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Episode 68: The Devil's Advocate featuring Yennaedo Balloo
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Yennaedo Balloo, host of the DnD Versus podcast, has the crew revisiting a cable staple, The Devil’s Advocate (1997). This faustian horror has Keaunu Reeves as a lawyer taken under the wing of Al Pacino’s Devil, all while ignoring his wife, Charlize Theron, who’s having her own set of problems. Often gory and intense, too long, and full of scenery chewing it’s obviously gotten high ratings from the entire panel. Spoiler Alert, everyone will attempt a Pacino Impression, so tune in!
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Transcript
Introduction and Host Intros
00:00:16
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Bad to be bad, it's bad to be bad, and I guess it's understood that you would if you could, and you know that you should, yes you know that you should be good.
00:00:40
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Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to your favorite bad movie podcast. It's the only podcast that's brave enough to ask the question, if this movie's so bad, why do you like it so much?
00:00:54
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We're your hosts. I'm obviously working as the audience's advocate. It's me, Chris Anderson. And with me, as always, I have my ah near constantly in an emotional health crisis wife, Anna Anderson.
00:01:13
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Wow.
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and Look. Hi. Hi, everyone. You're doing much better than poor Mary. I'm doing great, yeah. You're doing great.
00:01:29
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And, of course, we have someone who can only be described as the Eddie Barzoon of the show, Mr. Greg Bossy. Okay, all right. I'll take it, I guess.
00:01:43
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In your heart, you're Barzoon. Sure, sure. And, of course, we have the one, you wouldn't say that he pulled the strings, or at least he wouldn't. But of course, he is ah a seasoned Dungeon Master and a host of the podcast, D&D Versus, our own personal John Milton, Yannato Baloo. How are you doing, Baloo?
00:02:04
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I am doing great. I'm so excited that I'm about to ruin everybody's vibe with this movie, but God, what an endgame. Yeah, yeah, you chose this week's movie, and you chose...
Introducing 'The Devil's Advocate'
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The Devil's Advocate. Listeners, if you have not seen The Devil's Advocate, well, I feel like you're probably not between the ages of 35 and 50. But ah but here's a brief description of the plot to hold in your mind.
00:02:43
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An up-and-coming small-town lawyer gets hired by a big city law firm only to learn that the senior partner is Old Scratch himself.
00:02:53
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The devil.
00:02:57
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Yeah, absolutely. ah that's If you saw that in the TV guide, you'd be like, yeah, that's the devil's advocate. Yeah, I mean, that's technically technically spoilers, but it is did come out 28 years ago. so i also feel like that's also what the selling point is. so yeah like Yeah, it's not a surprise, really. Yeah, yeah the the poster is the spoiler.
00:03:21
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you know The title is the spoiler. It's a hell of a 90s premise movie. What if you got hired to a law firm and the law firm is run by the devil? yeah Then let's add in the extra tagline, also the devil's your daddy. I'm sorry, how do you handle spoilers here?
00:03:36
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Oh, we spoil. We're going to have to at this point. yeah Now, why did you choose Devil's Advocate, Baloo? You got to tell me.
Keanu Reeves' Performance Debate
00:03:46
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All right. So this movie gets a lot of flack because we've been talking about Keanu Reeves a lot and the Keanu Reeves-a-songs, or I guess the like second renaissance that Keanu Reeves has had over the course of his life. He's reinvented himself countless times.
00:03:59
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Yeah, and anytime we have these conversations about Keanu, especially over the last few years, Devil's Advocate gets brought up as like a weird bump. of like, oh, but he can't act. You know, you have the same debate with Keanu that you do with a lot of other really talented and passionate actors like Nicolas Cage is the easy thought.
00:04:18
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And I think it always happens with actors that really show up and take chances and don't phone it in. So they take swings and sometimes those swings don't really hit the way people expect them to.
00:04:31
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And I think devil's advocate is just, you know, overall, I love Keanu in this role. I am ah i am here to defend Keanu's accent in this role. Do not. like think dragon You don't have to defend it to me. i'm I'll be sitting on with the defense on this one.
00:04:48
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Well, I'm going to state my case for that. I'm just going to preview that take right out the gate. Okay, I'm excited. But also, it's a left swing for him because it's the first time we've really seen Keanu come out the gate playing just a thorough, complete, top-to-bottom piece of shit.
00:05:06
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Yeah. true You could say what you want about John Wick. I mean, John Wick's a killer, but at least within his world and his code of ethics, he's actually just an anti-hero. But, like... Keanu Reeves, I mean, do we want to dive into the plot and scenes? Because, I mean, that first scene... Oh, we'll get to the plot. Trust me, there's there's plenty of time for plot.
00:05:24
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Don't you worry. Do you remember how you first encountered Devil's Advocate?
First Viewing Experiences
00:05:28
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Oh, it is called the Turner Network Television Channel. The TV. This was a mainstay.
00:05:37
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Yeah, this was a mainstay of like that Saturday afternoon, 2 p.m. block, like maybe a year or two after it came out. And so I think it's testament to the fact that early teenage years, Baloo got into this movie without the nudity first. absolutely.
00:05:53
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And then when it wasn't showing on TNT on certain Saturday afternoons, I would actually go to Blockbuster Video with the laminated membership card just to really take us back in time.
00:06:04
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Buy myself a thing of cookie dough candy and rent this movie to watch it. You are a cookie dough man. I've never seen anyone buy the cookie dough. I've never tasted the cookie dough. i feel like i'm learning a lot.
00:06:17
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You went to Blockbuster Video and would always notice that there was one space on the cookie dough rack where the cookie dough was gone. Some random person taking it. I was that guy. Yeah, I guess so. It had to be somebody.
00:06:28
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I remember seeing this one in the theater in high school and with a couple of my friends and really like thinking it was really fun i was really i had like an anger at god in high school sure this really was like so i thought this was cool in that sense you know like it wasn't my whole thing but it was lurking in the background and so that made it really like fun. And obviously al Pacino is just chewing the scenery so much that you can't help, but get drawn in, you know?
00:07:05
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And I never really thought much about Keanu Reeves as an actor at the time. He was just like, Oh, that's Keanu Reeves. He's in the movie. That's that's Keanu Reeves is in the movie. That's who they cast. He's the guy in the movie, you know? And so without sort of a larger opinion on him at the time, i certainly had no complaints about it watching it this time.
00:07:26
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I think his performance was actually quite solid. I think he turns in quite a couple of really good scenes and has some really good chemistry with Charlize Theron. And ah yeah.
00:07:39
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What about you, Anna? When did you first encounter the devil's advocate? Well, I just went to look up when it came out. And it did it came out the month of my 18th birthday, which was a period of my life when I went to see a lot of movies.
00:07:57
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So it's possible I did see this in the theater for the first time. um But if I didn't see it the theater, i would have rented it ah pretty soon after it came out and also watched it.
00:08:10
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Multiple times on TNT. um Yeah, so I've seen this a bunch of times. The the most recent time before um we watched it for this podcast was actually a um Oh, a remote watch with ah frequent guest Stefan Nunes.
00:08:36
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And I think it was one of two picks, the other one being Twilight, where at a certain point it was just her and me left watching the movie.
00:08:47
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Everybody else was like, well, this isn't kind of my vibe. I ah just kind of drifted off. That's fair. Is that like a fantasy toxic relationship double feature?
00:09:00
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Like I'm not too familiar with Twilight.
00:09:06
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How about you, Greg? What's your background with old devil's advocate? ah So I saw this, I think it was shortly after it came out on video, whenever it was in still in the new release section, which, you know, remains there for a while.
00:09:19
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ah Just killing like an afternoon with a friend at my house with like, family members there and we were like watching a movie for some reason at like four or five in the afternoon. I don't remember why, but he wanted to rent devil's advocate. And I was like, yeah, it sounds good to me.
00:09:34
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and I remember really enjoying it. I was a very, I grew up in a pretty religious family. So was kind of shocking that nobody walked by and was like, what the hell are you watching? You know, not that they would say hell actually, Um, but like, uh, so like these kinds of stories were kind of in the house. So was really drawn to that ah lot.
00:09:54
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And also like Faustian stories, I just still enjoy. So at the time I was loving it, very excited to see it again here to reassess it in adulthood. Cause I've only seen it that one time cause we did not have cable.
00:10:06
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So I just remember liking it. All that I remembered, this was
Awkward Movie Moments
00:10:10
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interesting. All that I remembered was the orgy sculpture at the end of the movie. It's a very striking image. Yes. But then like, as I was getting ready to watch this movie, was like walking into another room and I was like, the ending. ah Because like some of it came lurching back, but it turned out that when I watched the ending, not all of it came back. So I was still like double surprised while watching this one, which was a good time.
00:10:33
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I feel like this movie has strong getting walked in on at the wrong time energy too, which is like, there's so many scenes. Yeah. Where you'd like, no, no, it's not what you think. Uh, yeah, it kind of is, but that not in the way that you think it is.
00:10:49
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Yeah. It gets kind of graphic. it Yeah. Often actually. It doesn't pull any punches. No. I'll give it
Film Release and Direction
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that. Well, do you guys want to hear about the context research that I got here?
00:11:00
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Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:15
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I wish had some context About the background of the film Script director, actors on set What was going on on screen? I wanna hear some details Gossip scandal, all that shit Can't imagine all the time
00:11:44
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So The Devil's Advocate came out on October 17th, 1997. It was directed by Taylor Hackford. It's got ah one, two, three, four, five taglines.
