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10 Jimmy Diresta
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Jimmy was sketching creative project ideas on the walls of his mothers womb, he mastered the bandsaw before beginning kindergarten, and started his Youtube channel before the internet. He is an amazing maker of all skillsets and is widely considered the Godfather of the online maker community.
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00:00:12
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damn Hello and welcome to DigiFabricators, the show where we learn how makers and artists use their computer-driven tools for fun, art, and profit.
00:00:24
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I'm your host, Jeff Stein, aka a weird guy, and with me is my talented but humble co-host, Al Schultz of New York Woodworks. How's it going, Al? It's going great, Jeff. How are you this evening?
00:00:36
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Oh, having a great day. Everything's going well. The weather's nice. We've got a fantastic guest. um We should get at it, right? Yeah, let's get going.
00:00:47
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Who is it? All right. Let me throw in the official disclaimer first here. right, I'll get mouth shut. That's all right. It's not like anybody didn't know anyway. They read the title on the freaking track.
00:01:02
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So even though we pretend to be experts on the internet, I would like to point out that neither of us have any actual training and are just guys winging it in our shops and learning as we go.
00:01:13
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That is true. the advice provided is based on our personal experience and possibly inaccurate assumptions, and it's worth exactly what you pay for it. If listening to this show causes you to take out a loan buy new and expensive digital tools, you may tell your spouse that it was our fault, but do so at your own risk.
00:01:32
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True. So tonight, our guest needs no introduction, but I'm going to do it anyway. This guy has so many skills and accomplishments. I could spend the next 90 minutes just listing them.
00:01:45
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He was sketching creative project ideas on the walls of his mother's womb. He mastered the bandsaw before beginning kindergarten and he started his YouTube channel before the internet. I might have the timeline off a little bit, but that's what the AI told me.
00:02:01
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He's been popular on YouTube, on podcasts, and on several television shows, but he's still one of us and one of the nicest, most generous people you'll ever meet. ah thank you so much. Thank you, Jeff. That was beautiful. Thank you.
00:02:16
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Thank you, sir. You're making me blush. ah Thank you. Did the AI really say that? you No. No, I'm a smartass.
00:02:27
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Yeah. No, no. Thanks for having me. It's good to see you guys. Al I see from time to time when I host a barbecue or two. Al comes across the river, comes and says hello. He's only about 30 miles away. That's right. And i never pass up a barbecue.
00:02:39
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Yeah. no yeah Well, I'd stop him if I wasn't 19 hours away. We never met in person. But I think yeah you came to my attention a few years ago when you were doing like the four-sided CNC stuff.
00:02:52
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And like yeah really getting nuts with that and just making me realize – how shitty I am at the CNC. Thank you. Well, i I aim for inspiring, but I mean... I literally color inside the lines. This is as good as I get on the CNC.
00:03:09
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But people are always like, i'm like, ah three d i Forget it. 3D toolpath. Just keep go to somebody else for that.
00:03:19
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Well, but it does add a whole other dimension to the project. No, no, no, no. It's it's inspiring. ah Every year I say to myself... This is the year I'm going to use, especially with Nick Birchhold. Like every time I see one of his things, I'm like, I take a piece of wood, I hit myself on the forehead with it first.
00:03:35
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And then I say, today's the day or this year's the year. oh my God. Insane. This year is the year i'm going to learn how to use my rotary, my fourth axis. And yeah I fumble my way through a project, break a couple of bits and I go, maybe next year. I'll just wait till next year.
00:03:51
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is your Is your fourth axis as long as your machine or across the end? It's across the end. It's a five feet. Yeah, my my machine is a five by eight, which is an odd size.
00:04:02
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yeah i ah When I made my handshake agreement with ShopBot Tools in 2017, it's been that long, I said, give me a machine and in exchange, I'll just get a lot of exposure and I get a cool machine.
00:04:15
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They gave me the Alpha five by 10, but when they showed up to put it together... I saw them fumbling, making some phone calls. And he's like, we sent the five by eight.
00:04:27
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Is that okay? Or should we just halt this whole process and get, was like, I don't care. This is funny, big enough for me. So that's like my machine is like a weird size. Yeah, i I almost and I wish I had it was only like another grand, but I wish I had Spectrum on in five by eight because five by five.
00:04:47
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ah but burch you know Yeah, that's why I said, you know, when we when we we had a little ah we had a little negotiation about it And i was like, well, I like, you know what I i used i do use five by five Birch. I know.
00:05:00
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Who the hell could pick up a five by 10 sheet of birch at our age? You know, it's going to be impossible. So I said, five by five is is hard enough to pick up because it's just barely our wingspan. It's such a pain in the ass to move them.
00:05:11
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But if it was twice the size, it would be impossible to move. So it's like five by five is good enough. So occasionally the kid that nobody knows Ryan, only a couple of friends that know me up close know Ryan.
00:05:23
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He's been living in my house for about six years. Ryan just rents one of my rooms and he also uses my shop quite a bit. He's very talented artist, designer, but has like no interest in ever being on the internet or being out in front.
