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S4.E4: My Bloody Valentine (1981) | Love Sucks, but This Slasher Rules
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Heart-shaped boxes and gas masks: The ultimate horror summit starts NOW! ❤️⛏️ Welcome to Season 4, Episode 4 of The Average. Tonight, we are skipping the corporate romance and descending into the gritty, blue-collar mines of Valentine Bluffs to break down the 1981 cult masterpiece: MY BLOODY VALENTINE. We are incredibly humbled to be joined by a powerhouse panel of horror creators to discuss the lasting impact, the infamous censorship battles, and the legendary legacy of Harry Warden. Joining Johnathan and Tim in the booth tonight: 🎙️ Jordan from @the_movie_den_ 🎙️ Chris (@beardedfilmguy) from @beyondthebloodpod 🎙️ Rich & Jerry from the @horrorheadspodcast WE NEED YOUR SCORECARDS! 🫵 On The Average, the real review happens with your friends—and that includes YOU in the live chat. We want to hear your takes on the 9-category scorecard. Does the atmosphere of this Canadian slasher hold up in 2026? Where does Harry rank in the pantheon of horror icons? 👉 SUBMIT YOUR REVIEW: [Insert Link to Bio/Review Form] 📚 WANT MORE HORROR? Check out our books on Amazon and dive deeper into the genre: 👉 https://a.co/d/bUtniBd 🎧 LEVEL UP YOUR PODCAST WITH ZENCASTR Get 30% off your first 3 months of Zencastr Pro and record like a pro: 👉 https://zen.ai/theaveragereviews 📖 EXPAND YOUR LIBRARY WITH PANGOBOOKS Enjoy $5.00 off your first purchase when you use Tim Umpleby’s code “TIMOTHYREADS” at checkout: 👉 https://pangobooks.com/TIMOTHYREADS FOLLOW OUR GUESTS: 📸 Jordan: @the_movie_den_ 📸 Chris: @beardedfilmguy / @beyondthebloodpod 📸 Horror Heads: @horrorheadspodcast This is The Average, where the real review happens with your friends. #MyBloodyValentine #HorrorCommunity #HarryWarden #TheAveragePodcast #SlasherMovies #TheMovieDen #BeyondTheBlood #HorrorHeads #MovieScorecard #80sHorror #LiveStream
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Transcript
Valentine's vs Christmas Candy
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Speaker
One thing I like better than Christmas candy, it's Valentine's candy. Have some. Hey. Who said it?
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Speaker
From the heart comes a warning filled with bloody good cheer. Remember what happened as the 14th draws near.
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Speaker
It can't be happening again. It can't.
Introduction to 'The Average' and 'My Bloody Valentine'
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Speaker
Welcome back to The Average. Now look, we know the calendar says Valentine's Day is technically passed, but here we believe romance should be celebrated properly. And by properly, we mean with gas masks, industrial mines, and a legendary pickaxe.
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Speaker
That's right. We are celebrating Valentine's a little late and a lot more macabre. Tonight we are descending into the 1981 Canadian slasher classic My Bloody Valentine.
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This isn't just another body count movie. This is a film that Tarantino himself once called the best slasher movie of all time. It's a bold claim, but the pedigree is there.
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The film was part of that massive post-Halloween slasher boom, but it stood out because of its setting. While everyone else was in the suburbs, director George Mihalka took us to the gritty blue-collar town of Valentine Bluffs.
Censorship and Uncut Release
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And did the MPAA hate him for that? The original cut was so gory that the censors demanded nine minutes of footage be removed. It took nearly 30 years for fans to finally see the uncut version in all of its bloody gory.
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But before we get into the gore, we have to talk about how we do things here. Whether you're a diehard horror buff, a fan of classic cinema, or just a casual viewer looking for a bloody good time, this is your show.
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That's the heart of what we do at The Average. We don't just talk at you, we invite you to join the panel. Right now, you can find the link in our bio to access The Average scorecard, and we want you to use the same nine categories we use to submit your own rating.
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Your scores aren't just for show. We read audience reviews right here in the episode. And if you're following along with us in the live chat, jump in. Share your scores as we go through each category. Your live feedback will be shared with everyone here and will directly influence the final average that goes on our season four leaderboard.
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So grab that link, get your pickaxes ready, and let's see if Harry Warden can win over the community tonight. We're gonna find out if those kills and that legendary heart in a box still hold up under our nine category scorecard.
Panel Insights on 'My Bloody Valentine'
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But because this is such a massive cult favorite, we knew we couldn't tackle the minds alone. We have assembled what can only be described as a horror pantheon tonight. We are incredibly humbled to be joined by some of the best voices in the community.
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First up, a man who knows the genre inside and out, Jordan from At The Movie Den. Jordan, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you. i love that intro. Very humbled. But no, thank you for asking me to come on when you guys asked. and I saw the list. i was like, my bloody Valentine. It has to be that. I love this movie. So thank you.
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Glad you're here. We also have the man, the myth and the legend himself, Chris, known as at bearded film guy and from beyond the blood pod. it's That's the act beyond the blood pod.
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Right. Did I get that right, Chris? Yeah, you got it right. You got it right. I stumbled over my words a little. hey close What's up, guys? thank you for Thank you for having me on, man. I appreciate it This is ah a movie I'm very passionate about, and I spent almost six months of my life kind of researching and diving in news. so I'm excited to to talk about it with everyone here.
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Awesome. ah So finally joining us to complete this macabre Valentine's party, we have the duo that lives and breathes this stuff. Rich and Jerry from at Horror Heads podcast.
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What's up? Yeah, what's up? Excited to lose my the average virginity tonight. Let's get let's get romantic. up in the chario yeah Thanks for having us here. Super excited.
Setting's Impact on Story Authenticity
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Awesome. Gentlemen, welcome to Valentine's bluffs. We got the scorecard ready. The minds are open and the ballot of Harry warden is playing softly in the background. We've got a lot of ground to cover from the infamous censorship battles to the blue collar grit that makes this movie unique.
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This is the average where were the real review happens with your friends. And tonight we brought a lot of friends. So we start off with that story. We're going to talk about the story first. So not the a lot of people their first time get story and script
Hitchcockian Suspense Techniques
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mixed up. Story is the idea of what we're seeing on screen. Script is how well it's executed. So who who wants to jump in? If you are excited about the story, go first.
00:05:43
Speaker
I don't have to go first. Someone else can't. Anyone is welcome to do it But I just want to say first off, the mines are for the minecraft ass children not for me the mines dude oh no let the children have the minds put them back in there this no no mines for me bro no going on the ground not happening so take it away so i appreciate this is kind of one of the big three of the slasher original slasher halloween friday 13th and this film my bloody valentine and
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Halloween and my bloody Valentine. I love them both. Friday the 13th is my franchise. I love the franchise, but I think the first movie is the worst movie. Well, not the worst.
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Jason takes Manhattan's pretty bad. In a fun way, in a tremendously fun way. But the ah of those like kickoff movies, I like this one a heck of a lot more than Friday the 13th.
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And I don't know what it is about this movie. I appreciate, let me pull up my notes here. ah I do like the setup of this film. the I like the gritty blue collar aspect of it, working men.
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hitting the bar at night when they're done hanging out, hanging out with the girls. And they're really just looking forward to this dance that they haven't had basically their entire lives, not since they were young, they would never remember. And that's what they're looking forward to. But what I love that this movie does is basically this younger generation has no idea what they're getting into.
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And this older, the old guard, the police and the people who've been here before are the ones who know what's happening, who know that Harry warden is out there threatening to take these lives. If this dance continues. And I think it creates a really suspenseful atmosphere, which I think is often my biggest drawback with a ton of slashers is they're not super suspenseful.
Evolution of the Slasher Genre
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They're fun. This one I think has that suspense because it kind of uses that classic Hitchcock idea of we know this guy is taking people out but those teenagers don't because the police don't want to make a big deal about it you know died of a heart attack we're not going to mention that she was shoved into the dryer and so we have this suspenseful element of waiting for the bubble to burst when these kids realize that Harry Warden is out there and he is taking lives and I think that adds to add some real suspense to this story that I think makes it stand out more definitely more than Friday the 13th for me yeah but in a lot of the other standard slasher fare and this not to diss on slasher fare I love slasher films but this one is I think it's just elevates it a little bit
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Speaker
Yeah, well, I think I actually kind of agree with you because I'm kind of notorious for saying that I think Friday the 13th part two is a better movie than Friday the 13th is. I don't argue with you there. I think six is the peak, but Jason. Yeah, Jason lives is my favorite, but you're right. I think two iss better than one.
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Speaker
Well, I think what happens is it's really interesting because you have Bob Clark in 74 does Black Christmas, right? John Carpenter, heavily inspired from Bob Clark does Halloween.
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And then you get into the ripoff territory where Sean Cunningham says, OK, you know what? Let's grab this holiday. We'll grab Friday. They'll make a poster without any funding and we'll see if this works.
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So that comes out in 1980. Then 1981, you have, I think, technically the like what I would consider, like the formation of what the slasher would become. You have Friday the 13th, part two Halloween two my bloody Valentine comes like all of these big hitters land. And this is when you start kind of seeing the slasher genre being built to what it will be for the next nine years, at least dominantly.
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um And I think my buddy Valentine doesn't get enough credit for that because to me, this feels the most lived in. Valentine Bluffs feel like this feels like a real place with real
Impact of Uncut Version
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people. And you can thank the Canadian. It's like the most Canadian movie ever made.
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So, you know, you can thank that. Oh, the I just have to interject because you said that the. scene on the on the bluffs like overlooking the water i'm so i'm sorry when he's very i'm sorry it's so canadian very canadian yeah it it is and i think i think what's really interesting here too is that this while friday the 13th part two was upping the violence from friday the 13th you have halloween 2 getting progressively more violent than the first halloween none of those sequels are as violent as my bloody valentine is
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but I think this movie kind of gets like no credit for being kind of an early adopter of the extreme violence side. And of course, for 30 years, nobody saw the extreme side of it because it was so cut up. Exactly.
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But now when we go back in retrospect, we can see that. Can I could i jump in really quick? Because I did see the uncut version. So like for me, this movie felt very lacking. Like it felt not extreme enough. So I would just like, kind of like to know what did I actually miss by not seeing that nine minutes that
Differences in Cut vs Uncut Experience
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was cut? Because that's that's my big complaint of this movie is that if you watch, I think I watched it on Pluto or wherever I watched it, it's not very violent in my opinion. So you're saying that difference. So like, how can you tell me some of the scenes or some of the yeah things that I missed?
00:11:29
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i watched the amazon version from 81 that was on there so i don't know if that was the full or if that was unrated or like yeah the one scene that i can think of that immediately you would know it's to me it's the it's a powerful kill in this movie is when the bartender gets a pickaxe through his jaw and out his eye yeah it has the eyeball hanging into the pi yeah his eyeball pops out and is hanging off the side of his face yeah I did not see that. Yeah. was brutal yeah yeah Okay. it's seen it Jonathan. thomas yeah to cheer and so Even the opening kill is yeah cut out what mabel where it goes through with her heart through her back.
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Yeah. And we're pretty much like, I like, I think seven and a half minutes of the total nine minutes has been, is fully back. Um, uh there still is uh the kill i forget their names offhand but the couple that sneaks off into the the mine into the break room uh that is completely missing because during the editing process they were chopping it up so much to try to get it to pass that it actually just they lost that footage so that was the only bit they were not able to replace of the total nine minutes cut damn well i if i remember correctly and i thought and chris you could i mean i know you would know but the there's a kill and um i'm with you i forget the names but the couple and she gets the pipe the water pipe through her shower and i feel like that wasn't that originally longer there was something there was some still missing out of that
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Yeah, I think there's still well, it's mostly replaced. I mean, you're talking about like seconds in the commentary track. george Even George Mahaka, the director, he he barely has any memory of what's what was additionally originally there that hasn't been restored. The only thing he fully remembers is the couple kill scene kind of with a giant screw.
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Their bodies are just found. um that that was the only scene that he said they were they were completely unable to bring back for but for the most part it's it's pretty much like 98 you know restored is the scene in uh the scene when they're climbing up the ladder and the man falls down and is decapitated by a rope is that in the cut version i saw that and what i saw Well, okay. The head pops off and it sprays the girls as they're climbing. Yeah. I mean, it hits ground at the bottom. That's one of my favorite kills. I don't know if we're going to jump with the gun there, but I mean, just the head. I mean, his like half of his shoulder and chest go with him.
00:13:56
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yeah It's a lot more than just the head. And I always thought that was very over the top. Almost borderline funny, but ah it's one of those that I just find... i love.
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Yeah, if im if I remember, I don't think in the theatrical... ah Rich, do you see the the the actual like head and stuff on the ground or not at all? No, I didn't see that at all. So yeah, I feel definitely disadvantaged, I think, because it's like you all are raving about this movie and I i had a very different experience and opinion about it.
