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TSP Ep 121 Part 1: Recap of Oscar 2024 Winner w/Special Guest Jared Reyes
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In this episode, Tom and Steve are graced with film aficionado, Jared Reyes, and they discuss the winners that they remember. At the very least you can listen to Jared's sultry man voice!
So come along with us as we discuss a thing or two!
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Transcript
Podcast Guest Lineup
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You know inducted into this family of twin shadow people Yeah And you know, it's some pretty cool names in that list Yeah, it's so pretty not so cool names. Okay, we've had we've been lucky we've had uh I think there's only been one person that comes on. It's always awesome No, that's not true. There are two people everyone who comes on always amazes me. We'll put it that way. That's true. I
00:00:27
Speaker
I listened to this podcast where these British comedians talk about like dream menus, like food, the best food you've ever had. And they got Dan Aykroyd to show up once. And the whole time he just talked about his Crystal Skull vodka and how delicious it was and all the stories about him mixing up drinks with Crystal Skull vodka at his vacation homes, numerous vacation homes. And then at the end of the podcast, he said, good luck with your project, boys.
00:00:56
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And this podcast had been running for like four years and it's one of the most successful ones. I would have him drink with me. Yeah. Skull. Skull Gristle. Drink from the skull. Oh yeah. He'd make you pay for it too.
00:01:09
Speaker
He wouldn't give you a bottle. I could talk with Dan Acker about aliens for a long time. He wouldn't, he'd just talk about his vodka. Yeah, but I would make it about aliens every time. I'd be like, do you think aliens would like your crystal vodka? And he'd be like, yes, aliens would like my crystal vodka. I am a crystal vodka drinker. And I'd be like, oh, well, would aliens put crystal vodka in my butt? And he would be like, aliens would put crystal vodka in your butt. Yeah.
00:01:37
Speaker
They would put it in your hut and you can drink it with King Tut.
Introduction to Twin Shadows Podcast
00:01:44
Speaker
Welcome to the Twin Shadows podcast. This is a podcast about film filmmakers and you're joined as always by your two co-hosts, Tom and Steve. And today you're getting spoiled again with a special guest. We have a special guest after a special guest, so you're welcome. And today we have
00:02:02
Speaker
All right, good buddy, Jared. And Jared, do you want your last name said? Yeah, I want you to say it without, oh, you looked it up. I was like, I can't remember what his name is now. I want you to say it without looking at your phone. Jared, I apologize. Jared Reyes.
00:02:20
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't know you guys did a rolling start there. I didn't know you were already recording. Was all that Dan Aykroyd stuff? Yeah, that's going to be an opening of the show. Love it. Yeah, welcome to Twin Shadows podcast. I don't know if you ever listen to our show, not that you have to, but I guess it felt it. I'm a big fan.
00:02:39
Speaker
But, you know, I recommend this is starting fantastically.
Jared Reyes on Aging and Life Reflections
00:02:42
Speaker
All right. So, yeah, we're going to start off as we always do with, you know, our personal intros about how, you know, our week was and if we saw anything new or interesting. Stephen, don't go first. Why don't we go with Jared over here since he's our special guest. And yes, of course, you can always go first. Yeah. Yes.
00:03:01
Speaker
Well, thank you. Did I see anything interesting? On the movie front, no, I meant to do a little bit of catch up for this thing, but, you know, life got in the way and...
00:03:13
Speaker
things didn't work out, but I hope that doesn't reflect poorly on me as a person going forward. I hope people don't revolt, cancel their subscription to this podcast or however that works. People. Singular. It's literally me. I edit it. I hope you enjoy it.
00:03:37
Speaker
And if you do listen, let us know. And buy our shirt. Yeah, we don't have shirts. But whatever. Okay, so yeah. So personally, you're doing all right. Then you said you were busy. You couldn't watch a movie. So is everything, you know, going a-okay then? Yeah, it's going all right. I'm just trying to get my back figured out. I got some back pain. You know, we're all at that age where things start creaking. Things don't work like they used to work.
00:04:06
Speaker
A lot of things have failed me many times. Ever look at stairs in a new light? Can I make it all the way up? I really have to think, like, how badly do I want to stand up right now? Yeah, I'm really thankful for wheelchairs. I mean, like, from my desk, you know, and other wheelchairs. I mean, it's a great invention. I can't wait. I'm looking forward to my day.
00:04:34
Speaker
I'm already picked out my van and everything. Gotta get one of those astro-vans, you know? I could live out of it too, cause I'll probably almost- Oh, you would. Still podcasting. Rolling man in the van. Oh shit, I'm sorry. Write that down. What about you?
Exploring the Dune Series
00:04:58
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I cut you off at Dune 2. Yeah, I saw it.
00:05:03
Speaker
Did you see it, Jared? I've not seen the first one. I'm not too... I don't know anything about Doom. Like I never read the books. So the hype didn't catch me. Interesting. If you want to do an episode on Tom Explains, dude, because I never read the books. I saw the films and I don't understand shit, especially the first one. Yeah. I feel like those
00:05:29
Speaker
There are more of a visual experience. Okay, this is what I know about Dune. Okay, Spice is what everyone wants. There's a Prince Godboy who everyone looks up to because he is Spice Lord.
00:05:48
Speaker
There's giant worms. Somebody's mom is secretly pulling the strings, I think. Something like, no, no, no, no, no. There's a race of powerful ladies who are super smart or something. Quite a bit. You got doing more than most. I think you actually might know it better than me. That's all I know. That's, yeah. I mean, I don't know about Spice Lord.
00:06:14
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There's something with him. He's like special. He's like special. He's the god boy, something. He's the same person reincarnated. Is that what it is? He's reincarnated? No. I have no fucking clue, man. No, he's the Messiah, right? He's the Kwisatz Haderach or whatever. He is prescient, like he can see the future and he can communicate with all his past lives. So is he the only one who can see the future?
