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8- Can Marielle Interest You In...Wood Turning?
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This is another fun one! We have Marielle Martin, designer of our logo and an all around interesting and interested person, to tell us about wood turning. What is it? How did she get interested in it? What a gift confidence is for life! We also learn about some of her other interests.
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Introduction to Podcast and Hosts
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You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
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We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?
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This is Patti. This is Mariel Martin. Hi, Patty. Hi. Hi, Charlotte. You too. Known you? Yes, you have known me.
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Wait, so how do you guys know each other? do you want to take this one? um Yes. So let's see. Adam is my boyfriend and he worked at this solar company where Marielle and her husband
Mariel's Friendship with Hosts
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Yev work. And so they're work friends, but now he doesn't work there anymore. and Yep. Doesn't work there anymore. And so you're just friend friends.
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Yay. But that's how it. Make the transition to friend friend. Yeah. Which is a tough one from work friend to friend friend. Kind of like, oh, well, but once I don't work here anymore, you assume like, oh, but we're such good friends. And then it's like, no, you don't stay in touch with all of those people sometimes.
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Yeah. I think we're lucky to have a ah shared hobby of disc golf. Ah, okay. That definitely helps. It helps us to see each other pretty often. Yeah. Like another outside touch point.
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Yeah. Very cool. Well, Mariel, thank you so much for being willing to talk to us about whatever you're going to talk to us about.
Passion for Woodturning
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I'm excited that i don't know. Oh, that's fun. I did not know that you didn't know. I'd like to make it a little bit of a surprise so that you can truly try to interest us in your an area of interest.
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Okay. I said interest too many times. so It's hard not to. i know. It's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Is it going to be about interest rates?
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Oh, God. that I don't think anyone could make that sound enjoyable or fun.
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All right. So what do you got for us? Tell us about what's going on. What is your area of interest? I really love woodturning on a lathe.
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Okay. I'm going need you to define at least two of those um but Absolutely. What is what is wood turning and what is a lathe? Sure.
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So if you would imagine you take a block of wood and you put an invisible line through the middle of it, so you have a Imagine you have ah a finger on one end, a finger on the other, pinching this piece of wood, and then it spins on that axis.
00:02:58
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Almost the way a rolling pin would spin around the little handles on the sides. As this piece of wood turns on an axis, you take tools and carve something out of it, like a bowl.
00:03:14
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Oh, wait. So is this how like people make like the legs of tables, for example? hmm. Absolutely. Oh my, wait, but you can make a bowl?
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You can make really anything that is symmetrical to one axis, I guess would be an easy way to to interpret it. So spindles, drumsticks, handles for things, bowls, clocks, plates, whatever strikes your fancy that is, is I guess, symmetrical and and somewhat cylindrical. Yeah.
Woodturning Techniques and Safety
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So it's kind of like wood carving, like your car you are carving the wood, but instead of it being like a slow, like nobody can see what I'm doing, but like individual, like chopping away at or scraping away at, it's like you're speeding up the process in a way the...
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the Yeah, the thousands of revolutions per minute. yeah Is that how many it is it It can range from the the hundreds, I guess, up to the thousands. yeah um It spins pretty fast.
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And that high spin rate combined with very sharp tools has the the wood shaving. It comes off like a ribbon if you're doing it right for certain woods. Whoa.
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It's making me think of like glass blowing, but that's more like bendy, bendy. i I think it makes sense in terms of they they're spinning it on the same kind of access to to keep the gravity from distorting the shape.
00:04:45
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We don't have the melting problem with woodworking, but I think there's a there's a similarity there. Wow. I think I just always thought people were like ah sanding down these bowls and things to get them to where they are. I never understood until I met you, like kind of they were actually doing.
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So is that how you also like do you hollow out the bowl in the same way or are you like doing the exterior of the bowl? You do both. ah there's There's usually a if I had to quickly summarize the process, when you have a big block
Materials and Tools in Woodturning
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and you've you've put it on the lathe for the first time, you've got something pinching it on both sides and it spins on that axis between those points.
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And you start with the outside until you get a nice shape that you like roughly. And on one of the sides near one of the points that it's touching the lathe, you you create what's called either a mortise or a tenon.
00:05:44
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And it's kind of like a, it's a circular shape that after you've created this this piece, like imagine it's the lid of a jar, that kind of shape.
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um You take the piece off and you put a different piece of equipment onto the lathe. It's called a chuck. And this this chuck kind of acts the way a hand would, and it pinches around that lid you've created very tightly.
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And then you don't need to use that second point on the opposite side to hold the the piece of wood with two two points, one on each side. Then you've just got this this chuck really gripping it by one side.
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And that's when you can kind of come around the side and start hollowing out on the middle. Does that make sense? It's hard to describe. and Yeah. But are you still doing it at that speed or do you have to kind of slow it really at that speed?
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Yeah, ah the the speed that you need is really dependent on the diameter of the piece. So if if you might be easiest to think about a bicycle wheel, if you're going up a hill, you might, I don't know if the appropriate way to say it is gear up or gear down, but you make it easier on yourself by putting the chain on a smaller gear or a larger gear.
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And you're probably still pedaling just as hard as you know big gear or small gear, but more or less distance gets traveled, um whether you're pedaling your butt off or or or going super slow.
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i I'm probably going to get this backward, but I think that the the bigger the piece, the lower RPM that you need because the the diameter of the piece, it's so far away from the center that's
Mariel's DIY Learning Journey
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spinning at a constant rate that it seems like it's spinning faster.
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might be stating that correctly. It might be the opposite. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah, you use different spin speeds based on the the the size of the piece or the the diameter. Okay, so a lathe is the thing that's spinning.
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Yes. Okay. and so does it adjust, like, it's just a set machine and then you just adjust, like, how wide out those two pieces, two points are depending on the piece of wood.
00:08:04
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That's exactly right. Yeah. And then you just like turn it on and it goes, or is it like, how does it run? Is it like, I'm picturing it almost like in, and um like a wheel, like a clay wheel went in pottery, like, but that you have like a pedal where you could kind of be in control of it.
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It's a lot of people mentioned the pottery wheel actually, and it's sort of similar. i don't know the mechanics in a pottery wheel, but if you imagine that the motor that powers it is turned on its side.