Intensity of 1980s Slashers
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So yeah I feel like I didn't even see the same movie as you all because I think these...
00:14:30
Speaker
things that you're mentioning would have definitely added to my enjoyment of this film and i know we'll go yeah category by category and there's definitely issues i have with a bunch of stuff but that was my main thing why this is one i'll probably won't watch again because so ah i highly recommend trying to watch the uncut version if you can i would yeah it sounds probably i would like it a lot more if there was more violence in it that's yeah well because i i i kind of agreed the first time i saw this movie i saw the theatrical release and i was like what is the big deal this was the tamest movie i have seen and then i have since got the i've got the uh shout factory
00:15:10
Speaker
steelbook that has the uncut version as well and watching that it changes the experience of the movie and it almost makes that first the friday the 13th movies look tame in comparison to some of this it's it's good so i do recommend that i also think having your perspective of the theatrical version and not the uncut enhances the conversation. So don't feel, don't feel slighted by that. So leave yet. No, I think that's... I was like, click, I'm out. I'm going on a different podcast now. I think that is a fair,
00:15:46
Speaker
I think that's a fair critique of this film is that the theatrical version is still out there and that's a lot of people's first experience with this film. And it's also, we'll get into the cultural significance later, but the theatrical version has a big impact on why this movie was kind of, I don't want to say forgotten, but kind of under the radar for so many years, why it didn't inspire 10 sequels, you know, that that's part of the conversation. So I love that. And, and I rented this movie way back in the day, probably over 20 years ago from the video store on VHS. And I remember not liking it. I've never watched it since. So that was why I was excited to get on this episode so I could rewatch it because I never wanted to see it again. And now
00:16:30
Speaker
I definitely want to see this other version. I should have told you guys to find uncut version, man. My bad. Well, what's funny, like one thing that's always interesting to me about the early kind of like slasher boom is how most people took like, okay, we're going step going to make it more violent. And instead of just getting more violent, these movies got meaner.
00:16:50
Speaker
Like Halloween two, there's nothing as mean as when he holds the nurse's head under the boiling water. You know, like that's mean. My buddy Valentine, every kill in this movie is, incredibly angry
Revenge-Driven Plot Effectiveness
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and mean. And I'm even reflecting that into, you know, Friday the 13th part two when markets whacked in the face by the machete and then you have to see his body in a wheelchair roll down stairs or flight the steps. So things really took an aggressive turn. There was no like gradual climb into it. It went from very kind of like, OK, you know, a slit throat in the woods, you know, that's violent to like, oh, fuck this shit like is like hit hard now.
00:17:28
Speaker
the one-upmanship of the galle basically so jumping on story guys anybody else have comments on that story the premise of the miners this revenge kind of killing from the miner that was trapped during the dance and left for six days surviving off the bodies of his other trapped miners that's some dark stuff i i kind of like that backstory for our killer but anybody else comments on the story Yeah, so we could spoil stuff here, right? like Absolutely. yeah Okay, yeah. I mean, my take on the story is I do appreciate that the mining town, at most of the movie or half of it takes place in a mine, never seen that before and haven't seen it since. It's very creepy type of location. So I like the setting aspect of it. With regards to the story, to me, like a lot of it felt a little confusing. And I think because there's like the red herring of the...
00:18:21
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you know the miner that got trapped there, which really has nothing to do with kind of what's happening now. So I didn't really feel it was that unique a story other than just a typical slasher revenge story. it was Other than, again, the mining aspect of it, which I thought was cool, I don't really think it was that unique It was just kind of like, okay, we need to
Critique on Script and Character Development
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Speaker
have someone have revenge. What could we do? Okay, he gets trapped in a mine. And then kind of there's this, and maybe again, the the version I saw was different, but when you finally get to the end and find out who the killer was, it was so like quick and like wasn't set up at all. So it was kind of like, oh, okay, this,
00:18:57
Speaker
random character did all of this because of something that you see 30 seconds of happening when he was a kid so to me i didn't feel like it was that i know the story is different than script i didn't feel it was that unique other than the setting and location but i know you all have different opinions so kind of would love to kind of hear more yeah the story wise for me i'm kind of this is i think the only one that i gave not like 10. i thought this movie i love this movie but the story it's it's interesting because it kind of goes both ways, right? It's i'm in the middle of the road because
00:19:32
Speaker
um yes it is a revenge slash movie it's been done right but what what to me what makes it so unique and compelling is one it's not teenagers yeah right you have a working class young adults that hasn't been done that was and i thought that was really really neat these very blue collar workers these these are you know these what you would call manly men they worked in the mine they you know they took care of their women and those were the victims of this movie I also feel like with this now this is my opinion i the way I always maybe I just fight in my head a little bit is that there was always supposed to be maybe a sequel
00:20:12
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you know, um because the way it ends, I always thought, okay, it's not, it was Axel who was doing all the killing because, right, his his dad was killed by Harry Warden in front of his eyes and it just, it messed with him, is that,
00:20:28
Speaker
in my mind a sequel always he runs off and the next one will pick up where now we really get harry warden maybe maybe a pseudo friday of the 13th right the first one is really pamela vorhees but the second one now we're getting the true story of jason coming in this is really when harry warren comes in and kind of i don't know maybe actual runs off harry warden's really there and offs him and now we are getting the whole my bloody valentine franchise like I said that's a lot of me coming up in my head but like i said yeah that's how why I think it's a little middle of the road with the story is that yes at the courts of slasher we have so many of those but really it's the young adults that has never been done before you know these are very working class manly men that are getting killed and plus that that's how I justify the ending So yeah yeah I get that. I'll be quiet for this, but I think my main issue with the story and maybe because I didn't grow up in a really small Canadian town, so I don't know the, in the eighties, so i don't know the experience, but the fact that the big thing that sets this guy off is a dance to me just seems silly. Cause like, i don't know, as a young adult, if I'm in my twenties, I don't want to go to a a dance. It just sounds like who cares? Like I'm going to go to a dance in my town that has like 30 people living in it. So to me,
00:21:46
Speaker
It just feels like that's what set this guy off all of a sudden that they're throwing a dance. and And I get it kind of, okay, the the the dance was the reason why the miners left and the one guy got trapped and then he ended up killing people. But this seems a little far-fetched that that's like, this guy's lived for 20 plus years, been completely normal.
00:22:05
Speaker
and now the town is throwing a dance and he's going to kill all these people that just it seems like poor writing to me but i mean interesting but that's the trauma connections there though i mean it's kind of hard to not to deny that you know because i saw this and i thought silent night deadly night you know you got someone who's in a run around costume killing people because of a childhood trauma you know and axel's dad was one of those two supervisors who bailed and let that accident happen so there is a significant impact there to get there's there's always a trigger that triggers that kind of suggest way of thinking that okay now you know he may may have never thought that this would affect him the way it did sell that one trigger happened and i know you know we we might make it's a dance so so what
00:22:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i don't I don't know if you... I mean, Rich, you were saying, you know, not growing up in a small Canadian town. I think i think um your perspective is lacking because you've never cooked a hot dog on an engine bay in a junkyard. Well, you don't know that about me. It's very possible. That's true. Yeah, that's true. No, I think, I mean, i don't know. When it comes to plot, I always try to look at things in the context of, like, what what am I looking to to to get out of something, right? I don't need...
00:23:15
Speaker
I don't need this overly i don't even want to say complicated, this overly complex plot to enjoy somebody in a mining costume, offing people for an hour and a half. So in my mind, like when I rated it, I was thinking of it in the context of the film. and Like it gave me what I needed out of it where I wasn't really concerned about it. It wasn't sticking out to me. There was nothing that I that I that I was additionally like really questioning outside of like, yeah, it's silly.
00:23:44
Speaker
um So I think it was simple enough. You're also still so early in the in the slasher genre. You know, a lot of a lot of what's to come in, you know, 83, 84, 85, when things are a little bit more kind of trying to change and stay ahead of the curve, ah things get more complex. And I think sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
00:24:05
Speaker
ah So for me, when I rated it, it just delivered what I Needed it to deliver to make what I'm truly looking forward to, which is the, you know, the kills and the silliness. ah You know, I didn't have any issues with.
00:24:19
Speaker
i mean i like the plot so i'm just gonna throw that out there i mean for me this is a holiday horror film i mean that's what it is one of the first one like probably the first to kind of like have valentine's day as like you know kind of like you know surrounded like the plot um i don't think anyone's done that before and a revenge plot against faulty management i mean how blue collar is that i mean that's that's beautifully beautifully stated i mean come on that's that's that's pretty badass and what i what i think they did um a fairly good job with which i mean it bothered rich but i think they did a good job by kind of keeping the killer a mystery like you you you really didn't know like maybe you didn't you didn't feel like there was enough for him to like
00:25:04
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you know end up being the killer and so I think there was a lot of confusion like could it be Harry could it be someone else who is this really and I I found that part like interesting because uh they did throw out so many red herrings and you and for me you know not remembering this film I haven't watched it too many times uh it was a surprise you know when it happened so I was like hell yeah why not Yeah, I mean, for someone to live in a town called Valentine's Bluff, Valentine is in their DNA. Yeah, they love it.
00:25:34
Speaker
Yeah, have goes seriously I do want to say, I think the remake handled the story and the killer better than the original did, you know, because it it kind of went in a new, it gave Jensen Ackles character a little bit more like,
00:25:47
Speaker
You know, it built up to him. They gave you some red air herrings. But when you have the the moment when he's breaking the light bulbs and it's kind of popping and showing him inside, you know, i think the remake handled it better. I think that's the one thing that the remake kind of did one up the original on.
00:26:01
Speaker
um But again, I do think the remake in comparison is a little overly complex for its own good. So it kind of like falls on both both sides for me. I'll actually watch that later tonight after we were done. That's a fun one. I enjoy that remake. That was in the early 2000s when they had to do extreme remakes of all of these movies. We had Black Christmas. In 3D. I just remember a lot of nudity. That's all I remember about the remake. There was another one. Definitely need to watch it. That's all I remember. It's also every time I think of the remake, I think of nudity and a little person. That's all I think. Is there nudity in the uncut version of the 1901? No, no. So that is one thing that is one thing that I actually bring it up.
00:26:48
Speaker
I'm going to say now because I'll forget later. I give credit to the director kind of because it kind of sets us up at that beginning scene. was racing in the mind that we're about to see a Friday the 13th, you know, teenagers having sex in the mines and getting taken off one by one. And kind of just sets it up like that. And then it goes away entirely. And at first I feel misled, but I also kind of like the move. I think it was kind of kind of smart. So.
00:27:17
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Your scores guys will move on from the story here. i gave the story. get the story itself a four because I do think it elevates the typical teenagers getting hacked for wanting to sleep together. ah i think it elevates that a little bit more. It brings just enough new to the plate. Like other than the girl at the very beginning, the next kill is an elderly woman who runs the laundromat. That's that's just.
00:27:46
Speaker
Yeah, poor Mabel. So and I do kind of like the Scooby Doo who done it aspect of who's behind that mask. I do kind of enjoy that. So I give the story a four.
00:27:59
Speaker
I'm a three. Yeah, I gave it. I mean, i gave it a four. I do think there's a lot of like really good little like side elements here. Like i love the relationship between Mabel and newbie kind of like this, you know, this kind of like unspoken kind of like thing there. ah you know, I think that speaks more in character than it does in story, but I think it tries a little bit more in some areas and others and, you know, i'm perfectly fine with it. So a four felt, felt perfect for me.
00:28:26
Speaker
Yeah. I went middle of the road three. i was with Jonathan on that one. I, that's kind of where I was at. yeah i went for as well i i liked it and i like all these comparisons to friday 13th because i literally went and saw it on friday 13th in the theaters uh so that was a good rewatch on on a big screen uh but i think i did enjoy this a little bit more so i'm gonna stick with my four now we all gotta hear what riches is yeah but I gave it a two. I would have given it off a full one if it wasn't for the mining town. Again, I'm way off what you guys see in this movie. And I don't need a real complicated plot for a slasher movie. it could be very simple. I just didn't think this was anything special. It was just, okay, like it's typical, typical slasher movie. And to me, it felt like, and kind of was like just like a money grab of, okay, let's do another holiday horror movie because Friday the 15th did well, Halloween did well. So to me, I just didn't think it was anything special. and And to be honest, like when it got to the end, I was kind of confused. And yeah, you know, so that's my opinion.
00:29:22
Speaker
Hey, the ending is incredibly confusing. I'll be honest with you. It it comes out of nowhere. And even still to this day, every time I rewatch this movie, I'm like, all right, whatever. yeah It was a twist that didn't need to be like, they could have just had it be, you know, the original guy who they thought it was. It didn't need to be like oh, it's this other guy. But unless again, they were setting up a sequel, which who knows. And that, that's kind of how I feel. have comments that reveal when it comes to the editing section of the film, but i would agree. But Jordan, did you give your score? Yeah, three.