00:05:34
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Nice guy. He's helping me design a lot of the interior parts of the graveyard house. He's actually a trained architect. And Ryan is doing a big project with five by five. So this morning I moved a pallet of five by fives one at a time.
00:05:46
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So my shoulders still hurt from picking up the five by five sheets. I just, I just got them on the ground and dragged them across the shop. I had to like stand them up one at a time. Oh, do you have a grabbo? You've got to get a grabbo.
00:05:58
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I do, but it's never, I can never grabbo It's never, it's never where I need to grabbo it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because I went the shop and I was just like, was like, you know what? I don't know if you saw my Instagram stories today where I played with the bandsaw from Harvey Tools.
00:06:14
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I have a little agreement with them. I'm going to show I'm to do a couple of videos on that new bandsaw. And i was like, you know what? I have about a window of about two hours before my next thing because I had to meet somebody. was like, let me make some room, drag the bandsaw into the middle of the room so it has some space around it. That's why i had to move all those plywoods. It wasn't a plan.
00:06:30
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was just an impulse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The car's coming along beautiful too. Thank you. The car is a real fun project. Yeah. I knew there were some hurdles that I personally – I say it all the time on my podcast.
00:06:44
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when When you come to a dead end on any project you do or it lingers unfinished or it lingers like, I really want to do it, but I don't want to do it There's always one thing or two things that that are fucking fuck you up or holding you up.
00:06:59
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There's two things. I'm allowed to curse, right? Yep. Yep. Yeah, so this, because I'll casually curse if i we have just a conversation. yeah It's always something. And to me, when it comes to cars, it's electrical.
00:07:11
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And when I see an old car, I just see an electrical nightmare. like I'm never going to be able to figure out what doesn't work. Yeah, cloth wiring. And so this time, i when I grabbed this car and I took it in, I just said, I'll find somebody. And Keith Drennan is going to help me do the...
00:07:27
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through the wiring. We discussed it. Now Keith's going to be near me. He's going to live near me. So that's going to be great. He's really going to really help with the project. And we got till August. that August at the Black Thorn is going to be the rat rod event.
00:07:39
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Nice. So that I'm giving myself that timeline. But the other day we got the car running. It's on my Instagram story. yeah And we burnt out the coil, which is why we were having a hard time starting it again.
00:07:49
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We had some wires crossed, whatever. But that's always, for me, it's always kind of a ah kick in the gut when it comes to electrical. yeah but But anyway, I've got people smarter than me to figure that out.
00:08:00
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i yeah I quietly, I don't like bothering people that I know are busy, busy. So I don't, I don't, I'm like not knocking it. I would sit outside your shop all day if, you know.
00:08:12
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So I quietly stalk you through Rob. Oh, right on. Yeah, you can over and hang out. I send him forklift pictures every once a while to keep him enticed. And Rob now lives in my neighborhood across the street. Yeah, that's awesome. I'm so happy. He's such a good guy. I remember when you first when he first started hanging out and I was like, this guy's a good guy.
00:08:34
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Yeah, he's a good guy. He told me a funny story the other day, but I'll get to that in a minute. But you tell me, keep talking. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I was just going to say, you like, you you put out these little gems, like, on your podcast and on your stories and stuff like that. And one of the things that you've said to Bob a lot, yeah um I've adopted in my life, and that is, like like, you have to have an idea. Like, you're building a Cadillac. You know what the final picture in your mind is. But you don't have any idea how you're going to get there.
00:09:00
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Right. So just take a bite. just do, I can do this. I can do that. I've got a project. I would like to, I don't think it's going to happen for rat rat's nest this year, but I've, I've got two Volkswagens. I've got a dune buggy project and a, oh and a beetle project.
00:09:15
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Um, and I've been stalking Bob also, but right my, my dune buggy is in complete disarray, but the motor is completely rebuilt sitting on the floor, right under that. tower So it's it's ready to go.
00:09:27
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And, uh, so that like, rather than, I don't know where to start. I said, I'm going rebuild the motor. So now the motor's ready. you know the next yeah The pan is being shortened right now. ah So the next step is to get the bodywork over here so I can start doing fiberglass. It's a 68 or it's a 70 Myers-Manks, Bruce Myers-Manks. Oh, wow.
00:09:47
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du bugy Yeah, Series 1. Oh, wow. See, I don't know much about it, but do you guys... you You guys both know Dave Gagne, who passed away this summer in a motorcycle wreck.
00:09:58
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Yes. Dave's wife has his stuff, and I know she's trying to raise some money, so she has a couple of dune buggies and stuff if you're interested. Oh. Yeah, Dave had dune buggies. yeah he had he had a he Dave had an amazing collection of stuff. He's the that used to have them crazy mini bikes too, right? Yeah, he'd come to the – this year he brought a Cushman.
00:10:19
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And this past year, he bought a Cushman and he has this crazy go-kart that he paid 20 bucks for online and then put it together. And he he just had the – he always looked like he looked like this the character from the wacky packages. He always reminded me of.
