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257- Channel Four in awful Prop-EGG-anda
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Let's not dress this up: This episode features half an hour of Paul, Julie & Ant slating an absolutely terrible piece of 14 minute paid promotion by Channel Four. No-one comes out of this well!
If you want to see what all the fuss is about, head over to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRpgzdk1ua8
Don't try and leave a comment though; as predicted by Paul, they're not letting anyone else express their opinion on the film. Telling...
As ever, we love hearing your views on the topics under discussion (or anything else!) so do drop us your thoughts via enoughofthefalafel@gmail.com
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Introduction to Vegan Talk Episode
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello everyone. Now, as vegans, we're all right behind any initiative where young people can see the conditions and realities of animal agriculture, right?
00:00:12
Speaker
Well, let's find out. I'm Anthony. For this episode of Vegan Talk, I'm also joined by Julie and Paul. I think vegans go looking for trouble even when they're not looking for trouble.
00:00:23
Speaker
That's not what butt is used for. Brrr! Broaty! Take your flat-grown meat elsewhere. We're not doing that in the state of Florida. Should I call the medium and say, hi, sorry?
00:00:34
Speaker
True education. younger generation are getting know how brutal these practices are. That leaves a lot of pizza delivery companies in problems with things. What is this?
00:00:45
Speaker
What kind of movie is this? It's comedy, gobbled, maybe. Any form of social enjoyment.
00:00:53
Speaker
As long as you don't get the wee brunions with the horns you'll be alright. Does veganism give him superpowers?
00:01:02
Speaker
cannot fly around the city. I don't have laser vision. Hello everyone, this is Paul. Welcome to everyone listening to this episode of Vegan Talk and thank you for being here. Hello everybody, Julie here Welcome to Vegan Talk. Vegan Talk is the type of show where we have a chat about an animal rights or a vegan related issue in a bit more depth. And we've had lots of chats like this and if you have a look at your a podcast feed you'll find lots of... past episodes talking about all kinds of different topics.
00:01:40
Speaker
Indeed, and today's topic, we are focusing on something that so nearly appeared on our news show at the end of January.
Future Egg Farmers: A New Show
00:01:50
Speaker
I was doing my research, I came up with an article from poultryworld.net, children's step into the role of egg farmers of the future.
00:02:01
Speaker
And I started reading it and it was telling me about this new show that was coming out. And then I saw that it was going to be aired on Channel 4 and that we'd be able to stream it on Channel 4's YouTube platform. And I thought to myself, well, why don't we just watch it and we can go into it in a bit more detail. in vegan talk. So that is what we're doing. I'll give you a bit of a summary of this Poultry World press release because that's what it is. And then myself, Julie and Paul will give our reactions because we've all watched
00:02:36
Speaker
this short film. It's about 14 minutes long. The Happy Egg Company, the UK's leading egg brand owned by Noble Foods, has partnered with public broadcaster Channel 4 to launch Tiny Farmers, a short form programme. It is just the one programme. I wondered if it would be a series. aimed at improving public understanding of British free-range elk production and on-farm hen welfare. At the heart of Tiny Farmers, that's the name of the programme, are four children who compete in a series of hands-on challenges...
00:03:11
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I think only two challenges from caring for hens to demonstrating cooking skills. Well, no, it was just those two. By focusing on practical activity, the series only seems to be one show aims to present farming processes in an understandable way.
00:03:29
Speaker
without oversimplifying welfare conditions.
Hosts and Program Overview
00:03:34
Speaker
Let's just remember that phrase, oversimplifying. I'm particularly thinking about when two of the children want to install a glitter disco ball in the middle of a hen house. But anyway, no spoilers, no spoilers, no spoilers. It says that Tiny Farmers includes contributions from Noble Foods' is agricultural specialists who provide insight into flock management, free-range systems, and the journey from farm to consumer. The program is presented by Harriet Cowan and comedian Jessica Knappett, with a format designed to balance accessibility with factual explanation of farming practices. There's basically a load more waffle along this. You you get the idea.
00:04:19
Speaker
Basically, the Happy Egg Company have slung Channel 4 a load of money, which it does say at the start of the film, doesn't it? Not in as many words, but it it sort of says, it's one of those where it says like include paid promotion or something like that. Can any of us remember exactly what it says when you press play?