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So and instead of your, instead of the thing that's spinning in front of you being ah horizontal, it's now vertical. there's There's like a ah chain or a I think it's a piece of rubber really, but it there's um there's a motor that spins this this chain, similar to ah again a bicycle, none that that spins the main ah component that turns the wooden piece. that i don't know i don't know the technical term for for this
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thing that turns. But it on on one side, there's a motor. And on the other side, there is a free moving piece that it's it's putting pressure on the piece of wood to keep it in place.
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But it spins at whatever rate the motor on the other side is spinning at. And is it dangerous or is it like, I don't know. I mean, I imagine that there's a lot of mechanisms in place to make it not dangerous, but you got to wear like goggles or what are you doing?
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it It can be dangerous if you're not being safe. um you know For instance, you never want to wear a loose clothing around a lathe because it could grab it. um Always put your hair back if you've got long hair. ah you You should definitely wear at a minimum goggles. I always wear a face shield and I have a ah very
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thick apron so that if a piece would fly off the lathe while I'm working on it, if it would happen to fly off at me,
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It'll still hurt, but it's not going most likely to you know puncture skin or anything. I've had pieces fly off, but i've I've not thus far been injured. I try to be and as careful as possible.
00:10:22
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Yeah, we have some here. We'll knock on some ourselves. Oh, yeah, knock on some of your wood. Okay, wait. So what is the tool then that you're using is is it whittle away the wood or ah I usually use the word carve, yeah.
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Carve, okay. To carve the wood. In my experience, they're called gouges. There are other tools gouges. skew chisels, there are carbide tools, and a lot of it's preference based, but a lot of it's also use case based.
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The tool that I use most often is called a gouge. And i I thought about bringing some tools with me, but that did not feel appropriate to to bring sharp tools. It's a library. Yeah.
00:11:08
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The library says like no weapons. And you're like, what about a gouge? Yeah, it's not a friendly name either. it sounds bad. I'll gouge your eye out. um And so are those metal?
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They are. Okay. Okay. and So there are kind of two types of tools or two camps that I think a lot of turners fall into.
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There are some that like carbide tools, which you can imagine there's there's a tool tip that's very sharp and replaceable. So once it gets dull, you remove it you buy another tip that's usually used by in my online presence on Reddit on the turning sub, a lot of beginners like carbide tools, but I i prefer the gouges because you can sharpen them with the the name of the ah tool, the bench grinder.
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You can sharpen the tools to what shape you want to some degree. um and keep them as sharp as you want, rather than having to go back to a store all the time and buy new tips.
00:12:12
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Yeah. Okay. I have so many more questions, but should I please? Yes, I have questions too. What about when, because I've seen some of your stuff and we could, you know, probably show Patty some of it, but like sometimes there's layers of almost like different, it looks
Educational Resources
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like different colors of wood.
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Is it just all one piece of wood and that just is how the wood is or can you layer things? Yeah. So in the examples that I brought, these are just solid chunks of wood, one piece, but it it isn't too uncommon to see people take multiple pieces. They put them through a planer, so they get a really level, smooth surface and they glue them to other pieces of wood.
00:12:56
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And then when you turn it, you can get like checkerboard patterns and all sorts of stuff like that. But in the pieces I brought with me today, the the color variations and the The shiny parts and and and the the little, I guess, dots, you might call them, that's all just related to whatever wood you're using.
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um The grain orientation that you're you're turning, you you know you you choose how to angle the piece in some cases, but you're seeing most likely a lot of these lines are formed by the rings from the tree and ah they they can turn out really beautifully.
00:13:34
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So cool. It's like really highlighting the wood itself. Yeah. ah a lot of ah ah lot of different species of wood have really nice, i might not be pronouncing it right, but I think it's called chatoyance.
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And it's that shimmery look when you turn the bowl in your hand and and look at it, you'll see almost like ripples of shininess on on certain surfaces. And that's probably the most fun is when you finish a piece,
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you know you're You're done with the carving part and the sanding part and you apply the finish and you get to see that that brilliant shininess and luster come through is is my favorite part of the project.
00:14:14
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Yeah, because you almost can't plan for that, right? It's like... Yeah, you don't always know what's underneath of the bark or the you know the part of the but blank it which is what they call the like the like the cube that you start out with.
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What about this one that you have that has like some see-through aspects, which I suspect are not wood? You are correct. Well, I've never seen that see-through wood before. you know, I couldn't see it. That was the problem.
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So i I'll try to describe it. i I brought a bowl patty that imagine a piece of a trunk where it's all gnarled and there's roots in it.
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um It has very
Finishing Techniques in Woodturning
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uneven surfaces that are kind of beautiful in their own way. i I had a large bowl and I put this piece of wood that had all of this uneven and gnarled looking side side to it.
00:15:14
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I dipped it in a bowl of epoxy and let it sit for a few days and then I put it on the lathe. And so what Charlotte's describing is see-through is a clear epoxy resin. used in tandem with the wood so that my goal was to kind of make make it look like islands um sitting in this epoxy because as you carve away some of the wood, um you know, some of the wood surface disappears entirely and you're left just with epoxy in its place. So some portions are see-through and It's not my favorite one that I've done. I i didn't finish it very well, but um i I brought it because I just wanted to share all all examples, not not just my favorites.
00:15:55
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So you can use the lathe on, i mean, it's intended for wood, but you can use it on non-wood materials as long as they're not like harder than whatever your gorge.
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Gouge. No, gouge. Gouge able to get through. Yeah, I've even heard of people using very soft metals. I don't think I would try that. that That does scare me a little bit.
00:16:22
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yeah But if like, let's say you're creating a paperweight and you want it to have ah a brass base. i've I've heard of people carving a ah bit of brass on the lathe as well to put on the bottom of a ah piece.
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I've only worked with wood and epoxy so far.
Woodturning as a Hobby vs. Business
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Butter. So what kind of wood is it that your blank that you start with? ah it It can be any kind of wood, really. Okay. I i stick to woods that I most of the time know to have no known allergens or or toxicity.
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um i i don't i don't know that most of what I make, it doesn't need to be food grade, but I'm not interested in like potentially having someone get sick ah because they touched something that I made.
