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6- Long Falls - The Follow-Up
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On this week's episode we start out with some catch up and cover interests for the new year, Oliver Burkeman's book 4,000 Weeks, Lunar new year traditions and celebrations, Goods Unite Us app, the economic blackout on 2/28/25 , a trip to Hawaii and seeing Melissa Ethridge and the Indigo Girls.
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
You know that thing you love that your friends and family don't want to hear about anymore? Tell it to us, Patty and Charlotte. We want to learn all about your weird and wild obsessions or your perfectly normal hobbies that you've taken just a little too far.
00:00:15
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We want to dabble in your curious interests. Can we interest you in today's episode?
Real-Time Recording Excitement
00:00:34
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Hi, Patty. Hey, Charlotte. How are you? i'm good. How are you? I'm pretty good. Thanks. I wanted to say that this is exciting because this is the first time that we are recording something in quote unquote real time for the podcast.
00:00:52
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Any listeners so far might have noticed that some of our recordings are quite dated. Yeah. first For some people, that might not be a problem. Like my mom listened to the basketball episode and did not realize that it was quite outdated until she heard the reference to the Olympics and then something clicked for her.
00:01:15
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she was like, well, that already happened. But now yeah, for anybody who knows anything about basketball or sports, they were probably a little confused.
00:01:26
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Well, and unfortunately, yeah, our disclaimer about, you know, like putting it in the description. Not everybody reads the description. So exactly that's how that goes. Yeah.
00:01:37
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But now we are getting on track with recordings that are closer to the time that we are releasing them. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's weird to be recording now that we've actually put podcasts live out into the world because it was different when it was – I mean, it it still doesn't feel like we're talking to anybody except ourselves, but it really didn't when when they weren't out. So we decided that the little chit-chat and catch-up up front, we could do more real-time, even if the episodes that you'll be listening to right after this are, you know, from –
00:02:16
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The recent past.
New Year Intentions
00:02:18
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The less recent past. ah but Well, and keeping with that theme, wanted to talk this week about, well, recently it was the Lunar New Year. That was at the end of January.
00:02:31
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Plus the the other new year, January 1st, people a lot of times do resolutions or just like a word for the next year that they think about something um like an intention for that new year. And so we wanted to talk about any interests that we would like to get into or get more into this coming year, 2025.
00:02:56
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Yes, exactly. you did you Do you have anything that you've either been working on or that you want to work on? Oh, well, so a few years ago when my friend Elizabeth suggested the whole word thing to start instead of resolutions, I loved that. And so mine for quite a few years has been enjoy because I don't tend to just like enjoy things or try to just do things that would be enjoyable.
00:03:26
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um So i am trying to do more of that, of building into my day-to-day and then also especially in my free time, things that are just enjoyable to me.
00:03:40
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um And so some of those have been, I'm trying to invest a little bit more in my space and making it a space that feels really comfortable and homey and functional.
00:03:52
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it I you know moved in almost two years ago now in July, and it really still looks very much like someone just moved and certain things unsettled. So I've been trying to spend a little bit more time on that.
00:04:07
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And then the other piece is trying to explore a little bit more of the city because, again, it's been almost two years, and I feel like I have pretty much stayed to what like the areas that my sister lives enjoys or knows and then also like just what's near us or near the kids' schools and things like that. So I've been indulging in Reddit, which is, you know, both a gift and a curse and trying to like try out different restaurants or bars or um activities and also enjoying the um activities that the library tells me about in their newsletter, you know, so all the good resources that I've mentioned and trying things out.
00:04:51
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and get myself out there o i I really love that. And do you feel like you've been able to like enjoy these things more? Like, i don't know, actually b into them?
00:05:06
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Yes and no. But it's a good practice. And I feel like the more i do it, the better I'll be at it.
Mindfulness and Minimalism
00:05:17
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You know, and it's kind of like also the more opportunities there are, the less all in it feels like.
00:05:25
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If there's just one bad outing, it's like, okay, that's just one of dozens versus like, that was the only time that you've gone out. And so now you're going to think about it and, you know, beat yourself up about it and then think about it the next time you're thinking about doing something, you know, so it's like...
00:05:42
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just a numbers game. feel like sometimes i was reading, i think it was Oliver Berkman's book, 4,000 Weeks, or maybe the follow-up one um that he has, which is like meditations related to And the concept of that book is that In an average life, there's approximately 4,000 weeks that we have.
00:06:05
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That feels very few. It does. It does. um Although to mention my mom again, when I told her that, she's like, that's a lot.
00:06:16
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and guess it just depends on your point of view. but Totally. But he talks about, you know, that concept concept of mindfulness and how sometimes it's hard because it's like, okay, am I being mindful enough when I'm doing this activity? Am I enjoying this enough?
00:06:33
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Am I? And then he can bring you out of it. But then you're like, should I be more in it? And it's kind of stressful. Yeah. Yeah. Like practicing. It's kind of like they say with meditation, which, you know, I guess considering he this book might have been the one that he writes about meditation, but are the meditation about it um is People are always like, I can't turn off my thoughts. And it's like, well, you don't have to.
00:07:00
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You know, like it's not going to. Just let it like float by. But the more you're like thinking about emptying your brain, the more aware of what's going on in your brain you are. So it's like the more you're trying to like be like, just be in the moment. It's like, well, but I'm not in the moment because I'm telling myself to be in the moment. And if I were in the moment, I wouldn't be aware of what's going on in my brain, you know. yeah.
00:07:22
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But I feel like also I'm just not good at knowing what I enjoy. And so by trying out a bunch of different things, it's just giving me more information. It's like, well, like what was good about that? What did I hate? You know, and is it the company? Is it the, you know, activity? Is it the time of So yeah.
00:07:41
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so All of that stuff. Well, I really like that. And I just recently moved. So that whole getting your space in order is something that I am trying to do and make it more functional and not just kind of like, this is where this fits. And so that's fine. I'll just deal with it. Yeah. Congratulations on the move. That's very exciting.
00:08:06
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Thank you. yeah But then also because it's like you and Adam together, it's like, It's not just your space. So that's like a wonderful thing. And also like, oh, OK, this is what works for me, but maybe not for you or I don't know.
00:08:22
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Yeah. Yeah. which Which is nice that now we have more space because before we were. living together in a two-bedroom condo and so now if it's a house like there's a little more space like I have an office and he has an office so ah we can yeah ah like have just not two bikes in the bedroom which is I'm not saying that's a thing that happened but it's a thing that happened for a little bit Just the winter. Yeah.