00:30:00
Speaker
Did we lose Jordan? Jordan? Hello? I heard him. Yeah, I heard him. He gave a three error. Okay. And Jonathan? I also said I was a three who like right after you did.
00:30:11
Speaker
Okay. you leave for a little bit, Tim? I think we lost Tim a little bit. We lost him. We had a lag issue last time. i think yeah That would not be the first time.
00:30:23
Speaker
Alright, so the character arc here, this this one was a little bit more of a struggle for me because like we talked about, the reveal of who's behind the mask feels kind of abrupt. There's not a whole lot of build up to that, not a whole lot to give us any reason until we get the flashback of him being under the bed at the very end. you know we didn't see any of that coming uh but i think the character story here is really about our love triangle that's our characters that we're supposed to kind of latch on to and follow and their growth throughout it and i don't feel like this movie has a super compelling like where i am at the beginning to where i am at the end is a transformative journey i don't feel like it has a super compelling version of that but i will say that this love triangle
00:31:10
Speaker
I think is probably the most compelling love triangle I've seen in any slasher. It's I kind of like that we're doing a holiday horror film on Valentine's Day and centering it on a love triangle.
00:31:21
Speaker
It feels appropriate. It feels like, hey, take your girlfriend to go see this Valentine slasher movie because there's a rock. Like it felt like they knew what they were doing with it. They really wanted to lean into that. And it's somewhat interesting. It's not super compelling, but you do get the growth of it's TJ, right?
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah. yeah to Yeah. The one who left town and came back. Yeah. And I do think that's kind of an interesting, he's kind of our biggest red herring. Yeah. Sarah's a hoe though. Sarah's a hoe trying to play too. yeah sarah Sarah is a hoe.
00:31:59
Speaker
I do think it's kind of this interesting arc of he went off to try to make something of himself out west, wherever that is, and failed. And now is home and dad's making him work in the mines. And his dad, he's a Hanager. It's his family mine.
00:32:14
Speaker
So I do think his story is somewhat fascinating. i just don't know that it's super, a super compelling story for me. yeah did any of you guys like do you guys think there's any arc of any character in this movie at all there's not a single zero yeah like it's kill bait tj's an asshole in the beginning he's an asshole at the end like nobody goes through any transformation besides from alive to death yeah like well goes from rescuer to killer
00:32:46
Speaker
He does. Yeah. Yeah. That's within like five minutes, but, yeah but you never even really see him as the killer. Right. Until no he's got the mask on. So you don't even know who it is until the very last shot of like him all fucked up. But like, it's not even like, it would have been better if like at some point they unmask him and he's still kind of chasing them and killing people. And it's like, that's the reveal versus like this, like, oh yeah, we're just going end this movie now. That's the guy that did it. Okay. I think it's cool, though, for Axl, though, I think it's cool. And I think there is an not i agree a great arc, but I think there is one there because he was just this dude, hard working, he's got the girl.
00:33:23
Speaker
Dude, you know, TJ shows up. Next thing you know, everything's all fucked up. It's about to be Valentine's Day. Got that trauma in his head. oh shit, what the hell? All the stress from her trying to play him and, hook you know, with the other dude with TJ.
00:33:35
Speaker
And, you know, and getting a little too gnarly with it and her having to be like, you need to calm down and her egging her ex and then the ex also egging him on a whole bunch of shit comes down on. I think that kind of like helps him of solidify that snap when he really gets into it with the killing.
00:33:52
Speaker
You know, so and then finally, it like but yes, even though it was so quick, the transition to being killer, the fact that he played them all, but making it seem like he fell into that like 60 foot deep cistern or whatever, and made me think he was dead. And then coming up being like, ha ha, surprise, bitch. You know, I thought that was kind of cool as far as arcs go. surprise The fact that he ran away like a bitch without an arm being all like, I'm going to get you here. worth more blu yeah yeah i I thought it kind of sucked that we didn't get more solid ending in that, that he got away, but that's where a sequel could have come in. Well, even though they said Harry Ward was dead, so that wouldn't be ah possible.
00:34:27
Speaker
Well, I do agree with Jonathan. That was kind of my my angle at it. completely you You took the words right out my mouth with that. um But yeah, to answer, i mean, I was looking and yeah, there was supposed to be a sequel called The Return of the Miner that was planned for a long time and never never got legs and got off the ground.
00:34:46
Speaker
And I think that would for a lot of people, that would have changed a lot of people's perspective on this movie. um I don't know. i mean, i think I think if Sarah had just died TJ and Axel survived, we could have had that great band that TJ and Axel were going to have together. I think one played to harmonica. They both played harmonica, right? Yeah. It's like, I really like that guy, damn it. It's just like, yeah what is it on Star? on saw that the the saw trap when they're the two dudes with the woman is cheating on both of them oh yeah yeah i think when i was looking at this rating i think i was thinking of it of it because there's there's there's no arcs i was thinking of it more of just characters in general and i do have to say like
00:35:30
Speaker
everybody in this movie does feel for, you know, if you're going to take away acting talent, everybody feels pretty real here and believable as real people. You know, like everybody has a personality. You have the Joker and you have, you know, these these stereotypes in there, maybe not to the extent of Friday the 13th, but they're there. But everybody here feels pretty real in a world that feels pretty lived in. And that's kind of more how I was looking at it. You know, I I kind of believed in everybody was the role that they were playing. And I thought it was a lot of fun. Like, I think the beginning of the movie with them running out of the mines, showering together and then, you know, running out to the cars and racing the bar. and And we get like a bluegrass track as they're racing to the bar. And it's a great little choice. Yeah, I agree. They get dirty in the day and then dirty at night.
00:36:18
Speaker
Oh, I did like that little hatch, like that'll chop back like a bug, bug that they're kind of putting around and trying to catch with everybody. That was awesome. So Rich said it and i have to, ill I'll just say it now. It goes in my editing category, but I'll say it now while I'm thinking about it because I agree with Rich that I think the reveal of Axel moving up in the timeline of this film would have made the ending so much more suspenseful. If we know that Axel is the killer and then we see him show up and try to rescue the girls and lead them through the mine, suddenly we know that he doesn't have the best of intentions.
00:36:57
Speaker
And we know that he is he is with or those two girls are with the killer. And then suddenly we're waiting for TJ to find them and save them from the killer by having both TJ and Axel be the killer running through the mines. That scene drags on and on and on. And then we get the reveal of Axel and like move that up.
00:37:21
Speaker
I think if you reveal when TJ and Axel get in the fight at the party and they kick axel out i think at that moment you go show him put on the costume or he kills someone out of costume and then puts it on and we make that connection and then the rest of the movie is we know who the killer is now and we can't trust him when he shows up outside of costume so i think that adds a suspenseful element Yeah, I was listening. could have done I'm sorry, really quick. Just kind of going to forget at this point. But and this probably goes to the editing too. Not just maybe moving that up, but also moving up the fact that Harry Ward has been dead.
00:37:59
Speaker
And then we start thinking like, wait a minute, if he's not the killer, then who is it? Because I know people mentioned earlier, there's a lot of red herrings. For me, there wasn't. Because to me, it's like, it's the escape lunatic that's the killer up until the last 30 seconds of the movie. And I think if they would have put some doubt in your head, that would have made it interesting. And that would have made the characters more interesting because now you're like really paying attention to them. And for me, like when I'm watching this, knowing that the killer is just some psychopath I'm not paying attention to the characters. They all seem like disposable kill bait to me. And I would have been more locked into their nuances if I would have known that one of them could be the killer. And this was like a Scooby-Doo thing, but it didn't feel that way. Like because of the placement of that reveal.
00:38:38
Speaker
Sorry. Sorry. Whoever I cut. Yeah. no no no, no. You're good, man. I was just going to say, I was listening to a podcast earlier about this movie and specifically the characters of the movie that the podcast was focusing on. And they they mentioned a funny point, which was how at this point in 1981 in Canada, they must not have discovered walkie talkies yet.
00:38:57
Speaker
Because, you know, in the ending of the movie, when they split up, nobody thought we should bring a method of communication with us from top to the bottom. I just thought that was a funny anecdote. You know, you know, one of the things I was thinking about Axel is, you know, his character writing and stuff is just kind of maybe some would say lazy.
00:39:18
Speaker
um biggest thing is too he's kind of the embodiment of Valentine's Bluff itself because if you remember Valentine's both buried Harry Warden's story they kept it under wraps really's just forget about we're not going to deal with it and that's kind of what Axel was right maybe you could call it survivor's guilt whatever you want but he is one of those that buried that in his past and I think he's a perfect representation of the town itself
00:39:44
Speaker
Yeah, i mean, i i think i think I think back then, I'm much more accepting of like a trauma-based situation more than I am now, like in modern horror.
00:39:55
Speaker
Because back then, I get it. like It's fun to just have you know a character get flipped when he sees Santa or he sees a Valentine's Day dance. you know that's That's fun. i do think...
00:40:10
Speaker
i mean I think you can kind of... there's probably some stuff you can add, you know, with Axel along the way that does kind of point at it more. i think a lot of people think it's surprising to just throw something in at the end and like there's your reveal. But it's really not. It's more confusing for your audience because you gave zero explanation along the way or zero like indications of it at all.
00:40:35
Speaker
um And I ah supposedly the final two pages of this script were hidden from the cast up until the final day they were shooting. And some people claim in interviews that that was because they didn't finish writing it and they didn't know what the ending was.
00:40:52
Speaker
Others claim. Yeah. Others claim it was on purpose so that and then they told both all the actors to act like you were the killer. I think they just didn't have the shit finished until the last day. And then they were like, oh, congratulations. You're you're the killer. But You can feel that.
00:41:10
Speaker
It's the final season of Stranger Things. ah Man, I forgot what I was going to say. Go ahead, whoever is next. i have really nothing to add about the the characters here other than and i would like to say that my favorite character was hollis yes i i yeah yeah i think he had a cool arc he was like this kind of dorky guy and then he just tries to bring a whole bunch of girls into the mind when they're drunk maybe trying to hook up i mean to me so that's that's a transformation in his character it has one of the most badass mustaches i've ever seen talk about that i mean so
00:41:43
Speaker
I'm glad you brought up the mustache because that's the standout of that character. jealous. I wish I could grow that. He seems like the the most like a genuine dude. Like he's the one who has to break up TJ and actually like come on guys, knock it off.
00:41:58
Speaker
Like stop fighting. This is ridiculous. Yeah, it's so it's so funny now this whole episode, I just want to compare my bloody Valentine to the de final season of Stranger Things. see how but Like interconnect, you know what i mean? i mean, they do go into the upside down, which could be the mines you know' basically related.
00:42:15
Speaker
yeah yeah Yeah, it's very closely related. yeah There's a lot of reds. This is Valentine's Day. yeah Well, aside from that, i would as far as anything else with Rx, man, I just hope that Sarah learned not to be a hoe and that TJ would learn not to try to bust up someone else's relationship in the way that would cause ah another person to snap and start murdering her.
00:42:34
Speaker
Hey, I think she moved on. She made it kind of clear at the end of the party, like both of you just leave me the hell alone. And then they went into the mines and the movie ends. So i think she moved on. Well, so I hope TJ learns to never bring a woman back to the place where you took her virginity or the first had sex. And that doesn't work to get you back together. That's basically what he does by bringing her to that. You know, he's like, oh, I thought this was a special spot. And she's like, yeah, I still don't give a shit. so Yeah. It wasn't it wasn't as good for me. ah ah Then the the line about girls no girls in the mines.
00:43:13
Speaker
Oh yeah yeah. At the end. And I was like, is this like a pirate ship? Like you're not allowed to have women on the, on the boat? No women in the mines. Is that, but i don't know. Because of the woman in the mine at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. Oh, you hear that? yeah like, well, what the fuck she doing? I don't know. I don't, I don't know mining lore. So I don't know that. But when it comes to character, I give it a two on the arc. I don't think there's a tremendously compelling arc here, but I do agree. I think the characters feel, you somewhat lived in, but there's not really growth for positive or negative that happens in this film. So I give it a two.
00:43:48
Speaker
I'm all for Axel's twisted arc. So I give it a four. Hey, I gave it a five. I don't know what you guys are talking about because I love seeing his unhinged self, you know, being very self, just self conscious about his relationship and everything. It just kind of, it it adds layers to the very end.
00:44:08
Speaker
Jordan, I agree with you, but that is on rewatch after I know that he's the killer. After I know he's a killer and I watch it again, I think it enhances his character. I mean, but you see it and you think you could, at least with me, it's like, okay, I can see it now. Okay. That makes sense. So maybe. Yeah. I mean, I gotta say, like I gave it a four, but there's a reason I stopped giving star ratings to movies on letterbox because sometimes my ratings make no fucking sense. So take that as it is. It's the the time of day or whatever you watch it. It's true.
