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Episode 71: Quigley featuring Sara Lautman
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Sara Lautman, New Yorker published cartoonist, has taken a chance on Quigley (2003) and struck gold. This one isn’t Tom Selleck in Australia, or whatever, this is the one that has Gary Busey come back from death as a white Pomeranian who expressly can’t talk. Can Busey/Dog change hearts? He certainly won all of us over and it’s got us talking; we even get a bit existential. It’s a journey of discovery as we ponder life with a dog/man who can save the day by playing video games. Be sure to tune in!
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Introduction and Hosts
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It's bad to be bad, it's bad to be bad, and I guess it's understood that you would, if you could, and you know that you should, yes you know that you should.
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. The only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie's so bad, why do you like it so much?
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We're your hosts. I am, of course, your own personal Quigley, Chris Anderson. we And with me, as always, i have ah my own guardian angel, the Sweeney of the show, Mr. Greg Bossy.
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Hello, hello. Happy to be here. Happy to be talking about this one today.
Special Guest Introduction: Sarah Lautman
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Yes, what a treat. yeah But there's a fly in the ointment. My poor dear wife, the original Dexter to my Archie, could not be here today.
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And they desperately wanted to talk about quickly. Please, listeners. Take a moment, pick up your phone and send my wife a message and say, we're so sorry that you didn't get to talk about quickly.
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And we love you. Just send that. And I would mean the world to me and them, I'm sure. But we have a very special guest.
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The, I would go as far as to say, god of the show. You might know her as an illustrator. You might know her as an educator. It's Sarah Lautman. Sarah, how are
Plot Overview of Quigley
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you?
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I'm great. I'm the god of the show. um Yeah. There's really, I'm always great. I'm always at the pinnacle of greatness.
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And that includes right now. I 100% cannot argue, Sarah. And the movie that you brought this week is great. Listeners, if you haven't seen this week's movie, Quigley, here's just a brief summary of the movie Quigley. And you're going to get to hear me say the word Quigley a lot because it's really fun to say.
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Quigley. Quigley.
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an evil tech executive dies in a car crash. Unfortunately, the film doesn't end at that point, but continues with the exec getting sent back to Earth in the form Pomerania.
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And now he must correct the mistakes he made in his former life in order to enter the kingdom of heaven. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's what happens in Quigley, right? I'm not mistaken.
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No, no, that's definitely what happens, but it doesn't encompass all that occurs. It encompasses a lot. There's a lot of meat on that bone already. Oh, yes. that was That was a good recap because you didn't spoil anything.
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yeah Yes. yode We'll get into the meat of it. I just want to whet the whistle. Sarah, how did you come across Quigley? You came to me with a couple options and we zoomed in on Quigley pretty quick.
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Well, I'm ashamed to say that i ah knew about Quigley because of the Bad Movies subreddit. so Okay. I only say shame not because i think it's like dumb to look at Reddit or like care about bad movies.
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But, you know, there's some bad movies that you want to see because they're from your heart or in an organic way. This is just some bullshit that I saw on Reddit.
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But it well it turned out well. i felt I felt like gratified to know about Quigley. I feel good having watched Quigley. And the actual time while I was watching it was ah was all right.
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Yeah. I had a pretty decent time watching Quigley, I'll say. And it's a testament to, you know, sometimes you roll the dice and, you know, they come up a lucky seven.
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Yep. ah I think this is the second time on the show where we've had a guest who had not watched the movie before selecting it. The last time it was Ghoulies 3, Ghoulies Go to College.
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Wait a second. I recommended to Al Bates. Wait a second. You'd not seen the movie before you picked it? ah No, I had only seen the trailer. Oh, you, you, you. Okay, okay, okay. I thought Sarah had not. Okay, so I was confused.
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no no, no, This was a fresh watch for me. overall yeah. Yeah. Sarah had not seen it. I did have it. I had it in my, uh, um, uh, watch list on letterbox.
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Okay. Okay. Oh, it was top of mind. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. But it was like, yeah, it was, um I mean, unfortunately, i happened to watch another bad movie this week that is like, would have been the perfect thing to talk about and I care about so much, which is the Showtime adaptation of the novel, um ah The Devil's Arithmetic. Okay. 99, it's a ah Holocaust movie for young teens.
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Okay, yeah, that sounds hilarious. it is you is. Unfortunately, um we probably won't be able to shoehorn much of me talking about that in. But if we finish talking about quickly, I can talk really fast about the devil's arithmetic for, you know, 30 seconds.
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All right we'll see where the day takes us. Okay, great. If not, we'll save that one for a future episode. Yeah. So, Greg, you had not seen Quigley
Gary Busey and Production Insights
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before. I had really no idea Quigley existed until ah this podcast, and I had the same reaction as we talked about before the show that everyone also that I have talked to has had.
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When you say Quigley, you're like, oh, isn't that the Tom Sucks, the Quigley Down Under something? And it's like, no. No. No, it's not that at all, actually. no flavor. I actually have, I brought in some questions to bounce off both of you.
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Okay. I love it because is stuff that maybe you could know about just from knowing about other movies and stuff. ah Shoot. Hit me. What's up with Gary Busey?
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Cause I've seen other movies where he's just in it's where it's a really shitty movie and like I guess I don't even know that much about the rest of Garibusi's career.
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um So I'm not, and he's always the name in these movies. I mean, specifically, I'm thinking about a movie called Hider in the House. Ooh, good title. H-I-D-E-R. And it's about a down on his luck character who hides in a house that people already live in.
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okay I like it. I saw a 70s movie with a very similar premise called Bad Ronald. Oh. but so It's a better name. Bad Ronald is a pretty creepy movie, if I remember correctly. I gotta rewatch it.
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but I had... My previous encounter with Quigley is that a Twitch streamer that Anna and I watched called Dead Blossom Jesse was watching some of it with...
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like on his show one day or on their show actually. And it's, uh, was great. And I was very like, I would love to actually just sit and watch quickly at some point. So this gave me a great excuse to just sit and watch quickly.
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Uh, and Oh, shout out to dead blossom, Jesse and his new podcast stores, a podcast about stores.
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no he Yeah, it's ah it's good. People should check it out. um But that's all I know about Quigley. And I have information on Gary Busey. okay oh can i tell Can I tell one story about Gary Busey? The thing that I remember the most from Gary Busey?
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Please. ah all right sorry I think he's still alive. ah So for those who don't know, for those who don't know, and Sarah, you might not know this. He's known for generally being pretty pretty crazy. Yeah. And what I remember is when I used to watch The Soup, I watched The Soup a lot, ah they would play a clip of him.
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i think an interviewer asked him a question that upset him to some degree, but it was one of these questions that was either like completely innocuous or just mildly annoying, and he threatened to rip out their endocrine system.
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wow Which I feel like is like a nice that's a nice little capsule of Gary Busey. Because it's just like, that's a really weird threat. That's a really strange one.
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Can you rip out an endocrine system? I mean, maybe somebody can. I feel like it would be a procedure. Yeah, it would be a very precise movement.
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Or maybe there would be, you'd be getting a lot of other stuff with it. Yeah. Sure. But yeah. You would make sure he'd get that whole system in there. Just every now and again, they'd be like, they'd be like classic actor, Gary Busey. I will rip out your endocrine system was in this movie, you know, and they just show the clip. It was like just insane.
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Anyway. It's like, what's up with this guy? Like this, is he having fun in these movies? Is, I mean, it's like, he looks like he's having fun. He sure does. Like, ah you know, it's like at the Neil Breen question or whatever, unless that's been resolved.
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um Well, I did watch the having a laugh Neil Breen auto doc. Oh, right. Yeah. What's going on? He's ah very serious.
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Yeah. And he's a much better producer than he is a director. You can't say he doesn't make movies. But is he a funny man? he No, he was incredibly not funny and his auto doc was nearly six hours long and ah was composed of the same footage used over and over and over again in slightly different contexts.
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so Including a middle half hour of the film where there was no context. He's like, I'm going to let this speak for itself. And then you just watch the same footage that you've watched four times with nothing from Green. I guess what I mean is, uh, like, is, is it sincere or is he, um, making art?
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He is, uh, 100%, uh, sincere. Uh, I believe, he feels it speaks for himself. Uh, he seems to be doing it quite literally.
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one God bless. Yeah. Well, with that enough about Neil Breen, let's talk a little bit about the context of quickly. Mm-hmm.
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I wish I had some context about the background of the film. Script director, actors on set. What was going on on screen? I want to hear some details.
