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S4.E1. Bring Her Back Review (2025) Last Year's Horror Masterpiece? w/ The Night Club Podcast
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Season 4 of The Average is officially HERE! 🎬 We’re kicking things off with the highly anticipated supernatural thriller, Bring Her Back. From the minds of the Philippou brothers (Talk to Me) and starring Sally Hawkins, this movie has a lot to live up to. To help us break it down, we are joined by a great friend of the show, Travis from @thenightclubpodcast! WANT TO JOIN THE REVIEW? ✍️ We aren't professional critics—we're fans, and your voice matters. We use a unique 50-point Score Card to determine the final verdict. Download the scorecard in our bio/ https://linktr.ee/theaveragereviewsand submit your scores in the comments! We factor audience averages into our final season rankings. In this episode, we score: ✅ Story & Character Development ✅ Script & Acting ✅ Music, Sound Design & Special Effects ✅ Direction & Cultural Impact ✅ Pure Enjoyment (The Big One!) CONNECT WITH OUR GUEST: Follow Travis and The Night Club Podcast https://linktr.ee/thenightclub?utm_source=linktree_profile_share<sid=bba24f19-9d16-4ff8-acd2-ef3363dabfda
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Welcome to Season 4
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Oliver, no. Give me the cat. Give me the cat. Let him go. Let him go, Ollie. Andy.
Encouraging Listener Participation
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Woo! Two months since I've heard that super sweet opener. Yeah! Welcome back, everyone! We are officially kicking off Season 4 of The Average. I'm Jonathan, and I am beyond excited to be back in the studio for another year of movies, chaos, and questionable takes. and i'm tim we've got a massive lineup for you this season everything from high octane action to some of the weirdest cult classics we could find but before we dive into our first movie we've got to remind the new listeners what we're all about yes look we aren't guys wearing turtlenecks in film festivals we aren't professional critics and we aren't here to talk about cinematic motifs for three hours we're just fans
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Our goal is simple. How does this movie actually hit you? We use our scorecard to break it down. And the best part is that you are the third host or fourth host. In this case, if you're watching live, grab the scorecard in the bio of our Instagram. We want your ratings in the chat in real time because your scores get averaged directly into our final verdict.
Guest Introduction: Travis from Nightclub Podcast
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And speaking of guests, we couldn't start season four alone. Joining us to kick off the new year is a great friend of the show and a man who knows his way around a dark theater, Travis from the nightclub podcast, Travis.
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Travis, welcome back to the madness, man. Yeah, dude. Glad to be back. Travis Maxwell, bada bing, bada boom up in this bitch. glad to her Glad to be here. Thank you all very much.
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We're glad you're here. it's its It's fun to so kick off season four and already, man, four seasons. Four deep. Y'all like the four horsemen, but you know without without the horses or something. i don't know.
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This is never written for me neither. And Travis has been here. Travis has been here since season guest and since season one for that 13 nights of Halloween way back when.
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so sweet Yeah, I just jumped right into the beginnings of people's shows yeah all the time. i don't know what I'm doing. I appreciate you guys having me back though. We love having you. All right, so let's get
Film Discussion: 'Bring Her Back'
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into it.
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Tonight we are tackling one of last year's most talked about releases. Bring her back. Yes, this one comes from the Phillipo brothers, the same duo that gave us talk to me, and it stars the incredible Sally Hawkins.
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The setup is heavy. Two siblings, Andy and Piper, are orphaned and sent to live with an eccentric foster mom named Laura. But this isn't exactly a warm welcome situation. Laura is obsessed with a ritual to bring back her own deceased daughter.
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And things get very dark, very fast. It's got that A24 style supernatural dread mixed with some pretty visceral body horror. It's the perfect way to start the season.
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So Travis, Tim, and everyone in the chat, get those pens ready. We're about to dissect, bring her back across our nine categories. Let's find out if this one is a masterpiece or just average. Ooh, terrible pun. I want to jump in real quick, though. I thought a second ago that you said etouffee, and I got so excited. Etouffee? Isn't that food? Yeah, it's a can Cajun meal, man.
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Okay. i got do food i got ri I got really excited. I was like, yeah, dude, etouffee movie. Cool. I love etouffee movies. oh man very nice okay but this movie though dude oh my gosh like i just got done watching it right before we started because i was a lazy bum didn't do nothing last night and wow grapefruit bro grapefruit grapefruit grapefruit so our grapefruit so the reason i last year we kicked off pretty early i don't think it was the first one of the year i think first one of the year was clue but i know we did one of my favorites from 2024 early on and that was the substance
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ah So I wanted to kick off this year with my favorite from last year, which was Bring Her Back. So if you caught the dread broadcast episode where we ranked our top fives, this was my number one pick from last year. This movie blew me away and not because of I saw all the hype on social media about this is the scariest movie of the year, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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That's not what blew me away. The story of this one. So our first category, the story of this movie.
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rocked me and in in the best and worst ways so i don't know if i'm alone on that but uh i i thought this was a modern gothic horror masterpiece and i'm not talking gothic as in like the frankenstein architecture and no like southern it's like akin to southern gothic type shit yeah It's just dark and brooding and very it's the atmosphere that is gothic in
Analysis of 'Bring Her Back'
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nature. And the story itself is mixed with typically when I think of like gothic horror, I do think of romance too. There's a little bit of romantic elements to it. Not a romantic elements involved.
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There are those romantic elements here that familial love of a mother and her children. that is at the heart of this story.
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Jump in guys. Oh man. ah The story itself, like are are we just spoilers? Are we in spoilers zone? We are a spoiler zone guys. Lots of spoilers. Okay.
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So ah as far as originality in the story goes, um yeah, I agree. This was one of the most original horror films from 2024 and whenever you involve ritualistic shit, like, and and you don't know that that's what's happening for a long time, but, but the movie unfolds and you, you get this basically giant ritual that Sally Hawkins is, is, is trying to pull off.
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I, that, that is just speaking to my soul right there. So automatically love that, but it it is also just the way everything plays out. There's some, some things in here I had never seen before and don't want to really see that much again, uh,
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I thought it was super original in that regard. um And I don't know how much that, because we could talk about the the actual thing, but I don't know how much we want to dive into that ritual thing. Because that's the coolest part, though. I love it. I love that part.
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We can dive into it whenever you feel like it. So if you want to, if you want to, let's do it. It's so cool that basically this chick is part of this underground world where they snuff tapes that have demonic possession ritual instructions on them is basically what I'm getting out of this.
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And then what you get, you got to you got to get a vessel. The vessel is going to eat. the person that died, you got to kill another person the same way that the person that the person ate died. And then he's going to the new, the first person is going to spit all the meat and viscera into their mouth.
00:08:32
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And then now they're going to be the the other soul is is in there. I hope everyone followed that. Okay. that's Not only how convoluted and crazy it is not convoluted. Well, it is a little convoluted, but also how poorly I said it. I hope you got that. Go watch the movie. If you didn't already, damn it.
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I followed.
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You got to spit up fucking people matter into other people. And then they're now they're, they got the soul in them that you miss. You miss your daughter. Now she's back in that and she's in this body yeah and you did a lot of. Yeah.
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yeah You got a kid, and a child who's been possessed by this entity who has to eat the dead kid. We're going to take that into the blind girl to bring back the dead girl. And it's like, what the the the whole ritual yeah The whole ritual itself is horrifying in nature.
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And i also, i think what this movie does so well is the reason it was my number one pick from last year, the reason I don't like watching this movie but love this movie is that there's two compelling stories of grief and how people treat it.
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going on here. We have the brother Andy, who his grief is a little different because his relationship with his father wasn't that great in this, but he's still you can tell he's still kind of mourning the loss of his father and where their life goes now. And then we also have Laura, Sally Fields' character, whose grief over her daughter is driving her to do absolutely insane things. Sally Hawkins.
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Sally Hawkins, Sally Fields. i I shit you not, I did the same thing last night when I was talking to Ashley. said, dude, Sally Fields is such a good actress. Yeah, isn't she? Yeah, she's a Aunt May in Amazing Spider-Man, a lot of other things. um Yeah, no.
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Sally Hawkins different different Sally there uh anyways sidetracked who she is about to commit murder possibly two we don't know what's happening with Holly she kidnapped a child she's about to commit murder all to bring back her daughter so the brother kind of takes this protective role After through his grief, protective of his sister.
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And then Laura takes this destructive, monstrous form in her grief, and it shows those parallels so well, and it is tragic through the whole thing. I love this story between what Travis was talking about with the ritual itself is we're told just enough to understand what's going on.
