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255- Are drones anti-vegan, or pro-animal-rights?
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Drones freak out animals in ways that probably most of us don't realise...and they've helped highlight atrocities against animals, nudging the dial towards a vegan world much more quickly. So what should our stance be on them, as vegans? And what policies should follow?
In this episode of Vegan Talk, Mark, Rich & Ant discuss all things drone vs animal, using an article from Wild Beim Wild as a starting point: https://wildbeimwild.com/en/impact-of-drones-on-wildlife/
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Introduction to Vegan Talk and Episode Overview
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Hello everyone. Now, are drones the latest attack on the autonomous rights of animals? Well, I'm Anthony and for this discussion, this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Mark and Rich to discuss that very thing.
Vegan Activism and Stereotypes
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So I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble. That's not what butter's used for. Brrrr! Take your lab grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida.
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Should I call the medium and say, hi, sorry. True education.
Youth Awareness of Animal Brutality
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The younger generation are getting to know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things.
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What is this? What kind of movie is this? It's comedy gold. Any form of social...
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As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns, you'll be all right. Does veganism give him superpowers?
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I cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hello, I'm Richard. Thanks everyone for being here. And thanks for listening to this episode of Vegan
Podcast Structure and Previous Episodes
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Talk.
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Hi everyone, this is Mark here. And Vegan Talk is where we talk about one specific issue and analyse it between the three of us. Previous episodes from Enough of the Falafel are available in your podcast feed. Indeed. Just scroll back. There's loads of these, like our our Vegan Week shows that we do each week. They're focusing on the last seven days news. So realistically...
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unless you're a real vegan nerd like me, you might not be wanting to tune into six months ago's vegan news. However, these vegan talk shows, we've got nearly three years of these and they don't really go out of date. So if you're quite new to us or just been with us for a year, you can go back and listen to some of those. I sometimes listen back to ones that I've already heard.
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They're quite nice conversations, especially with lovely people like Mark and Richard talking. So we are picking a topic and we are doing what we often do and giving it a bit of a focus through an article to get us going. We're talking about
Main Topic Introduction: Drones and Wildlife
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drones, those flying, buzzing things that are generally attached to a camera, giving new footage that perhaps we wouldn't be able to access previously without the assistance of a helicopter.
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Very fancy bit of modern technology, and they're generally affordable. too So the masses can now get interesting viewpoints, literally, that maybe 20 years ago they weren't able to. But what impact does it have on wildlife? That is the question. Before we look at the article that has been our stimulus for this topic, I'm just going to ask Richard and Mark and I'll weigh in myself just on general opinions on this topic before we'd read the article. So, Rich, did did you have like a gut feeling about your your feeling about drones and particularly with an animal rights feeling before we discuss this? Before
Are Drones the Only Threat to Wildlife?
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discussing this, what came to my mind instantly was like, why are focusing on drones and not other things that might be even more harmful for animals? And why, for example, we say, oh, this might be very bad, but we allow fireworks, which can be devastating for many birds. Why we, it just came instinct instinctively to my mind, why we criticize drones.
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but we allow other activities. And, you know, like saying poor birds, and after we we have farmed chicken. So that that's what came into my mind first, if I'm honest. Yeah, absolutely fair. Absolutely fair. Yeah. And that's something we'll get into, I'm sure. Mark, what about you? do you you Are you pro-drone or do they make you your skin crawl?
Drones' Impact on Wildlife
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when ah When I saw the headline, I thought, oh yeah, it seems really obvious that a bird's going to be freaked out by bird-like, bird-sized drones suddenly appearing really ah out of the blue. ah Birds have been around for about 155 million years. and they haven't had to deal with mechanical alternatives appearing everywhere. So it was like, it's it seems obvious now that I've seen the headline or before I read the article that, yes, these are going to be at least very confusing to bird life around the world when they see these mechanical birds buzzing everywhere.
