff that involves Obama, the Obama family. Doesn't matter what it
01:18:07
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ah I like him. I read one of his, like he had one autobiography. I remember I picked it up at like a used bookstore or something. He did move around a lot as a kid, but I thought it was mostly Hawaii and Kenya, not trips to Mars. Not that they spent any a long period of time. Anyway, I got to wrap it up because now my phone. Damn it. I was going to tell you something about episode two, but I don't know.
01:18:38
Speaker
Maybe I should just wait and tell you in the regular episode because it's kind of cool and people might want to hear it. I got some feedback after ah the case. I'm a family member. Tell me in the episode. I have a tangential connection with my case. like Yeah, because I work until 9 30 tomorrow and Thursday so we can record my part on Friday.
01:19:10
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Yes. OK. OK, sounds good. I'm going to have to really cut this one out, because I got like 4%. We need to do our pros. That was it? OK. OK. All right, sounds good. OK. Or do you want part one anyway? That was our cover of our secrets. Thanks. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for supporting us.
01:19:40
Speaker
That's all right. I'm ready for part two um government group. So mine is actually two like medium dives, or I guess one like deeper dive and then a medium short dive. um But they kind of go together. um Yeah, okay. So My first one is called the Stargate Project. You've probably heard of this because you're more versed in government projects than I am. It sounds like um the channel that Battlestar Galactica is on.
01:20:25
Speaker
Or something. I'm like, I feel like it's a term I should know. but maybe my nerdiness isn't up to it at this point in time to remember what it is. It's not a channel on TV. Stargate, Stargate, what? you think it product project Or just Stargate Project. They do love to name everything just something project. the Project, project.
01:20:53
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yeah um Austin Powers. Oh, I think that was I didn't really get the joke at first, because he's like, um it's the something Parsons project. And then Seth Green's character, his son just laughs. ha He's like, that's a band, man, or whatever. yeah and i was Like,
01:21:13
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I had to like ask my mom, I love those movies, but I didn't get that reference. I watched them during lockdown for the first time, and it's that is normally 100% not my kind of humor. I just watched them for the sake of their classic kind of like movies. So I was like, I figure I should watch them. But I don't know. I chuckled for quite a few parts.
01:21:38
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I think they're like a comfort movie for me. I mean i know it's like maybe in the vein of other satirical shit like scary movie three and four. And but I'm like, I grew up with it and I loved it. And it's funny. I love Mike Myers, who's super talented. And I just quote it all fucking day. And like, we let rain watch it for the first time because as I was like, keep saying to everyone, I'm like, PG 13 movies. Well, yeah, she's 13. Now she definitely gets all the jokes. There's no point trying to hide the rumor because she as we pointed out, loves horror movies and gore. Yeah. so And like she'll watch things and be like, oh my god, that quote is what that meme is always talking about. That's where that gif is from. It's really funny to watch or be cultured. Yeah, I was just going to say, you guys should just track the origin of memes and and rain discovering the origin of memes that she knows. Yeah.
01:22:39
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But watching Liar Liar and he's got this one line where he's like, I don't know something about because I'm your lawyer. I don't fucking advise that. I totally paraphrasing. But she was when i was like, What? I just thought you'd find this a funny movie. like when You and I took her to that concert and she was standing there like she was she hated that she got there.
01:23:04
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and stuff, and then like five songs in, she's just standing there with her arms crossed, and then the one song comes on, and she's like, I know this song, and then she was having the time of her life, and I was like, yeah, I knew that you knew some of their songs. ice Literally was just talking about that to Caitlin the other day. say they could come on and that my car and my playlets Like, I know, the song it's on all those tiktoks and I It's a popular song.
01:23:34
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like three That was like literally her first concert. But like yeah, she's totally a little mean where I was like, oh no, I was really good at being whiny when I was younger. But then I'd be like, I don't want to watch this movie. It's probably not good. It'd be all judgy. And then I'd be like, yeah, it was pretty good.
01:23:52
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you know yeah All right. but So the Stargate Project was the 1991 code name for a u secret US Army unit established in 1978 at Fort Meade, Maryland by the Defense Intelligence Agency, or the DIA, and the SRI, the Stanford Research Institute International, um which was a California contractor.
01:24:22
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of the Stanford Research Institute to investigate the potential for psychic phenomena in military and domestic intelligence applications. Ooh. We got some psychics.
01:24:40
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Or so they'll try to find. They love to experiment with shit they don't know about, the government and the military.
01:24:50
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I'm sorry, the US government. Don't let me US government. Yeah. So the project and its precursors and sister projects originally went by various code names, including Gondola Wish, Grill Flame, Central Lane,
01:25:13
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Project CF, Sunstreak, and Scanate until 1991 when they were consolidated and rechristened the Stargate Project.
01:25:28
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Because Gondola Lame is just so old. Gondola Wish and Grill Flame. Those are my favorites.
01:25:40
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I remember my sister and I, in our first view of a gondola, making fun of it and calling it a granola. That makes no sense. That was in BAM. Yeah. So project Stargate, or Stargate project, I don't know.
01:26:01
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ah s Stargate comma project. Project Stargate project.
