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TSP Ep 117: Oh, the Places We've Been: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying About the Work and Just do it. PART 2!
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In this second half, Tom and Steve discuss more stuff like stuff, but they do ,in fact, (lots of commas, possibly too many,) discuss a possible new project by Tom that they do a script read of, and they battle it out with another trivia game.
So come along with us as we get back to it!
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Transcript
Episode Theme Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
So we have a main discussion. Well, you know, you guys know the if you are sorry. I mean, we kind of piggybacked into the main discussion a little bit. Yeah, exactly. We jumped around. We jumped around this whole episode. It's just been a nice conversation. I did write a I did get a quote that I wanted to that I thought was a little on theme, which I'm here somewhere. OK, yes. Why is it say did I not get the quote? I have his name on here. Do you want me to read it?
00:00:29
Speaker
Sure. Main topic, getting on the horsey again. I believe that filmmaking, as probably is everything, is a game you should play with all your cards, all your dice, and whatever else, and whatever else you've got. So each time I make a movie, I give it everything I have, I think everyone should, and I think everyone should do everything they do that way. Francis Ford Culper. Sorry, he kind of lost me on that incentive.
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah, so I thought this was a nice quote because I um The big thing was like this episode is like, you know, we took a break getting back into getting back into working and it's like If you are gonna make a movie it takes every bit of you And if you if it's not I don't know if you should really like be trying to make a movie because
Challenges and Passion in Filmmaking
00:01:28
Speaker
It's like a thing, because it just sucks everything out of you, but it's also like a group thing. So like, you know, it's like a, it's like a spirit ball. Everyone is like giving everything they have to you to like try to make this thing. And as a film, as the filmmaker, as like the person, the director, producer, writer, person, people,
00:01:55
Speaker
It's your job to get it there. You have to throw the Spirit Bomb at Majin Buu or whoever he did the Spirit Bomb with or whatever. And so that's where we're at. Got a Spirit Bomb, Majin Buu. Yeah, blow that fucker out of the sky, man.
00:02:14
Speaker
So we took the longest break we have had ever, I think. It's been over two months, I think. Longest break from anything? From filmmaking, yeah. Filmmaking-wise. Well, we took a little bit of a break after a dickhead, no?
00:02:30
Speaker
After principal pause, I mean like podcasting podcasting. Sorry since we started the show Because filmmaking we took like a year off Yeah, just about a year. Yeah, we it was like I Did the rough cut and then we didn't do anything with it for like a year
00:02:49
Speaker
And then it was kind of like, hey, let's get back to it. And then that's how we got into, but yes, yeah, it was needed, but also, oh, this is what I wrote. I can't help but feel a bit overwhelmed with guilt and sadness. How do you feel sadness? Because like, especially when it comes to podcasting and doing the editing and stuff, it's really like some of the only fun I have during the week sometimes. And I know that might be a depressing thing to say.
00:03:17
Speaker
but it's like, you know, just sitting down and having a talk or having an interview, like those are some of like, it's, that's fun to me. It's so fun. Yeah. I'm learning and like, it's like a time away where I actually get to like talking about the things I love. Um, where it's not like just, you know, like changing diapers and,
00:03:37
Speaker
trying to force kids to eat rice or something. It's like, damn, just fucking kill me. But how do you feel, buddy? We had a nice long break. How do you feel about all that? Well, I think it would be similar, although maybe not so focused on the sad part. Because I mean, at some point we'll look back on this and we'll be like, yeah, that was cool. We had a good time doing that and life was pretty good, at least for us.
Filmmaking as a Creative Respite
00:04:06
Speaker
You know, really, what do we have to bitch about? We're getting to make films on the side and doing that struggle of the nine to five and taking care of our family. It's like, that's cool.
00:04:21
Speaker
And it's a lot of fun. So that's why I guess I don't, like, yes, this is some of the most fun because it's working on the passion, you know, doing that creative side, letting that, you know, other side to you out that is kind of your own, your own, like, unique thing to yourself, your own individual aspect, right? Changing, chasing that passion.
00:04:46
Speaker
maintain that individuality and still getting sucked into the every day of the nine to five and, you know, all the obligations. This is our reprieve from all of that. And so, yeah, you know, it's, it's a great time and it is difficult. You know, I mean, we've taken what we're
Film Production Challenges
00:05:06
Speaker
on a year eight now. Yep. Going on nine. It's your eight. 2016 was principal.
00:05:15
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. This is your eight. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's a good chance it won't be out until the ninth year, right? For festival reasons and all of that for release.
00:05:26
Speaker
I mean, it might be done this year, hopefully. Well, hopefully, you know, we were releasing, yeah. I don't think, I don't know if we got into goals, but you know, that's definitely goal number one is. Finishing dickhead, yeah. Let's at least be done or at worst. Let's be like, okay, it's in sound production and they're working on it and they said it's going to take them five months because it's Y and Z. Yeah. So like, okay, well, we just got to wait.
00:05:52
Speaker
But it's completely out of our hands and it literally is just going through the motion. But also just the steps it needs to go through in order to be done. And like, it's like, okay, someone's working on it, it's getting done. Like it literally is. That's definitely where I'd like to be, but you know, money's gonna be the big issue. Because we have no idea what we're walking into and how expensive and who we might need and get favors from.
00:06:20
Speaker
we don't know what kind of kindness our waters are, even if it's an ocean we're sailing into or a barren desert. Yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, we're gonna have, that's one thing that's gonna be a tricky situation. Cause like, it's so just kind of unknown. And also editing has been a bit of an eye-opener. What do you say? I mean, literally like the issues we ran into to go so smoothly throughout the entire thing. And then all of a sudden to hit a brick wall,
00:06:49
Speaker
It wasn't even a brick wall, we hit a mountain. Yeah, on the map it said it was all hoosh, but all of a sudden there's an iceberg. Yeah, because I will say, yeah, because it felt like, and I think this was the ignorance of amateurness. Oh, absolutely.
00:07:09
Speaker
The reason that editing has been so hard is because of every mistake we made is just amplified. So when you have a poor transition or the lack of B-roll or not enough takes or lack of continuity or
00:07:30
Speaker
all of these little things, they are just pushed to a degree because then you watch it and they edit and you're like, Jesus fucking Christ, we shot that? It didn't feel like that all the day. Why? Why did you do that? And you're like, is there anything else? I'm like, nope, we did it twice.
00:07:51
Speaker
We thought it was amazing twice. We called, we said, hey, this is good. Let's move on to the next shot. And you really feel that hardcore in the edit. And that was also a big thing, as I will say, is because we didn't do dailies.
00:08:07
Speaker
So that also I think pushed us back literally probably years, not doing dailies because we've had to scour and go through every little take with a fine tooth comb finding every little bit. And I think if you actually sort that out in the dailies and or get what you need, actually need, it probably would eliminate every problem.
00:08:35
Speaker
that we've had or like 90% of the problems we've had in editing is by just actually like cutting the scenes together as we had shot them. And really seeing how it all plays out. Yeah. Yeah. Instantly. I mean, it's so glaring. Yeah. Because it's like, it's like we shot, it's like we shot on film and we never got it developed until the end. Yes, it is. We shot like we shot off.