00:06:43
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A lot of people can kind of see the future, but he can see it the best. He's the best future seer guy. Well, that's a very, that'd be very useful, I think. Yeah. You could just see the future a little bit. Cause like the way the, like the prescience works, right? It's like he's seeing like all the, there's like, the problem is you don't just see like the future. You see like every future. That's possible. Yeah. But he gets to see the one that's like,
00:07:10
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he like it's like a like a helper you know it's like this is probably the best one like there's infinite so let's kind of go this way yeah that's pretty cool that's useful too yeah it's like well you never gonna lose a battle once you see yourself i already have won it imagine if you lose it though oh yeah i have a question sorry so he can see into the future yeah how far
00:07:33
Speaker
Pretty fucking far, man. Like 10,000 years, I think? Oh, really? So, okay. Oh, damn. So he's bullshitting everyone. Because you can't check his work. There are some things that are blocked from him, and that's because there's other weird witches doing weird witchy stuff, you know? Witchy stuff to him? Yeah. I'm spoiling too much of the newer stuff. Oh, these are spoilers? Trust me, you're not spoiling anything. Just set it up for us. Okay. What am I talking about?
00:08:02
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His far sight? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he can see, but he doesn't get to see like, it's not always like perfect. So like he misses some important things. I'm just walking around the spoilers now.
00:08:17
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But that's his ability, right? Yeah, but he can also communicate with all the past male and females of his line. So the Bene Gesserit, the witches, they can do it as well, but only with the females. Special ladies. Yeah, which are like, they do weird breeding things. And he's the only man, right?
00:08:35
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Yeah, he's the only man and because men are the best. You know, men can see the future. Okay. Jesus. We lack foresight more than anything. I mean, I think that's why he's a, you know, the bad guy in the, in the movie. Yep. All right. Well, that's a Dune. Yeah. That's pretty much.
00:08:58
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Yep, there was, now it was. So do you guys do thumbs up, thumbs down? Thumbs up, definitely. Thumbs up. Danny Valinue is a good filmmaker. He's, yeah, he's one of the best, I think. And I think one of the best, one of the things I like the most about Dune, both of them, is the scale he was able to capture. Oh yeah. It's pretty damn amazing. Especially if you watch it on the big screen. Did you watch it in IMAX?
00:09:25
Speaker
Fuck no, that shit was too expensive. We went to the Civic Plaza where the big screen, but it was super dark and there's like a burnt spot in the center. But it was like 10 bucks each. That was just the sun and dune, bro.
00:09:42
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No, but yeah, watching that, the way he captures scale, like you said, and the visual contrasts are pretty nice. I didn't love it, but I think it was pretty good. Yeah, it was definitely really good. I give it... One of the better films being made, right? It's so funny watching that when everyone just was talking about Oppenheimer. I was like, Oppenheimer is just...
00:10:11
Speaker
Like I said, Oppenheimer's just all money. That movie is just literally money thrown at the screen. Yeah. Good or bad, that's what it is, I think. Weren't they the same budgets? Yeah, probably. No, no way. Dune had to have a much lesser budget. You think? Yeah, because Oppenheimer was what, $200 million? You gotta buy all that film for Oppenheimer. IMAX stock, bro, that's expensive.
00:10:38
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I think the cast is probably 70% of that movie's budget. Definitely, man. They bought all their awards. But in a sense, shouldn't it be...
00:10:54
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Nevermind, no expression thought. Incomplete thought. This might be skipping ahead, but- There's no skipping, it's just- I'm so, can I curse on this thing?
Oscars and the Biopics Trend
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I'm so fucking sick of biopics cleaning up at the Oscars.
00:11:11
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Yes, I'm so it's like yeah there some of these are like really good movies and whatnot, but there are so many other great movies with like a great artistic vision that are Completely original stories that people work hard on That they're just like oh well They just told the story about this real dude who really lived and all they had to do was you know read his fucking Autobiography and then they wrote the script
00:11:35
Speaker
Yeah, they just had to go to his Wikipedia page and ask JT to write the script. Exactly. But there's people out there like... Yeah, I'm with you Jared 100%. I'm so fucking sick of biopic equaling like artsy fartsy film. Yeah. To like, oh, it's a biopic about Napoleon. It must be artsy fartsy, super. It's like, man,
00:11:59
Speaker
What happened to Good Will Hunting? You know, like, where's the Good Will Hunting from the world? And that's what past lives kind of was.
00:12:07
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Oh, really? Yeah. It was like that sweet little personal story. It was like a, it's like a more of an auto bio biopic. Where's, where's that made? Is that a US or a Korean? A US. Really? A24. Produced it. Produced it. But who made it? I don't know. I think she's, I don't know, Canadian or some shit. I don't know.
00:12:32
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I have no idea. The film takes place in New York and Korea and a little bit of Canada. Okay.
00:12:44
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Was it good? Very good. I liked it. Did you see that, Jared? That was the homework that I skipped out on. I really wanted to see it because you were talking it up the night of the Oscars. So I was like, man, that's the one I really need to see. I'll continue to talk that film up. I think it was pretty interesting. I saw a frame and it looked pretty. That's real pretty. It is very nice cinematography. Oh, that looks like a good film. I should watch that. You know, and good tie editing.
00:13:07
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I, you know, I always will say, and I'll say it, I love a movie that ain't afraid to show your actors their backs. You know, where a scene where it's just like you're just like watching from behind them and they're just talking and they're just out of frame. Like, I love that. Like, you know, a movie I always think about with that is the Sofia Coppola Lost in Translation. You see a lot of back. I love that movie.
00:13:39
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God damn it. That was tough. That was tough. I deal with that movie. For the first minute and a half? I love the whole thing. I love that movie. Yeah. It's a very good movie. Sorry. We're drinking some Chivas, you know, in honor of a, you know, a Hunter Thompson channel. We'll see a Chivas man. He is a Chivas man. Yes, sir. Chivas and ice.
00:14:06
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And ether. Okay, we got really off track there. I'm sorry. I think that was my fault. So this is a Oscars recap thing. Wait, how? Well, fuck it. It's an Oscars recap thing that we're talking about. Plus Jared. Yeah. Oscars retrospective. Oscars retrospective. Yeah. Oscars post-mortem.
00:14:36
Speaker
Sure. So do you guys remember any of the winners? You want to go down the list and see if we remember who won? Do you want me to go from like back to top? Memory game. Whichever one looks sexier. Best visual effects went to Godzilla. Oh, well, that's an awesome one, right? That may not have been the right choice, but I love that it was the choice.