01:26:10
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Project Runway. Stargate Edition. They designed the universe. Is it not a show though? Stargate? I think so. Isn't it like s Stargate Enterprise?
01:26:29
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Starship Enterprise sounds like a thing. I just remember When I was working at, uh, as a server at the hotel slash restaurant bar there, we had a dishwasher. He was schizophrenic. He would sit in the bar and he'd love to watch his sci-fi channel. And I thought it was always Star Kate that he was watching. But now I'm trying to remember if that was like, yeah, like it's when you're watching Star Trek and it's Star Trek. I think there is a Star Kate show. Yeah, I think so. Anyway, I digress. So.
01:27:05
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It's a Stargate project picked up due to rumors that the Russians, always the Russians always if so had a lead in ESP, extrasensory perception, and with the popularity of the psychic Yuri Geller. Yuri, all nice.
01:27:32
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allowingly think i just I just inadvertently drew wrote the Trekkie symbol when I was doodling. lovely Completely nerding out listening. I'm like, Stargate, yeah. so ben All right.
01:27:49
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this yeah I'm focused. Intelligence agencies decided they should investigate and know as much about it as possible.
01:28:03
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So various programs were approved each year and were funded accordingly with reviews being made semi-annually to the Senate and House Select Committee level. So, you know, the Senate was reviewing this stuff four times a year.
01:28:23
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But not telling anyone. I guess annually. They were reviewing it annually. Yeah, they later den denied like that this They don't deny it was a program. They denied it ever was used. But they continued to find this non-used program. first like den Denied, den denied, denied. Yeah, for 20 some years. Sorry. That does seem to be the the reaction of most, oh no, we are never involved. That's the like default of any clandestine like program, secret ops. they're like
01:29:03
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Just make sure, I mean, wasn't I just talking, or um when I did my segment there, where he was like, oh yeah, if you get caught, you have this letter, or like, but if you get caught by those Martian animals, you have this cyanide bill. No, I guess it's a bit different, but. Yeah, nine. Yeah, they're, everything's tight-lipped, exactly. So the mentalist, Yuri Geller, was an ex-Israeli paratrooper and was brought to the Institute for testing Geller had developed a reputation for being able to bend spoons. However, the CIA was more interested in his mind reading and mind control capabilities. Ooh, any relation to Ross and Monica Geller? I do not think so.
01:29:54
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When you're like Israeli, I'm like, wait. Killers! Friends!
01:30:03
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Oh, very cool. Stargate project work primarily involves remote viewing. Remote viewing, or RV, is the ability to obtain information about distant or non-local places, people, objects, or events without using physical senses. It is related to clairvoyance, and is sometimes referred to as second sight.
01:30:30
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Yeah, yes. Very much welcome or akin to like astral projection or scrying when people can spy or see or what's going on somewhere where their body is not much. Remote viewing is also considered a form of non local awareness and may be proved.
01:30:50
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through using the theory of quantum entanglement, which I attempted to Google, and even when I attempted to Google it in layman's terms, I could not do it. So this is my attempt. Not explaining quantum entanglement.
01:31:12
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They don't even try to on the Marvel films, even when they have ones that deal with like the quantum universe, they're like, You guys say quantum too much. That's enough. It literally just said, there's too many quantum like, like facets that you have to understand to be able to explain quantum entanglement in layman's terms. And I was like, lovely. So it's essentially from what I could gather. It's kind of like a theory that particles that are like sharing the same space or similar
01:31:49
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um and things like that they can't be viewed as like separate page pieces so like if they're like side by side and things like that they should be viewed as like one piece because they're like particles are so close together that's kind of what i could figure out i don't know some scientists can add us and explain it i guess but No, I was just, it wasn't like I was sitting here thinking, I'm going to be able to understand this. I was thinking about reading Outlander when they're like, they can go back in time, but a lot of the time they figured they can't go back in their own lifetime. They can't exist in the same time as themselves, but
01:32:35
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they could exist adjacent to. I wondered, I was trying to think if there was like a metaphor or something that I was helping, trying to help my brain understand. That's probably, yeah, like quantum leave, that TV show or whatever. Yeah. Ooh, all I can think of now is Marvel and Ant-Man. I'm sorry. Yeah. Let's let's get Paul Rudd on the show and he can explain quantum entanglement with Mark Ruffalo.
01:33:04
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ah oh my god them and they can explain quantum to entanglement to us. It'll be great.
01:33:13
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Right, we can just tell them to pay them. We're a really famous podcast. And we have a really large listener base. And we just want to interview you. Don't look us up. Don't look us up.
01:33:29
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there
01:33:32
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I was listening to a bit of Smart List today, again, with Jason Bateman and Will Arnett and And they're super funny comedians, ah like comedic actors mostly, but, o you know, as it were. And then they're like, they they always refer to their listener singular. They're like, okay, all right, that's it. We lost our listener. All right, Tracy and Will Arnett is gone. I like that.
01:34:02
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Yeah, me too. ah So I have some terms and definitions for types of remote viewing. These aren't really relevant, but because they're not brought up ever again, but I just thought it was kind of fun. They're not are relevant. Definitely not. but So the viewer is the one who views because of course they are.