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Gossips can do all that shit. Can't imagine all the time.
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You see, sweetie, you're still here in the Quigley episode. You're still part of the episode. Quigley came out September 24th, 2003. Quigley, also known as Quigley, an angelic tale.
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was also released as Daddy Dog Day in the United Kingdom. Why? I have no idea. Daddy Dog Day. Daddy Dog Day.
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um It was written, produced, and directed by William Byron Hillman. There were two taglines. Tagline number one. There's more to this dog than meets the eye.
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True. True. True tagline. That's true. yeah
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Number two, stopped from entering Heaven's Gates. He's sent back as a dog to fix his mistakes. um Okay. A description of the story.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very much more literal. They're both equally engaging, but I guess to different markets. They're not wise. No. No, no. I don't feel misled by either.
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So as you may expect, there's not a ton of information available about the making of Quigley. I know it's been Yeah. There's only one story that's known and that I've saved for the end. I think, uh, I looked everywhere could to get some insight into how this came to be. And I found very little, I went to William Byron Hillman's blog, which he kept from 2013 to 2018. There were no mentions of Quigley on there beyond listing the planned Quigley sequel in the list of upcoming projects, uh, that he signs every post with, uh,
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This was also making using Quigley as a search term very useless. It was very frustrating. I went as far as to buy his memoirs. Wow. 300 pages and not a single mention of Quigley to be found.
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What? What? No, I searched find Quigley on dream searcher, memoirs, actor, filmmaker, author. And I only found one or two listings in the other works section.
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hu What's deal with like, a so I watched Quigley on Tubi. I didn't look for it on DVD or any kind of physical media.
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I kind of just went straight to Tubi. I didn't even look on the new major streaming services. This belongs on Tubi. Yeah, yeah. No, Tubi is... Tubi the king.
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Yeah. Haunted house for things like this. Haunted in a good way. But I don't know. I mean, i was thinking maybe... the guy who made it Hillman, like he wants it off his resume.
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It seems like maybe he would have done something like, how what do you, can you keep your, your embarrassing movie from being on to be, if you don't want people to see it? Well, no, I'll say this.
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This is not erasure on his part. His memoirs are almost entirely about him helping his wife find her birth parents. Oh, that's not what I expected.
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Yes, this let's get into William Byron Hillman. Sure. So in order to get some insight in this film, we need to turn to the biography of our tour.
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Who is William Byron Hillman? By all appearances, he seems to be your classic jack-of-all-trades master of none. He was a local TV reporter. He was an actor, but only appeared in three films that he himself did not direct.
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One of the other ones that he appeared in was Ice Station Zebra. That was the only other thing he heard. uh he's directed ah seven films and self-produced all of them over the course of his 50-year directing career he's written 19 books all of them self-published five of them are quigley related one a novelization of quigley one a novel and three quigley coloring books is it a novel about quigley It is the... i believe Well, um more about that later. I don't want to spoil anything. That's a teaser.
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All right. So at the end of the day, William Byron Hillman seems to like the kind of mediocre white man that has the time and resources to attempt lots of different art forms, but neither the drive nor the talent to really master any of them.
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It doesn't seem mediocre to me. Well...
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I'm going to call him maybe ah i'll i'll hold my unpolished. Let's say he's a he could stand to work on his craft. Now, to be fair, this is also how you could have described me in my 20s, so I can't be too hard on him.
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Uh, now, uh, the other thing that I was able to learn about Hillman was that he's an animal lover and a man of faith. So it makes sense that he would yeah cast another man of faith in the leading role of his godly talking dog picture.
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And that man is Gary Busey. Gary Busey is a man of faith. Yes. Uh, Gary Busey broke big in 1978 when he played Buddy Holly in the Buddy Holly story, a role that earned him a coveted Academy Award nomination.
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Rad. His career continued apace throughout the 80s until tragedy struck. oh On December 4th, 1988, Busey crashed his motorcycle while riding without a helmet, fracturing his skull and giving him permanent brain damage.
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ah In 1995, he had a near-fatal cocaine overdose. And in 1997, he had a plum-sized tumor removed from his sinus cavity.
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The brain damage gave him lifelong impulse control problems. The cocaine overdose led him to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And the surgery gave him his trademark asymmetrical eyes.
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oh So that's Gary Busey's deal in a nutshell. Okay. Yeah, I actually kind of remember looking this stuff up when I saw Hyder in the house. Okay, that makes sense.
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Thank you for this reminder. This is key. Now, I think all this culminates in the one story that I was able to find out about Quigley, which comes from an AV Club interview with Curtis Armstrong, who also appears in the film, playing the role of Dexter, ah for their Random Roles column.
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Here's the story as Armstrong told it, and I quote, We were shooting this movie, which is a terrible movie, and he was supposed to come back from the dead.
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And he of course, Gary Busey, supposedly had done this. He'd been in an accident and died and come back. He showed up on a set made to look like heaven and he looked around and said, i can't play this scene.
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And they were three days behind at this point. But Busey said, it's nothing like this. I've been to heaven and it doesn't look like this. That sofa's all wrong.
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The mirror is ridiculous. They don't even have mirrors. It was ridiculous. He was completely nuts about the design of heaven. But then on top of it, one of the guys playing an angel had also died and come back.
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And this guy got into an argument with Busey about the way heaven looked. The two of them wound up coming to blows and they had to send everyone home. So there you go. That's what we were working with.
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They had to send everyone home. Even calling it a day who weren't acting out. Well, I mean, without Gary Busey, there's not much you can do.
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And Gary seems like he needs a day to cool off. Yeah. Wow. That's that my favorite part is the second person who had died and gone to heaven. Yeah. yeah I don't know, Gary. I think they did have mirrors.
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um Maybe just the part where you were at, there weren't any
Quigley's Unexpected Success
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mirrors. It was a really shitty set. Yeah. I didn't look very heavenly to me. No, it didn't.
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yeah They would have better off just going to a field. Just go to a field. Yeah. Yeah. Or like a nice house. Yeah. This was just like a room with the walls painted blue.
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in tell like It is also weird to have a couch in heaven. You'd think you'd probably just stand. Yeah. Just get some, like, smoke machine going at the bottom.
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Heaven can be anything. It's true. They should have just, like, had some of their loved ones around. Yeah, they should have been Yeah. love It's me, your dad.
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Yeah. He doesn't even have to say it. It's in the subtext. The only ah metric of success that is able to find out about Quigley came from somewhere in one of the... ah many assorted William Byron Hillman resources I looked at. They all kind of blended together.
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And he seemed like one of those guys that went to Blogspot, then to LiveJournal. It was very hard to track. sure ah But he allegedly sold 2 million DVDs of Quigley to Walmart.
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Good for him. Yeah. Yeah. And I imagine, yeah, you see this as like $4 at Walmart, like just as a shelf filler. Like, yeah yeah, that makes a lot of sense. The cover of the DVD looks good.
00:21:42
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It looks like you're going to have Gary Busey and a dog. it looks like a real movie. Yeah. It doesn't look like it was shot on a camcorder. And the movie definitely looks like it was shot on a camcorder. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:56
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Other family films of 2003, just to put a thing in its place. You got Finding Nemo. No comparison. You got Air Bud Spikes Back for the Air Bud heads, for the dog film heads.
00:22:12
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Great. That was the state of the art.
00:22:17
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Possibly the worst of the Air Buds, I'm going say. Sure. ah You got The Cat in the Hat. I watched that recently. Real bad. Okay. Something about that's in the zeitgeist. People are talking about The Cat in the Hat with Mike Myers. You should you should watch it It's very sexual, which is not what you'd expect.
00:22:34
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This is the second recommendation I've gotten in a week's time. so yeah I don't want to see his face, but I'll do it. There's a lot in The Cat in the Hat you're not going to want to look at.
00:22:46
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You're not going to want to see it. It's going to give you slight nightmares, but it's worth the experience. I'll do it. I'll get it on the Plex. ah You got Looney Tunes back in action. There are a lot of fans of Looney Tunes back in action.
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I'm not one of them. I didn't know that one existed maybe, but I like Looney Tunes generally. It's got Brendan Fraser and Steve Martin in it. Right, right, right, right, right. right You got Spy Kids 3.
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ah the Spy Kids are back. Spy Kids three d ah Yeah. Yeah. Classic. That phase of the 3D craze. Classic. You got Agent Cody Banks.
00:23:27
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Frankie Muniz making the leap to the big screen. Junior senior?