00:44:41
Speaker
Oh, man. Well, I gave it a three, just right down the middle, you know just average. I didn't want disregard Axel. That was probably obviously the most interesting of the characters and his development. But outside that, really nothing else. Just kill bait.
00:44:56
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, look, I gave it a one and I did watch this twice back to back basically, cause I watched it and then I was like, oh, I better to pay attention to some of the other things. So I watched it a second time knowing Axel was the killer. And I mean, it's just in the writing, like everybody seemed interchangeable to me. It was nothing special about anyone in particular. They're all kind of hot like horror tropes. And i don't know, it just, it was very, the characters were very lacking for me, which again, in a slasher movie, I'm okay with that. don't need to be like,
00:45:23
Speaker
have fancy characters if they're all just gonna get killed but you know if i'm gonna rate a movie on a scale like the characters weren't what made me watch this movie yeah if i was gonna watch it again all right that's everybody right music and sound design so this category usually don't have a ton to say about this category or spend a lot of time on this one uh but this one i did mention it's got I kind of like the blue collar soundtrack to it. It's got that bluegrass scene that we talked about. We got the bluegrass music. It's got kind of a country feel at points, and I think it's different than what we see in a lot of other slasher fare. I think the music feels.
00:46:08
Speaker
Less kitschy. and more authentic to our characters in the setting that we're in and so i think that enhances it a little i don't think it's like a super memorable like yes i know harry warden's theme it's not a it's not a jason you know we don't have that it's not a michael myers i wouldn't recognize myself harry warden's theme so even thinking about this now i don't remember one but i think the sound design is
00:46:39
Speaker
pretty good in this film and the reason we lump music and sound design together is because some films have no music and it's just sound design some films have just music and no sound design so that's why they end up stuck together but yeah I don't have a lot more to say on that one Well, I think, you know, the the full soundtrack for this, like Paul Zaza's full score for this really hasn't been too available until Terravision actually just put it out this week. Oh, um yeah.
00:47:08
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's kind of been hard to find. like You can find it on YouTube and stuff. And it's actually kind of interesting because like like in between John Carpenter's synth scores and Harry Manfredini's string scores, Paul Zaza's is much more like relaxed. It doesn't really sound like a horror score. um It's not very memorable, but it's it's good. it just still feels like ah like pre standard for the genre affair. It's kind of like when you watch something from the 70s and they're playing like, ah you know, the most angelic, like upbeat music to the most ridiculous scene you've ever seen in your life. Yeah. Elevator music.
00:47:45
Speaker
Yeah, so um but oh almost it's like when you watch, a I don't know, some 1970s TV movie and somebody's getting chased by a werewolf and there's like Joe Crockett playing over them. Hmm.
00:47:57
Speaker
yeah I thought with the sound design and music uh Tim ah you kind of hit the nail on the head with the country bluegrass I thought the the memorable music in this is I think memorable because they fit so well within the context of the movie of what's going on but also I'm always a big proponent sometimes that you don't even notice a lot of the score yeah maybe some and I I kind of agree with Chris that it's not it's neither this or that it's just kind of, it's there, um, is it doesn't stand out so much, maybe just because of how well it fits. It just adds to it. It's just kind of there. And that's what I appreciate about it. Um, it's not, it's not so jarring to where, oh, okay. All i hear is the music, right?
00:48:44
Speaker
It sits well within the movie, I think. Mm-hmm. So one thing I'll say on the on the music and sound design, I think the opening scene, the music and sound design is really good. Like you have very subtle synth, you hear like the water dripping in the mind, you hear him breathing through the the mask. And I think that's really effective. But then after that, like other people are saying, you don't even notice it after that. And it's barely there. and to me, the bluegrass stuff, it's like interesting and unique, but it does make the movie feel pretty dated for some reason for me. What I will say about the sound design and and I could get it like it's OK if I don't notice it and it's just like forgettable, that's fine. But it's severely lacking in certain scenes. And the scene I'm thinking of for particular is like the final confrontation between TJ and Axel they're on the mining car and there's there's almost no music. And even when they're fighting, you barely hear anything. And for me,
00:49:37
Speaker
like a fight scene or something climactic needs music it needs it and for me it's boring without it and i feel like that was like the big climax of the movie and to not have something bold is a huge letdown because to me, I'm just like, I'm, I'm bored at that point. I shouldn't be. So that's why I kind of scored this one a little lower, but I do think the opening scene is really, really good. i like, I like how that sounds. It's really sets a tone for the movie and then just falls off from there in my opinion.
00:50:08
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, my score is mostly just based on the ah Harry Warden song that Paul Zaza wrote for the ending of the movie. I think that deserves a five all on own. yes I thought it was a real like track at this time and had to look that up. So it's not my, it's not my genre. So I wouldn't have known, but.
00:50:33
Speaker
I don't have too much to add to this conversation. my only note is that I did like the beginning and I thought I was going to have a lot to talk about as far as the music and the soundscape. But just like Rich said, it kind of disappeared after that. So my only note is there's nothing memorable after that. So.
00:50:48
Speaker
Well, I also think that goes to my misdirection. So the opening is there synth later in the film? I think there's some droning creepy drone kind of sounds going on, but not as heavy as it was. think it's very low. Yeah. You hear it. Okay. Because really listen for it like, and it's like, is that drone or is that just like, yeah, it's hard to kind of tell, but yeah, I don't think that ever comes back. At least not that I noticed. so i'm wondering again is it part of that misdirection of that opening scene with the woman undressing we got the synth like we're leaning into some of those things that have been successful already to hook you and then we take a sharp left turn yeah i mean question really quick about that opening scene i'm sorry i'm cutting some of this is probably skipping ahead but how does that relate to the plot like who is that woman and
00:51:39
Speaker
Like to me that- Why does no one know she's missing? Yeah, but like, it seems like a throwing like a scene that doesn't even fit the rest of the movie. Like, who is she like, is did Axel have another girl?
00:51:50
Speaker
i was so confused when like the movie was over. i was like, wait, what did that seems to do with this movie? Yeah, and at good point. There's a heart. Yeah, just did I miss something? Jordan, Chris, do do you know? Cause I don't other than she's the first heart that appears in a box. Yeah. As far as I know, it's just kind of the catalyst to start the story along essentially is what it is because you have them in the car and they're talking about, there's this woman who's missing and they kind of, I think they hint to it that that was her at the beginning. okay Yeah. So can I jump in then as a big plot hole then, because if what sets him off is that they're having a dance and he kills this woman before they announced they're having a dance.
00:52:27
Speaker
Why did he kill her? I guess is is or are we just assuming that they had planned this all along? Because to me, it seems like there that happens before. Hey, there was no sequel. Maybe that really was. her mean, you you might be overthinking it, but I also don't think you're exactly wrong. I was under the impression the dance had been planned for a while.
00:52:47
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The the the dance thing. So when it comes to scoring the music and sound design. Did you hear, you can you hear Jordan? Jordan, talk. over no Hey, here, Jordan. Can you hear me?
00:53:01
Speaker
can you make it hear you and god but It was like, fuck whatever you got to say. guess is like yeah He and Jonathan are frozen on my screen. I don't know what's going on. what can Can you hear me though, Tim? Can you hear me? tim no yeah Everybody else hears me, I guess. yeah yeah yeah Yeah. Yeah. No, but I was saying is the dance really doesn't come up until the bartender really talks about the lore and of everything. And then that's why he's like, so don't go to that. Don't don't do it.
00:53:29
Speaker
Yeah, well, I do want to say in music... It's weird rhyming shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do want to say in music, it really kind of considers, like, I don't know how you guys feel about it, but to me, there's two different types of scores, right? There's your traditional, let's say, like, your more anthem-based score, like, your more melodic score, and then there's kind of, like, what I guess what you can really consider, like, atmosphere. I guess if you listen to, like, I think in recent memory, Evil Dead Rise was, like, the most recent score I've listened to that I'm like, there's no music. It's just kind of
00:53:59
Speaker
noise that blends in with maybe some creepy strings and creepy stuff. It looks like there are five tracks or four tracks on Spotify from Paul Zaza.
00:54:12
Speaker
All four tracks run an hour and 10 minutes total, and it's mostly just noise like it's kind of like a drone and then you have the occasional string, the occasional synth pop in.
00:54:23
Speaker
um And while personally like I like it, it's no wonder why there's nothing memorable here it's mostly just atmosphere no it's like putting on a thunderstorm while you're sleeping you know well well think of the texas chainsaw mask everything that's a prime example is it just metal noises and little you know uh stings here and there that's all it is and it's a i think that's a very good example is it's similar in and that aspect but plus no one's talking about the song at the credits
00:54:54
Speaker
I listen, I talked about him. It's Chris. Oh, he did. Okay. I love that song. look Look, Tim heard you when you were when you were talking about something already talked. Yeah, I got Jonathan and Jordan Mac now. yeah Technology. you know No, no, the melody at the end is fantastic. Oh, yeah. That thing's a banger. I'll pull up windows down to that midsummer, bro.
00:55:17
Speaker
All right, let's score the music and sound design. i was a three. as was I everything just kind of blended and I just kind of forgot about it while getting caught up in the action you guys are all wrong I gave it a five and I'm not ashamed to admit that because I think the sound design is really the the standout here the the water the rocks shifting the caves the the music the sound design in the mine i think was great and plus the the the credit song I think is incredible and in the bluegrass. So good.
00:55:50
Speaker
Yeah, Jordan, you and i you're you're rolling in passenger seat, man. I gave this a five as well. There we are. Wow. I have a question real quick. Rich, you've made some films.
00:56:01
Speaker
Correct.
00:56:03
Speaker
What would it take to film a movie like this in a mine and dealing with capturing the sound without capturing extra audio that you don't want? How difficult Would that be a nightmare to do or is that?
00:56:18
Speaker
so I imagine it would be tough. it would be It would be, yeah, I mean, it would be a nightmare, but I i would guarantee that you know they had just closed mics, just picked up the dialogue and then they added in all of the noises in the end. So I think that's all sound design is what you hear. i feel like they blocked out a lot of just the echo and thing, but I feel like they probably did a lot of overdubbing.
00:56:39
Speaker
If you had to ask me, I haven't watched the director's commentary on this, but I would think that you would have to do that. just because it'd be hard to pick up clean audio in a very enclosed space like that. but Yeah.
00:56:50
Speaker
I also don't think they really spent a lot of time trying to get it because four times a day while shooting this, they would actually have to evacuate the mines because of methane gas buildup.
00:57:01
Speaker
God. Uh, thanks to like barometric pressure would cause this methane gas buildup and they would have to actually leave the mines. And another part about this too, is that they could only use when they were down in the mine shooting 25 watt lights ah because anything higher than that was a risk of sparking, which if there happened to be some extra methane in the air could literally kill the entire crew.
00:57:23
Speaker
So I think they were kind of going down there and gunning through this as fast as they can. Nope, no thank you. Nope. yeah know that even They mentioned the methane buildup in the film at one point. That's a cool little real life connection.
00:57:37
Speaker
I'd be terrified to make this movie. I don't want to be in a fucking mind. Like the fact that they didn't do this in a set, like, and I read that they found this mine, it was like perfect. But then when they found out they were making a movie, the town like cleaned it up and did all this work. And then I think it cost them like 70 grand, something ridiculous to make the mind look like a shitty mind again, which I feel like you could have just built a set for that and it would have lot safer and you could have done more, but I guess they wanted the authentic actual mine, but it feels like a big risk that I would have never taken. mean, for comparison's sake, what other movies have mines? So Eight-Legged Freaks has a mine. I'm pretty sure that's a set. It looks pretty good. It looks no better or worse than My Bloody Valentine. And then Zoolander also has a mine briefly, and I do think that was set. I'm sure that's a set, yeah. And it looks no better nor worse than this. So they could have done a set. Stranger Things has the tunnels. The descent. Stranger Things was all CGI. Well, the descent was all not even done in caves. They used the bathtub, that one scene, to try and get the close-up of the claustrophobic crawling through the caves.
00:58:45
Speaker
Yeah. Okay.
00:58:49
Speaker
did Did I do my rating? I forget. I gave it a one for for sound design. Maybe I could have been swayed to move it to a two, but I feel like it was lacking in certain points where it needed music. i I don't see it being anything more than two. And I didn't hear the ending credits song because I did watch this on a streaming service that automatically skipped to the next movie. So I don't even know what that song is. So maybe I would have given it five if would have heard that. You got a rock short on this one, it sounds like.
00:59:15
Speaker
I'm sorry. I gave it a two. That's it. I'm starting to think that Rich likes the My Bloody Valentine single, My Bloody Valentine from Lifestyles of Richard a Famous in 2003 more than this movie. I haven't heard it, but probably.
00:59:31
Speaker
Hey, i love yeah I love having different perspectives on this. No, yeah. I'm just i'm just messing around. i'm taking ah I was trying to find a way to bring that song into this conversation the whole time.