00:15:02
Speaker
Honestly, it probably was the right choice. It was pretty damn amazing. It had some insane VFX. I do agree with a lot of the issues that you have with the story and the sluggishness and the melodramatic of it. That's Godzilla. I gotta say, once Godzilla gets going, Godzilla, dude, Jesus.
00:15:27
Speaker
I feel like once that movie starts, it just doesn't stop and it feels so cool. As soon as they start mining the sea and it turns into jaws, that was perfect. And then the music, when she sees it, the Godzilla for the first time, like outside the subway cart, it's like... And she's just like, oh fuck, I'm dead.
00:15:56
Speaker
Well, never mind. If you haven't seen it, no spoilers. Yeah, no spoilers. But yeah, that's a great one, right? The creator was up too. Yeah.
00:16:09
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I thought that was pretty good. I thought the creator was great. I love when the, when sci-fi isn't afraid to go in the daytime. Yeah. And the creator had a lot of, it did have a lot of night, but they were some good gorgeous, like when they're in the rice patties. Yeah. Honestly, I think it's kind of a, that's the competition there for that one. Yeah. Best sound. Oh, Jared, any thoughts on Godzilla? It was beautiful. Beautiful.
00:16:39
Speaker
No. Should not see that one. Are you a Godzilla guy? Not too much, but I'm not against the idea of learning to become a Godzilla guy.
Godzilla Films: Action vs Plot
00:16:53
Speaker
It's not something that really gets at me. I would love it. I love movies like that. Pacific Rim was one of my favorites. Have you ever seen the first one? The one with Matthew Broderick.
00:17:08
Speaker
No. Oh, I get it. The original? The old black and white one? Yeah. 54, 56. I haven't seen it all the way through, but I've like seen the clips of like the
00:17:23
Speaker
Oh, dude, if you want to get like, see if Godzilla is good, you got to watch the original. And I think once you see that, you're like, yeah, that's cool. It's pretty good. You know, when minus one comes out, we should do a Godzilla, the original Shin minus one. I think it goes in that order, too.
00:17:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. But I don't start off with a minus one bro. Don't start off with that. No, that's watch the original first. That's the one that's going to wake everyone up. You know what, you know, it's my problem. I've seen all the bad Godzilla movies.
00:17:57
Speaker
Like I saw the man. There's a lot of them. Yeah. I saw the, uh, I, well the, the Hollywood ones, basically. Those are the ones. Oh, those are bad too. Yeah. You know, the, the monster verse, like the one that came out a few years ago with, uh, Godzilla versus Kong. Yeah. You know, there's another one coming out too at the end of this month and I'm going to watch it. I'm taking Luke, dude. It's going to be so bad.
00:18:25
Speaker
But yeah, but still, even though like the storylines are so God awful, they make those fights fun as fuck. It's like going, I mean, I know you're a UFC guy, but I mean, I'm sure it doesn't even get close to matching that kind of excitement, but it's kind of like going to watch a good Rocky fight, you know? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think you're going to Godzilla for character development.
00:18:47
Speaker
No, but that's the thing. That's why the top three are the top three. Yeah, they really are. Is because they're the ones with actually the best characters, because a lot of people like to be traditionally God, so they should have bad characters and dumb storylines like. And no, no, it works both ways quite well.
00:19:07
Speaker
I think when you have a good storyline, good characters and good Godzilla, you have a really good fucking movie. Well, that's just like excusing like mediocrity. Like, oh, it's okay. It's supposed to be bad. Like, no, you can, you can write a good story and still have a kick-ass fight scene. Oh, that's what I've been telling people about Zack Snyder for years.
00:19:30
Speaker
If only he could write. Let me ask you buddy. Yeah. Does King Kong rank as a Kaiju? He does, right? In a sense. Yeah, absolutely. But I would say maybe not in some ways because he's actually kind of small. Original King Kong. It's not about the size, buddy. Let me tell you, it's not about the size, okay? I'm just saying, original King Kong ain't that big. Yeah, he's not that big.
00:19:53
Speaker
Yeah, like, it takes him a while to climb up the Empire State Building. Godzilla could, like, fucking... He is the Empire State Building. Yeah, he is the Empire State Building. It's like... But let me actually ask you this. Yeah. What's the better original film? King Kong or Godzilla? You know the answer. Godzilla. Really? You think so? Oh, yeah.
00:20:16
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I'd say King Kong. There's nothing as strong as that scene in the original Godzilla. There's some really powerful moments when the families resign to death and they're like, we're going to be with daddy soon. Don't worry, we're just going to be with daddy. And then Godzilla kills him.
00:20:36
Speaker
And it's like fuck man. I just wanted to watch the hey please your dance around Like what the fuck, you know, like if you like if you that's what the Godzilla you've never seen and then you watch Like all the fun Godzilla's where you know, he's he's fun. He's a good dad, you know, she's a good dad or whatever I Don't know. I'm not gonna assume Godzilla's gender Their gender, I don't know Just that, you know Godzilla in and around
00:21:04
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I guess they're talking about 98. It's for sure a woman. The 98 Godzilla. Oh yeah. Weren't there eggs? Matthew Broderick. They're like, Oh no, it's a Godzilla asexual. I don't know. I haven't seen that movie in a long time, but that movie recently has a really special magic.
00:21:26
Speaker
It makes you kind of feel wet in New York. You ever been wet in New York? Yeah, it does. Wow, it's a little bit better than I realized. That's all I'll say about that movie though. And genre no, doing the Godzilla thing with the fire. Fucking brilliant.
00:21:57
Speaker
All right, well. That one and for sound. That was a zone of interest. Zone of interest one for sound, which I thought that was the biggest no brainer in ever, no brain. Yeah, I saw some zone of interest. And I guess, I don't know.
00:22:15
Speaker
The sound was great. So what was it about the sound that made it stand out so much? The sound told a story. Exactly. But does that count though? Absolutely. It's like the opposite of a silent film. Because they use the sound very much as a storytelling device.
00:22:34
Speaker
So is it something where like they're showing one thing on the screen, but it's like the sound shows that something very different is going on. The film is essentially a documentary of the family lived outside of Auschwitz. And it's, you hear all the sounds of Auschwitz, you hear the boilers running, you hear the furnace.