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We are told just enough to get what is happening and that's perfect. And then the grief itself is what makes this so compelling for me.
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Jonathan, did you see the chat? Yeah, I forgot about the chat and i was like, oh, wait, yeah, there's a thing I should look at. ah Oh, you're saying you're saying your mic is low, Jonathan. Can you hear me better now?
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I hear you. I hear you, but it's low. It is low. Oh. now yeah i don't know everything is super loud for me now my okay oh well um to touch on uh because you went through a lot of that uh i didn't know how much we were going to go through because i was going to save certain things for like maybe the characters or or the the script and i still will in fact never mind i'm gonna shut the hell up okay well if if that's the story are we ready to score what you guys thought of the story uh yeah sure okay
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I can kick this off, I guess. I was a five on this story. I've never seen anything quite like this.
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um I probably put a four down if I remember right. I'm not sure exactly. it could it could be a five. We'll just give it the five. Okay. Boom. I think it's a five.
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Unanimous. Unanimous. Did you hear that, buddy? Okay. Travis. Travis, all right, Evans coming in with a four and a half on story. We do do half scores. That's perfectly, perfectly acceptable.
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Okay, yeah. Good job, Evan. Yeah. So Travis, you had some thoughts on character that you kind mentioned. The brother, um straight up most dynamic character in the movie, ah has the most growth. not Well, matt maybe not growth. He kind of is himself.
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But you see him go through the most shit. And tragically, for i mean other than to just be dark and disturbing, he dies. um i don't i don't really i don't really um i hated it, actually. I had to step outside last night when she turns his face over in the puddle. I was like, nah, yeah I'm not watching that again.
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but i To be honest, I cry. I cry at that scene. It's fucked. Yes. It is awful. um I can hear myself somewhere.
00:13:46
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Probably me, maybe? Interesting. you're I don't know. not You're not echoing through here. so and All right. excited headphones on Sorry. Sorry. the The whole grapefruit thing that's establishing with his sister who, I mean, yes, he's taken a liking to her, even from the opening scene, not a liking, a protective role, like you said, ah Tim, from the opening scene, she's talking to these other girls and he he could see already that they're not, they're not having it. You know, they, they're going to, and they do, they make fun of her when they walk away, but he protects her. He says, no, they liked you, but they didn't dress well. So who cares?
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And, but after the after they find their father dead in the shower from what I guess is a drug overdose, they they go crawl under the bed and he's still trying to make things nice for her by saying like, I forget exactly what the dialogue is, but he says, you know, hes he caught a plane to heaven, basically.
00:14:40
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yes and that And that makes her laugh. So it's like, it's all good, you know? Just that role he takes, that protective role is very important. Now, so Sally Hawkins, complicated um i feel oh i feel i feel what why she's doing it but her her i understand the motivation i do not agree at all with the means you know that's that's what i and and you could see the struggle in her sometimes throughout the movie but she she still chooses to you know up until the very end literally the very end yeah to go through with it uh the daughter or um a piper
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Andy Piper and Laura? Andy Piper and Laura. Yep. Yeah. um ah Piper, great character, and she goes through some shit too, especially towards the end of the movie once Andy's completely removed from the picture.
00:15:36
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And everything you know kind of is is hinging on her trusting laura it doesn't help that she's fucking basically blind so but she goes through so much man those three central characters are great and wendy i mean my heart my heart goes out to wendy she should have brought cops with her uh for real uh i want to highlight you mentioned the death of the father and that's that's a pivotal moment for andy and piper that's how they end up in this whole situation but there is a line said later in the movie that blows my mind and i don't know like it's not there's not much else going on i don't know if it is laura manipulating andy more but when andy is in the hospital after cracking his head on the shower in the shower laura is sitting next to him and she says something about um
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Is it your dad, your dad, when I killed him? ah Maybe I didn't catch that. I do know that she like, fuck she fed him hair and made him have that vision of his dad in the shower.
00:16:48
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The dot she's gonna die in the rain thing. Yeah, I thought I thought it was Ali who ate the hair and then did the image. Right. Yes. yes yeah Yes. Yes. yeah yes Yeah. So there's that scene. ah fucked it up.
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It's super quick when Andy's in the hospital and he's telling her, like, I saw my father. he said, protect Viper. She's going to die in the rain. Okay. She says it is so fast, but she says when I killed him regarding Andy's father.
00:17:16
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So it is. Like, has she been manipulating it all from the beginning? Did she pick out Piper before all of this and arrange for this to happen so that she could get because the the child care services already kind of had her in mind? They already.
00:17:34
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had a plan for that so yeah that's just a super tiny line there's not a whole lot to go off of there but it's a revealing line i think that shows the the depth or extent that laura is willing to go to to bring kathy her daughter back to life it is just a super little line who who was also blind correct yes yes yeah do Yeah. um for andy though The gas lighting with the piss.
00:18:04
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Oh yeah. and The way Laura kept pissing in that measuring cup and dumping it. That's some, so that's some psycho shit, son. It is. It is. in hosebe nasty dude jesus It is. It is.
00:18:17
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It's watching this and realizing that the real villain in this movie is Laura. the way she weaponizes Andy's past from when he was eight years old, weaponizes it against him as a reason to take Piper away. ah That scene when they, oh, sorry. nope go.
00:18:39
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the The scene when they're back to back after um Laura encourages underage drinking, which she's she's like, I'm the best counselor in the whole world. let's go Let's get drunk, kids.
00:18:50
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ah that's yeah That don't that don't jive. but He decides to open up to her and tell her his darkness and you're, you're damn right. She turns it all around because she is she is good at being all psychologically and insane. and she's real good at it.
Character and Symbolism Analysis
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Yeah. So it, and that's a, that's a touching scene in a way, but it sucks because of what she does with that information.
00:19:15
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It is you that you hit on it. It's a touching scene in a way. And while I don't condone the underage drinking and her methods of what she was doing, what the directors do, and i was I'll bring this back up later, but this movie is so dark and this movie is so heavy.
00:19:36
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And that scene is a moment of levity between them where they actually feel like there might be a little bit of bonding going on. They're starting to open up to Laura and it is almost wholesome, but you don't trust Laura the whole time. You have this like, what's she up to kind of suspense going on. But the way that scene is put together is very much like this is a good moment.
00:20:01
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the family is processing their grief together they're moving on as a family and then she weaponizes everything that happens that night later so it turns tragic but it's one of the things that I like about this movie that scene really stands out Well, yeah, there's also Evan just mentioned in the chat how Laura manipulates Piper, making her think that Andy punches her in the face when he actually he punched through a wall, you know, and just like the fact that can take advantage of a blind person like that in order to manipulate somebody to that. Just that's that's horseshit, man. That's just gross, dude.
00:20:35
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Yep. Yeah. Her sneaking into the room and punching Piper, like just dropping the hammer. That is. Bruh. horrible awful and uh i will say this maybe maybe not to the excessive amount that they did it but if your dad died you could have at least a shot just at least one you know just one pouring out yep yeah a port yeah exactly pour it out for papa your your abusive father that you didn't know was abusive because you blind shot
00:21:07
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Exactly. and she tried to make him kiss him. Like, um ahs I was like, Oh, dude, it's customary. It's customary, darling. It's like bad custom dude. Like, yeah, often on the forehead fine. But kissing a dead person on the lips, do you like that?
00:21:20
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Not happening out, dude. it it would It would have to. it my My kids would be the only one, probably. That that would be it. like that i And i I don't know. Even then, it's yes, it's fucking weird.
00:21:32
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They're dead, man. I haven't even touched a person in a coffin because it doesn't look like them. They're they're going to be different texture, different temperature. no thanks. I'm not touching them with my fingers. They're going to feel like ah like fucking wax or something, man.
00:21:47
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Exactly. You just touch the sleeve. You just touch the sleeve, and that's good, man. little pa Little pat on the chest and move on. Little pat on the shoulder, like, hey hey. Miss you, pal. Miss you, it your buddy.
00:22:03
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Remember all those times you turned on the shower and beat me? Damn.
00:22:08
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sorry dale It's also super symbolic that the dad dies in the shower. But you we're talking about Andy. So just to read my notes that I had on Andy, I love how they establish him as a genuinely good kid, but with a troubled past. His growth is shown when he treats others and how he treats others when no one is looking. We see that when he gets a moment alone with Ollie after she leaves and he offers Ollie food and
00:22:40
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He doesn't know Ollie's going to eat the knife, but he offers Ollie food. He's being kind. He's trying to get Ollie to open up and talk. And it shows his resilience. There's little things early on, like he looks at the shower and walks away and goes outside and bathes in the hose.