00:09:06
Speaker
And it's like, okay, well, we show is what we got. Good luck. Here's the movie. Right. Like, don't do that. If you're a filmmaker and you listen to this podcast, do not fucking do that. Like you will, you'll never forgive yourself. Cause I know sometimes I'm just like, if we had just watched it, we could have been, we were on the set. If we had just watched it, the cut together, we would have been like,
00:09:35
Speaker
Can we redo that? Oh yeah, they're coming here on Friday.
Crew Dynamics and Commitment
00:09:38
Speaker
We can redo it in 10 minutes. But we didn't. So it is what it is. Although I will say this though, how many reshoots did we do that we went with? Almost none. So maybe reshoots isn't even a possibility, but you got to go for it, right? I think you have to try.
00:10:06
Speaker
Cause sometimes the issue is just too glaring, right? I think the main thing why the research shoots weren't working either was we waited too long to do that. Yeah, it was like years. It was literally like years and nothing matched up. Everything felt way wrong. It just felt wrong. Well, they weren't the character at all anymore. They probably didn't even know what they were like, what the fuck? I did this. Like, oh shit, you got my day with a contract? Okay.
00:10:34
Speaker
And even if we just shot, um, like with no actors and we just shot stuff, it was like off. The problem is, is like everything looked too different. It was just like, it was jarring. Also, I think the intelligence was there a lot more, but to also say, I don't know if the excitement was there.
00:11:01
Speaker
You know, after that, it was like, we just got to do it because we got to do it. But it wasn't like, because when we were shooting, I mean, it was like, hell yeah, man. I'm not getting any sleep at all. Working these insane hours, spending all this insane money, having to deal with everyone's fucking. Yeah, it was, it was kind of a constant nightmare of people complaining and bitching. And it was like,
00:11:25
Speaker
You guys volunteered never at this. I'm sorry, I'm getting into my own personal things. That's also too harsh where people were bitching at me and I was just like, this is what you signed up for. I'm sorry that you signed up for this. And I get where they're coming from because they were like, it's just going to be a fun little thing where we were like, no, it's going to be a real thing as much as possible.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yeah. And that's completely two different things, you know, like just having fun, doing this little project verse, hey, we're really gonna try and make a film. Sacrificing every weekend, every one of your weekends for 10 weekends or 20 weekends or whatever it was. That's a tall ask, man. It's a huge ask. Especially because we didn't pay anybody. No money. Nothing. And we just lost money, you know, like on top of that. So it was like, we put ourselves through a lot with that.
00:12:15
Speaker
Yeah, and it was nonstop and we had no idea what we were doing and we were way in over our heads and like.
00:12:22
Speaker
Honestly, it was kind of crazy. It's so insane when you think about it. Cause I mean, I think when it's like, oh yeah, principle was eight years ago. And then it's like just kind of been like this weird limbo-y thing where we're like learning how to make the movie, save the movie essentially. Yes, save the movie is a perfect thing. Because when I think about what's like, you know, like if you were to equate this to like college years, like eight years, you could probably get like a master's or something, right?
00:12:49
Speaker
But it's like I don't feel like I necessarily have a master's in filmmaking, but I definitely know how to fucking edit and save a movie or get every squeeze every little bit out as possible. And and I think that's like the main thing I've learned is like, no, we really have you really have to take your time to understand what you're doing.
00:13:10
Speaker
Yeah. Because if you're not understanding what you're doing, if you're just like, I want to see where a person's head gets cut off, but you're not really thinking about like, how many shots you need for that? How many angles? How like, are you, where, who's doing your special effects? How you done special effect tests?
00:13:27
Speaker
all of these things that like we just kind of just were like dived into. Yeah. Like we didn't do any special effects tests at all.
Post-Production Planning and Budgeting
00:13:35
Speaker
We just were at, we just expected that the people that were doing the special effects would know would just do it and would have a night and then we just have it done. Yeah. And that was the dumbest thing. I mean, on a list of dumb things, pretty high on the list. But in our defense, we didn't have many
00:13:55
Speaker
special effects scenes and intentionally very yeah true very intentionally like stunts i mean who knew you couldn't just trip yeah every little action and then also i forgot
00:14:15
Speaker
Yeah, damn. I don't know. Because I mean, in my brain. And that's what I was going to say. Because, you know, we we still need them, I think. That's always like a little cute thing for horror films, right? Ones that really endear you where you're like, oh, you tried. You could always appreciate it. Right. But you got to also put a lot of effort into that, too. Yes. You know, it requires it. You don't just do it and sell it. You know, you got to put some time and effort. And I think
00:14:45
Speaker
we learned that, you know. But also I think that maybe we misjudged everyone in thinking they would come into it with the same amount of passion as we had.
00:14:56
Speaker
That and also within that specific area too that they're doing. Yeah. Cause I think part of the problem too is we were kind of asking people to just learn how to do their job. No, exactly. And a lot of people were like, no, we're just going to like hang out and have fun and make a movie, right? No, no. Yeah. You need to learn this and you need to learn it at a high degree. And if you're not interested in this subject in your everyday, well, it's probably going to be a lot of fun. Yeah.
00:15:26
Speaker
You know, so. Which, yeah, that's a big, that's another. That's a tall ask. It is a tall, we asked, we asked way too much and we got away with way too much, honestly. We did. Like if, if the thing is, I always think about too, and I'm like, if Dickhead is like,
00:15:43
Speaker
If at least it just comes out as a movie, like we got away with like a miracle. Like we robbed the heavens or something. Cause nothing should have worked. Nothing about what we did should work. We had no idea we were doing, we were just going at it because we love movies. I mean, we just like wrote a script. It was our, both of our first time writing a feature length script.
00:16:12
Speaker
casting actors doing, we did everything really to some degree. Oh yeah. Except hair and makeup. That's the only thing we don't know how to do. We did not touch in the slightest those hair and makeup, but every other job we had a hand in. Yeah.
00:16:29
Speaker
So it was like, and depending on the job, I mean, we were the only ones possibly doing it. Yeah, I know. And it was like, then we had people that were doing jobs, but they were never on set. Yeah. And so it was like, well, technically this person did some of this work, but they were never here to like implement it or take care of it. You know, names won't be named, but yeah, brutal.
00:16:57
Speaker
Brutal. But that's why you can't get too mad at any of them either. I would never, no. Like I said, we had no idea. And also no one was getting paid. We had no idea they had no idea. No one had any idea. That's how we all ended up in this situation. Yeah, exactly. No one had an idea about anything. Let's see. Okay, so breaks are good, but they come with a price. I think we should discuss.
00:17:24
Speaker
when we feel it's appropriate to take a break or when you feel you need to push through and get back to it. So I felt I was, I was getting a little worried where I was like, we need to actually just like get, just do it. Like we just need to get back in, we just need to do an episode. I felt like if we just did one episode, it would just, we would just get back into the groove and it would be over again. We're on the same wavelength, man. Cause I was like, you know what, I just need to start editing the last podcast episode that we did in 2023, just get on it.
00:17:53
Speaker
I haven't done it, but I've really been thinking about it.