01:34:29
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I felt like that didn't need a definition, but it was in the the thing I copied it from, so why not include it? Hey, you never know. We don't want to assume anyone's knowledge. The target or target site is the place that's going to be accessed.
01:34:50
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So the coordinates can be in the form of letters or numbers or symbols um that can be connected to find the target.
01:35:02
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associative remote viewing or ARV is done by associating something easy to view with something more difficult to view. Don't know what that means, gonna leave it at that.
01:35:18
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Extended remote viewing or ERV, the viewer lies down on a bed, couch or recliner, while a skilled hypnotist or monitor interviews the viewer about the targets.
01:35:34
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Oh, like yeah ERV therapy. I guess you lay down on a coach or bed or a recliner. Get that lazy boy. Get the lazy boy in a hip. comist your therapy ah Yeah. A combination of like therapy and like a bomb yeah coordinates and a target and the trajectory perhaps.
01:35:59
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very Yeah. Okay. There is controlled remote viewing or CRV. And that is the method designed to help the viewer separate true psychic perception from imagination. As thoughts come in, CRV allows you to organize them. It also uses ideograms, symbols that the viewer develops to connect to various aspects of the target site. That I'm also going to leave at that.
01:36:31
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Okay, but I still think that sounds a little different than astral projection where you could say as in the case of that behind her eyes show and book, like someone else's body when they're unconscious because you're astral projecting into yeah this is more like on somebody would like sit down and be like, Okay, this person's been kidnapped. We think they're being held somewhere. Try and like or that we think they're being like held in this general area, and try and connect like to that area and see if you can like sense or like feel anything.
01:37:14
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Yeah, it's not trying to jump into other people or anything, I think. I don't think they ever did anything like that.
01:37:25
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Pat was like finally intrigued by that series though. He was like, man, I really don't like this husband guy. He was like, the wife isn't that bad. And then he like, it's like finally at the end you find those because like, it's not really his wife. That's always been someone else's wife's body. I haven't watched the series yet, but I- Did you do an adaptation? I recognized a couple of the actors in it. so I was looking forward to it. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
01:37:57
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Yeah, yeah, not bad. The next section is I'm going to teach you in one, two, three, four, five, six, seven bullet points how to do some basic remote viewing techniques.
01:38:14
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So you get into a clear space through meditation and remote viewing is successful and possible with a settled mind. You are given coordinates for a location.
01:38:27
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You may tune in with eyes open or closed or open to draw on a piece of paper and then close your eyes to tune into that piece of paper. You are asked to describe the location without interpreting it.
01:38:46
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ah Do not attempt to identify the target or the place. write everything down and pay attention to sensory and dimensional information in your mental images.
01:39:00
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So that's some techniques. All right. I don't know. It's something interesting I found in one of the articles I was reading I thought was kind of cool. Along with the definition. No, it is. I was like listening like I'm hanging on every word like, okay, this is the stuff I already do. like you can It's hard because you almost can't teach someone to be in tune to their ah gut or their like surroundings. like I don't know. You definitely have to work at it. Your gut feeling and like instincts about like people and places and situations is like one of the most important things like you can ever like figure out.
01:39:47
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Remember cuz Taylor had me read ah the fear, the gift of fear. Like that's what her mom made her when she left the house. I read that too. I borrowed it from her. Don't help that guy. Yeah, but it's true though. Sometimes it's like, it's very much like what they say on, you know, some of the OG podcasts, like my favorite murder where they're like, stay sexy, don't get murdered, like fuck politeness if it means you don't hold the door open for someone in your apartment that you don't know. Like that's okay. Like it may be, you know, if you don't get killed, like that might be worth it if someone thinks you're an asshole. Yeah. Cause even like, yeah, exactly. And like an apartment building, you pulling the door closed behind you so that the other person has to use a key to get in. And you're just even protected by that single like section of glass could mean like so much.
01:40:44
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yeah like Yeah, you never know. And you could be like, okay, like I'll call the super or whatever and let you in. But like, if it's late at night, and you don't recognize that person, like they should have their own key. They're pretty responsible for that. Really though, yeah unfortunately. yeah Although I was talking to today about how 200 years ago, it was so different in that regard where like,
01:41:11
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if you didn't have enough room in your bag to take home your purchases, like someone might send them along for you. Like, okay, maybe that does happen in this day and age, but the only place I know where that happens is Disney World. Cause we'll send it to your hotel. Cause it's all one complex. Nowhere else would you trust someone to send the things you bought home for you with like a messenger. Like it's just like, it's just the same thing used over the years. Yeah, it would probably just go through like the general mail or something if they were going to offer that at all.
01:41:43
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Exactly. So, extra sensory perception, or ESP, are senses that go beyond the typical five senses of taste, touch, sight, smell, and hearing. It is sometimes referred to as a sixth sense, and there is more than one form of ESP.
Spoilers and Historical Events
01:42:06
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And yes, the sixth sense.
