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Asking for Help
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Brian and Dave speak about Deer, Gardening, Mental Health, and the Job Market.
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David's Return to Therapy and Mental Health Discussion
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David Isaacs
Welcome back, everyone. It is April 14th. I am here with my colleague, Brian.
00:00:07
Big Dog
How you doing, everybody? David, how you doing, man?
00:00:12
David Isaacs
um Better today, but yeah i mean most days really up and down. kind of wanted to focus today on me deciding to go back to therapy and kind of the decision why that was made and what I'm looking to get out of it.
Gardening Plans and Egg Costs
00:00:29
David Isaacs
so we'll talk about that little bit of stuff around the house it's getting to be pretty close to starting the garden season so me and brian give you updates on kind of our plans on trying to grow things locally and ways that we've gotten around having to spend however much money on eggs recently
00:00:54
Big Dog
Yeah, and oh I know. I thought it was just like a regional thing. I'll just speak on this for a second. I thought it was like a regional thing just because like our state in Michigan just recently passed like, and don't know if it's legislation or whatever you want to call it for that all eggs have to technically be cage free. But apparently there's like a lot more states that did that.
00:01:12
Big Dog
um So yeah, we can talk about egg prices and just the rise of costs in general. So happy to get into it.
00:01:23
David Isaacs
Sure.
Impact of Chronic Wasting Disease and Deer Population Issues
00:01:24
David Isaacs
Yeah, I did see there's a chronic wasting disease that has been affecting deer around in the United States for a while. And a lot of the a lot of a ah wildlife conservatists were kind of against allowing these deer to congregate.
00:01:44
David Isaacs
Yellowstone, I forget exactly. there was, there is there's some company or some interest group that was having them in pretty close proximity. And they're thinking that I give rise to why they're getting sick.
00:01:58
David Isaacs
And I learned about prions, which I'm even more scared of prions than I am a fungus now, but, uh,
00:02:04
Big Dog
Yep. Zombie deer.
00:02:07
David Isaacs
Yeah, so these prions that can live in the ground for however long off the carcass of a deer that has been zombified due to chronic waste disease, and they ah just the prions can just be there, deer comes up to eat some shrub or something after deer that died from chronic waste disease.
00:02:31
David Isaacs
um after like a few years and they can get it and it's becoming more and more of an issue but there doesn't seem to be any specific cure and really just like preventative measures for it i definitely see a lot of deer around in the area that don't have it luckily but
00:02:52
Big Dog
Yeah, there's definitely been, especially in like Southeast Michigan, there's definitely been an influx
Deer Overpopulation and Ethical Hunting Practices
00:02:57
Big Dog
of deer. Like I think they estimate somewhere between 230,000 and think right i think right around a quarter million deer, or maybe it's 25,000 deer. Either way, um a large number have just kind of, the population in Michigan specifically has kind of just gotten out of, ah you know, control and they're heading straight.
00:03:17
Big Dog
heading south kind of more into more populated areas just for food source and obviously stay away from predators. Um, a lot of people think deer are cute and, uh, you know, this wonderful animal, maybe it's a bias from growing up with Bambi, but, uh, deer eat anything and everything that they can get. Like if you look at your trees outside or just bushes and like the bottom, you know, two or three feet are just chewed out. That's, that's deer.
00:03:51
Big Dog
Um, they get into ah crops and all sorts of things. Um, not to bad mouth deer, but, um, if this disease kind of becomes more prevalent in their, their ranks and population, it might be a concern, um you know, potentially for, you know, the future. So, um, kind of scary stuff to,
00:04:13
Big Dog
to think about but you know obviously i'm not trying to start a worldwide panic here it's just a small small percentage of deer are affected by it luckily for us uh we're you know we i haven't seen any or come across any
00:04:28
David Isaacs
yeah The golf course, I went and played, what was it, Thursday. and it was like 40 degrees outside, and had the whole golf course to myself. And walking around, looking for a ball in the woods, I look behind me, and there's four deer laying down.
00:04:45
David Isaacs
And like, go to the next hole, and there's just one deer off to the side.
00:04:45
Big Dog
Casually.
00:04:50
David Isaacs
Go to the next hole, I look behind me, there's four deer laying down. I get to the hole after that, look to my right, and there's two packs of four deer just along the fairway. So around the...
00:05:03
David Isaacs
like rivers, like the Rouge River that we have down here. And there's few like vacant lots that are still wooded that you can see them in and have them run across. And even in my neighborhood, because the guy behind me feeds the birds, but it also feeds the rats. It feeds the squirrels. It feeds the skunks. It feeds the deer.
00:05:25
David Isaacs
So, when, no unfortunately, we don't have dogs here anymore, but,
Wildlife Observations and COVID-19 Behavioral Changes
00:05:31
David Isaacs
yeah, late at night, sometimes you hear them bark, or they want to go outside and come, like, crying to you, so you go and let them outside, and then you hear, you know, a deer crash into the fence as it's jumping over it, and
00:05:44
Big Dog
Yeah.
00:05:46
David Isaacs
They are pests. They are like you had said, they've eaten a ton of my mom's plants that she had around the house, like the outskirts of the house, like just on the outside of it.
00:05:58
David Isaacs
And the one thing i think with regards to hunting is that if you are... There's people that say, like, i only eat what I kill.
00:06:10
David Isaacs
So somebody that might be ah vegan or vegetarian but is also a hunter just because we're trying to control and curb that population because, yeah, what happens with, which probably I think happened with COVID, it's kind of just like the downtrodden effects of that where there wasn't as many cars on the road and they were free to roam a little bit further.
00:06:31
David Isaacs
But yeah, we really have to get the population down. So if you are ah hunter, and you know, i I think it's, you know, most ethical way, something that's lived in nature and existed in nature. And it's just, you know, just happenstance that you're the one to put them down instead of a chicken or a cow that's basically just raised for slaughter from the beginning.
00:06:57
David Isaacs
and At least with deer. know there's a lot of hunters that I've talked to and have come across that some won't use a high powered rifle. They will use like a black powder one or they'll use a bow and arrow just to like make sure that they're given the animal enough of a chance.
00:07:16
David Isaacs
But yeah, I've never really liked hunting that much, but ah I'm not going to shoot a deer in my backyard, but it might be, you know, worth planning going, you know, opening day or somewhere close to it this year, try to help curb the population.
00:07:36
Big Dog
Yeah. Um, I know that hunters, I'm, I'm not a hunter. I'm, you know, I take the stance that the comedian Ron White did of, I don't want to get up early. i don't want to go out where it's cold.