00:22:52
Speaker
You see the furnace smoke in the background and they literally are describing the families just talking like, oh, like this new oven will burn 500 at a time in a rotating circle of four. And it's like, and then you just hear shots, gunshots in the background, like pop, pop, pop, pop. And then it's like the kids are like dancing in the pool. And they never show any like imagery at all. There's almost no violence in the movie at all. I see. That's very interesting.
00:23:19
Speaker
Yeah. And just how normal and like mute the family had become to it. Because at one point in the film, the grandma comes to stay with them and she can't even stay there for like two days.
00:23:36
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Cause it's like all you hear at night is just moaning and just gasping all night. And that she's just like putting headphones in and like trying to block out the light. Cause you just see the burning furnaces. Their room is orange, right? From the furnace glow. Like that's how close they are. And like the family is just, they're completely oblivious to it, completely numb to it.
00:24:02
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Yeah. And it's like, that's just the depiction of that and the story told through the sound is like, fuck, how can we get there? You can't imagine it. Like when you're watching it, it's like you almost can't imagine it. Well, you can't, right? But then you're like, it's true. And that's fucking fuck. And it's just like that on display.
00:24:27
Speaker
And it's so mundane. Like they're so normal. And you're like, how could evil be so normal? Like they should be in a dungeon with like Satan fucking them in the ass, you know, or something. Well, I mean, now that that's probably going on. Oh, with Satan. Yeah. Yeah. Satan's definitely, definitely ramming something up there right now. Yeah. I mean, you got to figure none of those people are still around. Maybe, maybe, maybe the kids.
00:24:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I think the dude, Rudolf Hess's wife didn't die until 89. Jesus Christ. Of course. Right? And she's just as complicit. Oh, yeah. I mean, the kids, I don't know, man. I seen Damien before. I mean, I seen the omen. Yeah. That kid looked a little German to me.
00:25:20
Speaker
You know, but that's how it starts and you know, and then it's like everyone's just like, you know Be pretty soon. There's just camps of people. It's like fucking nuts Best short live-action. Let's go into it. Okay. Hey, hey, okay I saw all of these. Yeah, how did you see them first place? Yeah, this is a great fucking topic good. Yeah
00:25:43
Speaker
So the local movie theater actually did a run of all of the short nominees. So the short live actions and then an intermission and then did the best short animated films. I'm going to be honest with you guys, I left after like the second animated film because I was just like, I don't like this as much. Well, because how long of an event was it? It was four hours.
00:26:05
Speaker
It was four hours, so I sat through the short. I think all of the live action shorts were fucking brilliant. I think they were all great. I went back and forth on which one I liked the most, but I think the one I liked the most was Night of Fortune. I think it was a Danish film. It was like an older gentleman who was
00:26:31
Speaker
seeing his wife for the last time or something like that in a funeral home. And he was having a hard time saying goodbye. So before he looked like in her casket, he went to the restroom and met another man who's having an issue saying goodbye to his wife. So it was like a story of these two lonely men sort of finding each other and helping them through this hard time. And it's got some humor in there and the cinematography I think was really good. I think some of the shots they got were really powerful and good. I really liked that one a lot.
00:27:02
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But it didn't win, it lost to... And the after was really good too, the after... It lost to the after? No, no, no, no. The after was my second favorite one. Oh, okay. It was set in the UK about a man who loses his family and then the aftermath of that, what he goes through after that. And the reason why this one caught me was towards the end of that one, he does this...
00:27:26
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guttural, just from the depth of your soul cry that felt so real. You know, one of those that you're just like making disgusting noises and you can't breathe and he did one of those that looked so real to me that I was like, oh, like that is one of the best crying scenes I've seen in anything on film. So that one really caught me overall. I don't think it was that great. We had a kid. Remember that guy that auditioned for Dickhead? He did that.
00:27:56
Speaker
Remember that guy? Oh. Oh, yeah. How could you forget? Yeah, that's what you mean. The screamer. Oh, sorry. But the one that won was the wonderful world of Harry Sugar or whatever, right? Harry Sugar, yeah. Do you think that deserved it at all? The Wes Anderson one, right? On the night of the Oscars, I was pissed. I was like, what?
00:28:16
Speaker
But the more I thought about it, I was like, it was very well done. It was the perfect amount of Wes Anderson at this point. All the performances were really good. It had Def Patel. It had, who was the main guy? It was Benedict Cumberbatch. There's a lot of good people. The story was pretty interesting. It was a rolled doll. It was a rolled doll story about a guy who learns to see without his eyes so he can gamble and cheat. So, I don't know.
00:28:43
Speaker
But it was like it was very Wes Anderson. Think about Wes Anderson and think about the kind of thing he makes. And you could probably picture it in your mind. Did you ever see Asteroid City? Yes. Was it similar to Asteroid City? I liked it better than everything he's done for the last such. It was closer to like a Grand Budapest hotel to me. I thought the Grand Budapest hotels like
00:29:13
Speaker
That's my best one. I agree. But it wasn't it wasn't that well understood. Yeah, it was it was it was more like that than it was asteroid city.
00:29:23
Speaker
Is it because it's a short that it's kind of perfect because you can only take so much Wes Anderson? That's why I said it's the right amount of Wes Anderson. And it moved. It moved. It moved really quickly. And there was no like, well, that's where I think Asteroid City kind of fell down is there were so many slow moments that just bogged the movie down and have to. I wish an asteroid would fall off me. Cast Meteor, come on. That's what he was actually doing. He was trying to cast Meteor.
00:29:49
Speaker
But it moved, it was good, it was funny. I wanted to see this film now. Yeah, definitely. It's a short film too. And I wanted to say, isn't it kind of crazy? The world of short film, in the sense that we make short films, and then this is the shit that people get. I don't mean shit isn't bad, but it's like, damn, Everest is up there. Holy shit, this is the same competition that
00:30:17
Speaker
The fucking, you know, short I made when I was a kid, like, there's, goddamn, when you actually can put money or actually just have that skill. Well, buddy, I'll be honest, when it comes to Oscars, we don't gotta worry. Don't worry about it, man. You just do your best, buddy. You just do your best. Maybe we can win best original song. We gotta start writing our Oscar winner.
00:30:43
Speaker
Well, so, oh, nevermind. What's next on the list? Animated short. Well, that's, does anyone know who even won? Yeah, war is over, inspired by the music of John and Yoko. Oh, didn't stay to watch that one. Sounds interesting though. I left. Cool. All right, what else?