01:42:13
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ah so Yeah. Yeah. First Willis. Spoiler or not spoiler because it's been how many years? He's dead the whole time. Oh my god. How many times have they told that one? Yeah. I don't think you can like do a spoiler on a movie that's like over a year old. I don't think that counts.
01:42:35
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that My brother laughed a little at your spoiler and was assassinated or whatever. I was like, good. It's funny. You know, it did a little chuckle, a little bit of a knee slapper. Young Gen Z kid out there that isn't been taught proper history in public school. That was like, what?
01:43:09
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You know, it's weird because it's like, it's almost like they do teach the more ah sensational things almost. And where you learn about the government for like six years in a row and never remember anything, but you never get to learn about anything cool. Like Lincoln's assassination.
01:43:30
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ah We learn lots about America. They don't learn a lot about our history. No. yeah Yes, he includes but is not limited to clairvoyance, which is seeing the future. Claire audience has to do with sound.
01:43:54
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Oh, or people watching people watching Claire have the audience.
01:44:00
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but I'm sorry, because a lot of times Claire, an outlander, pretends she's a seer because she knows the future because she's a time traveler. coming So the like, a lot of times people think she's a witch and other times the only thing she has to explain it is like, if you can understand it, I'm like a seer. I know you should probably plant potatoes or you're gonna starve. Anyway, that was a potato famine.
01:44:30
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Well, in this case, you told some of our Scottish brethren because they didn't have any potatoes planted there, but anyway. So there's also clairsentience, which has to do with feelings.
01:44:45
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Yeah. Feelings? Like Mantis? Like Mantis from Guardians of the Galaxy? So they, instead of being able to like see things, they can like sense feelings.
01:45:01
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Yeah. Like an empath. Like over really long distances. Cause again, this is still ESP. It's supposed to be over like non-local distances.
01:45:15
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Which is interesting. You could attribute that to some twins that have like felt each other's pain. So there's also claircognizance, which is acquiring knowledge without knowing how you know it.
01:45:30
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Yeah. There's telepathy, which is reading minds. Telekinesis, which is moving objects with your mind, and teleportation, which an article I found listed as not proven or common. Out of the list of all the other things, that was the only thing that had a bracket saying not proven or common. Yes. Wait, teleportation? Yeah.
01:45:58
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umma You have to reign in my parade. yeah At least from this program. I mean, I'll preface that this program did not focus on teleportation.
01:46:15
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ah hey i'm I'm willing to believe that, ah prepared to believe that there's probably more going on than ah they like to tell us, but maybe not all as much as we'd like to invent.
Speculation on Alien Life
01:46:28
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Sometimes it's boring. Sorry, I don't know. like First your bubble. Sometimes it's just boring and the government just spent millions of dollars on something stupid.
01:46:41
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But sometimes it's also hard to believe that we have all this technology in smartphones and this and that and like, yeah, we wouldn't be trying to, ah what is it called?
01:46:52
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re engineer, like, um is when there's like crashes of spaceships, and they take the spaceships, and then they try and do that, like, figure out how they add have their ships work engineering, not re engineering. I don't think the thank you. Thank you. Exactly. Yeah, it's like, the heck, like, I don't know, I kind of like, and or like people that don't acknowledge the fact that there's so many worlds out there that like the possibility is pretty fucking high. You know what I mean? Like that we would have intelligent life. I just think that's something that we all could talk about. I don't know. Even if they don't look like people, they aren't going to look like people because they don't have the same atmosphere and like
01:47:41
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matter as Earth does. Like, so they're never going to look like us. Right. But, but they get us. There was one where they some some more, some girl is like, her second time experiencing like being close contact with aliens. And she was like, Oh my God. He was like, we know of your God. We know him too.
01:48:02
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or something but or Yeah, we'll have to do an alien abduction episode one time. I feel like that would be really funny. so Yeah. Yeah. Wait, funny. Oh, I wouldn't pick a funny case. I have some cases that I think are very, very credible. And I would probably watch the program that had one that was backed up by like eight different sets of people, including somebody in the government and the person's bought two bodyguards that witnessed somebody floating
01:48:42
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out of an apartment building. Yeah, and it was like all these oh wow like reported police within like 10 minutes. So it was like corroborated by like four different groups of people that didn't know each other across like a couple city blocks.
01:49:03
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Yes, those are the types of cases that make me think yeah, like these are more credible where there's multiple witnesses and they all report without knowing each other and stuff like that. Yeah, ah that's the shit that gets me. But anyway, I i could go on for a rant.
Podcast Roles and Patreon Promotion
01:49:20
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I mean, maybe I'm maybe i'm more of a molder to your Scully sometimes. In case you haven't noticed, I'm the true crime, more of the true crime half. And she's the lore half, more so the podcast.
01:49:40
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It's so funny because I do consider myself quite a like, you know, pragmatic, logical, can be quite skeptical person. You know what I mean? So it's kind of funny because like, yeah, it's just like the things our minds wants to believe. I'm like, I believe that's because they're very plausible. and continue on Because I have a lot more. so This episode is gonna be four hours long.