00:07:49
Big Dog
Like just not me. Plus I don't, I'll be honest. I don't really like the taste of deer meat. Like I don't like venison at all. Like I know that it's, it's gainy or gamey, however you say it. And, you know, it can technically be healthier of sorts, but, uh,
00:08:05
Big Dog
You also have to take cooking precautions with game meat like that. So um anyway, getting away from my point, I know that because my my brother is a very avid hunter, um I know that he prefers to hunt deer with a bow and arrow.
00:08:20
David Isaacs
Thank you.
00:08:24
Big Dog
same Along the same lines of what you're saying, like you hit it right right between the shoulder or just past the shoulder, hit it right in lungs, it'll... give the deer the least amount of pain um and also give you the least amount of damage to like your carcass when you go to, you know, to take it to a deer processor and get all the meat from it.
00:08:47
Big Dog
um I know that the state of Michigan has granting certain damage what's term, like extra deer licenses um outside of like normal season, um just because they understand that the population has grown um a little bit more significantly over the years.
00:09:07
Big Dog
um And that I don't know if it's like nature is healing, quote unquote, but just in Michigan in general, I know that they spott it they've spotted like black bears closer to like the lower peninsula is like the first time that they've been in I don't know how they get across from where they're coming from. Exactly. It makes me wonder if they're like crossing the Mackinac bridge or something, something hilarious like that. But um mostly wildlife like that is normally in the upper peninsula.
00:09:40
Big Dog
um But bears, and I think they just spotted a cougar and ah Wolverine, I think they're hoping Wolverines in the UP. So I don't know. I,
00:09:52
Big Dog
I guess what i'm trying to say is there there seems to be a significant amount of animal population that's moving like south from where their normal their grounds are at least here in in Michigan. So just ah curious about that if it's kind of becoming a trend for all species because also somebody shot a gray wolf near Grand Rapids like seven months ago. it was like national news. It's the first time that they'd ever seen him in the lower peninsula since like the eighteen hundred s or something.
00:10:23
David Isaacs
Hmm.
00:10:23
Big Dog
So I'm not going say I'm going to, yeah, I'm not going to say i'm going to keep track of this for you.
00:10:25
David Isaacs
Yeah, that's crazy.
00:10:29
Big Dog
Like I'm like some newsman, but it is something to kind of keep in the back of everyone's head. um Maybe it's weather change or climate change, whatever the case is, but you know, animal migrations are sometimes usually an indication of that. So yeah.
Gardening Challenges and Self-Sustainability
00:10:48
David Isaacs
Yeah, could be a a myriad of factors. I know during COVID, they were spotting whales where they've never seen whales before or dolphins and ports and how close that they had come.
00:11:02
David Isaacs
And yeah, bears, I've seen black bears around, you know, kind of the the met the middle of the lower peninsula. They are more prevalent in the UP, definitely around more in kind of the lower peninsula, which I guess there's a little bit more urban in some areas than the UP can be but it is mostly wooded.
00:11:23
David Isaacs
So it's strange that the population down here isn't as large as it is up there in the UP.
00:11:23
Big Dog
yet so
00:11:28
David Isaacs
But you're right about the cougars thing. I was actually looking that up today and Canada lynxes, bobcats, cougars, you know, a lot of good wildlife in and around the area. But yeah, i mean, the problem with the deer is that they can starve.
00:11:43
David Isaacs
There's nothing keeping them from breeding constantly and yeah it's it's all fun to was taking a walk the other day and seeing somebody that had apples and carrots out on the side of their lawn yeah that's that's cool you want to feed these deer and whatnot but people that hit them with a car and whatever the ones that end up just starving to death it sucks so but i do know with
00:12:16
David Isaacs
Michigan growing up was like, oh, you never shoot doe. You never shoot doe. You only ever shoot bucks. So that could also be a part of it too with the doe population that has gotten large enough. And it's not like...
00:12:30
David Isaacs
a buck is going to ah stop mating. you know, it doesn't mate for life or whatever. So that can definitely be another factor in it as well.
00:12:43
David Isaacs
So yeah, hopefully it gets to a point where it's more balanced again. I don't mind seeing deer around, but
00:12:50
Big Dog
Yeah, I mean, I live, you know, 20 minutes north of Detroit, like, and, you know, Michigan is kind of like, I guess, like, Illinois in a way where it's like, kind of built around, like, Illinois is kind of like built around Chicago, right? It's like kind of just like this webbing effect, like, Michigan, and at least the lower peninsula is kind of that same way, or it's kind of, it seems like it's built around, like, um Detroit, Flint,
00:13:17
Big Dog
Lansing and like Grand Rapids, um you know, kind of like that webbing suburban area. um So, I mean, I know ah I live like close like Southfield and Redford. That's a little bit like kind of wood or woodsier area, but like my direct, there's literally nothing, there's no forest around me. There's like, obviously we have a number of trees, but I wouldn't, you know, constitute it as like a forest. It's like a park is like the biggest thing that would have trees, but it's nothing to like,
00:13:47
Big Dog
you know, I would say to call a herd of of deer, but we've, I think there's pictures every day of, of different deer around Metro Detroit, which is it just crazy to me that they're just like running down the street.
00:13:53
David Isaacs
Yeah.
00:14:01
Big Dog
Like it's like a zombie apocalypse, right? Like it's like, it's like fucking I am legend where the street is just quiet and you just see a deer shoot down, you know, fucking Woodward or something. So,
00:14:13
David Isaacs
yeah
00:14:16
Big Dog
um, So yeah, yeah it's it's definitely interesting and um which makes me cautious because my wife and I are planning on yeah we just went to Eastern Market which is this huge kind of farmer's market, if you will, um down in Detroit and we got you know flowers and seeds and and all these other things because we're going to start, which kind of brings us to our our maybe another topic of we're kind of trying to become self-sustainable like um America
00:14:47
Big Dog
Americans used to be before, you know, the over-processing of food and just gluttonous kind of production that we've used to just with the ah rising food costs and all these tariffs and this trade war and all this. So, you know, I have a family that I have to look after. And when I can't just go to the grocery store and my $100 buys me, used to buy me like, you know, a whole...