00:08:54
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Yeah. So ah Lunar new New Year, you mentioned earlier, and that's something that your family celebrates. So what did you guys do this year for Lunar New Year? We got together at my parents' house and this year ah my parents and my mom especially wanted to do some of the traditional things that you would do in um in Taiwan or for that for the Chinese traditions ah because the you know her grandkids, my nieces and nephew,
00:09:25
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They know some of those things. they like They've learned some of those things already, but haven't maybe had the chance to really do them. So they made these traditional dishes that you would have and set the table for the ancestors. And then would have incense. And you would kind of do a little almost like a prayer.
00:09:47
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don't know if it's a prayer, but like I only know the Chinese word. i think you would like bye, bye. And then you would take like fake money and then burn it outside so you can like send money to your ancestors.
00:10:01
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Make sure that they're taken good care of in the afterlife. um So we did all those things and then ate lots and lots of food. Yeah, it was really nice. Oh, that sounds really cool. And is that something that you you and your brother did growing up as well?
00:10:18
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We really didn't do it that much, but there were times that we went to Taiwan and have done some of those things. So we've done, yeah we've done some of the like um offerings of fruits and using the incense and then burning money.
00:10:36
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No, it wasn't like a regular thing. So it was nice for us to be part of that. Oh, and how nice for your mom to be able to be like, let's do this and celebrate, like revisit those traditions that she did.
00:10:50
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So when you say you were um set the table for the ancestors, is it – what does that look like? Oh, I do have a picture. So maybe I can post that on one of our social media accounts.
00:11:02
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But there's different ah dishes. Like there's always a fish, um like a whole fish, I believe. Yeah. And then I'm not as good as at remembering some of these things as like my brother and my mom.
00:11:16
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They know all the dishes and they like know their names. And I'm just like, I like to show up and eat.
00:11:23
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So it's not like it's it's getting the food ready versus like you're not um putting out a place setting for ancestors. Okay, got it. Well, I don't know because we did. I think there are the place settings.
00:11:38
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Yeah, so we had a picture of of those place settings. also, I showed up late, so I missed that part in the beginning. I'm going to be honest. I came in as ah as they were doing some of this, so I was there for the burning of the money. yeah
00:11:59
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And then ah you also give um some money in like a red envelope to at the kids. So we did that as well. And as I tried to remind my mom, I believe that you're supposed to give a red envelope full of money to any unmarried people there.
00:12:19
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so I tried to get get get one, but isn't she said no. Because I'm 45.
00:12:28
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But unmarried. Yes, exactly. i pointed that out. And her child. Yeah. I mean, unmarried people don't get that many benefits. so No, it's true. Yeah, we really don't.
00:12:39
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Yeah. I thought maybe this one.
Ethical Spending and Consumer Impact
00:12:42
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yeah good Good to keep in mind. Okay, mom. Doesn't count. I remember um my, because my roommate freshman year of college was from Taiwan.
00:12:53
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And so I hung out with a lot of Taiwanese exchange students or study abroad students. and um And I remember us doing the Chinese New Year or like the Lunar year New Year at like a college, like some university event.
00:13:07
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And they like had the red envelopes and showed and like, i think they put some money in it too, which I was like, Don't be giving your money away to people, but yeah. And is that also um when the moon cakes, is that a part of that as well? um I think that's Zongchoujie and that's like mid-autumn festival.
00:13:28
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Oh, okay. So that's... And that's more about a different moon time, not the new year. don't know. oh I guess so.
00:13:39
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We didn't have any mooncakes. We didn't have any mooncakes. So I know that. Got it. Okay. Yeah. I will ask no follow-up questions. Just share what you would like.
00:13:54
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This is editor Charlotte here jumping in from the future to let you know that I have consulted with my mother and she has confirmed that mooncakes are only for the mid-autumn festival, not for Lunar New Year.
00:14:07
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And now back to the episode. um Yeah, so that was very nice to to do that. Yeah, I tend to like I wanted to do like a holiday newsletter, you know, where people do that around like Christmas. Oh, yeah.
00:14:24
Speaker
But I send them out or whatever. Yeah, I'm always late with with a lot of things. So I think I'm going to do one for the Lunar New Year, even though that's also passed.
00:14:36
Speaker
So it's going be ah two month late newsletter. But, you know, nobody's getting mail at this time of year. So it is so true. Yeah. Yeah. and And then it won't just be like one of many that they're like catching up on and they're like, I don't remember. Was that Charlotte's or was that, you know, someone else's? And so it's like this way you get the full you get their full attention.
00:14:59
Speaker
That's right. That's right. Like this month, it's about me in your mail. Yeah. Yes. That's cool. So um that's a goal of yours. But do you have any other kind of intentions or interests that you're pursuing for this new year?
00:15:16
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Yes. So am also doing kind of like a word for the year. But my word is No. It's true just no.
00:15:29
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So i before the end of the year, I bought this ah mug that has like a ah cat on it. And it's just the cat saying no. So I could remember because at the end of this year i was doing.
00:15:44
Speaker
Like two part-time jobs, um several different referral sources for therapy, and just a lot of things that I needed to say no to some things so that I could focus on other activities more. But also I wanted it to be related to spending Because, well, I would like to say no to certain companies who I do not like and also maybe just to buying too much in general.
00:16:16
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And so I'm trying to do something where I buy like one new thing if I need it that that's like not needed, but like one new thing a month.
00:16:29
Speaker
and That's not the counting like restaurants and things like that. Sure. Yeah. and Not like groceries. Not. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, I did it in January. I failed in February because I moved to a new house and not a lot of things.
00:16:45
Speaker
But would like to try buy more used things. But wait, how January Oh, January was good. Yeah, I did it. think the only thing I bought was that I didn't need or that wasn't like...
00:16:57
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food or going to a restaurant was crust white strips. I've been talking about talking about getting crust white strips for a while because when I watch the basketball they constantly have ads for it and it seeped into my mind.
00:17:13
Speaker
and It's so effective. It really was. ah And so I did that. And then this month it's been less good, but still, still good. And I, I use this app called goods unite us um where you can figure out like if a particular company, like where their executives are donating money to, and if it aligns with your values. o Yeah.