00:17:56
Speaker
But to be more serious, getting back to work. Holidays are over. It's the new year. Let's get back on it, because we have time schedules that we really need to hit. Getting this out for all the festivals of next year, because that's probably the best we can get. Unless we want to cut ourselves short. Because I think you had talked about if we could get Dickhead essentially done by July,
00:18:26
Speaker
Or June. And just get in there for all those festivals. We can get into submissions for South by Southwest. We can get in submissions for Sundance. I mean, not that we're going to actually get those. No, not at all. But you've got to try it. Fantastic Fest, Tribeca, LA Horror Fest, like all these movies, like all those are at the end of the year. That's when all the submissions are. Yeah. It's like September is like a big one. Like that's where Sundance cuts off. That's when a lot of places cut off. Yeah.
00:18:55
Speaker
Like I don't know when can is but like I know like I think palm palm desert or palm springs I think that cuts off in september Yeah, so yes as long as like we kind of are at a place where we can start like submitting and stuff like that by the end of our The third quarter of the year. Yeah. Well, not just that but also researching. Yeah building our plan that we're gonna take, you know and yeah like seeing what we can submit to but yeah, so definitely
00:19:24
Speaker
That's a real one. Or else, I don't know. If we miss like half of the year for 2024, 2025, do we just wait? Do we just say, hey, let's just focus on post. We'll just polish it more. Essentially just twiddle our fingers and then come in for 2026. How would you? I mean, just... Honestly, I would...
00:19:48
Speaker
I'm not sure yet because I don't know what it is, what the rest is going to be like. Like to me, it would be unacceptable if we weren't like completely picture locked and it was like we're waiting because we need to save up like 10 grand to get the sound done. Yeah, that would be what I would push the film back to me for another year is because we literally just have to save every penny or get loans or something to get it done.
00:20:15
Speaker
Yeah, because that's the big worry. I don't think we should be like, oh, we're still editing in 2026. If we're doing that, we're fucking like we're
Strategizing Film Completion
00:20:25
Speaker
in bad, bad shape. Oh, yeah. At that point, then you got to look in the mirror. It's like we made dickhead. Yeah, we editing Citizen Kane too. Like, yeah, we got a fucking like it's like there's only so much we can do, right? Like,
00:20:41
Speaker
To get that edit to where it is like we could work. I mean technically we could probably work on it forever But it's like at a point. It's like we're not even really we're making points of a percentage of it better which is crazy
00:20:56
Speaker
Honestly, this is just me throwing this out there and not even talking with you or anything, but I think it's probably gonna be three more months to finish. I mean, look, we're already halfway through January, you know, and we're not on the audio thing yet. So probably about three more months before we finish.
00:21:13
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's fair. I think so, you know, then it's like, well, where does that put us out? Because then we want to get some feedback from people, right? Yeah. And then we go back to it again. Well, my my thought process on it right now is we get the current scene six in the timeline.
00:21:33
Speaker
Then we do the audio, the temp audio cut, and then we start looking for who's gonna do the color. That's when we start really looking, and then we're sending out because we need to be, because I don't know what that process is gonna be like, hiring people for this.
00:21:54
Speaker
and then hopefully by then like taxes will be done right it'll be like April so like taxes will have to be done and that's probably gonna put a lot of my taxes into is dickhead and that's where it's we're gonna really get an idea right it's gonna cost us fifteen thousand dollars it's gonna cost us ten thousand dollars are we gonna do we want to try to push for more because we could shop around and try to find cheaper or whatever right
00:22:18
Speaker
It's like, that's where I'm like, I have no idea. Literally zero, like, cause the main thing I'm worried about is, is the sound. Yeah. I don't really, like, I feel like we can get a composer for like relatively inexpensive, like into the like one or $2,000 even.
00:22:38
Speaker
Yeah, I think so, yeah. And then coloring, if we're not doing it ourselves, we can definitely probably, that is something that can be cheap because every motherfucker is a DP colorist. That's true, but we have also that big issue with the coloring. Yeah, but that's something that- And we really took bad exposure, so that's already pushing match. Yeah. That's what's scaring me is coloring, because I have no idea.
00:23:04
Speaker
If you told me what's fair for a colorist to charge, I'd be like, I don't know what's fair for anybody, but also I think we need to put like what we are willing to spend as well. Well, I think honestly, I think it has to be whatever you can part with.
00:23:22
Speaker
If you can survive without this, it's got to go to the saving for the film or just saving, at least at the very least, just saving. So when we have the money, we can pay. Yeah, because that's what the thing is like. And I know this is probably something we should have already been doing. It's like reaching out to people. But also I don't want to do it because I don't know how much further
00:23:44
Speaker
We are until because pretty much until we're pretty long. I don't want to really talk to anyone until I know like I can give you dates. Yes, exactly. We can set up meetings. Like I don't want to get into that because because yeah, because I kind of had started doing that because I had talked to a couple of composers and I even sent them like a few clips and they had even composed some stuff for us. And then but then the problem was they were like, oh, I'm ready to start working. I'm like, we're not ready to give you anything.
00:24:09
Speaker
You're gonna have to wait like six months. It would have been longer than that since I had started talking to them like earlier last year. It would have been like a whole year they would just been waiting on their hands.
00:24:21
Speaker
talk to anyone, because also, you know, we were experiencing that with our crew, you know, our cast and crew, they're like, what one's it gonna be done? And I was like, what, done? It ain't gonna be done for years, what are you talking about? Like, you know, we're amateurs, we need to put in the time and effort and learn all this shit.
00:24:41
Speaker
Yeah, we were literally learning how to edit to a professional degree as best professionals we can. As we can, yeah. And that, it's like, right? You're like asking us to just learn that show overnight? Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's not going to be done. And that's why I don't want to talk to, I haven't talked to anyone. I've just been saving like links and just keeping them in mind.
00:25:02
Speaker
Because also, I guess just other projects just seeing once you string someone along, they're not going to stay. Yeah. And I also it's like, man, you don't want to burn too many bridges. That's kind of burning because you're getting someone to invest their time in you. And it's like, dude, you didn't come through. It's like, yeah, I don't want to.
00:25:19
Speaker
I don't want to bother you unless this is a serious thing that's happening. And if I don't go with you, it's because I'm not going with you, but it's then done. You know, it's not someone just kind of lingering. Right. It's not like, well, we're not we're not locked yet. So we're not showing you any footage. So just hold on for it. Yeah.
00:25:38
Speaker
Right. And then just keep stringing them along like how we were with how that makes you look bad. It does. And it just feels shitty and also is like very demoralizing too. Yeah. Because it's like.
00:25:52
Speaker
It's like, well, we can only work on it when we can work on it. That's the hardest part is we don't have every hour in a day. There's just some days where we don't have the say. Yeah, exactly. The crappy thing is we're getting one day a week and then if something happens or schedules change or one of us isn't filling up to it, it's like, well, that week is skipped. That whole week is skipped, right?