00:11:56
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First one. Okay. Don't trust the devil. sure? Probably good advice. That's really good advice. Yeah. When the devil comes to talk to me, as soon as I figure out he's a devil, I'm saying, you know what? We're done. We're done.
00:12:11
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Yeah. let me let me just ah Let me just cross check that. let me yeah let me hit Let me hit Google Gemini with a little fact check. Yeah, yeah. no and I'm just going to bid you good day, sir.
00:12:24
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Let's not waste each other's time anymore. ah Tagline number two. ah The newest attorney at the world's most powerful law firm has never lost a case, but he's about to lose his soul.
00:12:41
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Okay. A little wordy, but that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah Yeah. I like it. I like a wordy one every now and then. Number three. Evil has its winning ways.
00:12:55
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I don't know. I'm very torn on that one in a strange way. It feels a little generic. Yeah. right. Number four. Speak of the devil.
00:13:08
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That's a hard pass. That's a hard pass. That's a really bad one. Last one. Devil begins and wins. What? What?
00:13:20
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It's apparently a quote. That's a line from the film. oh okay. I don't remember that line. Maybe it's, uh, it's one of the many things that Al Pacino babbles in the last 15 minutes of the film.
00:13:33
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Devil! Devil! begins and wins ah you know somewhere something like that just a chorus of great al pacinos on that one that was fantastic yeah yeah i'm i'm having right now we don't have very many excuses to throw out pacinos listeners if you get tired of it another episode's coming down the pike taylor the hack hackford is probably not anyone's favorite director and His three most popular films, The Devil's Advocate, An Officer, and A Gentleman, and Ray, are all competently made, respectable movies that nobody talks about, nobody likes that much, nobody thinks they're that great.
00:14:15
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His less popular films have been almost entirely memory-hold.
From Book to Film Adaptation
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I don't think in my entire life I've met a big fan of Proof of Life or Dolores Claiborne.
00:14:28
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I remember Dolores Claymore. Dolores Claymore is pretty good. i remember it coming out. Pretty good or good? I mean, it's a good Stephen King adaptation. Kathy Bates is good.
00:14:40
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i don't remember. ah that's that's I remember enjoying it. And I will say he's also he did Blood In, Blood Out as well, which I think has its defenders. But I don't think he's anybody's favorite.
00:14:54
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I think that's fair to say. This is not to say that Taylor Hackford is a bad guy or even a bad director. Far from it. I just don't think anybody's out there being like, oh, shit, there's a new Taylor Hackford movie coming out.
00:15:07
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No. Now, this is not to disparage Taylor Hackford. ah Here are some nice things about Taylor Hackford. First up, he served in the Peace Corps after graduating from the University of Southern California, doing his tour in Bolivia.
00:15:24
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Second, he has been married to Helen Mirren since 1997. That seems crazy to me. Suspicious timing, I have to say. Yeah, the concurrence is really something.
00:15:39
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Yeah, good point. Third, he's a union man. He served two terms as president of the Directors Guild of America from 2009 to 2013. Hmm.
00:15:52
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He also won an Academy Award for his short film Teenage Father. Wow.
00:16:02
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Just quietly living a great life while we... Yeah. I cannot slag off Taylor Hackford too much as ah as a man, as a person, as an artist.
00:16:12
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I'm just saying he's nobody's favorite. all. That's fair. That's fair. Now, ah The Devil's Advocate itself began its life as a novel written by Andrew Niederman in 1990. Niederman got his start as a ghostwriter for V.C. Andrews, which I think explains some of the scenery chewing in this.
00:16:33
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Yeah. They have a shared dna um uh the devil's advocate is his most famous work uh he also he wrote the novel pin that the movie pin is based on has anybody seen pin no pin is wild man okay we gotta we gotta watch pin i don't want to spoil the twist it stars terry o'quinn then oh It's about a life model, ah like a living see-through man, or like a model of a see-through man.
00:17:10
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Oh. I don't want to give up too much more than that. have seen that with Theo at some point. You might have. I might have to pop that on the Discord one of these days, just says like a casual Wednesday something.
00:17:23
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Anyway, Wednesday. Now, ah that the novel did not include the part, ah the the Devil's Advocate novel. It did not include the part where the devil is Kevin Lomax's father.
00:17:36
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That was added by screenwriters after Warner Brothers optioned the film rights. I was wondering about that, actually. Yeah, it was originally just about a lawyer who goes to work for the devil. Yeah.
00:17:48
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ah Now, the initial plan was to have Joel Schumacher direct. Hmm. Boy, want to talk about that. i mean, I liked a time to kill. I think he could do courtroom stuff.
00:18:01
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Oh yeah. You know, I think it would lean to his strengths. We also, do you have, cause I did some research on this because I wanted to talk about this as sort of a alternate universe version of this movie to kind of set the bar for what we really think about this movie.
Casting and Production Challenges
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Joel Schumacher was originally going to direct it with Brad Pitt as Kevin Lomax. Oh, And I think Pitt would also work in this role, but maybe not Pitt at that age, because they were doing it around the early And I think he hadn't found his footing yet. I think you need a post-7 Brad Pitt. Wouldn't did 7 come out?
00:18:39
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oh I will look it up. I want to say I was still in high school. 1995. Okay, so this is post-Seven. So i i I feel like he might have been able to do it in all honesty, because Seven was what I was thinking of.
00:18:53
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And also kind of the turn in 12 Monkeys is pretty wild. That's true. Yeah. He could have made, that would have been interesting, I think. And they were looking at Pacino at that time, but at that time it was, they were thinking about it being more effects driven.
00:19:08
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And no ah so maybe he wasn't really interested in being the devil in a special effects movie directed by Joel Schumacher. But then also they apparently, they backed up about a truck of money to his house for this one.
00:19:21
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Keanu allegedly took a pay cut so Pacino's salary demands could be met. And they also rewrote the script, I think, a bunch of times to dial back the special effects, which even the special effects as they exist are a major linchpin in whether this movie is good or not. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:42
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Yeah. I think dialing back the special effects was a smart play. Now, that initial plan with Joel Schumacher and Brad Pitt, that fell through. Until ah the O.J. Simpson verdict made all of America stand up and say, lawyers are evil.
00:19:58
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And Warner Brothers responded, then boy, do we have a movie for you. Wow. Wow, is that? Okay, that makes a lot of sense. Sure does. That makes a lot of sense. Sure does.
00:20:12
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Yeah. I was like, what does this movie really thinks that criminal defense lawyers are are uniformly evil and like should not exist.
00:20:24
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And it's just a very odd stance. Yeah. yeah Not one innocent person gets defended in any of like the five different court scenes that we have in this entire movie.
00:20:37
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Yeah. Now, they brought on Hackford, and they brought on Reeves, and they redoubled their attempts to cast Pacino. They had asked him back when Schumacher was on, we covered all this, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:20:51
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Oh, one thing that I did see was that when Pacino found out that a Keanu gave up some of his salary, he took the part that Keanu had given him, and he gave that to Charity.
00:21:04
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Oh, that's nice. I mean, he could have just given it back to Keanu, but still, you know, nice enough. ah The filming went smoothly overall.
00:21:16
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ah Pacino and Hackard butted heads a little bit, though not so much that they couldn't deny it all later and walk away, you know, with no hard feelings. Charlize Theron briefly got deported back to South Africa during production due to not having her papers in order.
00:21:33
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Oh, no. Yep. She was a temporarily there illegally. I imagine her visa ran out or something. Yep. Warner brothers got sued for allegedly ripping off a sculpture by the artist Frederick Hart for the large moving sculpture in John Milton's apartment.
00:21:51
Speaker
That is part of the national cathedral, I believe. And it's part of an Episcopal church. They ended up settling this out of court. And I think they had to stamp like some of the VHS copies with like a sticker that said has no reference to the John Hart artwork or something like this. Really? Which is really interesting to me.
00:22:13
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Yeah. It's funny how the law works, isn't it? Yeah. When it does. Art imitates life. Am I right? Other than these few little hiccups, everything ah appears to have gone
Box Office and Critical Reception
00:22:27
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well. The Devil's Advocate went on to make $153 million dollars at the box office on its $57 million dollars budget.
00:22:34
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And the critical consensus was that it was trashy fun. Al Pacino finally got a coveted MTV Movie Award nomination for Best Villain, ah but ultimately lost to Mike Myers' Dr. Evil.
00:22:48
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ah just like just like the academy just like the academy you look back on these things and he never got nominated again it's a shame yeah other horror movies of 1997 i grouped this in with horror yeah And I think it is. I think it fits in that genre, even if it's not a ah murder horror, you know.
00:23:11
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and like If this was made 25 years earlier, you'd think of this clearly as a 70s horror film. Yeah, it feels a little like The Exorcist, which is certainly a horror movie. Yeah.
00:23:22
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ah But other other ones that came out that year, I Know What You Did Last Summer. Great movie. Relevant. Remake is back in the theaters, baby. Reboot, whatever it is.
00:23:34
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ah Event Horizon. My favorite 1990s horror movie. It's a great movie. Yeah. You got Scream 2. Never saw it. Also great.