00:17:43
Speaker
That's been really useful too. Oh, that's so good because even just, you know, ever since, like I found out Target, for example, was going to start, stop their DEI program and Aldi the same.
00:17:58
Speaker
And then Trader Joe's is owned by the same company as Aldi. I was just feeling so overwhelmed by like, how do I even figure that out? Like it's one thing when there's an article that specifically says that, but then it's If they don't have something, you know, if nothing's written about them and they're just doing it in the secret or they never had, you know, and that's just one part of a company's, what's the word?
00:18:23
Speaker
The way that a company runs themselves and treats their employees and treats the environment and treats the world around them and Yeah, how to figure all of that out just felt so overwhelming. And I know that one of my friends, when I said, well, we can't go to Aldi anymore, she said, no, they're just taking it off, you know, external postings and things like that, that to their stakeholders. and And I feel so torn about that because it's like, in one way, i just want to make sure, like, are you treating people well? And if you're doing that, isn't that really ultimately what it's about? Because especially, you know, so many people only...
00:18:59
Speaker
adopted these programs recently for because there was pressure on them. So it's like, if it's just to make yourself look good, does that really matter? Versus if you're treating your employees well, if it's a good place to work, if you're, you know, thinking about the environment and where you're sourcing your products from and who you're supporting, like you said, you know, where are these people donating their money?
00:19:21
Speaker
isn't that ultimately what matters? So I just feel so torn about that. So that's a great resource. And you said that that was... It's Goods Unite Us. Goods Unite Us.
00:19:32
Speaker
They recently started this new feature that I think is speaking to what you're talking about, where people can kind of vote on whether to support or boycott a company and That could be based on things that's like more recent feedback or known things about the company versus like the the information about the donations is a little dated, like it might be from last year.
00:19:59
Speaker
So this can kind of address, okay, ah do people know this company to be generally like personal? pretty good what have they heard what have they seen in the news and then um like give that kind of feedback more quickly okay so i think that's useful in a way and then it can also be useful for the companies to see what people are thinking about them and if they need to be changing up what they're doing somehow well that's my hope at least Yeah, because that's the other piece is like I want I know that I'm not like a giant spender, but I want the companies to know this is why I'm no longer buying from you. Like Target, I used to live upstairs from you and go all the time. And the reason that I've unsubscribed to your emails is because you've made this decision, you know, and so.
00:20:52
Speaker
I feel like, yeah, in a capitalist society, that's one of the strongest ways that we can indicate how we're feeling, you know, show what am I trying to say? Like in in a capitalist society, it's it's one of the strongest ways that we can send a message of supporting or not that hurts people in a way that they will pay attention to.
00:21:15
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Money is what they're going to pay attention to and how they're doing in terms of their sales. I will just mention one thing. um My mom, because, you know, it's a heavy mom episode today.
00:21:30
Speaker
My mom was mentioning that there is going to be a national boycott of like don't buy anything on February yeah. Yeah. so yeah I will be taking part in that.
00:21:41
Speaker
And I think it would be great if that's the other thing. How do we make sure that everybody is aware of these things that are going on? So if you're able to just don't buy on February 28th.
00:21:53
Speaker
Is that um not buying anything, including food or from restaurants or from local places? Yeah. Oh, wow. I believe so. Of course, i should probably read more into it. um But I believe so, you know, it's to show like, this is this is what it looks like.
00:22:12
Speaker
We will look for and post a link for anybody who's interested. Yes. Great point. Because as you guys can probably tell, um I like to just say things and then think about it later.
Community Connection
00:22:27
Speaker
Same. Tony Kukoc, turns out he's not from Eastern Europe. He is from Australia. So, you know, whatever. Things just get said. There's a lot of the same letters in both of those words.
00:22:40
Speaker
and let Disregard everything that I just said because it was actually Luke Longley. Oh, my God. and
00:22:48
Speaker
So I guess in terms of interests, I will say saying no to things and then ah buying less and trying to do less in some ways is not necessarily taking on new interests. It's maybe just focusing my energies more on my existing interests.
00:23:10
Speaker
Yeah. And i think that that is what I need because otherwise I am very distracted by any shiny new thing that pops up. Like constantly I'm like, oh, it would be a great idea to start yeah calling up. Oh, I think this is what i was going to say earlier.
00:23:29
Speaker
Like just like send emails to those companies and be like, this is why I'm not buying your product, um which I think people do. And then um calling my congressmen and senators, but then also like job protesting, but then also like, okay, there's a lot of things right now.
00:23:50
Speaker
And speaking of which, for anybody who has looked at our podcast landing page or description, have added something, little 2025 special.
00:24:03
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it is A quote from Vaclav Havel. Yes. because Charlotte is reading a a book that this came up in, right? Yeah. I read On Tyranny by I think it's Timothy Schneider.
00:24:18
Speaker
It's very short, very quick, easy, good, a terrifying read. And he talks about how engaging in your interests and connecting with others on your interests helps support democracy because it supports community and joy, enjoyment.
00:24:41
Speaker
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, it's ah I'll read it real quick. um This is why we should engage in activities that are of interest to us, our friends, our families, insofar as we take pride in these activities and come to know others who do as well.
00:24:55
Speaker
We are creating civil society. So, yeah, it's like if we're looking for ways to connect to people who we might not agree with on everything, we're you know sharing your interests with them and learning about theirs is definitely a way to kind of build a shared understanding of each other and also just expand what you know about the world and about people and all of those things.
00:25:19
Speaker
So There's a lot of disconnectedness these days and a lot of loneliness and finding those shared interests and connecting on those can can really help with that as well.
00:25:33
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Strengthen those connections. Yep.
Library Recording Humor
00:25:36
Speaker
We're doing our part. And, you know, um part of part of what is the intention of there being so much to focus on is that, you know, people will have a sense of feeling overwhelmed and not really know how to move forward. And So then just kind of melt down. So your goal of like really saying no and focusing in on things is so, so smart. It's like pick those things that you care about or that you're interested in or that you have the skills for that can make the biggest impact and just focus in on that.
00:26:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I just got to keep that mug within my eyesight, my range of vision at all times and just remember like just say no.
00:26:23
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Be a cat. Yeah. I still say I'm like, well, saying yes to 10 things at a time is fine, right? It's not 20.
00:26:32
Speaker
and Right. It's scaling back. It's all relative. It's hard. It's hard when you want to do all the things. Yeah. And then you get tired of them like five minutes later.