00:17:13
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um There are some woods that people are allergic to, especially during the the turning process because there's a lot of dust that gets created and shouldn't be inhaling that. So some of my favorites that are very safe to work with, as safe as any wood dust could be, are mango wood.
00:17:31
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I also like um maple looks pretty good most of the time. Black walnut is really pretty, but then there there are some woods that you know that you should put a ah a thick finish on there and you need to use a respirator and and dust collection and and you you turn them because they're beautiful, but they they may have a potential allergen that you are exposed to during the turning process.
00:17:56
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Oh, wow. So you mentioned you wear like the face shield. Do you wear a respirator as well? Or just when you're doing those? For the longest time, I didn't have a dust collection machine.
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So I wore a respirator every time I turned. And it just creates so much extra work once you're done vacuuming, not just the big ah ribbons of wood that
Balancing Hobby with Life
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that come off as you're turning, but also the very, very fine dust that comes off. It just sits down on every surface in in the workspace.
00:18:30
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And ah so I'd always wear a respirator for that. But a few months ago, I bit the bullet and I bought a dust collection machine. And if I'm turning something that would irritate my lungs, I'll still wear the respirator. But most of the time, I don't have to wear the respirator anymore.
00:18:50
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So does that mean you do that? Sorry, go ahead, Charlotte. No, I was just thinking, no, no, I just said nice.
00:18:57
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us like thinking about the cleanup job but uh yeah that place not fun you're tired you want to just go like inside and put the piece wherever you had it in mind but instead you've got 20 minutes of cleanup
Influence of Early Experiences
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to do yeah i just want to sit here with my peas so does that mean that you do your turning home like do you have studio Yeah, we have a detached garage that we really had whatever you know whatever we wanted to do with it. It was a blank slate.
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So I started by sectioning off a part of it with a a curtain rod. that i It's like a a plastic... ah line of curtain rod, almost like if you're in the yeah ah ER and they're sectioning off your little bed.
00:19:46
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So I put something like that around ah ah par ah portion of our garage and put the lathe in there. And that worked for a while. i've I've made some adjustments. Now I have the dust collection, but yeah, it's at home in our in our garage and it's still a relatively small space within our garage. It's only like a quarter of it, but it's probably better that it's smaller because then there's less area to clean up.
00:20:10
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Yeah. Yeah. And how long have you been doing this and and kind of like what sparked this interest? ah About a year and a half.
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I was lucky enough to grow up in an environment where I was around a lot of construction. My dad's a carpenter. My parents built the home that I grew up in I spent a lot of unattended hours while they were building using some excess materials to like, for instance, I tried to build my own little fruit stand and sell crab apples at the end of the driveway. And tried to build a chair for myself because as a kid, you're like, I am not having a great time just sitting around on this work site. I need a chair. Yeah.
00:20:54
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Just trying you know to to do stuff that I found fun at the time. And I think that kind of continued lot of home renovations in the last few years. So I gained some comfort with certain types of tools.
00:21:06
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And then a few years ago, turning videos just started appearing on my YouTube recommendations. And i I would watch them like I was being hypnotized. they They were just so enjoyable to watch. And so I thought, I really want to try this.
00:21:23
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And I had told my husband about it and he surprised me with a a workshop. he He reserved a spot in a workshop for me to try a life out. um Oh my God, that's awesome.
00:21:37
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and Unfortunately, we showed up and they
Exploration and Growth in Hobbies
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they did not realize that they had someone who did sign up. And so they had canceled the class and they didn't notify us. um So we we didn't get to actually do that class together.
00:21:50
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But I i felt relatively confident that I wanted to partake in this hobby. And he had known that I'd been shopping for lathes. And the price difference wasn't actually that big of a difference between trying the class and getting a lathe. So my next birthday came around and a lathe showed up.
00:22:12
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And the it that that's how I got started. And and it's it's just been a lot of weekend projects here and there over the last year and a half. I try not to spend all my time in the garage. that but i have three dogs as well. And and so i have you know some some other parts of life to attend to, but commit yeah it's hard to resist just spending all my time in the garage.
00:22:39
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Holy. Well, and so you're self-taught, like you never like took classes or were in a workshop with somebody who did this. So you just like YouTube and yeah trial and error.
00:22:53
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you YouTube was a huge resource for getting to watch technique. There's I mean, there are tons of channels, but I started watching ah channel called turnable.com. He has his own website as well.
00:23:06
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He really breaks it down as if you've never done this before. And I found his videos really useful. Reddit, there's a turning sub that you've got lots of beginners showing off their work, asking for advice, talking about techniques, asking about what tools should I buy if I want to do this or that.
00:23:26
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um and And so there is a ah community of people that I don't know, but that have taught me a lot. god regret it And YouTube. i yeah my god I think a lot of people in in any hobby space ah or or any like life skill have learned a lot from YouTube.
00:23:46
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Yeah. Yeah. And you've made like, I think you've expanded kind of the types of things that you make. So you've really just gone from like, did you start with bowls and that kind of thing and then go to.
00:24:01
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now Like what's the beginner version of you know, i feel like when you start knitting, it's like a scarf. Yeah. What's the beginner lathing or
Encouragement to Explore New Hobbies
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turning? Piece.
00:24:13
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Piece, yeah. Product is, yeah, that's a good word for it. um I think most people would probably say spindle practice. The way that a the the grain orientation runs along a spindle is often similar to if if you're looking at the trunk of a tree or at a branch of a tree.
00:24:35
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If you'd cut right through it, you can see the the concentric rings. and And if you can imagine the very heart of the tree is the axis on which you're spinning. the The spindle itself, if you turn that way, the material comes off a lot easier.
00:24:53
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it it doesn't fight you. And so it's it's more forgiving and you can use... A simpler set of tools like the carbides I mentioned work well on spindles. So that's that's a great way to to start out, even if you're not trying to make a finished piece. If you're just experimenting, using certain woods is also a good idea. Like poplar is very forgiving if you're just, you know, this is the first time you're you're You're trying this at all and you're a little nervous.
00:25:20
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That wood cuts like, if I could compare, it cuts like mozzarella compared to like a really hard cheddar cheese or something.