00:23:46
Speaker
Yeah, it's pretty good. Okay. I'll put it on the list. ah You got Wishmaster, which seems like it ought to be a pre-Scream movie. It's weird that it came out the same year as Scream 2.
00:23:57
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Yeah.
00:24:00
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You got Anaconda. Classic. Classic. You got Jack Frost, not the Michael Keaton, the other one. Right.
00:24:12
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And you got, obviously, the cult classic of the year, Cube. Yes. The movie where they're in the cube.
00:24:24
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how are we going to get out of this cube? You guys want to hear about the plot of The Devil's Advocate?
Plot Summary and Key Scenes
00:24:29
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Yeah. Yes. Yeah. How was that?
00:24:51
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Plot bumper, listen to me. I'm gonna give you the plot summary. Come on, baby. Here's the synopsis.
00:25:04
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Plot bumper, plot bumper.
00:25:17
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So we open on a criminal trial of an alleged kid-toucher. On the stand is the victim, played by Heather Matarazzo from Welcome to the Dollhouse.
00:25:29
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As the prosecution questions her, star defense attorney Kevin Lomax notices that his client is jacking off in the middle of her testimony. It's very disturbing. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:41
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Really bold way. Bold way to begin. Zero to 60 on this one. Yeah. I would say like zero to 110 really. Like.
00:25:52
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Yeah. Full speed ahead.
00:25:55
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Lomax asks for a recess, understandably, so that he can get his mind right after what he just saw before he starts discrediting this victim. So he splashes a little water on his face.
00:26:09
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It's like, a well, got to do what you got to do, man. You got to get out there and win. That's your job. And then he goes back to the courtroom and starts tearing Heather Matarazzo a new asshole.
00:26:23
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He very quickly wins the case. I also i love him being like looking at a piece of paper. He's Did you ever call Mr. Gibson a big fat pig? he must eat a thousand pancakes.
00:26:38
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Did you say that? And it's just hilarious to me that it's just like, listen here, little child, little victim. Did you ever call this man a piggy? It's so strange.
00:26:52
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I mean, this scene is just so specifically engineered to like lull you into what i don't know a half century of movie making in America has trained us to believe that our protagonist lawyer is the hero. Right. He's going to pull a really slick move and you almost find yourself like rooting for him until you see the tears in Heather's eyes and you're just like, oh, my God, he's a piece of shit.
00:27:16
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Yeah, he is a complete piece of shit. And then the way the scene gets capped off after all of this, where he just looks like there's a moment where Keanu just looks like the emptiest person in the world.
00:27:29
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And then what happens? His wife says, let's go get a drink. yeah And the wife played by the inimitable Charlize Theron. What do you guys think of Charlize and Keanu in this movie?
00:27:44
Speaker
Let's get this out of the way. Let's give some performance reviews now that we've met our two leadies. I think they're great together. agree. think they have so much chemistry. Yeah, absolutely. I think Keanu Reeves has chemistry with everybody and everything.
00:27:59
Speaker
He's just a very – he must be a very giving actor to to work with because he seems to ah have chemistry with his scene partners. But this one in particular, there's like – in this early scene where they're getting drunk. They're like dancing together and like, he you know, goes, goes down and bites her butt.
00:28:22
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And it's so cute. It's so cute and sexy. and It feels very natural. Like watching it, it's just like, oh, these guys, like, you know, you're like, you feel like they're a good couple.
00:28:33
Speaker
Yeah. Like it's great that they found each other. I mean, not to be the gooey romantic, but I think that, like having that kind of romantic chemistry is one thing, but then the other scenes where they're so comfortable together in quiet ways, yeah really speaks to the fact that this is a lived in relationship. And the one moment that really caught me on that, this viewing is a later scene where Keanu comes back to the hotel room and she's just chilling out in like booty shorts and like a tank top.
00:29:02
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And it's the way that she like moves and is willing to sit and hunch over and then like crawl across the floor just in like a really childish kind of way that just kind of like there is this physical comfort that they have with each other that we're getting to see on film that typically you do not get to see behind closed doors of a couple, you know, like.
00:29:22
Speaker
Well, now as the two of them dance the night away, Kevin is approached by a lawyer from a big New York City law firm who offers him a sizable check to come work as a jury consultant.
00:29:35
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Kevin swings by his mama's church to kiss her goodbye, and then he and Mary Ann are off to the big city. Kevin slam dunks the jury selection with his keen insight, making a fool out of the lead prosecutors played by the guy from Spaceballs.
00:29:51
Speaker
he's It's a real sherlocks home Sherlock Holmes moment. He's like, did you see his shoes? He's like, what are you talking about? He's like, his shoes mean this. And and it's really nice.
00:30:02
Speaker
Very nice. Yeah. He gets to be the noticer for a scene. And that's how you get to be like, he's good. Oh, yeah. noticed He knows what he's doing. He's good. This guy's good.
00:30:16
Speaker
ah His keen insight does indeed pay off. And soon Kevin is bragging to Marianne that he won the case. Jury is only out for 38 minutes.
00:30:27
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Soon, he's getting his tour of the firm's office. And it looks little it looks like it's from Dune. Yes. It's a brute and has like lots of fireplaces, which is weird for an office.
00:30:44
Speaker
I mean, considering the kind of like war territories and like, you know, problem zones that they're representing, you know, Arrakis is probably on the list. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Yeah. That would make sense. Also a lot of bare concrete, which you don't typically see anymore.
00:31:00
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No, I like it. I do too, but it's just very funny to be like, we're mostly concrete inside. It's like, oh wow, that's a strong choice. I feel like the acoustics in there would be maddening though.
00:31:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It'd be so hard to have a phone conversation. Everything's slapping around on all those walls. They need some baffling. Anyway, uh, he learns that they don't just represent criminals or even corporations, but they also represent several evil countries from evil parts of the world.
00:31:32
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Yeah. Uh, He also learns that there's a hot redhead that works there, and her name is Christabella. She's played by Connie Nielsen. Then he gets to meet the big dog, John Milton, the head of the firm, also the devil, played by Mr. Al Pacino.
00:31:52
Speaker
So now's the part of the show where we talk about Al Pacino. Yeah. How do you guys feel about Al Pacino in this movie? He looks like he's having so much fun. I think he's hands down fantastic.
00:32:05
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, i I want to address the common take out there that Al Pacino is just over the top and he's just too much and everything. No, this first scene is just such a perfect example of subtlety in him earning those bigger moments later on.
00:32:21
Speaker
i agree. Yeah, I love seeing actors of his caliber, his pedigree, getting to have fun with a role. And he is clearly just in his bag right now. And the script has so much meaty dialogue for him.
00:32:36
Speaker
You know, he really, they, they serve up a meal for him in what's written that really lets him swing for the fences. You know, you can't be too big when you're playing the devil in this movie.
00:32:47
Speaker
But he also gets to have lots of quiet moments and lots of yeah subtle glances. Like all of his reaction shots are always really good where you just see the face that he's making to something going on.
00:32:59
Speaker
It's always so it draws you further in. You know, he's so charming in this movie. ah First time we see him, it's just him watching Keanu Reeves like between two pillars.
00:33:10
Speaker
Yeah. And then he just walks away. And like, that's the, as an introduction for a character that we learn is the devil is such a fun, subtle, nice, just like here he is not doing anything yet.
00:33:23
Speaker
Nothing else. We're putting the cheese out. We're setting the trap really nice. And he keeps being quiet. Like I really loved, as you mentioned, like a lot of scenes that are done in whispers, which is just really nice.
00:33:37
Speaker
Really nice. Yeah. And I mean, we'll have to talk about, Tony Gilroy in this screenplay and the fact that he, like most actors would love like one monologue, like what Pacino gets to just tear down the house with.
00:33:48
Speaker
He gives Pacino three all-timer monologues. that like i quote endlessly in my personal life and he gives keanu a couple of good monologues to chill on too here and there and it's very easy to think of that final scene between the two of them as a monologue but keanu's putting a lot into there too yeah but i do think of it as a monologue Yeah.
00:34:14
Speaker
But Keanu gets that one really good line. like I think my favorite line in the movie was like, I'm a lawyer. That's what I do. i win. yeah And the fact that Pacino escalating him all the way up to that point is just such perfect playing off of each other and Pacino knowing where the character is and where his goal is in that scene.
00:34:36
Speaker
And once he achieves that goal of making Keanu erupt like that, he just goes right back down instantly. He's just like, I rest my case. so yeah that's just such a perfect beat how about you my dove what were your Pacino thoughts oh um I mean I'm nodding along with with everybody I actually wish he had gone over the top a little earlier but that's just I think because the movie is too long yeah is too long it is too that's true
00:35:13
Speaker
Well, then I guess we better get back to the plot. and and and So the two of them, Milton and Kevin, they head out to Milton's office balcony with the infinity pool and they talk shop before Milton convinces Kevin to join the firm.
00:35:30
Speaker
and Just out of curiosity, did the did the infinity pool look like it was CGI or like inserted to anybody else? I felt like all the rooftop scenes looked like it was like green and screen work. Okay.
00:35:41
Speaker
It seems very weird. It was a stage that was built above another office. Oh, okay. Okay. okay
00:35:51
Speaker
Now, ah the next thing we know, the Lomaxes are moving into a luxury apartment on Central Park in a building that's owned by John
Character Development and Themes
00:36:01
Speaker
Milton. It's beautiful. And Marianne is even talking about having a baby.