01:50:12
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Oh god, our Patreons have a lot to live up donate to. But at least one person gets to listen to it. Your sister. Your sister has to listen. We'll shout out our first. I heard him do that on this one. I listened to a Scottish guy. He does myths or mirths and monsters. And I was listening to an older episode, and he was like, yeah, let like I did start a Patreon. Oh my gosh, it's not a Jackson.
01:50:44
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ah My first Patreon, I'd like to thank her. And I was like, oh my gosh. But yes, you we will. Put this in an episode somewhere. If somebody hasn't joined Patreon because of episode three, maybe when we upload episode four,
01:51:00
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we we'll put in episode four maybe that if you join Patreon when we talked about this we'll explain it about podcasts having one listener that they keep referencing and be like we just lost our listener soand- so-and-so or I wonder what listener so-and-so thinks if you want to be that listener join Patreon and we will write your name down and he will only ever be that listener you win
01:51:32
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the listener I do like I do like it when you get quotes from a certain episode kind of out of context and they're really funny. Like if you do you follow wine and crime on Instagram. Pretty much just click through Instagram stories really quickly.
01:51:52
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No, it's just, have you seen that they'll be like, they'll post yeah maybe like a clip from their episode that'll be like a quick quote. Yeah. And it's kind of like a teaser. You're like, what the hell are they talking about? It's out of context. It's funny. And they're, um, they do it like more audio wise and now cause they have videos, but like another, um, podcasts that I looked at because they follow us. sorry but I can't remember their cloud right now. I'm sorry, but I was like, okay, cool.
01:52:20
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Um, and then, uh, yeah, they did the kind of same kind of thing, but they had like quotes written out in like bubble talk, like comic style of like different quotes from their upcoming episode. And I kind of liked that shit because I was like, Oh, we should do that for like the episode that just came out. Um, okay. I think I want to say it was from your curse because Oh, you said something really funny and I was like that. Oh yeah. I don't know how a door handles work for old-timey keys work.
01:52:55
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How'd you know? I thought it was funny thinking of context. I don't know how old-timey keys work. I don't know how old-timey keys work. And then I clarified after you explained it all and I said, OK, I was right. I don't understand how these keys work.
01:53:15
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I was like, wait, I don't think we were ever that confused. It's like kind of like like a modern door handles that have a lock in the door. And and when I got confused about the age as a victim and thought and it was like 50 years older than he was for like the an entire hour.
Stargate Project and Psychic Abilities
01:53:34
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Well,
01:53:35
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The Stargate Project ran from ready the 1970s until 1995 and employed psychics who were trained in remote viewing and participated in operations ranging from local kidnapped hostages to finding fugitives within the United States. In 1985, the allegedly remote viewed to Mars to gather information.
01:54:00
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Yeah. Ooh, that's how it's in. Mine has a planet visit as well.
01:54:11
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Mine just doesn't have Obama on the planet and with you. No, and we don't have any listeners on Mars. Hello, Mars. Anchor, Chelsea, if you have listeners on Mars, and we have zero, so.
01:54:27
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We just give you a shout out, so hopefully after this episode, you guys will recognize. I've talked to one of us, so we can talk about it on the podcast. The Stargate project created a set of protocols designed to make the research of clairvoyance and out-of-body experiences more scientific, as well as to minimize, as much as possible, session noise and inaccuracy.
01:54:50
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The term remote viewing emerged as shorthand to describe this more structured approach to clairvoyance. And Project Stargate would only receive a mission after all other intelligence attempts, methods, or approaches had already been exhausted.
01:55:10
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Yeah. Interesting. So they're in favor of um experimenting with clairvoyance rather than yeah, I don't know trying to keep it all secret. Yeah, so I have some information about a few of the people that were involved in it. It's kind of just like brief stuff about a couple of the main ones. So Ingo Swan is one of the people involved. He was ah
01:55:46
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psychic best known for his research and development in the field of remote viewing. He teamed up with Harold Puthoff. I think that's how you pronounce his name. I'm not sure. And Puthoff.
01:56:01
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ah off And Russell Tarj to create the Stanford Institute of Remote Viewing and later the CIA's Stargate Project. So a Swan was born in Colorado in 1933 and first remembers leaving his body at the age of three years old during an operation to remove his tonsils. So that's quite young to like have such vivid memories. Wow.
01:56:32
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Exactly. I think you're barely forming memories at that point. So he said that he could see butterfly lights around people, plants, and animals, which he later learned was actually auras. and yeah so at oh yeah butterfly light yeah well that's cute he's like is he like little 11th he's trying to do things or is he seeing things on his own did i miss where he's being experimented on these are just
01:57:08
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I couldn't find like anything about experiments. These people went through like tests and stuff like that. But as far as I can tell, it wasn't anything like were bad or anything like that. So at age nine, Swan believed that he had remotely traveled to the Milky Way and was famous for claiming that he sent his consciousness to Jupiter ahead of NASA's Voyager probe. But During this, he was able to describe many of the planet's features that at the time were not known to the public. So at nine, he oh properly described Jupiter enough that it was not known to the public, like be described at nine years old.
01:58:04
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It certainly isn't somewhere that the Pegasus project jumps to either. They've been to Mars, but not Jupiter. Probably eating some cereal and was like, I'm going to visit the Milky Way tonight. That is weird.
