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Motivated to do Less
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Brian and Dave take a step back this week and talk about all the issues they're dealing with and what steps they're going to take to get back on track.
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Introduction to Motivation and Anecdotes
00:00:00
David Isaacs
Hello everyone, today is March 16th, I'm here with Brian and we're going to be talking about motivation. How we doing, and Brian?
00:00:11
Big Dog
Good. What the fuck is up, Denny's? How we doing today?
00:00:15
David Isaacs
but The Denny's Grand Slam, what I wouldn't have paid be there.
00:00:18
Big Dog
Yeah,
00:00:22
Big Dog
yeah, So that made me shit my pants like 20 minutes later and just work its way through my system like ah ah god like a baby wipe in a British sewer just expands.
00:00:34
David Isaacs
Geez, I don't know anything about that. I don't think I've ah been to IHOP maybe once. I don't think I've ever been to a Denny's.
00:00:42
Big Dog
Yeah, and don't there's not none around me, at least not that I can ah remember. I think the only one that was by me actually turned into Chris Belly's. So, just a local like bakery type deal. so
00:00:55
David Isaacs
Yeah.
00:00:57
David Isaacs
Do you love me some Waffle House anytime I vacation? go south.
00:01:03
Big Dog
Yeah, literally, like as soon as you get over the Ohio border, there's one, isn't there? you Like in Toledo.
00:01:10
David Isaacs
I think so.
00:01:11
Big Dog
Yeah, right on. Maybe it's not Toledo, it's Slovenia. Anyway, yeah. ah Love me some Waffle House. Love me going there to nighttime where there's 1,000% chance of watching a fistfight occur.
00:01:24
Big Dog
and Between the staff and somebody who you know who's just asking, I don't know, for a free cup of coffee.
00:01:31
David Isaacs
Yeah, our our version of that was Steak and Shake. We used to go... Back when we had just graduated from high school, we'd have these poker games a few times a week at someone's house.
00:01:44
David Isaacs
And we'd be up till three or four in the morning, hanging out, playing poker, euchre or whatnot. And then we would go to like a local burger place here that used to be open 24 hours called Bray's.
00:01:57
David Isaacs
not the same one that's somewhere over in Detroit. I think this one is different.
00:02:01
Big Dog
Mm-hmm.
00:02:02
David Isaacs
It was like an actual sit-in restaurant and they did breakfast and everything. But we went to, used to go to the Steak and Shake in Livonia and we go in there and we sit down and the waitress gives us menus. She's like,
00:02:15
David Isaacs
Yeah, the cooks both got into a fight outside, so I can't cook anything. Okay, well, what? And then this this group that was in there with us, too, like, well, we're about to go back there. We're to cook the food ourselves. Y'all want anything?
00:02:29
David Isaacs
my buddy was just freaking out. Was that, like, having a panic attack? He's like, I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. Yeah.
00:02:36
Big Dog
No, this this is where I would want to be. This is entertainment.
00:02:40
David Isaacs
Yeah, no, it's it's crazy. But I mean, that's just kind of the restaurant
Restaurant Worker Culture and Challenges
00:02:45
David Isaacs
industry. I my first job was a busser at Texas Roadhouse when I was 16. And not that anything like really happened. But yeah, the the culture of the people that work there at these restaurants quite a bit different.
00:03:00
David Isaacs
You know, somebody could be a really good cook, but it also be I guess it's it's the same anywhere. But yeah, that that was not a great experience.
00:03:10
David Isaacs
I would not want to work at a restaurant. I know people can make good money being a bartender or server. But yeah, kind of like the work lifestyle being there. It's kind of crazy.
00:03:22
David Isaacs
i don't know if you've ever seen the movie waiting. I'm sure I'm assuming you have. But I'm also assuming that might be a little bit too old of a movie for some of our audience.
00:03:33
Big Dog
Yeah, perhaps, yeah. I don't think I've seen it myself, but definitely. On my list, maybe ah ah do you think, would you consider that an underrated piece of media?
00:03:46
David Isaacs
No, I can't, I can't consider anything that has Dane Cook in it to be underrated. Uh, that's just me, but it's one of, you know, and also it's Justin Long.
00:03:57
David Isaacs
So it's just kind of your millennial comedy movie, early two thousands comedy movie, Ryan Reynolds, Justin Long, Dane Cook, Louise Guzman.
00:04:09
David Isaacs
There are few other actresses in there. i don't know if they're still around or making anything. Well, actually, the woman that was in that's the mom in the TED TV show.
00:04:21
David Isaacs
She was one of the waitresses because it's a movie about working at a restaurant. And they had this game where they would like set up around a corner or something and you try to get like somebody to look at uh i'm not even going to talk about it um but it's it's it's funny um but it is also kind of uh they use some language that's not exactly pc anymore so just be prepared for that if you plan on watching it i'm not recommending anyone to actually watch it but
00:04:52
David Isaacs
It is, ah in terms of restaurant culture, i think it sums it up or it's very comedic with it.
00:05:00
Big Dog
Oh, I have seen Wait. I'm sorry. i thought you said something else, but when you started describing, like, the actors and actresses, I have seen Wait. Yeah, it's, ah yeah, very, very... Apparently, those based, mostly based on True Story, not, like, True Story, but, like, the person who, like, wrote and directed it, they, uh, just based on experiences that they had working for... I think it was a Bennigan's, or maybe it was Applebee's, one of those kind of chain restaurants, um,
00:05:30
Big Dog
And a lot of that happened while he worked there.
00:05:34
David Isaacs
Yeah. Yeah, I don't doubt it.
Maintaining Focus and Motivation
00:05:37
David Isaacs
but speaking on motivation, I think a lot of times I can get distracted and and know it's like, no, it's not.
00:05:37
Big Dog
um
00:05:44
Big Dog
Yeah, that was my bad.
00:05:47
David Isaacs
It's, it's it's just kind of how I am. And like ah we were just talking about before we started recording, it's like, is that bad? Cause it's good conversation for the podcast, but also not staying on task. So is it just kind of the nature of the conversation?
00:06:03
David Isaacs
so is it something that, I want to work on to make sure like we stay on task for these things. And somebody is going to look up this episode and be like, Oh, motivation and how it how it works and all this other stuff. And then you hear us talking about the movie waiting for five minutes to start off the episode.
00:06:24
Big Dog
Yeah. It's, it's going to be like the first like 10 episodes or whatever is like, was just like coming down and like devolving and getting ADHD or something like that. Not that I think that ADHD makes you any less of a person or human being. I don't think that I just like, I, I kind of feel like that linear regression is there for us specifically. Yeah.