00:36:05
Speaker
Every now and then she'll talk about a baby. Gotta have a baby. Well, all right we'll see, baby. this ties directly into one of my favorite ah undersold elements of the film, uh, to Maratuni who plays the neighbor slash kind of friend of Mary, yeah who is just such a perfect.
00:36:26
Speaker
Scalpel of a foil for everything. Marianne goes through. i mean, she lays out Marianne's arc for us when she says you have three choices. You can work. You can play.
00:36:38
Speaker
and you could breed. And it's like, Marianne tries to do all of those things. And ultimately just, you know, that's her downfall that she tries to conform to this idea of what they expect her to be and what she thinks they want her to be.
00:36:51
Speaker
yeah What she actually needs to do is get out. Yeah. And Tamara's acting in that first scene where they're touring the apartment is just such a beautifully balanced like, oh, I'm so jealous of you.
00:37:04
Speaker
You I have exactly what you have and more, but I'm still jealous of you. Because you got it faster than we did. Because you're getting it with more accolades and more applause. You can just see the jealousy perfectly hidden.
00:37:18
Speaker
You're getting it while you're in your 20s. yeah I had to wait until I was 40 to get it. Yeah. ah And yeah, she is fantastic in these scenes. Let's see.
00:37:31
Speaker
and Oh, yeah. ah Kevin soon meets with the board of directors, my personal favorite, Maritime Law, and then gets assigned his first case.
00:37:42
Speaker
He'll be defending one Philippe Moyes, played by Delroy Lindo, uncredited for some reason. That's strange. Yeah. He was arrested for ritualistically slaughtering a goat in his basement.
00:37:56
Speaker
While Kevin works on the case, Marianne becomes more isolated and starts to fall in with a bad crowd, the other lawyer wives. Kevin defends the goat slaughter on religious grounds, comparing it to kosher butchery.
00:38:10
Speaker
And along with a little curse on the prosecutor, courtesy of Monsieur Moyes. Oh, that was the coughing. With his tongue. Yeah. So now he was just he was worshipping the devil.
00:38:26
Speaker
I'm assuming... think he has ah the ability to make compacts with the devil. I think as a practitioner of voodoo, he can make deals with Loa. Ah.
00:38:37
Speaker
I mean, i i confess that I didn't look this up, but the specific thing he does to hex the ah DA is nail a cow tongue to a board, and and I will bet you dollars to donuts that that is...
00:38:56
Speaker
ah not an element of voodoo practice, but is, does appear in European witchcraft. Sure. and I'm more, what I meant is like, he was being, sure.
00:39:11
Speaker
He was being arrested because he was slaughtering a goat and he was slaughtering a goat because he was worshiping the devil. i mean, like you said, cause you said no one was innocent, but I think he technically is innocent. If worshiping the devil is not,
00:39:26
Speaker
illegal and i didn't think it was illegal yeah no i think i think kevin has a very strong case here i think this is very legit okay this is the one where think i feel like this one yeah he wins it on kosher at law like yeah yeah saying like you're protected as a religious practitioner to slaughter animals in a way right if it's your religious practice right um But yeah, I mean, Al Pacino's point in the closing monologue of that is like, I didn't tell you to go that way with it. You could have gone any number of ways with it, but you chose to put everybody, every religion in the same pool. Right.
00:40:03
Speaker
use that argument, you know, to let me in. It would have been nice if he, ah the devil at one point specified which denomination was true. That would have been fun.
00:40:15
Speaker
That would have been fun. Al Pacino just slipping in an inshallah or something like that. yeah Perfect. ah Now, Milton is very pleased with Kevin's performance.
00:40:27
Speaker
And the two of them talk shop and wander around Chinatown. Whenever the two of them are just hanging out and talking shop, these are some of the best. Love Love it. Love the walk and talk. Love it in any film. Love it in this film. Yeah.
00:40:40
Speaker
Just you get to so hang out with Al Pacino as the devil. And it's just fun. And they have a really great sense of using the city as an extra. I know the whole New York is a fifth character in a movie, blah, blah, blah type of thing. But like this movie is really conscious of like how the people of New York affect you as you move through it. But then they're also very conscious of like certain moments, knowing how to tighten in a shot and blur the city in the background, especially for Al Pacino when he's getting really into something deep with Kevin.
00:41:12
Speaker
You know, it's just really great control of just the setting and the scenery as it intrudes. So Chinatown in particular is just great. Yeah. And it's great that they use a lot of different neighborhoods, a lot of different locations across the city ah so that you really, you know, you don't get stuck in this like one park slope neighborhood we're over just in Times Square or whatever. We're all around Washington Square.
00:41:34
Speaker
You know, you really get to feel like you're moving around. Especially since like the apartment is right by Central Park, they could have filmed everything there, you know, but they went around the city. And I also love that he goes on the subway. It feels like a very like salt of the earth kind of character portrayal of the devil, which I find really fascinating.
00:41:51
Speaker
Yeah. He's a man of the people. One thing about this scene that I did not pick up on until this latest viewing is that al Pacino essentially insults Keanu at the end of the scene, where he's like talking about the chicken that never loses.
00:42:05
Speaker
And he brings up this chick and he talks to the guy about where to find the chicken and they don't go to see the chicken. And but he turns around and says, just like you never loses. And then he and then they run to the cell.
00:42:16
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like that to me reads as a burn. Yeah. He's always negging people. That's a big part of his strategy as the devil. Devil loves to neg.
00:42:29
Speaker
Now, that night, there's a big party at the apartment of the firm's managing partner, Mr. Eddie Barzun, played by convicted child pornographer Jeffrey Jones. Yeah, fuck that guy. o yeah Boo. Boo to that. yep Kevin and Marianne both roll up, but soon get separated.
00:42:48
Speaker
ah Milton shows up at the party and instantly starts zooming in on Marianne like a fucking homing missile and sits down on a couch with her and convinces her that she should cut her hair.
00:43:01
Speaker
I have a question. What do people think of her curly hair? Her hair is better before she changes it. Do you think it's canonically better?
00:43:13
Speaker
or do you think it's in your opinion better? I mean, in my opinion, better. Okay. Because I read someone saying that it's canonically better that the devil was trying to make her look fucked up. And it was like, really? That's stupid.
00:43:29
Speaker
No, he's just, he's just.
00:43:36
Speaker
no i have a I have a theory about this. I think what is happening is the other woman has the woman that he eventually wants Keanu Reeves to be with has red curly hair.
00:43:47
Speaker
And I think that's why Charlize Theron has red curly hair because I think she looks sort of weird in red curly hair. um yeah I think she probably does look better than the eventual look that she gets in the red curly hair because she also seems to be happy and it seems kind of natural looking.
00:44:03
Speaker
But I think the reason he convinces her to cut the hair is so that Keanu Reeves will keep looking at it because he's obviously attracted to a woman with red curly hair. so it's like, yeah, be attracted to your sister. Be attracted to your sister instead of instead of your wife.
00:44:20
Speaker
Uh, so I think, I think that was my theory on it, but I think like the first time you see her, I'm just like, what's with that hair? Well, mean, the first two times we see Christabella Connie Nielsen, she has her hair up in this extremely nineties, like Marge Simpson kind of like do.
00:44:40
Speaker
And then it begins to come down more and more to resemble Marianne's original hairdo as the movie goes on. Like when she appears for the elevator scene, which, I absolutely want to discuss that elevator scene when we get to it.
00:44:52
Speaker
um And, you know, the final scene where it's just down to her shoulders and, yeah you know, she's showing off. I will say I thought that her haircut was better, but that's mostly because when he tells her to, like, push her hair up, and he's like, oh, your neck is like a battlefield.
00:45:13
Speaker
A no man's land in the battle between high heart and mine yeah when i was a kid and i saw him say that like that's the coolest thing a dude has ever said and it's right and so it's like yeah obviously this looks better you can see her gorgeous neck um anyway uh oh i do want to address the accent thing here since we have christabella's introduction sure yes christabella and ah kevin hang out on a patio and they chat
00:45:46
Speaker
Yeah, so my take on Keanu's accent is that, yes, it is inconsistent, but that's actually part of the character. I think the accent is a cover for when he wants people to think he's a hoedown yokel, just come from cut from Florida.
00:46:00
Speaker
And he drops the accents in moments when he's being most truthful or most like directly confronted with something that has. I think he does a lot of code switching. Yeah, and I think there's a similar thing that happens with Christabella as little as we hear her speak throughout the movie.
00:46:16
Speaker
Her first two scenes, like this party and even when she's introduced at the partners meeting, she has such a thick Italian kind of accent. like curristola ammoan And then like by the end of the movie, she's just speaking like a New York Like, I think there's that code switching happening to where it's all a cover up until the moment of like raw realness.
00:46:37
Speaker
I like that. Yeah. I think when Keanu is like talking to Marianne, he has one sort of Southern Florida accent. And then when he's in front of a jury, he has a different sort of Southern Floridian accent.
00:46:52
Speaker
And when he's angry at his ah dad, he has a different Southern Floridian accent. But when he's in the boardroom, he has, you know, a more educated don't want to say educated, but classically northeastern.
00:47:06
Speaker
Like, I imagine he went to school in the northeast. I don't think went to UFL. The concept that, like, broadcasters are trying to sound like a particular like they're from a particular area of the United States is just sounds clearer and more intelligible.