00:10:32
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. ah Such a shame. Yeah, it's a sad story. but his I spoke with his wife, Anna Tarr, and she said – We've got a lot of unfinished projects. She goes, it would be an honor if you would take one and finish it. oh wow.
00:10:47
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That'd be amazing. she's really She's really having a hard time, obviously. She posts about it. And, you know, I'm just giving her some space. But every once in a while, I check in with her and I just say, hey, if you need anything from me, I'm here for you.
00:10:58
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Yeah. Are they local? ah He's in Marion, Connecticut. Connecticut. So not too bad. Yeah. ah But anyway, I didn't mean to bring the story down, but there is dune buggy available. yeah rats most of it if i bring a time buggy If I bring a dune bugg another dune buggy home, my wife, I might be i might be at your barn sleeping in that hearse. Just make sure the dune buggy's got comfortable seats in it. Yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah, but it's always one thing that...
00:11:28
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yeah but it's always it's always ah one thing that This is what I say about the car, and I've talked about it on the podcast. With this car, it's such a big project. I'm just going to attack a little bit at time. And thank God for Rob, because I'll leave Rob alone, and I'll come in, and he'll be like, for instance, all the brake lines are wrong. I'm like, what? You did the brake?
00:11:47
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Oh, my God. Oh, I was going to help, you know, but I'm glad that's not. Do you find yourself saying, oh, when I get back, I'm going to do this, knowing that he'll do it while you're gone? Yeah. Well, Rob likes to, to his credit, he likes to tackle the complicated thing.
00:12:03
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He really goes after some of the real complex stuff, like the brake lines. and And I, when he, in the video where he demos how he crushes the tube and does the flare on the tube,
00:12:14
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I didn't know all that. I totally thought it was a different method. i And imp thank thank God he got in front of me. And he's 12 years old. Yeah, I would have fucked up like six connections before I realized I was doing it wrong.
00:12:25
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yeah We would have had to wait on fucking Amazon to send over another roll of fucking tubing. That kid has so much information for somebody so young. He's going to be – Yeah, he's definitely beyond his years. it's It's funny.
00:12:37
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But nowadays we all we all learn on YouTube. So I probably would have done a YouTube search just to make sure I was doing it right before. Like I said, it now with Amazon, it's just it's like I don't have the time to wait 20 hours. I want to do it now you know with Amazon. Yeah.
00:12:53
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And then rob's like but Rob's like, wait, do we need the 360s? Do we need the quarter inch? I'm like, I opened my phone. i'm like, I just ordered three of each. We'll be here a minute. Now we got like 65 extra feet of brake line laying around in like three different sizes.
00:13:07
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and and And I just kept buying fittings. I'm like, there's going to be a moment where we don't have the right fitting. I have like a coffee jar full of fittings, all different shapes, sizes, blocks, connections. And ah in the comparison...
00:13:22
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on the internet it's like a hundred dollars worth of stuff yeah you know like all the brake line stuff the brakes themselves and the and cylinders and all that stuff are expensive yeah i'm getting ready to do all that i gotta go through the brakes on both the buggy and the bug mean and uh and uh yeah so i'll have a bunch of extra stuff too i made a joke i said the car that amazon built because everything just whip open amazon i was looking at me was like That's so crazy. I'm looking at all these specialty shot like speed shops for the radiator.
00:13:53
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I interchangeably use radiator and radiator because as a New Yorker, I don't know which is the right way to say it anymore. So I use both. figure out 50% of the time I'll be right. And I'm looking online. It's like $600, $700 for the right radiator. And and I just went on Amazon and I found one for $200. That'll do.
00:14:11
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I think if you come north of Dutchess County, it's radiator. And you go south of Dutchess County, it's radiator. Yeah. Yeah. Could be. What do you say, Jeff? i I trust the Midwest. I usually call it a radiator.
00:14:23
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But, I mean, i learned I learned radiator in Kentucky area, I think. So, wherever that goes. Yeah. but I trust that better radiator.
00:14:36
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I say, because everyone's saying, well, I'm like the radiator. Everyone's like the radiator.
00:14:42
Speaker
You gonna pack your car? that's some Yeah, that's the Jersey accent there, I think. Yeah. murder
00:14:51
Speaker
So um what's up with the a computerized bandsaw? How computerized is a bandsaw possibly? I mean, you can't see and see that shit, but what I'm going to fight go to find out. I don't know. It tells you the tension and the speed.
00:15:08
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So that's what I think. goes You could dial in the speed on the screen and you could dial in the tension. It would be nice. i don't know if i don't I don't know if or how.
00:15:22
Speaker
I think there's like ah there's like ah a meter. I only saw a quick YouTube video. haven't plugged it in yet. So I only saw a quick woodworking show preview. that that was the only so like I don't think it's even released yet. So I don't even know. I got to double check with them tomorrow.
00:15:36
Speaker
They've reposted my stories and no one's telling me stop talking about it because there is like a release date for this thing. So and they want to coincide with a certain date, which I got to find out what it is. But I think when you tension it up, there's like a green line that like like it tells you the right tension like that.