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Yeah, I
Mixed Feelings about Drones
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will say that I am a typically contradictory, hypocritical person in that I work in ah a woodland, as many of you know, it's it's quite secluded, but in the middle of a city. And it's a lovely escape for folk and probably once or twice a month,
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we will hear drones going back and forth over the top of us buzzing away with the devices that keep them airborne because there is somebody who parks up just by our woodland and sends the drones out over the top of our woodland and then keeps going over the rest of the city and they fly out to Worcester Racecourse And they film the horse racing and live stream it, as far as I'm aware, to places like Saudi Arabia. And they will they will take bets on on the horse racing going on. and And so it's doubly insidious. And I hate it. i hate the thought that we're in this secluded place. And then we're potentially being spied upon. I know they're not actually spying on us. They're spying on ah on something
00:05:39
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far more horrible but i don't like that i don't like being disturbed in the piece i think i do can have concern about animals that it can impact and the hypocrisy comes in because i bloody love a travel video where someone's gone out into the lake district or the iberian peninsula or the dolomites or it's somewhere beautiful in the world and it does these stunning smooth videos with a drone. i can I can watch it for days. I'll sometimes just put them on in the background of an evening. I'll just chill out reading a book and have that in the background. So I'm a completely complex and hypocritical human with regards to that. So
Wilderbeinwild Article Review
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We have been focusing on an article from a website called Wilderbeinwild. We have commented on their stuff before. These guys do a lot of work on behalf of animals. It's mostly focused on, well as the name suggests, the wild. A lot of focus on anti-hunting stuff. As far as I can tell, it is based in Switzerland, this organization. But they're prolific. They are releasing articles research almost daily. So they've got a kind of similar feel to, say, the Hunt Saboteurs in terms of like the angle that they're going on, ah but it's based in Switzerland. And so we've got slightly different context and a different tone. Don't fall into the trap that Richard did. You can click on the top right of the screen and you can change the language. Richard took out a yeah a course in a quick quick German in order to ah read
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read this week's article. I'm joking. But yeah, you can translate things into several languages. They've got this story that we've linked in the show notes called The Impact of Drones on Wildlife. You can read it now if you want to. I'll
Research on Drones Disturbing Wildlife
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quickly summarise it. So they're focusing on the fact that since 2017, there has been more research conducted on the impact on wildlife of these drones. And they focus on the fact that Yes, there are obvious things where animals are being disturbed by drones, but then there's also ways in which we might not realize that an animal is being triggered because it's not flying off, but actually it's still stressed. It's got an increased heart rate or it's it's changing its behavior because of it.
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In terms of things that seem to be particularly problematic for, it it seems to be birds that they're focusing on. I couldn't see much where they're focusing on on anything else. Short distances and low flight altitudes significantly increase the likelihood of an escape reaction from an animal. So if there's a long distance distance,
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drone that's that's going in just a straight line and you can hear it coming from a long way away that seems to be less problematic for an animal as opposed to one where you can almost hear it rev up and then it's it's coming quite close to you it's at a relatively low altitude again might sound obvious but a drone flying directly at an animal so a direct approach appears to be more threatening than a sidewise sideways or steady flyby. Obviously, the noise, the speed, and the size of the drone increases stress reaction.
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And this last point I thought was interesting. Colonies, resting places, Reed belts, hedges, and rock faces are particularly sensitive areas as many birds react there simultaneously or breeding grounds are affected so that the the stress that could be caused to an animal could be secondary. it's not They're not hearing or noticing the drone, but they're reacting to another animal's reaction. Obviously, the implications for for birds, um breeding season, energy loss, things like that are
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are an important factor. They do mention in the article the benefits of drones in terms of nature photography, research, and that actually being less invasive than, say, a human being or several human beings going into an area. And interfering in that way. And we've already mentioned hunt saboteurs, but certainly the use of drones has changed the picture there. And it finishes with regards to Switzerland's particular context. So basically, you have to make sure you're not going to interfere with animals before you set off your drone flight. You
Pros and Cons of Drones in Wildlife Context
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need to check that there are no restrictions and things like that. So it seems like it's relatively well policed.