00:15:17
Big Dog
plethora of groceries now it buys like four things um we have to find way to cut costs and way that we do that and we can do is we had right you know raised garden beds and we're growing plants we're growing tomatoes cucumbers um fuck i can nail a whole list like a whole salad um that we're trying to grow this season and it makes me scared with these deer that if they get into like you had we're talking about earlier of getting into our crop quote unquote, um, that we just kind of, you know, blew money on all of that. so
00:15:55
David Isaacs
Right. Yeah, we have to, like talking about neighbor that feeds the birds, we're going to have to put up some sort of fencing and bird netting around anyways, ah just to try to circumvent that whole issue.
00:16:12
David Isaacs
And yeah, you're right. I'm trying to get a little bit more self-sufficient on things because rising egg prices, ah rising prices just at the grocery store in general, and the produce quality has just gotten so bad.
00:16:27
David Isaacs
i can't buy a bag of apples because even this bag of apples now is going to cost me twice as much as it did five years ago, but it's also only going to last like a third of what I normally would be able to get them for it because there's always a apple in there that rots before anything else and yeah it's just it sucks and even putting things in the fridge it's just it takes longer to get up here from you know mexico or coming from canada or i know apples are usually stored for like a year in some places after they've been waxed but you go to kroger and you'll see a but a bag of apples with an apple rotting in it like how are you
00:16:44
Big Dog
Yep.
00:17:06
David Isaacs
where you're supposed to go to get good produce around in the area. And these are organic. So those were the other part of it too, just looking at, you know, what's the logic on getting apple trees.
00:17:19
David Isaacs
And i mean, the logic's relatively sound, but you need at at least two of them so that they can germinate or the pollinate between the two of them.
00:17:30
David Isaacs
um
00:17:31
Big Dog
Yeah, cross-pollinate, yep.
00:17:33
David Isaacs
Right. The same thing with the deer. you know, they'll eat, they'll eat the buds, they'll eat the branches, they'll eat whatever. Right? Like the fucking, the hostas my mom has.
00:17:45
David Isaacs
They're gone.
00:17:45
Big Dog
Yeah.
00:17:46
David Isaacs
All of it is gone.
00:17:47
Big Dog
right Yeah, and it's not, I mean, especially apple trees, you know, those take years. I mean, I think ah at least five years, and that's, you know, if you got the right cross, what's that?
00:17:59
Big Dog
germination, pollen, whatever the the term is, um you got the right combination of trees. It's, it still takes five to 10 years just to, for you to be able to get, you know, a good crop of apples um and or a steady flow of them anyway.
00:18:15
Big Dog
And i mean, that's the same thing with gardening, right? Like, you know, it's not like you plant tomatoes, you have to, you know, have the right soil. you have to put them like and so they wrap around vines cause tomato plants get kind of crazy when they grow.
00:18:30
Big Dog
um and you know, that's not all instantaneous. So that takes time. And then if you have ah ah a critter or a deer that's chewing on them, like that's just, uh, on top of money wasted, that's time spent and, and, you know, energy wasted all because of, you know, a pest. Right. So,
00:18:54
Big Dog
ah but yeahll yeah you have to kind of invest in the quote unquote security. And I'm not saying go and get a fucking three 57 Magnum, but you know, you gotta, like you were talking about putting like fencing or, you know, some type of safeguard, like you, obviously or you don't want to put pesticides on them. Like we're just, we'd just be back in the square one of buying from the grocery store. So, um, yeah, it can definitely be frustrating, but if you're do the research and you're, you're smart, careful about it and smart about it, then,
00:19:25
Big Dog
um You can make yourself sustainable for six months, you know, at minimum. And obviously all that stuff, you know, depending on the plant can kind of grow back next year, especially with herbs and things like that.
00:19:32
David Isaacs
Yeah. Yeah,
00:19:41
David Isaacs
yeah you have the perennial plants and we're looking at doing at least a blackberry bush, but probably blackberry and raspberry since my mom doesn't like blueberries and my sister's allergic to them anyways. But yeah, if you want, you can get and looking at greenhouses right here for $350, $250 just from Home Depot, which I'm sure you can get it cheaper on Timu or some other place.
00:20:10
David Isaacs
But even with that, or if you want to start some sort of grow up in your basement, say if you had some sort of salsa business, you would have your tomatoes and your onions and your cilantro and
00:20:18
Big Dog
Yeah, there you go.
00:20:26
David Isaacs
whatever else that you wanted in there just grown down because yeah in michigan we have to wait until i think at least may 12th is the last day for frost before you can start planning things but yeah we're planning and A lot of different stuff, banana peppers, pickling cucumbers. want to get like some things canned.
00:20:46
David Isaacs
and I think the banana peppers and the pickled cucumbers would be good for more of a fermented type of pickle rather than because the pickles that we have now are mostly just vinegar.
00:21:00
David Isaacs
right They're not fermented in a way that makes things ah better for your gut in any sense.
00:21:01
Big Dog
Yep. Right.
00:21:06
David Isaacs
They are good for hydration sometimes because of the salt and vinegar and the juice.
00:21:11
Big Dog
right
00:21:12
David Isaacs
A lot of people use them for hangover cures or cramp cramping cures or what have you. But yeah, i mean, there's no one way to do it. And it's something else just kind of look forward to and to feel good about yourself to be able to grow these things.
00:21:28
David Isaacs
I know you had mentioned getting farm fresh eggs from somebody
Egg Industry Changes and Local Farming Solutions
00:21:32
David Isaacs
at work. I do know somebody else that also has eight chickens. And yeah, if you're able to get in contact with somebody in and around your area that has chickens, they've probably got more than enough eggs for you.
00:21:47
David Isaacs
So that's another way or farmer's markets.
00:21:50
Big Dog
Yeah. So my particular city is, is weird. Um, they only hand out five like licenses for, to have chickens like in the city per year.
00:22:07
Big Dog
um and they only allow three hens. So the, I guess the caveat for people who don't know is that like places like, uh, tractor or, uh,
00:22:20
Big Dog
yeah tractor supply or farm yeah they they hand out four at a time so and most municipalities who do allow chickens don't have a limit like per household that can like within the city i mean i my city is two square miles right like it's very small but we're obviously surrounded by other bigger cities um both of that being said like it's
00:22:21
David Isaacs
Tractor supply.
00:22:45
Big Dog
there's been a push by, you know, a lot of citizens to to do away with that just because, yeah, like the cost of eggs is absurd. I mean, and went into my local grocery store and, you know, I was seeing like five or $6 for ah dozen. It's kind of come down now. I think it's like $4.50, but still that's absurd. and I mean, i don't, haven't done the the cost of what four hens was, but again, it's kind of one of those things of,
00:23:12
Big Dog
like I was talking about with gardening is that even if you invest, you know, obviously the resources and the the money to get these hens, like they're still going to take time to be able to produce those eggs.