00:23:00
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He cleans himself up in the hose because he can't the trauma of the shower for him. And then ultimately, Ultimately, it's still his voice that Piper hears that calls her out of that. And I don't know.
00:23:16
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I don't know how that happens. Yeah. I ah think I know. I have a theory. um So remember when Ali meows like a cat?
00:23:29
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Yeah. Well, he had eaten the cat. And then little bit later, ah after he, I think he bit Laura, he was using her voice. Oh, that's true. And, and then when, after ah Piper finds Andy's drowned ass car run over body in, in the fucking house, we don't, we don't know if Ollie got to him too, because, but Ollie's using his voice.
00:23:56
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Just saying there might, there's something to him biting and eating shit. And now he can kind of, mim I don't know if the soul is in there. I don't know. I don't, well, yeah, it would have to be mimic cause Laura wasn't dead. So, yeah but just to say there's something to, there's something in there with that. And that's part of that demon. Cause there's a demon in that motherfucking poor little boy and Connor bird's body. Oh yeah.
00:24:18
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Well, I think, and I think that is still symbolic of at the end, even if Andy died in the process of doing it, he still saved Piper.
00:24:30
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that voice is what made her realize things were off and then finding his body is what oh when she identifies him by the braces ah do ah it's i mean it's sad it is so sad i this is one of the few horror movies that i cry at it tears me up because it is rough If I go blind and I find somebody dead that I'm really close to, all I got to do is take off their shoes and start pulling on their toes. I'll know exactly which what motherfucker it is.
00:25:01
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Trevor, trev if I did that to Trevor, to his dead body, it would feel like I'm juggling a bunch of portobello mushrooms. How many people's feet are you touching, dude? You're touching a lot of feet. all I've touched your feet. feet all the time i i touched you I touched your feet when we met and you didn't even realize it, bro.
00:25:19
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eat Maybe with your toe, like with your shoe, but you tell you with my, with your hands, bro. It was, all you had a whole, you had a whole foot massage happen. know know true if if If Sam ever hears this, he is immediately never listening again. He hates foot shit so bad.
00:25:38
Speaker
I, I do. why don she be Touching in B-dubs. Yeah. no You and your saucy wing fingers touching my toes, bro? Yeah, dude. I needed some some some kind of lubrication. You didn't notice you were walking a little smoother after that? Yeah, dude. You were gliding out that restaurant. Uh-huh. probably because it was couple those tall beers, but i mean, whatever, man. All right. Let's score these characters.
00:26:04
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Oh, five. I'll just say five. i don't know what I wrote, but five. I was a five as well. I went four because I did. Cause I was really sad that Andy didn't get to see it out to the end after all his efforts.
00:26:17
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That made me really sad. But the fact that Piper got away, he was like, fuck that bitch at the end. That made me really happy. So I feel like I'm a little, that little bit of sadness kind of took it down enough for me to get four. And I think Evan gave his earlier. I think he was a four as well. Yup. yeahp And then, um If you're listening to this on the podcast, Evan is joining us live on YouTube in the chat where he can affect the outcome of this as well. So, but... um Yeah, what we're saying, Piper made it out, so did Ollie or conor Connor Burke.
00:26:53
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Connor escaped and made it out too. That's something I was going to get to later in the notes because that's a great part. but it's his so mis Let's hit to music and sound design. It was for sure. So...
00:27:05
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so I know music and sound design. This movie is a little light on music and sound. is Well, on music, sound design is fantastic in this film. But one of the things I really love about this film are licensed tracks. We get the riot by violence.
00:27:21
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We get freaks by Timmy Trumpet. They're used brilliantly to naturalize the world and they provide in both of those moments, they provide lightheartedness that helps with that oppressive darkness like I was talking about.
00:27:37
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um But the Phillip Ball brothers are known for their sonic storytelling, so they use aggressive sounds. They used it in Talk to Me. This one feels a little bit more tame than Talk to Me did.
00:27:53
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but there's just small little sounds eating the knife. That sounds horrendous. ah It sounds like chewing the table, the sound of that. Yeah, it's the countertop. Chewing his own hand. Uh-huh. Chewing his own.
00:28:08
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Like the ultimate hangnail. Yeah, exactly. There's even that little that little bit of um when he smashes the fly, then eats it, and you just hear crunching in his mouth, and it's just disgusting. Ali was sitting there thinking Hakuna Matata.
00:28:29
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Oh, man. um I agree with the sound design part. The score, it's it's it's just doing what it needs to do to service the movie. It's not rising. ah any like In my mind, the way I ah picture, like to me, a memorable score is I can hum it afterwards or something.
00:28:48
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or or it's in my head, you know, playing. Nothing from this movie is playing in my head. I don't remember a single bit of music, even the licensed songs. And I will say this too, there's ah there's one or two songs they used because there was more than just the two you said. There was like four four of them. There were about four of them.
00:29:05
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two of them they use completely. i just take me out the scene. I'm like, this music just does not fit even with even what's going on. The party music when they were having fun did but there were some other ones that I was just like, I wish the music was a little bit that's nitpicking. it It really doesn't affect my score. I'm gonna go I'm gonna Oh, well, I'll wait until we get to that part.
00:29:23
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The license track, ah the one that stands out to me is it's comedic. The way they use it is when she's frantically cleaning the house right before Wendy appears.
00:29:35
Speaker
That's one of the ones that stands out to me. And I don't know if that's what you were talking about. is No. Take two out of it. i don't know not that one i don't remember actually which scene it really because it's not the party scene and it's not that scene there's like one or two other scenes where there's music again i'm not really trying to make it that big of a deal because it's not going to affect my score okay but but but but one of those scenes at least i was like the music's wrong i been mad of i think i still would have had it got a big kick if it had been like some benny hill music while she's cleaning up you know
00:30:06
Speaker
Benny Hill. our prior to dinner dinner do dinner yeah i I think that's pointing that's kind of what they played that scene up for. It's kind of a comedic moment right before shit really hit the fan.
00:30:19
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Yeah, but I would say, yeah like even though there's not as much fill for like license tracks as you hear in lot of other films, I think that even with what music we did get as far as the score, it had the right kind of accents in the darker moments, the tension, you know when everything's just really tight in there with feelings when all three of them are together. When Andy, Laura and Piper are together, i think it was enough that it just, it it Just set a tone that you don't notice. It's just there and you feel it.
00:30:50
Speaker
Yeah. I think that works well. I would agree. So we don't have to keep talking about this category for too long. I gave it a four. And that is I completely agree with you guys about the actual music itself. It's serviceable. It does the job of setting the atmosphere really well.
00:31:07
Speaker
I gave it a four for the sound design. The sound design. i loved the it's one of the things that gets under my skin on this movie. Okay, I was a three.
00:31:19
Speaker
mindy I'm going to split the difference because I was a three as well, but I'm going to come up based on the he really sold. I mean, the movie sells you on it too, but he resold me on those scenes with the with oh God and and it's kind of another category coming up has a lot to do with the sound design. And yeah, so three and a half for me, I'll give it. Okay, I'll get you three and a half added.
00:31:42
Speaker
And I think Evan said he was a two. Yep. Evan is a two on the sound design. Toodly doodly. Fuck that sound design. by you All right. So the other category coming up, I think it was the editing and special effects. Is that what you were hinting at for this one? Who wants to dive in on this one?
Technical Aspects of the Film
00:32:03
Speaker
I'll go for it. Whatever. Um, I don't have much to say about the editing. um The movie had good flow to it. I like the way the scenes were cut together. All... Let's see. Special effects. that we didn't really get a lot of special effects. and There's just more so the eyes that you see on Ollie slash Connor.
00:32:24
Speaker
Whenever the entity is kind of popping and doing its thing. ah And then just the blood. Blood, blood, blood, blood. The gashes. All of the body... wounds and everything were just fantastic.
00:32:39
Speaker
That is that is for sure. ah The that arm scene. Travis hinted at that hang now and pulling that off.
00:32:51
Speaker
That is so brutal. He starts eating himself. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh, he goes in for a second bite on his hand. Yeah. It is so good.
00:33:01
Speaker
The effect on that is It's it honestly, it's impeccable. I can't tell where the latex is. I don't see the prosthetic. It looks so real. It is awful. Even watching it on my rewatch, even after he bites the knife and like cuts up his mouth.
00:33:22
Speaker
It looks so good. And it doesn't look like CGI. It looks like they practical that somehow. I'm sure I can watch a documentary on it, but I'm not spending that amount of time on it. But it looks so good. The chomping on the knife is just visceral and disgusting.