00:23:34
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Frankie Muniz? Yeah, it was named Frankie Muniz Junior. am I confused? Are you thinking of Freddie Prinze? Maybe I am. okay You also also got Kangaroo Jack.
00:23:47
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Oh, I'm sorry. i should say I was just saying that I think it's important that we recognize there might be ah of Malcolm and Michael Jr. at this point.
00:23:58
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So just shout out to that person if they existed. It's true. That's what people want to see. They want to see Malcolm in the Middle Jr. Fox, get at us. ye Get at us.
00:24:10
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Frankie Muniz, I'm sure you're not that busy. ah Yeah, and Kangaroo Jack. hu Classic. The movie where the kangaroo doesn't actually talk. With that, you guys want to talk about the plot of Quigley? Yeah.
00:24:26
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Very much.
Detailed Plot Discussion
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
00:25:11
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So we open on a storybook illustrations of a Pomeranian walking around as pop punk music plays over our opening credits. god And these illustrations are nothing to write home about.
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No. I'm pretty sure that the dog is in the same position in a several of them. Yeah. It's like a, it's like a puppet. It's like a, it's, it's like a little puppet show with a, but there's a backdrop and then the, like the dog drawing.
00:25:41
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moves around it's so it's very disarming I can say I just this movie really kept um ah not caring about my expectations yes yeah it was its hard to clock at any given point yeah I was impressed by that because I kind of checked in being like oh another shitty movie with Gary Busey in it on camcorder it's like the room and we're gonna laugh and it And it really like kept pulling the rug out.
00:26:13
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was very hard to get your bearings. Yeah. So then we meet our hero, Archie, played by Gary Busey, who's wearing red wraparound sunglasses and driving a gold Porsche with a license plate that reads, Rich Guy.
00:26:31
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Hell yeah. That's pretty cool. He parks at work where he sees a poodle just sort of standing there next to some dog poop.
00:26:45
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Archie goes ballistic and he tries to scare it off. And then he slips in the big pile of poop and then he falls on his back right in the poop. And he tells his right-hand man, Dexter, played by Curtis Armstrong, that he wants to send out a memo stating that all dog owners will be executed.
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I love Curtis Armstrong. I was happy to see him. Except, you know, i want i just I want him to have a good life and to get roles that he cares about. Yes, he said also in that AV Club interview that he was more or less tricked into doing this Beautiful.
00:27:19
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Beautiful. Yeah. But, you know, he did it he doesn't let it show. he know he consummate actor He's not the problem. he dare He does. good He does a good job.
00:27:32
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ah Now, Archie tells Dexter that he wants to do a bunch of layoffs to maximize profits. And he wants Dexter to do them for him and also to play his virtual reality CD-ROM at a big stockholders meeting.
00:27:48
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Archie then hides the virtual reality CD-ROM in his office, which is crazy. Yeah. His office has a commercial espresso machine.
00:28:01
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It has a stone Egyptian statue. Yes. It's very eclectic. There's so many stone statues and things from...
00:28:16
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the natural history museum. Yeah. It feels like he, the director contacted all his friends. it was like, what's something expensive I can borrow from you.
00:28:27
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I'll put that in this guy's office. Do want anything expensive? It's reminded me of driven. Did you ever see that? um Michael Jackson and documentary from the nineties that ah Martin Bashir did. And they just show him going all and buying things.
00:28:45
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e And there's a store that's that's just like big gold expensive stuff. And it's all Egyptian stone statues and like sarcophagi and just stuff you buy if you're crazy and you have infinite money.
00:29:01
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Yeah. That's what the room was like. Yeah. But the cheap version of that somehow. Oh, yeah. So...
00:29:11
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so He then heads home for the day. Driving home, he listens to himself giving a speech about laying off his workers to maximize profits. When suddenly a white Pomeranian wanders into the road, Archie swerves to avoid it and then rolls his Porsche and dies.
00:29:34
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He wakes up in heaven, which looks a lot like a nondescript room. And a quartet of angels tell him that he will be sent back to Earth to atone for being such a piece of human garbage.
00:29:46
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I'd also like to point out very quickly that when he first appears in heaven, what he says is, that was cool. Where am I? Yeah. Which I like the idea of someone dying and then like waking up in heaven being like, wow, that was pretty cool.
00:30:03
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Yeah, I hope that's what it's like when you die, honestly. That was awesome. Oh shit, I was alive! Oh, cool. Well, he's evil and dark-sided, so I kind of took that to be like...
00:30:17
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ah I don't know, like an elementary school kids idea of like someone who's like opposite day version of bad. Sure. Okay. um all People would not like he likes.
00:30:28
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Sure. That's fair. Cool to die and like fun to like be sad and mad. Sure. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. His character is, I'm going say all the characters in this are very odd.
00:30:43
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Yeah. ah Quirky. Yeah. there's I wouldn't look at them as like people with interiority or yeah like they don't exist. they just like Or any level of normalcy.
00:30:56
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Yeah. No. Now, ironically, as a guy that hates dogs, he was going to be sent back as a dog. And the dog is going to be named Quigley.
00:31:10
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No one who ever meets Quigley will ever learn his name. I don't even know why he has a name, but he does, and it's Quigley. He's going to be escorted by his guardian angel, Sweeney, played by Oz Perkins.
00:31:24
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Oz Perkins is both Anthony Perkins' son and the director of the movies Long Legs and the Monkey. Oh, that's that guy? Yeah. Wow, wow that's a great note.
00:31:36
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Yeah. Yeah. Small world. day Thank God he moved on to bigger and better things. like Yeah. Real talent. Did we mention that um after Darabuse first saw the poodle pooping, he told um his he told Dexter that they were going to institute a company mandate to have all dogs killed.
00:31:58
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I believe he might have said all dogs owners executed, but I think it's tough to say. Right. yeah Either one. He's kill all dog-related people and dogs. Yeah. yeah Yeah. I think i think that but that policy is going to be pretty unpopular.
00:32:13
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know But I guess that solves some of his layoffs problems. Yeah. I also feel it's important. I feel like they address this, too, where like Gary Busey is like, so I can talk. And they're like no, you can't talk.
00:32:25
Speaker
in In fact, the only person, the only person who sees Quigley as Gary Busey is Oz Perkins, which they do a lot. They play a lot with, which I was genuinely surprised by.
00:32:37
Speaker
Yeah, they have a little fun with it. The way they decided to do that is so weird. Really wacky. Yeah. ah Chris, you want explain how it goes?
00:32:48
Speaker
Yeah, like they'll have a shot where like Oz Perkins will be holding Quigley the dog as Quigley and we'll put him down on the ground and the camera will sort of pan away and then it'll zoom out and Gary Busey will be sitting where Quigley was.
00:33:04
Speaker
But at the same time, Gary Busey would be kind of like huffing and puffing. Like you sort of you know, he sort of rushed into place. so and like But you could sort of paint off like maybe the dog was panting.
00:33:15
Speaker
Yeah. yeah He's also wearing a collar. Which looks cool and punk rock as hell. Yeah. yeah And there is one scene where Oz Perkins dog walks ah Gary Busey in a collar that I'm sure awakened something in somebody somewhere. at some Oh, yeah.
00:33:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:33:36
Speaker
Now, let's see. thattatatata ah Sweeney tells Archie slash Quigley that he'll be the only person that will see him as Archie the man. Everyone else will see him as Quigley the dog. And he will also get two assignments that he must complete to get into heaven.
00:33:51
Speaker
But Sweeney won't tell him what they are or help him at all. He's strictly an observer. It's good he's there. Yeah, somebody's got to keep an eye on old Quigley. He can't use his clothes a lot.
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, and he's got a lot of great outfits. He does, but it's it's shocking how often he changes his clothes. I mean, I but figured it was like a gag or maybe something to do with like his powers of being an angel.
00:34:19
Speaker
He can just magic on and off different, um like very well-appointed outfits. Yeah, they all fit him very well. It's just like character work that he likes to put on tons of different outfits like in the same scene. Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
yeah It feels like it has to be a choice because it wasn't a choice, it doesn't make sense that they would just literally have this many outfits. like the he has like He sometimes changes outfits like from scene to scene.
00:34:43
Speaker
It's like, let's go for a walk quickly, and he's in another outfit. like It doesn't make any actual sense. And they're beautiful outfits. It's not just a different shirt and ah pants. It's like a three gorgeous little three-piece suit and a cool, like, loud check.
00:35:03
Speaker
It just it's looks intentional. At one point he's wearing a referee shirt, I thought was very strange. I loved it. I used to do that in high school. I loved it. The clothes are great.