00:47:20
Speaker
Yeah, that sort of vibe. Oh, hang on. We got a Donald Trump name drop in the party, too. that Oh, yeah, that was fun. There's a lot of Donald Trump about this. They also meet Senator Al D'Amato at the party.
00:47:32
Speaker
They show Senator Al D'Amato shaking hands with the devil. ah I got to feel like that name drop was them needling or like twisting the knife on Trump a little bit because they got to use his apartment, which we'll come back yeah to.
00:47:47
Speaker
he clearly wanted to be in this movie to some extent because they all said that he kept showing up on set to also to try to get in touch with Charlize, but like he kept offering to do like cameos and stuff like that. So when you not only don't give the guy a cameo, but then you name drop him specifically to say, Oh, he was supposed to be here.
00:48:05
Speaker
Like God, what a way to shit on him. Perfect.
00:48:12
Speaker
Uh, where was
00:48:15
Speaker
Uh, so, uh, John grabs Kevin and drags him up to the apartment. His apartment is on the top floor of the building. He's in the penthouse as well as he drags a couple of other lawyers up there with him. Barzun and this guy Heath.
00:48:30
Speaker
We find out that Milton's apartment is one large room with no bed, just a desk and a couch and a table. Where does he sleep? ah He doesn't sleep.
00:48:42
Speaker
Or who says he sleeps? Where does he fuck? EVERYWHERE!
00:48:52
Speaker
I knew we all wanted to do that one. So ah Milton drags yeah Kevin and the guys up to his apartment and tells them that ah the firm's wealthiest business client, Alexander Cullen, played against type by Mr. Craig T. Nelson of Coach, and he has just been arrested for triple homicide.
00:49:13
Speaker
His wife, his stepson, and a maid. And he'll soon be needing needing some very expensive criminal representation. Milton wants Kevin to take the job.
00:49:24
Speaker
To me, this seems like a job for a team of attorneys. I'm going to say you're going to want at least four guys. let's do Kevin's got it.
00:49:33
Speaker
He's a winner, Alex, just like you were. Yeah. If I were Alex, I'd be like, what's with the fucking past tense? Yeah, still looking at me winning. I mean, other than this murder situation I'm in.
00:49:47
Speaker
Now, eventually, Milton convinces everybody that Kevin should get the case. When Kevin goes back to his place, Marianne is pissed off about it, both that he ditched her at the party and that he'll now be spending even more time at work.
00:50:01
Speaker
Understandable. The next day, they stop by one of Cullen's construction sites to convince him to let young Kevin take the case. Meanwhile... While out shopping with evil lawyer wives, Marianne sees their faces morph into demons, which really freaks her out.
00:50:18
Speaker
She also sees hands run through the body of the woman, which is one of the weirdest pieces of CGI I've ever seen. It's like a hand run. like it. I do. I do like it, too, but it's like disturbing. And I don't feel like you see people use CGI in that way a lot. So it hats off.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah. A couple weird staging notes about this also is like before the changing room scene, she's like standing out in the street looking dazed and her other two friends like storm out of the store and say not if they were giving it away.
00:50:51
Speaker
And it's like, why was she just standing out there like a puppy, like while they were in the store deciding whether or not to stay?
00:51:00
Speaker
i You know, Marianne's really lost. She's adrift, the poor thing.
00:51:07
Speaker
Yeah, it really freaks her out. So what she tells Kevin about the demon faces, he tells her, you know, you're probably just having a weird day. You're probably just having a weird day.
00:51:21
Speaker
Anyway, let's make a baby. And then the two of them make love on the living room floor. But Kevin keeps hallucinating that she's Christabella, and this sort of ruins the mood.
00:51:33
Speaker
The next day, Kevin is at Cullen's apartment in this movie played by Donald J. Trump's apartment. It is filled with gold, and it is grotesque. Crazy. Crazy!
00:51:45
Speaker
crazy that this happens. Yeah.
00:51:51
Speaker
Now, we find out that Cullen is walking around with a gun, which Kevin takes from him. And then Kevin's mom comes for a visit. She meets Milton in the elevator and they have a weird vibe.
00:52:03
Speaker
There is also two very hot ladies in there. One of them is Christabella and one of them is ah another lawyer who they introduce, but we never see in any other scene. Giselle from Paris.
00:52:17
Speaker
That's Giselle from Paris. I don't think she's a lawyer. Well, yeah she I thought she was from the Paris office. She's from Paris.
00:52:29
Speaker
Yeah, I thought she was just a model, but maybe she maybe it was a deleted scene or something like that. um This elevator scene, when I watched it this time, there is just such great cutting with the looks being traded.
00:52:42
Speaker
And I did kind of want to bring this up the first time Christabella appeared, but do we think that Keanu Reeves has a history of being a philanderer in this movie? Like, because he immediately locks in on Christabella.
00:52:54
Speaker
And then there's the later scene where he's out late with Milton and Marianne is giving him like the third degree. And it almost feels like there has been a test or a break in their trust to a certain extent, which may also be why they are so attached at the hip in Florida.
00:53:09
Speaker
Um, I didn't get that vibe. Keanu gave me good, good boy vibes. Yeah. Especially with the amount of chemistry that he had with Charlize Theron.
00:53:20
Speaker
And I feel like he also, like New York is Babylon in this. This is where you face temptation. He wasn't facing temptation down in the godly country of Gainesville, Florida.
00:53:34
Speaker
And the the the sex scene where he keeps seeing Christabella, it seems like he's trying to shake it and he can't. like It's got a sort of supernatural power on him, so I took it to be kind of like that. like everyone is trying like She's wearing red in a law office where no one else is wearing red. like There's a reason why he's supposed to see her.
00:53:56
Speaker
And so that was the take that I took on her. It's an almost insatiable... him feeling it, people pushing him toward it, doing everything they can to tempt him in all of this. Oh, speaking of use of red.
00:54:08
Speaker
So that's another thing I wanted to point out is like, Ooh, very subtle, but little like beautiful thing is like the scene when he comes in from the party to the dark apartment, the hallway is red. Like he's coming in from that red.
00:54:20
Speaker
And then when he, Marianne like storms off, and slams the door on his face, the room that illuminates his silhouette from behind also lit red. Yeah. So he's just being locked out into this redness that he's losing himself into.
00:54:35
Speaker
no Another thing I really appreciate about the apartment on later viewing also is that they really use that living room as sort of like the intersection point where they encounter each other and continually split apart.
00:54:48
Speaker
Like we only see Keanu follow her into the apartment that one time after the party. But then after that, you know, we have the weird sex scene where Keanu just kind of like dies spiritually.
00:55:00
Speaker
But we only ever see him leaving the apartment in every scene after that. Like we never really see him going back into that space with her or we see him being pushed away from it. Right. All right. All right. We got to keep on crunching. Here we go. Sorry. Sorry. were No, no, no, no, no. no no Don't get me wrong.
00:55:17
Speaker
But here we go. ah So mom then flies back home to Florida. She doesn't feel comfortable there. The next day, Kevin gets dragged to an all night balcony all with prize fights, drinking and dancing.
00:55:31
Speaker
They meet Don King and it's all courtesy of Mr. John Milton. While he's out, Marianne has a dream that a small child steals her reproductive organs. Yep.
00:55:43
Speaker
The next day she tells Kevin that she has non-specific ovarian failure. She's clearly in the midst of an emotional crisis right now, but Kevin doesn't have time for this. He has to defend a wealthy murderer.
00:55:57
Speaker
but That's right. Forget my beautiful wife who's in pain. i need to make sure that someone that's murdered his entire family gets to go free. Even as a new tactic lined up, he has a new strategy.
00:56:10
Speaker
He's got an alibi witness. Cullen claims to have been fucking his secretary at the time of his wife's murder. Still, Milton tells him if he wants to quit and care for his wife, everyone will understand.
00:56:24
Speaker
Love this scene. yep Yeah, you gotta give him the out. ah That's the only way to make sure that he won't take it. ah Kevin says that he wants to bang out this trial of the century real quick first, and then he can worry about his dangerously unstable wife.
00:56:43
Speaker
The case starts off strong, and Kevin gives a blessedly brief opening statement about how his client may be human garbage, but he's not a murderer.
00:56:54
Speaker
The next day, he runs into Barzoom on the way to the office. Eddie Barzun tells him that he's getting too big for his britches before jogging into Central Park where he gets beaten to death by demonic hobos.
00:57:07
Speaker
Does Charlize Theron see it or she just freaking out simultaneously? They didn't make a very good eyeline between them. yeah Yeah, fourth story apartment because they live on the fourth floor.
00:57:19
Speaker
It's established on Fifth Avenue. You're not go to be able to see the reservoir from there. like You got a very good view, but you're not seeing the reservoir where he's running. Also, what a just visual way to establish to every New Yorker that this guy is a complete piece of shit. We already knew that.
00:57:34
Speaker
But like running the wrong way on the reservoir is just major New York profile. Yeah, this guy's got to get it together. Parzoon doesn't care about anybody. Well, now he doesn't care about anything because he's dead.
00:57:45
Speaker
But Kevin can't really deal with that because he's about to find out that his alibi witness doesn't know if Colin is even circumcised. So that means he's probably lying about the affair.
00:57:56
Speaker
I would have said, the stuff that we do doesn't involve his penis. And then that probably would have shut up Keanu Reeves pretty quick. He ends up ah calling her as a witness anyway, and he wins the case.