00:15:53
Speaker
So there's a meter like it's reading. It's just basically what it is, is that red thing that's inside the spring window. Yeah. Yeah. Turned into a computer graphic, basically. and So do you so can you like release tension when you're like when you turn it off? Does it automatically release? tension There is a tension bar that you pull into place just like a typical Laguna or something.
00:16:15
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So it's still the same it's still the same thing. It's just reading the gauge for you. I don't know, but it would be nice if you could put a metal blade on this thing and dial it all the way down to certain speed. Oh, like a speed control?
00:16:26
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Yeah. Yeah. I'll find out. I don't know. But I don't really have a good, besides the big giant bandsaws that I use, I don't have like and don't have a bandsaw that's really dedicated for resawing.
00:16:40
Speaker
And those i just I'll just eyeball a resaw, but I'm not going for like any veneers or anything. Yeah. And for this saw, it's so dialed in. It's got such a beautiful fence system and guide system.
00:16:52
Speaker
For those, I might i might just dedicate – ultimately, after I do this demo with it, I might just dedicate it just to like sawing veneers and stuff. Yeah. a good such A good setup. I mean, you know. You've got 30.
00:17:04
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You can dedicate a bandsaw to any one specific task you might ever have when you've got 30 of them, right? Yeah. Yeah. I was clearing out my dad. My dad died about a year ago.
00:17:16
Speaker
We're clearing his house out. He's got like eight bands in the basement. my God. And my sister's, my my brother, my my cousin lives in Dubai. He's like, we have to give John the good band. So I was like, that's fine.
00:17:28
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if nobody If everything says, oh, once the dust settles, I'll take whatever's still left, which will probably be seven.
00:17:36
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After John, my cousin John takes Well, if you think of it, give me a call. I i might take one off your hand. All right. I'll see. Honestly, I mean, if you've got I've been taking stuff from my dad's house because it's says stuff that I don't need.
00:17:50
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yeah I just don't want to see going to dumpsters. So we're going have at the Blackthorn, to have a sale on and August 8th, the weekend of August 8th, 9th and 10th, I think. And I'll bring some stuff there, even just to give it away.
00:18:01
Speaker
i've got a yeah I've got the little Rycon like Dave Picciotto has. The little nine inch jobby, which is, it's nice for quick cut. And then I've got an 18 inch jet that I've got set up for resawing. So I could use like a 14 inch everyday curve, you know.
00:18:17
Speaker
Oh yeah. If you, I set you up. I got, I got one in the house now. i The funny thing when I got that Rycon and i was like, Oh, this would be good for doing demos. And I bought it. I brought it to do a demo at Filson one year. This is like seven years ago.
00:18:31
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When I was done with it, as I said, who in the audience wants this band so i don't feel like taking it home? It's such a piece of garbage. Well, I don't want to say it now, but my Rikon, it came from Vincent. I gave mine to JT, TJ, JT, Johnny Trimbroukas.
00:18:51
Speaker
He does a lot of the Japanese screens. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Johnny. I gave it to Johnny, and he took it home and used it. But, mean, for him, that was just the beginning of his woodworking experience. a tiny, tiny blade, it's a perfect – and just a quick walk over and zip, you know, but to work on it all day, every day, no, I wouldn't want I was trying to sculpt the handle of an axe in person as demo. He really did something way underpowered for that.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. probably not got the balls for that. No, was trying to tell jokes. I think it's like a third horse. There's a debate about how good a tool is, and it really has a lot to do with what your expectations are and what you plan on doing with it.
00:19:35
Speaker
If you want to shape an axe handle, you better have something that's got 220 volts and big-ass on versus... big ass motor on it versus you know if If I want to cut a piece of plywood in half with a curved line, it's fine.
00:19:52
Speaker
Because I've got the same little Rikon. It works fine for me because I don't try to do big projects with it. I don't do anything ambitious. It's like it is is a detailing tool. You can't do roughing with a detailing tool is what you're trying to It's fault.
00:20:06
Speaker
I always assume that everything will be fine as long as there's a brand new sharp blade on it. which is right not the case because you need a certain, know, what is it? The speed is like or feet per second, horsepower, the power behind.
00:20:19
Speaker
It hasn't got the horsepower to do your kinds of fun. No. And that's why years ago, about five years ago, I made a dedicated, i talked about it on the Fitsall. I want tools that I'd rather the tool rip my finger off in the unlikely chance it's going to pull my hand off.
00:20:33
Speaker
I'd rather that than spend lifetime of, the machine to catch up to my no stalling no so machines that stall like drive me crazy like i said i'd rather rip my hand off than stall yeah actually i think stalling is more dangerous and i'm just saying like when you like stick something in sauna it just goes yeah yeah and then you hear click you hear the motor click off because you know that's done in react fast enough that tool's done my the table saw that coincidentally that i ended up cutting my pinky off with
00:21:06
Speaker
You see the scar here. I got like a weird shaped pinky. That table saw was probably like a one and a half horsepower Delta panel saw, which was old, probably from 1960s.
00:21:19
Speaker
yeah And I'd run the hell out of that thing until every once in a while i would just go, you know, you have a click remote or the overheat. And now I get the seven and a half horsepower.