00:04:37
Speaker
There's some sort of disclaimer, isn't there? No, I didn't notice that. Yeah, yeah, I did. I've tried to bring it back up again now just to see it, but
Funding and Impartiality Concerns
00:04:45
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it it won't. But I'm pretty sure, listeners, if if and when you watch this for the first time, it will come up and and say, I watched it in the YouTube app on my telly and it came up with a sort of a warning, like product placement or or whatever. But yeah, they've they've slung Channel 4 some money and Channel 4 have produced this.
00:05:05
Speaker
It's not been shown on channel four. It's not been scheduled, but it's it's available on their YouTube platform. It's been there since the 19th of January. We are recording this on the 15th of Feb, so just under a month.
00:05:21
Speaker
And I'm sorry to say, it's had nearly 2 million views already. 116 thumbs comments. and eight comments one of which, no, two of which I will say are vegan friendly. Let's get to that in a minute. Let's hear a little bit about what's covered and what we thought. Julie, are you happy to give the broadest, the simplest of of outlines, just from your point of view? We've heard the PR guru's explanation of this. Can you give us elevator pitch of what goes on in this 14 and a half minutes?
00:05:58
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There are four children who you get the impression have been especially selected to display a number of characteristics. So you have
Children's Activities on the Show
00:06:13
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a northern, a very northern boy.
00:06:17
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you have a little girl from an ethnic minority background. You have a little girly swat girl. And you have the obligatory fat boy with glasses as well. Sorry, Harrison. But you know what mean? and when When I was at school and every class you were in, there was always a wee plump.
00:06:43
Speaker
Boy, I won't use the word to fat. That was nasty. Sorry. But yeah, somebody who, you know, was was of that build wearing spectacles. um So we've we've got that all covered. We've got all the stereotypes in there. What a shame. They're lovely wee children. They really honestly are. And I am terrified at what they have been sort of roped into and getting involved in here. So anyway, these four children are given a couple of tasks to do, one of which is to design ah certain, like a little hen house or something for people to build. So they they do that and they also have to cook something made from egg as well. um So that's the only two tasks that I recall them actually completing. They did sort of go out and look at some hens in a field. Not your typical... and the the the
00:07:48
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The Happy Egg Company, it's all free-range eggs. The Noble Foods have got hens that are never see the light of day, that are in barns and high-intensity colonies and all the rest of it. But Happy Eggs are the so-called free-range offering. Do they call their other egg company the unhappy egg company? If they if they have sort of two divisions, that do do they do they call the ones that never get out and never see the light of the unhappy egg? Surprisingly, they don't. They've got four. They've got four they've got organic.
00:08:21
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they've got the hens who are in the hideous intense colonies their branding is something called the golden yolk or something like that so they've got happy egg golden yolks or some words to that effect and they've got the organic grange and then they've got some they've got something else as well which again is housed in a particular manner you know whatever So anyway, anyway like the kids have done this task. They've designed a hen house. They've kind of milled about with the hens. They have made something out of egg. They're not being hen farmers. They're not being farmers of any description.
Reality of Egg Farming: What's Shown and What's Not
00:09:05
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Farmers don't spend their time designing hen houses with glitter balls in them. And they are absolutely not learning anything that is truthful in any way about how these hens are actually reared. Because I don't see them designing a special little gas chamber to gas the one and two day old male chicks that are just treated like waste products. And I don't see them designing a little vehicle to take the 18-month-old hens who are then, you know, killed because they're past their most productive, taking them off to be slaughtered. They're not learning any of that. They're not seeing any of that. And the field of hens that they're walking in
00:09:54
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is, i am sure, nothing like what your average happy end farm looks like at all. I've seen the footage from PETA and from Viva and the farms look very different.