00:33:39
Speaker
But like you said, the editing on this is tight. We start. with some found footage type VHS films of this ritual that is disturbing enough with like fetal remains laying on the ground.
00:33:56
Speaker
I think that was the demon. um it It's disgusting, but then we get into the movie. One thing I really like about this movie and I'm putting it in the editing is the natural light in scenes it doesn't feel overly bright but it also does not feel like they never turn on a light switch it doesn't feel oppressively dark it feels like hey it's daytime and the sun's out this is appropriately lit and that is something i really appreciate because i hate when horror movies are just dim and dull and gray And this movie avoids that it has all those scenes, but it balances them out with well lit, bright, sunny scenes. And I love that about this film.
00:34:45
Speaker
It looks cinematic. Yeah, like, oh, this cinematography is stunning.
00:34:53
Speaker
The ah I put that in my notes, but the other thing. It's so brightly lit. well it's not so brightly lit in scenes but it balances everything out super well when those dark scenes come they feel worse because of the light moments and that's that's what i that's what i like about this movie is the balance of the two that's what i like about it i'm trying to look for exactly what but that cinematic vibe though that it gives off and the way you describe the natural what what to me also looks like natural lighting for a lot of scenes
00:35:27
Speaker
the this movie has a thing where yes, it could look lit, but in certain scenes, the blacks are very black, even when there's other color. And i I like that. i it's yeah It's a thing. It's a choice that, ah or an aesthetic choice that some filmmakers make. And I ah like it.
00:35:45
Speaker
Um, The effects, man. Oh, yeah. Yes, Evan Skinner, Inc. Love that. love i love I love that movie for the different reason where it looks like all the VHS tapes yeah that they that she has of all the fucked up shit. And that's why I kind of looked at Jonathan kind of crazy when he said there's not a lot of special effects.
00:36:04
Speaker
I don't know, man. there's a There's maybe not like, of course, not like the thing or something. But for what I assume is probably, and I don't know if you've looked up any of this stuff, Tim. I didn't.
00:36:15
Speaker
um I don't know what the budget for this was. I can't imagine it was more than $10 or $12 million. dollars I'm just guessing. I can look it up while you talk. I got it wiki up right now. Budget was $15.
00:36:27
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So a little higher than what I was at, but not super crazy. I thought they had a decent amount of special effects. And Tim, like you were saying, i told i told Ashley last night while we were watching and I said, you know, ai has gotten to the point where it it looks really fucking good.
00:36:43
Speaker
yeah And you could pull off whatever you want and make it look crazy. I was like, ah you could tell this is practical effects, man. You could tell this is real shit in front of your fucking eyes. Like they filmed that dude, that the, the, the, the whole arm chewing off and all, Oh God. Oh God.
00:37:01
Speaker
Also to talk about a little bit of editing, the way they chose to shoot whenever, I just love this. And again, this is the ritual shit and all that. When Sally Fields goes up to that God, goes up to that goddamn window. And as she fucking puts the blood hand on the window and then the camera follows it around and follows it around. It's such a, it's, it's like a child would have thought to do that, but that's why it's amazing too. It's just so simple. It's so good. Yeah. I remember that. And then when he, when Ollie walks up to the outside window,
00:37:37
Speaker
I'm getting attacked by bugs, Louisiana folks. um And they both come down together, but between the glass, um yeah or the glass between them and the camera follows just the way it's shot.
Directors' Style and Future Projects
00:37:49
Speaker
And I could talk about a bunch of scenes in that kind of like passionate description of how good they do it.
00:37:56
Speaker
This compared to talk to me. And I don't know if this was going to be a conversation. You can bring it up. I didn't like this. i I didn't like it the first time I watched it. Then when I watched it again, i was like, oh, okay. that This is to me pretty good. to to this is fair this This is better.
00:38:14
Speaker
To be fair, I liked the first two thirds. I did not like the final act of Talk To Me. I didn't like the final act, but I agree. I think this is a better movie by far. haven't seen that one. I'm not going to say nothing about it, but i would I would say check it out, especially because look, these, these, these, these Pala Poo brothers, all right, they they are doing the damn thing. They got, they got, they don't think about it. The first movie that they ever came out with blew them way the hell up. Everyone was talking about it.
00:38:41
Speaker
And now this year yet again, and it was only two years later, man, these guys are going to be these, oh man, they're going to be crazy. I hope their next movie is even better than this. And good job, Pala poos.
00:38:53
Speaker
They're only 32 years old. and Young man, you can make a movie. I said young man. The ah and the whole thing that they had, they developed this movie and talked to me.
00:39:11
Speaker
Travis, you guys in street racing. oop a month like It's just for the people listening so that they know what's going on. ah but You're okay. He's stuck with it. He's so pissed. I don't know why. So this program you're using is for making my mic pick up everything for some reason. i don't mom might My mic never picks this shit up on the nightclub or any other show I do. um Fuck. Oh, yeah. That derailed my entire train of thought, though. I had something.
00:39:43
Speaker
What were we just talking about? I was talking about how they developed these two movies oh and this at the same time. And I wanted to jump in and say they share the same universe confirmed by the Palapu brothers.
00:39:53
Speaker
Okay. Interesting. Same universe. So whatever lore is happening and talk to me is related to this. And I posted, um listeners, there's a Discord server, Nightclub Discord server. The Average has a channel in there. Yeah, we do. I posted the angelfiletapes.com or.net website.
00:40:14
Speaker
This is some like internet nerd shit that's combining lore from these movies, but it's made by the, it's put out by the Philippos. So it like, they are doing something right now. You're watching a world get built and no one knows it yet, but eventually one of these movies is going to have, Oh, and this movie did have a cameo from the lead and talk to me in it. She was in this film in the background as a mom. Oh, was she? Oh yeah. Okay.
00:40:45
Speaker
Okay, I didn't know to watch for that. Now. Now i I don't want to
Script and Thematic Depth
00:40:50
Speaker
watch this movie again. But I yeah i don't want to rewatch to just see that scene.
00:40:56
Speaker
But editing special effects. For me, I was a five. It's it's so good in this movie. Five degree 100% three.
00:41:09
Speaker
Jonathan's at three. Evan, I had you at a five. What was my original score was my original score on that one, Tim? You were actually originally a five. this is oh you This is the second one you haven't changed. Actually, no, this is the first one you haven't changed.
00:41:25
Speaker
I changed them all. have chabo Dude, I'm just like, I need some new socks. Good thing good thing I've got my ah my screen going up next. So the script. There was a couple things I want to talk about on the script.
00:41:39
Speaker
One, I already mentioned her super quick blink and miss it line about when I killed him. I don't know if that confirms that she killed their dad. I don't. But that is just a little line.
00:41:52
Speaker
If she didn't kill their dad, that line further goes to show how she is manipulating Andy into thinking he's kind of losing his mind. So either way, that line is devious.
00:42:05
Speaker
It is great. And then- It's a great pull. I wouldn't have never caught that or pulled out of that what you pulled out. That is a lot of cool that you pulled out of like a throwaway line basically, but not throwaway. It's more important than it seems to it, to, to, you know, apparently.
00:42:23
Speaker
Yeah. And then there's, you mentioned when they're under the bed, which I thought is just a beautiful moment of the two of them under the bed after losing their dad. Beautiful moment. And he says something about, he took a plane to heaven. And then they step out of the funeral later and she looks up.
00:42:41
Speaker
Well, she doesn't see it, but she hears it. And there's a plane and it symbolizes yes that. And then what happens at the end of the movie? Yeah. She breaks free.
00:42:53
Speaker
Those people find her on the street and there is a plane in the sky when she's sitting at that stoplight and she looks out her window and she hears the plane at the end symbolizing Andy caught his plane to heaven. And those are- I didn't even think about that. That was the one note. That's the one note I wrote down for the whole movie.
00:43:14
Speaker
It's so good, man. I caught it on the second watch because she looked she looks up out the car window and and yeah, the plane's going by. And I was like, oh, under the bed. Damn. Uh huh.
00:43:26
Speaker
It's Andy. coach so It's Andy. It's those brilliant writing in this brilliant writing. And then the that those two things really stand out to me. then this the script is so.
00:43:42
Speaker
It's filled with intimacy. and grief in heartbreaking and beautiful ways throughout andy's phone call to piper is a tearjerker tearjerker i'm gonna cry talking about it right now uh just the way he wanted to protect her from an ugly world is so beautiful but then ah when she is when they're back to back And she's getting Andy to open up. And she says something that is heartbreaking as well.
00:44:18
Speaker
When she says, I would give anything to hear her call me mom one more time.