00:21:33
Speaker
uh saw stop it is hard as i push into that thing it does not stall i've never never got it to the area with seven and a half horsepower you could probably cut cinder blocks with it yeah three phase too two three phase so yeah i had 1970 delta rockwell three horse and zero that saw scared the hell out of me zero safety features and like you said two inch rock maple and just as hard as you can push it through, it would do it.
00:22:02
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Take it. Yeah. And now I've got the three horse saw stop and I've never stopped it, but it's powerful it yeah it doesn't feel like the same three horses that Delta had. Oh really? See, I got that too. I have, i have the three in the and the seven.
00:22:16
Speaker
They sent me one of each. and I've never, I've never stopped it, but it's just like, it just doesn't feel. and i think I've stopped it a couple of times. Just like really jamming like hard maple through it.
00:22:27
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And one time I actually set the brake off. I mean, I've set the brake off on my skin a couple times, but I set the brake off just like pushing hard on it. And for some reason it just set the brake off. i don't know why. There was no wetness or nails or anything, but it was just like, it just like basically like it needed a break. It was like, I need a break.
00:22:45
Speaker
I need like 20 minute break while you change the brake and the blade. Does that scare the hell out you? I've never tripped mine yet. is that I've tripped mine like six times, like three times with my skin.
00:22:58
Speaker
Oh my God. yeah I got to slow down. Well, you know, you got to keep all nine and a half of those fingers you got left. yeah well i I trim mine off with a track saw.
00:23:12
Speaker
How'd you you can see the i just do that with a track saw? it's like i was i had a I was building, i got a job, but I had to build 15 maple tables. So I just like you know ah glued the tops up, threw them on a CNC, flattened them.
00:23:28
Speaker
you know, just to mass produce. So I've got a bad back. So when the guys came in, I had a landscape company. So when the guys come in in the morning, they would help me flip the table and then I would flatten that side. And then when they came in at lunch, they'd put another blank up there for me.
00:23:43
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And I was in a hurry, not paying attention. And I needed to trim the end of the table off before they flipped it. And I'm trimming like a half an inch off and just trim it along. And I'm like, oh that's going to fall on the floor and just reached in to grab the off cut.
00:23:56
Speaker
And grabbed the bottom of the blade. Yeah. yeah Took the end of that finger off. That finger left and broke this finger. yeah admit It wrecked me. And I had a... You finish and I'll tell you funny story. My my surgeon, late we went to the ER. They just...
00:24:15
Speaker
I get to the yard, most beautiful young little doctor, so cute, and she was so sweet. She goes, so well, let's see what we got here. And she goes, so where's the rest of your finger? And I was like, what do you mean? And she goes, you're missing some. oh't even I didn't even know it was gone. Three quarters of an inch of my finger was gone. Oh, because you just like wrapped it and held it. Oh, I just grabbed it. and and just I was i was in you know trauma mode.
00:24:37
Speaker
And then later that... later Later that afternoon, i was in surgery, and when we were done, the doctor came in and said, man, that looked good. He goes, you got a really good saw.
00:24:48
Speaker
And I was like, what? He goes, yeah do you have a new blade or a new, is that a, is that a quality saw? And I'm like, it's, it's a festival track saw. And he goes, yeah. He goes, if that had been like a black and Decker skill or something, he goes, usually hands that come in from skill saws are just mangled because they get pulled into the, you know, they get just mangled up. he goes, that saw cut your finger so clean. Yeah.
00:25:13
Speaker
Mine actually looks like they said – There's a special commercial for you right there. It's so sharp it will take your fingers right the fuck off. You can see mine. The blade went halfway through the bone and then the rest of the bone just broke because it not it was like no support. Not a left hand, yeah.
00:25:28
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Yeah, so you could see like a clean cut and then from there out it's just like broken parts. It looks kind of like a chopstick. Yeah, that's what the tip looked like, ah like a Bugs Bunny cigar cartoon. The doctor told me bones –
00:25:42
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don't necessarily clean cut usually. like Most of the time they kind of splinter like if you try to snap a bamboo stick. you said That's kind of what the bones do. yeah But this is the funny story I was going to tell you. My dad's friend, I lived on my dad's block 20 years ago, was cutting a piece of wood through crummy table saw.
00:26:00
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And as it rode up over the blade, he pushed it down right over the blade. Because he couldn't see the blade. like The blade disappeared, so he went to push down. And the the curve of the blade deepest was right through his two middle fingers.
00:26:16
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ah so So the deepest, most damage was right through his two middle fingers. The doctor splintered them with steel pins and his hand was all wrapped up. Saved him?
00:26:27
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Yeah, don I saved him. I met the guy, his hand's like shaking a like ah shaking a woolly mitt. ah but the doctor said don't work and he don't do anything so he was trying to hang a picture for his wife like a week later and the screw gun got wrapped up in his bandage and yanked the pins i know can you believe it i met the guy i met the guy that year after that he was my dad's neighbor down the street like my dad was that's the guy with the bad hand and then one day we went in and said hi and
00:26:59
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I shook his hand and and I knew his hand had been damaged by the saw. And his hand was, it's you know, obviously like you get a hand injury. It's never the same. Yeah. Like they attach this pinky, but nothing really works.