00:23:25
Big Dog
Um, you know, I think it's like a year, 18 months, eighteen months um Well, first off, you have to keep them inside. I think it's like the first six months of their existence until they grow feathers. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it's ah six months to a year. they grow They have to grow their feathers so they can stay out in colder climates.
00:23:44
Big Dog
um And then there's another short amount of time before they actually start laying eggs. Now, once they get going, you know, they're 7 to 12 eggs a day. you know, that's up to, what, like 5 dozen per week.
00:24:01
Big Dog
That's a lot eggs. Long story short, or what I'm kind of long-winded of saying is that, um yeah, find somebody or do it yourself of getting farm fresh eggs. First off, the the eggs are way better for you than anything you can buy in their grocery store because they bleach the eggs to make them white, which kills the lifespan of them. I mean, with farm fresh eggs, you can I think you can leave them on the counter without being refrigerated for $2,000.
00:24:30
Big Dog
three weeks or three months. It's something absurdly long. um And then then you can put them in the fridge. So they last longer than anything that you would buy in the store anyway.
00:24:42
Big Dog
um And that would just lead to also just better health benefits too, because they're not over-processed.
00:24:51
David Isaacs
Yeah. But it comes down to with this. One of the things that I was thinking about recently, especially with the habit changes trying to make of the balance that comes with it.
00:25:04
David Isaacs
So it is generally a good idea to have your own chickens, but that's added responsibility. You know, they're dirty, they are somewhat high maintenance, like you have to make sure you feed them however many times a day, yeah have to be checking the coop for eggs, otherwise they'll roost and think that they are going to hatch when they're not going to and it's kind of a pain to try to get rid of them. so that's like offering that option of if you can get in contact with somebody that it has chickens, that they're probably producing more than enough eggs than what they actually need.
00:25:39
David Isaacs
But I guess it would be, it might not be a bad idea if you do get chickens just to try to get in contact with local restaurants or breakfast places or something to see, they'd be interested in having them.
00:25:40
Big Dog
Dope.
00:25:52
David Isaacs
But I know there are a lot of, laws and regulations around it. So maybe that wouldn't be a possibility. But if you do, you can always look out and see for people if they need eggs.
00:26:04
David Isaacs
and And know the biggest problem with the egg shortage that had happened is bakeries and other businesses that rely on those eggs that got hit hard because of it. And they have to transfer that cost to the consumer.
00:26:20
Big Dog
Yeah, my wife is, well, I know there's there's there's also a local cookie company, Detroit cookie company. can, you know, look them up on their social media. um They were on Channel 7, so they ate local ABC News. um You know, she's like, we buy, think like 12,000 eggs per month just to fill, or it was a week or a month.
00:26:45
Big Dog
Either way. you know, because obviously their primary business is cookies. And when you need for cookies, ah majority of cookies, obviously with like health concerns and, or lifestyle change, like, ah like vegan, um, it, the primary ingredient or one of them is eggs. So, you know, if you're going through 12,000 eggs in a month and, you know, even at wholesale costs of, you know, three, $54, that's a lot of fucking money.
00:27:13
Big Dog
So, um, yeah, that's one thing you want to, the great business venture would be to have your own farm system going to be able to supply it to these local restaurants. Or i don't, and I don't want to pretend that I know, you know, the, the laws around that or anything like that.
00:27:35
Big Dog
um But I mean, if being self sustainable is one thing, but you know, if you could turn it into moneymaker, go for it. know there's,
00:27:46
Big Dog
with that cage free thing, I know there a little bit more restrictions on that type of stuff, but yeah, you're absolutely right. It's another way to kind of think about this too.
00:27:56
Big Dog
um
00:27:59
Big Dog
if, especially if you're going to invest in you know, chicken coops and feed and, you know, obviously the space that it would take to, to do that. So, um, like my wife is,
00:28:14
Big Dog
she spends gosh like hundred dollars on eggs probably every other week just based just for her you know regular orders um so it went from you know getting i think it was like nine dozen or something to or she was she was ordering that like every week now she can only afford to do that um like every two weeks or every three weeks it's just like it it's just a hasn't affected her business much, but it's kind of to the point where she has to start raising her prices temporarily. And, you know, even if they do, alert prices. So it just, it not only affects just us as individuals, it's also affecting business and just causing, causing these prices to rise. And, you know, I think as a nation or just as individuals, you just speak need to become more self-sustainable, not relying on bigger corporations to,
00:29:13
Big Dog
feed us, especially when it's just feeding us garbage. And like you said earlier, it's just the quality of food has just gotten way worse. Like you talked about apples, but I just bought an eight pack of avocados and five of them are rotten.
00:29:28
Big Dog
i mean, there wasn't oh way to really test the the ripeness of them, you know, in store. It's not like I can just like slice them open and find out. So it sucks, but we're at this point.
00:29:42
Big Dog
where we have to kind of look out for ourselves in that way.
00:29:48
David Isaacs
Well, you can't trust that the food that's supposed to be better for you is going to last as long as it it used to and it costs more. And trying to do something about it and trying to be more self-sufficient is good.
00:30:03
David Isaacs
And i can't wait for the the article titles if the chicken thing takes off and a lot of people do it well. The article titles in a few years, like...
00:30:17
David Isaacs
egg companies sad having to put down a ton of chickens because no one wants eggs anymore. Like blaming the consumer for the fact that no one's buying or we're not buying as many eggs as we used to.
00:30:23
Big Dog
yeah
00:30:30
David Isaacs
But yeah, who who was, who would have thought that having some viral illness go through an entire flock of chickens that are probably just have enough space for like,
00:30:30
Big Dog
Yeah, yeah, right.
00:30:44
David Isaacs
themselves in an area in these large warehouses because you know technically they're gauge free but they'll pack a thousand of them in a 10 foot by 10 foot area or or whatever it's probably something ridiculous yeah who knew that was going to be an issue so we might have looking at different regulations going forward if you can get two or three chickens and if people are
00:31:00
Big Dog
Oh yeah.
00:31:13
David Isaacs
able to keep them around and feed them right but then what's going to happen to the chicken feed industry they're going to try to make more money and the feed that you're giving your chickens isn't going to be as good and ah chickens are kind of high maintenance as they are you know like need to be fed and if anything goes wrong with them you can't really take them to a vet or something so it comes down well i guess you could but don't really know vets they're know too much about chickens maybe if you're out in like farm country there'd be more of them but
00:31:27
Big Dog
oh yeah
00:31:44
Big Dog
Yeah, I ah i don't know. I'm sure. know that vets are kind of like a generalist when it comes to pet health, maybe that's ah a new type of category that they have to specialize in if this becomes a thing.