00:25:32
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it's It's just easier to scrape material away as as it turns. And are you getting the wood, like you're buying it from somewhere, you're finding it? I've tried both.
00:25:44
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the The trouble if you try to acquire your own wood, like we we had to cut some branches off a tree in the
Future Aspirations in Woodturning
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backyard, is that it's very wet when you first cut it, especially if it's a live tree.
00:25:55
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And then you have to ah seal it so that it doesn't dry out too quickly. Otherwise, it cracks all over the place and becomes unusable. And the ah trouble with that sealing process is it takes years to dry out after you've sealed it.
00:26:08
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So I do have some stuff in the garage that I'll be able to turn in a few years that is from you know my own house, but my backyard. But if you're looking for a specific species of wood because it's really pretty or you want something that's already been drying for years, your best bet is to go to an online store or an in-person store. And there there are a couple options in the Denver area.
00:26:34
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And there's many, many options online. So this is different than just going to your lumber, like big box, something that.
00:26:44
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I don't think I've ever seen or or looked for blanks at Home Depot or Lowe's type of store, but a store like Rockler or Woodcraft, they they probably have what you're looking for.
00:26:57
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So do you have a vision ahead of time or are you a little bit more like the piece will speak to me and evolve as I'm working? eye Like it'll tell me what it wants to be or somewhere.
00:27:11
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This is probably the toughest question i I get asked by any friend who finds out that this is my hobby. I never know how to answer it. yeah I think a ah lot of the stuff that I make is for gifts.
00:27:26
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So if I've got a family member's birthday coming up or something like that, then I i kind of, I'm just going to try to make something that I think they would like, whether it's a useful object or a bowl, depends on the person.
00:27:39
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For instance, my my mom, i I asked her instead of usually just trying to assume what someone would like. I asked her what she might like for Mother's Day and gave her a couple of questions about what kind of wood would you like? And and what, you know, do you want it to be useful? That kind of thing.
00:27:57
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And she said either salt and pepper grinders or um it's like ah a plate that spins the way something on and the centerpiece of a table would spin that has, you know, like condiments. Yes, that's the word. Thank you.
00:28:11
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So I've got that ahead of me from my mom. So it's, it's often gifts that you're not really trying to get overly creative. You're just trying to think what would this person want? But if I, but both of those require additional mechanics, like they do, it's like to get something to grind it's or to turn. Oh my God. Okay.
00:28:33
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All right. You're, you're clever though. So there's ah There's a couple of resources online for buying different hardware components for for projects.
00:28:44
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Salt and pepper grinders are a great example. They're a couple bucks for the hardware. And then you just have to read the instructions on you know what size to make the bowl.
00:28:56
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the piece or that goes around whatever you're making. So that can be a frustrating part of the process because you don't always have the right ah tools. And it if you do have the right tools, sometimes it can be hard to make a perfect fit, but that's just part of the, that's part of the hobby is, is a little bit of frustration. And then once you get over that hump, the, the relief and happiness that you you got it done. How pride.
00:29:21
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Wow. But if if I have like a few hours on a Saturday that it's up to me what I'm going to make, I'm probably just going to look at whatever's in my my wood pile already and what's dry enough to actually turn today.
00:29:37
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and then I'll base it off of that. And if it's if it's like a ah big cubic shaped block, I'm probably going to make a bowl. if it's a If it's a thin sort of flatter blank, I'll probably make a plate or or something else. But I like to try to make something new and different every time.
00:29:58
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i i don't think I could ever do production turning, which is where you make the same thing over and over. i think part of the fun is is trying something new whenever you get the chance. Yeah. And you...
00:30:11
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Did you you start an Etsy shop? Just like a small shop, I know. I did think about it. um a lot of people I've found out from Reddit, they they go down that same that you know thought process of, I really love doing this. Wouldn't it be great to quit the day job and just do this full time or even part time to you know supplement things?
00:30:33
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your income. And instead of me spending all this money on my hobby, i can self-sustain the hobby with the money I might earn from selling stuff. And at least for me, I don't think it would be lucrative enough and it would it would destroy the fun part a little bit.
00:30:49
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So i've i I did think I would do that at one point, but I've i've moved away from that since. And you can see a ah lot of people online, and they they come to a similar conclusion.
00:31:00
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Yeah, just not mixing it at all with the commerce side of things. Yeah, blanks are so expensive on their own that it would be hard to make profit off the top of a sale.
00:31:13
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Maybe spending time just like yeah doing all that when you could be turning. Yeah, yeah. just for i've I've got enough family members and friends to turn for as it is, I think.
00:31:26
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And it's more fun to just give someone something when they're not expecting it. Well, and especially something wood. Like, how often do we get something that's made out of, like, real wood?
00:31:40
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Not very. We, a little while back, were in a disc golf tournament together, and... Mariel gave us, it was like the four of us, these little, what do you call them?
00:31:53
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Minis. Minis, like mini discs made out of wood. They're like what you mark your spot with. So you know where to throw from. my gosh. The things you never expect to be made out of wood, like a disc, like a frisbee disc.
00:32:08
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How cool. yeah Be like, these are one of a kind, you know, like that is so great. Yeah, so what is the process like after you've done the turning? So it's like um you said sanding, what happens after?
00:32:25
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Yeah, you turn it into the the basic shape that you want, and you usually use calipers or another tool to check that your thickness is you even where it needs to be. You get it down to the the right shape.
00:32:39
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um And then depending on what tools you've used, you might not need to do a lot of sanding. If you've got really sharp gouges, you've probably already got a really well-finished piece, but If it needs some additional love, you get out the sanding pads and you you leave it on the lathe.
00:32:57
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And as it's spinning, you put the sandpaper up against it. oh i Sanding sounds like a fun, therapeutic exercise to a lot of ah people who are like...
00:33:11
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adjacent to the hobby or they know someone who turns like the act of like you're, you're close to finishing it. You're, it's getting smoother and smoother. it is quite a task though, depending on how much you have to do It it just, it's, it's not fun to go from, let's say 120 grit to 180 grit to 240 320. Like you just keep going up and higher and higher and higher.