00:26:17
Speaker
Well, I mean, that's why we took such a long break, right? Yeah. You weren't up to it or I wasn't up to it. Mm hmm. You know, literally, we just couldn't. Yeah. And you know, honestly, we need to be like, yeah, man, let's get what we have. All right, I'm cool, man. Yeah. Just magic. That was a big fear of mine is I was getting a little too comfortable, like just being able to be home and relax, not having that responsibility on my shoulders. But then I was like, it was starting to weigh on me big time because I was like,
00:26:48
Speaker
Yeah, you're just being a fucking lazy fuck and you're not getting anything done. Dude, that's such a good thing. Right. That's because it's like, look, we're here getting back to it. Yeah. Like as long as dickhead could have just disappeared and we never talk about it, our acknowledge it is just a black hole in our lives. Yeah. You know, but hey, we ate there yet. That's what I was saying. That was a big fear of mine was just like, well, I mean,
00:27:17
Speaker
If we just start the podcasting, it's not like there's going to be a public outcry. Bring back the show. That's true. No one's going to fucking say a goddamn word. When you said blink, that's it. It would just pop out of existence and they would probably just sit on the Zencaster server for forever.
00:27:38
Speaker
And like every now and then someone would probably go and look at it because we have a cargo episode and we have a Lucky McKee episode and we have a script fella episode. What was that guy's name? Not Damien.
00:27:51
Speaker
What's Scrippella's name? Oh, Dominic Morgan. Dominic Morgan, there you go. Sorry, Dominic. Damn you. He could have been Satan, I don't know. But like, I mean, we're here now, so I'm not really worried about it. And I feel like a lot better just, you know, sitting down and having a talk, so it's really nice. Well, also just us getting to it. I mean, the only reason Dick had
00:28:16
Speaker
has this much motivation or momentum between us at least is because of the time it took to learn and theorize with each other back and forth, just have that rally amongst each other and be like, well, what about this? No, what about that? And just kind of learning from one another and exploring that together. Yeah, other than editors like fucking us for like two years.
00:28:39
Speaker
That too, but I mean, even when they were, I was still researching stuff, you know, like, okay, once we get to sound, this is what we're gonna run into. So I was like looking up, I think I was looking up a lot of ADR options and how we could cheat that or whatever. Yeah.
00:28:54
Speaker
you know, or how you rerecord it, can we do it ourselves, whatever. So, you know, we were always on it, and I think it shows, and I think it'll show even more as time progresses. Like, I don't really think we're losing out, but we gotta work on it. And not just work on it, but we gotta make progress on it. You know, it's at that point.
00:29:19
Speaker
We had the years where we were just saying we're working on it, but there's no progress being done. But now it's like, no, there's gotta be some actual progress. Even if you're not ready for that progress, there has to be because you're getting into that, man. The thing was too, it was like last year. Well, I don't know if it was last year or 2022 where we went to the cabin. I can't remember. Maybe it was 2022.
00:29:47
Speaker
2022 yes because that was like to me was like a big breakthrough it was like all of a sudden things just started kind of clicking and it was like oh maybe we should have done this like five years ago where we really where we just kind of isolated ourselves and really just kind of like looked at it because I think
00:30:08
Speaker
The thing too was like, is there so much you just don't know until you know it? Yes. And until you know it, you don't know that you didn't know it? Like I know that
Excitement for Future Projects
00:30:18
Speaker
sounds like a he knows that I know that he knows because it makes perfect sense because it was kind of like we probably could have finished this movie like a year after we were done if we had just stopped everything that we were doing and got a cabin for a week.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yes and no. Yes and no, because look at your first edit. It's great. I liked it. It's such a great edit. We would have gone with that. Look at what we got now. I mean, I think no fans, buddy, but I think it's a little better. Its world's better. But not just that, the whole story and everything's different. It's a different film completely. The movie, yeah. I literally edited a comedy. And the one that we edited is- And we're not that funny.
00:30:58
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So if we did it within a year and a half, reverse what we're gonna get now, I think, I don't know, I think it's gonna be, I think the time is gonna be, it's gonna show. Yes. The learning that we've done is gonna show what we learned, I don't know.
00:31:17
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We learned something and it feels a lot better, right? Yeah, I think what I'm just excited for is to just keep going and to see also like what's next. And it feels exciting. I'm like really excited about daycare. That's why when I think about it, some of which of it feels like a workout because you know you never want to work out but then when you do you feel pretty good. Exactly. And when you started to show the gains you're feeling pretty good.
00:31:44
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And this, you know, it's like, yeah, man, like, I don't necessarily, I'm tired. I want to just get high and play video games. But then I work on it. And you know, once you get started, you'll easily drop like two hours, like nothing. Then that's my problem is just finding two hours or four hours or whatever it is. But what I'm saying is like, you can easily just get drawn into it where before you know it, you've put in a full day's work. And after it, like,
00:32:12
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Yeah, I feel pretty good. I would feel great. And I remember it always because I'm always rendering them out because I like to watch them on the projector. And I'd always it was just like, wow, man, this is getting better and better and better for what it is. Yeah. It's like someone getting a bunch of throw up and we molded it back into a cake for you to eat. Yeah, exactly. It's just getting better and better. Yeah. Our technique.
00:32:39
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Yeah, because I
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00:32:40
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think the thing that I am just enjoying a lot too about where we're at in the edit is like, I don't know if it was like a self-flagellation thing, but we were just like, we're cutting everything. We are going as bare bones as we can, and it's really kind of working because
00:33:06
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we're getting through all of our rough patches fast. Literally, it's working a lot. In the runtime, every film has a rough patch. Every film has those rough patches. And some filmmakers really lean into them because they're a really important part of the story of film to them. I always think about the opening of Halloween, the delivery is so bad when she's like, Michael! And it's just a terrible, scared delivery.
00:33:33
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And I was like, they only did that shot like once because it's like a crazy one or right. And it took forever. So they probably did like once or twice. And you got to just be like, well, it is what it is. It is what it is. Let's just get through that real quick. Yeah. Then we'll get to Loomis on screen and then. Yeah. Who knows where we go from there, right? Like because, yeah, I think it's just about getting through the rough patches and telling the best story you can, the most complete story as well.
00:34:05
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Well, on that note, I got pee. All right. Well, you want, we'll pee and then we'll play a quick game. Do you want another drink or? Yeah, I can do another drink.
00:34:15
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All right. Okay, so we're in the wrap-up portion of the show. You're getting a double whammy. Normally, we would only do either or, but we're doing both because we're going extra. The question is, what did you want to do first, buddy? Did you want to read the script or play the game? Let's do the script first. Okay, so this script, this is something I started writing a little bit ago, and it's intentionally supposed to be written by both Steven and myself. What happened to that?
00:34:46
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Well, it's like if you liked it the story we would write it finish it together everything and because this is part of the the script I was telling you or it's like It's the making of the movie and the movie is the movie
00:35:02
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Oh, okay, yeah. All right, so this is First Take Studios Presents in our fictional production studio is First Take Studios. That's definitely us. This will maybe be written by Stephen and Tom.
00:35:24
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which I misspelled your name. I'm leaving, Tom. That's all right. And this hot dog cart is very important to the story. Fade in. Exterior. Saul's hot dog cart. Morning. Standing in a wrinkly suit and tie, Tom spoke at Saul, who stood there holding a bun in one hand and a set of tongs in the other.
00:35:52
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Tom is very late for his morning meeting, but never misses getting a hot dog from Saul's cart, located outside the production studios. You know the thing about good hot dogs? They don't require any condiments. I mean, a really good hot dog isn't even called a hot dog, it's called a sausage. Saul stood there with a vacant stare plastered on his face.