00:31:59
Big Dog
um i also feel like ah i feel like currently like it's going to, with just how bad the egg situation is in some parts of the country, it's going to be like fucking drug dealing where it's like,
00:32:12
Big Dog
one person's buying from another and they're just flipping it to another person for more. And it's like, don't know, it's going to get to that point where they're flipping eggs and the quality of just like homegrown eggs becomes, you know, a whole thing, but that's, you know, just my ADHD kind of branching out to thought that really doesn't matter to the current situation. so
00:32:34
David Isaacs
Yeah, we found we found a Glock 19 in my but my son's egg that he bought from a farmer.
00:32:41
Big Dog
Yeah, he found a needle in his egg. Like, what?
00:32:43
David Isaacs
Yeah. But, okay. um Yeah, anyways, to wrap that up, just trying to find ways to be more self-sustainable, but when it comes to it, it's it's going to take more time out of your day to make sure that these things go right and The only way you're ever going to figure it out is do you do, you try it, and it works, then you know'll scale it up more.
00:33:00
Big Dog
Yep.
Mental Health Struggles and Economic Pressures
00:33:07
David Isaacs
I have friends that have chickens. They have rabbits. They have probably 12 garden beds throughout their property. it just comes down to it.
00:33:17
David Isaacs
And, yeah, try to find something, even if it's maybe not gardening, but seeking out People that have farm fresh eggs or that have their own garden and are selling things at farmers markets or what have you, know, just try to get off of the fucking teats of.
00:33:32
Big Dog
Yeah.
00:33:36
David Isaacs
big Kroger and Meyer and Walmart. And to your point too, maybe some of the fruits and vegetables that we've come to know and love that aren't very native around here and take a long time to ship to us. Maybe we're going to have to start moving away from that a little bit.
00:33:55
David Isaacs
Fortunately, because, you know, I do love me some pineapple, do love me some avocado, some bananas, oranges, all that stuff. But
00:34:03
Big Dog
Yeah, I mean, wouldn't be completely upset if like I needed to start growing my own avocado because one, i think the biggest supplier of avocados is Mexican drug cartels because I know they were spending their money on that to legitimize what do but he call it, wash their money um and also kind of just invest in something of you know way to smuggle drugs in the country. So ah You know, truck up one for the the good guys if you do start investing in making or or growing something like an avocado.
00:34:40
Big Dog
um You know, you don't need your DEA badge or whatever for that. And you're taking one out of the drug cartel's pockets. So...
00:34:50
David Isaacs
Yeah, if we can, if we can just get rid of them altogether, or think we're going to be a lot happier. There's not anything that I've ever heard of them doing good for the community in any sense.
00:35:04
Big Dog
Yeah, correct. Yeah, they spend their money on lavishing things and, you know, gold machine guns. You know, things that don't necessarily help society.
00:35:15
Big Dog
ah So, the theme our episode is pests. That's, ah you know, maybe another one to to look into next. um after After the deer population.
00:35:30
Big Dog
But. yeah ah David, I know that you had wanted to talk about something that's been very important and on your mind recently, um and that was mental health.
00:35:43
David Isaacs
Yeah, thank you for that introduction, Brian. Mental health is always on my mind. It's one of the
00:35:52
David Isaacs
one of the biggest issues for me. I know it's an issue for a lot of people, especially post-COVID and kind of the generation millennials that are dealing with not being able to afford houses or being out of work or being underpaid at their jobs. And kind of one of the biggest things for me was you know, you you try to make steps and you try to plan out, I'm going to do this, and then I can work on some of these other things.
00:36:17
David Isaacs
And the one thing I wanted to do first was to get a new job, a job that paid me better. And also one where I was in the office more, because I was looking for more structure and currently working remote and going in about a half day a week. But I get a lot of a lot of stuff done in the office.
00:36:36
David Isaacs
The problem is they don't pay me enough and my commute's about an hour. So I don't want to go in as often and actually be productive because they don't want to pay me more money.
00:36:47
David Isaacs
But they still want me to do more before they do pay me more money. And I'm just kind of sick of... yeah having to deal with that. And there have been other things. I've kind of been a steep slope down with all the healthier habits that I had established.
00:37:04
David Isaacs
I was going to the gym for a while, then got sick, fell out of that, trying to eat healthier, i have as much fast food, which has gone relatively okay. The drinking problem that hasn't really gotten better, even with trying to cut down.
00:37:20
David Isaacs
And ah decided to go back to therapy. I've been and off however many years since I was 16. So 13, almost 14 years now, and trying to find somebody that kind of keeps me accountable and wants me to work more towards my goals and gives me a you know, steps to kind of get where I'm going. so the goals that we talked about this week, we're trying to get to the gym three or four times a week and journaling and being more present about how I'm feeling that day, whether I'm more motivated, less motivated, and kind of down to the whole line of just motivation in general and kind of how you're feeling on any specific day. Because I think with me and what we had talked about before is the balance with
00:38:08
David Isaacs
me tracking my food, which was something else that I wanted to start doing. And I came to about 3000 calories on Thursday. So I didn't track it for since then.
00:38:20
David Isaacs
um But it's easier for me to get prepackaged food because it has a barcode scanner. So you can scan the barcode and, you know, see how much you're actually eating. But it's little bit harder when you eat a sandwich or something because do i know this is as much mayo as i'm putting in there no do i know this is as much turkey as i'm using no i know two slices of bread that's easy enough but it's not as good as going and buying chicken in bulk or broccoli and rice in bulk and weighing those out and putting meals together and
00:38:52
David Isaacs
Knowing that I pull it out of the fridge, I eat the whole thing with a little bit of hot sauce. That's what I'm getting. Whereas it is a lot easier to not have to cook and clean and measure and weigh and part out.
00:39:05
David Isaacs
all those things. If I can just scan a bar code that tells me a Snickers bar is like 300 calories. So that's kind of where I ended up with that. But it's, you know, just started last week and seeing my therapist again this Wednesday and talk about goal progress and
David's Gardening Project and Mental Health Improvements
00:39:23
David Isaacs
everything.
00:39:23
David Isaacs
And today put the other of the two raised gardens together, went and leveled out the ground a little bit so they would sit more flush into the ground. I was working on doing laundry and I planned on going to the gym, but the exercise I got from digging up the dirt in the backyard and the walk I took today, i think should cover me until I go to tomorrow.