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Mark, if we can come to you first, your response to this article and just your kind of, I don't know, your if if they if it's any different, what's your current position then on on the use of drones and and the effect on animals? is it Is it kind of small fry really? Or do you think this is a big deal that we need to take action on? Oh, no, I think it's this is a massive deal. It's something that I'd i'd never given any consideration to at all prior to reading this article. And you mentioned the Hunsabs a few times talking there, Anthony. And my previous experience with ah drones has been the drone footage gathered by Hunsabateurs in order to secure prosecutions against foxhunts in particular in the UK, where they can prove that the the hunt are purposely hunting a wild animal.
00:11:16
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by using drones so up to reading this article i've always considered them to be a benefit to the animal rights cause i do know people in the south island in new zealand who similarly use drones to gather footage of factory farming and what is called mud farming in the south island where ah cattle are basically grazing in if you want to call it grazing in fields of mud because they they trump the ground so much and there's so much rain down there that they're plodding around in these really muddy fields and it's very unhygienic and unsafe and unpleasant for the animals and this evidence is gathered by um animal rights activists with the use of drones they they couldn't really get the footage any other way So now that I've read the article, it as I said as said earlier, it it it does seem really obvious that these things are going to freak out wildlife.
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They aren't used to this. they They may and probably will grow accustomed to it over time, but it it shouldn't need to happen that that that they should have to, really. It might be a thing that that poses a massive problem to our wildlife in the future. If you have dozens of drones flying, the noise alone,
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is enough to be very off-putting for animals. And because they're not used to them and they're unpredictable in their movements, the the drones that is, it it it can be a real stressor for animals and may impact their day-to-day habits ah going forward and how they they they migrate around lands from a to B at certain seasons. If there's
Technology's Impact on Animal Behavior and Environmental Harm
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loads of drones around, it may change their behavior behavior around this, they they may be forced to accommodate the fact that drones are everywhere around them going forward. And it could have ah quite a seriously detrimental impact on their well-being and on their proliferation
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and so on in a similar way, maybe even more so than ah wind turbines that, that ah get energy, you know, the, the massive wind turbines that are out at sea that, that, that, that birds fly into or avoid completely and change their migration patterns because there's, massive amounts of these structures that are out at sea that are getting green energy for us, which is great. And prior to finding out about the impact that these wind turbines have on bird migration patterns, I always thought that ah wind turbines were a really good answer to the energy crisis. and They're a really good alternative. Everything comes with its downside.
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And in the case of drones, the ah downside is a potentially a massive intrusion noise wise and presence wise to these animals. I do know from my time as a hunt saboteur, when foxes were escaping from the hunt and we were standing in front of the fox, our tactic was to make ourselves as small and silent as possible so that the animal could feel safe passing us by to escape the hunt.
00:14:13
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In the case of a drone, they're they're and intrinsically very loud and ear piercing and ah can add an extra element of danger and intrusion to these animals' lives. and So, as i say, there wasn't something that that I had considered before, but it seems very obvious now. And as they become more and more popular,
00:14:36
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it's it's it's like going to have more of an impact. I do know that wildlife is very resilient and learns how to adapt, but it shouldn't have to. And it's usually at a cost. So it is something that needs to be addressed. Switzerland, I see, are imposing laws and restrictions around this. And it's probably high time that that is carried forward around the EU and around the world generally. so that we bear in mind the impact that we can't put it back in the box unfortunately and and they're out in the world now and and they're there so we need to learn how to police them and to mitigate their impact on wildlife around us no thank you mark rich you've hinted at the start of our conversation that you were starting off from maybe a different perspective there is that still your opinion now like what's your current stance on this
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Well, i'll I'll try to summarise as much as possible because there was quite a lot to unpack here. But um i will as as Mark said, or well, I was not aware of, the after reading the article, of some damaging externalities or consequences of drones, which after you read the article seemed quite apparent. Or you can kind of click in your mind. Well, yeah, all that makes sense. But I was quite unaware beforehand. And not to add to what Mark said, because I would subscribe to everything he said.