00:36:16
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Though your cart doesn't say Saul's hot dogs. Wait, wait, wait. I don't even know how to read my own writing. Though your cart does say Saul's hot dogs and not Saul's sausages. Saul groaned, sliding the dog into his bun. So mustard, like always? Yes, mustard, mustard, please. Saul spurts mustard all over the hot dog and hands it over to Tom, who gulps down half of it in one bite.
00:36:42
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Don't choke on it. My first aid certificate has expired. A glob of mustard land that's on Tom's shirt as he rushes off, consuming the rest of the dog. Cut to interior, first take studios five minutes later. Tom runs through the studio offices, but pauses. All the staff are missing. The small office space is a boring white and gray, except for a series of posters set along the back offices. Hello? Where the hell is everybody?
00:37:11
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A voice from the back office replies, uh, back here, buddy. Cut to interior Tom and Steve's office. The office was tiny. In fact, it barely fit both their desks in the center effect. Oh, Jesus Christ. It barely fit both their desks in the center. Each had their back against the wall and screens making what looked to be a makeshift cubicle.
00:37:36
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Where the hell were you? I had to get my hot dog. Steve's eyes, the mustard stain. I can tell. You know those things will kill you. Well not soon enough. So you know what happened? Where is everybody?
00:37:52
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Richie is pissed. We decided to recast Lucy. He said he is pulling out all the funding. Tom plumps down in his chair. A small mirror on his desk reflects the mustard stain on his shirt. But she sucks. She has no natural talent. He's fucking her. Of course he's fucking her. Guess we really are in Hollywood now, buddy.
00:38:15
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What else do you think he wants her in the movie so badly? Why else do you think he wants her in the movie so badly? I know she sucks, but maybe we can figure something out. I don't give a fuck if he's the producer or the financier. Fuck that guy. Something has to be said for artistic integrity.
00:38:36
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Well, we gotta fit her in somewhere. How? I mean, Steve Han goes to his head, pulling at his hair. This is part of making it, isn't it? Dealing with these assholes? Tom taps on the desk. Steve pulls at his hair more.
00:38:56
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Stop that or you'll go bald. Speak for yourself. Well, let's talk this through, dude. So Lucy, she can't deliver any emotion. She just, she isn't moving anyone to tears, but goddamn, she's got some great tits. You're a fucking misogynistic prick, you know that? Well, let's use that, man. Accentuate her beauty. Tom stood pointing to the poster on their wall. We fucking made dickhead work. You think we could make this work?
00:39:25
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We have some money and support backing us this time. We pulled miracles out of our asses before. Okay, okay. All right. Maybe we start over, huh? New story? But we already pitched the film. I mean, that's what they agreed to. Ah, fuck that. We can do this, write something better. We can do that. I know we can. Vampires.
00:39:51
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Vampires? Just one. Lucy will be a mute vampire. She'll be running through the woods. Okay, Tom perks up his hands getting animated. An old vampire hunter is chasing her. She's weakened, looking for blood. Her crypt was out in the woods or in the desert or something.
00:40:12
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Was her classic, we can use big bear again. You know, that's a good one. Right, right. Okay, so she runs out of a lonely fog. She runs onto a lonely fog road and nearly gets hit by a truck. A bald fat dude slams into her, sending her flying. He pops his tires breaking, which echoes for the woods, signaling the hunter.
00:40:38
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Right now, we don't think it's the vampire though. She's just maybe like a scared girl running for her life in like a, maybe like a silky see-through white gown, you know, innocence, yes. Yeah, yeah, the driver gets out, he looks all over for what he hit, you know? Blood all over his hood, a high beam's cutting through the fog, a shadowy figure appears behind him.
00:41:03
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Do we cut away to the hunter again or do we, Tom is typing furiously on his laptop now? I think we can do a cut away. I'll cut on the screams as the driver is ripped apart, you know, get some good blood. Hunter arrives just a few moments too late. The driver is still alive, but now, now he's a mangled mess. Okay, exactly. Okay, okay, so.
00:41:32
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Then the driver cries, he's banging for help. Oh, she get me, she bit me. The hunter stands over him, pulls out a log one stick and just drives it into the driver, spraying blood against the headlights. See, we could do a nice little cutaway on the headlights. Yeah, a BAM cutaway, but to what though? Well, what about a house full of ghosts and a fraternity that sends its pledges there as part of their initiation?
00:42:02
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What does this have to do with the vampire? The vampire is going to drain the pledges, and this allows the ghosts to possess their bodies. Okay, so the cast is growing. You realize that, right? We'll need to cast a bunch of new parts. Yeah, yeah, it will be quite the sizable cast, but luckily, the rest of the film can take place in the old sorority house. Okay, maybe an extra large cast.
00:42:28
Speaker
Ghosts, vampires, possessions. Lucy is the lead still though. Well, how do we develop the vampire, like lesbian stuff? You know, that's always a good sell in these markets. God, even your goddamn lesbians. You don't like the lesbians? Buddy, everybody loves them. And you know this might actually be the right time for them. Well, now I like the way you think.
00:42:54
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But we need to get the producer back in here. We have to call him back. All right. You call him. I'll go get sandwiches, everyone. Which I just ate a hot dog, so I don't know. Goddamn. Slow down, Tubby. You thought ahead, huh, buddy? Okay, that's the end of that part one. You know, it's kind of interesting. I was thinking of writing, as I was writing the script, I was writing it as I was trying to think of what your responses would be. So that's how you see me, huh?
00:43:23
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I made you like warm up the purest sense to my misogyny and my perversions. But buddy, what'd you think of the balance to your game? What did you think of that little story there, buddy? Very nice, buddy. So this would be like a film within a film, right? Yeah. That's pretty cool.
00:43:45
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Yeah. How would you, how do you even see it playing? Like is it intercut, jumping back and forth? Is it like one section this, then one section that? Maybe like an anthology type looking thing. The way, the way I had thought of it is it's, we actually make the movie that they're pitching and then we make a making of the movie that's a fake making of the movie. So it would have a section of them pitching it, then us making it. Yeah. Then us making the making of the making of it. Yeah.
00:44:14
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Okay. Yeah. And then it would have the movie too? Yeah. And that could be completely separate from the movie. So it'd have like five different things. Wait, the movie would be its own thing? Like it gets released as a standalone? Yeah. Like we may actually make the movie that we're talking about making in this movie.
00:44:33
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And then we make a fake making of, because we would add extra drama and shit that doesn't actually happen. Yeah, to make it more fun. It's completely on. Yeah. Fictional. Yeah. That was the idea. Fictional documentary. Yes. Fictional real documentary. A real movie that we made. A fictional, non-fictional documentary. Yeah. Damn, if only we did that for Dickhead.
00:44:58
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Whether that would have been great, especially eight years later. Yes, it would have been. Well, buddy, no, we're going to get there. I know it. We're getting there in 2024. It just randomly cuts like a shot of Marianne going like, Jesus fucking Christ. Just smoking on her sweet in the Bahamas. Like, God damn it. Dickhead. Dickhead. That was my green card.