00:10:11
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They're very, barren. They're very, very muddy. And in some cases, because the hens are shut in for the first 16 weeks of their life, they're actually too frightened to go outside by the time they are supposedly allowed that freedom. They don't take it. They are staying inside in cramped conditions. And they've all got their beaks clipped so that they don't harm each other. But that causes them immense pain, suffering and causes them harm as well. So, yeah, the kids are seeing none of that. It's it's absolutely terrifying, the spin that is put on the whole thing. It's just really stage managed all the way. It's it's sinister to my mind. What what film is it? Is it um The Sound of Music where there's, like, you see some boy stand up in, like, a in a pub garden and start singing, like, a Hitler Youth song? Is that The Sound of Music? Or is it Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? It's one of those, isn't it? where there's like a really chilling moment where you see like the children of the third Reich are ah starting to like embody these attitudes and like looking back on it 50 years later, you're like like, Oh my God, that's really sinister. I feel like this is a bit like this, these poor children who like you say, Julie, ah they seem like lovely children, the four of them. Are they going to look back in 50 years when the, the,
00:11:41
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planets burning and think oh my god like what what was i corralled into advocating for it this doesn't bear thinking about paul me and julie have not done a very good job of just ah objectively providing a background um to this uh short piece of a film which is perhaps unsurprising that's that's fine but can i come to you first and just ask for your opinion on this like when you're watching it what what were you feeling what were thinking what were your reactions you can try You can try. Obviously, I've not been very good in watching this one. I'll say that up front in in ah and in honesty. I did watch about the first three or four minutes or something like that. And I i was devastated to see that Jessica Nappet was in it because she's a comedian who I really like. But when you see someone like that selling themselves for, you know, she's a smart cookie. She knows what she's getting involved in here and that you just lose all credibility and respect for someone like that. So, you know, yeah, not not a fan of her. I had the same with Richard Aya Wadi when he was voiceovering the film. is that the eat balanced campaign for like British land, anything for a cost of a comedian. And yeah, you're just selling yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, yeah, this is, this is the whole concept of the happy egg brand. And we've talked about this before in the past and the marketing and the leaping lambs and everything's happy and that, and it it makes you think as well of the, the, the, um, uh, uh,
00:13:06
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as an avid hater of the farm to fork thing that you'd see in supermarkets, because they'd have kids in going like, this is what happens in the farm. And this is what happens on the plate. And going, it should be, it should be farm cruelty, slaughter plate. Tell the kids what it is. We can't talk about the bad stuff because that will mean people won't buy our products. So yeah, even though it's, you know, free range and we all know this, as Judy said, there's, there's still lots of nasty stuff that goes on there and the health impacts. Well, I was going why they couldn't do a balanced show, God only knows, but I think we do know because of the funding. Yeah, it was hugely frustrating to watch and almost sort of, I found it cringeworthy to the point when I initially switched it off and thought I'm going to come back to this and sadly didn't get much time to do that. But yeah, i I'd almost had enough at that point and that's not a good thing to do because you should watch everything all the way through to have a form of proper opinion and I accept that. But yeah, from what I did see, was just like, ah not this sort of shit again. It's just, yeah, yeah, it was it was ah was awful. I'd be very interested in the Happy Egg Company's opinion on this. And like I say, unfortunately, I imagine a lot of marketing just comes down to the numbers and the fact that they've got nearly 2 million views on YouTube in less than a month.
00:14:28
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is probably going to be all the validation they need. But if you were just watching this as a happy egg executive, the fact that it is really quite cringe and i don't know, does it does it portray things in a good way?
00:14:42
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I think it just looks like a bit of a joke, doesn't it? Like it's so clearly nonsense. I don't know if you can really count a lot on YouTube views these days, what with the way that the internet's set up, it doesn't really tell you enough. You want feedback, don't you, from people that have watched it to understand like what ages of people have watched it, what their actual opinion was at the end of it. I don't think views really count for that much these days, do they? It's kind of like a bit of a false figure. No, but in terms of like, I mean, this isn't something that you would stick up and show people as a great example of the Happy Egg Company and what it does. I mean, maybe on the surface level, you could say, well, you know, look, we're partnering with Channel 4.
00:15:23
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um And that maybe that's just ah a good enough thing to say, oh, Channel 4 said that they would do something. They'd feature us. a like if Were any of us quite disappointed with Channel 4? I always saw them as like bastions of like really progressive journalism. This is just awful. Yes, um I feel moved to write to them and complain about their involvement in this. i thought they would be above something like this. Absolute shamelessness. propaganda and sort of exploitation of these little four children I think it's really bordering on that just the amount of hoodwinking they are getting exposed to even when they're in the field and two people have hens in their arms and one of the dumbass presenters says oh well that chicken looks really relaxed and all the rest of it The person who's holding the chicken has its wings clamped down beside its sides and it's holding the chicken's legs really tightly as well. So there's there's nothing that animal could do
00:16:32
Speaker
to move a away out of that position at all it can't move it it can't push off with its feet because he's holding his it's they her I should say her feet and her wings are clamped and you know against his body and under his arm it's that's not a relaxed chicken in fact Chickens go into a state of fear so that they absolutely freeze and you know they they you could mix that up with them being you know peaceful or whatever but that's them absolutely terrified If you want to catch a chicken and you put your hand above its body, over its back, where its back is, it'll hunker down and put its wee wings up like that and you can pick it up super easy because it will not move. But it's not because it once picked up, it's because it's absolutely terrified it's frozen in fear. You know, that's not a happy, relaxed chicken that we are looking at at all. And that's just the symptomatic of this entire program. And I think one part of it that I found really sinister was the wee boy, the wee plump boy with the glasses. When they had made some food out of egg
00:17:55
Speaker
and he doesn't like eating eggs he was asked to eat the thing that he'd made even though he didn't like it and he said he didn't like it but he he went to eat it he held his nose so that he could eat it and pulled very unhappy and it was like he was at one point just gonna retch and they offered him to spit it out and and he said no no it's okay And so ah but you think what is going with that wee boy and what is going on in their minds that they would even ask a little child to eat something that disgusts them so much they might need to spit it out? I mean, what...