00:31:10
Speaker
Let's go, best international feature film, which was zone of interest. Oh, well, okay, so that's how they did it, huh? We're not gonna give you best picture, so we'll give you best international, right? There was, there's a lot of controversy about that because the directors were talking about Palestine, Free Palestine. A lot of people were like,
00:31:36
Speaker
The zone of interest guy, he's an anti-Semite and I was like, what the fuck? Oh, wow. It was in his acceptance speech. Yeah. Oh, really? I missed a lot. Yeah, but yeah. Best makeup and hairstyling. Poor things. Poor things.
00:32:02
Speaker
I feel like every technical award was obviously going to go to poor things, except for cinematography.
00:32:11
Speaker
And that was going to Oppenheimer, right? Yeah. And I got all those right. It was that expensive S.I. Maxx film. It cost $275 million. That's what I'm saying about Nolan. I don't know. I've been thinking about him a lot today. And it's like he gets to play with the best of the best. But it's like and I think he's just trying too hard to emulate Kubrick. I just like he is such a fucking Kubrick copycat.
00:32:41
Speaker
Like, I don't know. I might be wrong. I mean, I'd love to hear people think. No, I don't think so. But I feel like, yeah, he's like, I got, you know, he's just like, I'm just trying to do my Kubrick stuff. I don't know. I feel like he's carving out his own thing for himself. Like, I think.
00:33:00
Speaker
going from making, you know, his own films to tackling Batman and doing such a good job with Batman was like a pretty brave thing. He gave us Marvel. Oh no, I don't know. I might have to reconsider.
00:33:17
Speaker
But I think that's a really brave thing for a director who was making the kind of films he was making to do. Oh, I love Nolan. I just I just think when I compare, like when you compare him to against the Pantheon, your Fellinis and your Godards and everything, because it's like when people are putting him in that contention. I don't know about that. And you're like, you know, who heard of that Tarkovsky? Like, I don't know.
00:33:45
Speaker
I don't know. I think he's overrated. That's what I'm trying to say. He's overrated, but he's not bad. I mean, he doesn't make, well, Tenet.
Critiquing 'Tenet' and Christopher Nolan
00:33:54
Speaker
I was about to say Tenet. Did those people watch the movie Tenet? I hated Tenet. Tenet was really, I mean, that was really bad. Yeah. Like I'm like, how did, how did, like, and you got to make another $200 million movie right after this? Like, what the fuck you dude? Yeah. And he made it a hundred million in profit personally off Oppenheimer.
00:34:15
Speaker
Well, good on him, man. I mean, I have my issues with Nolan. Even before you did, I was like, dude, man, Nolan. But, you know, I do appreciate him. Cause it's like, well, if 200, right? Cause the film was 200 million? Yeah. Well, if this much money can go to this kind of film, that's awesome. And like advocating for, for actual film shot and, you know,
00:34:40
Speaker
You know, like I'm happy, I'm glad he's there, you know, to kind of keep that art tour thing alive and not let it just go all to corporatism, you know, like Marvel. Do you guys think he's sort of a victim of his own success in the way that, you know, he's made such successful movies in the past?
00:35:04
Speaker
So there's nobody there to tell him no anymore. There's nobody there to say, hey, maybe that's not a great idea. Or, you know, maybe we don't want to give you the money for this, but that's how Tenant gets made. Because people read the script and they're like, what the fuck is it? He made Memento work. Like, just give him the money. But yeah, exactly. It's kind of like the George Lucas thing. No one can tell him no. He's too big for an editor. He's a genius. Yeah. He's a genius. I mean, if you just look at him, he's not a genius.
00:35:33
Speaker
Well, that's the thing is you guys, I got Neanderthal eyebrows. Yeah, that's a good way to put it because he got so successful so quick. He didn't quite learn along the way, you know? Yeah. And also, I think, well, I think I'm always my biggest problem with Nolan, though, too, is just like he's not good at writing interesting characters. No. You know, Nolan would do good not to write his films. And he's telling these epic stories about characters we don't give a shit about.
00:36:02
Speaker
But that's a credit to him though, right? Because look how successful the film was. Yeah, it's just- No, but a credit to him because in the box office, it made a ton of money, right? A lot more than it was projected to, I think.
00:36:16
Speaker
And then, you know, won a fair amount of Oscars, you know, so it's critically acclaimed, box office claim, you know, it's the best package there is. I know, dude, but he's best director, baby. I think he got a lot of it. Sorry, Jared, one second. Like, putting together a package. I gotta get this out before I lose it, Steven. By all means. It's the Emperor's new dude or whatever, like, to close, right? Like, no one sees that he's naked up there, like, right? Is that it? But if the Emperor gets away with it,
00:36:46
Speaker
It's like hell to have it. I mean, I mean, go. You've been looking at my dick this whole time. Oh, here I am. I guess that maybe that is what a genius is. That's a hundred million dollar dick to you, buddy. I mean, that's true, right? Next film's going to be three hundred million biz. Thing I would do for a hundred million dollars, I'd definitely do Nolan.
00:37:08
Speaker
If I had to. What's the lowest amount? I don't know. It's like 1699. Oh, shit.
00:37:17
Speaker
Well, don't worry. I ain't no. I'm doing him though, right? I'm sorry. I got a $16.99 Audi and a $2 million. You can finish him after, if you want. Oh, you'd settle for way less than 2 million. He'd be like, you know what?
00:37:40
Speaker
produce whatever you want, and you just reach around a little bit. Oh yeah, a dickhead too, Mr. Dickhead. Produced by Nick Christopher Nolan, a film by Christopher Nolan, Dickhead too with a dickening. Chris, you did it again. You like a night baby for Christmas, right? Somehow where you end up broken, blacklisted out of the
00:38:05
Speaker
industry. Al Pacino, I opened the Oscar and my eyes see the ticket to no later. How did you do it? I mean, Tom and Steve, I get up here now, but really, um, what are we on? I don't know.
00:38:25
Speaker
animated short. We were talking shit about something. Pair and makeup, poor things. That's what we were talking about. You said poor things should get every technical award? Yeah. And then that turned into a whole Nolan tandem. But you didn't like the sets.