00:44:25
Speaker
Like this movie is heavy. Dude, just to her talking about her daughter, Kathy, and how she lost her at that. It's up with Deep. Although I hate that it humanizes her so much, even though she's such a piece of shit.
00:44:38
Speaker
That's why she's bad her. That's why she's a great character. Son of a bitch. Yes. They broke that so fucking hard. Fuck feelings. Yes, because that is why she's so good. That is why it's so good.
00:44:51
Speaker
um Anyways, no, you're totally right. And the just her manipulation the entire time, the way she is disguising her manipulation as concern is...
00:45:06
Speaker
such an excellent display of gaslighting and psychological abuse on andy it's it's horrifying it is hard to watch because your heart is breaking for andy the whole time and your heart breaks for andy through most of this because piper is the object of her affection and then when you understand what piper's purpose is at the end you're horrified at where this is going so the the script on this is one of the best horror movies that i've seen in a long time with the way it communicates the grief the way it communicates the trauma the abuse and the way it tells us just what we need to know about what is going on
00:45:55
Speaker
There's not a whole lot of depth on ah the ritual itself that we can poke holes into it and be like, well, how does this work? Because we don't need to know how it works.
00:46:06
Speaker
We're told consume the body. What is it? You get a vessel. You let the vessel eat the body that died ye already, the the soul you want back that you miss. Then you get a second vessel and you kill that vessel the way the the body you want back, the soul you want back died. And then the first vessel eats, regurgitates...
00:46:30
Speaker
it's It's a little convoluted, but it worked and it makes sense. yeah it's it's and it's This is part of the script because we're talking about you know all the grief and and trauma.
00:46:41
Speaker
I'm getting a little – I'm not there yet. Not quite. But I'm getting a little tired of the trauma horror. Like like we've had it for years now. And I'm just ready for something else. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know. but Because this is still great.
00:46:55
Speaker
so But that aspect of the script. And it works for the it has to work for the characters. Otherwise you're not going to care. I wouldn't have gave a fuck. so much about Andy if this if they wouldn't have made me wrote good characters and the trauma is all part of it it's all part of it from the pissed she's pissing on him and and making him all fucked up in his head about his dad yeah fuck all that but the ritual being written into this and the way they do it just barely barely giving you little nuggets throughout the movie here and there of what this thing is how it works
00:47:30
Speaker
And like you said, just stay because the only the only thing I had for this part, I i wanted I was going to say the whole plane thing, too, because i I had that revelation last night and i was like, oh, my God, it's so good. But but the script is great in so many other ways.
00:47:43
Speaker
There's actually a little small scene. I can't remember where something happened and I turned to Ash. I said, well, this is fucking, this is dumb. But then something happened a few minutes later that made the stupid thing make sense.
00:47:56
Speaker
Don't remember what it was. I wish I could. and I've been trying to think about it for like the last 20 minutes. If it comes to me, I'll jump in at some point, but, um, yeah, I want to know what it was. I know. i um'm i'm sorry.
00:48:06
Speaker
I should have actually taken like a lot of notes, but this, the script is really well done. I agree. Like, ah twenty twenty five was ah and I need to go back and listen to that Dread broadcast episode um where y'all did y'all's list.
00:48:22
Speaker
2025, and I only have a few movies that I'm going to watch before I do my my list. it's not the best year for horror in my opinion uh it's the worst in a long time actually but it had some bangers this is this is definitely one of them and as far as original stories go you're lucky if you get one a year this year i think we got a handful even though some of them weren't the best movies which is kind of up agreed agreed go go ahead john so this script man
00:48:56
Speaker
Everything all you guys said awesome, super awesome. But i find like certain parts of the story reminiscent of another film that we talked about last year as part of our full core. And this being kind of like a full core categorizes like a form of full core itself.
00:49:11
Speaker
Maybe think of Dark Song. Okay. You've got a house that's got out in the woods. It's got the ring around it. So nothing can get out that's supposed to be contained in it as part of the ritual.
00:49:23
Speaker
You know, Tim, weren't we just talking about that? Well, I think so. Yeah, I remember that movie You got woman who's grieving, who wants child back, or supposedly wants a child back, dealing with another entity that is trying to be summoned or has been summoned.
00:49:38
Speaker
It's one of my favorite. The voices, the whispered manipulation. so relative to each other in those aspects. I totally um forgot about that movie. Dude, a dark song is one that I've been wanting to fucking do for a long time. Awesome film.
00:49:54
Speaker
We did that with David from Journey with a Cinephile. Dude, that whole. Yes, everyone go check that episode out. And one day the nightclub will do it too, because it's so good. It's and go watch it if you ain't seen the shit. Sorry, John. Definitely watch. No, that's not definitely watch for sure.
00:50:10
Speaker
But I appreciate that there's some of those similarities, you know, with those with those stories. i thought it was pretty cool that they included that as part of the script.
00:50:20
Speaker
I love that you noticed that. And that that's something that's yeah awesome. Like the the whole big, because that's what this looks like. Like, and some of the imagery from this is great. Like, um as far as like, because a lot of horror movies, and maybe this is just me.
00:50:35
Speaker
I like to think of like, what little symbols and imagery could you use from the movie? to like like people use it in artwork and people do stuff like that like i've tried to do it on on my show where i make the image yeah kind of original to the movie or something like what symbol oh shit this big salt circle around this house or you could use excuse me or you could use like you know the window blood yeah symbol shit The thing that I always think of and it' it'd be hard to draw for like what you're describing for your images, which if you're not aware what we're talking about, Travis draws like is it the episode title card for each of them? I i stopped doing it for. um
00:51:21
Speaker
our last Halloween Havoc. Now I'm using what I do is, and so I'm cheating. Okay. I'm admitting it, but, i but, i but I've told the world I'm telling the world here too. I draw an image like I used to for the episode. Then I take a photo of it and I put it in AI and I say, make this better and do it like how I'm saying it. And it does. And I'm using that from now on because I'm tired of, uh,
00:51:43
Speaker
I'm just tired of drawing the images every time like that. It's a lot of it's a lot of work, but it was impressive work. You should check it out. But and no but but but every image still comes from my hand. At least the start of it does.
00:51:55
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Kind of work just finished up. and hunt you Okay, so let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and and score the scripts on this one.
00:52:06
Speaker
Five.
00:52:09
Speaker
Okay, changing it again, but that's all right. I got you. I'm a five as well. Evan, I'm walking. I'm also going to change. Oh, Evan, I'm walking to a four. Because I was a three, yeah so I feel a four is worthy. in All right. Jonathan moved up to a four. Oh, Evan changed.
00:52:26
Speaker
Evan, you changed to a five on the script? Son of a bitch. We did it. We broke Evan. There we go, son. Evan in the Five, five, five, five.
00:52:37
Speaker
And for those of you listening, Evan is our good friend from the Kilt and the Redneck podcast. If you haven't been checking that one out, you need to do that. They cover a lot of cool stuff and they got a lot of cool different topics and are ah genres that they cover. Yeah, they certainly do. And Evan is
Performance Highlights
00:53:00
Speaker
hilarious. So, okay, let's go on to the acting.
00:53:05
Speaker
acting
00:53:08
Speaker
Acting is a is a five. i I mean, I don't even really want to like, so i' I'm not going to bury the lead. It's a five. Yeah, she's, she's delivered. There's a Hawk in those fields.
00:53:19
Speaker
that ah Yes. Yes, Jonathan. Everyone. someones yeah like'm Hawking it up in the fields, bro. All the viscera, all the fucking other dead little children coming out of that demon child's mouth. Yes. The acting's incredible. Jesus Christ. the Yeah.
00:53:36
Speaker
I mean, there's not a whole lot more to say about this other than to acknowledge certain moments of their performances. Like you were mentioning...
00:53:48
Speaker
how Sally manages to portray an almost reluctance to do this ritual at some points in the film. And it's it's in her performance, it's in her body language that she knows this is the next step and she doesn't really want to do it. Or there's that moment that is, we already talked about it, when she kills Andy is hard to watch, but she stops before she does it. She slows down like, I need to do this.
00:54:17
Speaker
I, and like I said, I didn't watch it the second time. Um, I remembered it from the theater and when it, I was standing by the door, smoking a cigarette out the door while the movie was playing at that point, when she walked up to him and started to turn his face, I just, I just stepped outside. I was like, I'm gonna wait 10 seconds and I'm, I'm good. I didn't need to see it again.
00:54:39
Speaker
um And and ah you you had just mentioned the her hesitancy. The ending where she finally... under so it all hits her like a ton of bricks because...