00:33:36
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um And if you go a little too fast, cause you're anxious, you got to go back because if if you If you rise too quickly or if you skip some some grits, you don't get that really, really nice, smooth finish.
00:33:49
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So the sanding process is not super fun, but it's definitely necessary to having a piece that you're happy with when you're done. And then the only step after that is...
00:34:00
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finishing it. And there are so many options for finishes. there's if if something needs to be 100% waterproof, you might use something like an epoxy. i I don't often use an epoxy for finish. I don't have a need to make most of my stuff waterproof.
00:34:17
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There are lacquers that are spray-on, varnishes, there's water-based and oil-based poly finishes, but i I'm pretty partial to friction wax polish.
00:34:30
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So you you leave the piece on the lathe still, and it's this, like, brown liquid that the one that I use is made of natural elements or ingredients.
00:34:43
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It smells like apples. I don't know why. it's this liquid that you put on a cloth, you wipe it over the piece, and then you turn the lathe back on and you you put that piece of fabric against the the freshly applied liquid and you press.
00:35:00
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And the ah heat generated and the friction of pressing on the the piece while it's spinning, it turns that liquid into a hardened wax that creates a really nice shine across the whole piece. And at least with the one wax that I use, it's safe for children. It's not going to hurt you in any way, but it also might not be a hundred percent waterproof. So it depends on your use case, what finish you use, but that's the one that I like.
00:35:30
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That's science happening. You're you're basically like, It's amazing how many uses the lathe has. Like, it's like, oh, and then you still use the lathe to sand it. And then you still use it. Like, it's just, that's insane.
00:35:43
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That is so cool. Yeah, it's pretty fun. That's a science that I did not know. Like that that the friction could cause something to harden. And so it's like, right like the opposite of what's happening with the wood where it's actually, you could just carve a away on it.
00:36:00
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Yeah. Wow. It feels like magic while you're doing it, but you're right. It's science. Yeah. It's kind of like when people make whipped cream, like, okay, just keep whipping it eventually. And you're like, no, it won't.
00:36:14
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Oh my gosh. It did. It took a few a few attempts to actually understand how this stuff worked because I i like i wouldn't apply enough pressure and it would be tacky.
00:36:25
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And I'd be like, this is this is terrible. Why does everyone like this stuff? um It took a while to understand that you you have to trust the instructions and really put the pressure on and don't over apply because it's just too much ah liquid to to harden if if you go too thick.
00:36:44
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Yeah, you've really put in the work. Like, I mean, just it sounds like you there's the fun parts, but there's also the parts that are that are kind of tough or you got to figure out, but you really have been dedicated and stuck it out. Like...
00:36:58
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i get i I guess so. i It's not felt difficult to to invest my time in learning this stuff. and It's just, it's fun. my My brain lights up when I get to think about this stuff.
00:37:10
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I'm sure that's how it is for anybody with any hobby. It doesn't seem like work or effort to to dedicate some mental space to learning about it and researching it and and getting better.
00:37:24
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But yeah, I didn't even think about like the number of hours I've probably spent thinking about projects might be more than actually working on them. Yeah. It seems like you're an incredibly like curious person in general and that you enjoy hobbies and trying different things. and I think so.
00:37:45
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I'm a tinkerer. it's very cool if i i that If I have the option to do it myself, I'll usually pick that, even though it might be a waste of my my you know precious weekend time, that kind of thing.
00:37:59
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But for instance, I rode my bike here today and I could take my bike to the shop for regular tune-ups, but instead I have a like a toolbox of stuff that like i'll I'll do it. I'll do the maintenance. I get to learn something and i get to take care of my own stuff. It's kind of fun.
00:38:15
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And I think you, didn't you redo your kitchen? Almost single-handedly. I needed a lot of muscle. So shout out to my husband, but yeah, we, we did it ourselves.
00:38:27
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Yeah. But you were like the, like the one who conceived of it and like figured out what y'all are going to do. yeah and It looks amazing. Might have to give a ah shout out to anxiety on that one or, you know, some other, you know, mental factor. i I can't turn my brain off no matter how hard I try. It just wants to think about stuff and, know,
00:38:49
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the only way I can make the thoughts go away is if I follow through. the Those are really productive thoughts though. And you have to be certain level of like clever and handy to be able to bring those thoughts and vision to fruition. You know, like there's, that's incredible. Cause I, you know, my sister is very handy and i remember her She took off the front wheel of my bike once. No, no, no, the back wheel, because it's a little bit harder. yeah But then she was like, oh, and then this is how you can just put it back on.
00:39:20
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and I was like, cool. And I couldn't do it. I watched a million videos and like, i would be like, yes, I see that. And then as soon as I tried to do it, like my brain doesn't allow the two things to like connect.
00:39:31
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but Like I can't do the thing. And i'm always like, this must be infuriating for people who can, you know, to like watch and be like, what don't you get like It's just this, you know what I'm like? but think I can't do it. it's I think you're selling yourself short.
00:39:48
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I really do think it's all practice. True, true. but i think it's all practice like true true It's, a you know, no one's, I mean, maybe some people are, I can't count myself in this group, but I think most people like myself, we just, we need to practice something before we're good at it.
00:40:08
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And you keep at it. Need the the courage or the confidence, whether it's completely misguided confidence or not to to say, I'm going to try it. ah And that's, that's the, if there's anything you need, I think it's just the confidence to try.
00:40:24
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That is so true. Yeah. Yeah. think That you can do it. Yeah. Sometimes it is doing things like what you said about like taking the anxiety that might already be there and harnessing it in a way that's productive and useful or like whatever it is.
00:40:38
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Yeah. um Which I feel like for so many of us, it it is something like anxiety or boredom or or whatever, or trying to save money. you know, it could be whatever the motivation is and be like, I'm going to get this.
00:40:52
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tire on or off of this i will watch as many videos as i need to yeah and i'm just curious like what do you do with all of the wood dust that do you like make a is it great kindling so ah since getting the dust collection system i haven't filled up a full bag yet so it's it's been a pretty recent purchase but i I don't actually know what I'll do with it. I hadn't considered kindling, but maybe I should.
00:41:22
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i i know that for a brief moment, I was like, maybe I can use this in the backyard. There's a lot of mulch in our backyard, but it's such a fine particle matter. I don't know if that's a good idea.