00:18:43
Speaker
you know And even having that have happened, why didn't they even edit it that out? That really, I found chilling, absolutely chilling, that he felt coerced into eating something that disgusted him so much. Maybe that was his ah maybe that wass part of his payment deal.
00:19:00
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so it's ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you get the impression that these little children, they seemed very loving and very caring and interested in these little animals.
00:19:14
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That if they honestly knew the truth about these animals' lives and their deaths... they would run a mile. They would all not want to make anything out of egg. They would all be just absolutely in tears, I think. Yeah. so i mean this is the It's all part of the same thing we see with... them petting zoos isn't it where it's kind of like kids naturally love and and care for animals and then they're taken to these places to show one side of the story and then taken it home for a bacon sandwich or whatever and it's just yeah it's mad I say i suppose the other thing I was going to say and and was about, I think we have to accept that there's a reasonable amount of interest in this because as much as it pains me to say it, there is a lot of interest in that sort of Clarkson's farm approach, which is obviously very much portraying a certain view that isn't vegan. And so it's kind of off the back of that. So the kind of, you know in popularity of such programs is probably another reason why Channel 4 have done it because it it gets gets interest. Yeah, absolutely. And when I watch this on YouTube, like all the suggested videos afterwards were of homesteaders and small holdings and and things like that. And perhaps that would be something interesting to discuss. to do a feature episode on in the future. but I think it taps into a feeling of, oh, look, there's people doing natural, honest, traditional work, you know, and that those are values that I think a lot of people feel are lost in our current culture. So I can see how it appeals to that. But like you say, it being just predicated on these lies, it's, um it's horrible. And I think,
00:20:58
Speaker
you mentioned petting zoos there, Paul, that the the fact is they do work, don't they? You know, this propaganda does work. It does put in a certain level of assumed knowledge, or it gives people a certain amount of fake knowledge that things are a certain way. And so then when people learn about what happens in animal agriculture, really, people are having to unpick things as opposed to just having a blank canvas where you're just like, well, I don't know what happens.
00:21:32
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if if you've been to a ah petting zoo or or seen farm propaganda like this, you think... The lambing thing we covered, wasn't it? The lambing season where they invited people to go along. I think we covered several months ago. Yeah, similar sort of thing.
00:21:46
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But then if you... I mean, one of our first episodes, I think was episode five, something like that, when we were talking about, you know, should children be shown... slaughterhouse footage or or or told the truth of what happens. It's an emotional issue and lots of people who are vegan will say, I'm not sure that's a good idea or or certainly, I mean,
00:22:10
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In a sense, it almost doesn't matter what vegans say, it's that it's the majority of the population, what they would say. You would be decried as like, how how can you show people, expose people to that? That's really upsetting and it's really gory. And and like what are you trying to do? you trying to frighten children? But really, if of the alternative is is actually just lying to people, i mean, I was saying to Julie off air, I just typed into Google images,
00:22:38
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Happy Egg Farm and just saw the pictures. And you could see that there were two types of pictures. There were the pictures of what Happy Egg want you to see. And they've clearly been like airbrushed and like the sun is three times as bright as it naturally is and proper like marketing photos. And then there were the ones where Viva and Peter have gone in and actually... I'd i'd rather people see the the really upsetting ones.
00:23:05
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if If they're the two choices, maybe maybe there is a maybe there's a middle ground where children can learn about what happens in a way that where they're not seeing really frightening things.
00:23:19
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But I certainly don't want them to be lied. And like you're saying, Julie, being coerced to go, okay, I'll put this thing in my mouth. It's making me wretch. and it's is's it's Got to get them addicted first then. Well, Peter have made a video about the Happy Egg Company, which you can see online, and it is a good one. But yeah, maybe it requires a bit of counter-reporting.