00:45:22
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That was going to get me that Oscar. That was going to get me to America. OK, buddy. Now, as to wrap up the show. Yes. We're going to do some horror movie trivia. See who's big horror. So you're going to have to be. I mean, you're going to need some space because essentially
00:45:47
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I'm gonna need space. You need to collect all the weapons. And there are five weapons. There's a machete. A chainsaw. A chainsaw. A crossbow. An axe. An axe and a cross. There's a cross? I haven't seen any crosses. So you need to get... I found one cross. So yeah, I'm not sure how we're gonna do this. I don't even know how to play this game.
00:46:17
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I don't know either. Why don't we just go first to the first weapon? Seven cards. The first of the first weapon or the first seven answers? Seven answers. Okay, so. But there's two questions on each card, which is confusing. Oh, and then there's two answers though. Yeah. So one of these is going to be harder. So how about we just pick the answer that we will think stumps the other. Ooh, I have an idea.
00:46:46
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What do you think, hold on, what do you think of this? We pick one or two, so we put our fate in our own hands. But isn't two always harder? I don't know. It looks like it's harder. Two on this one is way easier than one. Have you ever seen flatliners, or precious? I've seen flatliners. Or tricksy. That's like verse four to no wait. Kevin, take Lucy, army of darkness, feast. I think two's harder. Okay, so you'll just do one?
00:47:14
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Well, how about you can pick, but two's gotta count for two points? Verse one only counting for one point? Sure. So it's like, well, you can go for the faster route and then we'll do it to 10. Okay. Cause you'll probably get them all right. Okay. Do you have a pen? Well, can't we just put the winning and losing card? But how do you know if you are a one or a two? See, it's getting complicated. Shit, that got complicated real fast, buddy.
00:47:43
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Well, why don't we just do, let's just, let's see, let's just do the second one first always. And if you don't get it, you get a second try with the first question. Okay. How's that? And then it can still be the first to 10 and it hurts one point. And if you fuck up, you gotta take a drink. Yeah. That's a punishment. Cause that sounds too easy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I'll ask you first. Do you want? No, let's do a rock paper scissors. Okay. Okay.
00:48:11
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Rock, paper, scissors. Oh, shit, I went too fast. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I show what I have in this photo. That's how you win, buddy. Wait, is that, are we doing? Is it a rock, paper, scissors? Okay, rock, paper, scissors, because sometimes it's rock, paper, scissors, go or shoot or whatever. Rock, paper, scissors. One, two, three.
Horror Movie Trivia Challenge
00:48:31
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I stab you. One, two, three. Or rock, paper, scissors? Like that. One, two, go. Sure. Okay. One, two, go.
00:48:40
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Okay, I ask first. One thing about living in Santa Carla. Wait, don't we still have to keep the numbers? No. How? We're always asking the second question. Yeah, but what if I only get the first one? Or what if I get none? How are you going to know? You just drink. Every question we can. But are we going to 10? Yeah. So if you don't get any questions right,
00:49:09
Speaker
You just have to drink. Yeah, I know. But how are you going to know if I didn't get, you know, round one right? There's going to be like a pile. The questions are all worth one. All the cards. Okay. You have to get first to 10 cards. Okay. So you have two chances on this card. Okay. One thing about living in Santa Carla, I could never stomach. That's easy. The Lost Boys. See? So you got that one right. I win. Okay.
00:49:36
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In the 1979 film, Tourist Trap, a group of friends are trapped in what establishment? I had no idea. A circus? Maybe I got the harder pile. Do you want me to tell you the answer? Sure, I have no idea. A museum. Tourist Trap. I'll take a drink for that, I guess. Well, hold on. You gotta get the second question. Well, everyone I get wrong, I gotta take a drink, right? No, we don't have that. Everyone you get wrong? Okay.
00:50:05
Speaker
That sounds even more fair. You might get this one. What type of animal terrorizes Jennifer Conley and Daria Argento's phenomena? Ooh, there's a couple things here. I think it's insects or like crickets, but there's also a monkey in that movie. So what's your final answer, mister? It's the bugs. Okay. No, a chimpanzee with a straight razor.
00:50:33
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I knew the monkey. I said that monkey. You did, but you said the boss. No, the monkey protects her. I'll drink. He terrorizes her apparently. The monkey protected her. I saw it. It kills the bad guy. All right. So I'm already two and you're at zero. You're at one. I thought I got two right. Only one so far. No, but doesn't.
00:50:58
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Is it two points or it's just one card? Just one card is one point. Okay, no matter what. Yeah, no matter what. Okay. Let's just make it simple. Goddamn it, you're gonna get this. Seconds are not easier on my- I got like the fucking kindergarten question. In what movie does the government sanction an annual 12-hour period during which all criminal activity is legal? The purge, the purge. The second question's even easier. Also, you get to pick one.
00:51:27
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No, we always ask the second one first. Always the second, okay. Yeah. In the 2006 film Silent Hill, what sound signals the transformation of the town into a nightmarish dimension? It's actually pretty easy. Bells. Church bells. Are you sure that's what you want to go with? Is that your final answer? A horn. What's your final answer? Tell me. A horn. Bells, hordes. Bells. Bells. Yeah.
00:51:55
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It aerates siren. No one knows that. Same thing. Horn. I know it is. That's what I was going to use. Okay, okay. Next question. Okay, you should probably get this, I think. What hangs above Tina's bed at a nightmare on Alp Street? The fuck if I would know that would end. Oh, yeah. Across crucifix. You got it.
00:52:22
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Jesus. Yes, it was Jesus. Oh, God. Oh, this one will be easy. If you don't win, you gotta reevaluate. What 2005 movie involves a group of friends who get trapped in a cave and encounter strange, bloodthirsty creatures? That's one of my favorites, The Descent. Yes. And you know, when I first saw it,
00:52:51
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I only saw the American ending because there's two endings. Yeah. Yeah. Which one did you see first? Do you know? Whichever one where she's blowing out the cake. Oh, yeah, that's the European version, right? Because she spoilers. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Hold on for 30 seconds while she dies. Or she gets lost trapped in the cave. Yeah. No, mine, she escapes the cave. Oh, and then she gets picked up by like a dragon.
00:53:15
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Someone on the side of the road, right? No, no, then she sees her dead friend and that's a jump scare. The one she betrays. Yeah, the Asian one. And then like a semi passes by her and makes the hallucination go away. And then she's just there crying on the side of the road. Nice. Yeah.
00:53:35
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Yeah, because I remember when I watched that movie, I was so fucking freaked out. I had to like watch. I think The Descent's awesome, dude. I had to watch like a happy movie so I could like go to bed. That movie freaked me out. I love The Descent. And you know what? That's an all-female cast. Yep. You know, that's kind of the premise. See?
00:53:54
Speaker
Just make a good movie. Yeah. Just make a fucking good movie. Yeah. That's why when people were shitting on Annihilation, and I'm like, it's like all, it's like 96% female cast. It's like a girl power movie. Just happen to have bear monsters. Okay, go ahead buddy. I'm sorry. Bear monsters? That would be a scary bear monster though. Yeah. So this will be easy and you'll get this.
00:54:22
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What actor stars in the horror comedy, Shaun of the Dead, directed by Edgar Wright? Well, I mean, there's a lot of actors. What, Simon Pang? No. Nick Frost? Of course it's Simon Pang. I was like, you want me to name the whole cast? I don't think he could go further than Nick Frost.