00:54:53
Speaker
um Piper can come out of the water. she keeps So listeners, at the end of this movie, basically, Sally Hawkins is going to drown Piper in the pool outside because that's how her daughter drowns. So Ollie's going to regurgitate all the dead, frozen Kathy meat from the freezer that Sally Hawkins has been hiding the body in in a shed somewhere.
00:55:16
Speaker
into her into her and she's gonna have the the kathy soul so she's gonna drown piper she's drowning her she is drowning her actually and piper manages to break free at one at a few points but the final point she's like she screams viscerally mom for her mother her for her dead mother i'm assuming or it could be kathy's soul screaming for her i don't even know i think it's piper i think it's piper trying to shake laura from her
00:55:49
Speaker
A little reverse manipulation. Yes. Call her mom. Could be. Jar her emotions. but then but then the entire emotional like what's the expression wall of bricks i don't even know what the hell i'm saying it falls on her and she she realizes in that moment oh my god i am in fact i'm the like jonathan was saying the monster the villain the demon she's the real fucking problem here man and she lets that girl go and i love this isn't really the acting, I guess it's more the writing, but just to say it, I love it that, um, earlier in the film, Laura had gifted Piper Kathy's old sweater. And in this moment when she's breaking free out of the purity of the, of the water, she breaks free from the sweater that cat, that Laura is still holding onto like her daughter that she's still holding onto. And just all of that. And I know it's the writing, but I'm i'm just going to blow it, man. It's good. It's just good shit.
00:56:48
Speaker
yeah And it's, it's yeah. Uh, I, I, I, maybe there's a few more moments. Andy has so many great moments and Piper does too, but I don't wanna, I don't wanna just keep going. I'm rambling, man.
00:57:00
Speaker
One of the scenes that has zero people on camera and it is just a voice performance that is terrifying is when Laura walks in to see Ollie eating Kathy out of the freezer.
00:57:17
Speaker
and the camera one of the moments i i'll also put this in direction because it is an excellent moment in this already heavy and visceral film the philippo brothers are like you know what we don't need to watch him devouring her daughter in front of her we don't need to see that and i'm like thank you who thank you for this restraint but they also pull back we do see a little bit later yeah yeah we do see a little bit later ah when wendy walks in but then uh They pull back and we just get an exterior shot and we hear Sally Hawkins just screaming, crying together. And it you feel that, you feel that. so But like you said, Andy has great moments. It's the chemistry between Andy and Piper. This is Piper's first role.
00:58:10
Speaker
This was her first performance ever from what I saw. is that Is that actress, is she is that is she actually blonde? I was curious about Okay. Well then yeah it yeah that's that's even more – impressive. I don't think it's the right word i'm i'm searching for. But like of to the Polipu brothers, like the fact that they would choose to cast a blind person in this role to give it the representation, you know? um And the fact that she's actually that damn good –
00:58:47
Speaker
not saying blind people can't act. That's what that's the point I'm trying to make is like, don't I don't don't not cast them just because they blind. Let them fucking let them cook man. See what they could do you know. yeah Um, and i'm i'm i I'm being a funny boy when I'm calling them the Palapu brothers. It's the Philip the Philipo or I have heard some people say Philip who but I think it's Philipo brothers.
00:59:08
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I assume. But but they my palapu friends. but Yeah. Sorry, I was zoning out reading the comments. ah Yeah, the acting is fantastic.
00:59:21
Speaker
So, Jonathan, did you have comments on the acting or did you already say? him I don't really have anything to say. Everybody's already covered it. And like we said, straight out the gate, fucking fives, dude, because everyone delivered, everyone was in it.
00:59:34
Speaker
You didn't get any moments where it felt hokey or stupid or overplayed or underplayed. Everyone was hitting the mark in every scene and just they fucking nailed it, dude. Yeah. how can you saying that We are fives across the board for that one. Okay. The direction. This is one uh,
00:59:54
Speaker
ah I don't know if they have a particular style yet. We got to see, I got to see a couple more films before I lock in, but I know Travis mentioned the choice of showing that circular window thing, the way they shot that whole scene was excellent. ah There's incredible cinematography throughout this film that is used to communicate story elements beautifully.
Visual and Stylistic Analysis
01:00:26
Speaker
So we have Andy is sitting across from the laundry and it just communicates his kind of isolation in that moment. It's just him right there going through this. Piper doesn't know about it.
01:00:39
Speaker
Laura knows about it, but he doesn't know that. And he lost his dad. He's sitting there alone. It just feels isolated. And then we get... a shot of Laura sitting in that corner, looking down into the puddle forming at the bottom of the pool.
01:00:56
Speaker
And that shot communicates so much just through that little, the way the camera's set up, the lighting, everything communicates so much about, we're about to find out the horrible events that happened in this pool, the horrible events that are about to happen in this pool and how she's sitting on the corner of the place where her daughter died and just staring and getting lost in those memories it's that that's communicated in just a shot like it is so good but then we also have uh there's the long take towards the end i love long takes but we have the uncut shot of Laura dragging Piper's body to the pool while Ollie walks to the edge
01:01:45
Speaker
And then and the whole, the whole time she's screaming because earlier Ollie had bit her arm that, that right there shows like, cause every time she pulls, she's like, ah, that again shows like the writing and or direction, what, whichever one, this is going to blend in between for this one.
01:02:04
Speaker
But, but also to say, cause you mentioned it, uh, Oh fuck. No. Yeah. the The hand circle scene. I don't know why I love that so much, man, but I really do. I think it's one, I just think it's so well shot how it's so, cause it's so simple, but it's, it's, it's incredible. And as far as that's what you had mentioned, that's what I was trying to get to. yeah Do they have a style yet?
01:02:27
Speaker
I don't think they have a style necessarily, but both talk to me and this movie to me, they do and it's not because i know that it's supposed to be the same universe they feel kindred like kindred spirits to me so i don't know if they have a style but they at least have a vibe but you know what i mean yeah i see that the other thing i had written is that they have a homogeneous vision for this film where that circular thing they draw on the window, that circle is seen throughout the movie. She draws circles on his forehead.
01:03:07
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after he steps outside the salt circle, the bottom of the pool is a circle. Like there are circles repeated throughout this film in multiple oh scenes.
01:03:19
Speaker
In that shot where like that shot you were talking about that long panning up shot or ah right or whatever rising up shot, that imagery of her ah floating there in the water. She's dead. I think at that point in the film, she stuck her finger and nicked her own artery and said, here we go. Yep. ah Which that, that just gives me the ick.
01:03:42
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But, um, that image of her floating in the pool with her dead, half eaten, half frozen daughter body. I know this is going to sound weird, but I don't give a fuck. It's kind of beautiful. No, it is. that's That is the perfect, what I was saying about this being gothic horror, that image encapsulates that feeling to me because it is both tragic and romantic at that same time. not Not romance between lovers, but this is a mother and a daughter and you can feel that in that scene.
01:04:15
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It's beautiful. in a grotesque way. Yeah, very much so, yeah.
01:04:25
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As far as ah anything else on directing, i mean, I think this is better made than the first movie only because they've just got more experience at this point. Talk To Me is still a really well well-made film.
01:04:37
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And they did some cool camera shit in that movie too. Like whenever, whenever, remember and talk to me whenever they'd grab the hand, yeah, they they'd go up or, or when they fall to the side and the camera would go with them too. Like it was cool it's simple.
01:04:49
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Again, it's simple things, but you remember them. So, Hey, simplicity sometimes is great. Jonathan, uh, I don't, I don't have nothing else about directing. And we, Sam said a lot. I said a lot. out ah What you got, bud?
01:05:04
Speaker
I think you guys pretty much covered it on that one. I don't really have much I can say about it. All right. honest Honestly, I didn't give myself enough time in advance to to formulate real thoughts on directions. so I kind of failed on this part, but hey, whatever.
01:05:19
Speaker
All right. That's okay. i still I still love you, though. Yay! Yay! hu So this one, this one was another five for me. To be honest, talk to me, didn't cement me on the Phillipell brothers. I wasn't going to be tuning in for every film they made.
01:05:38
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This movie has put them on. This movie has put them on the map and I will be tuning in for the next thing they do because I want to see what they're doing.
01:05:51
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It this movie did that for me. So this this took it to a five. well, need to go watch their first film so I can get more perspective on their style. So I've heard someone describe their first film to me and I thought it was an apt description. i heard someone call it horror for the TikTok generation was the first film.
01:06:11
Speaker
And i I kind of like, you know what? That clicked for me. I need to rewatch it. I'm not a TikTok person. I need to rewatch it. But this movie felt...