00:35:14
Speaker
It's true. I imagine those must be from Oz Perkins' personal collection. hope so. I hope so. Yeah. Now... Archie figures he'll start by heading back to his old office, since that's the only place that he's ever been.
00:35:31
Speaker
Unfortunately, he promptly wanders into a janitor's closet and gets locked in overnight. Meanwhile, Dexter and his co-worker, Sarah, are unable to locate Archie's virtual reality CD-ROM, a phrase that is said over and over again to the point where it almost loses all meaning.
00:35:49
Speaker
o VR-TDR. It's a Neil Breen-esque. It's like virtual reality CD-ROM. It's like, what does that even mean?
00:36:00
Speaker
Especially 2003. I mean, it feels... It's funny to laugh at a VR CD-R in the year 2025, but those, you know... I mean, I feel like in 1997, I guess, not so much 2003, there would sometimes be ah like a school assembly and they'd show you um like the mind's eye.
00:36:24
Speaker
Yes. Or the mind's eye too. Yes. um my like Virtual reality. But it was very early CGI. Yeah.
00:36:35
Speaker
Yeah. This definitely feels like a guy just throwing together two tech terms that he heard. Yeah. I was hoping it was, it would really be a virtual reality CD room.
00:36:47
Speaker
Yes, and especially since virtual reality does not happen at any point. And there's it's more of just a ah CD. yeah know You could call it augmented reality that Archie is a secret dog.
00:37:03
Speaker
mi Yeah. Yeah. He's a dog that sees himself as a man. And there's a very, but let's take a quick moment. Let's talk about identity and sure quickly, because at several times he's like, well, I had to take a piss because when you're a dog, sometimes when you got a
Themes of Identity and Faith
00:37:23
Speaker
piss, you just got a piss. You can't even hold it. That's why I pissed in this guy's briefcase.
00:37:26
Speaker
God bless you. briefcase yeah at the same time he saw himself as clothed who do you think it's like a the matrix situation where he sees himself as he envisions himself but also in a collar there's a lot going on that's a good question like how does he perceive himself like was he standing there was he squatting there with his leg up i think he's ah well in the first case with the briefcase p i think he's being a son of a bitch yeah okay to speak yeah yeah okay he knows he can like sort of like get away with it um and then maybe it's sort of like an anamorphs thing where he's getting a little bit of the animal mind or he's just he's getting used to um
00:38:16
Speaker
these habits inside this body, but it's, it's all a smear. If he stays too long, he'll forget what it's like to be a man. and Yeah. I'm going I'm going to take it in a different direction. going like quantum mechanics, you know, where it's like, he's both a man peeing on a briefcase and a dog peeing on a briefcase, but we never know until we check, you know, when he thinks about it, he's a man. But when we see it, when we check, it's a dog, you know?
00:38:42
Speaker
Oh, wow. Okay. I'm going to say, I'm going to take it to another level. I'm going to take it the anagogical level. Okay. I'm going to say spiritually, he is it is true that he is a man. Physically, it is true that he is a dog.
00:38:54
Speaker
And those two things, those two truths exist both in a simultaneous state of being true. I like that quite a bit. And you what did you call this word? Anagogical.
00:39:06
Speaker
Anagogical. Shout out Anna. Yes, shout out to Anna. Miss you, baby. Okay, okay, back on track. yeah Let's see. Heads to his office, gets locked in janitor's closet, can't find the CD-ROM. The janitor's an interesting person.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yes, the janitor is your classic comedic German. I don't see a lot of comedic Germans these days. That janitor was a hoot. yeah yeah Yeah, real throwback.
00:39:36
Speaker
but who was recent He had a funny name. I think it was Frank. But they called him like Janitor Trots or something. well They very well could. in In the credits, he's listed solely as Frank the Janitor.
00:39:50
Speaker
right. Now, Quigley sneaks into Dexter's office, pisses in his briefcase, and steals the keys to Archie's office before getting locked back in the janitor's closet for the night again somehow.
00:40:06
Speaker
that night Sweeney shames Archie for his misogynistic behavior as a boss by informing him that without women, we wouldn't have the windshield wiper or laser printers.
00:40:19
Speaker
Much to consider. That was so great. That was, uh, that was a great moment dialogue. Yeah. Cause he, like he listed the things first. hey Like Archie was like, you know,
00:40:32
Speaker
being a jerk and stuff and Sweeney was you know in reprimanding mode but instead of saying hey stop that um oh because Archie said that you can't trust men and women are like dogs and then Sweeney just started listing items and then he was like what do all these things have in common and then he was like what do all these things have in common They were all invented by women.
00:41:05
Speaker
they teaching. makes you think yeah I think, I think he's finally getting through the old Archie. Yeah. ah Now, the next morning, Dexter finds Quigley's footprints on his desk.
00:41:18
Speaker
on his desk and And so he sends out the janitor and two bungling security guards to find him. One of the janitors was the voice of Patrick Starr from SpongeBob.
00:41:29
Speaker
Also so Dauber on Coach. Same guy. yeah The other guy was, I think, on Sister's Sister. Oh, hell yeah. Good for him. Now, Sarah is distraught by Dexter's antipathy towards animals.
00:41:48
Speaker
But he explains that Archie hated dogs and he just wants to keep things running the way Archie would during his sudden unexplained absence. Do you think anybody knows that Archie is dead? So I was curious about that, but they actually address that at one point they do address that he's actually dead.
00:42:04
Speaker
Because I was like, do they know he's dead? And then Momostaria's like, no, they do know he's dead. Okay. It just didn't seem like anybody else worked there. Yeah, I mean, it's probably because they didn't want to pay other actors.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But they so they certainly only didn't do many tricks to make it feel full. That's for sure. Except for the stairwell. There is one point at which there are like six people going up and down the stairwell and it's like, that doesn't happen in an office. They all take the elevator. You know that.
00:42:31
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Maybe they just looked out and they shot a scene where some people were going ah and down the stairs. now We'll get those guys at the stairs. Go, go, goco quickco quick go, go, pass them and say your lines.
00:42:44
Speaker
Uh, now that's the, let's see, uh, antipathy towards songs. Oh, also Dexter is going to, uh, fire a bunch of people just like Archie would have wanted.
00:42:56
Speaker
Sarah wants him to reconsider all that later when Sarah finds quickly in Archie's office and quickly has found the missing virtual reality CD-ROM. She calls Dexter over, but by the time Dexter gets there quickly has smashed the virtual reality CD-ROM into pieces.
00:43:13
Speaker
Yes. a It seems like Archie's having a change of heart. Instead of being upset, Dexter is elated. Now he has no choice but to run the company the way that he wants to, which is to say, kindly.
00:43:28
Speaker
Yeah. He even pats Quigley and asks Sarah out to dinner. Yeah. Good for you, Curtis Armstrong. ah I also feel like we should mention that ah Curtis Armstrong is really into developing this video game system that they've got.
00:43:46
Speaker
Yes. It's going to have three joysticks. That's the one of the best parts of it. Because they're a video game company. Yes. That's what the business is. yeahp And the fun part of the game is you have to keep on switching joysticks in it.
00:43:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's the joystick switching mechanic is a blast. It's like, what are you talking about? What could you possibly be talking about? Yeah, one of the, maybe was Sarah was talking about, she was like, my favorite part, this is like the only time we hear about them talking about this product that they make.
00:44:17
Speaker
And she's like, my favorite part is when you have to switch joysticks and you think it's going to be one thing But then you you're wrong. And then it's she said something very, very specific about what goes on in her mind.
00:44:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. She's switching joysticks. This sounds like the. crate Well, until we see the other video game that comes later in the film, this one sounds like the craziest that I've ever heard.
00:44:42
Speaker
Now, ah let's see. Quigley, he runs outside and he meets up with Sweeney. Sweeney tells him that he has one more assignment, and he also can't tell him what that one is. But he can't tell him that it's helping out his estranged brother, Woodworth.
00:44:58
Speaker
Then Quigley gets captured by the dog catcher and sent to the pound, and then he escapes with Sweeney's help. No problem. The dog catcher, I think, was the character I was thinking of who has a funny name, because his name is Dog Catcher Spriggs.
00:45:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's... And he keeps he says his own name a lot. He says, I'm I'm dog catcher Spriggs. And um like, I'm going to get you. Yeah.
00:45:24
Speaker
I mean, if I was dog catcher Wally Spriggs, I would say my own name a lot, too. That's that's really satisfying. Yeah. Right up there with saying my name is quickly. He has a lot of enthusiasm for his job and for his name.