00:26:45
Speaker
Oh, this turns out to be harder than I thought it was going to be. I couldn't figure it out right away. I'm not interested. Yeah. um So anything else before we hop into our follow up to the episode of Long Falls?
00:27:01
Speaker
ah The only thing I have to add is that um I'm really grateful for anybody who's already listening to us. So grateful. Yeah. Excited for what comes next for this podcast.
00:27:13
Speaker
Yes. And please tell a friend, tell your therapist, tell your mom. Moms like this podcast. mom Yeah. We got 100% mom vote on this podcast.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah. Which, I mean, considering is pretty great. So please tell people and we will, we're continuing to try to make it easy to be found on Facebook. Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever else you listen to podcasts. So help us out. Thank you. And um enjoy this episode of our follow-up conversation about Long Falls.
00:27:48
Speaker
Hi, Charlotte. Hi, Patty. Woo-hoo! Oh, my gosh. Technical, technical, technical. Yeah. And I need to learn to project. Yes.
00:27:59
Speaker
We're finding our voices through microphones. Yeah. Yes, we are learning things about ourselves. Well, and it's funny to be in a library where it's like, be quiet. And it's like, no, no, no Talk.
00:28:14
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Be loud. Shout if you must.
00:28:19
Speaker
Yes. It's also funny to be in a library with a drink. Like they're like, oh, drinks are allowed. Yeah. Uh-huh. That was nice and icy. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:28:31
Speaker
And they never have stopped me, so. I know. And I think it's probably because they think like, oh, these are musicians. They need And I'm like, um, no, I just need caffeine.
00:28:44
Speaker
Yes. Same. Same. So,
Hawaiian Adventures
00:28:48
Speaker
how are you? I feel like it's been forever since we talked and you've been like around the world or country.
00:28:55
Speaker
Yeah, I do feel like it's been forever. Yeah, I was in Hawaii, which does kind of feel like another country. It's like, I don't know, you get jet lag, you get it's the hours difference and you you get a meal on the plane, which always signals to me international travel.
00:29:14
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Absolutely. And once you're there, there's like a whole culture of their own, which many states don't really have. many states, it's just like, I don't know. Well, for one thing, Colorado has a culture, but it's not like, oh, they have their own language and several languages and customs and traditions as much as Hawaii.
00:29:40
Speaker
Right. Yeah, they're still alive and well. So how was Hawaii? It was really nice. It was, i know this is going to sound so complainy. It was a little bit hotter than I wanted it to be.
00:29:54
Speaker
But then I heard that September and October get even hotter. But also I'm a person who becomes very like big baby in the heat.
00:30:05
Speaker
Yes. Agreed. Me too. Yeah. I was saying saying this to somebody. Oh, I think Steph, my sister-in-law. And she was like, Oh yeah, I know that from years ago when you came to DC. And I'm like, Oh good. Glad I've been being a big baby for decades.
00:30:22
Speaker
Yeah. but Well, in D.C. it gets swampy. That's like um St. Louis. It's so, like when I saw in on the weather app, like yesterday, that it was going to get up to 99 this week.
00:30:37
Speaker
I know! was like, but we just had like 70s. And I was like, oh, good, we're moving into that. No, 90s. And it is again today. It's like, ugh. Well, and the pumpkin spice latte is back. And so that does not fit with 99 degree weather.
00:30:55
Speaker
It doesn't. It is. No, that is like all kinds of wrong. Okay. So other than being a little hot... how But it was beautiful and um i got to do some very cool things like go to a bone dance, which is B-O-N, I believe it's spelled. And it's like a traditional Hawaiian kind of event where people dance and ah welcome back their ancestors.
00:31:26
Speaker
Hmm. It was really nice. You know, everybody does sort of these line dances kind of. And there's lots of families there. And they also have, you know, food for sale and different items that you can buy. And I bought a pair of house slippers, which as you know, as a part Chinese, Taiwanese person, can't believe I never had slippers.
00:31:53
Speaker
So you didn't know, I would just take off my shoes at the door, of course, but then just walk around barefoot. But Oh, interesting. Was that even something like you guys did it growing up? Like, does your mom wear slippers?
00:32:07
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She often doesn't, but it is like kind of traditional that you would have slippers available for guests or, and a lot of people do wear slippers around.
00:32:17
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And so sometimes she, she does and Adam does, but a white man, but I finally have some. and Finding the right slippers is tricky. Like I don't want slippers that I have to like put my whole foot into, but then at the same time, if you have to go up or down stairs, it's like having just like the slip-ons or the clogs can be dangerous. So it's like, ah, you know. Yeah, I should have brought them for for you to see because they're they're very cute. And I feel like they're a good mix where they're going to stay on your feet, but it's not like encasing the whole foot.
00:32:57
Speaker
Oh, that's good. And it has a cat on it. Like there are cats on them. That's so cute. Yeah. For some reason it says, look.
00:33:07
Speaker
Look, my foot. ah Wait, where does it say look? Is it like on each thing it says look or like when you put them together? On each thing. Okay. Look, look.
00:33:19
Speaker
Yep. then And I think a a lady made them or she brought them to be sold. But either way, supporting the Hawaiian economy. Yes.
00:33:30
Speaker
And were you there to see a friend or what was your... Yeah, I was there to see my friend from college, Martha, and I stayed in her place while she stayed with her boyfriend. And um her place is on the 29th floor of this condo and overlooks the ocean and these mountains.
00:33:51
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And it's like a 10 minute walk from Waikiki Beach. yeah Wow. So it was beautiful. That's cool. Yeah. I ate so much good food.
00:34:03
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It was an exercise in ah self-consciousness about aging because everything I did, i was like, how come this is so hard? Yeah. Going into the water and trying to paddleboard, but also just like getting in a bathing suit. Right.
00:34:26
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Especially if once it's wet. Oh, once a wet living suit's wet. yeah There was one point where she and her boyfriend, they were like, we're going to swim to that buoy out there. and I was like, cool, cool. I'm going to tread water here until you come back.
00:34:44
Speaker
Oh my gosh. Wait, so do they do like a lot of outdoorsy? Yeah. They surf like almost every day probably. Which that, I mean, if you can surf, forget about it. Like you're an elite athlete. Yes, exactly. So that's why when they said, we're going to go swimming, like, and they gave me some goggles. I was like, oh, swimming, that's nice.