00:41:33
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Plus some of the woods are the kind of wood that you don't really want the dust in your environment. And we've got three dogs. And so I i do think there's a good chance though they'll end up either in the garbage bin or maybe maybe kindling i have some have some wax that i could melt down in it like and to i don't maybe make the burn time longer i'll have to look into that oh it's almost like a candle like but like maybe like a campfire brick like a wax and sawdust type of combo thing that could who knows maybe there's something there
00:42:11
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Yeah. Yeah. As long as, you know, it's not dangerous for those things to burn or whatever. Yeah. That's a fair point. Interesting. Yeah. I'll have to do more research on the, you know, potential hazards of all of the kinds of wood dust that I know are in that bag.
00:42:25
Speaker
More for you to research. Oh my gosh. But, um but yeah, do you have something that you'd like us to give a try to to see if we can experience the fun of this hobby?
00:42:40
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I, so i I don't know how easy this will be for, for Patty to participate in. i thought long and hard about what could i tell you to do that doesn't require you to spend any money.
00:42:52
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And the the best I could come up with was imagine either of you or both of you that you're going to make a bowl. I want you to think about the kind of wood that you'd want it to be made out of based on suitability for for what this bowl would be used for. you know Does it need to be waterproof?
00:43:13
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Does it need to be food safe? does it does Does it need to just be beautiful, like have a certain luster or chatoyance to it? you know what like Look-wise and suitability-wise.
00:43:26
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So pick a wood and then also pick a finish. It can be one that I didn't mention because i'm always looking to try new stuff. So if if you in your Googling find a finish that you think seems fun, go ahead and recommend it to me.
00:43:39
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And then i know Charlotte, you, you and I are in the same place often, but if if you guys can come up with what you'd want to make, I can make it with you or I can make it on my own and give it to you.
00:43:52
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Oh my gosh.
00:43:56
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Yeah. Yeah. Is that an, is that an okay assignment? That's cool. Patty, I saw that there's $29 frontier flights if you want to come on out. Well, then, I mean, that's like, how can you not? yeah there you go How can I not? $29 frontier flights. I don't know if all of them are, but they're doing some sort of special. Probably like an $80 bag fee or something.
00:44:21
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I'll just wear lots of layers. yeah You'll just need one small bag for your bowl and that's it. There you go. Yes, exactly. If you can't make it out though, we can absolutely FaceTime you while we work on it.
00:44:32
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Oh my gosh. That is so cool. Yeah. i mean there There was a part three. Sorry. There's a, there's the pick a wood, would type of finish, type of finish. And then you need, I would like you to draw the basic shape.
00:44:47
Speaker
Okay. Okay. Yeah. Can you hold up the ones that you guys have there? It's so funny because at first i was like, oh is she like into singing bowls? Because I saw the but thing coming out of Yeah.
00:45:00
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Oh, so almost like a salad bowl. Oh my gosh, that's pretty. That is called, I believe, jojoba wood. I don't think that's food safe, just so you know. This one is like a top, a spinning top. It's a spinning top made of iron wood. It's very dense and heavy ah compared to other woods.
00:45:20
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This is maple, one of my favorites to work with. Oh, wow. Okay. So then you put like additional, what are those even called? Like rings. Yeah. They're like, I just kind of carved into the sides a little bit to, to give it some ridges or i don't even know what to call those. That's a good word.
00:45:38
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Was that a stamp on the bottom? as Do you have your own? i do, yeah. um Like a brand or whatever? Yeah, i I have a really, really lovely partner. he He asked what, I make a lot of stuff for him.
00:45:52
Speaker
And he told me that I should have, you know, like a logo or an emblem. And yeah so he pestered me enough that i drew one. It's my initials, M-M. Oh, so like it's this way. Yes. Okay, this is the correct way.
00:46:07
Speaker
And they're they're kind of overlapping. It's just two letter M's over overlapping. and And so i I now put that on all my pieces, but he he bugged me enough to so not think that was a narcissistic thing to do, that I actually did it. totally Absolutely. Because you think about it like, um what's that called?
00:46:27
Speaker
Antiques Roadshow. And like how often they can tell what something is because the artist did put their thing, you know? So it's like, we need this. Yeah. What is that, Charlotte? coaster? Yeah. It is a coaster. But it's handmade and it's not like produced in a factory. Yeah.
00:46:43
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so This one incorporated... some epoxy. There's so one of our, but one of our favorite ah beers is called Heady Topper.
00:46:54
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You could only get it in Vermont. And so i i have an aunt knuckle who they came out to visit us and they brought us a four pack and i kept one of the cans. I cut out a circle of the label for that you see on the can.
00:47:09
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I turned the coaster shape, glued the the metal part of the cans circle into it. And then poured some epoxy on top so that any condensation on the cup that we rest in the coaster doesn't over time affect the the piece of the can that i cut out yeah like a perfect use of epoxy because it's like well this is what it's going to be used for we need something that's water resistant oh my god that is really cool this is nothing to be proud of but I brought the first thing I ever made which is just an ice cream scoop handle um
00:47:43
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. That's something to be proud of. Yeah. And it has the scooper in it too. so You can unscrew it so that the the scoop can go into the dishwasher. Dishwasher.
00:47:55
Speaker
Brilliant. Brilliant. it's also And how does it feel in your hand? It's hefty. It's heavy. yeah It's like, oh, then I can get a good scoop from this super frozen ice cream. And like, this is very, like kind of a perfect hold. It's ergonomic. You know? Yeah. Ergonomic.
00:48:12
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Very nice. you You can't feel it, Patty, but I'm sure Charlotte's noticing it doesn't feel like it has a finish on it. Yeah. Because I didn't know what I was doing back then. need to refinish it. if You don't want your fingers slipping while you're scooping your ice cream. So it's a nice grip.
00:48:30
Speaker
And then there's those are beautiful. What is this? It's a it's a canister. you could You could put you know something like spices inside of it or salt or medication.
00:48:44
Speaker
It's just a ah ah small ah canister that has a threaded lid. You could put somebody's ashes in there. like Yeah, I guess so. Like yeah if you're a pet mouse.