00:16:04
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I think what one of the things that... comes to mind after this is sometimes to weigh the consequences of certain things and what I mean by that is for example um there's fireworks displays that are very popular and maybe substituting them by drones is less damaging or causes less of an externality than the fireworks themselves. I don't know if maybe stronger licensing required in order to reduce the number of operating recreational call, if you want to call it drones, could be an option.
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Although I know that probably there's an incentive for companies to sell as many devices as possible, but... ah Obviously
Balancing Drones' Benefits and Harms to Wildlife
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with stronger, more restrictive regulations or who can use a drone, what kind of exams or licensing you need.
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And the last thing would be one of the things that this highlights is how humans disturb the natural environment of animals in many ways. And obviously, once you read the article, and you think, well, yeah, they can there's loud noises. When they fly directly towards birds, obviously, they must must feel it threatened by the sound and they must feel...
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Like they don't know what kind of animal, if you will, or is coming to them. So that creates, you know, all the tension, the escape sort of behavior, just protection of themselves in a way.
00:17:49
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But you think when we take into consideration like what consequences this has into the normal behaviour of animals and you think what we well when we put animals into factory farms we obviously obviously disrupt their natural behaviour and we disrupt their social needs in a way and I'm thinking about crowding um spaces crowded with chickens that they can't even move I think about their the cranes where pigs are put there to breed and You know, it makes me... i don't know if I'll word this right, but i'm obviously we need to protect wildfire ah wildlife, obviously, but it makes me sad thinking why we we neglect animals' behaviour when they have such a need of socialising, of walking, flying, call it, you know. It came to mind after reading this, and I would say that probably one of the things as humans, and especially from an economic point of view, is we do not tax or we do not penalize economic externalities enough. And by that I mean usually within the um every industry has an externality. Okay, like for example, if from an economic point of view, for example, factory farming has negative externalities in terms of the environment and health. And probably with all these things, we should put more focus on what negative externalities are resulting as a consequence of the economic activity that we do. Because this, at the end of the day, in the society we live in,
00:19:37
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is let's sell devices which can be of great use i mean as everything in life things can be of extraordinary use and being able to film things call it like in um scotland what's it called salmon farming in scotland being able to fly a drone to show people what's really going on is invaluable but we also need to be aware of the negative consequences Yeah, absolutely. that Like to doing something intentionally and with awareness is is very different to just a gung-ho, I don't really understand this, I don't really care, but ah you know it looks fun, so I'll do it, whatever. i I think I completely agree with your point, Richard, in terms of it seems odd to focus too much on this when there are other birds, millions, billions of other birds that are being exploited,
00:20:32
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in a way that we could say arguably is far worse. I think i think part of that is the novelty value. So it it feels like as a new technology, relatively new technology, drones are in the sphere at the moment where we could, as a society, heavily penalise them, heavily restrict them they could be completely banned.
00:20:55
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We're not going to completely ban the farming of chickens in the next five years. just can't see that happening as much as I'd like it to, whereas drones, it could happen. I don't think it will, but that they're new enough that I think our agency feels higher, which I i imagine is is behind the the the focus of this.
00:21:17
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Something that came to my mind um that we've not touched on yet is if we're talking about disturbances of new technology animals having to change their behavior as a result like can we just place our focus on cars for a moment and roads and lorries and things like that i mean goodness me goodness me it drones pale into insignificance compared to our transport network that most countries in the world have running as as a dominant part of the landscape indeed you you know it's quite unusual to find parts of the world where that's not the case but again it comes down to agency doesn't it in that at the moment like if we say we want to ban roads we want to ban cars what the What? are you talking about? how How can we do such a thing? Whereas changing our policy on drones is completely different. But like roads and cars um and lorries and things are ah far more destructive than than drones, I think, could ever be. And I mean, i I drive tens of thousands of miles every year and I don't know with my current lifestyle how to stop that.