00:58:10
Speaker
Now he can finally focus up on his poor wife. Unfortunately, she's run off to a nearby church, completely nude and freaking out. ah She tells Kevin that she was seduced and then sexually assaulted by John Milton.
00:58:25
Speaker
And Kevin doesn't believe her because Milton was sitting right behind him in court all day. I want to tell a little story I read about this scene. Uh, apparently, Charlize Theron was sort of not super sure whether or not she wanted to do the full frontal nudity that's in the scene.
00:58:43
Speaker
She wasn't sure if she was comfortable with it, which is understandable. She's a young actress at a crossroads in her career. ah And at any point in your career, that's obviously of decision that you get to make.
00:58:54
Speaker
ah But her she talked to her mother about it, and her mother said something to the effect of like, you've never been afraid to perform the truth. And if this is like true to what's happening in the movie, then you shouldn't be afraid to do it. she's like, Oh, that's a good point.
00:59:09
Speaker
And then, uh, she was talking to, they shot this in, uh, I think it was a ah Presbyterian church. And, uh, she was talking to the priest who let them use the church who were in the church. Um,
00:59:22
Speaker
And he said that he really liked this. yeah The reason why he agreed to it and what he liked about the scene is that this woman is so distressed and just needs help and needs someone. And where does she go?
00:59:34
Speaker
She goes to church. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. You can come shoot this movie in my church. Yeah. You know, and I think, I think that's nice that the priest was able to see through to that message in this movie and have that level of media literacy.
00:59:49
Speaker
Yeah. Um, let's see now. Uh, so yeah, Kevin has her committed to a, uh, inpatient mental health care facility.
01:00:02
Speaker
Bad husband. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, then he goes off to a work funeral because, you know, Barzun's dead. There he sees Cullen idly stroking the back of his 14 year old stepdaughter and as realizes that he has freed another pedophile.
01:00:22
Speaker
Oops. I didn't realize that's who that was. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. that was the Even see Frank's face there momentarily. je know That I got that I got. I just thought it was just like I let another known criminal go. I didn't realize it was like I let another pedophile go specifically.
01:00:40
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, he runs out of the church, back to his wife's hospital, and he doesn't see that John Milton is there, and John Milton dips his finger in the holy water, causing it to boil.
Climactic Revelations
01:00:51
Speaker
This is the first like literal supernatural act that we have seen John Milton do in the movie, so now we're like, maybe John Milton's actually the devil.
01:01:03
Speaker
Kevin gets to the hospital just in time to see his wife stab herself in the throat with a shard of a broken mirror. Very graphic scene. not for the faint of heart uh on his way out uh his mom who has come back for some reason uh tells him that milton is his father what a twist pump pump um move over m night He then walks from the hospital through the vacant streets of New York City in one of the coolest shots in the movie.
01:01:35
Speaker
Yeah. You get to see this long. What what is that? Fifth Avenue over there. yeah It's like 57th Street, like going up Fifth Avenue or something like that. It's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. You never see New York empty and it's for blocks and and it's just so strikingly quiet.
01:01:51
Speaker
And all the previous street scenes that we've had in New York that have all the street noise. Yeah. Conditioned us to be blown away by this one shot. It's fantastic.
01:02:04
Speaker
So he walks over to Milton's apartment. There, Kevin tries to shoot Milton with Cullen's gun, and it doesn't work. And then Milton explains to Kevin that he is both the devil and his father.
01:02:17
Speaker
Boom. And yes, he also did have sex with his wife. ah That also happened.
01:02:24
Speaker
There's a very long scene where the devil very convincingly explains that God sucks, and that Kevin should have sex with Christabella, who is actually his half-sister, so that she can birth the Antichrist.
01:02:36
Speaker
Kevin appears to be on board. And just when he's about to penetrate his sister in front of his father, he instead shoots himself in the head. The devil is very upset.
01:02:49
Speaker
yeah And the next thing we know, Kevin is splashing water on his face in the bathroom of that same Florida courthouse we ran at the beginning of the film. Was it all a dream? really Does Kevin even remember?
01:03:03
Speaker
Or has he learned his lesson on some subconscious level? Somehow the course of history changes. And this time when he goes back into the courtroom, he immediately asked to be removed from the case.
01:03:17
Speaker
You will probably be disbarred. But then the reporter that he is friends with comes over and is like, hey, you're going to be famous. And Kevin's like, maybe I will be famous. And then the reporter morphs into the devil.
01:03:35
Speaker
And the devil is psyched to get another bite of the apple, which you can't do in the law. The end.
01:03:45
Speaker
What did you guys think of the devil's advocate? Well, let me start. I'll repeat ah what I said on Blue Sky about it, which is... But this isn't really a good movie.
01:03:59
Speaker
um i think yeah I think it's too long, and i think it takes us itself a little too seriously. while... okay... while but ok Piction is not endorsement. I get that. i've seen ah I've seen a lot of movies where women have a worse time. You know what I mean? Like, I'm a fan of ah the movie Possession. i like Repulsion.
01:04:28
Speaker
You know, i've I've enjoyed movies where women have ah bad times. But I don't think yeah this movie is good enough for Charlize Theron's character to have as extensive and as graphically bad a time as she has. Yeah.
01:04:43
Speaker
I agree. um So that ah pulls me away from from like totally, totally loving it.
01:04:55
Speaker
um But it's the kind of movie they don't make anymore. A mid-budget, middle-brow movie intended for adults...
01:05:06
Speaker
um with It has real locations and orchestral score and ah you know a sex scene with with brief nudity from our leads.
01:05:18
Speaker
um And and it's just it's it's interesting. you know ah it like i understand the various market forces why um movies like this aren't really made anymore, but ah it it it's kind of a shame.
01:05:36
Speaker
Yeah. yeah So in terms of watchability and weirdness, where did you name Oh, yes, yes. um Watchability, I would give this a about a four.
01:05:50
Speaker
um With, yeah, like what I said, ah you know, Charlize Theron does have such a such a bad time that that it's hard to watch.
01:06:01
Speaker
um ah As for weirdness... don't know that it's that weird, actually. i think probably because it pulled back from a lot of... It sounds like there were supposed to be a lot more special effects, and that might have made it weirder, or at last at least like with the passage of time, you know what I mean? The effects would have yeah would have dated. um but so I'll give it ah just right down the middle a two and a half for weird.
01:06:33
Speaker
Okay, fair enough. How about you, Greg? Where did you wind Yeah, so I'm kind of in agreement with Anna where um this is a really fun movie, I think.
01:06:43
Speaker
I think there's a lot of this that is a lot of fun to experience, but the things that aren't fun about it drag it down. It is too long, um which is wish they could have tightened it up.
01:06:56
Speaker
And I think kind of across the board... They made a movie that's fun, except that some of some of the acts that they depict on screen are truly deplorable.
01:07:09
Speaker
And they feel like are far too intense for the rest of the film. Like, what's fun about the movie is, like, I'll be like, I'm the devil, baby!
01:07:20
Speaker
Not watching a man literally stimulate himself to the confession of his own victim. Like that immediately when I saw that as an adult, I was like, I don't, I feel like this makes me feel really uncomfortable.
01:07:34
Speaker
And we could have got this point across without showing the man putting his hand in his pants and doing, you know, it's like we could, we could have been a little less intense about some of it. We didn't need to look at every one of the photos of every one of the victims that Craig T. Nelson killed. You know what I mean? We know he killed them.
01:07:54
Speaker
And so it feels like it's a little like kind of glorifying some of that in a way. I mean, like, take a look. It's like, I don't don't want to see that part of the movie. And so I think that's a little off putting, but like, it's a good time otherwise. And I'm expecting this kind of thing in a horror movie, just not, I don't expect true detective season one visuals in an Al Pacino choose the scenery film.
01:08:18
Speaker
Yeah. So for watchability, I'm going to give it three and a half. ah And weirdness. I don't think it's that weird at all. I think it's pretty standard for like a devil film. so I'm going to go one.
01:08:28
Speaker
I think it's not weird that much at all. Fair enough. Yeah, I landed pretty close to you guys. I gave it a three and a half. I think it's got a great sort of airport novel quality and for watchability.
01:08:39
Speaker
That is. I think there are lots of great performances to watch. I think there's a lot of really strong visuals in the film. i think it's very well made. it is definitely too long.
01:08:52
Speaker
You could cut out the entire Eddie Barzun plot. You could cut out half of the lawyer wives plot. And i think it would have worked just as effectively and probably would be a lot tighter.
01:09:05
Speaker
It feels a little chubby in the middle. uh for weirdness he also gave it one star thought it's pretty straightforward ah but it does happen to end with uh 10 to 15 minutes of one of the most charismatic and compelling actors of his generation laying out an argument to attack and dethrone god i think that's kind of weird that that happens in the movie yeah uh but uh other than that not too weird what about you baloo save the guest for last watchability and weirdness out of five stars
01:09:38
Speaker
So i'm going to tie into a lot of the criticisms that have already been voiced here with regards to the length, with regards to you know, some of the unnecessary gore and just, you know, gratuitousness of certain things.
01:09:51
Speaker
I feel like a lot of that unfortunately comes from what seems to be a lack of confidence in the writing to convey these ideas, these feelings and these and nuances.