01:06:24
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in a class of its own. This movie was just high class. i think I think it, and it's... and it's Again, and it's not to argue. It's just what I'm feeling. I feel like it's very akin to the first movie more so. I feel like it's the first movie.
01:06:40
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not It's not the exact same thing or nothing like that, but I feel like as a directing duo and and how they're making their movies, I feel like this is just talk to me, done better.
01:06:51
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but not But it's not the plot. I don't want Jonathan to think that or any listener to think that it's not the same story. but It does deal with the occult though. So that is a theme that they like to do. And grief. um and grief and trauma. Yeah, yeah. So they're so if their third movie is a trauma movie dealing with the occult on kind of might be it depending on how good it is. But I might also be like, what do what else you guys got for me, though? Come on, guys. Let's mix it up. um But but they're they're they're knocking out the park. But I would say for directing, i I'll give them a four.
01:07:20
Speaker
um I don't this is not you know I think they could do better but for the film it's good but what what what was my score there Tim you were previously a four so you're staying yeah so I'm ah I'm a state I'm a state air because I think they can do better not that this movie is not that this movie could be better than it is I think that they can do better than this movie you know I don't know what that means sounds like but you know what I'm saying man yeah yeah I do I do right, Evan is, oh, there he is. Evan got us his score. He's a four and a half there. And I'm a three.
01:07:58
Speaker
Awesome. Tree Fitty. Tree Fitty. Did that just for Ricky. Nice. It's your foghorn leghorn voice. No, that's, no, that's, that's Chef's dad. ah as it is your foghorn leghorn voice oh that's no that's that's chef's dead
01:08:19
Speaker
Chef's dad from South Park. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's the best. okay well right i do yeah i will not miss mygie trick me again yeah i told you what don't give no god tree fair yeah it's the best I am not super familiar with South Park. I must admit. Motherfucker. Unfortunately, I know. i know. Go back and watch it.
01:08:44
Speaker
It factor cultural
Cultural Impact Discussion
01:08:46
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significance. I saw the Olympic episode. The Olympic episode was pretty hilarious. I saw the Disney Star Wars episode. That was pretty hilarious, too.
01:08:55
Speaker
a lot of their like the past couple seasons, man. Wow. It just keeps going and going. I'm like, yeah, they're just nailing it on everybody. south park has has south park since it started brief side tangent has always nailed it has always been relevant has always fucking just obliterated all sides every side i love south park man they just they don't give a matt and trey don't give a fuck they really don't yeah didn't they write they wrote a musical about mormons
01:09:29
Speaker
ye I still want to go see it. Yeah, Book of Mormon. I know a lot of people have seen it and they say it's fucking hilarious. They love it. It's really good show. yeah um I'm going to get to it one day. There's interset. I know there's a song on it called ah The Internet is for Porn.
01:09:45
Speaker
It's pretty great. Oh, i have friends who sing that at a karaoke. but It's hilarious. They sing that shit and they do the voices and everything. and have a hell of a time. but it's It's very entertaining.
01:09:56
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. But back to the if factor while we tangent onto South Park, which is totally fine. ah The cultural significance of this movie is it's it factor. Do we see it on Instagram? Do we see people talking about it in public?
01:10:13
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Did it leave a footprint this year? ah I say yes. Now, I don't think this movie spawning sequels. It doesn't need them.
01:10:24
Speaker
I don't want a sequel to this movie. Don't need it. You're going to get you're going to get an in world lore other movie related to it coming from the Phillipa poos. Yes. And that has me fascinated.
01:10:36
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um It generated massive traffic because of the success of talk to me. People love talk to me. So there were a lot of people who came to this movie because of the previous one.
01:10:49
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ah It's called elevated horror. This is one of those elevated horrors that really explores human emotions pretty well.
01:11:00
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But this was all over Instagram when it came out. I couldn't, everybody was talking about this movie from scariest movie of the year. So on two, you got those people out there who like, talk to me was better.
01:11:13
Speaker
there You know, it, everybody was talking about it though. I saw it everywhere. There was a lot of people talking about it at work when it came out and people who recommended to me. But me being the bum I am and as busy as we were with last season's schedule, yeah never got around to it. and now I'm glad I have watched it. Now I can go talk to them at work about it.
01:11:31
Speaker
They've definitely had a big splash in media. They've got some pretty good presence with this film. So and then then the fact that, you know, like Travis was saying earlier, when we're talking about her Piper being an actual blind actress,
01:11:44
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you know and then getting that exposure and you're bringing that out and showing opportunities that even people with disabilities are still people acting that kind of adds to that factor as well
01:11:57
Speaker
Travis you look like you had something to say oh um yeah I take this I took this category the way I had been doing it where like it's movies are kind of old. when i think I don't think I've covered a very new movie with you guys.
01:12:12
Speaker
So, I would say every horror movie that came out this year that was big at this level was talked about all year, so they'd all have massive cultural impacts at that point, but... How big of an impact on culture did it have not much?
01:12:27
Speaker
It's just a new movie that came out it you can't you can't you can't know until like 10 15 20 years from now really how big of a cultural impact this movie is going to have based on the way we've done this before if we're changing it then sure it had it's a five it's a five everyone was talking about it but everyone talked about goddamn the remake of uh I know what you did last summer. Who cares?
01:12:50
Speaker
No, yeah not care I'm not, so i' I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. I don't care about that. shit I didn't even watch it. I'm not gonna. So, uh, I know what you're saying. You can enter. Do you know what I, yeah oh do you know yeah oh Jonathan? Jonathan?
01:13:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? do I know what I'm saying? South Park, Tim, watch it. Okay. You can interpret it factor however you want, Travis.
01:13:17
Speaker
But just to what I was saying, everybody was talking about it, but I agree. We won't fully know, and that's why sit my it factor at a three. Oh, see, i thought you were I thought you were going that direction.
01:13:31
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My 8-factor sits at a 3 because it did generate a lot of buzz, but and it did. I have seen it on people's best of the year list. But time will tell if this movie is a legend.
01:13:44
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I'm also a 3. I'm right there with you. I think I'm a 2. I think. You were. Yeah. I'll come up to a 3 and meet y'all. I'll meet y youall there.
01:13:55
Speaker
Okay. I'll come on up there. Bring it. bring that average up because this movie deserves it son oh yeah oh yeah the average podcast all right did you see that movie brother yeah
01:14:16
Speaker
nope uh evans got he's changing it and nope he he asked He actually submitted it. He used the link in the chat and submitted it. Thank you, Evan. So now I've got it. all right That takes us to our final. How entertained were you out of 10? This is your gut reaction score.
01:14:35
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Oh, yeah. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. Straight up.
Emotional Reactions and Ending
01:14:41
Speaker
Thoroughly entertained. The theater watch was amazing.
01:14:45
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um I was horrified. i was like, I cannot believe... A movie this mainstream is this fucked up. the a Excuse me, everyone.
01:14:56
Speaker
Sorry about that. Beer burp. Second watch, same thing. I was better, actually. Better second watch. Because then i was then I was starting to see more things like like the plane scene and all that.
01:15:10
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But also just more nuance, more character dynamics, ah better better understanding of the story or at least trying to understand the story, especially when it comes to the ritual part.
01:15:21
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Thoroughly entertained. I love this movie. 10 out of 10. Normally, I give a lot of things 10s every year, and and some listeners from the nightclub know that. This year you got three of them, maybe four, maybe four.
01:15:35
Speaker
So there you go. That's it. I usually, I usually give like seven or eight of them. So this year was like, yeah this was one of the tens. Jonathan, you want to give yours?
01:15:48
Speaker
I, it was very emotionally gripping for me. I was very invested, you know, with some of the deeper, darker parts and notes of the film. Um, So I liked it quite a bit.
01:15:59
Speaker
I do want to watch it again to see what more I get of it, see if I notice a lot of those things you guys mentioned. feel like I would probably get a lot out of a second watch. But overall, all considered, I'm sitting at eight. i liked it a lot, and that's that's where I'm at.
01:16:14
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right. Evan also scored it a 10. And my score, so if you've been listening, you know the difference between a nine and a 10 for me. oh he's eating the table behind me.
01:16:24
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um The difference between a nine and a 10. Yeah, um yeah dude. He goes in for seconds on everything, dude. I'm all hungry. dude ah Get that ball some milk. The difference between nine and a 10 would I watch it again immediately? 10 means yes. I would rewind, hit play, do it again.
01:16:48
Speaker
This movie a nine because no, I don't want to do this again. i don't. This movie is an emotional toll. It takes an emotional toll on the viewer.