00:38:42
Speaker
I didn't like the background. Yeah. The stupid sky and like the CGI. So like the art direction. I
CGI Critique in 'Poor Things'
00:38:50
Speaker
don't know if it was CGI. I feel like it was CGI, but I didn't like that. It was very distracting in how ugly I found it. I found what? The CGI sky. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. It looked like staring at my Windows 10 screen saver or something.
00:39:09
Speaker
And I was like, you're just making me fucking sick. But think about that CGI sky, and I know it's being way too overdramatic about it. Well, I was seeing some of the fisheye angles, and I was like, damn, man, fisheye is just so hard to pull off. Just stay away.
00:39:23
Speaker
They kind of pull it off because they don't linger with it too long. And it's supposed to be, there's a reason for it. So it makes sense. It makes sense in the context of the film. Well, up until a point. That's another best picture I didn't see.
00:39:41
Speaker
I think, oh, so the best pic, there's a lot of good best pictures. I think there are only four you don't need to see and one of them, one. I think there was like six that really should be watched. Wait, hold on. I guess we can end the red. Oh, that's out though. Support things though. Yeah. Good makeup. Good makeup. Yeah. Good fish islands. Good fish islands. Good fish islands. Okay. Cause it was up for cinematography.
00:40:06
Speaker
I know, I picked it. Which one? Who wants cinematography? Oppenheimer. Jesus fucking Christ. Well, that feels, that's like the safe choice. Oppenheimer was straight up and down, buttoned up and down. This is a movie. There's nothing beyond what we're saying in the script. Yeah. Here you go. Here's your film. And the script really sucked.
00:40:28
Speaker
I'll give it some credit. There was a lot of names in there. I was able to follow it and I'm bad. I cringed so hard like three times in that movie. I wanted to leave one, the weird sex scene where she says his most famous quote. That's a weird scene. I was like, okay, what the fuck is this? This isn't even interesting. It's, it's so cringy. Well, Nolan and sex sounds like a weird thing, you know? Yeah. Would you want to watch a Neanderthal fuck?
00:40:57
Speaker
I mean, yes. That's pretty obvious. At least once. I mean, I gotta make that money, you know?
00:41:06
Speaker
But the cinematography and poor things was like purposeful. The way things were shot, the use of the fisheye lens, there was a reason for it. And it was, you know, I'm not going to spoil it. Have you seen it? No, not at all. But it's, you know, there's reasons for the things that they do and the way that they shoot things that also helps to tell the story. It isn't just, we framed this shot of this military base really well.
00:41:34
Speaker
Well, I will say, as a complete outsider who knows nothing about this film, I thought it was fucking ugly. I blame the anger. Oppenheimer, you gotta watch it. And you know what else sucked about poor things? The goddamn score. Yes. Why is fucking this shit dominated? Did you listen to the score? I don't have a comment on it. I didn't really notice it.
00:41:55
Speaker
You're lucky. It's a score, all right. I gave it a chance. I felt like this, I don't know. The beginning, the violins were, I don't know, kind of set up the feeling of the movie, but other than that, I didn't really know. All I'll say is its score sounded like if I made the score by hand. It wasn't for me, I'll say. It wasn't to my tastes. But I didn't see them film at all.
00:42:24
Speaker
It's a must-watch. I think your ghost is one of those must-watch filmmakers. Well, he did the favorite, right? Yes. And I had no interest in watching the favorite. And then I saw the favorite. I was like, Jesus Christ, this film is fucking amazing. Yes. You know? I was like, OK, this is great. So I imagine poor things. Oh, sorry. No, no, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, I imagine poor things. I'm sure it does live up to. It does. To its hype. Although. But, you know. Shit.
00:42:54
Speaker
Fuck it. I hated that score. I hated the fish act. There's just one thing about the story that I didn't like too much is it starts to, the third act kind of drags. The third act, um, cause it kind of changes.
00:43:14
Speaker
The type of story changes. It becomes less of an adventure. Because the movie is like a weird adventure where she's like traveling around the world and they're doing all this weird shit. And it's like, this is fucking cool. And then that all stops. And then the movie slows down. Real slow.
00:43:35
Speaker
But I think that works with the development of her character, you know, because at the beginning she's very childlike and learning very quickly and things are moving very quickly. Fuck you for making me feel so old. I am old, god damn it. Because you kind of watch her developmentally age at like an incredibly fast pace. Yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker
Well, yeah, I mean, she's truly a baby and doing the things she's doing. I mean, that's just not. But she also goes from like, she develops like almost like exponentially, I feel. Because she goes like from like baby to child to teenager, like in like the span of months. So she's like, did you ever see that one movie by the Luc Besson?
00:44:21
Speaker
Which one, Lucy? Yeah, she exponentially gets stronger and stronger because her mind opens up. Yeah. She travels through time. Yeah. Scarlett Johansson, that one, right? Oh yeah. Okay. This is good. We haven't even talked about it. Okay. Let's go. Best score.
00:44:43
Speaker
Not poor things. Poor things. No, that's your pick? That's my pick. I loved it. Oppenheimer was one that won. I liked Indie, dude. I only heard it for like two songs because my internet crashed because I was playing Magic the Gathering and I can't do both.
00:45:01
Speaker
But from what I heard, cause it's not that that's not nominated, right? It's like new music for this. And it was just, if you like, it just felt to me like, if you like John Williams, this is like all of that John Williams goodness.
00:45:17
Speaker
I thought it was okay. I hated that movie, so maybe that kind of tinged the score for me. Well, let that movie have at least one good thing, right? But my favorite score wasn't even nominated, and that was The Boy and the Heron. What was that? Did you see that movie? I didn't see it. You just heard the score. I didn't see it. I listened to the score, because I was like, I wonder how this one is, because I like Joe Hisashi or Hisashi.
00:45:39
Speaker
And is that classic kind of, it's Ghibli, right? Yeah. Ghibli, Ghibli. Yeah. It was a perfect classic score by them. Oh, okay. Super good. And I was like, that didn't even get nominated. All these other ones sucked. Oh, Oppenheimer was good. Okay, I will. Yeah, it was good, right? Like I said, Oppenheimer has like, all the issues I have with it are, I have two issues with Oppenheimer. The editing and the story. The editing definitely was, oof.