00:59:44
Speaker
ah All right. So that's everybody, right? you Yeah. Okay. Editing and special effects. This this was a high point for me. i can see uh rich was certainly affected by seeing the theatrical version that you didn't get to see some of the great effects of this yeah take my score out of it but but what i did see like i thought that the hearts looked really good that they the fake hearts that they used i thought that looked really good the kills that you i did see i thought were good but yeah i missed if i would seen the uncut version i'm sure would have given it a much higher score on that cooked heart looked disgusting. I hated that. Oh, when they boiled the dude's face in the hot dogs. Oh, yeah. In the hot dog water. And those hot dogs didn't look done when they took them out and ate it. I'm not going to give it as a lower score. Put that in an air fry or something.
01:00:35
Speaker
I will say I really appreciate the the the title credits effect with the the blood drip from the heart and everything. i don't know i just found that really enjoyable as far as any kind of special effect or graphics goes in this yeah to throw that in that off tool i thought for for 81 yeah um i thought the practical effects were just phenomenal um you know i especially for at the time i think they're great i think the um we we talked about it the the pickaxe going through the eye was just great even the the little of him cutting his arm off still the sound of that scene it still gives me makes me a little squeamish um but like yeah that um the uh uh what's her name tumbling in the dryer like there was the special effects in here were great
01:01:28
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Thomas Berman's effects are incredible and they they're really like I know the George Mahal goes talked about before how the hot dog water death. There was like nine layers of skin effects bill and they were activated by different heats of water. so that's how they had to shoot it. And it's a shame because I think it was like a three minute long continuous sequence in an original cut and it got trimmed down to almost nothing. um But I think the i think the practical effects of this movie are the reason to put this movie on and to watch it. They're they're really sick. They're really, really, really nasty. And ah I have a lot of fun, man. I think they're incredible.
01:02:10
Speaker
Yeah, I thought that, I think we mentioned it before, but that Sylvia kill where they, she gets hung on the pipe. And then you see like the pipe kind of go through her mouth. And then like a few moments later, she kind of becomes like a water spigot and the water just kind of starts shooting out of her mouth. I mean, I definitely never saw. anything like that before and especially for the year of this film I thought I thought that was incredible and I definitely have to agree with everyone else a lot of these kills are great the hot dog kill I mean the camera from inside the the pot I mean that was like a I never I never imagined seeing something like that i definitely didn't remember it from the first time I watched it so I I thought a lot of the kills were great I didn't really judge a lot of the editing I don't think um I'm equipped to do that but I definitely I'm leaning towards the special effects I thought they did great
01:02:59
Speaker
yeah there's actually oh go ahead john no i just i was really disappointed because i didn't get all that in the shower scene like you see him chasing her in the shower and then you see the dude coming back and then all you said from what i saw my version all i saw was like the side of her face this front portion of it and the water coming out while the boyfriend looks at her in terror so i'm like what the hell man why did i have to miss out on all this good stuff Yeah, it took I'm pretty sure it took four rounds at the MPAA to finally get this movie through. And even then, they the final round of the movie went through, they had a problem with the bartender death, the pickaxe, you know, through the eye. And they actually they had to go back. They were like, oh, you still need more frames cut off.
01:03:41
Speaker
And they were like, there's no more frames. What you're hearing is the sound. And then they sent that back to the MPAA and MPAA was like, oh, yeah, you're right. OK, you're good now. So they just kept hacking away at this thing, man, to the point where, like I said, there's literally lost footage because they had to trim it so much. How do you, you know, you have to be so meticulous to keep these little slivers of film that you're chopping out just to try to get, you know, a rating and they lost them for that, ah for that one kill. But...
01:04:08
Speaker
I think it's a I think it's a true testament to kind of like the the re like I've always believed in rewatching and revisiting movies, you know, going back and watching them again. i think my buddy Valentine is one that only i think would really I think like Rich, when you finally watch the uncut version.
01:04:26
Speaker
I think you're going to be like, holy shit, dude. The impact is like so much better. Everything I'm hearing, I'm like really excited. Like even like the shot Jerry was talking about, about the hot dog in the water. Like I don't have that in my version. What? Oh, no way. Oh my God. Yeah, and I gave directing a lower score because there wasn't anything unique like that. If I would have seen- holy shit any of these things the water spig i didn't see any of this stuff so so for me i'm gonna i definitely now i really want to rewatch it and maybe this does become movie i enjoy because that's what i needed i needed these scenes that you're all talking about here let's see don't know how well this will work i'm pretty sure that uh that that bartender that gets killed with the pickaxe rich i think you'd really enjoy this i think when he's like walking to like the uh
01:05:10
Speaker
the mine he's he's holding a bottle of Cuddy shark I was gonna ask you about that yeah so he he's got he's got the Cuddy shark and I got tonight so uh so uh like I paused it quite a few times just to uh I was gonna hit you up with a drinking game just to see if you do that but yeah this scene this scene oh this is uh I want rich to I want rich to see this even though this is edited for YouTube still but like
01:05:45
Speaker
Oh yeah, I didn't see it is yeah I did not see that. yep Yeah, that's a cool. Like a marshmallow wobbling. Yeah, and then then he gets dragged from that across the ground. yeah i love I saw him getting dragged. Yeah, I did see that, but I didn't see that like that happening. So cool, very cool.
01:06:05
Speaker
I hope I find anything in life as enjoyable as that man finds opening that door. You know what Like, like sort youre drink cut sorry if you drink that, you'll enjoy anything. anything you give shit That's the key right there. Okay. Who has more comments on?
01:06:27
Speaker
Oh, I mentioned, i know my big thing. i don't, i don't want to cut off if somebody is talking that I can't hear again. Uh, For the editing, I do think watching it, going back and knowing that Axel is the killer.
01:06:43
Speaker
The hot dog scene stands out because it's in the same building and Axel is in the room. This is pre the fight with TJ. And so he goes and puts on the costume, does the hot dog killing, takes off the costume, goes back into the room with the love triangle, gets in the fight and then gets kicked outside.
01:07:05
Speaker
well i remind me is he in truly in costume when that happens yes okay because i because went back my second watch preparing for this i was like i want to see if his appearances line up with costume and all of that and i was like yeah he's in costume because he's wearing the mask at least but it looked like he's in full minor gear and I don't know how quickly they put it on, but that's one that I'm like, if we had moved the reveal up, even if it was that scene that we were, that we moved the reveal up and then he gets kicked out on the fight, then we explain why he's out in costume outside of that area a lot more. So that's minor gripe on editing. I just wish they had placed it
01:07:53
Speaker
slightly different the hot dog scene almost seems too early like it was like hey it's been too long let's get another one and it doesn't really fit with where axel is at supposed to be at that moment so that's that's a minor complaint i think my bigger issue is i do wish we knew axel was the killer before he and tj go into the mines to save the girls because then that changes the suspense level of that drastically so those are that's my minor gripe on editing i love the effects seeing the uncut version
01:08:29
Speaker
I love the effects of this film. I think the editing is best in the lead up to the death in the shower. I'm forgetting the character's name, but when she is left alone and wandering this like locker room changing area that's attached the shower in the, you know, minor outfits are falling from the, c I thought that was the best.
01:08:53
Speaker
laid out scene beginning to end. I thought it was really effective. It's a really cool set piece. I think it brings like a really interesting level of paranoia and kind of fear kind of reminds me of some of the Scream sequels where like the character wanders wanders into a stab set into like the costume design and all of a sudden there's ghost face everywhere. I thought that was really cool with them kind of falling into chaos between the editing leading up to her kill.
01:09:16
Speaker
um But outside of that, I mean, the rest of it is just sort of like, you know, i think it It gets it gets by just just by you know doing the job fine. I think that's the one standout for me is that scene.
01:09:33
Speaker
Are we ready to score? Oh, Jonathan's talking. No, i didn't have anything to say. was going to ask to see if anyone else any other comments on it. ah yeah Everyone pretty much covered most of the special effects and you nailed on the editing. So I think we're good on scoring, yeah.
01:09:49
Speaker
Did Tim even hear me? I don't know. He he's good on scoring. Okay. Yeah. I can see your mouth moving, but I can't hear what you're saying. I have no, it's so weird. It's so random. It is so random. Uh, I'm a four on editing and special effects because I love the effects of this, but I have to bring it down because of the editing. How about three?
01:10:10
Speaker
Man, I'm a five again. Those special effects and the editing, like with the the caught the outfits falling, the reverse filming of the water in the hot dog kill. just there There was some editing techniques that I did like and the special effects, of course. i think I think special effects really do the heavy lifting here and enough to give it a five for me.
01:10:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, i gave I gave it a five. I mean, my rating scale is all fucked up, so... um I'll give it in four, mostly because of like the practical effects.
01:10:44
Speaker
I give the the cut version a two, just because there wasn't enough effects for me. a And editing, just whatever, it just felt like ah there was nothing special really for what I saw. Yeah.
01:10:57
Speaker
All right. Onto the script. So how how authentic is the dialogue? How well written are the scenes? This one I feel like i'm a little bit more critical than I am with the story, what I like about the story.
01:11:10
Speaker
But I also do feel like we kind of mentioned with the characters, I do feel like these characters are lived in and pretty authentic. to the setting and the environment. I feel like these are young adult 20 somethings who have been working together in the mine and known each other most of their lives.
01:11:29
Speaker
They feel to have that companionship. They seem to have that companionship down through their dialogue. They know this is the cut up. He's going to be cracking jokes. He's not funny, but they act like he is. ah You know, I feel like they do that pretty well. And if anything,
01:11:48
Speaker
If I were to nitpick the script, it is, it doesn't explain, like we've talked about Axel snapping quite as much as we'd like. It doesn't have that buildup to why Axel is doing what he's doing other than we get that quick flashback of, hey, which is just a random kid. That could have been any kid under there because I was also listening for a scene where it explains who Axel's dad was. Did I miss it?
01:12:15
Speaker
in multiple views, do they say early on, like Axel, your dad was the guy who was here 20 years ago? Not that I will. So what they actually do do, and this is why I think the ending was just tacked on last minute, is after the reveal of Axel, I believe it's the sheriff or one of the older characters is like,
01:12:32
Speaker
Oh yeah, that's right. His dad was killed 20 years ago in that massacre. Like no one thought like once this killer was back to actually like, oh shit, that guy whose dad was killed. Maybe we should like pay attention to him. We should check on him. It was so like, that's, and that's goes into the writing of this. What seemed like a reasonable thing to do, right? Yeah. Like the script I think was just like really not good for me. The dialogue's forgettable, the characters weren't developed and it just seemed like, yeah, that's a major plot point that they would have known from the beginning that like that happened. So.
01:13:02
Speaker
That's that's their explanation. They just forgot. Did they talk about it in the junkyard scene? i feel like there might have been a mention of it, but don't quote me on that um about his father.
01:13:17
Speaker
now i need to go back and watch the a little closer where they're making hot dogs that scene yes i i but again i might have added that in in my head but i i thought they did and and since i'm talking i might as well go on so um For me, i didn't really like the dialogue. It was kind of like freshman level for me. I i didn't think it it sounded like the way people should talk. I don't know that the conversations just seems little off for me. So for me, I just took it as, you know, it's it's a slasher film. And ah for me, like you know um I found it very strange and almost a a plot hole that like like all the women would want to go into like these dark, dirty, dangerous minds to party, understand they have to get them there for for basically this action to happen. But for me, it just wasn't even believable or really connected to the characters of the women that they'd want to do something like that. so I was like, why are they even in here right now? So...
01:14:21
Speaker
that that was the only like kind of issue I had with that you're not buying that these towns women are really eager to just have sex in mining carts with blankets laid down I mean you saw I mean they're all wearing white and high heels and they were like dirty and disgusting at like two seconds it didn't seem like the forum when you know they had like a nice cafeteria with different rooms upstairs which seemed like more more of a you know a location better suited for that but I just I didn't believe you know I'm like why especially know the character of of uh Sarah I'm like she just has shown zero interest in the mining life and also and she's like yeah let's go party in the mines and don't I don't know
01:15:06
Speaker
i mean it's I just want to say real quick, Jordan, it's really disappointing that the minecarts in this aren't like Temple of Doom
Minecart Scene and Small-Town Reflection
01:15:12
Speaker
style. you know Yeah. If these were like Temple of Doom carts, I'd be all down for getting it down it though on those at 65 miles per hour. But these things aren't moving, man.
01:15:21
Speaker
They're like small sleds. It's the longest minecart scene ever. It's so long. Yeah, I mean, i personally, and this is just me, I'd have to disagree. i think I'm not talking about the mine cart, by the way.