00:06:46
David Isaacs
Yeah, i I'm fairly certain i have ADD. And it's another one of those things where it's hard to tell. Do I have ADD or do I just don't have good habits for staying on task, staying motivated?
00:07:00
David Isaacs
Because even if they did have me checked out when I was younger for ADD, but they said like I function at a high level, you know, I wasn't causing scenes in class.
00:07:13
David Isaacs
I wasn't acting out or doing anything. And I was like really good at my schoolwork. So, but it's hard to tell, like with me, it's harder for so doing the coding bootcamp.
00:07:25
David Isaacs
It's like, I can't sit here and learn to code myself. I've tried it a long time. And that's why sports in high school were good because that was scheduled. Coach told you, time stretch. Coach said, you're going to this drill.
00:07:38
David Isaacs
You go to a game. you know, but what position you're playing, you have the muscle memory and everything. Like, that's great. That was all set up to have some direction.
00:07:50
David Isaacs
But then when you get out out of it, it's like, okay, well, I'm done with work on Friday. It's 5pm. I don't know what I'm going do. Like, I have all the freedom to do whatever it is I want.
00:08:02
David Isaacs
And a lot of the times it comes down to just I either made plans to go out and do something or I'm going to sit here and play video games. Like there's not too many times that I'm wanting to work on things.
00:08:19
David Isaacs
So it's very hard to convince myself like, okay, but you know, I need to read or check in with people about these job referrals, um you know, or do doing something, I guess, that's productive. So I talked about it a little bit before we got on, but I'd like to start journaling again, setting a schedule for myself.
00:08:41
David Isaacs
i I started, I was watching TikTok too much. I don't even want to look at the analytics because it was probably like three hours a day and have had to have set a time limit on how much I can watch a day.
00:08:57
David Isaacs
And now it's like 15 minutes. So it's like, I'm an iPad kid and I'm also setting screen time limits on myself. So then that's another thing that kind of detracts like, okay, well,
00:09:10
David Isaacs
It's good that I've set these things, but why can I also not just stop watching Tic Tac so much?
00:09:20
Big Dog
Yeah, I mean, it's, ah you know, they used to have back in the day for in the refrigerator, if you like opened it up in the middle of the night, like a like a little pig alarm will go off, you know, to alert like your partner or your roommate that you're trying to get into the food.
00:09:35
Big Dog
You're like dieting or something.
00:09:35
David Isaacs
ah
00:09:36
Big Dog
Yeah, this is a real thing. um Because my my brother, he used to be as chunky as I am He's lost ah whole bunch of weight, but.
00:09:48
Big Dog
his roommate, every time like he would go and so ah and to the refrigerator, he would always, as a joke, set that it's like a little pig alarm, and then it's like a motion sensor almost. When it opens, you open the refrigerator, it just starts like going off, and I go oink, oink, oink, oink.
00:10:09
Big Dog
but This is what they had back in the, you know, it's not like we have
00:10:13
David Isaacs
Yeah, yeah.
00:10:15
Big Dog
you know, we can set like a code on our refrigerator. So our you know, fat solo partner can't get in there and and get ice cream at night. Um,
00:10:25
David Isaacs
Yeah, I've I'd be interested maybe that that's a good idea to set something up to like because I have an alarm on my phone at like 9pm for like just setting it so that i know it's you know time to breathe time to wind down but i would be interested in setting like something that will turn off my computer because I'm on it quite a bit and not doing things that are productive a lot of the time. So most of my productivity exists outside of using my computer.
00:10:58
David Isaacs
But setting something up to be like, okay, at 6 p.m., it's going to turn off and it won't turn back on until you go to the grocery store. So maybe like connecting it to like my Kroger app and then it recognizes the purchase and then will allow me to use my computer again.
00:11:17
David Isaacs
Like, I think that would be helpful. But I also know with talking about these things and bad habits that we're just continuously doing stuff just automatically all the time, that maybe the alarm or the 15 minutes I allow myself to look at TikTok every day, maybe that is good, that a lot of people have issues of just doom scrolling on their phone.
00:11:40
David Isaacs
So that's a way to kind of interrupt and break that cycle.
00:11:47
Big Dog
Yeah. um I don't know if you're like an intellectual Tik TOK or if you're just scrolling through the funnies, maybe, maybe do like a wake up 15 minutes, you know, you set another alarm and then, you know, you 15 minutes at night or, you know, seven and a half minutes and then seven and a half minutes at day, you know, kind of break it up your day.
00:12:14
Big Dog
That way it's kind of farther apart. but it still gives you the wanting of being able to do it. And, you know, you can maybe do some energy scrolling, get some laughs going, get your mood better up in the morning, and then, you know, wind down TikToks at night. You know, I don't, I'm not on TikTok, so I don't know what algorithm looks like, but, ah you know, maybe you try to work both your left and right brain different parts of the day.
00:12:40
David Isaacs
Yeah, maybe i like toy around with it a little bit. But I think other thing that we we're talking about, too, is just like the overall being overwhelmed and then spiraling. So your brain freezing, thinking like, oh, I can't do this because there's too much to do. you just kind of freeze instead of breaking things down into smaller steps to be able to accomplish these things. And kind like the self love that you have for yourself that, OK, I am here. I'm trying to get to here and I'm only right here, but I know I can continue making small improvements to get to where I want to be.
00:13:19
David Isaacs
And I think, yeah, sometimes it's hard to really understand if this is like a realization that I have where it's like the realization of me not being able to stop myself by myself from scrolling on TikTok.
00:13:35
David Isaacs
or if I'm just being overly critical of myself. So it's like trying to read more into it, I guess, and getting more of an understanding of where I'm at.
00:13:47
David Isaacs
But I also could just be, you know, more self deprecating than is healthy.
00:13:54
Big Dog
Yeah, there's a i mean healthy amount of balance for anything, right? like yeah You can get down on yourself, but then it's also good to recognize the humor in that. um
00:14:05
Big Dog
One thing that has really helped me, not lately, I can get into that story in a minute, but I've kind of had some regression as far as my own personal development, but um shit happens. But ah one thing that was helping me when I was successful was...
Personal Development and Overcoming Challenges
00:14:21
Big Dog
um just kind of giving myself the grace to figure it out.