00:27:10
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No. but and Do you have cold? Oh yeah. It hurts. No circulation. Yep. And they told me, They told me, the doctor said, you got to be careful because you have limited feeling because you're going to hurt it, not know that you hurt it. And you can see there.
00:27:24
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Yep. You see that? That's for me. I'm positioning a sheet of plywood on the CNC machine to bring it back to CNC digital stuff. And I banged the corner of the plywood between my pinky and the rail.
00:27:36
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Yeah. The whole end of the big sheet right there on the tip of my pinky. And was like three hours later. I'm like, why does my pinky hurt me? it have hurt like It didn't hurt when it happened earlier in the day. And I couldn't remember why, it why it hurt.
00:27:50
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Yeah. i was like, Oh yeah. I smashed it on the plywood. Yeah. Mine's the nail is there now. ah Yeah. but little navy part But it was gone.
00:28:01
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The nail was gone. I didn't know this, but your fingernail starts at your first knuckle. Yep. The whole nail bed. And I said, are you, he goes, the nail's going to come back. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. you know i don't want it. It's going to look ugly. You know, he goes,
00:28:15
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you don't want to take it off. You want that nail there for protection. And man, I'm so, cause I hit it on everything. Like you said, you don't, and it's, it's like, I can't feel anything, but if you hit it it fucking hurts like a son of a bitch. I'm missing the part of my fingertip from broken glass.
00:28:31
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jesus When I was 17, I went to grab a bottle and my brother stepped on my hand on top of the bottle. Oh, like it was like when it was happened, it looked like this, like that. And it filled in over time.
00:28:45
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You can see it's missing. over the finger You know, I never hurt myself on anything major. You know, I, I hurt myself on the stupidest shit. I mean, I'm always cautious when I'm using saws and routers and freaking all of that shit.
00:29:00
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I will turn around and bash the back of my hand on a fucking vice. Oh, I've done that. Oh, that I do that shit all the fucking time. I always hurt myself on the dumb shit.
00:29:12
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You want to hear a dumb, a dumb injury I got? This is, 35 years ago i was working in my shop down in in my mother's basement and it was a hot summer day so i had no shoes on and i'm walking around and you know when you like get your pinky toe caught on uh on something yeah do you ever lean like a pile of glass against the wall and you get your pinky toe caught on it when you're walking by at full speed i was afraid to look down i thought my pinky toe was gone gone i was afraid It just gave me a real, and I didn't even need, I didn't go and get stitches, but it just like huge gash in between my pinky toe and the next toe over, just like stubbing it against a piece of glass on the wall.
00:29:52
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And your foot takes nine years to heal. i lived, I lived through that one. that was a tough one. But I really, from the impact, it was really more of like the blunt force trauma of just like banging your foot on piece of furniture, but a naked foot into a pile of glass that was leaning on the wall. And I got a pretty severe cut, but not enough to go to the hospital.
00:30:12
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Ouch. Well, I didn't mean for this to become an injury podcast. I always like talking about cuts. I like hearing other people's injuries. like right Well, I almost had my arm ripped off by a dog, if that helps. Oh, really? sounds Yeah.
00:30:25
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I was 11. Had 175 stitches. Oh, man that's why That's why my arm's all tattooed up, so you don't see the scars. Oh, wow. it oh god Getting a tattoo on a scar must hurt.
00:30:37
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No, can't feel anything. but This whole arm, this is the same with the finger and everything. I can't feel hardly any of this arm. My brother had two Rottweilers when we were living in the city together. We shared the shop and we both had our own apartments right down the block.
00:30:49
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So we were always in the shop. This was in the 90s. And he had two Rottweilers. They both weighed like 100 plus. And i'd walk I occasionally would walk in, even though I hated walking in, because when a rat would run across the street, it They would literally – like I never got pulled over, but i several times I almost did.
00:31:08
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And i would walk them and just the whole entire time just be ready to be yanked over. Like it's no fun. So I was like – I only did it when I had to. i didn't it wasn't fun for me to have rottweilers in Manhattan.
00:31:22
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But it was the closest thing to actually carrying a gun on your hip for my brother. That's why he wanted them.
00:31:28
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Legally. yeah Yeah. Well, yeah they're they're pretty solid protection walking up the street. Yeah. Lower East Side in the 90s and the 80s. Yeah. Rough. Yeah. I got a couple of Mastiffs that would do that job nicely.
00:31:43
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Oh, yeah. There a woman on my block that had two Mastiffs and they were like four feet high. Unbelievable. Yeah. I have little dogs now. If I can't control it with one hand, i don't want nothing to do with it. I like them both. Yeah, the mask lips aren't even my biggest. We got a Great Dane, too.
00:32:03
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That's what bit me. I was mauled by a Great Dane. Really? Yeah. They're usually so goddamn friendly. No, they usually are. Yeah, yeah. It's unfortunate. it was a it Sadly, it was an abused dog, so it wasn't wasn't even really his fault.