01:15:38
Speaker
um One, I mean, it's a it's a slasher from 81. So to be so ah to be terribly nitpicky on the script i think is kind of doing a disservice a little bit but with it i think that um what i think the highlights and what love about it it does feel very lived in the characters they've we talked we've already talked about this but they feel very they feel like friends they've been friends for years and as far as the women the way i see it is look this was their livelihood this is how they grew up they grew up around these blue collar type of
01:16:12
Speaker
people like even from the town i'm from it's it's a it's a farming town and lot of the women are like that they're down to you know go out and and ah you know have sex in a cornfield or you know go go go what town is that out road trip sorry if you can write that put it in the chat please go cow tipping no but it's i don't know for me it wasn't more of i want to be in a mine it's more of hey look i'm a little drunk
01:16:48
Speaker
here's my opportunity let's be a little adventurous let's try something new let's go to this mine come on it'll be fun and I get to go with these guys you know that that's how I I see it and i think the biggest kind of catalyst is this is their this was their lives this is they live in a small little very small populated town in Canada called Valentine's Bluff and that's just you know hey that might be what they do for fun might Might be where they like
Character Likability and Script Evaluation
01:17:14
Speaker
to get freaky. i'm Who am I to judge? I live in small town Indiana. so It gets freakier when the methane levels start to rise. you know There you go.
01:17:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I think um yeah it's it's kind of like one of those things where I feel like sometimes um it's just it's still, you know, back to, I think, something I said earlier, just it's delivering on what I needed to. I have i have fun with these characters and I don't want to like them too much to like where I'm like upset when somebody dies. But at the same time, you know, you you at least you at least want to believe, you know, that these could be real people and they feel real enough to me. I mean, maybe not the most real. And I think the acting is pretty.
01:18:07
Speaker
Pretty not good, but I mean, they're you know, they felt good enough that I can kind of like hang out with them for 90 minutes. Yeah.
01:18:16
Speaker
All right. We ready to score this one.
01:18:20
Speaker
yeah i am a three oh script i'm a four on the script i'm a four on the script i'm a three i don't even know what i put hold on let me pull it up let me pull it up i think i give it a five i did what the hell you know look like i said i'm going at this at this angle like it's an 80 slasher so i'm not i'm not gonna you know hold it hold the script up to try and win an oscar or anything like that for best writing but I like I kind of made i felt like I argued my point was I think the town itself is such it's written so well the the lived in town the characters their their interactions with each other I really love um so yeah my opinion for what it's worth
01:19:09
Speaker
yeah I mean, I gave it a four, but I do want to say my four for this movie script is very different from my, you know, Ari Aster five. You know, these are very different high end scores. It comes with caveats.
01:19:23
Speaker
It comes with many caveats. that's I give it a three. That's average. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I think you all are being really generous. i get He's like, the hell with this movie. and like I mean, look, I guess if you compare it to like Friday the 13th, it's like basically the same script. Like, okay, fine. But like,
01:19:43
Speaker
To me, for me to give a movie a high score and a script, it's got to be well-written. It's got a great dialogue. It's got to have good characters that are believable. I don't know you said they feel lived in. they felt Everybody felt completely interchangeable to me. I feel like it was sloppy storytelling. Again, I give it a one. And again, I'm not expecting a slasher movie from 1981 to be a five. like i'm not That's not what I'm looking for. But if I'm going to grade a movie on on writing, like it needs to be something I'm going to remember. And I'm not going to remember this story. So for me, it's a one.
Acting Performances and Quirks
01:20:13
Speaker
Okay. All right. Was that everyone?
01:20:19
Speaker
I didn't hear Jonathan's. That's fine. So onto the acting. I thought that was a three Tim. I guess you are mute Jonathan. Yeah. If I could selectively mute, I can't though.
01:20:31
Speaker
Acting. and That's acting. They did fine with what they had there. That's I don't have a ton to say about the acting other than my favorite character whose performance ah is the sheriff who always shows up with a pipe that's not lit in every scene just hanging. in his hand, in his mouth. I'm like, I want to be that guy when I'm 70. But that's it.
01:20:55
Speaker
pe I just want to get riffed, but I keep getting interrupted with the shit. Peak acting in this movie is pulling a human heart out of the hot dog water and going, oh, what? a They're just joking. All right. so And the guy opening the fridge at the same time and missing the body sitting at the bottom because of the heart in the hot dog water? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, wasn't it Axel that was opening the fridge, grabbing the beer? So he was able to ignore it since he killed the guy. What?
01:21:24
Speaker
Oh, I tried to watch to see if that was Axel. I don't know if it was. I i thought that was Axel that opened up the fridge when they were doing all that. He's like, oh, I've got to put that in there. Oh, hey, there it is. yeah think it It was okay. I mean, what I don't think it was the worst acting in the world. i got to give them ah give kudos to the Canadian accents. that That's worth something, I think, with the with the the acting.
01:21:52
Speaker
It's a pure Nova Scotia. Yeah, it's one of those movies where like all of this, all of the characters that maybe only get one line of dialogue or one scene, like, you know, the the side characters almost feel like they're doing better acting than your main characters are. It's like just needs a little like the dog that runs out, you know, in front of the in front of ah the truck. You're like, he's doing a great job. He doesn't get hit. yeah Kudos to him. That looks really authentic. Like that was just in the neighborhood as they were filming. and it came out and chased the car yeah it's the same with the dogs eating the heart off the step later i'm like those dogs look mangy like they set stuff out and then they're like oh shoot their dogs their coyotes getting into it let's film this this is great like yeah they look natural they did not look like trained
01:22:41
Speaker
movie dogs at all. I will say that she's how good they're acting is. Yeah, the dog is in the sand out. I'm terrible with names to forgive me. The the couple of, you know, the woman who dies in the shower when they get when he gets to the party, he picks her up by her head and gives her a kiss.
01:22:59
Speaker
And that is wild work. Like I have never my wife is very short. I've never been like, oh, let me grab your skull and lift you to my current height. It's foreshadowing for when she gets impaled on the shower. yeah oh okay all right no i i saw that scene and i was like damn that's gotta a hurt i don't like that doesn't sound fun to me that's a weird kind of kink it puts her down her neck like all
01:23:31
Speaker
all right we don't have a lot to say on the acting I thought Mabel was a little overplayed and during her death. How dare you? will dare. dare. Get away. thought she was overplayed on her whole thing. Like you you're scrambling, but you know, fumbling. And then like you're you're almost like you could have run out the back door, but you are so slow that he grabs you, pulls you back. And then you still roll around. oh I thought her whole shtick was little over top for getting murdered. don't know.
01:23:58
Speaker
That's me I really liked her performance in the dryer, though. That was brilliant. work That was good. I give the acting a three, three. Yeah, I gave it a four.
01:24:12
Speaker
I gave it a three and I also want to give a three to the dryer who for my clothes, if I put a blanket in there that's a little too wet, it shuts itself off and these dryers can supply a full body and never shut off until open. Hey, these are industrial. They ran all night long, bro. Come on, those things were good. Run in. You need to give me some of those. The dryers in a mining town are built different. Yeah,
Direction and Practical Effects
01:24:39
Speaker
they have to be. Yeah.
01:24:42
Speaker
uh I I gave it a three basically unknown cast they got through it you know it's it's pretty good I guess for you know for who they were and at the time so just a three Yeah, I mean, um I think I was the most generous with the acting. I gave it a three also. To me, like there wasn't bad acting in it. Like there was nobody that was annoying where I'm like, oh my God, this is like cringy. It was just regular. So I feel like everybody did as good a job as they could have with the script they had. So it was fine. Well, think the bartender, his whole rhyming scheme telling the story was little annoying, but that's just me.
01:25:15
Speaker
Does anyone know his name? Does anyone know his name? No. Was it the Happy? it's Yeah, Happy, I think his name was. Yeah. All right, onto the direction. So this one is tough and I this one is tough because of the theatrical version would drastically change my score of this film. But seeing the uncut version of this, I really like a lot of the build up to some of the kills I mentioned.
01:25:44
Speaker
I think from a director standpoint, oh, oh, yes. Check my notes and remind what I wrote down. um this does something that i love in horror movies and that is using brightly lit scenes for character moments it's not gloomy we see them in brightly lit bars we see them at the dance studio hall before when they're decorating it's brightly lit it's fun it looks like it could be a
01:26:18
Speaker
low budget rom-com from the 80s for a good chunk of the film we see them walking down the street of the town decorated to the rafters with valentine's decorations that i love that setting of the scene and setting of the area i hate horror movies the 2000s was not notoriously bad for this where it's just gray and dark the whole time i hate that so i love that this movie starts us off with some brightly lit character moments before we descend into the minds and things get dark and i feel that reflects the story as well so i really like that from george i love the way he chose to do that setting up our characters and making it feel
01:27:10
Speaker
I guess it feels more natural when i don't know. I don't step outside every day and it's dark and gloomy all the time. So when the sun is shining in a horror movie, it feels I notice it and I appreciate it because the sun shines in real life. I hate when it's constantly gloomy and horror movies. So I really appreciate that aspect of it. I like the town feeling very lived in very, it feels like an authentic small town, which it was.
01:27:39
Speaker
So I like that he chose to show that before we get into the mines and the killing and all of that. And I also think ah finding, i forgot her name. We were just talking about it at the old lady in it will Mabel, finding her in the dryer during the day daylight. He emphasizes the smell.
01:28:02
Speaker
in that scene he has the actors all so initially the sheriff and then later when the others show up someone comments on the smell or they're holding their nose or something i like yeah that would smell pretty i don't know if it smelled good i assume it would smell bad but i like the smell of cooking meat but i don't know how that applies to this situation uh so but they're You know, he's holding his nose as he opens the dryer and there's smoke coming out. And that's ah just a little detail that I like that the hawk up brought out. You know, he made sure, hey, this is probably going to smell terrible, so be sure to get that in there. So I appreciate those elements of it.
01:28:45
Speaker
I again, like I said at the beginning, I do think we could shave time off of that. Leave in the the kills, leave in all of those scenes. shave off some of that chase through the mine at the end. That just for me, that kills so much of the suspense that's built because they just keep going and going and going. And then they go up a ladder and then they come back down that ladder and then they go another direction. and like, come on. So that's that's my biggest complaint.
01:29:16
Speaker
Yeah, we call that final girl fatigue on our heads. That's what we call it because it ruins a lot of films. And I think um this was in the 80s, but honestly, I think films now are going even longer.
01:29:30
Speaker
So, my god ah oh, you got to Sorry to interrupt. Good. No, yeah I was going to say Christmas. Bloody Christmas was like the worst at that. The the final girl goes through like seven scenes of trying to fight this thing. And by I'm like, I just hope she fucking dies by now. I'm just like, you know, all right.
01:29:48
Speaker
Exactly. You can go on so long. You ruin the goodwill that you built. And now you we're rooting for the killer to take out our character. Like, all right. Yeah. yeah I mean, I think this movie is fine. I believe.
01:29:58
Speaker
I think his name was Robbie or Rodney Gibbons. He was a cinematographer here, and this is still kind of the era. I i think pretty much mostly slashes look like TV movies. It's a lot of just like coverage.
01:30:12
Speaker
you know, basic coverage there. There is some interesting like I think shooting there has to be a good relationship between the director and your makeup effects artists on how to shoot the effects. And I think that that's where this movie shines the most is how it shoots the effects like you should. You just showed the eyeball scene with happy.
01:30:29
Speaker
when the camera is panning down and supposed to be POV and the headlamp is shining really bright on. I think it's a cool just you know change up on the visual of the scene. um i do think the latter ah scene was cool because it was actually laid flat.
01:30:44
Speaker
So the camera is shooting underneath on a track shooting it. So the latter they were actually crawling. What would would this be called? like immediately Yeah, horizontal to the floor. They were walking. They were walking on the ladder that way. um So I thought there you know there was some cool stuff that they did as far as just production-wise, but um it's directed just fine. I mean, it gets through. It's not as flashy as the remake, clearly. I think Patrick Lussier really...
01:31:11
Speaker
Took it up to a next level and really bringing in CGI and just cooler modern day digital tricks for that. um But, it you know, it gets along just fine. It's just as well shot as any 80s TV movie you're going to find.
01:31:24
Speaker
Yeah, just to just to agree with you, Chris, right there. So there are a couple of things I did i did that I really like. I like the the scene with Mabel where it's dark and the only thing you see is the light on her face from his helmet. That's cool. The scene we referenced earlier where the the uniforms are dropping and the woman's panicking, that was shot really well. But other than that, it does feel like they set up a camera, hit record, set action, hit stop. like That was kind of what most of this movie is. like There's not a lot of...
01:31:49
Speaker
techniques or anything like that, that at least in the theatrical version where you really notice like, oh, this is really artistic or different, or it just, it does feel like a TV movie feels very similar to so many other, other things. So there's nothing special about it to me, but it's serviceable. It's not like it's poorly directed.
Cultural Impact and Cult Status
01:32:07
Speaker
Yep.