00:46:07
Speaker
I hated the editing, like weird cuts, like 50 cuts in our conversation, like five words I said. Yeah, that's a little too snappy. It was like cutting a taken four action scene, but it was a dialogue scene, which is a real bold choice, I guess, but I fucking hated it. I don't like a lot of editing. I don't like a lot of cuts in my films. I guess that's a- That's why you like poor things so much. But if you like a lot of cuts, Oppenheimer, baby. Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:46:37
Speaker
be snappy. And the story. Stupid. So score. What else was nominated? American fiction, which I mean, I don't remember. I don't. Oh, you know, I listened to that whole score a few times. It's pretty good. It's just like kind of jazz. It was kind of jazzy and upbeat. Kinda, which was nice. But then John Williams happened. Yeah, what else? And then Killers of the Flower Moon.
00:47:08
Speaker
I don't remember. One nothing. Yeah. Well, it's Scorsese, right? Yep. The Curse of Scorsese. Do you think it should have won something? Yeah. What? What's the award? Actress? Lily Glatzel. Okay.
00:47:29
Speaker
Emma Stone's performance is probably better. But that's best actress, right? Yeah. Emma Stone and poor things is like pretty fucking insane. And I guess when you compare it again, I guess I can see that. I guess I wouldn't give it any words. I guess it can't be wrong. It wasn't that far off. Oh, no, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Yeah. Robert De Niro.
00:47:58
Speaker
Oh, for best supporting. Yes. Yeah, well, you said he was the most evil man ever depicted on cinema, I think is your quote. You stand by that? I mean, I'm sure there's been some pretty evil dudes, but that real life dude was pretty fucking evil man. Did you read up on the real life guy at all? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because I heard the movies are nowhere near as bad as what happened. Yeah, real life was like way worse.
00:48:24
Speaker
Why do you think they shied away with it from it? Was it that bad? Like you don't even depict it? I think it was like...
00:48:31
Speaker
I think they are adapting the story. There was an adapted of a book and the book I think was more focused on the FBI murders or the FBI investigation. And then they kind of rewrote to be more about the people. So maybe like they're trying to keep more in line with like the spirit of the book, which maybe wasn't as graphic in the detail. Maybe, I don't know. I've never read it.
00:48:57
Speaker
Oh, so you just know compared to the movie compared to- To be honest, I never heard about any of this until the movie. No, yeah, I never heard about it either. And I was just like, when you hear about, like when you hear about this, like stuff like this, like in American history, like, you know, like how it's like, oh yeah, we were so open about our past, man. You know? Yeah. You know, like you always give Japan shit because Japan is like, they're, they always try to cover up like a lot of the atrocities in their own past, right? World War II. And what it's like, we all fucking do it, right? It sucks, but we do. I mean, it's a fucking shame.
00:49:28
Speaker
Because then we have to hear about it in a Scorsese movie instead of learning about it, discussing it among our peers in school. I came back around. Thank you, yeah.
00:49:40
Speaker
Oh, and it won nothing. So let's go to our best original song, which went to Barbie, the credits scene song. So not even I'm Ken, right? Wasn't that like I was hoping the only Oscar Barbie one was I'm just Ken.
00:50:00
Speaker
I'm just kidding. Like the Barbie movie only gets an Oscar for Ken's song. That would just be so like... I'm so fucked up. I can't even read the words on the paper. I'm trying to read what the Barbie song is, that one, but I literally can't even read the text.
00:50:15
Speaker
Just for the comedic effect. That's what I was going for. What was I made for? I got there. I know it was Billie Eilish. I want to talk about this thing. The fucking Hot Cheetos movie?
00:50:32
Speaker
Dude, that song was spicy. Big Head won't get an Oscar nomination, but the Hot Cheetos movie got a sponsor or a nomination. I mean, I don't even remember the song at all. They performed it. They did a performance of the song at the Oscars. Yeah, I don't remember. It was bad. It was like...
00:50:51
Speaker
Okay. Oh, it was like it's just it's just four words repeated. Yeah, everyone hated it. Yeah. When you watched it, you know, like it's called the fire inside. El Fuego. All right. I can see why everyone kind of hated it. Yeah.
00:51:19
Speaker
He's telling you we got it. We can write on it. We get an Oscar, bro. Oh, yeah. Best original song we can do it. We pick a whole movie about us trying to get an Oscar for best original song and we write the song and we sing it in the movie. Hell, yeah. And then it will win and no one will ever watch it. So for us. Oh, yeah.
00:51:44
Speaker
And we'll pat ourselves on the back and say, we were so meta. So far ahead of our terms. All right, best production design. That sounds like she could go to poor things. From what I saw, I was like, yeah, that looks pretty good. Dude, the sets.
00:52:00
Speaker
Are so fucking like, other than the ugly sky. Yeah. The sets are fucking beautiful. They built a lot of be considered part of the set. If they had built it, it would have been. But I think they just would like cover it. And no, no, I don't think so. That's VFX. Damn, fuck your set design. It was probably it was probably just a blue wall in real life. Right. Yeah.
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah, there wasn't a real sky like that out there. No, that sky is not a real sky.
00:52:35
Speaker
But beautiful set design, beautiful art direction. I mean, it's your ghost. You've seen the favorite. It's the like, it's that same like hyper intensive super art. Like every bit of the frame is just filled with color and light and pictures and objects and paintings and flowers and all kinds of shit. Like every inch of the frame is just like, right. Like the favorite, like they're in the French castle or the... Emma Stone's in the favorite, huh?
00:53:05
Speaker
Yeah, she is. She was nominated, right? Yeah, I think she was, yeah. She's making a good combo. Didn't she draw porcelain or Babylon for porcelain? Yep. Yeah. She read Chazelle's script and she read Yorgos. All right. You know, I have a little busy over here. I mean, she got the Oscar. She produced it. She got the flop. She produced the film too. Yeah.