00:32:16
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Anybody will snap when you've been abused enough. Sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. I tell anybody that I know, keep your face away from the dog. You don't want to lose a tip your nose. Yep. I can remember, I was young. i was like 11. And I remember when he jumped at me, I put my arm up.
00:32:32
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And all I remember is these giant white triangles like right in front of me. Oh, wow. Like I could just see his teeth. yeah Well, the Dane doesn't have to jump up to get in your face.
00:32:42
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No, no, no. No, not especially not at 11. Exactly. But yeah, it was ah it was a it was a bad time. it was a rough recovery because he he separated this muscle.
00:32:55
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hu I don't even know if it'll show, but you can kind of see the hole. oh yeah. Wow. Yeah. So this muscle split right here and balled up half of it was balled up on my hand and the other half was above my elbow.
00:33:08
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I had to pull all that back. yeah And then his fang had dented my bone. And I, I didn't know this at the time. Well, I don't really understand, but I guess that's like, like bruising your bone is bad.
00:33:24
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You get a bone infection. It caused an infection. It caused an infection. They took all the stitches out, and this this part of it right here just opened back up. Yeah, bone infections don't heal.
00:33:36
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That's the problem. It was three weeks. That would have been the reason why you lost her arm. That's what he said. he we're gonna like It was crazy antibiotics, and he and they were like, if he if this doesn't clean up in like 48 hours. I knew a lot of weird doctor shit and a lot of weird lawyer shit.
00:33:52
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Yeah. Well... But, you I always say I'm not a doctor, but I play one on Instagram.
00:34:02
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No, that's funny. Like, I've gotten a lot of puncture wounds, and my my big concern is getting a puncture wound. It's like, did I just infect my bone? Yeah, yeah. That's, like, more dangerous than the cut itself. Absolutely.
00:34:13
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Because if I just implanted, like, infection into, like, my finger bone, forget it. goes It'll go right through your body. Yeah. yeah Okay. Well, I guess we can shift gears here. How about we... Oh, yeah, wait, wait, wait. This is a digital podcast, think we've done enough pain and misery. Let's let let's go with the Triumph here for once.
00:34:37
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Let's talk about that thing you made for the ah shit the the trade show you just did with the CNC with the lighting and the taxi. Oh, yeah. alexi and That was a fun one. That was a fun one. That was one my favorite projects you've done in the last year or so.
00:34:53
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Oh, thank you so much. that was ah That was a tough one because it was a tight timeline, even though it was for the Consumer Electronics Show. I have ah an agreement now with Eaton. going to be supplying me with electrical supplies for the Great Red House.
00:35:06
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And one of the first projects in our agreement was let's make the sign to bring some awareness for the show. And also you get to show the branding off and have some fun on the CNC machine.
00:35:17
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And the the idea was to CNC close through the material right to the face. And I tried a couple of different cuts until I was about 10, 15, forget how many thou it was from the front.
00:35:33
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But it was so close to the front to get a nice sharp light. It was only a quarter inch plexi. yeah And if I cut, So what is what is a quarter of inches? 0.25, right? So if i I cut down to about 50 or 30 thou from the front, and that's not a lot of room if you don't have a dead flat table.
00:35:57
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So I was afraid that, so and and i I skimmed my table so that it would be clean in preparation for this job. And then I laid the thing down and he like the piece of plexi was like this, and the the circle that I cut is a five foot circle.
00:36:11
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So I had to make sure that the whole five foot circle, or at least the majority of it was flat down. So I'm fast thinking the only thing I could think of was to spray glue it down to the table. Cause I knew the cut was going to take so long. I had to like take a break and do the next and then take a, so I couldn't have the vacuum on the whole time.
00:36:28
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I never actually even turned my vacuum on because it's just too noisy. So I spray glued it. I, I surface the table. So it's dead flat. And then I spray glued my Plexi to the table.
00:36:40
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so that And then I just like slapped it all over the place, make sure that it was nice and choochy down to the piece. And then I ran the CNC and the whole time I was just hoping that when I peel that up, I wasn't going to peel it up and see tissue thin on some of the letters.
00:36:57
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And because, you know, when you do a cut that takes three days. Yeah. but The bit could be working its way out by the time you're all the side. If somebody walks past it and farts, you can mess it up. Yeah. And so there have been times where I'm running a long cut. like like I didn't do it this time, but I kept i actually put a Sharpie line on the on the bit so that I could peek every once in a while to see if it's...
00:37:19
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if it's coming out. Like with the way they paint bus tires with like a little line so they can walk around. How many words are on that thing? That's crazy. though Oh, I don't know. But it was taking so long to cut. i I went on a Sunday afternoon. I said to Rachel, I said, I'm just going to go start this job. I said, I'll be a couple hours. I figured i'd be halfway done with it.
00:37:38
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I was like a third of the, fourth of the way done with it. And I like finished at like three in the morning. I was like, I just kept going. Let me just, I was breaking it into sections. was like, let me just cut that. right, let me just all right, let me go to the next section. Let me go to the next section.