00:39:50
David Isaacs
But yeah, other parts of it, and like trying to get up earlier, which I did today. So the progress in certain things is going going better. And was looking up today of supplements kind of help with motivation and potentially ADHD issues, which I think I might have, but don't have to go down the whole diagnostic rabbit hole with
Supplements, ADHD, and Therapy Recommendations
00:40:11
David Isaacs
that.
00:40:11
David Isaacs
And UnitedHealth announced that they're not no longer carrying Adderall. So even if I wanted to have, yeah, they're not covering Adderall anymore.
00:40:16
Big Dog
What? I didn't hear that.
00:40:21
David Isaacs
So even if I wanted to have some sort of medical intervention, I know Adderall and Vyvanse are the two big like stimulate stimulator parts of it. ah You can get things that are like non-stimulating, but I wanted to do kind of some lifestyle changes, some, uh, supplemental, changes and try to help me out in that regard and sleep schedule and and things of that nature.
00:40:45
David Isaacs
But yeah, I kind of made that decision and it had gotten to a point where it wasn't, uh, really sustainable and i just continued to get worse and falling down a path.
00:40:57
David Isaacs
and And don't know what it is with me, but the, the time it takes me to start ah good habit and me reverting back to just doing what i always did.
00:41:12
David Isaacs
um I mean, it happens so often that I've, you I've rubber band back and forth. So I'd like to get some structure, some stability, and at least look at something like, I didn't eat that great this week, but I did go to the gym every day that I was supposed to, or I didn't go to the gym this week, but I have been eating better and I have been more productive throughout the day doing things like more physical. So that's where I'm starting out at. But again, if it if you think you need it in any sense of the word, I definitely recommend it, especially if you haven't done it before and you feel stuck. And obviously, if you have the financial means of doing so
00:41:56
David Isaacs
then yeah i do find it pretty helpful and if you don't have the money um i'm sure like there's some support groups or you know some subreddits of people that are of dealing with the same thing obviously you're very unique in your situations and that but i think a lot of us could have depression or anxiety or adhd and trying to find ways to cope and deal with it. I mean, it's all trial and error anyways.
00:42:28
Big Dog
Yeah, um well first off, David, you know, good job on recognizing that you needed to get help and that you did that. um You know, it's braver than you think it is.
00:42:40
Big Dog
i can already tell from your voice just this episode and, you know, it's been a couple weeks since we've kind of talked or seen each other, but I can just kind of tell that you seem happier. i mean, I know it's kind of a monotone dude, but I can kind of hear a little pop in your step and your voice.
00:42:55
Big Dog
um so You know, maybe it's just from doing the right thing for yourself or or whatever the case is. But yeah, getting especially mental help is never easy. I mean, I talked about i was going to kill myself last year and you kind of overcame that.
00:43:13
Big Dog
um And it wasn't easy. I didn't have, you know, health insurance at the time to be able to afford therapy. My therapist was in and out of the office because she was pregnant and gave birth so there's like a whole cavalcade of things that i was going through um i mean i've talked about them for what 12 or 13 episodes now so i don't really need to rehash them but uh yeah it's if there's one one thing i'm i'm a proponent of it's getting help mental health is very important you know it's at the
00:43:48
Big Dog
the core of what we do for our health. If you got a ah brain that's on our side, means we can do great things, better things, make clearer decisions. um
00:44:00
Big Dog
So, yeah, mean, sometimes if you just, even if you just feel stuck in, you know, in 2022, 50% of all adult age people United States were treated for some sort of mental health treatment, whether that was,
00:44:18
Big Dog
you know, depression, anxiety, or, you know, the whole list of things.
Mental Health Care Access and Cultural Pressures
00:44:24
Big Dog
Um, so it's a, it's kind of a silent pandemic epidemic, whatever the actual term is, um, in this country.
00:44:35
Big Dog
And I think that people take, you know, take it more seriously.
00:44:39
David Isaacs
Of course.
00:44:41
Big Dog
Yeah. i obviously the cost it's cost prohibitive in this country for whatever reason. um I know that ah the United States ranks highest in confidence levels for teenagers, but it also ranks the highest, some of the highest amongst depression and anxiety. So I guess with that confidence comes the fall mentally sometimes. So, um, you know,
00:45:14
Big Dog
being aware of how you're feeling is not an easy task. It kind of takes strength in and of itself to reflective, self-reflective and to seek out help. So, um, you know, again, think you're on the right path for that. And, I hope it serves you and everything that you are. I hope you get what you want out of it.
00:45:39
Big Dog
And I just recommend you to put what you want into it so you get that back.
00:45:46
David Isaacs
Right. it's It's the same thing what we're talking about with gardening or having chickens or friendships or healthy changes that you're trying to make. It comes down to context and what you put into it and how far you're willing to um go with it.
00:46:02
David Isaacs
And it's kind of the same conversation that I had the other day with playing Dungeons and Dragons. Like you can... it's not hard to join a campaign, but it is harder to allow yourself to think creatively and come up with ideas and have these conversations and you just kind of be a little bit more free. It's, it's easy to kind of, you know, sit in the back and let these things happen. And,
00:46:27
David Isaacs
you wait till somebody asks you a question or you're in combat and it's your turn or what have you. ah But yeah, therapy is, it's trying to work with you and yeah try not to work against it. And yeah, mental health for, i think, teenagers and that, it makes a lot of sense. You know, growing up, you had, you know, the whole world in front of you.
00:46:49
David Isaacs
And for whatever reason, our generation's parents, you know, thought we were all special and that we're going to go on and do great things. But yeah, The issue that I have, and I think an issue that a lot of people have, is it comes down to jobs are really made for other people to determine your worth.
00:47:08
David Isaacs
whether or not you're ah hireable, whether or not you're promotable, whether or not you deserve more money. And i think the the big issue, and that's like ah a very big variable outside of what we feel about ourselves, how our friends feel about us or family or anything else,
00:47:28
David Isaacs
So, yeah, the other part is I hope i hope is that ah we start to branch out and more startups come and there's more competition for kind of the big players and a lot of different industries and that some of our generation gets out there and ah creates these companies and is able to hire people and pay them a good amount and coach them, teach them up and do all of these things.