01:10:02
Speaker
And I think in hindsight, we look back at Gilroy's screenplay and just be like, nope, I'm sorry. That's like not trusting Michael Jordan to sink a layup. Like what the fuck was wrong with you guys? Like dialing back, let the writing and the dialogue do more of this heavy lifting. We do not need this.
01:10:18
Speaker
Yeah, I would agree. And I think that goes for the special effects too, you know, like especially watching it this time, you know, the scenes that really get to me in terms of like chills going down my spine of like, Ooh, this is the devil at work are the scenes where there are no special effects at all.
01:10:33
Speaker
It's Al Pacino reading somebody's mind. It's, you know, the subtle ways you see him needling people when, you know, and I'll come back to the length thing in a moment, but it's the way he plays everybody just so perfectly to get that animal rise out of them. And I mean, the way everybody plays their characters, especially in the law firm, they all feel like stalking predators.
01:10:57
Speaker
you know yeah Every single person has this assurance and this posture of like panther, a lion, a bull. Like they're all these huge stuff, like Eddie Barzun, like the pot, like Jeffrey Jones's you know physique and all that.
01:11:09
Speaker
Yeah. Huge dude. Yeah. With regards to the length of the film, I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum. I want to turn this into an eight episode prestige TV series. I want, I want Keanu to join this that's someone else one. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:25
Speaker
And I want it to be like Dante's Inferno, where every case he wins kills a different partner, la Eddie Barzun. So like first he kills Lehman's, and like each sin he conquers in court and justifies and defends in court leads to leads him up to the penthouse, basically.
01:11:41
Speaker
think that's a fantastic idea. God, green light it. and There we go. But then you've only got Al Pacino for your finale? Or he only reveals that he's the devil in the finale? I think you're building up to that. yeah That's going to be your mid-season at least. You don't want to have it be a surf in Dracula. That's my real concern.
01:12:00
Speaker
Oh, no. But I mean, like I feel like you still have the the subtler devil stuff happening. So like the temptation is there, like, but let's dial it back on like, you know, the demon faces and like the hands on the bodies. I mean, it's really, it also does strike me that it's mainly Marianne who's dealing with the most explicitly supernatural stuff because there is that driving wedge that is trying to happen. I'm not trying to justify, you know, the body horror and stuff like that and the abuse that that we see her suffer in the church.
01:12:27
Speaker
But there is a very definite reason why her manipulation is a lot more explicit and surreal than because you want Keanu to be put in a position where he simply can't trust what she's saying and does not feel like yeah he has an anchor point in her anymore.
01:12:44
Speaker
So in terms of watchability, I just think this is one of those movies that to this day, if I were to turn on TNT and, you know, we're at the Delroy Lindo scene, I'm like, oh, shit, we're about to see the guy cough in court. I'm going to sit down and watch like the next hour of that movie.
01:12:59
Speaker
So, I mean, watchability, I give it like four out of five stars. Like, I would hardly ever change the channel if I saw this on. In terms of weirdness, don't know. going to go a little bit higher on the weirdness scale. But, like, am I rating the weirdness in terms of goodness or just weirdness as, like, a factor for this? Just weirdness. Just how weird do you think this film is?
01:13:18
Speaker
I mean, I think white people having white people problems is always weird, personally. that's just a cultural thing. And I think white people having white people problems with the devil directly exacerbating it is pretty weird. So I'm going to give it four and a half on weirdness. Okay. Okay. I like it. It's true.
01:13:33
Speaker
This is a very white devil situation. i Oh yeah. Well, do you guys want to move on to the next segment of the show? Cause we've got a little review review, please.
01:13:45
Speaker
Oh, yes.
01:14:02
Speaker
You wrote a review of the film, now we're going to review you. Review, review, review, review, review.
01:14:35
Speaker
So I went to IMDB this week. I got three reviews from the two of them from the low end and one very favorable review. Nice. So first up we got PB art channel one, i think, uh, April 29th, 2006, one out of 10 stars.
01:14:55
Speaker
I hated this movie.
01:14:59
Speaker
I hate anti-religious and pro devil type movies. Hmm. hated this movie. I hated the ugly and hideous faces, the monsters, the,
01:15:12
Speaker
I will never recommend this movie and won't watch it again. It's a good thing I saw this on Free Stars Station this weekend because I wouldn't rent it or buy it.
01:15:24
Speaker
Why do promote and glorify sin? If I got a quarter for every time they used the F word, i would be rich. The language was as horrible as the acting.
01:15:37
Speaker
As for the actors, Al Pacino is not one of my favorite actors, but I've always liked Reeves.
01:15:48
Speaker
You guessed it. I'm a lightweight and I like happy movies. This movie rates a big fat one for awful.
01:15:59
Speaker
Yep. yeah You really found a review written by my mom is what I was going to say. you know like I didn't think it was a very pro-Devil movie in the end.
01:16:10
Speaker
No. No, the devil seemed to be doing a lot of bad stuff. Yeah. It's a credit to Pacino's charm that that person walked away thinking it was a pro-Devil movie. That's fair, actually. that yeah The devil made too many good points in that movie.
01:16:26
Speaker
I walked out of it wanting to sell my soul to the devil. Review number two. This is from Mrs. 61102, which I think means she's somewhere here in Kansas.
01:16:38
Speaker
ah February 17th, 2021. I don't know who was writing reviews on IMDb in 2021. Two out 10 stars. two out of ten stars Devil's Advocate is an okay movie, but I did enjoy the chemistry between Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves though? question mark What I want you to know is that every word in this review starts with a capital letter.
01:17:01
Speaker
And there appears to be no punctuation. Here I go. Screen icon Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves team up in Devil's Advocate about an hotshot attorney named Kevin Lomax, who has a pretty good job, a very beautiful girlfriend, and his only goal is to win cases, not to lose them. But okay, one day Kevin Lomax's life is about to change, and he is to learn that every court cases should you always lose, not to win every time. And along the way...
01:17:31
Speaker
Kevin Lomax is about to meet a veteran firm founder named John Milton, who takes Kevin Lomax under his wing, show him the ropes of how to be the best attorney, even though Kevin Lomax is learning everything from his mentor, John Milton.
01:17:46
Speaker
Kevin thinks that his mentor is not bad of a guy, but that's what Kevin Lomax is wrong, because his mentor is not a good person at all, which in fact is that John Milton is not just a film founder, but who he is in fact the devil himself, who's been watching Kevin Lomax from the beginning.
01:18:03
Speaker
And Kevin Lomax is also about to learn that his mentor is really in fact his own father that he's never met before until now. Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves play Kevin Lomax and John Milton, while the film also stars Charlize Theron, Jeffrey Jones, Greg T. Nelson, and Connie Nielsen.
01:18:20
Speaker
Wow. All right. Compliment sandwich for that review. First off, I think they inadvertently pointed out an area for improvement that even Gilroy missed, which is he should have been named Kevin Lomax.
01:18:32
Speaker
Like, let's just really put it out there. me And... and And also it's a great challenge, modern major general style, to see you trying to do that to your earnest best on a single breath of air. Well done.
01:18:44
Speaker
Thank you. Thank you. Last one. This one's a positive one. From Wecker, September 12th, 2010. 10 out of 10. Astonishing then, astonishing now.
01:18:58
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Yes.
01:19:00
Speaker
Saw this movie back in 97 in the theaters.
01:19:04
Speaker
It was running just a week after Cameron's Titanic. I remember the crowds at Rush to See Titanic and an almost empty room when this movie was playing. After seeing this, I thought how unbalanced is the creativity, parentheses originality, versus big budget blockbusters on one side and the number of viewers on the other side.
01:19:27
Speaker
Later, I realized that blockbusters are for the masses. And interesting movies like this one are for the few who can see beyond the FX and the small little girls' tears. I was just a kid back then.
01:19:41
Speaker
watched it again last night. And although I knew the ending, it was an awesome ride. And the ending gave me the same shivers as the first time. If you haven't seen this one, go get it.
01:19:53
Speaker
If you have... Watch it again. It never gets old nor boring.
01:20:01
Speaker
Wow. I think that really says it all. Up against Titanic really puts things in perspective there. Yeah. For sure. mean, it still came out profitable even with that post-Titanic fatigue.
01:20:15
Speaker
It's good counter-programming. It is. Well, do you guys want to play a little game? Yes, I do. Naturally. Yes. All right. we're going to play a little Strange Lines Currency.
01:20:28
Speaker
don't know what you mean to me when you said those words you said. And I don't know
01:20:56
Speaker
why you said that thing. Well, I need you to fill in the word, fill in the line, fill in the blank.
01:21:08
Speaker
These words, they are not mine. These words,
01:21:21
Speaker
they are mine.
01:21:33
Speaker
So these words are lines from the film. ah They are lines spoken by John Milton. What I'm going to do is I'm going to read a line with a couple of words left blank.
01:21:45
Speaker
I want you to fill in the blanks, possibly doing your best John Milton impression as you do it. is a buzzing game. You'll buzz in by saying your own name. And ah does anybody have any questions? Your opponents will have the opportunity to steal.
01:22:01
Speaker
Any questions? Nope. All right. Then away we go.
Philosophical Musings and Humor
01:22:08
Speaker
Question number one. Free will.
01:22:12
Speaker
It's like blank blank. Once touched, they never get off the ground. Baloo. Baloo? It's like butterfly wings.