00:14:25
Big Dog
Um, I'm very impatient. And so when something doesn't go my way or, you know, something inconveniences me to take it of whatever I'm doing, I, I wasn't giving myself before. I wasn't giving myself any grace at all, you know, to, to learn these new things kind of, except that I'm not going to be able to, to be good or make this change right away. Just kind of slowing things down. So, um,
00:14:52
Big Dog
that's one thing that helped me, um you know, since we started this whole venture of holding ourselves accountable and, you know, kind of talking through these things on this podcast. So for last 10 or 11 weeks or more, um you know, I'm, I've been giving myself grace to that. You know, I don't need to,
00:15:14
Big Dog
you know, didn't, I and don't need to go sneak out of my bedroom and tell my wife that I have to go to the bathroom, make a plate of nachos and then just crush those. And the time that I'm gone and then sneak back up with, I have crumbs in my face.
00:15:26
Big Dog
Um, you know, or that I don't have to drink that extra can of, of water, uh, sorry, I can, but extra glass of water. Cause I'm really probably not that thirsty. and I'm going to be up all night peeing.
00:15:41
Big Dog
So, you know, even small things little things like that. So just help me not be, uh, you know, big old fat, so that I am currently,
00:15:51
David Isaacs
Well, no, I mean,
00:15:55
David Isaacs
and in terms of, don't know, your body, your fat composition, because I deal with it too, looking at the scale and kind of being and shaming myself, like, you know, what happened to those three pounds that I was down and I've regained it with weight fluctuations and everything. But yeah, I mean, it is the the balance of trying to find out things that work for you.
00:16:18
David Isaacs
And it is harder. It is a lot harder to manage and look at these things. And I'm not really envious of where people are at in their finances or fitness or whatever, because we all deal with different stuff that we have to go through in our lives and how much are we set up for success in a way that we have these habits as we age.
00:16:47
David Isaacs
And some people are just lucky enough to have, be taught healthy habits are in ah good enough of a position to not have as much to stress about.
00:16:58
David Isaacs
And yeah, with increased stress that comes from anything, it's going to be disrupting to anybody's routine. But for me, at least, I think it's, it's going to come down to like more journaling, more, you know, putting things down when I have a thought about something that I think might be a realization might be more self deprecating and Also just breaking a spiral or breaking the cycle of spiraling because I do freeze a lot when I think about the things that I want to get done because yeah I want to take...
00:17:32
David Isaacs
basically just take a shotgun to everything that I have to do and just like blast and like done. Like I'm, I'm behind on laundry. I'm behind on dishes. I need to clean the dishes. i need to go grocery shopping. I need to get to the gym. And, you know, these are just kind of thoughts that I have in my head and they don't really materialize into anything. So it's definitely something else that I'm going to have to look at balance and manage. And, you know, maybe there is some,
00:17:59
David Isaacs
opportunities maybe even some companies, uh, app ideas for getting you to, getting you to stop doing these things because the context of it too, is like, I'm on Tik TOK too often.
00:18:12
David Isaacs
I set a limit on how much I'm able to be on there, but that, That's that's good. It's great. But I also don't that doesn't correlate to me doing more in like the time lost on TikTok is probably just going to be spent on doing other things that aren't as productive. So at least it's what I was thinking of.
00:18:38
David Isaacs
um And yeah, I'm just go ahead.
00:18:42
Big Dog
Um, that's gonna say, um yeah, I mean, I'm, you know, I get a bunch of crossroads. Like I just got into a pretty ugly argument with my partner. you know, my wife earlier this week. So, um, you know, that really kind of set me a depression or certain mind state.
00:19:04
Big Dog
Um, be like, it wasn't about anything even in particular, like of consequence. We're supposed to go on vacation in July, but the people we're going with are some of her family, and it gets kind of dicey when that subject comes up, and this particular side of the family wasn't nice to us the last time that we saw them, and it's kind of been that way for a while, so i took a stance of not wanting to go because they treat us like shit, to be quite frank.
00:19:37
Big Dog
um you know and But she makes... my wife makes the argument. It's a good one of it's her family. Like you shouldn't be afraid of vacation with her family, but, um, at the same time, it's, they treat us horribly.
00:19:52
Big Dog
And you know, it's, I'm not going to stand for that. Like I'm i'm not going to want to be around that on a vacation, stepping on eggshells and, you know, not relaxing.
00:19:59
David Isaacs
no
00:20:04
Big Dog
I'm just stressing about that. Right. And that's, so that's going to send me on a spiral if I go there. so It's recognizing for me to not put myself in that situation. Obviously, easier said than done.
00:20:16
Big Dog
But when you kind of have that mindset, so when you, or at least tell yourself in the back of your head when you're spying around like that, just, it has to come at, right timing and then you have to take it one step at a time.
00:20:32
Big Dog
Um, it's easier to think about, you know, the, all the credit card debt that I have in that my, you know, my son ah has some motor function delays, you know, um speech speech delay is still, he's four years old. He's getting ready to go into you know, kindergarten as soon as coming, I think this, this summer,
00:20:53
Big Dog
um you know, and like, how are we going to pay for this vacation if we do go on it? It's when I started thinking about all those, um, it's like, well, my son's right here right now. I can always help.
00:21:08
Big Dog
He's always going to come first. Let's do that. And then, then let's worry about paying some debt down, but we also, and then, and then we started saving for this vacation. So, um, breaking it down like that,
00:21:22
Big Dog
has always always helped me to not to be better about not spiraling because let's be honest I still do it anyway I just did it recently so um it's kind of like the yin and yang episode I like to think of David is going up and I feel like I'm going down
00:21:40
David Isaacs
No, no, I don't. I don't think it's like that.
00:21:46
David Isaacs
If you look at I think about it in ways like the stock market, you know, over time, the S&P 500 returns about whatever is like 10% a year.
00:21:59
David Isaacs
But it's not every year that it does it. You know, there are down years, there's recessions, there's market bubble pops. But if you look at since the creation of the S&P 500 year, it goes up about 10%.
00:22:13
David Isaacs
But you're having to look at these in time horizons like a large amount of time. So I do think it is the kind of the ebbs and the flows that happen with personal improvement.
00:22:26
David Isaacs
And to say like, it's it's very hard for me to look at and visualize like where I was at last year or a few months ago and where I'm at right now because a lot of things are not really being seen.
00:22:42
David Isaacs
You know, like I do have more money saved. I have been better mentally, but I also haven't been in the gym in a few weeks. I had a disruption from getting sick.