00:54:41
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Yeah, I can. There is Bill Nye, who plays the dad. That's where I stop. Oh, the comedian. Shane Black. He was in Black Books. You know who I'm talking about? Dylan Thomas? I don't know his name. I don't know his name. Oh, this actually could be a hard one.
00:55:07
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Subjects believe they are part of a study on insomnia and end up being terrorized by Hugh Crane's ghost in what 1999 film? Hugh Crane? Wait, read the first sentence. Subjects believe they are part of a study on insomnia and end up being terrorized by Hugh Crane's ghost in what 1999 film? Sorry, I think Liam Neeson is one. Oh, thank you. God, that's a remake.
00:55:37
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House on Haunted Hill, no. House on a hill, though. Haunted House. You're getting close. House on Mansion Hill.
00:55:51
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Do you give up? Yeah, damn it. It's the haunting. You are so close. Yeah, that's a remake. You're definitely gonna get the second question, though. A fucking dead animal could get this one. Junon was the inspiration for what American horror film? The Grudge. Did you ever see Junon? I have, yeah. It's very... Honestly, I think they're both pretty scary. I think The Grudge is better because it's a movie where Junon's just a collection of different stories. Of the ghosts in the house, yeah.
00:56:22
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Man, Juwan's pretty fucking scary, man. I don't know. There's something about that, like... Early 2000s Japanese horror movie. Yeah, terrifying. That, like, 90s, 2000s, like, Pulse, just the way they filmed and everything? Yeah, Pulse is fucking... That movie's fucking scary. Yeah, man. Anyways, you're gonna get this one. Hi, I'm Chuck. You wanna play? What's the question? That's the question. What is that movie? Oh, Child's Play.
00:56:48
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I was like, OK, yeah, you want to play play with it. Oh, well, if you have to have seen this movie to get this question, I don't know. What day does Tree have to relive over and over in the 2017 movie Happy Death Day? What tree?
00:57:10
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Her name is Tree. What does she have to live? What day does Tree have to relive over and over in the 2017 movie Happy Death Day? Her birthday? I'll take that. What is it? The day of her murder on her birthday. Okay. So it's her birthday, which is her murdered. Okay, look.
00:57:34
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Damn, where are you at? You're getting close. You're at four? Sometimes the second one's easier. You're at five. You're halfway there. Sometimes the second one's easier. And then sometimes the first one's easier. So how about we ask the harder ones? Sure. I'll go for the easy one first for you so I seem fair. I'm a loser.
00:57:57
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even though you're only down by one. Two, no, wait, I lost one, you lost one, right? No, you're at five. You have not missed. And you're at four. This is the easy one. And then I'll tell you the first one, which I think is harder. What is the name of the sequel to Ridley Scott's Alien? Aliens? Yes. That's what I'm saying. But here's the first one. Oh, well, I guess this is pretty easy too.
00:58:26
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But this one feels harder, literally. Which actress plays a psychotherapist who enters the mind of a comatose serial killer in the 2000 film, The Cell? That's Jennifer Lopez or whatever. Exactly. But which one seems harder? The Jennifer Lopez one. Right? Yeah, that's definitely harder. So we'll let you pick. Dealer's choice and then you take a drink and then you lose. Okay. So ask me whatever's the hardest.
00:58:54
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Wolfman's Got Nards. Oh, shit. Name the movie. I wouldn't know this one instantly, so I thought... Wolfman's Got Nards? Wolfman's Got Nards. I have no idea. It's the Monster Squad. You've never seen it? What the fuck's a Monster Squad? It's like the Avengers, but for Universal Monsters, it's actually pretty good. Is it like Toxic Avengers? No. It's like...
00:59:25
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All the universal monsters come to a small town to like sacrifice a virgin girl or something. In the movie, okay, here's your second question. This one is gonna be tricky because it's asking for a very specific thing that I don't think it's ever really mentioned in the movie. In the movie 28 Days Later, what was the name of the virus that turned most people in the flesh eating zombies?
00:59:50
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And 28 days later? Yeah. What's the name of the virus? Yeah. The rage virus? Yeah. Oh yeah. What was it? The rage. Oh, okay. I don't know why. Like, I remember being like, we got the rage, man. We got the rage. And then they go crazy. I miss that part. He gave me the rage, bro. I got the rage in my eye. Oh, you won't get this one.
01:00:16
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Actually, if you get this one, this would be very impressive. It actually, I've been like, damn buddy, okay, you know your shit. What genetically created mutant breed of insect tries to destroy mankind in the 1997 film Mimic? They're cockroaches? Yeah. I had no idea. I love that movie. It's Guillermo del Toro. Who the fuck's on Mimic?
01:00:46
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I did. I did it in theaters twice. Mirrors of Venus in it, right? Oh, God, this one's too easy. I would never... You are... You're getting this card no matter what. So let's ask the hard one, I guess. Oh, fuck. This is the easiest card in existence. Just know that this... Just remember, this is the hard question. What movie contains a scene in which a father chases his son around a hedge mage with an axe?
01:01:15
Speaker
Oh, The Shining. Yes. What's the first one? I see dead people name that movie. That's the easiest card ever. What is the name of that movie? The success. See the drugs out. All right. Let's see. You're at seven, buddy. Wow, that is way too easy.
01:01:40
Speaker
I'll read you this one because it's way too easy, but I'm gonna give you the harder one. Okay. I haven't read it though. After dying in the electric chair and making a deal with the devil Horace Pinker, Pinker continues his murderous ways in what 1989 film directed by Wes Craven? The Thinner. Shocker. I have no idea.
01:02:03
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Was it called Shocker? Yeah, it was called Shocker. But here's the first one. In 2007, Rob Zombie directed what remake about a young Michael Myers? Young Michael Myers, huh? Was that called like an Easter?
01:02:23
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Jesus. I guess people could get that wrong. People that have never... Not the people we know. We'll put it that way. Not the people we fraternize with. You got one that beat me, huh? I'll need a refill if that's the case. This is an interesting one. He has a smile. What was the name of the killer and mortician in the movie Phantasm? I don't know, yeah. The Tall Man.
01:02:51
Speaker
Okay, you probably get this one. I think I've seen Phantasm once and I fell asleep. It's pretty good. No, it was good. Wasn't that with the little people that attacked the car? Yeah, they're like little dwarves. Yeah, I watched it three times and I fell asleep each time.
01:03:08
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It's, yeah, it's actually pretty good, I think. I listened to the audio biography of the guy that wrote it, or the guy that made it. Okay, so what post-apocalyptic horror TV series is based off the comic book series created by Robert Kirkman. Can you repeat that? Yeah. I thought it was your turn. Oh, this is the other question, huh? Yeah, this is the second question. Okay. Because you didn't get the phantasm question right.
01:03:37
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What post-apocalyptic horror TV series is based off the comic book series created by Robert Kirkman? Oh, that's gonna be The Last of Us. No, no, no, no. I'm sorry, Walking Dead. Yes, correct. Oh, but that's still a drink. Oh, you might not know this one. Okay, I'm ready. Ooh. Interesting. Damn, I think both of these would be interesting to see if you get. So I'll go with maybe what's the hardest one, because I don't know it.