00:35:09
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But they meant swimming because they like keep in shape so they can surf. Wow. Yeah. That's really intense. Yeah, yeah.
00:35:19
Speaker
But it does make me want to, ah you know, meet somewhere in the middle between where I'm at now and where they're at. see that Because you can't um surf every day.
00:35:33
Speaker
you I mean, you know, you just can't. Yeah, I'm in a landlocked state. i I just can't. But, but you know. In terms of physical activity. Cause then I came back, I was talking to Steph and she said, Oh, do you want to do a sprint triathlon?
00:35:47
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And probably if she had asked me before i would have said, hell no. And then now I said, yes, you need something to make me do it. Well, and the sprint is the one like Judy, Chris, and I did a sprint years ago nice Lake Geneva.
00:36:05
Speaker
And it is, it is good because it's like, it's hard and it introduces you to the whole like three sport, you know, and transition and everything. But you're like, Oh, that's it.
00:36:17
Speaker
Oh, that's it. You know, like for most of them. And because you just did your run. you've got like the run down. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. yeahnos just Yeah. just learning how to swim better and remembering how to ride a bike.
00:36:33
Speaker
Which I've been looking to try to find places where I can take like adult swim lessons because I love to swim, but I want to learn the strokes. Like you said, like learn, like swim better.
00:36:44
Speaker
And it's unreal. Like the YMCA has them, but so many of them are during the day. And I'm like, it can't just be retired people that are taking these, right?
00:36:55
Speaker
Like. Yeah. well What if this would be great if you asked for time off from work to take swim lessons? Like, oh, do you need time off for like, you know, to make sure the children get to and from school? No, no. Swim lessons for myself. Yeah.
00:37:15
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you could You could just say, i have to you know I have to take time off for swim lessons and they will just assume then you you know don't have to clarify. ah Right. no No more details needed.
00:37:27
Speaker
That would be awesome. You could get a private swim coach or something. Oh, that sounds pricey. And I don't want that much attention. i just, you know, like i like when they're about like at least four. So like you can ask a question, but not Not have them watching you the whole time. Yeah. yeah And be like, I'm going to get it. Just give me a minute.
00:37:51
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Stop looking at me. So do you think you and Steph will sign up for one? I think so. Her sister had been talking about it. And so I think that's what got her thinking about it. But her sister is also an like ah very athletic. So, but that's, I think that's how you you do it is you have to have a reason, something that like is going to intrinsically motivate you. Right. Yeah.
00:38:17
Speaker
That you and really enjoy doing. Yeah. And then if you can't, then you just sign up for something and then you have the extrinsic motivation because you have to. And that's what I do.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah. Like in order for that race day to not be horrible, I need to yeah work out
Active Lifestyles and Volunteering
00:38:35
Speaker
these days. I was just this morning with, so my sister signed herself plus one to um load donated bicycles into an ocean shipping container that are going to be going to Africa.
00:38:53
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well They said they think this one is Ghana, like the country will be Ghana. And I guess they do this twice a year. It's this like organization called St. Louis B Works.
00:39:05
Speaker
Yeah. So the whole day it was like, or from nine to noon, we were loading bikes from a warehouse into this huge shipping container. And it was wild because at one point I like looked in the shipping container and I was like, wait, where all the bikes that we've brought out? Like, cause they're just packing them so tightly wow that it like didn't even take up much space.
00:39:27
Speaker
So I am like so sweaty and so gross smelling. I feel awful for whoever has to come into this risk recording studio next. And i was filthy. Cause like, you know, you're just like picking up bikes and ah like, I'm just filthy. It's so gross, but There were guys there in their seventies were like in great shape. And I was like, that is inspiring, you know? And it's like, you can't get to your seventies and start trying to be healthy or even having interests.
00:39:58
Speaker
you know You have to do it all the way along. Yeah. And build it consistently. and And it's good for your brain, too. And yeah, so I think those are motivations, too. It's like the aging thing is starting to to feel like, all right, you used to be able to just coast and now...
00:40:18
Speaker
You got to actually work at keeping keeping this up.
00:40:24
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um Listeners, she just pointed at her physique. Keeping this up. This figure. but oh my gosh.
00:40:37
Speaker
What about you? Yeah, I was Just in Chicago for a week, went back home. I brought the two little ones with me. And so we flew there and that was fun. And it's so good. It's such a short flight because Layla is so afraid of everything, but flying is one of them So it was like, okay, there's hardly even enough time for them to like bring us a drink and we're already back down.
00:41:01
Speaker
And then we took the train back. So the train was very, very fun, but much longer. And I saw the Indigo Girls and Melissa Etheridge at Ravinia. How was it So amazing. I couldn't believe, like, I'd never seen Melissa Etheridge. I've seen the Indigo Girls quite a few times.
00:41:21
Speaker
um including I think once with you in St. Louis when we stopped because Vanessa wanted to go. Yes. And then also i think that one of them like recognized Vanessa because weren't we like really close?
00:41:35
Speaker
Yes. Stage. That's right. I forgot that was there. I know. So, but yes, so, but Melissa Etheridge, I'd never seen before and her voice is unreal. Like she still has it and it's just like,
00:41:50
Speaker
Oh, it was so good. It was really good. And it was a lovely evening. in you know, there it was like, everyone was very nice. The train, we took the Metro there and back and it was packed and they, the logistics were so stupid. It was like, you get off the train platform and they had everyone going into one line. There was one poor individual checking everyone's bags.
00:42:13
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And you know how Ravinia is. It's like this outdoor, you know, bring bring everything. And they're checking people's bags. It's like, what you going to find a lot of stuff in there? Ridiculous.
00:42:24
Speaker
Yeah. So I think we waited in line to get to the line to have our chickenck tickets, tickets checked for an hour and a half. right Yeah. So it was good that we'd got there as early as we did, but we must've called off.
00:42:40
Speaker
I know that's what we were thinking. Like we'll volunteer. We'll each take a half hour shift, you know, it's a great idea. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:50
Speaker
But it was fun. It was nice to be in Chicago for the week. And and then school started this week. so I can't believe it. Yeah. I guess that's, that's hence the pumpkin spice coming back.
00:43:01
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School is starting and it feels like fall. Yeah. But it doesn't feel like fall, but I guess to people with children, it does. Well, even that feels so early. I'm like this far before Day.
00:43:17
Speaker
I don't know, but yeah. Whatever. So early mornings, the 14 year old, unfortunately, has his bus picks him up at 630 in the morning.