00:22:54
David Isaacs
Um, know, me and Eric were working that job over the weekends. I started using my walking pad, like, and it's just constant shifting and finding a new balance. Cause yeah, I mean, today I feel like I haven't done as much as I wanted to.
00:23:11
David Isaacs
And there's like some days that we talked about before trying to find that self-love that you have of, you know, you, you are working to be better and this stuff doesn't happen overnight. It's easy to look and compare yourself with other people be on social media or whatever.
00:23:32
David Isaacs
And yeah, some people are doing very well financially or seeing people that are in the gym constantly and they look good. and what have you, but it's hard to really connect with how much work that actually that comes with it like each day.
00:23:47
David Isaacs
So, yeah, changing a habit that you've had ingrained in you for however many years and taking the steps to identify and work on these things is tough. That's just kind of the reality of it. It's harder to be able to do those things, to not spend as much money, to not eat terribly, um to take the time to.
00:24:10
David Isaacs
because That's where I get at. It's like, okay, well, I'll. I'm not going to be able to do things unless I write them down. They're on the forefront of my brain. I'm reminded of them. I, all this, but like that's taking more time than actually doing it. And I don't want to have to take more time instead of just doing it.
00:24:27
David Isaacs
So that's kind of like the, mentally like the struggle that I have all the time. Like I, I argue with myself constantly all throughout the day. I don't know if that's normal or not, but I'm like constantly like, you know, the devil and the angel on my shoulders are just continuously bickering.
00:24:49
Big Dog
Yeah, I get and I get that. um And it's also one of my terrible habits that I do ah instantly is when ah especially more often, obviously, when I'm feeling down or feel sad, sorry for myself is ah comparing myself to others.
00:25:08
Big Dog
um You know, i can look at my coworkers on my immediate team and see somebody who is a plumber. makes money doing that on the side. Um, you know, if I was complaining about being too busy, well, there's a girl who is, who does, who roll roller skates for, um, Flint Derby. I think I talked about her on the last episode.
00:25:34
Big Dog
Uh, you know, I see somebody who works for their parents as a, uh, their woodworking company. And then I see girl with graphic design and she has a successful side business. I see all of these things,
00:25:48
Big Dog
And all of these people are able to manage that and not completely come apart. Um, and it just makes me feel worse about myself. So, you know, um, especially i've been so depressed lately. I've been getting down hard on my health, getting down on myself. Excuse me. Sorry about that.
00:26:10
Big Dog
Um, of not being a great parent, of not being a great communicator, of not being this, and not being that. So it's, uh, a spiral I'm working my way out of currently, but, um you know, just feeling depressed, honestly, um really no other way to describe it. And I haven't been as happy and it's really nothing one subject in particular.
00:26:35
Big Dog
so
00:26:41
David Isaacs
I don't I don't I don't know with it. I think I know at least for me, like I don't set myself up for enough success.
00:26:59
David Isaacs
And like with all the learning that I've done and being able to apply these things, like I said, it's hard to really understand where I'm at compared to where I was before. Because I'm like, you know, constantly worried about the future, like don't think about or don't look at the past as much.
00:27:21
David Isaacs
Because there was a time where I was you know, in high school or in college and I was skinnier, I didn't have as much to worry about. um there's now, and I need to make a trip to Turkey to get a hair transplant here.
Genetic Limitations and Breaking Addictive Cycles
00:27:38
David Isaacs
if few here So this whole podcast and the success is predicated on the motivation for doing it.
00:27:39
Big Dog
Yeah, no kidding.
00:27:44
David Isaacs
It's just for me to have enough money to go get a hair transplant. Maybe I'll stop over and get some leg lengthening surgeries and stuff. Cause where I, um, Where I get at, like, most of the days is, you know, i'm only five foot four you know, having a receding hairline, male pattern baldness.
00:28:03
David Isaacs
So there are things that I can do for it, but I don't really want to take medication or add in any more into my routine than I already have. but there's some, some things each day. It's like, I do have control over this.
00:28:17
David Isaacs
Um, but I don't control, you know, how tall I am. I can't control my genetics at all. So there are a lot of times, you know, constantly being reminded about these things. And I know it's, you know, just kind of how people look at you because most of our senses are visual.
00:28:40
David Isaacs
Um, It's like, yeah, I mean, I can't do anything, so I don't worry about it. And the things that I can do, I try not to worry about it either because um I can get around and I can get into doing it.
00:28:53
David Isaacs
Like I said, I mean, it's. with how many decisions that we make every day and not all of them are going to be healthy for us. I mean, let's just I know I'm Dave, but I'll be frank for a second.
00:29:05
David Isaacs
Like not every yeah, not every ah decision that we make each day is going to be healthy.
00:29:05
Big Dog
Ha ha ha, ha ha. ah
00:29:10
David Isaacs
But maybe say yesterday I made four unhealthy decisions. Today I've only made two. And then trying to like look and understand because there's so much to do with just trying to rewire your brain I wish I was thinking about it too, trying to do like a dopamine detox.
00:29:29
David Isaacs
like no nicotine, no alcohol, no screens, you know, continuously putting together more supplies to be able to go hiking. so I'm planning on doing something like that to a place that's like an hour away and I can stay overnight at, and yeah, maybe just take some mushrooms or something. And hopefully my brain just rewires like, cause it has been very hard to kind of,
00:29:56
David Isaacs
work around my brain because it has been, it's been working against me for so long. You know, I'm in a negative feedback loop with nicotine. Um, I was in a positive feedback loop with exercise for a while, but it's so easy for getting a good habit and staying on a good routine with a good habit.
00:30:17
David Isaacs
It's so much easier to fall out of it than it is for ah routine with a bad habit. It's just not fair. It's not fair, Brian. I don't get it.
00:30:27
Big Dog
Yeah, I don't get it either. um It's a vicious, vicious cycle. ah This brain of ours.
00:30:41
Big Dog
Yeah, you're right. It's our best, well, worst enemy, but it's also our best friend. you know But it's ultimately up to us to kind of figure out our path. um I know that...
00:30:52
Big Dog
number like, Dr. I almost said Mr. Strange, Dr. Strange from Infinity War said, ah you know, number of universes that he visited, and number of, number of outcomes that for them to be victorious was, you know, 15,604, I four um i think it was, and the only, all those times that they were defeated, and out of all of those, only one was when they were victorious. So, there could be,
00:31:21
Big Dog
a million different ways, but it's all about trial and error and figuring it out. Um, I know we've kind of talked about that in the past, but, um, unfortunately, you know, if there's somebody who has, is feeling maybe enough to, you know, take their own life.