01:58:23
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Isn't that a chocolate bar in the States? He was probably just hungry. It's like a Mars bar. So Russell, Targe, another involved.
01:58:34
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was a physicist at SRI that researched to help prove if yeah ESP was real, together with Feli, Feli, fellow, fellow colleague, physicist, engineer, and a parapsychologist, Harold Puthoff.
01:58:59
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Now you got me thinking about Sally's. like like celebrations from the the hockey guy talk from Letter Kenny. but but Or as they, when the girls talk, they call it like hockey bunny talk. Go puck bunny, yay, yay, yay. For Sally's boys. But even, I'm sorry, we're Canadian. I think we had a beer commercial or an NHL commercial even say something about Sally's. It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what you call celebrations.
01:59:32
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Same as like football guys do, you know, to get a touchdown. It's a little dance. It's, or it's a little like, you know, roam around the ice to like slap everyone's hand. Anyway. Him and Harold Cluthoff surrounded up several psychics and began testing them. Cluthoff directed a CIA funded program at an SRI to investigate paranormal abilities.
01:59:59
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And he worked with Russell Tarj in a study of the psychic abilities of Yuri Geller, Ingo Swan, Pat Price, Joseph McMoneagle, all as part of the Stargate Project. And Russell Tarj also ended up having a connection to the Church of Scientology, which I did not explore further.
02:00:24
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Yeah. Ooh! My eyebrows just shot up. Yeah, immediately. Distrust.
02:00:38
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oh I mean, okay. It might not all be bad. I don't know. The Stargate Project was overseen until 1987 by Lieutenant Frederick Holmes Skip Atwater, an aide and psychic headhunter.
02:00:57
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to Major General Albert Stubblebein, I liked his name, Stubblebein, and later president of the Monroe Institute. The unit was small scale, comprising of about 15 to 20 individuals and was run out of an old leaky wooden barrack. I thought it was great. So the potentially stargate project is just 20 people in an old leaky building.
02:01:27
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for 25 years.
02:01:34
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I mean, who knows which project's gonna catch on. They can't all have Google style workplaces. Promote viewing was attempted with the results being kept secret from the viewer. It was thought that if the viewer was shown that they were incorrect, it would damage the viewer's confidence and skill.
02:01:55
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This was standard operating procedure throughout many of the years of military and domestic remote viewing programs. Feedback to the remote viewer of any kind was rare. It was often kept classified in secret from them.
02:02:11
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And believers of the research said a minimum accuracy rate of 65% required by the clients was often exceeded in their later experiments. Claimed, quote, 65%.
02:02:25
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ah And yeah, one of the project successes was the location of a lost Soviet spy plane in 1976 by a Rosemary Smith, who was a young administrative assistant that was recruited by project director Dale Graf.
02:02:45
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So in 1984, the existence of the program was reported by Jack Anderson. And in that year, it was unfavorably received by the National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council, two nationals in that name. The National Academy of Sciences, National Research Council. Yeah.
02:03:14
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Right. So just in case you forgot, it's the US.
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Assistant to the regional manager. In 1985, the army funding was terminated. um But the program was redesignated Sunstreak and was funded by the Defense Intelligence Agency's Scientific ah and Technical Intelligence Directorate.
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Got that all up. Too many words. Oh. They were on it. So in 1995, after a CIA report concluded that it was never useful in any intelligence operation and that information provided that by the program was vague and included irrelevant and erroneous data,
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And there was reason to suspect that its project managers had changed the reports so that they would fit background cues. The Stargate project had been terminated and had cost the government $20 million. dollars
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Were they like, we should have just watched Star Trek. So Oh no! it was no yeah It was reported that at peak manpower there were over 22 active military and civilian remote viewers providing data. People leaving the project were never replaced and when the project closed in 1995 this number had dwindled down to three people.
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you get
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Really? What about Sense 8? What about you think about that show? Was that based on the real thing? like glo I said the show Sense 8. How much do you think that could be based on some of the real life experiments? They probably did so much in the past for like telekinesis and like people being psychically linked and all that stuff. Yeah.
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So even though the Stargate Project is shuttered, the US government continued the investigation and research into psychic work. In 2014, the Office of Naval Research launched a multi-million dollar four year research program to study the use of premonition and intuition. They fondly named the project Spidey Sense. Oh yeah. Yeah. What? Really?
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And that was in 2014. And so they're still doing it. I mean, this was only seven years ago that they funded a multimillion dollar four year program.
02:06:17
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Yeah. 2014. I mean, yeah, that's that would be even the current Spider-Man, Tom Holland. ah We know how good he is at keeping secrets.
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very
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Sorry. Listen to our podcast. I love you. ah
02:06:39
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Oh, my God. That's crazy. So the CIA was forced to release thousands of documents, including the information on the Stargate Project. Despite this, the government continues to deny that they actively used psychics in military operations.
02:06:59
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yeah Deny, den i deny, deny, deny. Of course. so We would never do anything fun. How dare we have fun.