00:45:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. ah Now, let's see. It's perfect timing, really, because the next thing we know, we see a young girl in the street about to get hit by a car.
00:45:51
Speaker
Quigley leaps to push her out of the way, and it turns out that she's Archie's niece, Megan. Megan brings Quigley home to mom and her brother, Brian.
00:46:02
Speaker
and The kids want to keep him, but mom surmises that a well-groomed purebred dog like Quigley probably has an owner that's looking for him. Probably. Little does she know that Quigley is actually her reincarnated brother-in-law, and no man is his master, only God.
00:46:21
Speaker
Hmm.
00:46:23
Speaker
That night, Woodward tells the missus that he might get laid off. If he does, he'll have to stop working on his own personal video game. Yeah. That's the worst.
00:46:35
Speaker
I love hearing his wife be like, no, you've got to finish that game. You've got to finish your game. She's really supportive. Yeah. I like to imagine that it's just playing a game.
00:46:47
Speaker
Yeah. Gotta beat civilization seven on warlord. If you don't know, you can do it. You can do it. You can do it. Also. Can I say the supportive wife is beautiful?
00:46:59
Speaker
Yes. yeah You can absolutely say that. She looks like a, a supermodel and she's beautifully styled in every scene. Yeah. Yes. A real asset to the film.
00:47:12
Speaker
Uh, let's see. Where was... Oh, yes. That night, Woodward tells the missus that he might get laid off, and he does. He doesn't have to stop working on his face.
00:47:23
Speaker
yeah I definitely said that. Chris cut that part out at start. Again. Now. I'm serious. The next day, Megan sneaks out of the house to make sure that the flyers they have hanging up advertising that they found Quigley that have no picture of Quigley or even a description beyond nice dog. That just says nice dog.
00:47:44
Speaker
found a nice dog is it yours yeah uh but she's checking to make sure that they're still hanging up she's just checking to make sure like ah at one point in the scene i was watching it with my partner and she was like wait why is she what's she doing she's walking around looking at the flyers that they hung up Yeah, just just making sure that no local vandals tore them down. She really wants to put in a good faith effort to return Quigley to his end. feel like she was trying to see if they were taken down, because if they were taken down, that would mean that someone was going to claim Quigley.
00:48:20
Speaker
Good point. Sure. yeah Yeah, if it was your dog, you wouldn't leave the flyer there. Exactly. Someone else needs to see it. I'm satisfied by that. I never thought of it that That's what I would do if I lost my dog. I would take the flyer home. I was thinking I should take a picture of the flyer.
00:48:38
Speaker
It a different world back then. You know, you had to take the flyer. That was the only way you could do it. What didn't turn out to be my dog. I'd be like, oh, I should go hang the flyer back up.
00:48:49
Speaker
So when mom figures out that Megan has gotten lost through the hints dropped by her loyal dog, Quigley, she hits the streets looking for Megan.
00:49:04
Speaker
Mom tells Woodward and calls the cops, but then Quigley hits the streets. Yes. There's a looking for the little girl montage.
00:49:17
Speaker
And then Quigley finds her and leads her home, and everyone is happy. Where was she? She was sitting the side of a road. Yeah. She was in a pile of signs.
00:49:29
Speaker
Yeah. I have to say I really liked that little girl because she was always outside playing with like a stick and hoop or like yeah a ball, like just like holding a big red ball. And she was like, like, I don't like too old to be playing with.
00:49:46
Speaker
like Yeah. Especially because she was also playing video games. They established. Oh yeah. yeah yeah yeah
00:49:53
Speaker
Ages eight to 88. Yeah. yeah Now, unfortunately, later, Sweeney informs Archie that finding his missing niece was not actually his other assignment.
00:50:05
Speaker
His brother is still in rough financial straits. In fact, that night, Woodward gets laid off. Everyone is going to sleep. It quickly decides that maybe it's time to check out Woodward's video game.
00:50:19
Speaker
It's called Tiny Tales, and it appears to be a visual novel about three small animals skipping stones on a pond. can i Can I tell you, i took a I took a screenshot of every one of the three piles of text that appears on screen.
00:50:35
Speaker
Oh my God, do you have them there? Yeah, I don't have a way to upload them here. I can get them to you, but I can read them out loud. so i can yeah okay So the first one, you've got like a fox, a rabbit, and a turtle all looking at a pond.
00:50:47
Speaker
looked really beautiful. and yeah yeah It says, hey fellas, as long as we've got a minute or two, let's see who can skip a stone the most number of times. The winner gets first dib on whatever is in my toy box.
00:51:02
Speaker
Okay. And then there's a stone skipping game. that is That is level one ah Also, like the video game recognizes people. Whoever plays it, it's like, hello, Quigley, which is impressive technology, I have to say.
00:51:18
Speaker
yeah ah Next we have, it's a surprise party. It says, this is the perfect surprise party. All my friends are here and they've all brought me gifts that I really, really like.
00:51:29
Speaker
I'm truly blessed to have so many great friends and we've got a couple of options. First, let's help blow out the candles. Second, time for some party games. Number three, let's sing a song, everyone.
00:51:42
Speaker
So that's stage two. um yeah I got to go with let's blow out the candles. These candles are already lit. This is the most urgent situation. And actually, I got of a little out of order. That was stage three. So my apologies. Here's stage two. I took the photos in the poor order. So, uh, hi, Bart. I don't know why it says Bart, but it does.
00:52:00
Speaker
Uh, I just heard about Billy's surprise party. I was planning on making him a new wagon to carry all his toys around in, but I can't decide on a color. After that, I'm going to eat lunch.
00:52:11
Speaker
And then we've got several options. perfect There's also a there there's a bear with a pacifier and a bib that says feed me. And our options are what is Billy's favorite color?
00:52:22
Speaker
That's a question. Two, can you ah can you make it to Billy's party? Or ah want to help me decorate? Those are your options for level two. So that's, as far as I can tell, the entirety of the game is those three questions.
00:52:37
Speaker
Wow. And one of them is skipping as a skipping stone game. So that's like a mini game. Yes. To advance through the visual novel. Yeah, that's level one. Well, it's absorbing enough for quickly to stay up all night playing it.
00:52:52
Speaker
So I assume that there's a like it's like Ulysses. Like it's a lot of tiny little moments. inside of normal life. Sure, sure. We can run that.
00:53:03
Speaker
Quigley instantly recognizes that this is one of the best video games ever made. Obviously. He plays it all night and come morning grabs the disc and runs off with it. His family chase him in their minivan and Quigley leads them all to Archie's old company.
00:53:19
Speaker
He brings the disc to Dexter, who recognizes Quigley and also instantly recognizes that this is one of the greatest video games ever made. I mean, it's got that skipping stone thing in it, and it's There's the surprise party. Mm-hmm. And then you can ask a bear a question.
00:53:36
Speaker
All your friends are there, and they brought you your favorite presents. That sounds amazing. Mm-hmm. There was a poster on the wall of Dexter's office that was, like, one of the other games that they sell at the company. and I have a...
00:53:49
Speaker
Oh, it was It was called... It was called... Mondo Violessio. Violessio? V-I-O-L-E-C-I-O.
00:54:02
Speaker
This made me laugh so hard. Because he's like he's like, it's better than our prior bestseller. And then they point to the wall, and it's this stupid picture of what looks like a person...
00:54:17
Speaker
That looks like a Ninja Turtle, except that it's not a turtle's body. It's just a suit that is green. ah and he's also a pirate because he's got like a he's got an eye patch and he's wearing like a bandana on his head.
00:54:31
Speaker
and then they cut back to the girl and she's like, my dad says that game's trash. And then Dexter goes, it is. It's it incredible.
00:54:44
Speaker
Absolutely incredible. And the poster is like eight and a half by 11. It's very small. very small. They did not spring for the full size. They just have a tiny little poster.
00:54:57
Speaker
How much for the 10 by 18? Now, so he offers Woodward a cool half a million dollars for the rights to Tiny Tales and to start working for him immediately.
00:55:09
Speaker
Right there on the spot. yeah In 2003 money? I mean, he needed a job. think it's probably going to be a good deal for both us. He's not really in a position to bargain much. It's true.
00:55:21
Speaker
It's true. now ah And also, this game, I'm going to say, going have a very niche audience. Extremely.
00:55:30
Speaker
Now, ah Sweeney then shows up, and he says that Quigley is actually his dog, and takes him and leaves.