00:22:32
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And COVID-19 showed us that if there's big enough stakes, high enough stakes, we can change our way of life very quickly. So, I mean, this is a discussion for another show maybe, but like, could we imagine, and you know, in a vegan world,
00:22:48
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Is there a network of motorways, A roads, B
Comparison of Transport Systems' Impact on Wildlife
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roads? Sorry, I'm using UK specific terms here, listeners. But like, the does our country, does our world look like that? Is it so road heavy?
00:23:02
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I don't think it is. Like ah in the ideal vegan world, I don't think we travel about as much because actually in terms of the impact on the wild and animals, like road transport is hugely disruptive, especially when compared to drones. Disgust.
00:23:20
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It's going to drop the mic now and see what Mark and Richard are saying. No, I totally agree with that. So the the the overall project of civilization and of the massive population increase of human beings has had such a detrimental overall impact on and the natural and wild world around us. And if we are to go forward and hand over a ah viable future to our children, we will need to renegotiate everything that we do from transport to how we eat, how we... every every single thing to how we entertain ourselves. Every piece of new tech technology should have an angle around how this impacts on the world around us and not just on the economy or how how it might benefit humans, but how it impacts the wildlife and natural life and non-human life around us. And that clearly isn't being done at the moment. And that really needs to be done. Drones are just one more modern example of that. You i look at the impact that shipping has on whales, for instance, in the ocean and the way they communicate or can't communicate because of the noise created by shipping lanes going from a to B and how this impacts on the mating and migratory patterns of whales. And this been going on for you know a century or more. And this will all come to to haunt us very, very quickly unless we get our act together. And drones are the the most recent or one of the most recent examples of how things impact. I do recall hearing a story about when they were trying to drain some of the um areas up in Norwich, I think, and the Fens up in Norwich. They had these diesel powered generators in the 1950s. They would make a specific noise as they were operating to to drain the water out of out of fields.
00:25:09
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And birds in that area would imitate that sound of the diesel engine and teach their, ah they they would they would they would imitate that sound and then teach their young that sound.
00:25:21
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And then when the diesel engines went out of use and were replaced for by much more quiet petrol and other types of engines to do the same job. The animals continue to pass on the sounds the diesel engines used to make to their young. So you have species of birds in Norwich that are imitating sounds of engines that are no longer in use and haven't been in use for decades.
00:25:46
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but it resonates through ah the ages, right? So it's just all stuff like that that you wouldn't think that would impact on on bird life and bird life today, even though those engines are aren't still in use, they still pass on that sound to the young for some reason. And it is bizarre, the impact that we have, and it's generally negative on ah the ah world around us and on wildlife in particular.
00:26:10
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And as I say, unless we get our act together, then these things are going to ah really come back and screw us the way we've been screwing the world around us. I've i've got a
Ethics of Using Drones in Activism vs. Commercial
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question to ask. oh I'll come to you, Richard, if that's okay. So you mentioned using drones to take footage of, let's say, salmon farming in Scotland. If I can pitch two scenarios. So that's one scenario. The other scenario is you're operating a drone that is tracking a fox being pursued by a pack of hounds driven on by people on top of horseback. In both situations, you're controlling your drone and you're reasonably sure that in doing so, you are going to disturb some local wildlife.
00:26:58
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To what extent is that weighing on your mind or or is is it not weighing on your mind? Like, is it changing your behaviour? I think if if I look at the bigger picture, it does it make a difference? And I hope I'm explaining this well, okay? It might be the case that in five years' time, Amazon uses drones to deliver goods to everyone, and we might see millions of drones just doing that stuff.
00:27:29
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So at the end of the day... Yes, am I might be disturbing. am I might be one of the 10,000 drones that that day have passed through that same route.
00:27:42
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In a way, like, would you use a car nowadays just to track someone that's going to hunt, I don't know, doing going to do an atrocity? Would you use your car to go there?
00:27:57
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Well, prop probably not if there's the alternative, yeah. But that's what I mean. it's I'm wary not to get vegans or not to allow us to have enough tools to change the world.