01:22:25
Speaker
Correct. Baloo's on the board. and When they said that, i was like, is that true? If you touch a butterfly's wings, can they not fly anymore? but Yeah, they got like dust on there. Yeah.
01:22:38
Speaker
Question number two. A woman's shoulders are the front lines of her mystique. And her neck, if she's alive, has all the mystery of a blank blank.
01:22:52
Speaker
Baloo. Baloo? Has all the mystery of a border town. That's correct. What a strange thing to say. unhinged.
01:23:07
Speaker
It's like he's going with like a World War I thing and then he goes to like border town. It feels a little preachy, but you know what? He's got the right grasp. He's got the right intonation.
01:23:21
Speaker
Question number three. Guilt is like a bag of fucking blank. All you got to do is set it down. Baloo. Baloo?
01:23:33
Speaker
Like a bag of fucking bricks. All you got to do is set them down. That's three in a row for me. yeah
01:23:45
Speaker
Question number four. Free will. It is a blank. Blank. ah um Anna. Anna. It's a bitch.
01:24:03
Speaker
Perfect. And you nailed the Pacino.
01:24:10
Speaker
Question number five. Well, on a scale of one to ten, ten being the most depraved act of sexual theater known to man, one being your average Friday night run-through at the Lomax household, I'd say, not to be a modest, Marianne and I got it on at about blank. Hello. Greg.
01:24:36
Speaker
Baloo? A seven.
01:24:42
Speaker
That's correct. It's an interesting choice on his part. It's really interesting choice. The honesty. No, do like it. It's really something. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
01:24:56
Speaker
Question number six.
01:24:59
Speaker
Now with this, now that you're down, i get ready for one of those Class a New York style blanks. Baloo.
01:25:10
Speaker
Oh. Baloo? Pig fuckings. yeah Judges?
01:25:19
Speaker
Very close. Greg? Greg? New York style pig fuck?
01:25:29
Speaker
Very, very close. ah Pig fucks? There it is. You've got it, my Duff. It's a New York-style pig fucks.
01:25:44
Speaker
Question number seven. i
01:25:48
Speaker
The worst vice is blank.
01:25:53
Speaker
Greg? Oh, no. Greg? I was going to say vanity, but I don't think that's correct.
01:26:02
Speaker
It's not correct. Baloo or Anna, can you steal? Baloo? Yeah, the worst vice is advice. Correct. Possibly taken directly from Ambrose Bierce's Devil's Dictionary, if I had to guess. That's hilarious.
01:26:18
Speaker
Question number eight. Blank. Definitely my favorite sin. Greg. Greg. Vanity.
01:26:30
Speaker
There we go. You're on the board, Greg. Yes. Question number nine. In spite of all his imperfections, I'm a fan of blank.
01:26:43
Speaker
but I'm a humanist. Maybe the last humanist. Baloo. I'm a fan of man.
01:26:53
Speaker
Baloo, you've got it. i don't think there's any doubt about who won this game. Baloo with six big points. It was great, though. Congratulations.
The Batty Awards Ceremony
01:27:02
Speaker
Uh-oh, it's time for the Batty Awards.
01:27:12
Speaker
Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards. Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:27:23
Speaker
Now you're messing with the Batty Awards.
01:27:28
Speaker
Congratulations to all the nominees.
01:27:37
Speaker
Congratulations to all our nominees. You've made it to the Batty Awards. And hey, you might even go home a big wiener. Who wants to give out the first Batty Award?
01:27:48
Speaker
I can go. Yes, Greg. Okay, so this is the Batty Award for possibly the strangest way to emphasize your point as you end a sentence.
01:28:02
Speaker
Okay. This is going to go to the prosecuting attorney on the opening court scene, because after he gives his closing arguments, he's got on these little reading glasses,
01:28:14
Speaker
And he takes them off and he's like, and he's guilty. And he throws his own glasses down on the defense's table. it is such a weird choice to me as a glasses owner. Cause it's like, like right now i can't see anything.
01:28:30
Speaker
Like yeah the idea that you would, that I would take these off and throw them at someone else just to make a point is stupid. But also like the idea is like, and then also fuck you. can I get the glasses back actually? Like it's gonna, like, it's going to be awkward immediately after you've thrown something you own on someone else's table. like It's didn't make any sense to me.
01:28:51
Speaker
He should have carried a little notepad if you wanted Yes, exactly. Or slammed his hand down on the table or something. But said, it's like, here's one of my possessions. Also it's delicate. And could I have that back? It's weird.
01:29:04
Speaker
It is weird. You're good catch Greg. I to rewind it. I was just like, wait a minute, did he actually do that? Anyway, please. Anna, do you have a Batty Award?
01:29:16
Speaker
Sure. This is just a small ah tip of the hat to Taylor Hackford, because this seems like a directorial choice. Right at the beginning...
01:29:29
Speaker
when ah the guy from Milton's firm is luring Reeves up to New York City. He tells him that, you know, they'll give him a lump sum to do it.
01:29:43
Speaker
And he shows him the amount of money. And that's just something that I always like in a movie where the character knows how much money it is.
01:29:56
Speaker
But the audience doesn't because it, you know, that means that it never dates. You can always just think of it as what would be a big amount of money. So, yeah.
01:30:07
Speaker
Yeah. Also great timing with the music in the background on that scene, how it starts to go the please show me your tattoo. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:30:19
Speaker
so And show me your tattoo will be our outro. Yeah, that was hilarious. That was another thing I had to back. i was like, did they just say show me your tattoo? They did indeed. They did.
01:30:32
Speaker
I'm going to give my baddie award to the best inside joke. And that was the inside joke. Me and my friend, Lisa Morrow had in high school. She and must've been part of the crew that went to see that movie possibly with her boyfriend, Kevin Coe, who was a good friend of mine.
01:30:49
Speaker
And for ages after this, we would just say to each other every now and then they took my ovaries. Yeah.
01:30:59
Speaker
They took My ovaries, Kevin. They took my ovaries. Oh, Kevin. Terrible. It was a very funny thing for her to be yelling. And it it was a very scary scene. So it really cut through that tension for us.
01:31:17
Speaker
Baloo, do you have a Batty Award? Yeah, I'm going to go with a ah possibly the incorrect interpretation of Batty for this award. But. I mean, Charlize Theron is a tough hang in this movie, like, especially with the torment she's going through, the psychological trauma and everything.
01:31:34
Speaker
But the scene where she's home alone decorating and just bites down on a full Popeye's chicken breast. then Fatty.
01:31:44
Speaker
yeah Fatty. yeah I know I was talking just five minutes ago about white people problems, but those are problems I want to have. Fair enough, Matt.
01:31:55
Speaker
Well, thank you so much for coming this week, Baloo. Thank you for choosing such a fun movie.
Podcast Engagement and Farewell
01:32:00
Speaker
Do you have anything you want to plug? I know you got to tell people about D&D versus. Yeah. I mean, thank you so much for having me. First of all, like I've been looking forward to this since you first invited me on. And when I, when I brought up this movie, I was just so stoked that you went with me on it. So I, I'm just so stoked to have been here. So thank you all so much.
01:32:20
Speaker
And yeah, I have a D&D podcast. We're closing in. on the end of season one. It's called D and versus, uh, unlike most other D and d podcasts, we do one player at a time and a continuing story where when that player character dies, a new player inhabits the body.
01:32:36
Speaker
So come along on that adventure with us. Yeah, I've been listening. It's a lot of fun. I i strongly recommend checking it out. You can also catch me on a bonus episode talking about the fine art of dungeon mastering.
01:32:51
Speaker
If you ever wanted to hear me babble incoherently about playing Dungeons and Dragons, this is your chance. ah Bulldoot, thank you again so much for coming.
01:33:03
Speaker
And, oh, do you want people to follow you online or anything? Is there any place that they can... Yeah, the only thing I'm on is Blue Sky at this point. So that is Y, as in the interrogative, W-H-Y, Baloo at Blue Sky.
01:33:17
Speaker
so So check it out. Check out D&D Versus. And check us out next week when we'll be doing Creepshow 2 with Trevor Henderson.
01:33:27
Speaker
Very excited for that one. Yeah. And Baloo, are you going to listen to this episode? Oh, of course. When you do, give us five stars.
01:33:39
Speaker
um ah Too late. i've already given you guys five stars. See, listeners, catch up. You can be giving us five stars, too. It's that easy. You can be sharing us to your timeline. You can be telling your best friend about us.
01:33:54
Speaker
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01:34:09
Speaker
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01:34:22
Speaker
On Tuesdays, it's a lot of fun. Once a month, we watch a movie all together. Maybe that'll be expanding. Maybe there'll be more movies. Come hang out. And, ah yeah. Until next time, ah be good.
01:34:35
Speaker
Goodbye. Goodbye. Bye. You sure can never talk on me, baby.
01:34:49
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you know.
01:34:59
Speaker
Oh, you see, I've got this vision in my mind In the loud way, goodnight, thinking about it Yeah, yeah And don't know what to do
01:35:25
Speaker
Oh, baby, I've been wondering
01:35:32
Speaker
Maybe there's something that I could do for you And I'll do anything if you do one thing for me I'll say just the one thing for me Please
01:35:58
Speaker
Show me your tattoo. When
01:36:03
Speaker
I take you out to dinner. Every romantic rendezvous.