00:55:38
Speaker
Sweeney then brings him back to heaven, where God tells Archie that good deeds are not enough. Entrance to heaven can only be guaranteed through faith alone. Right.
00:55:50
Speaker
Which was an incredible moment for this movie. Yeah. Because first of all, we find out that God is Lutheran. So that's good to know. Ah, I didn't pick that up somehow.
00:56:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That was the big thing with the Lutherans was faith alone. Ah, okay. They should put that on the box. They should. So, you know what you're getting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, god forbid I was a, I don't know, a Baptist.
00:56:16
Speaker
Yeah. Right. What if you're a different kind of Christian and you put that on in front of your kids and you want to encourage them to do good deeds and then, you know, the movie's telling them not to.
00:56:27
Speaker
I also like that during the section, they're like, there are no second chances. It's like, wasn't this whole movie an opportunity to try again? This was is the get a third chance. Yes. That was that what's happened. It's like this whole movie is a second chance, right?
00:56:44
Speaker
It's the first chance after death. um Next chance would be. Okay. So he has one chance after his original chance yeah to undo what he did. He doesn't get a second chance at the second chance.
00:56:56
Speaker
Life itself is like chance zero. Okay. Oh, oh okay. So yeah, it's a zero confusion. It's arithmetic. Yeah, this makes sense theoretically. You don't get a second chance, but you get a mulligan.
00:57:06
Speaker
Yeah. um you get one more You get one chance and then on the next one, that's the yeah then the actual chance. yeah Then that's your first strike.
00:57:17
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Your second chance is your first strike. And you can get one Dio. And let me tell you, you get Three outs and that's the inning. That's right.
00:57:30
Speaker
So many metaphors. That's it. And then you're going hell. Then. But also, do you think that means that his two assignments should have then been like forming a personal relationship with Christ?
00:57:43
Speaker
You would think... Like, instead of doing some good deeds? You would think that. You would think that that would be the whole purpose of it. Because it's just like, you gotta go back and try to fix things. But all of that was pointless anyway, so... It seems hard to measure his relationship with Christ.
00:57:59
Speaker
It would have been good to just have... ah Quickly go back and then spend the rest of the movie reading the Bible. That would have been riveting. Little dog paws. Like, really thinking about it? Like, really?
00:58:14
Speaker
He did that for me? How about that? It would be very cute. The dog is an amazing actor. um The dog was great. Oh, yeah. Five stars to Quigley as Quigley. Five stars to Quigley as himself.
00:58:27
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So then Archie wakes up in a hospital bed. It was all a dream. But now he's a changed man.
00:58:38
Speaker
He calls Dexter and asked him to pick him up at the hospital and then tells him that he's going to make him full partner at the company. Uh, they then head over to Woodward's house where the two of them reconcile and uncle Archie gives the kid a Pomeranian puppy and he tells them his name is Quigley.
00:59:03
Speaker
Okay. But when Archie approaches the family, at this point meanwhile everything that happened has been erased oh yeah none of that happened there was just there was a part where there's like ah a litter of pomeranian puppies and everyone's gonna get one because yeah sweeney turns up he's takes quickly the dog he's like i own quickly i'm the owner um but don't worry uh we just found out that there's an unrelated litter of Pomeranian puppies. And so everybody can like, let's all go for a round of puppies and we're all going to get puppies.
00:59:39
Speaker
I think little Quigley in the alternate real timeline is from that litter of puppies. no That's my theory.
00:59:49
Speaker
that would That's how we knew where to find a puppy. So queer yeah. Or should I say so quickly? Yeah. e Well, I'm sure, yes. I'm sure all of the logistics on that work out.
01:00:03
Speaker
I mean, yeah. Quigley is tight as a drum. Yeah. Okay. but So then Archie goes to see his estranged family in the timeline where he's learned his lesson and he's ready to be nice to everybody. And he comes out of this black car in his suit and the family has no reason to um like give him any goodwill. He's still just horrible estranged.
01:00:28
Speaker
um Uncle Archie who humiliated their father at one point because the dad I guess approached the tech company one time with the feelings and the dad was like get out of here you're an embarrassment to the family and you're no good and made him feel bad so they all so he shows up with nothing nude off of them he just says come here and hug me Yeah. He's very persistent.
01:01:00
Speaker
And it works. he's He says he's going to be changed. And he gives him a dog. So that's something. yeah Yeah. The turning point is when he produces the dog. Yeah. And, you know, as ah as a Christian film, forgiveness is hypothetically such a ah core principle that I could see Chris Adkins forgiving his brother as being one of his virtues and showing him as the good brother.
01:01:26
Speaker
I know. he He just, ah he really, the vibes in that scene could not possibly. No. It's so funny that they're all standing like 25 feet apart as they're talking to each other.
01:01:41
Speaker
Hey, it's me. You can stay over there. ah Well, final thoughts, five star ratings. Where did everybody land in terms of watchability and weirdness? Greg, you want to kick us off?
01:01:53
Speaker
All right, I will. So watchability, this is a five. ah This is hands down a five. I
Final Thoughts and Ratings
01:02:00
Speaker
think even like there was some part of me, like I was excited when I saw what it was, but I was like Christian film. I watched a lot of those growing up. Am I going to be bored or annoyed by that in some way? and and no.
01:02:13
Speaker
no ah This to me seemed as Christian as like basically like i still believe while while don't have a religion i still basically believe in the 10 commandments because i don't want to like steal anything or murder anybody you know and it feels like it's operating at that level you know it's just like yeah just be nice just be nice to people help it's like those are all good those are all good things that i think we can all get into but out so don't forget that yes exactly uh and um
01:02:45
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just Just a joy. the And everybody is really committed. Like Gary Busey is not phoning it in, which you'd think he might be. He's actually taking it to, like when he acts sometimes like, I hadn't really thought, like there's something about his performance. I'm just like, I hadn't actually considered that kind of reaction, but that actually makes sense. Gary Busey is a man who's masquerading as a dog and is stuck in that.
01:03:07
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It's interesting that you're going there. ah So watchability. This is a five. I think anybody will get joy out of this. I intend to watch it tomorrow ah with a friend because it's just one of those things. It's like as soon as you see it, you're willing to see it again.
01:03:20
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So don't hesitate. is Weirdness goes, I'm going to go three and a half. I could go more. Actually, you know, I'm going to do four just because it's very normal seeming.
01:03:36
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And then when you think about it, it's like, oh, no, that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, actually. ah Even the logistics of how they present the dog, where it's just like, you can't talk.
01:03:47
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And then it like cuts to Gary Busey just like on all fours being like, what am I supposed to do? can't manipulate anything. And it's just like... Yeah, this is breaking down the context of a man being a dog in a way I just didn't expect.
01:04:02
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And this all talk about video games. It's like they're in a whole and a different world altogether. Really great. Loved every moment of it. What about you, Zerab? Where do you land in terms of watchability and weirdness?
01:04:15
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um I am, and I said this at the beginning, but I was surprised at what a good time I had watching it. um Like I said, like it was like a Reddit tip.
01:04:27
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I went in with like a little bit of a cold heart. Because was like, yeah, you were going to make fun of a Christian movie that costs $12 to make. Like, I was like, it's going to be low-hanging fruit and it'll probably be silly and that's fine.
01:04:40
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But it was, there was something like so original about how off the wall it was. Like, it it really did keep... um doing things and even like spitting out dialogue that were like, I was like, excuse me, like what?
01:05:01
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Like genius poetry did this stupid ass movie just say? um and and that was consistent. Like there wasn't even, I, again, like my expectations continued to be low even after the movie started demonstrating that it was gonna be a good time. And it just kept being fantastic.
01:05:21
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fun the whole time um so i guess i'm just gonna give it a five not yeah no that's fair and i i am uh let's see the weirdness stuff Oh, weirdness.
01:05:39
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i think the weirdest thing about it was how good it is. ah Yeah. And it's, you know, again, hard to tell how um intentional this form of quality is, but it kind of doesn't matter. Yeah, exactly. me So i guess i I mean, what could it do to be like, what is weirder? I don't know.
01:06:01
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i don't want weirdness just for weirdness's sake. Like, I don't need like a big weird monster on wheels. No, no, no. let's give it up Let's give it a four for weirdness. There you go. It's not the craziest thing you've ever seen in your life, but it's not... It's not sane.
01:06:15
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It's not sane. No, it's not the most sane thing I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. I gave it a good four and a half in watchability. I thought it was good proper trash, you know, a good meal.