01:04:08
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What 1970s pop music icon starred as Nicky and David Cronenberg's video drone? I definitely haven't even heard of that person. I think so. I've seen video drone, but I don't. Is that with James Woods? Yes. And he puts video tapes in his stomach. I don't think I got that far. Because there's like people that are like trying to control his mind.
01:04:36
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And he sees like weird sex tapes that have. What? Yeah. It's like, he sees like weird sex tapes and then he imagines putting the tape inside of his body. And he's living the sex tape? Yeah.
01:04:51
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I have no idea. That's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. I've always heard video drums great. It's pretty good. I saw it and I fell asleep immediately. It's like this guy is sending you tapes, but he's dead. So it's his daughter sending the tapes, but he's alive in the videos or something. It's fucking weird. But I don't know. And that's what from the 80s, right? Yeah. David Bowie.
01:05:14
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Deborah Harry. Oh, I have no idea. You've heard the name though, right? I actually don't think I know any heart. Deborah Harry. I probably wouldn't know a song. No idea. I don't know people. I probably know the song. Yeah, you're right. I don't know music. Damn.
01:05:31
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Okay. What about this? This is interesting. You might get this because you know what it's from. Okay. I'll put it that way. Okay. That's probably a big hit. What movie's tagline was just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water? It's Jaws, right? Yes, it is. Yeah. No, that's not Jaws. What? Go back in the water? Clearly it's a sequel of some sort.
01:05:59
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Is it Jaws 2? Are you just throwing a number out there? Just when he thought it was safe to go back in the water. It's not Jaws, it's not even a shark movie, I don't think. I know, I've heard it. It's not Jaws, huh? I don't know.
01:06:20
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What's your answer? Come on, you gotta just throw something out there. Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water. Just give me anything, man. Come on. Just give me something, man. I'll just give it to you. Just give me something. Lake Placid is what popped in my head. No, Jaws 2. Oh.
01:06:36
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I psyched myself out of it. You don't have to take a drink from that. I'm going to do it. Okay. Trust. Oh, this one actually might scoop you up because it's a tough one. It's a quote. Trust is a tough thing to come by these days. Is there more to the quote? That's it. Trust is the
Discussion on Classic Films and Directors
01:06:58
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thing. Yes. Really?
01:07:01
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You want to know what the easy question was? What is the name of the evil company in the Resident Evil movie franchise? Just give me an umbrella.
01:07:11
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Umbrella Corporation, you got it wrong. Okay, go. You know, it's a movie I always see about the Chernobyl umbrellas of Chernobyl. Oh, Sherberg? Umbrellas of Sherberg? Or whatever. Yeah. I think about that movie a lot. That was a fucking... That one really stuck with me. You know, in 2020, last year I watched, for the first time I watched Singing in the Rain.
01:07:33
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Yeah, I've never seen singing in a movie. That movie is fucking incredible. Yeah. Incredible. I mean, it's considered one of the greats, right? The most iconic scenes. I don't know why it's one of the criteria. Is that Gene Kelly? Yeah. Gene Kelly just dancing in the rain? Mm-hmm. Gene Kelly was amazing. Well, not only it's, it's, but it's Babylon. Yeah, okay. They show singing in the rain in Babylon at the end, right? Yeah, because singing in the rain is about
01:08:00
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silent movie actors moving into talkies and they don't have, they can't act. So they overdub their voices with this girl and the girl is like, I wanna be the star, blah, blah, blah, blah. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That sounds way deeper than I thought a movie singing in the rain would be about.
01:08:24
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Yeah. Oh, it's actually amazing. Chazelle has been chasing... It's like if Chazelle got to make the perfect movie, he would have made Singing in the Rain. Really? Because he's been trying to make that movie since he's been making movies. Really? Yeah. You should watch it. Does it make your top five? No.
01:08:43
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Really it's a musical. It's like nine hours long Okay. Oh, yeah, probably it's really good. No, I believe I'm just that makes me really want to see it now It's really good. I mean, it's always one of it again. It's like that challenging movie. It's like Okay. Well if you want to know about cinema Seeing it in the rains one, I think it's a movie that has to be watched by every single person Do you think is in movies? What about Ben her? I was a big one. I never seen it me either or Lawrence
01:09:12
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of Arabia never seen me either well buddy what's the next question does Kubrick have movies like that and which ones Kubrick yeah that have to be seen yeah 2001 dr. strange love The Shining I think everyone should also watch Barry Lyndon
01:09:33
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Pretty much, and yeah, Clark Orange, like every single Kubrick movie I think needs to be watched except for Fear and Desire, which is his first one. I'm surprised you didn't mention, I mean, you said every movie, but I'm surprised you didn't mention my name, Eyes Wide Shut. Yeah, but I think that one is probably the least of all of his filmography, because I think that one is very specific for just like more like intelligent people.
01:10:02
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I don't know. It's just a weird movie because it's one of those weird, it's one of those movies where it just gets better every time you watch it. It's kind of like a Kubrick fans film, right? Yeah. It's like if you like Kubrick, check this movie out. Once you watch Doctor Strangelove and once you watch those movies, you will just keep enjoying it more and more and more. You know who has a crazy one though? Sorry for no tangent. The Coen brothers.
01:10:24
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Yes. Right. Go watch No Country and watch Raising an Arizona. Yeah. Or then watch A Serious Man or whatever that one is with... He'd be like, what? Which one's the one with Billy Bob Thornton? A Simple Man or... They did that one? Mm-hmm. Where he's... He bangs Scarlett Johansson. What? Billy Bob Thornton. It's like a black and white movie. Is that the one where he kills a guy at the end?
01:10:51
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Yes, Scarlett Johansson's not in that. He has sex with Scarlett Johansson. Isn't she just a kid? Oh, yep, and then he gets abducted by aliens.
01:11:04
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Okay, that's a different movie. Yeah. No, I was thinking where Billy Bob got his start. Oh, that's a simple plan. You're right. That's not Coen Brothers. No, Sam Raimi did. Yeah, simple plan's amazing. Yeah. No, but I thought you were talking about that. Oh, that's... That's... Yeah.
01:11:29
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My mama wouldn't do that. Mm hmm. Yeah. Sling blade. Sling blade. That's a really good one. Yeah. Sling blade's pretty good. That's a great movie. All right, buddy. Ask your question. All right. Oh, that's too easy. Oh, this is a cute one. This 1990 movie about an infestation of murderous spiders features John Goodman and Jeff Daniels. Arachnophobia. Yep.
01:11:59
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What's the other question? Uh, in what movie do the survivors use Petri dishes with blood samples and I heated the thing wired to deter? Yeah, I didn't even finish. Set in nine, in 1630s New England, what 2015 movie involves an English farmer and his family who relocates to a forest which lurks an unknown evil?
01:12:24
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Oh, um, the witch? The witch. Well, buddy, that's 10 cards. You win. I win. Hold on. Let me see how many. Really? I got 10. I got a lot wrong, didn't I? Yeah, but you always got the second question right. Oh, yeah. You're not even close to winning, buddy. You won, buddy.
01:12:42
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Wait, yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry, buddy. Hey, I was gonna give you a redemption round, but I got there. I got some hard ones, man. I think you definitely got the harder ones of the two. You've got some of the easiest ones.
Conclusion and Sponsor Mention
01:12:57
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01:13:12
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