00:43:28
Speaker
What? Oh, no. I feel so bad. I'm like, it's not so bad now, but wait until winter when it's like dark. and Is that just for the little kids or like what what is it for the older kids?
00:43:43
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That's the 14 year old. Wait, that's the 14 year old? Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah. yeah the little ones there well and it's also funny because there was like a bus driver shortage and so now it's like basically people in their cars that have been hired to like drive them what so the bus that they're taking is this woman's toyota like is it rav4 or whatever or crv whatever that is usually like and it's got a sticker on the side that says like you know
00:44:14
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Missouri drivers or whatever. And um yeah, and she comes and picks them up and drops them off. And I was like, does anybody else go in your bus with you? And they're like, nope.
00:44:25
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What?
00:44:28
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Then why does it have to come so early? i know. i Well, so for that- that's for their little kids. Oh, okay. Little kids, theirs comes at eight and then drops them off at 4.30. Yeah. Okay. Got it. But that is- It's strange. Yes, it's very strange. but Like they thought they were going to have buses and then one of the vendors pulled out. And so then they like went with this other vendor and I don't know. And people are like, why aren't we more up in arms about this? And I'm like, who are you going to be upset with? Like, I don't, I mean, i don't, it's not ideal, but like, what can you do? You know, like if people didn't want to be drivers or like they're not getting paid or the school's not paying, like, I don't know, you know?
00:45:12
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Yeah. And also, um at least they did something to fix the problem. I could see some places just saying, well, parents, you got to figure it out.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yeah. Could be worse. It could be worse. And it may get worse. Maybe in the winter, the the lady quits and then.
00:45:34
Speaker
Totally. Well, and this is already our second driver. Although the first driver was very nice. And he like even called to say like, I'm being moved to a different route so that I can get to my second job in the afternoon. And I told her what a nice family you are. And I was like, oh that's very nice. Thank you, Hasan. But, and best of luck.
00:45:53
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but yeah okay
Survival Stories: Book Discussion
00:45:55
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All right. So we had your wonderful uncle on Mr. Jim Hamilton. And he talked to us about long fall survival. So our homework from him, which we kind of gave ourselves, was to read his book, which I got in the mail. And it's such a great book. And you're mentioned in it. I love that. and I am.
00:46:15
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Yay. It's called Falling. Yes. amazing Amazing survival stories. And you can get it lulu.com or greenharbor.com.
00:46:27
Speaker
So... That was great and it came quickly and it's a really nice book. Okay, first off, I am shocked by the fact that he basically wrote, not just like wrote the words, but like physically wrote this book.
00:46:46
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Like this book is his handwriting. And it's based on like, you know, some fonts that exist, but I couldn't, I mean, I just, I was like, holy crap, that is so cool. And then he also illustrated it.
00:47:02
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Yeah. Yeah. it It does look like type essentially, you know, it's so consistent, but he wrote it. Well, and even like, I don't know about you, but back when I wanted to like have things really straight, I would sometimes put like ah ruler down.
00:47:20
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you know, on paper, but then, then there'd be like the really flat, like O's and things like that. And like, no, no, this is so like straight and yet just like really perfect.
00:47:31
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So he's clearly quite an artist. And I loved reading it. I thought it was so good. it Like he, he told us a lot of the stories during his time with us, which was so cool. And I had mentioned during that,
00:47:49
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um that I had heard the one story where she was in the rainforest. And so that was the Julie Kopech story um where she survived alone and she was only 17 years old and her parents died.
00:48:04
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So I looked and it is episode 222 of
00:48:10
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of a little podcast called my favorite murder. Um, and it's, the episode is called that's how water works. So just in case anybody wanted to listen to that in depth as well, just wanted to make that note.
00:48:24
Speaker
That's good to know. Cause I had forgotten how water worked and then that was like how she saved herself. Right.
00:48:33
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Good point. I didn't even, cause so often they're, um, episode titles have nothing to do with stories. So, Hey, way to go. yeah yeah works and I was like, I know exactly what that means because now I know how water works.
00:48:51
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Well, but one of the things like, so, you know, thinking about like, Oh yeah, you learn kind of things from these, the, um, Vesna Vlovic, I'm probably butchering the name,
00:49:04
Speaker
that You know, she was the lone survivor. she was a flight attendant and she was a, what he calls a wreckage rider, you know, so somebody who kind of fell down with the wreckage. And so that likely lessened their, like slowed down their fall, but then also maybe like lessened the blow.
00:49:23
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But she was in a coma for a month. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think that feels like? Like, do you think ah being in a coma or is it just like nothing?
00:49:40
Speaker
Um, i feel like it's probably like there's brain activity going on but i don't know how much people remember. Do some people remember I don't think so. Hmm.
00:49:59
Speaker
I think that, so I've been reading a lot about sleep and I don't know if it's the same, but it's, it's just a weird concept and there's so much going on. There's a lot of activity going on. And I wonder if, if that's um the same with comas, just a lot of um repair and all that.
00:50:21
Speaker
That makes sense. That's kind of like why they'll put people sometimes like in a induced coma or whatever. So it's like repair. Yeah. And I imagine after that kind of ah an experience, your body just needs a lot of rest because it's repairing a lot of stuff.
00:50:40
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well I don't know, because ah regularly, like, it's funny that you say, like, you've been reading about sleep and it's probably similar. Like, I'm like, why do I love sleep so much? Like, you don't even know that you're sleeping.
00:50:51
Speaker
But one of my favorite states is like, when I kind of like come to and realize that I'm sleeping. And then I'll be like, Oh, God. because I love it. I love ah if it's a good sleep.
00:51:08
Speaker
That's very good. Because i think I have the opposite, and not opposite, like, of course, sleeping is is very good and very nice. But like, if I'm trying to fall asleep, sometimes I'll be like, think I'm getting close to sleep.
00:51:21
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Then I'll be like, what even is sleep? And then I'll wake up
00:51:27
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Okay, wait, have you answered that question though? Like what even is sleep repair? Repair time? Yeah. And there's a lot of, there's, you know, four stages that go on and it's very vital. And so then that adds to the anxiety of like sleep is very important, but what is even happening right now?
00:51:45
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And And then I'm like, and just tell myself the things that that I read in this book. What's it called? I think it's called How to Sleep. But I can tell myself things like, we always fall asleep.