01:06:26
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I was talking to Greg before the show and I told him it feels like this was the type of thing that we would be watching every week when we came up with the idea of your favorite bad movie podcast.
01:06:37
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And I've enjoyed that we've had a lot more variety than that. And I've enjoyed, you know, seeing how other people approach it and getting to watch a whole bunch of different type of movies. I think it's been really great, but it's really nice just to have just a meaty piece of garbage. You can stink your teeth into. Yeah.
01:06:55
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And I'll give it four stars in weirdness. There's a handful of very competent actors in this yeah very, very, incompetent movie and their competence really helped make it more watchable.
01:07:09
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you know what mean? Absolutely. Like they at least know to how to deliver lines. It it never feels like you're just watching people go through the motions and that helps a lot to have them all being committed and showing up on the day.
01:07:24
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but it's in the service of something that's very strange, a very odd vision. And the kind of thing that I think you could see was made by and overconfident guy.
01:07:36
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Yeah. Who got in over his head at some point. Now, but that said, he wanted to go back for more.
01:07:47
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We can talk about that a little bit in our next segment. The sequel was shelved.
01:08:00
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This movie film was pretty good. If you ask me, I think they would make a sequel. But the sequel was shared.
01:08:18
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This movie film was pretty good. If you asked me, I think they would make a sequel, but no sequel was bad.
01:08:36
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So near as I can tell, Quigley was William Byron Hillman's biggest
Sequel Plans and Games
01:08:40
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success. ah So it makes sense that he would be working on a sequel, but In fact, he's still working on it today, and he appears to have been working on it since at least 2012. Here's what i he was able to piece together from bits and bobs from his blog, archived personal website, and Amazon listings for the novel Quigley 2. The title I've seen is Quigley 2, Quigley's Christmas Adventure.
01:09:08
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Perfect, right? Mm-hmm. And now the plot is centered around a failing toy company that is staffed entirely with autistic people. What?
01:09:19
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Hmm. Sure. That's what... Yep, yep. yeahp that That was the choice that he made, and I'm sure he's going to knock it out of the park.
01:09:31
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Yep. Now, when a trio of slackers show up to shut the place down, an alarm bell goes off in heaven. God quickly sends not one, but two heavenly dogs, Quigley and Knuckles.
01:09:50
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Hey, that psychic name is taken. yeah you can't name something an animal Knuckles. Come on, dude. I mean, it was a long time. yeah Anyway. it was It was long after sonic and Tails and Knuckles. I'll say that.
01:10:07
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um know ah They also get sent down with a wingless angel named Thurmond to set things right. Also, Santa Claus was in the mix somewhere. I'm not sure. And Santa Claus was going to be played by a black actor.
01:10:21
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Okay. Assorted talent attached included Scott Baio, James Duvall, and William McNamara to play, I believe, the trio of slackers.
01:10:36
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James Duvall as a slacker who shuts down, ah Was it Santa's workshop? No, no. Toy makers. Toy makers staffed entirely with autistic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:49
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Who is William McNamara? I have no idea. He was. Hang on. This is why I've got this set up on my computer. I looked it up before and I forgot.
01:11:00
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I can tell you listeners that James Duvall was in nowhere and Independence Day. was in May. And obviously Scott Baio.
01:11:12
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We all know Scott Baio. William McNamara. He was in Copycat. He was the killer in the movie Copycat. I've never seen that.
01:11:23
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Oh my God. You've got to see It's got Sigourney Weaver and Holly Hunter in it together. It's incredible. Great. joe It is a slam dunk 90s thriller. One of my favorites. Nice.
01:11:36
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ah But other than that let's see his other top four on IMDb stealing home. Amber road surviving the game. no Yeah.
01:11:48
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Nothing. Amber road.
01:11:52
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Now, but Gary Busey was not slated to return. Last I read on the Quigley 2 official Facebook page, production had been delayed by COVID-19, the novel coronavirus.
01:12:06
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But Hillman is still planning on moving forward with it. and Okay. So keep an eye out. Quigley 2 could be coming down the pike. Sounds interesting. um I have a question.
01:12:19
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What about Quigley Down Under? Where are we on that? point I feel like... It's got to be this. I haven't seen it. Have you guys seen it? I've not seen that movie, no. All right.
01:12:30
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We'll have to check it out. We'll report back on Quickly Down Under, the unofficial sequel or prequel to Quickly. We'll see. Well, do you guys want to play a game? Yes.
01:12:41
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Yes, please. yeah All right. I love doing a classic Anderson transition. Let's play a little Two Out of Three Are Real.
01:12:51
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He's this guy, he's that guy But there ain't no way he ever played the third guy I know how you feel
01:13:09
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But two out of three are real I said I know how you feel
01:13:21
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Two out of three are real. Maybe we can talk all night.
01:13:31
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But now it's time for the segment.
01:13:40
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That's right. We're going to play a little two out of three are real. and We're doing it with the filmography of Christopher Adkins. He, of course, played Woodward in this film. He's most famous for being in the movie Blue Lagoon.
01:13:52
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me But he's actually one put in a lot of great work. So what I've got here is I'm going to read you three movie titles and roles that would have been played by Christopher Adkins.
01:14:07
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Two of them are real, but one of them is a fake. I want you to tell me which one is fake. Very quickly, who's Chris Antkins again in the in the picture?
01:14:18
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Woodward. Woodward. Okay. I actually can't remember who that is either. That's the father. Yeah, in the second one. Well, that's right. yeah The designer of Tale Game. Tale Tale.
01:14:32
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Got it.
01:14:34
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So this is a buzz-in game. You'll buzz in by saying your own name. If you get it wrong, your opponent will have the chance to steal. Is everybody ready? Yeah. Yes. All right.
01:14:46
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Which one of these is fake? Die Watching Michael Terrence. Beaks the Movie. Peter. Or Killer Bear.
01:14:59
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Jock. Greg. Greg? Beaks the Movie.
01:15:07
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I'm sorry. Beaks is real. ah Sarah, can you steal? um Yes. I think the fake one is going to be the third one that you said.
01:15:20
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Killer bear jock. Sure.
01:15:24
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You're correct. Question number two. In Mortuary Academy, Max Grimm. Goof squad.
01:15:36
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Billy Tompkins or A Night in Heaven? Rick. Greg. Greg? Goof Squad. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I'm sure I've heard you say Goof Squad at some point in my life. That sounded like a Chris joke.
01:15:54
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Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Question number three. Child Bride of Short Creek. ah Isaac King.
01:16:05
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Night Rose, Ackbar's daughter, Bitterman, or Son of a Cop, Sergeant Tanner. Sarah. Sarah?
01:16:16
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think Bitterman is fake.
01:16:20
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I'm sorry, he did play knight Bitterman in Night Rose, Ackbar's Daughter. Greg, can you steal? ah Let's say Son of a Cop. You got it. I made up Son of a Cop. It's really unfortunate that the first one is real.
01:16:35
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Yeah. Yeah. He really did star in child bride of short Creek. Oh my question. Number three, Ninja Dawn, Murphy, Dawn, Ninja Dawn.
01:16:47
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Okay. Murphy, Dracula rising, Vlad, project shadow chaser three snake. rule ah Greg?
01:17:01
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greg What was the Dawn one? what was the it was Ninja Dawn. the say ninja don You're correct. I like Ninja Dawn because you can pretend there's just a woman named Dawn who's a ninja. That's really nice.
01:17:15
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Yeah, it works both ways. Question number five. Bullet down under. Martin Bullet. Smoke and lightning.
01:17:27
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Lightning. and Or Gun in the Night. Hank Gun. Greg. ah Sarah. um i I don't know. I'm going to say light Lightning is made up.
01:17:43
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Now he did play Lightning in Smoke and Lightning. I feel like I've actually seen that somehow. It sounds good. ah What was the third one? Gun in the Night. Hank Gun. Yeah, we'll say Hank Gun and Gun in the Night.
01:17:57
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Yeah, yeah. I tried. I knew if you went back to look at Hank Gunn, it wouldn't hold up.
01:18:05
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All right. Question number three. Guns of Honor. Dusty Fog. Mustang Sundown. Dusty Fog. Trigger Fast.
01:18:18
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Dusty Fog. Sarah. Sarah? I didn't actually pick one ahead of time. I think I'm going to say the second Dusty Fog. Mustang sundown.
01:18:31
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You're correct. All right. Plenty game left to play. Question number seven. Party cabin.
01:18:41
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Teague. Wet n Wild Summer. Bobby McCain.
01:18:48
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word is that? Oh, Tequila Express. David Manning.