00:48:57
Speaker
It is pretty small. you know how sometimes just get parts of somebody's ashes? Yeah, that's true. You could like split them up and then yeah and then this is the epoxy thing. Oh, wow. It's so trippy.
00:49:10
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I really wanted to get that finish crystal clear, but never quite achieved it. So this one will probably go back on the lathe someday when I finally want to give it another try.
00:49:21
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but how does that How can you get it more crystal clear by putting it back on the lathe? I'll try the sanding process over again. um oh and must have moved too quickly as I went higher and higher grits.
00:49:35
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So see, as you were giving us that advice, it's from experience experience yeah I I think uh every project I've ever made there's probably a mistake in it that I either left there because I was like i I don't know how to fix this or learned from it and like tried it again to not make the mistake again but you learn a lot from your mistakes probably more than you do on YouTube those are beautiful thank you very impressive ah yeah
00:50:06
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Yeah, it feels like you've been, you know, you're like one of those people who has like an apprentice because you've been doing this for so long or something. The of the pieces, but I'm looking at them.
00:50:19
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ah totally Totally. I think I'd be the apprentice, but i I appreciate the compliment. Thank you. That is really cool. Yeah, I'm excited. And maybe Charlotte, we can even like brainstorm together what the type, the the piece, you know, the type of what type of finish That's really generous of you. Thank you. Yeah, sure Absolutely.
00:50:41
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I'm sure I talk Charlotte's ear off about woodworking every time we see each other, but I can't believe that it was interesting enough to her every time I brought it up that she invited me to do this.
00:50:54
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Well, I mean, I think that, you know, I have some similar qualities to Patty where it's sort of like maybe the the physical, stuff of like the bike situation like resonates with me so things like that like what you're doing with the woodworking i find very fascinating just to be able to do it and be that interested and teach yourself yeah it's kind of kind of amazing to me yeah truly yeah like people's passions especially like this isn't this isn't your career you know like it's and it's to know that it's something that's so recent too is so cool so like
00:51:31
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Yeah. also think it's so funny that YouTube was like, Hey, I think you'd like this. And you're like, I do. Yeah. They read my mind. I would love to know how many other people like they were pushing those two at the same time. And like, did it take, you know? Yeah.
00:51:47
Speaker
yeah And if they'd, if they'd sent me something else, would I have a totally different hobby? Oh, right. Yeah. I don't know. I do think part of the hobby is it's come with me from childhood and, and, you know, having having the, the smell of sawdust is just very nostalgic to me in general, but I think that had some influence. So maybe I would have found this hobby either way.
00:52:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You were like predisposed. do your parents still live in the house that they built? They do. Yeah. it's ah It's a really good house. And are they like builders or?
00:52:24
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They, I guess builder, maybe, maybe not like in a developer sense or like as a contractor, but my, my dad has always been a carpenter for as long as I've been alive.
00:52:36
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He started out working for someone else. And around the time I was probably like three to five years old, he started his own business and, ah but him and my mom started a business.
00:52:48
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He specializes these days in the installation of trim and really elegant handrails. If I can just brag about my parents. remember him doing a,
00:53:00
Speaker
i remember him doing a a handrail in the home of an NBA player who played for, ah what's the Philadelphia team? 76ers? 76ers. Yeah. And I got to take photos of the handrail that he did.
00:53:15
Speaker
that This player did not live in the house yet. It was a new build that needed a beautiful handrail. but And like he was the guy. They're like, oh, we need a beautiful handrail. Yeah. Got ask the married old mom or dad. Okay. Wow. yeah So he, he still does that to this day as a teenager, gone to a couple of jobs with them here and there, and just always being around some sort of renovation project probably had a lot to do with the undeserved confidence I have to just try stuff.
00:53:45
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Yeah. Yeah. The nature and nurture side of things like probably in your genes, but also, know, you've seen it. Yeah, like i wouldn't I wouldn't know where to start with an instrument, but maybe some kid out there who has parents who have musical aptitudes or abilities and they've exposed that to their children, maybe they turn out to be great musicians too. There's there's got to be an element of that to it.
00:54:11
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yeah, Charlotte, you do music and you write, you know what I mean? Like, so it's just kind of crazy, like similar, like you just have this belief, like, yeah, I can do it. Yeah. My dad's into reading and writing and that kind of thing. So it's just like, oh, that's what we value.
00:54:28
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ah If I can ask a question, ah what prompted you guys to want to do a podcast on this kind of topic of people's hobbies? Yeah. I'm trying to remember exactly if it was like, cause we both kind of have hobbies, but we're not like, I don't know, at least for me, I'm never as dedicated and as focused as you are. And, but like people who are like you and like that are very interesting to me.
00:54:55
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And so I think like, I'm interested in people who become like really into stuff as like my hobby. So, That's pretty cool. My hobby is being interested in your hobby. yeah um actually You doing your hobby.
00:55:11
Speaker
Well, and so Charlotte and I, Charlotte was nice enough to be like, Hey, what have we thought about doing a project together and doing a podcast? And then we said we would each come with some ideas of what it could be and we both had a version of this as an idea and so we were like well shoot that's gotta to be it you know um and i do i find people talking about what they're interested in incredibly fascinating and i'm very curious like i'm not great at follow-through
00:55:43
Speaker
And probably my best hobby is watching TV. So I'm pretty lame. You know a lot about podcasts. Podcasts. Yes.
00:55:54
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Both things that are kind of like can be done while sitting on your couch or taking a walk. And we were kind of like, well, we want to try these things because this will like get us to try things too. Cause I, I mean, I ah love me some TV too.
00:56:06
Speaker
And so I need to like, get off my butt a little more and yeah just try so try things out and love and then also thinking about like the accessibility of stuff so you're making it really accessible for us and then just youtube and reddit is anybody can access those to kind of learn yeah definitely that is an interesting question though like mariel do you how accessible do you think this hobby is for people There are certainly cheaper ones, but I do know that there are a couple studios, at least in the area I live and probably in other cities or or larger towns that have
00:56:46
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the kind of shops that it's meant to sell you stuff, tools and things, but they often have actual classes that you can take that have different levels of ability. So there's you know the intro class, intermediate and and more advanced level courses.