00:47:55
David Isaacs
Because I think yeah at the end of the day, there's just whether it's a generational gap, or it's a certain amount of people that have come into power in these industries for so long, but when you have a ah system that kind of relies on you, relies on judging you,
00:48:12
David Isaacs
for your ability to have health care, to have the money to afford insurance or to pay back your student loans or have the money to buy the chicken feed or gives you a good enough work-life balance to be able to feed your chickens or tend to your garden or do all this other stuff. So, yeah, I think a lot of people are, you know, definitely struggling and dealing with these issues and,
00:48:38
David Isaacs
Yeah, if there is not a ah way that you can do it through therapy, if you can't afford it, there's definitely other avenues to kind of try to help you out in some regard.
00:48:49
David Isaacs
But again, it's all trial and error. If you think it might work, then try it. and Because the only thing you're going to find out is, ah the only bad thing you're going to ever find out is that it didn't work for you.
Resources for Mental Health and AI's Future Role
00:49:02
Big Dog
Yeah, it's ah it's kind of like mixing, kind of to your point of D&D references, it's kind of like mixing character knowledge with ah with player knowledge, right? So ah what you may have perception of that will work ah for yourself if you're you know if you're that particular character,
00:49:24
Big Dog
um you're not going to be able to have be your person not going to be able to see every avenue. So it is going to be, unfortunately, a trial and error basis.
00:49:31
David Isaacs
you
00:49:34
Big Dog
But I think the start is to get into some sort of therapy. I mean, there are, you know, low cost um or or free, you know.
00:49:47
Big Dog
um resources ah like nine you can text 988 and if you're in crisis and there's always um you know a mental health professional who able to help you there's also i think is it 411 that's the suicide hotline 411 was back in
00:50:05
David Isaacs
ah I thought it wasn't 411 back in the day.
00:50:09
Big Dog
the was fact ah take
00:50:13
David Isaacs
No, for I thought, yeah, 411 is directory assistance.
00:50:19
Big Dog
Suicide.
00:50:24
Big Dog
Oh, it is 988. Okay. I thought there was two different ones. But, ah so, yeah. 988 is the National and... um Or International Association for Suicide Prevention. So there's always going to be someone there if you're in some sort of crisis.
00:50:41
Big Dog
um The other thing that I know that I have... through my work, um, and we have an employee assistance program that the company pays for this this company that kind of be ah part of a network that they'll either direct you to, or be that resource for mental health, um, you know, financial and all this other advice. But you have to kind of,
00:51:11
Big Dog
use your resources that are available to you. First off, you have to understand at least ah some amount of what you're, you know, kind of experiencing. If you're not feeling great about yourself or your your relationship, like start there and then, you know, kind of pivot toward, towards a resource.
00:51:29
Big Dog
I mean, I think the average cost of, let's say track, psychiatric care per hour is like $120 or something ridiculous. That's not obviously through a program like, you know, better help or one of those, um, online therapies. I mean, that's, which is another great resource, by the way.
00:51:50
Big Dog
Um, you know, you can go through any podcast, hopefully this one very soon, we can get a promo link to, to use that for, you know, the first couple of months or whatever. But, um, if not there, I'm,
00:52:04
Big Dog
almost positive. I haven't looked into this, but I know that some like psychology schools offer some sort of low cost or free like services for, for people. Uh, it's kind of like going dentist school and getting your teeth cleaned or you know, having routine dental care at low cost, especially through insurance.
00:52:26
Big Dog
So that's another resource to kind of keep in mind too. So there are a lot of things out there that are low cost. I mean, I think I was at one point where I built an AI chat bot based on this mental health PDF that I built or that I found and had it read it and then kind of talked me through symptoms and things like that. So um I don't recommend talking to che GPT specifically, but I know that there are mental health bots out there to use too.
00:52:59
David Isaacs
Right. That was one of the things that I was thinking of. um So im I'll tell you something, but we we can't expand on it very much since we're getting close to the end. But I did watch Terminator 2.
00:53:14
David Isaacs
Well, actually, all the Terminators the last few weeks. And it started because I'm like, there's no way Terminator 2 is the 30th highest ranked movie of all time. There's no way.
00:53:25
David Isaacs
and uh yeah i watched it and i really liked it but that was kind of the precursor skynet and everyone thinking that ai is gonna murder us or what have you but my hope is that it does ah at least create some way for people to find low-cost avenue and it should help some people i am a proponent i really like
00:53:36
Big Dog
Right.
00:53:49
David Isaacs
kind of the doctor patient ah relationship when it comes to any type of doctor, whether it is psychologist counselor, what have you.
00:53:59
David Isaacs
ah But I am doing kind of like a telehealth one right now. And i won't tell you, maybe i already told you, but I probably shouldn't because they, we don't do free marketing around here, but maybe i already forgot that rule earlier.
00:54:15
David Isaacs
But anyways, um, Yeah, here's the hope in that. Because I do ask um ah you asked AI some of these questions because really what it's really come down to is it compiles data from four or five different websites and will give you anecdotal evidence for things that might help you. Say the supplement stuff, it's one of the things that I asked it.
00:54:42
David Isaacs
And the other part of it too, though, to worry about is It will tell you it can help, but if you ask it to expand on like, okay, well, what research, like what do experts say about this? Like what, how strong is the research for these things working?
00:55:02
David Isaacs
And a lot of times it's just, i don't know if you would consider it anecdotal, but people's own experiences saying that something helped them or worked for them. And to your point, which you brought up ah a lot of good ones with the, you know, helplines for people in crisis and other things available to anyone.
00:55:27
David Isaacs
The financial issues right now, I do know there are.
Financial Assistance and Community Support
00:55:31
David Isaacs
some rental assistance programs, obviously ah WIC or Bridge, I think here in Michigan, helps with grocery costs and things of that nature to just, yeah, I wouldn't be afraid to try these things out.
00:55:48
David Isaacs
And I wouldn't be ashamed if you do have to do them because they're they exist for a reason. And we're definitely, we've kind of always been there, but definitely has gotten worse for people in the middle class and below to even scrape by at this point. So if there are things available to you that can help you out in some way, it can definitely be, it helped give you peace of mind if it's one of the less, if it's one less thing that you have to worry about, like the,
00:56:23
David Isaacs
HSA that I have through my work, I finally signed up on it and realized the things that I could buy help me out. So that's what I'm using for of the telehealth therapy that I'm doing, because that's money that exists there for that reason.
00:56:41
David Isaacs
And the same thing with rental assistance or food assistance and things like that. It exists for that reason. And it's kind of tough sometimes I think to realize you need help but if it's not mental if it's financial or other things then yeah that first step it is it's not weak but and I think kind of brave to know look and understand that you need help in some of these areas
00:57:10
Big Dog
Yeah, i ah o
00:57:14
Big Dog
I could walk anyone kind of through the process of, you know, signing up for Bridgewick or EBT cards.