01:18:55
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ah what was Can you read them again? Absolutely. Party Cabin Teague Wet and Wild Summer Bobby McCain Tequila Express David Manning Craig greg Party Cabin?
01:19:15
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You're correct, Craig. He's in a lot of movies. He kept busy.
01:19:22
Speaker
Question number eight. A horse for summer, Pastor Bob. Ride them high, Sheriff Lane. Or the little unicorn, PC Sid Edwards.
01:19:38
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Sarah. Sarah? um What was the first one again? A horse for summer, Pastor Bob. I'll say a horse for summer.
01:19:49
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I'm sorry, that one is real. Could give me the other two again very quickly? Ride Em High, Sheriff Lane, or The Little Unicorn, PC Sid Edwards? ah The second one, which would be the first one you read here, I guess.
01:20:05
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Ride Em High? Yes. That is correct. All right, last question.
01:20:14
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Title to murder. Paul Shaughnessy. Deadly dilutions. so I'm sorry. Deadly Delusions, Sam Gitlin.
01:20:26
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Invitation from Death, Tanner Doyle. keep I keep thinking of the one that I like the most, and then it's like, that's not my choice. What were the other two again?
01:20:39
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So, Greg. one i like greg The second one you said, whatever that was, what was that? Deadly Delusions, Sam Gitlin. Yeah, that's the one.
01:20:51
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I'm sorry, Sarah, can you steal? um I'm going say the first one. Title to murder, Paul Shaughnessy? Yes. No, I stumped you
Batty Awards and Humorous Moments
01:21:03
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guys with that one. That one was Invitation from Death, Tanner DeWeele.
01:21:07
Speaker
Invitation from Death is a really great title. Thank you. The word from is where I kind of fall off on that title.
01:21:19
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Well, you guys want to give out some Batty Awards? Absolutely. here
01:21:32
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:21:42
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Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:21:48
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Congratulations to all the nominees.
01:21:56
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That's right. Congratulations to all our nominees. Congratulations to you, listener. You now know more about Quigley than you did when you started listening to the show. Congrats. Greg, do you have a Batty Award?
01:22:08
Speaker
I do. So a couple of honorable mentions. Mondo Valeseo was definitely in the running for a Batty Award. ah Really loved it. ah There's a beautiful exchange in which in the second story, the kids are like, can the dog go to bed with us? And the father says, no, that dog's still a stranger.
01:22:28
Speaker
Yeah. Which is a really beautiful exchange. That was so good. I love it. You said that. But the award is going to go to the single greatest image in Quigley, the one that has been living in my brain rent-free since I've seen it, which is just this smiley, happy little white Pomeranian picture.
01:22:53
Speaker
pushing a chair across an office room for some reason. And Sarah gets down behind him and just like, that is so cute. And I think I went, yes, it is is, because it is the cutest thing. and he's really pushing that chair.
01:23:08
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and I was like, a Pomeranian can actually push a chair. and he's pushing that chair and he's smiling. and I could just watch that. I could watch that for hours. I just watch it for hours.
01:23:20
Speaker
I completely understand. a well, earned reward a well-earned baddie award sarah do you have a baddie award yeah i think i do uh well first of all i forgot about that line where the dad says the dog is still a stranger that's what i mean like this movie is just next level with stuff like that like you can't suck at art and write a line like that yeah yeah so i'm you know that That line's getting an award for me. I'm not going to give it a Batty Award because Greg already gave that an award. um i you know Of course, I loved that part where Sweeney names all the inventions and then invented it. yeah ye apologize
01:24:06
Speaker
that That was great. was just like so illustrative of the heart of the movie, of the originality of the movie, and I'll always remember it. Um, I really liked it when they i just I feel like we didn't talk about Gary Busey's look enough during this movie.
01:24:29
Speaker
Yeah. because of course he starts to look like a little more unhinged once he's in dog form. and he's Yes. Here, his hair is messier. He looks like a punk in an 80s movie where the punk is the bully.
01:24:45
Speaker
Yeah. Like he looks like the bully from like the Flintstones kind of, but if you know, that person was wearing a white button down shirt. Uh, and then cause he's wearing that dog collar and he just looks cool and a little scary.
01:25:00
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no Yeah. He does look scary. To the, um, accessory of the, of the dog collar and Gary Busey. And, um, my final award will go to,
01:25:14
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ah the litter of puppies that yeah seems, it seems like everyone was going to get some puppies, but then it turned out to be a dream. yeah A wonderful dream though. it yeah I'm going to shout out, not my batty word, but if we're shouting out little lines and that's one of the delights of quickly is that there's a million and one little moments. And obviously as much as we busted on William Byron Hillman in the course of this episode, he did create a film that has a million and one delights and you can't take that away from him.
01:25:46
Speaker
One little delight that I just want to point out was my favorite line, Gary Busey just looking up at Sweeney and saying, what do I do now that I'm Quigley? It's like, boy, there's the rub, isn't it?
01:26:00
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ah But my Batty Award goes to a worst birthday ever to Dexter, who can't find his dead boss's virtual reality CD-ROM on what he claims is his 30th birthday, even though Curtis Armstrong was 50 years old when this was filmed.
01:26:15
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Hilarious. He's had a rough 30 years. Yeah, that's that's ah tough that's a tough one. It's a beautiful head of curls. Yes. It's true. And piercing green eyes that no one can take away from him.
01:26:28
Speaker
Yeah. Sarah, thank you so much for bringing such a wonderful film to us Yes, thank you.
Guest's Projects and Future Plans
01:26:34
Speaker
No problem. I didn't even know I wanted watch it, but now I know that I did.
01:26:40
Speaker
We're all richer for it. Tell the listeners what you've been up to. I know you've always got a lot going on and people should, you are genuinely one of my favorite active comics creators. What have you been working on?
01:26:51
Speaker
um Well, I told you I built that bench. Yes. You've built a beautiful bench too. yeah i showed both of these guys a bench that I built in the corner of my room. It's my first woodworking project and you can fully sit on it and nothing bad will happen to the bench or to you.
01:27:11
Speaker
Goddamn. Been going pretty hard on that. And I have a new comic coming out at ah s SPX, which is the small press expo nice in Maryland.
01:27:21
Speaker
And it'll be in print form there. And also I'm serializing it online. Nice. And where should people follow you if they want to find your stuff? Well, they can follow me on Instagram or Blue Sky.
01:27:39
Speaker
should i Should I be like spelling out like handles here? Is that going to stick with me? We can put it in the show notes. Listeners, check the show notes. Yeah. And just I'll message you for those later.
01:27:51
Speaker
Make sure we got to everything in there right. Yeah. Cool. Well, thank you so much. You've got to come back, Sarah, especially if you're throwing heaters like Quigley. Yeah. Oh, my pleasure. I am also committed to watching Quigley Down Under. And if it hits, which now, well, now my expectations are sky high.
01:28:09
Speaker
You know, like Quigley was, I, you know, it turned out to be a unique happy surprise, but I think Quigley Down Under is like, has kind of a harder job because now I think it's going really good.
01:28:21
Speaker
Yeah. Big shoes to fill for Quigley Down Under. Oh yeah. Well, listeners, if you want to come watch Quigley with us, come join the discord.
01:28:31
Speaker
We're watching movies there every month. The week that this episode comes out will probably be the week that we have this scheduled. It's always a lot of fun. And you can find us on Instagram and blue sky, and you've got links to that through our show notes.
Community Engagement and Next Episode Teaser
01:28:46
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Also, while you're here, why don't just give us a quick five stars, Sarah, if you listen to yourself on this episode, give yourself five stars.
01:28:57
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I will. Yes. We've done It's working again. Slam dunk for my new strategy. Listeners, see how easy it is. You could give us that five stars too.
01:29:11
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You could tell a friend about the show. You could, you know, share us to your timeline. You could hit a follow, whatever you could do, anything that you do. We love it. And it helps us out so much. And it raises our spirits sky high.
01:29:24
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We absolutely love it. And we would love it if you came back next week when we'll be joined by and latest addition to the three timers club, Mr. Matt Finnegan.
01:29:35
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And we're going to be talking about screamers. You don't want to miss that. And until next week, be good. Goodbye.
01:29:46
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Goodbye. Goodbye.
01:29:50
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He can climb the highest mountain, swim the deepest sea, cross the widest valley, he's friends of you and me. He is something special, riding up our days.
01:30:04
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I wonder where he came from, maybe heaven's where he stays.
01:30:24
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One more chance. One last.