00:23:44
Speaker
publicity maybe PETA or Viva should make a four children really see what is going on but but yeah there is a PETA video on available online that you can look at the reality of a happy egg farm there was a scandal that I'm sure both of you will remember when the happy egg company were sponsors of parkrun and Certainly I've boycotted Parkrun for the duration of that sponsorship and that was good because that got lots of conversations going about eggs and about what free range means and doesn't mean and all the rest of it and I noticed that the latest person to have a swipe at the Happy Egg Company, and he has a vested interest in doing that, is Andy Shovel of this fame, founder of the this company. He has got a bit of a campaign going.
00:24:41
Speaker
He's not trying to stop people eating eggs. Well, he probably is deep down, but he is highlighting the thing about the male chicks getting gassed or macerated. He's making a big deal about that, quite rightly. And he's got a charity going and a web website called A Bit Weird. Have you seen it? I've not seen that. Yeah, well, they did. um I think we we featured it in a vegan talk a year and a bit ago because it.
00:25:12
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Oh, no, that was Veganuary that did the weird campaign, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, no, this is more recent than that. This is more recent. I think it's only been going for about a year. So it's a, I think he's about 37 or something, Andy Shovel. He's trying to talk or write like a teenager, sadly. He's getting it a little bit wrong. So and instead of saying this is horrifying, this is shocking, this shouldn't be happening, he just calls everything a bit weird.
00:25:41
Speaker
So not to alienate people. So it's tired or tiresome to read on that point of view. But yeah, he's he's taken on the Happy Egg Company a bit. And what was last year, really, he kind of targeted them a bit in his campaigning. So it's kind of worth having a bit of a look at that. But yeah, we do. We need an alternative video to be made, I think.
00:26:05
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Well, maybe maybe we need ah an alternative show where we get people get kids to look at the realities of farming and see how long they can watch some of the yeah stuff that's going
Should There Be an Alternative Show?
00:26:14
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on. That might be morally dubious, but i mean I mean, just to kind of ah ask them if they think that that's morally right and then go and have a ah nice egg to eat.
00:26:23
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I'm a very public-spirited person, so I have i haveve commented underneath this YouTube video that's had nearly 2 million views. So the ninth comment is me just doing a little link to that Peter video, Julie. They've they've called it crappy eggs, not happy eggs.
00:26:42
Speaker
yes So if you follow the link, listeners, if it only' it's only going to take five of us to like that and it will be the top liked comment and then it will appear at the top. And I've just put, here's another video about happy egg farms. So there we are. And and I have to say, it's it doesn't show chickens being killed or anything like that. It just shows how cramped they are and how non-grassy the fields are. And yeah, you've got some footage of animals who are not looking very healthy. I'll hop on there and support that one. Yay. ah Likewise. A quick hypothetical, and I will remove, Paul and Julie, your right to say, well, they simply wouldn't do that. You're not allowed to respond to this hypothetical by by saying that.
00:27:28
Speaker
How would we feel if we saw a press release from Plant Based News or Vegan Food and Living saying, oh, Oakley have partnered with with ah channel four and they're doing a 14 and a half minute one off on YouTube's Oatly channel or Oatly's YouTube channel. And they've got four children to do this and it's similarly cringe and it's similarly coercive with the children and it's similarly blah, blah, blah, but it is just about their product. So they're using that as ah as a PR opportunity.
Channel 4's Impartiality: A Discussion
00:28:05
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We wouldn't be saying the same things, would we? Well, because sentient beings wouldn't be getting exploited and killed. So and it would be odd so So yeah, that would be that'll be a whole different matter.
00:28:19
Speaker
think it's is's difficult not to react and say, like because we we see various things, or articles even, where we conclude that they're pro-vegan and we we celebrate that quite understandably but I suppose you have to step back and say from a key broadcaster like Channel 4 or four BBC or something like that the idea is that programmes should be able to present an impartial view on both sides of the story whereas this one it seems is very much a bot bought thing so and let's face it probably the people that are going to have the most money
00:28:49
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to go down that line are probably going to be the organisations that aren't going to align with veganism. So I would probably say i would prefer both parties not better to make that show and that that we continue with impartial journalism that looks at both sides of the stories. Yeah.