00:52:00
Speaker
You know, wait it's you're going to fall asleep. And you never remember the moment that you fall asleep.
Sleep Curiosity and Survival Instincts
00:52:07
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and So Yeah. And to be grateful for like,
00:52:12
Speaker
like bed if you have one and sleep. And so I think your attitude towards it is really like the ideal attitude where you're like, yes, sleep. I love it.
00:52:23
Speaker
You know? And then when people have like an anxious approach to it, um like I sometimes do, it's, it's less ah helpful. Cause then you're just so spiraling. Like you're, and like, I hate that when you're like, okay, you only have five more hours to sleep. So fall asleep now. And it's like,
00:52:43
Speaker
Well, shoot, you know, like i I can't wait. Have you always been an anxious sleeper? I think that I'm I'm an OK sleeper overall, but I'm not great at falling asleep.
00:52:56
Speaker
OK. And i stay up late and that doesn't help either. So it's it's once I'm asleep, usually I'm ok All of that. I'm not particularly an early riser, but I'm a I'm a fall asleep sleeper.
00:53:12
Speaker
issue person. Interesting. seeing I, um one of my friends was doing like a sleep study thing because she has a lot of trouble with sleep. And so she's put herself like on a routine and like she has a bedtime and stuff like that.
00:53:26
Speaker
But one of the people that she was working with suggested a podcast called Nothing Much Happens. And I will listen to that sometimes because it's basically this woman who like writes these stories where it's like,
00:53:39
Speaker
oh, you it's this fake town and nothing much really happens in this, you know, but like you're listening to details about it. And like, it's very nice.
00:53:51
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And it's like that it also helps with like some kind of practice of like getting in the practice of falling asleep. But so I found it useful. But then I asked her, I'm like, hey, have you been using that? And she's like,
00:54:05
Speaker
Well, I find it too interesting. j Oh, you have a different problem. Like you don't want to fall asleep. You probably don't like taking naps. Like you don't want to miss out on anything. Whereas I'm like, I'll always choose sleep.
00:54:17
Speaker
I'm on a vacation somewhere. Great. Oh, everybody's going to the beach, you know, to practice surfing. I'm going to take a nap, you know, like. yeah yeah Yeah, I'm more like her. I'm like naps are naps. I do not like naps unless I have to take one, like if I'm really tired and I just fall asleep. But otherwise, and I've heard that this happens to other people too, but it puts me in an existential crisis when I wake up, especially if I wake up when it's dark, oh you know, and i went to sleep when it was light. But so I think I am like her. I'm like, I don't want to miss out.
00:54:52
Speaker
It's easier to stay awake than it is to fall asleep. how do you fill a day? i don't understand. I don't understand how I fill my days either. and not always with the things that I need to be doing.
00:55:05
Speaker
Well, yeah. So that, that was one of the things, but speaking of existential crises, um I was like, okay, so if you've just cheated death, Are you then feeling so lucky that you are like, oh my God, I need to embrace life. I need to like live life to the fullest and blah, blah, blah. or are you scared of things and thinking like, oh my gosh, I almost died. And so it's so easy to almost die. And now it's going to catch me like in, what was that movie?
00:55:43
Speaker
was in the early 2000s. Final Destination. Final Destination. I went and saw that way too many times in the theater with Javier. don't think I ever saw it.
00:55:54
Speaker
was scary for me. He would go like almost every day. to So yeah, ah it I don't know. and i And I know like people who have, you know, had cancer or terminal illness and then got better and whatever, probably deal with this too, but just made me think like, which would I be? And also do you need to like, you know, actually have a near death experience to change your ways.
00:56:24
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So, well, and I, I was going to bring this up after we talk about my uncle's book, but I think it kind of goes along with it. Cause it's one of the movies that he recommended, Touching the Void.
00:56:37
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And it talks about these two mountaineer... Mountaineers? That can't be right. Mountaineers who they're like 25-ish and they decide to climb this mountain when it's also snowy.
00:56:53
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mountain that nobody's ever climbed but just like free climbing. kind of They're like tied to each other. But you know they both live because they're narrating it. But they like reconst to have like actors reconstruct it.
00:57:06
Speaker
But one of the guys falls and breaks his leg and then ends up... I won't go through all the details, but he ends up falling into a crevasse.
00:57:18
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And then the other guy thinks he's dead. and then so the one who's in the crevasse, he... Basically, i mean, this is a spoiler alert. So if you plan to watch it, just watch it either way.
00:57:32
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But he tries to get out of the crevasse and he can't. And then he like, I can't even imagine this. He decides to go in deeper. He goes down instead of up because he thinks that he's dead, like going to be dead no matter what. So he's like, you just got to keep moving.
00:57:52
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And then he goes down deeper and then he finds a way out, like potentially. it Like he still has to then climb up this other portion, but he sees like some sunlight.
00:58:04
Speaker
Oh, my God. He climbs up there and he gets out and he's so relieved, but then he still has like miles to go um a broken foot. And it just like all the times he thought he was going to die. Actually, you might enjoy it because it made me think of you because I've never seen that show alone. But I know that you had talked to Charlie and stuff about it.
00:58:28
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But that's like a survival show, right? Yeah. Yeah. So that's essentially what he had to do. And he just he said at a certain point he became like he wasn't even – really having thoughts anymore or caring anymore. If he had to go to the bathroom, he'd just pee on himself. Like he just was maybe just one with the with nature. and I mean, not like one in like a positive way per se, but like him as and his identity had sort of dissipated.
00:59:02
Speaker
Right. Because if you're like, oh, I'm going to die regardless. Mm-hmm. it it's a question of like, how are you spending that time? Like he, in his case, if it's snowy, you know, it's not like, Oh, I'm going to just like lay in bed and eat food until I die. It's like, no, you're going to like be either really cold and miserable while waiting for death there. Or you just keep moving because like, it's something to do. And so then who cares if you've got like,
00:59:34
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frozen pee on you while you go. Yeah. And exactly. He said that he didn't even necessarily think that he was continuing to move to survive, but almost like so he could be with someone when he died. And he would give himself these little challenges like, OK, in the next 20 minutes, you've got to go this far.
00:59:58
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And then like because of maybe just kind of his personality, he just would be like, OK, well, I have to do this. Who did he think he'd end up being with when he died? He was trying to get to the base camp where his friend ah was. And then there was this other guy who had been at the base camp too.