01:17:00
Speaker
It is hard to watch multiple times. But I also think i was telling my wife because one of her favorites is Hereditary and that's a movie I also don't enjoy rewatching.
01:17:13
Speaker
I don't enjoy rewatching it because it is hard to watch. This one feels better to me because Piper gets out, because Connor Bird is safe again. You know, there's a little bit of brightness at the end of this movie that redeems it from being a super bleak, depressing film.
01:17:35
Speaker
it's still a bleak depressing film but it gives you that little bit of hope at the end which i actually think makes this movie that much better i would watch this one before i'd watch hereditary both are excellent films they're both great films and they're both hard to watch films but i would watch this one again because this emotional journey on this film is i can't think of many other movies like it i can't there's that take you on that
01:18:07
Speaker
the dread the suspense the loss uh strangely enough i was trying to think of the last movie that like really made me think about loss as much as this one did and i think it was when a monster calls from years ago where the boy is grappling with the death of his grandfather like that that's the last one i can think of like for me it was for me it was this year which one was it um two two of them black phone two and presents I haven't seen either of those yet.
01:18:38
Speaker
so Man. I got to see Blackphone 2 because I love the first one. Oh, I mean, yeah. ah Yeah, it's I loved it too. You you said... um that this movie reminded you hereditary. And I sound like this, I guess a lot tonight, but Ashley can confirm it all independently. Last night, I last night after the movie, I said, you know, the last movie that was this dark and fucked up was hereditary. That was a mainstream movie yeah that came out where everyone saw it. And, and I'm going to say it like they're better than the ones, most of them that come out that are like, they're, they're, they're, they're trying at this man.
01:19:15
Speaker
but it's special not to Ari Aster out the gate for just being dark as fuck. But you also had something's wrong with the Johnsons before
Stranger Things Finale Discussion
01:19:24
Speaker
that. Go, go, go look that up on YouTube, everybody. That's our last short film and go enjoy that piece of blissful cinema. Um,
01:19:33
Speaker
Yeah. So you get a good idea where, where he was going to eventually go that dark fucker, but this, that this movie's got that little bit of hope, man. And I like that too. And that's why I love the ending of stranger things and everyone's shitting on it. And I'm just sitting here like y'all can all go fuck yourselves.
01:19:51
Speaker
This is a nod to the goonies. This is a nod to ET to the eighties. You catch conformity gate happening right now. Nah, I don't care about none of that no more. I'm over it. I loved, and I'm not going to say, like, I'm not going to go off on this. We're talking about a movie, but I loved season five and I love the finale. I cried for an hour straight.
01:20:12
Speaker
The second hour hour of that movie, I'll call it a movie. I cried the whole time. Almost the whole time. Seriously. So fuck all the haters. I don't care.
01:20:23
Speaker
No, I watched it at home. Like I started it. I, uh, I, I got to see it in theaters and it was a great theatrical experience. Even shared the seasons flawed, but the theatrical experience was an enjoyable ride.
01:20:40
Speaker
Tim, I'm glad I didn't go because I would have been crying in front of everyone, dude. Which i don't I don't really care, but it honestly was to the point of like certain things made me sob, dude.
01:20:52
Speaker
Sobbing, like heavy breathing. Like, like oh my God. like get you Get a grip, brother. It's a TV show. But but it meant because I watched it from day one. Yeah, it's been 10 years.
01:21:04
Speaker
I don't want to get off on all this. This ain't the time or place for this. but We can talk about it a lot. But yeah no i i feel that because i watched it from day one too so i was on that journey all right our score our scores so for those of you just tuning in we had some people in the chat participating as two so we factored their scores in to get us the average which kind of tells us what our score is out of five stars so we had travis was total
01:21:35
Speaker
I was a 46. Jonathan, do you have yours or you want me to tell you? i'm a thirty eight I'm 38. Yep, 38. And Evan was a 47. So when we averaged those together, we were a 44 or four and a half out of five stars. And I think that nails it.
01:21:51
Speaker
So i would i would have to agree with that outcome. Evan's out here trying to stir the pot. I've only seen as far as season two of Stranger Things. i just still got to catch up on the rest of all that.
01:22:04
Speaker
Why are you hurting? Why are you trying to hurt me? I was not don't to understand. trevis Well, no, he's no, I'm not going to fight. but He's saying fuck black phone to and stranger things like goddamn everything I love this year. Fuck that shit. No, I don't care. That's his opinions. um He's my brother. If he was some asshole, yeah, I'd fight him. But I love that guy. I don't care.
01:22:25
Speaker
Hey, I love that he's here hanging out in the chat. his score
Nightclub Podcast Promotion
01:22:30
Speaker
Oh, wait, do you, do wait, do do you want me to fight him? Is that, is that, was that like, do you want me to like, you know, a bit, you want me to do a bit? No. Hey, Hey, Hey, Swan fight. Yeah, dude.
01:22:42
Speaker
I love it. I love it. All right. Well, I think that wraps up our episode. So Travis, this might be one of the shortest episodes we've ever done with you. An hour and 20 minutes is clocking it in there. Nice and tight.
01:22:56
Speaker
Oh, well, I feel like we always get like two hours plus with you, but that's all right. That's all right. Was that my fault? I don't know. i I mean, it might've been a problem to be a fault. No, it's not a problem. So.
01:23:09
Speaker
Oh, okay. Well then either there we go. We like it either way. Whatever. pat Can I pin my shit? Let do a little pimpage. Pimp it up. nightclub podcast, horror theme podcast, got a discord community and it's free to join.
01:23:24
Speaker
Just want y'all to know that. So you ain't got to pay nothing. Um, you could find the show on Apple, Spotify, and all the places. Um, we're on the socials, Instagram, Facebook, the slasher app. If you're a horror fan and you're not on the slasher app, um,
01:23:41
Speaker
kind of missing out. It's like Facebook for horror, kinda or and or something for our one threads next. But on slot. Yeah, dude, get on slasher. It's it's it's a cool place. Yeah.
01:23:55
Speaker
We have a merch shop through fourth wall. Tim, I'm Tim, I'll have a link tree in the show notes. So for for us, I guess I ain't got a pimp all that crap. No, um but you I'll get your link in the YouTube description.
01:24:10
Speaker
Yeah, we got we got we got a cardigan in in in our merch shop, dude, so you could be spooky and cozy at the same time. yeah oh And this year on the show, we're going to be doing a lot of ah backlog fourth wall content. So you'll get some myths and legends, some conspiracy theories, wrestling, Dragon and Ball, all kind of all kind of topics, as well as horror movie reviews and some not horror movie reviews.
01:24:35
Speaker
And um there's also a few projects that we're going to do that are going to be creative, different from movie reviews, because we're always doing movie reviews on on the nightclub. And it's like we got something else up our sleeves. So if anyone out there hasn't checked out the show, check it out.
01:24:51
Speaker
Or just jump in the Discord. And Tim and Jonathan are in there all the time, too, so we can all just have fun and talk about anything. You ain't got to listen to any show. Just come be friends. Kiss, kiss, kiss. It's true.
01:25:04
Speaker
All right, John, ready to read us out? Yes, sir. So that's it. That is our final verdict for Bring Her Back. And I'm not going This one, it leaves a mark between that ending and the performances.
01:25:19
Speaker
I think I need a few business days to kind of recover emotionally here. Seriously, it's one of those films that stays in the room with you after the credits roll. It's been in my head since the day I saw it in theaters, and I just got my second watch in today.
01:25:33
Speaker
But before we decompress, we have to give a massive thank you to Travis again for being here. So check him out at the nightclub podcast on Instagram and anywhere else. I'll get that link tree put in there. So Travis, thank you for jumping into the deep end with us to kick off season four.
01:25:52
Speaker
Thank you very much for having me. Always a pleasure, bro. So make sure you guys can follow Travis. His show is essential listening and to everyone in the chat who submitted their scores tonight. Thank you very much.
01:26:02
Speaker
Your scores can impact the official average. Now we know bring her back was a heavy way to start the year.
Next Episode Preview: 'Death Spa'
01:26:10
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So in two weeks, we are pivoting in the wildest way possible. Get ready to trade the supernatural dread for some neon soaked eighties chaos, because we are reviewing death spa.
01:26:25
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It is exactly what it sounds like. It's glorious. It's ridiculous. And we aren't doing it alone. We've got two special guests joining us to dissect the workout equipment induced carnage. You do not want to miss this one.
01:26:37
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Grab that scorecard in a bio, watch the movie over the next two weeks and get ready to score it with us. Until then, this is the average where the real review happens with your friends.
01:26:49
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Good night.