00:53:31
Speaker
I mean, which I think is like the only way she could really do a movie like that. Cause it's just like, it's all her, right? It's like, if you're going to make a movie that's just about you, you should probably help a little bit. I mean, there are moments where she is not like in frame, but that is like, that movie is 90% Emma Stone. Oh really? Like that's how much like, that's how fucking good she is. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:02
Speaker
Well, then it sounds like she should have got Best Actress. And it has Margaret Qualley in it, and I'm kind of in love with her. Margaret Qualley? Yeah. Who? Yep. Okay. Best Film Editing. Oh my God. Oppenheimer. Oppenheimer. Did they actually win? Yeah. Oh, this is the highest APM award. This is the what the fuck award. I don't know how, like,
00:54:30
Speaker
Elvis got nominated for best setting, and I thought that was the worst setting I ever seen until I seen Oppenheimer in that one for best editing. So what the fuck? Am I just... Maybe that's where the style is though. Dickhead, we're in trouble, dude. Oh buddy, that's barely what it is. We're in trouble. We're in trouble. I mean, the Academy hates me, apparently. Well, they just have the complete opposite style. I would say the one thing that stood out to me that I didn't like about Oppenheimer,
00:55:01
Speaker
was editing. It was just too snappy, just too quick. I was like, eh, what's going on? Like, this should be slower, like slow down. You know what? I'm old. Why are we snapping back and forth, Mr. Nolan? It hurts. So, yeah, that's... Wow. I really didn't think they got it. That's funny. Yep. Documentary is short. No clue. Yeah.
00:55:26
Speaker
I don't remember, none of these look familiar. Documentary, sure, those lazy fuckers, like, why not just turn into a full documentary? I don't know what else. It's not that much to uncover. It would be a complete guess if I said, best documentary feature.
Award-Winning Documentary: '20 Days of Mariupol'
00:55:40
Speaker
Congratulations. That was maybe four daughters. 20 days of- Oh, 20 days of Maripul. Maripul. Of course, yes. Like a documentary about Ukraine.
00:55:53
Speaker
Oh, yeah. There you go. I mean, I'm sure it's fucking terrible to watch. Oh, as any doctor. But I mean, it's like a. When I saw it on the list, I was like, this is the easiest pick in my life. Check. Yep. Best costume design. Poor things. That's a big obvious stuff.
00:56:22
Speaker
Napoleon was, that was its only award. Yeah. And it was nominated for that. And I think, uh, biggest piece of shit. Whatever. I kid, I kid.
00:56:39
Speaker
But yeah, poor things, costumes, like cinematography. We talked about this a bit, Oppenheimer. Fuck, yeah. I don't know. I mean, like you said, Jared, it's completely boring. Who did you what? It's completely safe. For cinematography. Poor things, poor things.
00:56:58
Speaker
You saw poor things, right? And you said everything was intentional? I felt like, yeah, it was like, there was a reason for the way these things were shot and the angles they took or the fisheye lens, you know. And then with Oppenheimer, how do you feel? I thought it was just, I thought it was fine. I thought it was competent. Oppenheimer, I think, is competent. I don't think it's anything beyond that.
00:57:28
Speaker
Well, that's fair, because like when Tom was talking about best sound, and then he was like, yeah, but the sound is telling a story on top of it, you know, as opposed to the technical aspects, because I would say Oppenheimer is just way better technically. But if you consider the story the cinematography is telling and how it's telling it, I mean, I could see that as a good strong argument for poor things to get it if it accomplishes.
00:57:54
Speaker
Those means. I guess now that I think about it a little bit more, the Oppenheimer editing was good because I was able to follow this complicated- So you liked the editing? I mean, I liked it, but I don't think it was the best. Okay. Like I thought I was able to follow what was going on, you know, they did cut to black and white, which is the, I guess it was the present or the future or whatever. Yeah, that's represented different times, right? Like periods, like past, present, or some shit. Or is it just not in the current timeline? Present was color, right?
00:58:23
Speaker
No, the color was in past. The past was in color. Or it was black and white whenever it was like not telling you the truth or a different perspective or something. Robert Downey Jr. was always in black and white until the end, right? Something like that. Yeah, I think so. Well, I came in an hour late.
00:58:43
Speaker
There is a reason, but there's a reason for the black and white. I just don't remember. Oh, that's a lot. It was like when they were talking about what the events, it was in black and white, but when they were showing the events, it was in color. Yeah.
00:58:58
Speaker
So black and white. I was gonna say that was the exposition, but the whole movie's exposition, right? Essentially, yes. It's like a fucking, what's that? The whole movie. Guys who did the West Wing. Aaron Sorkin. It's like a wannabe Aaron Sorkin film. We're just there for the money shot, really. Everyone knows. And I would say I didn't even like that nation.
00:59:21
Speaker
Wow. You want a bigger explosion, mister? I don't know. I just, wasn't it a real one? You just can't be pleased, can you? Uh, you know, I liked 2001. Yeah. Well, I don't know. There's some person like, come on, come on, bro. 2001. I mean, it was fine. No Oppenheimer's good. It is a good film. I still would give it a seven out of 10. It's like,
00:59:49
Speaker
The film to me is a B minus and everyone's giving it an A plus plus plus. This is the number one kid of the class. You know, it's like, yeah, bro, come on. That's what I'm saying. It just, uh, it's like everywhere, everything all at once.
01:00:04
Speaker
Everyone was just like fucking, this is the greatest, this changed my life. And you're just like- Yeah, when I finally saw that movie, it was a, I liked it, but if everyone not had done that, I would have liked it a lot more. But because people did that, I was like, this is fine. That's true. This is fine. There is that aspect to why I hate that movie so much. But I kind of just, I don't know.
01:00:29
Speaker
Something about that one bothers me. Just like something about Oppenheimer, it's like, I don't know, there's something that really bothers me here too. And then we have best animated feature, Boy and the Heron, Miyazaki's film. I haven't seen it. Appropriate, I feel. But I wonder if it's, cause I heard some people talking about it, they're like, oh, it's not as good as like Spirited Away or something. Yeah.
Miyazaki's 'Boy and the Heron'
01:00:50
Speaker
But what's always going to be what he's compared to though, right? Did he beat Spirited Away? And like, ah, he did it. But then,
01:00:58
Speaker
I was hearing about, I think the story of it and I was like, damn, this really sounds really good. Did you see it? I haven't seen it. I could've sworn someone told me about it and I was like, damn, that sounds like a really good Miyazaki film. Nope, but not yet. Did you see it Jared? No. Well, there you go. As soon as I can, I will watch it. Anytime I see Miyazaki in an award next to it, I'll be like, okay, it's probably earned.
01:01:25
Speaker
Can we do a pause? No. For a pee and a drink? Yes. All out. We usually don't do these things, but. No, we do not. Since you're a guest all out.