00:28:11
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So I know just by living I have an impact. And I know that just, you know, by buying a phone, going to work, I contribute to things that I'm against, if that makes sense. And I'm getting a bit philosophical maybe here.
00:28:27
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But we need to leave ourselves some tools to be able to look at the bigger picture and try to change things. And I think if we fail to do that, well, the alternative is iss probably worse, if I'm honest.
00:28:42
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Yeah, yeah. No, thank you. Mark, any any final thoughts along those lines? I do think that the Hunsaviturs have used dr drones in a very positive way, and I think they can be used very positively. But as Richard was saying, the future looks like ah Amazon or or pizza delivery will be taking this on board, and we will see this explode from what it is 1,000 or 10,000 times more intense. And that's when it'll get really impactful.
00:29:13
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So we we we will see the impacts of this in generations to come rather than the situation that we're in now. But it's something that that we have the chance to alleviate to some extent if we get in there now with policies and restrictions.
00:29:31
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I'm not sure if that's going to happen. I'm not sure if there's any big public pressure behind this sort of initiative, but it may happen in time as we see the the outcomes more visibly in years
Positive Uses of Drones
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to go. Yeah.
00:29:45
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I was going to say that sometimes with technology can have two sides. And I saw a short documentary in Africa, i can't remember the country, where people lived so far away from hospitals that it was literally impossible for those people to get um access to medicine, drugs for certain illnesses. And they used pioneered the use of drones. to be able to deliver drugs for people that were in need. I think if, well in my view, obviously that will disrupt wildlife and it's never good. But maybe if we find a way...
00:30:26
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to limit the use of drones for things that are really important and only use certain flying paths for those drones it might reduce the externality that that Because it's not the same, you know, i want I fancy a pizza, like Mark was saying, so I'll get a drone delivered to my house, and maybe it's 10 miles away. Or there might be a a person or a non-human in need, and maybe by delivering whatever they need using drones, that can be a positive out outcome. So I just wanted to say that.
00:31:06
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Yeah, absolutely. No, I would agree with that. I'm heartened by the fact that um as we record this in the UK, there has been a bit of legislation passed very recently, meaning that everyone flying a drone beyond a certain size, which is basically anything possible. above very micro does need to have um passed a test to of of um to have the privilege to fly that drone. I think it's very basic and it's ah sort of like an online university type thing. So it's ah it's not...
00:31:40
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not the most rigorous, but it's it's a step, isn't it? um But yeah, there's there's hope there, there's hope. And we shall see. Oh, I can remember the other thing I was gonna say. um If you find these things ah a pest and you are concerned about the impact that they are having on wildlife, just pop over to YouTube or another video sharing website and just type in drones being attacked by birds.
Listener Engagement and Feedback
00:32:06
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And it's great because you've got loads of nerds with their like 6,000 pound drone flying up. And then you've got like a bald headed eagle or a swan just battering it and completely destroying it is honestly it's great cathartic fun the animal strikes back um we've been discussing some yeah controversial uh i wouldn't say necessarily drones are an emotive subject but um people's opinions do vary quite wildly in which case we would love to hear from you on the topic we've only scratched the surface too so there's definitely going to be insights that you listeners have got that we've not shared so do contact us
00:32:46
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to spread those here's how to get in touch to get in touch with us just send us an email at enough of the falafel at gmail.com we see ourselves as a collective our listenership stretches all around the world and everyone's opinions questions feedback and ideas are what helps shape the show go on send us a message today enough of the falafel at gmail.com Thank you very much, Richard. Thank you very much, Mark, for your contributions in this discussion. Listeners, if you enjoyed this show, you can tell people about it. We love it when you share stuff. We love it when you subscribe, when you give us a rating and things like that. You can also...
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00:33:59
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The next Enough of the Falafel episode coming out will be Vegan Week, available from Monday 16th of March. And it will be our usual roundup of week's vegan and animal rights news. and Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you, Richard. Thank you, Anthony, for all your contributions.
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