00:31:41
Big Dog
Um, you know, if there's somebody to that point, maybe, yeah i don't know, it's not,
00:31:48
Big Dog
I hope no one ever gets to that point. I was at that point during my unemployment when I was drinking, um you know, oh but taking kind of a step back and realizing that I would leave my son behind, I couldn't do that. and So that's kind of what took me off the brink of that. So,
00:32:08
Big Dog
um you know, there are people who have done that and you know, it takes us different kinds of courage that I don't know that I would have. Um, but I hope it never ever gets to that point for, you and you are way healthier than that. And if you ever get to that point, there's always, there's always hope. There's always going to be a different option. So, um,
00:32:33
Big Dog
yeah, like I, sorry, getting a little a little tangent. Uh, Yeah, it's it's funny to think that something that you we seemed or always want to pretend that we're in charge of or in control of is our brain, but it's always working against us.
00:32:51
Big Dog
And then when we think it's not, sometimes it might be doing the best thing, but it's like a whole spiral that I'm going on just trying to think figure out of all the different paths, all the different things that kind of work against us on on a daily basis.
00:33:08
David Isaacs
Yeah, I think thinking about it in a way that allowing your brain to understand what's available for you to do. So getting in a good habit of going to the gym,
00:33:20
David Isaacs
three, four or five times a week, it's like, Oh, your brain's like, oh we can do this. Like, this is good. This is great. I like this. And you continue to go. But it is something where you have to be in a good mental state, you to be in a good physical state to, you know, get up and have the motivation to actually go and do it.
00:33:40
David Isaacs
I think for me, a lot of times, it's just the introduction of ah nicotine, caffeine, alcohol in some degree that in my brain knows is available.
00:33:56
David Isaacs
And that's when start getting cravings, you start developing these habits. And yeah, it kind of works against you in a way not to say that it's my brain's fault.
00:34:09
David Isaacs
But you have to you know work against it. I've introduced something, these bad things that your brain enjoys or that your body enjoys. you become addicted to it.
Support Systems in Personal Growth
00:34:21
David Isaacs
And trying to break the cycle of addiction for everything is that's very tough. I know you've been been sober for quite some time. So that's quite the accomplishment because I know how hard it is for me to you know limit my drinking.
00:34:39
David Isaacs
And, yeah, I've kind of slipped with that as well. And, yeah, I mean, it's not healthy, obviously. It's not good financially. It's not good dealing with the – how I hung over I feel the next day.
00:34:57
David Isaacs
So, I mean, that's coming back into getting rid of that habit. And I think with the motivation and everything, like, you know, people have gone to therapy or have gotten life coaches or trainers for the gym. And really like that sense of community or somebody that kind of is working with you to help you out, whether it's mentally, physically, or just financially or in life in general. So I think I get to be very stubborn and
00:35:31
David Isaacs
Knowing that I am, i consider myself very, not very, I consider myself an an intelligent person, but in doing so, I think it's easier for me to, you know, do mental gymnastics or convince myself what I'm doing is not that bad.
00:35:51
David Isaacs
And at the same time, I don't want to shame myself and then just start gorging on the things that I've been trying to limit. and then falling back in kind of like that cycle. So, yeah, sorry hear about your mental state when you were unemployed for so long, but it's, yeah, it's tough for a lot of people.
00:36:14
David Isaacs
We, right now for employment and feeling like they're, these companies like don't want them. They're not needed. They're not worthy of just being able to work.
00:36:30
Big Dog
Yeah, um it was definitely a surreal experience, kind of out of body almost at times. um ah you know i've talked I've spent the past year or so talking about being unemployed, and it was only four and a half months, um you know but I wasn't in a good financial state for it to
Navigating Employment Challenges
00:36:50
Big Dog
really happen. you know i was I don't want to say it was unexpected, because it really wasn't, because had you know excited lost all motivation to, to do less, you know, like I was an, I didn't feel like I was mentally incentivized to work harder or do anything extra.
00:37:08
Big Dog
Um, just because people are so busy, and never had time for help, just like interaction with management, all that stuff. So, um, you know, it, it really wasn't a great time for me, but I think at the same time, it was also ah a perfect time for me because it's kind of,
00:37:29
Big Dog
brought me back to my hustle days. Like when I worked at a card store, you know, I i knew that I wasn't going to be able to afford anything and I was still living at my parents at the time. So I kind of had to flip that paycheck into buying magic card collections and buying old collectibles, um, and selling them them on eBay, you know, really stretching my dollar far.
00:37:50
Big Dog
um it kind of brought that sense back because I know that I have a lot of skills. I'm great with people, Um, when my brain doesn't want to fail me. Um, and so it really brought back that kind of almost survival instinct that I missed of sink or swim.
00:38:11
Big Dog
And I kind of lost that when I went corporate, like, I know that sounds weird. Like I, you know, kind of once I got past that, barrier of like $50,000 in my head that I had to earn to like, you know, be able to feel confident talking my friends that I work at a card store and telling them how much I make.
00:38:30
Big Dog
Um, you know, when they're all talking about 401ks you know, having sick bennies all like, I didn't have any of that. I had to pay for it all in my pocket. So had to take my dollar and make it 10.
00:38:43
Big Dog
um but you know, it brought back an instinct. It also made me think that there's a new trend apparently called micro employment where it's like people will work up to four different jobs for 40 plus hours a week.
00:39:00
Big Dog
Um, all as part-time or contract. Um, I thought that was interesting cause it's definitely kind of, I've been hearing that a lot where it's like people have to go from one teaching job to another or one nursing home to another.
00:39:15
Big Dog
um but that's might be a different topic for different episode. So
00:39:23
Big Dog
I, so anyway, it's my, my point is that it brought back that it's their survival instinct in me. So, you know, I, I do work in part-time job, but I also, are sorry, full-time job, but I also have ah side business, even though I've kind of taken, I mean, you know,
00:39:41
Big Dog
ah Taking on a little bit less projects every month. um I'm still making money on the side. So and I have a steady stream of income coming in and I'm getting better prepared financially, um you know, paying off debt and just saving more.
00:40:00
David Isaacs
I wouldn't. I'd be unemployed. Like you said, like it was only four and a half months for you, but... It's tough when the stakes are higher, you know when you have bills that you have to pay, when you don't know you know having your son or your wife or whatever, if things come up with her business or if there's some sort of medical emergency or whatnot.