01:32:11
Speaker
Yeah, I thought they did some cool stuff, you know, just from like some of those first person kind of angles. Kind of just echoing again, like Chris and Tim said, you know, look cool at at times. ah Yeah, I did like the atmosphere. i did like a lot the atmosphere. I did i did think they they built that really well and and make it feel like a gritty kind of small town. um Yeah, but ah average again for me. Yeah, i think I mean, even in interviews, like there's ah there's an interview with George Mahalka on the Screen Factory release where
01:32:48
Speaker
He talks about how you know he watched Halloween and he's like, oh, I think that POV thing is really cool. So he just did that. So there wasn't i feel like there was a lot of like internal influence to make a good horror movie. It was more of like when he was approached, he had never done a horror movie. And there was actually a really funny quote with him where he's talking about with the producer.
01:33:06
Speaker
And because I think the only film he directed before this was a comedy and the producer came to him was like, hey, we have this spec script for a horror movie. And George Mahalka said, well, I've never made a horror movie. and And the producer said, well, you you never made a comedy before you made your last movie. So So it just kind of feels like he was tossed in as just kind of like your basic like run and gun director and he was able to serviceably, you know, get it done. It actually feels like I think this is a good example of how the people you surround yourself with can elevate. I think the production designer
01:33:37
Speaker
theirre their Their visual aesthetic they put on the town, i think, made it very convincing and real. I do love the paper hearts everywhere in the laundromat. The real life setting of the mine kind of, i think, drives up the visual appeal of it just because naturally they look so cool.
01:33:53
Speaker
um So I think for as as you know standard a director as he can be, I think some of the people on the crew around him sort of elevated his work a little bit by just doing cool stuff with what they do.
01:34:06
Speaker
i really appreciate you mentioned the paper hearts around the town i love that axel took the time in the laundromat to after he stuffed mabel in the dryer he went around and turned all the hearts upside down that was that was nice little nice little touch yeah yeah
01:34:26
Speaker
all right direction i give it a three three I gave this one a four. I enjoyed it. I think the set design is really what stands out for this.
01:34:39
Speaker
Yeah. I gave it a four. I give it three. I give it two. I give him credit for shooting half the movie in a mine, but like someone said, there's nothing unique about this as to direction. It's basically they took elements from a couple of this Halloween, Friday the 13th, the movies that they were ripping off and then just duplicated them a little bit. So nothing special for me. wasn't bad, but like, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call him a good director or average director for that matter. He got through it.
01:35:07
Speaker
All right. So was that everyone? yeah all right the it factor the cultural significance of this one so i mentioned at the beginning that this is perfect time to talk about the theatrical release of this film and it being so chopped up by the mpa wanting out those nine minutes that it did affect how this movie did it had an impact on it and it had an impact on the legacy and why we probably didn't get to see that sequel
01:35:41
Speaker
made is because it wasn't as well received at the time it was released i think we with the benefit of hindsight and getting to see the uncut version of this film 30 years after it's released i think we can appreciate the film a lot more i've seen i've seen more people talking about this film now in the last couple years than i did 10 years ago you know i see more love for this movie now
01:36:13
Speaker
than I did 10 years ago. So I think it's it has a bit of that cult status in it that came later. And I think it came with that uncut release of the film. I don't know that if the theatrical version was the only version we got, many people would love this film.
01:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, i I agree with you wholeheartedly. um Culturally, and the impact, the MPAA, yes, they did a disservice. And that's part of, I think, what gave this such cultural impact. You have to look at it like you perfectly put.
01:36:49
Speaker
It came out and it was a very, it was dumbed down. It was just cut every which way. And we compare it to that. It completely shifts people's opinion on the film for the most part. And I think culturally that's, that's pretty significant in my opinion. Plus being a Canadian slasher film. I mean, that, that wasn't really, I guess Canadian as in that's like the the main anchor of the story is how Canadian it is. And that was pretty. ah As in it actually takes place in Canada. Yeah.
01:37:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, i don't know. i think I don't know how many people you're going to get outside of horror fans are going to know the movie. I think a lot of people will know the title thanks to the band and, you know, the multiple songs. I mean, what machine can Kelly just had a single my buddy Valentine, what, like four or five years ago?
01:37:41
Speaker
You know, like, I think the title is out there and people know it. And I tried to look up like if that was a term like a coin term before this and it wasn't. um They really credit the band with it. And then the band is like, hey, this comes from a movie that came two years before us. um But I think within the horror community, this one is is is widely respected, I think, but mostly for it's the effects and the impact of the effects and that conversation. The I believe the uncut version came out in 2019. I think or was when the Screen Factory Blu-ray came out.
01:38:17
Speaker
And that was when the first time ever it was fully restored. um So I think that's your kicking off point for its second life. um I think now it's highly regarded as a as a cult slasher film and especially for how early it does kind of arrive in the boom and kind of yeah always gets hidden in that Friday the 13th Halloween.
01:38:40
Speaker
um Because I think overall, I think it's a really cool movie. And I think, you know, Tarantino coming out saying it's his favorite slasher of all time is i i i have no I can't really argue with him. It's a lot of fun. i think it, you know, it it deserves to be watched in this form. You know, I almost wish like everybody who saw this theatrically.
01:39:03
Speaker
40 years ago, I almost wish we could like force them to watch it again you know against their will and see if it changes for them. but I will say it's probably one of the greatest titles for a horror movie. It's a title's brilliant. and Like you want to see this movie. Like when I hear that title, it's like I want to see what this movie is all about.
Legacy Among Horror Classics
01:39:21
Speaker
And the movie, when it did release, it was profitable, but it wasn't profitable enough. Like they wanted Friday 13 success. They want a Halloween success. And it wasn't that it kind of came and went, made its money back, but came and went. And that's why i kind of, to me, when I was kind of reading it factor cultural significance, I was thinking for the time, and kind of when it came out came and went it's just another holiday slasher movie that never spawned a sequel so for me it i would say it had very little however like everybody's saying now that there's an uncut version it's getting cult classic status and maybe for me just because like i didn't really know that i didn't know there was an uncut version i didn't know there was like all this missing to me it doesn't feel significant because again i watched it 20 years ago never wanted to watch it again So you know take whatever I rate this with a grain of salt because i'm looking at it through 1981.
01:40:10
Speaker
nineteen eighty one Not a big deal, not important. Well, what's interesting is that this was originally developed by Canadian Film Development Corporation during the Canucks exploitation, ah kind of like early Canucks exploitation boom. But then two weeks into production, Paramount bought this.
01:40:33
Speaker
And Paramount already had Friday the 13th, right? At this point, right? So Paramount picked this up in some, for some reason, they already had a hit on their hands with Friday the 13th. I guess they thought this could be good, you know, programs programming to go alongside it. And it just, it sucks that the MPAA, that it went through what it did because um I think that ruined a lot of it. But Friday the 13th,
01:40:59
Speaker
you know wasn't as cut wasn't nearly as cut as this and still made the theaters and were successful so i don't know how to really argue that you know here yeah i mean for all we know again they abandoned the marketing on it like you know a million things could have happened in 1981 as to why this wasn't a hit again to me i i need to watch it again and see this this version and see like if i enjoy it more because it does have a lot of flaws um but you know, it's it's a bummer, right? Like it it could have been it could have been another franchise. That's what Paramount wanted. They wanted another franchise and they thought this was it and it just wasn't.
01:41:34
Speaker
Yeah. and that's my- It was profitable that's a big deal. Like the fact that it made its money back, I think the box office did like 8 million or something on a $6 million dollar budget. Pretty significant for for this kind of movie, so.
01:41:45
Speaker
Yeah. i also think well the budget was much higher for this film than it was for friday the 13th too i think that was one of the critiques the studio probably has looking at is like well this costs a lot more and didn't make as much but it did make it back and earn somewhat of a profit Oh, budget was 2.3 million and earned 5.7 million. Okay. So it's still pretty low, but mean, probably 13th probably would cost less as you said, I think Friday the 13th was like 500,000. It was, was real low. Um, but I think it's a shame that we didn't really get sequels. Cause I think the character of Harry warden is fascinating.
01:42:27
Speaker
I I love the costume. I love the mask. The poster is awesome. The original poster is so good. I want to see more of that minor. The pickaxe and the mask is a fantastic costume.
01:42:44
Speaker
I loved it. So and one of the things that I think this movie does better than some other slashers is that i'm calling him Harry. We the character of Harry.
01:42:55
Speaker
I felt stayed like a threat through the third act. He felt intimidating all the way through. Even if I think the third act drags on the chase, when Harry shows up, he's smashing boards, he's beating people down, and TJ fends them off a little bit, but it's not easy. And sometimes I feel like slashers get to the third act, and the person who was the ruthless, efficient killer in acts one and two is suddenly clumsy and being overpowered or you know conveniently not as effective in the third act.
01:43:28
Speaker
But I don't feel like that was the case for Harry. I feel like Harry stayed intimidating through to the end and so i do wish we got more of harry warden i think it's a fascinating character and i think that's the biggest bummer when it comes to this movie is that it wasn't until the 2000s when we got the jensen ackles remake that we got to see more my bloody valentine Yeah, I mean, it depends on kind of like what you prefer. i people like to say that they prefer average like size people as killers in their movies are like, oh, it's realistic. You know, the guy's 180. To me, I think this costume would be terrifying on like a six two you know, Derek Amir's build.
01:44:15
Speaker
I mean, I'm just imagining I'm just imagining someone rounding a corner and just dramatically overpowering somebody in this. So that's kind of like what I like to think the real Harry Warden might be like, you know, just a great big overpowering. It's a very menacing silhouette.
01:44:32
Speaker
I think it's a terrifying idea. The pickaxe is, i think, the most terrifying part of it. um I think that the struggle with a sequel is... I mean, what what happens to the town from here? I mean, there's no way they're just going right back to work in the mines, right? Like, they're theyre they're packing up shop, you know, what do you what are you going to do with it? How do you explore it further? um I don't know. So, I know he was talking about doing a sequel, like, as of the time the interview that I watched, which was, like, 2019. George Mahalka was actively working on a sequel at that point in in development of a sequel, and then it just never...
01:45:12
Speaker
happened. But, you know, as I stare at my mutilator poster on my wall right behind my computer, you know, later two did ah the mutal the mutilator rules and they came back 40 years later and made the mutilator 2, which is a bit a pile of shit. So I'm kind of happy it never kind of happy it never happened. You know, there's like there there is a point where it's like too it's been too long and the charm is gone. And, you know, I think I'm i'm happy it's it's just kind of like a one hit wonder, you know,
01:45:42
Speaker
For me, man, I had a hard time with this part of it because, mean, I'd never really heard of this film until recently, until it's on the list. I've never really heard anybody talk about it. So it's hard to really put much into it.
01:45:55
Speaker
Although, like I said earlier, when and you know we do watch Silent Night, Deadly Night, there's some a similar plot there with you know childhood trauma creeping back up to turn you into a killer as an adult. That kind of thing. Other than that, I don't know. i mean, and like the band, My Bloody Valentine, were they actually named for this movie? Is that like a thing or is that just coincidence? What, the band?
01:46:15
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, the band credits this movie as their name. Yep. Okay, wasn't sure about that. I mean, so that's kind of cool. I can dig that. But other than that, I just don't feel like there's much significance other than being one those early big films and that kind of, don't know. Doesn't have much to say on it.
01:46:31
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's it's really hard to man, because even like yeah i don't even think Friday the 13th, part one or two or three holds as much significance as four and six, you know, like or i think I think Halloween really hit its its peak as far as significance with H2O.
01:46:49
Speaker
You know what i mean? Like, I think some of these sequel or some of these franchises, like they're making money and they're doing well, and then they reach a point where it really hits off. And that's when your majority of people are seeing it at that time. i mean, Halloween is incredibly popular. Halloween H2O, people love to say they like just as much as the original, but that's the scream generation.
01:47:11
Speaker
talking about that. So it's my generation. Yeah, which is which is not like, you know, I like scream. i don't have a problem with scream. But I think the horror was so different than it's taking them and trying to put them in the 80s and understand kind of like where the where the roots were coming from is a little more difficult.
01:47:34
Speaker
All right. So the it factor are scores for that one. ah I'm kind of what Rich was saying. i kind of take the it factor and go to the time of its release. Sometimes I might buffer that if it has a cult following sense. But at the time of its release, I had to go. This movie was a two on the cultural significance and it factor. And that's that's not a critique of the film. It's kind of it could be the marketing, the studio. Like we said, I don't know how this movie was marketed, even though I think the poster is kick ass. I don't.
01:48:08
Speaker
It just didn't have the resonance that so many others had at that time. And I wish I could put my finger on it. I think the MPAA is to blame.
01:48:19
Speaker
And I think that's, that's the main case here, but I'm a two. I also am a two on that eight factor. Wow. Well, no surprise. I did give it a five and it's, it's, a it's almost negatively culturally impacted. You can look at it that way too, because that's significant as well with the MPAA. But I also looked at it as how are we today? Where has it evolved and.