02:07:17
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It's, yeah, oh, so tight-lipped. We just, we can't admit to doing anything. I feel, because remember I almost talked about it a little bit earlier where I was like, yeah, and the Bill Clinton,
02:07:29
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asked about aliens and I thought Barack Obama did too. And yeah, they both did, but it's like, you know, it'll only be famous because people don't ever say anything. We know, we know the US government knows more than what they're saying yeah to the presidents or the whole world. That's all. So are you ready for the second part? This is my shorter.
02:07:52
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yes and My second part, I'll explain how it's all going to the end. The second part is the called the first look at the challenge. Have you heard of this either? I'm a winner. I found two that you didn't hear. ah No. And it's the only two. Right. And like, it's hard to impress some people. My sister is like, Oh, I know all the true crime cases kind of not like that. But
02:08:24
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she's like yeah nice to hear something that people don't know about and amy two secret government projects i know about they were literally my only options
02:08:36
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i just Oh, yeah, exactly. I did not know a lot going into listening to podcasts and stuff. I was like, sure, I know secret government projects. And then I'm like, wait, no, no, I don't. There's so many. earth butow yeah I love this. I love it so much.
First Earth Battalion and Military Vision
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So the first earth battalion was founded by Jim who spent time in the 1970s with many of the people in California credited with starting the human potential movement, and subsequently wrote an operation manual called the First Earth Battalion. And I will, in the email I sent you with like a few pictures and my sources for Patreon, there is a link to the full manual.
02:09:33
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which I have a couple of things, little experts that I'm going to read from just the first couple of pages, but I clicked through even just to look at the pictures. It's hilarious. I love it.
02:09:48
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I'll read it to me. Maybe then I will have to click and ah ruin my poor search history even more. know
02:09:56
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oh The manual is 125 page mixture of drawings, graphs, maps, essays, and point by point redesigns of every aspect of military life. It was originally passed from officer to officer via photocopy and has since become something of a collector's item.
02:10:20
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In it, Shannon imagined a new battlefield uniform that would include pouches for ginseng regulators, divining tools, foodstuffs to enhance night vision, and a loudspeaker that would automatically emit, and I quote, indigenous music and words of peace. Shannon adopted the term warrior monk for potential members of the first earth battalion.
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yeah
02:10:53
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It all sounds good, but I'm i'm not sure. Just someone trying to reenact someone else's culture, it sounds like. oh No, that's never a good idea. Could be the principal moral and ethical basis on which politics could harmonize in the name of the Earth. He declared that the first Earth's battalion's primary allegiance was to planet Earth.
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Shannon envisioned that the First Earth Battalion would organize itself informally. It would have uniforms without uniformity, structure without status, and unity powered by diversity. And members would be multicultural with each race contributing to rainbow power.
02:11:44
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This sounds like something someone wrote for someone who wants to sound the wokest. Well, this was the 70s. There was a lot of drugs. I'm like, fun who? What? I attempted to watch this gentleman, Jim Shannon. He's still live. He has a YouTube channel, ah which I watched a couple of videos of. I attempted to watch a TED talk, which the first five minutes was him just like losing his mind on stage. And I couldn't even sit through it. I was like,
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And everybody in the like comments was like, oh, this guy's so cool. And I like couldn't even get through a couple minutes of it. It was like horrible. His YouTube videos weren't bad when he was just talking like that. It was nice. Yeah.
02:12:30
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that can be different yeah sometimes an audience can make who have a different overall feeling of what you're going to get as a guiding principle that members of the first Italian seek non-destructive methods of conflict resolution because their first loyalty is to the planet
02:12:48
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So in his YouTube videos, um, so the real story of the first earth battalion can be found on his YouTube video. Part one is on his YouTube part two. He took off or somebody reported and it got taken off from YouTube, but it is actually on daily motion. If you want to watch it, um, which is where I found part two.
02:13:09
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So information I got from part one and two is that Jim Channon explains that the First Earth Battalion was started out of necessity to help soldiers operate in teens and be more awake and present on the battlefield, and to help bring to light how soldiers were often mistreated and abused on the battlefield. In this manual, he offered an alternative way of operating. He states that his teachings would be useful during firefights,
02:13:35
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if soldiers were able to speak tell telepathically to one another, as well as using meditation to steal the mind and relieve stress, if a soldier happened to be stuck underground due to a nuclear bomb blast while awaiting radiation levels to return to safe amounts. Those were two examples he laid out in his YouTube video.
02:14:01
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Wow. Yeah, those were really the only few contingency plans. The rest of it was just kind of background information that I've already said. Okay.
02:14:15
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I immediately feel less prepared as a person. A lot of it was like a bomb blast and stuff. They were worried because they it was the 1970s. They were coming out of Vietnam and all that kind of stuff.
02:14:30
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so they were worried about that yeah which is i hate to say it's like part of some of america's game and north america's game about getting into wars and stuff they're like always got to have an enemy because if we don't have a war or something, then we can't like make money off of all these different things that come with it. So in this video, Shannon also states that i a hippie um only just within the last few years has the army actively looked into bringing yoga, meditation, or even breathing exercises into training at the ah surgeon general's office and other places in the military.
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and it's still being viewed as kind of like hokey and strange and unnecessary.