00:40:28
David Isaacs
So yeah, I mean, it is tough and kind of that feeling that you you had a job before and people that are unemployed right now, even if they are working for a company, it's probably not going to be the best experience because there's so many variables to think about with these positions. A lot of people now that still have a job being overworked, underappreciated, a lot of companies trying to do more with less people. So my hope is that
00:41:00
David Isaacs
will have more of an expanse is people start to come around to understand that you can't really make enough at a corporate type job and you are going to have to hustle and you're five to nine starting your own company or working together with other people that they have companies and stuff because I think I'm sure you feel this too but you know working for yourself or working with a friend and taking the steps to kind of accomplish what it is that you're
00:41:32
David Isaacs
trying to do you know with a website you have the steps to say the you know you finish the contact page or the about us page you have that like small sense of achievement and it's also the only thing that you have to worry about you don't have to worry about manager coming down on you about something or them asking you do more and not wanting to pay you more money or you know and in emails from however many different people coming in. So with working with Eric on the painting job, it was fun.
00:42:05
David Isaacs
Kind of look, experiment with what we're doing. Okay, this isn't working. Let's try this. Or, you know, let's try to get some steps in to how we're going to tackle now that we've learned throughout the job, you know, how long is this actually going to take, how many coats of paint we're actually going to have to use.
00:42:25
David Isaacs
Let's set ourselves up for success. Let's start with priming everything so that by the time it dries, we can go back around and hit it with white paint real quick so we can get this done and over with as soon as possible.
00:42:39
David Isaacs
And just, you know, continued learning and just being there and, you know, we're just playing music and bullshitting. while working. And it is like been very, it was very cool, but that's not to say that.
00:42:54
David Isaacs
you know Eric didn't, he put a lot of work into being able to bid this job, convince the person that we would do a good job. And there's a lot of other factors that come with it too. But yeah, if you're willing to hustle and you take necessary steps into starting, growing, building, like there is a lot that ah lot of that sense of achievement that comes with it.
00:43:22
David Isaacs
But if just keeping the stakes as low as possible, as much as you can, while you're going through and you're learning these things, you know, how do you for painting or for the but websites, you know, what do you have to say? How do you communicate so really make the person trust and understand that they're getting a good value for what they're paying you to do?
00:43:48
Big Dog
Yeah, ah you bring up an interesting point. um I kind of thought about it. So um ah it's kind of interesting seeing how intelligent, um you know, tradespeople are.
00:44:05
Big Dog
um You know, let me preface this by saying I don't think tradespeople are, again, any lesser or dumber somehow not as smart as, like, you know, as a Jeff.
00:44:15
David Isaacs
You can anywhere in any company, any field, and there's going to be some fucking dumb people. Like, there's not <unk>s not a correlation between, you know, how far somebody up is in a company and how intelligent they are.
00:44:24
Big Dog
Yeah, for sure. Right.
00:44:32
David Isaacs
I think we've all kind of experienced that, and have met very intelligent people in a lot of other fields in that. So, yeah, I mean, I would... you would never suggest and I would never suggest you know either part of that, right?
00:44:48
Big Dog
Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. Um, But it's interesting, like, because, like, it's always the perception that someone is smart because they're good at tests or they're good at, um you know, memorizing certain things, like having a photogenic memory. And, you know, it will take all these always do homework and complete tasks and a simple assignments on time when you're in school, obviously, and then you get a grade for that well especially with now that I'm kind of working in like a commodities business where I do kind of interact with a lot of trades people.
Skills and Intelligence in Trades
00:45:24
Big Dog
um It's, it's interesting to kind of watch them work and have to, to figure out, to problem solve, like instantly, right? Like hammering a nail, isn't going to be the same time or same thing a hundred times out of a hundred. I don't,
00:45:40
Big Dog
you know, you're going to have to work through different problems. Maybe it's not going to go on one strike. Maybe you have it two or three times. Um, you know, maybe I, I miscalculated where this, this stud is going to be.
00:45:51
Big Dog
so it's like, or even, you know, if I saw through this, let me make sure that like, I'm, you know, not sawing through anything. Or if we kind of drill into this, uh, this flange is gonna, you know, it's going to be more piping that gets ripped out. Like,
00:46:10
Big Dog
there's always seem to be able to figure out this stuff kind of on the fly. And obviously when it's a paying customer and they were only expecting, you know, to have like a $500 bill, but now all of a sudden ah they weren't expecting, you know, now I have to pay $1,500 because you can figure this problem out, right? Like there's that kind of stakeholder at at play. So they have to be able to communicate,
00:46:36
Big Dog
you know, keep that cost down for that, that customer, but also be able to, you know, on the fly, fix this without maybe showing some kind of like, you know, regret or not knowing what you're doing.
00:46:51
Big Dog
um I'm very envious of that because it reminds me a lot of coding and, you know, data analysis, right? Like sometimes these things are going trial and error,
00:47:04
Big Dog
um And not as cut and dry as you think, like there's going to be having a lot of problems to solving, you know, or coding, or it's like, okay, this code isn't rendering how I thought, how do I figure it out? Or what kind of code do I have to write to actually get this to how the UI designer drew it up? So um kind of of the same thing when it comes to, ah you know, the intelligence of trades people. So,
00:47:30
Big Dog
um
00:47:33
Big Dog
you know, problem solving isn't also just about being at work, right? Like if you're at the gym, you know, how am I going to be able to get to the next rep or next, ah you know, pound up for a lift?
00:47:51
Big Dog
There's a lot of different ways to kind of measure and intelligence intelligence and even more to measure success, um you know, but I think all the common nightmares of them are learning from your failures, learning from your things that you need to to work on, and then breaking them down ah step at a time. And it's just one and O every time. It's kind of like a football mentality.
00:48:15
Big Dog
um we're not We're here to win the rep. We're here to like win the quarter. We're here to win the game, right? Like it's one step at a time.
00:48:24
David Isaacs
course. Yeah, I think the, we spoke about it before, right? But if your thought is to get rich and you don't adequately plan as to how you're going to be able to do that, instead you're buying lottery tickets or you're buying a bunch of these penny stocks, convincing yourself that you're going to return 10 times your money.
00:48:50
David Isaacs
And I've been there, you know, i was in the GameStop thing in, what was it? 2021, I think is when all that was happening. And I turned 1200 bucks into 38 grand and turned that 38 grand into four grand.
00:49:05
David Isaacs
So there's a lot of, um, so, I mean, I, I'd lost most of it is what I was meaning. So, um,
00:49:11
Big Dog
oh I was trying to figure out if you meant like...