00:29:04
Speaker
I mean, I i think i I agree. The impartiality thing is, I think, is really important. And there's plenty of things that in Britain we've done hideously wrong over our history. But I think in terms of being more towards impartial with our media or our news or what have you. I think that is a a positive thing that we've done better than other places. And that's clearly not the case here. So I think that would be a...
00:29:31
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a thing to call out if it was Oatly doing it well this is an infomercial isn't it that's what you call this type of thing if this went on to mainstream television I definitely would be writing to Channel 4 and complaining like mad but that hasn't happened it is just a big ad fair isn't it just a big piece of nonsense But but that brings me on to my second point would would be that I'd be disappointed that Oatly would be spending their money in that way because I'd just be like, well, this is terrible content.
00:30:01
Speaker
Like this is really poor. Like if that's the best that you can do, clearly contrived things. I mean, the... that I know really the the takeaways here aren't how contrived the things they're getting the children to do, but like they've clearly been told those children what to design. There's no way that they've said to those kids, four different kids, design your perfect ah chicken house, hen house.
00:30:26
Speaker
And then a few hours later, they've managed to create it for them. life size like they've told them well could you make yours have a xylophone in it and a glitter ball and could it be purple but you can draw it in whatever shape you want and we've got like a bolt gun that can break you know a drill that can very quickly put it together out of mdf and Like that's clearly contrived. You can see it's contrived. And the whole recipe thing, like they're clearly not making it.
00:30:52
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You know, they're doing bits. they They badly crack an egg. But that that there's no way that the boy that only eats Nutella sandwiches, bless him, is able to whip up an omelette.
00:31:03
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Like it's just it's just not real. And so i'd if Oatly did something like this, I'd just be like, what a crap waste of money. The problem with that, though, and is that you're assuming the general public has probably got at an intelligence level higher than what it has, I'm afraid. Well, yeah. yeah that that there Entertainment, you know. that There's only one positive. Well, the only film would have to just be very... It would just be helping people out with their confusion.
00:31:32
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yeah About... Yeah, about what is milk, what is low dairy, what on earth that anything that is low in dairy is. I don't even know yet that was a thing. yeah Yeah, they could make a film about that just to help us dumb members of the public. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like you say, Paul, the the numbers of people that have, quote, viewed it, whether they're human beings or bots, that is disconcerting. But the fact is there's...
00:32:01
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including my comment as of this time of recording. There's nine comments. One person has said chickens are adorable, clever and deserving of respect from humans. i don't know whether that's being scathing of the video or not. um Another person said, do you show the kids what you do with the male chicks or spent hens? um someone else basically saying Channel 4 are full of shit.
00:32:23
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And then there's there's that there's... Was that Julie? No, she's not commenting yet. I'll be there. There's only really one positive comment. Someone saying, oh, the kids were great. um Is this going to be turned into a series? And then someone else has responded saying that they know one of the children that's in it. So there's only really one positive comment out of nearly 2 million people viewing it, which I would say if the advertisers or the funders are looking at the metrics, they might say, hmm, people aren't really engaged with this. There's maybe been some more comments that they've taken down. These are just the ones that they haven't noticed yet. Very true. There's a team of 50 people removing all the comments currently this. Yes, that was part of ah the Happy Egg Company's fee, it's employing a full-time team to remove the ah vegan truth exposers. Anyway, well, I hope you've hope you've enjoyed our deconstruction of that video. Listeners, you're very welcome to become an extra viewer of that one if you want. The link's in the show notes if you want to spend 14 and a half minutes of your life looking at that. Or indeed, just go on there and add to the comments. Who knows? Who knows where that will take us? We do hope you've enjoyed the show. You can follow us on social media, um on Instagram, on Facebook. We're at Enough of the Falafel ah to stay in touch with things. We often post what news stories we've been... talking about and issues like this, you can put your comments in. You can also drop us an email if you've got a longer opinion or a critique or a deconstruction of what we've said. We very much welcome it. We're not a North Korean propaganda channel. We will air your comments and your critique. So here's how to get in touch with us.
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Go on, send us a message today. enough of the falafel at gmail dot com Thank you, Paul. And thank you, Julie, for your time and your comments and your insights.
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Always most welcome. The next Enough for the Fluffer episode coming out will be available on Monday, the 23rd of March. And that will be Vegan Week.
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And that's our usual roundup of the week's vegan and animal rights news. Anyway, that's enough of the falafel for this episode. Thank you Paul and Anthony for all your contributions. Thank you everybody for listening. I've been Julie and you've been listening to Vegan Talk from the Enough of the Falafel Collective.
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