01:48:46
Speaker
you know Within the horror community, it's like Chris said, it's highly regarded within the horror community, especially with that uncut. it's That's why I just think it's, personally, I think it's pretty culturally impactful. And I could see it on both both ways, right negatively and positively.
01:49:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I can understand all all sides of it. i mean, I ended up giving it a five when I'm thinking of 1981. This is one of the titles that comes to mind. And i mean, that could be influenced within the last seven years of having this cut out. But, you know, when when I think of a year, those first five that come to mind to me were the most significant to me looking back. So that's why I rated it and like that.
01:49:33
Speaker
Yeah, i'm I'm rating it a little high. I'm thinking of it now. ah Just thinking of like, so like sorry, last week, ah all through my social media, basically all I saw was like images of this film. Like literally every single person was watching this film. So people are getting into it like now. And I think it has some significance for being like a Valentine's Day holiday horror. And I think they create a really cool killer. So I'm i'm going to say, you know, and it it has a
01:50:03
Speaker
decent it factor just because of that for. Yeah. So like, you know, hearing what Jerry just said would make me maybe bump my rating up a notch.
Personal Enjoyment and Final Scores
01:50:13
Speaker
I did give it lower than everybody else. Like usual on this topic, I gave it a one. And I think because again, at the time it came and went, but the other reason is yes.
01:50:20
Speaker
Like everybody said, the is highly regarded. It is a cult classic, you know, take that as you will, but I've never seen another movie that I felt was influenced by this movie. Now I might be wrong and I'm sure there's some filmmaker that's like, this is the only slasher movie, this is my slasher movie but I've never seen something and it's like, oh, that reminds me of that. Or they definitely seen My Bloody Valentine. Other than the title and it being one of the only movies about Valentine's Day, like there's nothing interesting. If someone else made a really cool like Valentine's Day horror movie, that would be the one we'd be watching every year. But instead, this was the only one, so this is the one we watch.
01:50:56
Speaker
is hard eyes going to replace this? Yes. I liked hard eyes. Believe it or not. That's great. That came out in 1981. Maybe that, you know, I still haven't, I still haven't seen it. I want to see it. I still haven't seen one, but I've heard good things about it.
01:51:10
Speaker
All right. I liked it. Was that everybody? Okay, so final category, this is where you just add a 10. How much do you enjoy this film? This is kind of your final segment. I sent you guys your final scores. So you can drop how much you enjoy this out of 10, what that brings your score to. And our scores, for example, if your score is a 45, that would mean that your personal rating is roughly four and a half stars out of five. That's what you would give it based on what we do here. So if your score is a 32, you might write it down to three stars out of five, so on.
01:51:47
Speaker
But out of 10, how much did you enjoy it? And then end by dropping your total score. So whoever wants to kick this off.
01:51:57
Speaker
I mean, I fucking love this movie. um i I always have a lot of fun with it. It's something that it's a movie that I kind of feel like There are times when I get to introduce people to it who kind of go like, I think I've heard of this before or they've seen the, you know, Jensen Ackles remake and they're like, oh, let me see the original. And I always still end up liking it more than them.
01:52:20
Speaker
um So just on entertainment, pure entertainment, I gave it a 10. My final score was a 44, which I think is pretty, you know, pretty accurate to how I feel about it. Technically, You know, it is what it is. It's stuff that I can ignore. I mean, I've recently with with Valentine's Day, Hard Eyes and X-Ray have kind of become Valentine's Day films that have taken up a little bit more of a spot for me. But just because I feel like I might have overwatched my bloody Valentine in prep for like my own personal work on it.
01:52:48
Speaker
But we'll see what the next couple of years, you know, bring. um Well, I gave it 10. And for me, just because I i'll even i even found myself wanting to watch this outside of Valentine's Day. um I love this movie. I really enjoy the character of Harry Warden. um You know what I was thinking, Tim? You had said it's not really Harry. howy it's It's almost like Ghostface, right? It's not always one particular person. It is just Ghostface. So that's kind of you can look at But anyways, my final score was a 46. So...
01:53:20
Speaker
probably the highest one here but yeah for me it's just I I really really love this movie it is the m main Valentine movie for me um hard eyes is great as well um so is Valentine with uh David Boreanaz but anyway ah um yeah I just this is a movie that I will sometimes watch a couple times a year even outside of a holiday Right on me. I'm a seven. I liked it for what it was. Wasn't anything too over the top. Anything that was like super spectacular. But I liked the the amount of kills that it had, the pace that it went, the story itself and just the characters and the way they all got along, how you know everything worked together.
01:54:06
Speaker
That was cool. So, yeah, seven on intent overall entertainment. But my total score was a 31.
01:54:14
Speaker
All right, Jerry and Rich. Awesome, yeah. So I gave it a six, ah slightly better than average. i did enjoy this film. I think it is a fun watch. It's definitely a fun holiday horror watch. So you know I'd probably keep it seasonal. I'm not sure if I'm gonna watch this 2021.
01:54:33
Speaker
you know july or anything like that but i i think a lot you know i liked a lot of the scenes uh we talked about a lot of them tonight you know especially like those really cool scenes we like those suits falling um the atmosphere i thought was great i love the local bar scenes uh there are a lot of things i like there are many times i kind of did feel like ah like scooby-doo and and i thought that was kind of cool especially like in in in like the mind so the ongoing chase yeah like it just it kind of felt like that if they had a great you know kind of like soundscape in the background today, they they could have really nailed that. But yeah, so I gave I gave it a six. and my overall score is 32. Perfect.
01:55:13
Speaker
perfect Cool. So, I mean, no surprise. I didn't enjoy this movie. I gave it a three. I think even when I rewatch it and see the extra gore, I'll definitely like it better, but I don't think this is ever going to be a movie that hits my rotation. I think there's other movies I would rather watch that are very similar. And I think maybe it's because there was never sequels and I'm not really into the character of the killer.
01:55:34
Speaker
You know, I don't know, but I'd probably go from a three to a five based on the gore, but my final score was 16. Okay. okay And I, I think if we left Friday the 13th with just Friday the 13th, I wouldn't care that much for it.
01:55:49
Speaker
Agreed. say saying So it's my love of the franchise that is seeing Jason over and over again. For me, this film is a regular Valentine's watch. I watch it every February. ah this is it's like outside of what I watch with my wife I don't watch much made in the last 20 years like I watch a lot of older stuff I watch 70s 80s 90s that's what I'm watching and so I go to these movies I go to slasher movies they're kind of a comfort thing I don't expect high art I expect a good time
01:56:28
Speaker
you know so and that's kind kind of where my enjoyment comes this movie's a nine for me i think it drags a little bit in the chase through the mines that's it i love the build-up i think the build-up is great kind of suspense of like we know the killers out there they don't what they're doing is going to lead to a massacre i just wish the chase through the mines didn't go on for a decade but yeah i i really do enjoy this film i do kind of enjoy the uh well i really enjoy the ice nine kill song about this film oh yeah stick take your pick yeah that's an excellent song uh not that that affects the score but i enjoy this film so that's all i have to say on it i am a 9 out 10. my final score is a 35 so sitting at three and a half and i find that that is kind of where i put most slashers that i like because typically i don't think slashers are the best made films
01:57:26
Speaker
but they're fun films. And I think that's kind of a perfect spot for three and a half. I really, i
Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes
01:57:33
Speaker
enjoy this one. So that is all of our final scores. Jonathan, you ready to read us out?
01:57:40
Speaker
I just want to say after all this talk about mines, I think when we're done, I'm going to put on some dwarf metal and listen to some diggy, diggy hole. just see Well, appropriate I should say, since our whole point is the average, averaged our scores, took our six scores, added them up and divided them to see the consensus of us all tonight where we land and we land at a 35 out of 50 which is a three and a half stars total so three and a half stars out of five is where we arrived with our varying opinions And if I wasn't here, it'd probably be a 4.5. I sandbagged you all.
01:58:20
Speaker
I'm the anchor on this show. You're the Alex to my TJ, man. Nice. Well, speaking of sandbagging, the dust has finally settled in the minds of Valentine Bluffs. And looking at the board, man, we are all over the place tonight.
01:58:37
Speaker
I don't think we've had to spread this wide in a long time. It's rare to see a scorecard look this chaotic, but it makes sense. A huge part of that comes down to the history of the film itself. The difference between the 1981 theatrical release and the uncut version we finally got to see 30 years later is it's night and day.
01:58:58
Speaker
It provides two completely different viewing experiences depending on which one you watched or grew up with. But honestly, that's exactly why we do this. Tonight was a perfect example of how we all move ah view movies differently based on our own history, our tastes, and even which version of a film we sit down with.
01:59:16
Speaker
That is what we celebrate here at The Average. We don't need any a unanimous consensus to have a great time. We just need a good conversation. Exactly. The average isn't about everyone agreeing. It's about finding the middle ground between all of our different perspectives. And the conversation tonight was top tier. I want to say massive thank you to our incredible group of panelists, creators, for bringing so many unique angles to the table. Jordan, you can you can say a farewell and where people can find you and all that good stuff.
01:59:45
Speaker
Yeah. Well, guys, thank you so much for having me on. I really did enjoy this. um Yeah. ah Jordan, the movie Den, can find me mainly on YouTube, Instagram, and we just talk mainly horror movies, and we focus it more on the physical media side of things. Coming up next Thursday, I'm actually, Chris is going to be on it with me with one of our good buddies, Stephen, from After Hours. We're going to be joined with a special guest talking about 1983 horror films so um next thursday be there for that but anyways yeah that's that's about all i have thank you for having me on guys awesome thank you so much for being here all right chris
02:00:27
Speaker
Well, first of all, thank you guys for having me on. Thank you guys for the awesome conversation. um I am one half of the Beyond the Blood podcast where we break down genre films based on their audio commentaries. We're part of Someone's Favorite Productions, so you can always find us on any podcast platform that you listen to.
02:00:46
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um You can find me on Instagram at Bearded Film Guy. I'm always just kind of showing off physical media there and talking about movies there. And yeah, Yeah, really about it. um We are dropping our episode next week. We're ah diving into the audio commentary for Event Horizon and talking about talking about that movie and a little bit more in depth and kind of going into some rumors about a possible director's cut that's been found.
02:01:11
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um also tomorrow morning if you're listening to this right now uh we're dropping a new episode style called staff picks where we just get a guest and talk about a movie without all of the extensive research we do for the primary episodes and uh tomorrow's episode is for 1991's popcorn and it's very special for me because my wife is on it with us hey So if you want to hear a less like a deep dive, just a little bit more kind of like loose conversation, that'll be out tomorrow morning.
02:01:41
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Event Horizon is a fun film, whether you're a Warhammer forty k fan who thinks that this is the origin of the warp or if you think it's better than the Hellraiser in space movie, because it's very similar to that. This is pretty centibite at the end. All right. Rich and Jerry.
02:01:59
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Yeah, no, thanks everybody for for having us on. i I really enjoy when I highly dislike a movie to talk to people who really liked it because I love kind of hearing what I might have missed. And I do feel like I learned a bunch of stuff that I'm going to pay attention to for the next go around. So thanks for that conversation. Yeah, you could find us. We have a bob horror podcast. we release episodes every Tuesday. It is called Horror Heads. You could find us wherever podcasts are available on YouTube. We actually have a a special contest going on right now on youtube so you could check that out if you go to our channel like subscribe do all the things and you can find us on instagram at hards podcast but yeah thank you for having us on really appreciate it yeah this is a lot of fun man thanks thanks to everyone on the panel thanks for having us here this this is so much fun and we're happy we finally got to do it so thank you yeah glad you guys could be here truly
02:02:45
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Alright, so we are truly humbled by you guys spending your post Valentine's Hangout time with us. This felt less like a review and more like a horror hangout. Everyone, please make sure you go follow these guys. Their links are in the description. they are doing some of the best work in the community, so make sure you check that out.
02:03:00
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Next week, we're cleaning the soot off of our faces and trading our pickaxes for magic wands. We are kicking off our new Sword and Sorcery series, and we're starting with the 1988 fantasy classic Willow.
02:03:15
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Wow. Hey, yeah. Get ready for some George Lucas produced magic, brownies, and Val Kilmer in his prime. and A little bit of Warwick Davis from Leprechaun. Make sure you head to the link in our bio to submit your scorecards for Willow early, and we'll see you right back here next Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.
02:03:34
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Not next. That's March. Two weeks. yeah Two weeks. Although next Saturday is February's Dread broadcast episode. So you can catch that one. Kelsey, who has been on many Dread broadcasts.
02:03:50
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episodes is joining us for the willow episode and she and i are both reading the novelization because she does a lot of book stuff on hers so we're reading the novelization and going to talk about the differences between the novelization and the film but that's what we have coming up i'm tim
02:04:10
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i'm jonathan this has been the average because at the end of the day the real review happens with your friends good night everybody
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