01:00:16
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Okay. So the friend had ended up having to cut the the rope um that would tie them together because otherwise, i mean, otherwise they were both going to die.
01:00:27
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And so. Right. Yeah. And so his friend thought he was dead. Hmm. But. Yeah. So, I mean, that one, it didn't really talk too much about how it impacted him after, but more like all along the way, like what he was thinking and feeling, thinking he was going to die or just being sure, like you just got to keep moving forward if you know yourre like exactly what you said.
01:00:55
Speaker
If you know you're going to die, there's no harm in continuing to move forward. And then it's kind of brings into question like, like you're like, well, what is sleep anyways? It's like, well, what is life anyways? Like you we're still living, but like, well, and also then I'm always like, what is it in these people that, and I think we all have it, but different people to different extents, like to go to such extremes, you know, that we're, that what is appealing about
01:01:28
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climbing this mountain that no one else has climbed and doing it free, you know, like without equipment and without anything or like to push ourselves or put ourselves at risk or, you know, what is it about that? That's appealing her Yeah.
01:01:46
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um Nothing for me. I don't think. Well, I mean, I think because I read into Thin Air a long time ago and I really loved that even though it does not end well for many people in that book. But it's, do you know that book?
01:02:03
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I don't think so. John Krakauer wrote it about his experience of um like climbing Mount Everest. Oh yeah, lots of dead people on that mountain. Yeah, it was ah it was a a year that it didn't go very well. and it But it was very like gripping and fascinating.
01:02:21
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And for a while, I thought, oh, maybe I'd like to climb mountains, but I think I just want to hear about other people climbing mountains. Just... ah Yeah.
01:02:33
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It's interesting. Yeah. And I was thinking about this, like maybe that's why my uncle is interested in these things. Like he was talking about how um he's interested in it because he's afraid of heights. Heights. Yeah. Yeah. And just any of these kinds of things that bring you like closer to death or the natural world.
01:02:53
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um Some people want to be like real close to it and some people just want to like know about it. Yeah. Yeah. And I just want to know about it. So as of now, as of now, who knows someday, maybe I'll be more nature-y.
01:03:10
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um But that whole thing where it's like, okay, so you got through the crevasse, but now you have to keep going is so, it's like your uncle said about so many of these falls.
01:03:22
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It was like the fall was part one. And then it's like captured by the Germans. Yes. Or like, finding your way out of the rainforest and like how it's like, i would imagine that, you know, there's a part that's like, oh, I'm so lucky i survived. Wait, or am i you know, like it could have just been over, like not to get all dark, but it's a lot of work.
01:03:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I feel like if in that situation, you i mean you just don't know, but would I be able to like cut my own hand off or any of the things that, that they sometimes have to do, but you don't know until you're in that situation.
01:04:12
Speaker
Right. Like i always think like if there were an apocalypse or whatever, you know, I'm like, Oh no, i wouldn't try to survive. I'd be like, take me take I'm very delicious. zombie yeah I eat only junk food.
01:04:27
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um So everybody, again, that is falling amazing survival stories by Jim Hamilton, and you can purchase it on lulu.com.
01:04:39
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Yeah. Check it out. It does have some cute tidbits that I had wondered about. Like I had heard that thing about like if you drop a cat from a height, like like a higher distance, they have a more likely like chance of surviving than a shorter distance.
01:04:58
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And then he says that. The reason we probably think that is because not a lot of people bring dead cats into the vet. So if they fall from a very high height and they die, we don't know about it.
01:05:11
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so Don't have those. It's good to know. But yes, check it out. Yeah, the drawings are great and also little bits of humor throughout, which is always a welcome thing.
Mental Health Resources and Appreciation
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I do want to say something about the accessibility portion of this. ah One is Jim Hamilton, his website is free to look at and he's got the...
01:05:35
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database, I believe, of of all the falls. So you can take a look at that. The book does cost $25. twenty five dollars Is that right? or Yeah, I think so. But I do want to say about the movie Touching the Void that it's not streaming anywhere like...
01:05:54
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Netflix or Amazon. You'd have to pay on Amazon. But I was able to watch it for free through Canopy, which I got a membership through the library.
01:06:06
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And I found out about it through the library newsletter. way. Yeah. And then you get like a certain number of credits to watch movies that they have on This is Canopy with a K um through your library card membership. Yeah.
01:06:23
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Cool. So you could like watch it on your own device at home. Yeah. yeah Way to go, library. Yeah. It's like, it's coming together. I could never have done this without this podcast.
01:06:40
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Well, and when I came in today, so in my library newsletter, they had just said that they now have sewing machines and embroidery machines for rents. And someone in he the studio behind me is using one of those machines right now. was like, how freaking cool. i See, I need to hem some pants. So I was thinking that about the sewing machine.
01:07:05
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the The knowledge part of it is the part I don't have, but you know we're halfway there. so Right. Well, and then you could just like hang out long enough and see if somebody else checks it out and be like, Hey. Hey, can i give you five bucks to hem my pants?
01:07:21
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Hem my pants. little side business. Wouldn't that be amazing if somebody like started a business at the library? They're like, I don't have a machine, but I will like put on your new zippers or hem your pants at the library.
01:07:38
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Yes, yes. I think that's it's a good idea. we could We could be like, I will record your podcast for you.
01:07:47
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It'll just take me, personally me, 30 minutes to like get my technology right every time. No, no that's both of us. ah Will it ever get easier? one day, someday.
01:08:01
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Cool. Well, yeah, I would say accessibility, good. Mm-hmm. Yeah. to end And I like that he has the the mental health resources too Absolutely.
01:08:14
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Yeah. I think that that's that's an aspect that ah of it that there are a lot of stories where somebody was attempting suicide in here and then they made it. And in those cases, I would imagine it does have the the effect of, hey, is this, or sometimes, not always, but sometimes it can have the effect of, is this really what I want to do now that i came so close?
01:08:38
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Yeah. Right. That's such a good point. That information... If you're in the U.S., you can dial 988 for confidential and free crisis emotional support.
01:08:51
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Thanks to Uncle Jim. Oh, I mean, Jim Hamilton for and was great speaking with us. Yeah, he's pretty fun. And he was such a pro. Like, i was like, oh, he's used to being interviewed.
01:09:05
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Yeah, he came um came ready. Mm-hmm. Cool. All right. Well, until next time. All right. I'll see you. Stay interesting.
01:09:17
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You know it will.
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