00:49:14
David Isaacs
Yeah, no, no, it wasn't a mistake for what I was saying, but it was a mistake not to get out because, yeah, I was doing it with my emotions. I didn't have the and you hear about it with people that have won the lottery is that they lose a lot of it, too, because they have not had access to that amount of money before.
00:49:34
Big Dog
Yeah, yeah was they say that like 99% or some absurdly high number of lottery winners end up losing all of that money and more with a new year.
00:49:45
David Isaacs
Yeah.
00:49:48
David Isaacs
It happens with professional athletes. You know, families continuing to ask for money. It ruins the relationships that they have with their families because they have gotten, you know, a lot more money than anyone in the family could ever dream of.
00:50:05
David Isaacs
So kind like when that stuff comes around, um, new year's resolutioners having a plan to eat better or go to the gym more, or kind of having other things that they think about want to do.
00:50:17
David Isaacs
And they don't plan around the steps that it takes to actually do it. But, think a lot of the things that we do each day just kind of come down to, you know, listening, being present, and listening to your body and trying to work through these things. Because even if you go through, um you know, like the dead internet theory where the internet's kind of dead and they're just trying to sell you on anything. So you try to look these things up and it'll be like, oh yeah, here's two steps on how to accomplish that. If you want to pay for the next three steps, subscribe to my Patreon. It's like, well,
00:50:50
David Isaacs
How can I really trust that I'm getting good information or you're just trying to sell me on this thing even without just because you paid to get your website higher in the Google ranking algorithm?
00:51:01
David Isaacs
So it is tough to really do things for yourself and find good information because a lot of times I feel like I'm just they're just trying to sell me something. It's like not only do I have to get a gym membership, but now i have to pay for like fucking Fit Fred's top 100 guide to getting absolutely shredded for the summer.
00:51:27
David Isaacs
You know.
00:51:30
David Isaacs
So either way, like I said, I mean, I'll start making a journal and start scheduling things out. Maybe like Monday will be my grocery shopping day.
00:51:41
David Isaacs
Sunday will be my laundry day. Tuesday will be.
00:51:47
David Isaacs
something i don't know i haven't gotten that far yet but we'll we'll work on it and then i'll uh come back for it maybe i'll make it public for everyone to check in my progress but yeah a lot of the
00:51:59
Big Dog
Yeah, subscribe subscribe to your pat his Patreon. I'm just kidding, we don't have one.
00:52:03
David Isaacs
yeah subscribe to my patreon five dollars a month so you can see about i've managed to jerk off less this month than previously
00:52:16
Big Dog
That's the OnlyFans one, where David rewards himself by not jerking off 10 days in a row by jerking off in front of a camera, for one.
00:52:26
David Isaacs
Yeah, I did get one of those scam emails. They're like, you you horny little fucker. We caught you on your webcam jerking off and we're going to send this to everybody unless you pay us. I'm like, dude, I don't um don't give a fuck, man.
00:52:40
David Isaacs
i don't think I'm held in high regard enough in most people's minds to really um for them to look at that and think less of me. I've already, I'm already kind of pretty open about who I am what I'm up to and everything.
00:52:51
Big Dog
Right.
00:52:57
David Isaacs
So it's like, you know, whatever. But I think just, just trying to end on kind of a good note here. I'm going to get back into journaling. I'm going to have to look and set up some steps on the progress that I want to take. I definitely want to get back into the gym and I'll probably set a goal for myself of getting in at least one day this week.
00:53:19
David Isaacs
I think it's pretty cool too, is I have this app 18 birdies for when I go golfing and it sets goals for myself. And those goals are like very realistic as the the score that i usually shoot, which is usually in like the mid to high nineties.
00:53:33
David Isaacs
So it's like, Oh, you accomplished your goal. You got two pars. And I'm like, yeah, that's, that's pretty good. I mean, but that, that is more realistic to like what I'm trying to accomplish instead of like, you know,
00:53:40
Big Dog
Yeah.
00:53:45
David Isaacs
I need to lose 10 pounds before the end of March. I'm just not going to eat anything or I'm going to take a bunch of, uh, laxatives or whatever. It's like, yeah, you try it.
00:53:57
David Isaacs
You can't get healthy by doing unhealthy things. And that is just unhealthy. Yeah. your goals have, at least in my mind, I think your goals have to be aligned with doing things that are healthy for each step along the way.
00:54:11
David Isaacs
And sometimes contextually, it's hard. know, even at my job, I get faced with questions all the time about like, well, why is why is x doing y? Well, because of this, or how do we know that we're getting better at podcasts and stuff?
00:54:29
David Isaacs
like we could gain an audience, but that doesn't necessarily mean that we're getting we're doing better the podcast space. I know it's a way to measure success because you want to grow your audience. But who's to say, you know, we are better than we were a few weeks ago. I truly believe we are.
00:54:50
David Isaacs
But how do I look at the steps that I want to take to be able to speak more clearly, speak more concisively? And it just comes with more more reps and being able to train for public speaking stuff using less filler words writing down what i want to say thinking about what i want to say instead of just winging it because you know my whole life i've been able to just wing it but where has that gotten me it's gotten me to be about 40 pounds overweight um can't can't stick with my goals you know we're just we're just out here winging it man i'm gonna
00:55:27
David Isaacs
drive up to the gas station, grab me a six pack, a few Zins, you know, come back and just, it's so easy for my mind, i think, to just go into the automatic mode and not have to worry about it as much. But trying to find a healthier way to worry, i guess not worry, but a healthier way to think about where I need to be at and who I'm trying to become.
00:55:54
Big Dog
Yeah, it's ah kind of like to sum up this episode, it's kind of easy to, you know, spiral out of control, especially with things that we may or may not have control over um things we make things easier. We just focus on the things that we can control. If we can, you know, if I can, like I said earlier, stop myself from eating a burrito and microwaving it.
00:56:20
Big Dog
um And, you know, do that maybe five less times per week, which is the exact number I do it each week. um
00:56:31
Big Dog
Like, You know, even if it's four, I guess that's progress, but really i just need to stop eating those midnight burritos. They really they they'll really get you. So, you know,
00:56:44
Big Dog
ah
00:56:47
Big Dog
one step at a time. And that's all you can really tell yourself to to get better and not tell yourself any less, anything less.