02:15:22
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her That's just toxic masculinity. I have the table of contents here of the first earth battalion. So it says the warrior monk's vision So changing values, personal evolution, evolutionary teamwork, ethical combat, earthwork, and then just the resources.
02:15:51
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on Another one here is I think this is the second page. They're kind of listed weird. It's like actually two pages per page on the manual link I found.
02:16:07
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So it outlines some tactics. So it's a new approach to personal development in harmony with planetary evolution. The technology that works to create a whole human being and guidelines for the evolution of a planetary citizen.
02:16:29
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Yeah. Well, let us in. And action for the local evolutionary unit. ah New perspectives on the use of force, the use of international TV satellite systems to influence the planetary collective conscious and world's public opinion, as well as other alternatives to the arms race. And ends on the note that if armies are no longer required, they look at the dream. When humanity works with nature, paradise appears.
02:17:09
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Yeah, so in the dedication, like that, I can't remember which page this was on, I think it was one of the first few. says the Earth Battalion declares its primary allegiance to the people and planet. You can become part of but that allegiance right where you are by simply allowing the exquisite human being inside to come out. When it's out, help others to come out and then work together cooperatively to stay out, building the paradise that is possible when we cooperate with each other and with our mother, the Earth. That sounds all nice.
02:17:47
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Aw. Yeah, that's not part of our book. I know I like it. Yeah, First Earth Battalion and how it all comes together is both the Stargate Project and the First Earth Battalion are featured in one of my absolute favorite movies that was adapted from a book in 2004. The film was in 2009 and both are entitled The Men Who Stare at Goats.
02:18:17
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Oh, I was like, what? I should maybe know this from the description. Yeah, that was a whole George Clooney Matt Damon.
02:18:30
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ah most men and I recently forced my boyfriend to watch. He thought it was hilarious. yeah Like there's multiple points I've seen it dozens of times. There's multiple points I still get tears in my eyes from laughing at. Ridiculous. So do yourself a favor and watch it.
02:18:47
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Even just for George Clooney explaining to Ewan McGregor how to do sparklies. And it's pretty much like if you watch um the Jumanji movie and they do that look, but Rock has that look. This is George Clooney doing that, but he calls it sparklies.
02:19:10
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Yeah. The smolder, but it's sparkly eyes. And he also explains how to be cloud bursting, where you stare at a cloud until it dissolves. It's great. Yeah. So the.
02:19:27
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No, but that made me think of something. well um The movie is starring George Clooney, Ewan McGregor, Jeff Bridges, and Kevin Spacey. So Jeff Bridges is the one that um is essentially based off of Jim Shannon. Kevin Spacey is on one of the subjects in the Stargate. and They essentially just combined both like things into one like program and called it um something different.
02:20:03
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Uh, George Clooney is one of the people that was in there. Um, that was kind of like one of the higher ranking guys, but he wasn't like one of the ones in charge. And even McGregor, um, portrays a journalist that hears about this, um, or is trying to go in to interview the front lines at like, um, a war. And he ends up running into George Clooney, his character who is like undercover.
02:20:34
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on and stuff, and he ends up teaching him all about this stuff. um It's really good. So the movie fictionalized the First Earth Battalion, renamed it as the New Earth Army. So the movie, The Man Whosteric Goats, looks at the government's use of psychic spies. And although some of the cases were embellished, the majority have roots in actual events.
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The movie is based on the nonfiction book by Colonel John B. Alexander, who was a Special Forces commander in Vietnam and promoted the use of psychics as remote viewers in the name of national security. He even claimed that the military was employing witches to do palmistry, use crystal balls, and other methods to gather information and make predictions.
02:21:25
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And that's the end of my thing. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. I didn't even realize that. That wasn't my best episode. So, drum roll.
02:21:41
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We're covering the The witches. There, so. episode oh It's going to come out in between our hotel episodes. You already I would guess you have already heard that episode. And it'll be before witches, so. Mm-hmm. Yes, but we're focusing on our patron, right? We've actually, you guys just got like a three over three hour long episode. That shit matters. Our longest episode to date.
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Woo! I mean, we love Anchor, but it's a free thing. And because we're Canadian, we're not allowed to have any sponsorships through them. So we're really hoping that our Patreon. or so But obviously, if you're listening to this, then you're already on it. And we love you for that. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, the shout outs are coming.
02:22:54
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And if we only have one or two, well, then we're going to have some fun with your name. We're going to make your name into a song, but it'll just be the name game song. Yeah. You know the name games? It's one of our, I go Alana Banana P5. Really? Alana. We'll just do that with everybody's name. And they'll love it. And they'll send their donations. No, my God. They'll take it back for donations.
02:23:24
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I could agree with that for a while. That's easy right now, seeing as we don't have any. We'll pretend we have Patreon supporters, even though people can view how many Patreon supporters we have. We'd like to thank Sam and John. True, right? Yeah. I know we are going to. I've had a couple of takers. I'm telling you. I'm like, no.
02:23:51
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I will talk about that, but I won't, because I'll have to hear my Patreon episode. I've said that to people.
02:23:59
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Yeah. All right. I have the name. OK.
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