00:57:00
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I don't know how many of those classes you can take before you've kind of broken even on what it would have cost to invest in some of the the equipment on your own, but at least you don't sink all this money into buying stuff that you three months later realize, I don't really care to do this anymore.
00:57:18
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um So there's, there's classes. And then I've never gone to one ah because I, I've inherited a lot of hand-me-down tools from my dad, but there are also, are businesses where you can rent a space or rent your hours and, and go use the equipment sort of like a gym.
00:57:36
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where you have a membership, you go in, you use the treadmill and the lifting machines and you go home, you can rent time to use their planer and their miter saw and the jigsaw and all these different things to make your own work.
00:57:50
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And some of them even have some of the space dedicated towards the ability for you to sell your stuff like a pop-up like an make exhibition type of thing like a it's they just you know featured work where people could off the street buy it or maybe list it online i don't know and i don't know if those shops are more geared towards hobbyists or people who are trying to make a career there's probably both varieties but they exist too That's cool.
00:58:16
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Yeah. Because I remember even like at the Park District in Chicago, like they had woodworking classes that you could take like for adults or camps and so things like that. And so I'm sure obviously woodworking is a huge category.
00:58:32
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But ah when you mentioned camps, I have a ah co-worker who recently went to science camp. And so they told us like, hey, I'm going to be out of office next week.
00:58:45
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So this is an adult. This is an adult. It was an adult. And kind of took us all by surprise at first. But then like we all realized, why do we limit camps to being something for children? Like, why can't adults do camps too?
00:58:59
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So I would love to see... that I mean, it's certainly not stigmatized, but I'd love for that to be more normal and yes and have those those options available to you, like in lieu of a vacation, potentially, if like, I'm going heavily invest in learning about something really interesting and niche for a week, that kind of thing.
00:59:19
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Absolutely. Yeah, because I just went to the Iowa Summer Writing Festival and they call it a festival, but honestly, it's just creative writing camp, you know, like that's what it is. Yeah.
00:59:30
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With wine sometimes. And that's my kind of camp. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. i'm going to start calling it writing camp when I go. I'm going to writing camp. Well, and so i'm curious that'll be so interesting to find out, like, who puts on this science camp? Because, like, I have a friend, two friends that are on the board for Illinois Science Council, and it's to bring science...
00:59:52
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to adults because it's like there's plenty already out there that are bringing it to kids and so that's great but like if you're not in the sciences but you're interested in science like here we'll have these different you know events and things like that and so it's like who put this on and what was it and like what camp would you guys want to go to like if there were ah camp that you could as an adult like just to learn anything like yeah oh this is great question I'd probably want to go to like a circus camp.
01:00:26
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yeah Which part of the circus or all parts? ah Probably the ones like pertaining mostly to like balance, like the the acrobatics. Yeah.
01:00:37
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Yeah. I have a, it was a gift when I was a kid. My dad got me a unicycle. He likes to he call some challenge gifts, I think, to like, you know, go ahead, see if you can figure this out.
01:00:49
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So i I got interested in unicycling as a teenager and always thought it would be fun to learn some other stuff in that realm. But I don't know how many times you get an opportunity to like stand on a high wire safely.
01:01:01
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the suburb of Chicago that I lived in before I moved was Oak Park, and they are very liberal and very wealthy. And um they have a circus camp through their park district.
01:01:14
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And so my cousin lives there. So her daughter did circus camp. And then my boss, my current boss lives there and her son did circus camp. And he rides around the neighborhood and a unicycle because like that's what he did there. And it's just like, it's so cool. And then you get to try it all out, right? Like, oh, well, I think I want to do this. But then it turns out I'm really good math.
01:01:34
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Yeah, what a great idea. And like to see a bunch of like adults like doing flips on a trampoline or juggling. Yeah, that would be fun. What about you, Bryce?
01:01:47
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It's a tough question. I didn't think I was going to come up with an answer. Yeah, but you kind of just, youre you knew it. Yeah, it's almost like we should just say like first thing that came to mind. And I'm like, but I didn't have anything. that Although there was this show on Bravo for one season only where it was like,
01:02:04
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Basically a sleep, like a go away camp, you know, like you would have done in your teens or whatever, but for adults, like that they could just go with their friends and that's so fun. Like where you're just like doing all of those like activities, you know, like capture the flag and canoeing and whatever else, but as an adult camp.
01:02:23
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Yeah. Mm hmm. I'm not putting any of those things. be Survival study. oh yeah. Yeah. Learning to forage. ah ahha fun I think I'd want to do something related to the water or the ocean. Like I did do an outward bound thing right after um high school. I think it was like a week and it was sailing.
01:02:45
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oh So almost something like that. Maybe just... The same thing. Or maybe like kayaking and learning how to do something like that.
01:02:56
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Yes. That would be great. It's not exactly the same, but I think there are sort of similar opportunities in like um eco-tourism.
01:03:07
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You could check out a cool trip to like Costa Rica or Iceland or something where you you you go out and do a bunch of stuff and see nature. Like the ones, there are those ones where you like hike to one place and then you camp and then hike to, or like you'd stay in like a bed and breakfast or something, yeah but like kayaking instead. Yeah, that would be so cool.
01:03:27
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And I think the part about like calling it a camp that I like is that like, there's no expectation that you already know how to do this or that you're good at it. Cause sometimes if you like sign up for a trip or whatever, it's like, oh you think I'm going to know how to do this? Or you think I'm going to be like, yeah, take the pressure off. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:48
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I mean, i like, I want to have like a, an answer that's like, you know, aeronautics camp or whatever aeronautics is or like accounting camp. Like, you know I know, but I just want to pay you to go to that one. yeah it's supposed to be vacationy So I want to be, we what makes you want to have an answer that's accounting?
01:04:16
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I just think it's funny. Oh, okay. It's like science camp. We're going to teach you this like thing that you don't expect camp to have for adults, you know? Got it Okay. Okay.
01:04:28
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was like, I thought there was like a sense of obligation. Like I should be responsible with the camp that I go to. it' like, okay. No, I just want to want that. Yeah. Uh-huh. All right, friends.
01:04:40
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01:04:50
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