Personal Growth, Humility, and Community Giving
00:57:22
Big Dog
I applied for one last year when I was unemployed just because I had no job prospects. My savings was essentially drained after three months. And um i technically got denied, but my son, I think it's called,
00:57:38
Big Dog
think the program is called, am I healthy child? Um, but he got like dental and health insurance. Uh, and then also i think it was like, I think we got like $200 a month for groceries for him. So, um, you know, never be too proud to accept your situation, um, and use the resources to make your situation even a little bit better. So, um,
00:58:08
Big Dog
I've learned humility in the last year. I've kind of consigned myself to maybe a power um greater and than myself was looking out for me and that I just needed to kind of accept things for what they were and seek help. So, um, you know, whether it's religion, a mental, actual mental health, uh, professional resources, um, do yourself a favor and check your ego at the door.
00:58:38
Big Dog
um and get help if you need it, whatever that is.
00:58:43
David Isaacs
All right. And if you're at a good spot mentally and financially, and you have time to do things, definitely look for ways to help people.
00:58:55
David Isaacs
I donate blood twice a year I'm looking to sign up for the Humane Society, you know, kind of humble brags on not the greatest person in the world, but trying to get better and feeling a little bit more accomplished and doing productive things that help out other people or animals and in that sense of the word. So yeah, the other side of the spectrum is if you are in a good place and feel good about where you're at, it does feel good to give back and people are struggling as much as you
00:59:29
David Isaacs
may not realize it and as much as somebody has been able to cover it up for whatever, you know, friends, family and things of that nature. Definitely, you know, look to help out when you can. And I think we going forward, the only way we'll be able to get there and I hope we're able to all get there together, regardless of mental, physical, financial status.
00:59:56
Big Dog
Yeah, I mean, I even think that, you know, the type A, you know, maybe CEO, whatever, company owner personalities, um I think they even have or need of some sort of tune-up every once in a while. Or not even a business owner CEO type, you know, it's just the people who put up a good front also just need an occasional tune-up, whether it's, ah you know, going to the gym after...
01:00:25
Big Dog
a long of time or just getting into a sauna um there's different mental health in general is just kind of like a caveat of categories that we don't really have time for this episode to get into but um whatever you're going through or or just to like even like keep yourself going just take that extra second to like to do that thing that, you know, gets you
Maintaining Mental Health and Appreciating Time
01:00:56
Big Dog
through.
01:00:56
Big Dog
That's not, you know, obviously like drugs or alcohol or anything like that. Like to your point earlier of, you know, that dopamine rush, like do it because it will make you just a better person.
01:01:07
Big Dog
Even if it's just 1%, um, that'll really pay off in the end.
01:01:10
David Isaacs
Right.
01:01:14
David Isaacs
Yeah. And no time for underrated piece of media of the week, but an underrated movie that I did watch that I'd recommend you to watch as well. About time. Which don't know if you've seen it, but it's a
01:01:27
Big Dog
Is that the one with Bill Nighy where his son, is it Tom O'Gleeson?
01:01:33
David Isaacs
Domhnall Gleeson. Yeah.
01:01:34
Big Dog
Yeah. Okay, yeah, i have seen it.
01:01:36
David Isaacs
Yeah, so it helped me kind of change my perspective on things. And the it's not a spoiler because it's shown in the first five minutes of the film, but Bill Nighy lets his son Domino Gleason know that the men in the family have the ability to turn back time or go like time travel back in time.
01:01:53
David Isaacs
ah but it kind of extends throughout. And one things that he had recommend doing is just like relive a day over, but from a different perspective and that he eventually like tailored his mind into kind of looking at the the beauty of each day, even if it was something that was a hard day or a bad day to kind of change his perspective on things.
01:02:16
David Isaacs
Not the one to say that it's, most of what we do is how we react to it and not what's happening to us because I think that's context matters a lot of the times.
01:02:29
David Isaacs
But I do think I would be better if I I looked at things from a different perspective and being more grateful that I have the ability to have stressful days because I do have a job or stressful days because I do have somebody that's getting married and i'm in the wedding or whatever, instead of associating that with a habit of you know drinking or trying to get my... and try to alter my mind state a little bit to kind of forget the day that I had had.
01:02:59
David Isaacs
so but I think that pretty much wraps it up on my end. Brian, I don't know if you had any closing comments.
01:03:07
Big Dog
uh no i did like about time it was far better than a time traveler's wife that movie sucked uh kind of same kind of same premise and it had eric van on rachel mcadams so you're like it's a pretty you know loaded you know leading actor and leading actress but it was just Not great, but yeah, I did enjoy about time. um i think that is something that we can never get back time. um And it's always going to be,
01:03:39
Big Dog
a but you know, especially for me as a parent is we'll never be able to get back this time. So um take the time to cherish your loved ones, cherish yourself.
01:03:51
Big Dog
Um, cherish God, if you believe in that, um, type of thing, uh, you know, and the, the, the time that you have, uh, there's a quote that i always kind of turn to in times, um, actually from Gandalf from Lord of the Rings. Uh, let me just get the exact quote up here. Then we can wrap it up after this.
01:04:16
Big Dog
Uh, so all, so do all who live to see such times. So that's not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what we, what to do with the time that is given to you. um and I think being a parent, uh, who had, an addiction problem, um and I was, you know, going through bootcamp and I missed, you know, six months out of my son's life, uh, or felt like it,
01:04:45
Big Dog
um It's time I'll never get back. So it's something that I will have perspective on and use use that quote and use that kind of perspective to just do better and spend my time more wisely with the things that matter. So um that's all that I had.
01:05:04
David Isaacs
Yeah, that's great perspective. um Sometimes experience is just experience. It doesn't have to or the knowledge is just knowledge doesn't have to be necessarily good. It doesn't have to be necessarily bad, but just kind of it teaches as the ability to teach, then I don't know if you can necessarily call something bad because you're still here,
01:05:29
David Isaacs
right
01:05:29
Big Dog
Yeah.
01:05:33
David Isaacs
All right. um I think that's ah just about it. I know you wanted to get off here soon. So unless you have anything else, Brian, I think we can. ah
01:05:44
Big Dog
Nope. I don't have anything else. ah I felt this was a great episode. So I will send it on a great note. And bye everybody.
01:05:52
David Isaacs
Yep. Goodbye. And we'll see you here soon.