00:56:57
David Isaacs
Yeah. And just the realization that anything that seems like it's too quick to be able to do things, because realistically, like a pound of wheat pound a week for weight loss is pretty realistic. You know, you're going to start off losing lot more by changing your eating habits, your physical activity habits and whatnot. But when you start to get plateaued a little bit and then you're going to have to be become even more restrictive and I don't recommend you do this, but I was logging my meals into MyFitnessPal for a while.
00:57:33
David Isaacs
And it really gives you a better perspective on what it is that you're actually putting in your body, how many calories you're actually ingesting or sodium or fat. And eventually just stopped doing it because I'm like, well, I'm not going to put in this meal I just got from McDonald's because I'm going to feel so bad about how many calories it's going to tell me I'm eating. And you like,
00:57:55
David Isaacs
you're two times your sodium for the day. What are you doing? You fat fuck. Like, yeah, but it it was helpful for a time, but it just comes with more. it It doesn't take more time, but you just got to have that step in your mind mentally into doing it.
00:58:10
David Isaacs
Having a step to journal every day or set up a schedule for yourself or log your meals, setting a fucking timer on TikTok. So i was watching too many like Jack Coldrickson, M.D.: videos or dog videos or whatever it's not say that it's bad, but eventually is.
00:58:27
David Isaacs
it is
00:58:31
Big Dog
Yeah, maybe we should ah
00:58:35
Big Dog
watch few less dog videos or cats. Either way, you know, metaphorically, literally, we got to stop watching less TikToks and start doing more pull-ups.
00:58:48
David Isaacs
Yeah. Yeah. Like I said before, you know, I, when I was a kid, I'd be playing Call Duty and juggling a soccer ball. And at at least in that time and kind of what I'm doing now with the standing desk, getting rid of my office chair, I got a walking pad underneath me. Like that's a good change.
00:59:06
David Isaacs
But as far as the TikTok change, it's like, it, it, it's only really helpful if the, The time I was spending on that is shifted into doing something that's more productive instead of just getting on my computer and looking up YouTube shorts or something.
00:59:22
David Isaacs
So don't have YouTube on my phone, but I will watch videos every once in a while. My phone's still in grayscale I still want to look at it constantly. and so i was thinking about too with just the dopamine detox of just trying to limit the things that i do each day that release a ton of dopamine because i think that has been negative for my motivation as well and being a little bit more detail oriented and you know so there's a lot of things but at least the first step for me is journaling and scheduling
01:00:00
Big Dog
Yeah, I think for me, ah simply put, is to all so to follow my own medicine or to follow my own advice would be to want and take one step at a time. so like um you know I'm sure as people could kind of pick up, I'm not in the best of moods for this podcast, but it has to be done and um just have to hold myself accountable every week.
01:00:25
Big Dog
um But
01:00:29
Big Dog
you know, simply put for me, it would be just to be in a less depressed state. So doing one thing that I could actually be doing more of, and I, I've, I've done it recently is, uh, is, you know, doing a gratitude journal. What, what makes me happy documenting that and, you know, kind of taking the data and
01:00:49
Big Dog
taking it as feedback to it, to get better. Like, what am I failing at? Or what am I, what need do I need to focus on more and focus on less to make myself less stressed out, have more energy yeah and just feel way better about myself. So think I'm, my first step would be just think about the things that make me happy and less than the things that make me sad.
01:01:15
Big Dog
um you know, put myself in a better and positive mind state to reinforce, you know, going upward in, and getting better mentally. So, um and then focusing on exercises.
01:01:31
Big Dog
It's warmer out here in Michigan. So I'm a little bit more motivated to go on like walks for, like my one shbick when I work from home. ah We have a nice, when I'm actually in office, we have a nice bike and walking trail, literally at the end of my street that we work at. So um I really have no excuse to not
01:01:56
Big Dog
ah and exercise and do better because I know that will also help me mentally. So um I think going outside for a walk and and documenting my progress, whether it's in my phone or actually writing it down.
01:02:09
Big Dog
So I think those are going to be my two things I'm going to stick with.
01:02:15
David Isaacs
Yeah. Well, sorry, you're not in a better mood. um But, you know, glad you're still around. And you've stuck it out and found a company and a job that you enjoy doing.
01:02:31
David Isaacs
And I think that, yeah, at the end of the day, i think to myself, like I could be doing, have so many, so much more opportunity to be doing more and working to do more.
01:02:43
David Isaacs
And, you know, I just get in my own head too often. And it's been like that for a long time. So it's going to be hard to, break through that, but it's something that needs to be done and we're just taking things one step at a time. So I think regardless of your circumstances and, you know, the things that you're dealing with, there always room for improvement.
01:03:07
David Isaacs
And some people obviously have it out worse than others, but to anybody, you know, just one step at a time, one day at a time.
01:03:19
David Isaacs
And like you're currently dealing with or whatever you're going through, it's temporary. And yeah, there's people around you that love you, care about you, wish the best for you, and just try to keep those people around and, um, you know, if it comes to pass and you do need help or you need to talk to somebody, then definitely recommend, you know, i'm doing it instead of just shutting down completely because a lot can be accomplished, um, by just reaching out, looking for help, looking for some guidance. And, yeah, I think in general, like just, uh,
01:04:01
David Isaacs
just you're trying to get better yourself and people recognize and pick up on these things, but it's all down to, you know, your personal journey. What does it mean to you? what does it mean to you to be able to go to the gym or eat healthier you know, provide better for your family?
01:04:21
David Isaacs
and yeah, I think the, the feelings of accomplishment and feelings of you being on the right path are so worth all the, uh, the struggles that you go through to get to that point.
01:04:33
David Isaacs
So I kind of leave you with that, at least for me. And yeah, Brian, close out the episode here for us.
01:04:42
Big Dog
Yeah. um Thanks for listening to everybody. um it was... so it And ah thanks, David, for still ah tolerating with me and keeping on this podcast.
01:04:55
Big Dog
I know it's been up and down with me sometimes. So... Yeah.
01:04:59
David Isaacs
Yeah, don't check LinkedIn.
01:04:59
Big Dog
Yeah.
01:05:00
David Isaacs
There might be a don't don't look into podcast hosts needed for podcast late stage evolution.
01:05:08
Big Dog
Yeah. ah yeah
01:05:10
David Isaacs
Don't don't read into that.
01:05:10
Big Dog
da Yeah.
01:05:12
David Isaacs
I'm kidding. Obviously.
01:05:14
Big Dog
um Yeah. um that That's going to be us for everybody. Thanks for listening and stay tuned next week.
01:05:22
David Isaacs
Bye bye.