00:37:52
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And every time I started the cut, it was like four hours. You were conservative. The next day I called, I called my guy at ShopBot I was like, is there any way I could speed this up? And he put me through some motions, which you guys probably know better than me. He's like, open up the thing, tap this, tap that. I have it on video. He gave me a video of it.
00:38:10
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And, sure as hell the thing started ripping through it now i'm like am i i've gotten to this far am i going to break it right yeah and i was afraid either that was going to break or the plexi was going to give up a crack because see know how fragile plexi is especially when i give it even six thousand perfor that's what i'm saying you give it like six thousand perforations yeah when i when i went to peel it up i think i was like kind of I think I either blew air under it or I might have had like a long steel ruler or just something so I didn't have to.
00:38:42
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That was my big fear. is Now that it's got all these perfs in it, it's just going to crack right through the middle. Any waving. You had to mount that immediately pretty much. well well I just made sure that every time I moved it, I tried to move it as delicately as possible.
00:38:55
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but Then I started to develop a little confidence in it. Then I glued the other layer on it and that gave it some more thickness. so All the CNC'd areas were now protected by another layer of plexi.
00:39:07
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But because I lit up the whole interior of the sign, I couldn't really put any supports that would not show standoff. Any standoff I put. So basically had this big six-foot circle, five-foot, 60-inch circle, four-inch sides with a back, with a light light light up back.
00:39:27
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And packed it in the crate. And I just said, please don't break. I just said, please don't break. And then... And so I sent it there. So it goes away. It goes it leaves like a month before the show.
00:39:42
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And it goes to some holding cell somewhere in Wisconsin or something. And then it makes its way to Vegas. And then I'm on the plane ride there. And I get a message from Craig. He's like, we opened the sign. And I'm like, the next sentence is in. It's broken.
00:39:58
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That's what I was waiting for. The next sentence was, it looks fine. I was like, okay, good. Thanks for the pause there, man. me That's how I was waiting for it. saw the thought bubble and I'm like, here it comes.
00:40:10
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It's broken. and and then he get I get off my de connecting flight and it says Anytime you leave New York, Albany Airport, you got to stop six times no matter where you're going. Yeah.
00:40:21
Speaker
And you never stop anywhere you need to be. No, no. It's like no I have to make a stop in Chicago for one trip on my way to Vegas. But in a couple months from now, I might need to go to Chicago. It's like, no, you got to go to South Carolina first. You can't go to Chicago anymore. Direct.
00:40:35
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Yeah. you go oh you're go to You got to go to you got to go to South Carolina. You're going to stop in Vegas. Exactly. Right. So anyways, I get off one of my flights scene and then Craig sends me a message. He says, Hey, did you pack the controllers?
00:40:48
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Cause we can't find them. And I was like, somebody's lying to you, dude. I said, I know I packed them. I said, I said, screenshots. of the video that's published that you could see the baggie with things in it.
00:41:00
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And I took pictures. i always take a million pictures, especially when I know other people are going to try and lie. I take a million pictures of the crate, everything. Oh, this is how it showed up. I'm like, oh, that's not how it left. So just want to make sure I cover my ass. see why mean And so I sent i sent ah a snapshot with, of course, with the edited finger draw on it.
00:41:22
Speaker
There it is. circled. There's the... And so I left it on the color blue. So when they plugged in the sign, it was on the color blue, which is their brand. yeah I said, but it was this, you know, this greenwash thing where it was supposed to look like ah an outlet that came off of a leaf or something.
00:41:39
Speaker
And I said, I told them when I said, when I said, go it looks really good and looks the best in green, like happens to be the best color, which is really kind of the message. And he's like, he's like, yeah, they can't find the remote control.
00:41:53
Speaker
And the funny story is that I left the show a day early. So I found the the lights online and I sent him the link. I was like, these are the lights that I bought.
00:42:05
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So if you buy it, I'm sure the remote control will work for this, even though yeah they're all the same frequency. They don't really care. And so he ordered them. They should have showed up while I was still at the show. They didn't. They were a day late.
00:42:17
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And when I left, I got in a cabin. I left the hotel and I drove past the back of the convention center. And there was... what seemed like probably 10,000 crates, including the one that I, I didn't, couldn't pick the one I made out, but it just happened in the cab, just drove around the back of the convention center.
00:42:33
Speaker
And all, all those are the crates. Cause Craig said the crate is gone. It's like, we won't see it until it's time to leave. And, Behind the convention center it was like a graveyard of just like packing crates. And you know they were in there.
00:42:44
Speaker
Yeah, one of them was my crate that I built. Anyway, so the day, the last day that I wasn't at the show, that was, they got the remote and they turned it to green. and He said, you're right, the green is the best. So he sent me picture of he said, green is the best color.
00:42:57
Speaker
So that's the story that sign. I couldn't put any standoffs inside of it. I was just too nervous. So how did you how did you keep the center of it from being like a drum? and and just It was basically a drum. It got some extra tension from the second layer, which I flooded with methylene chloride to glue them together good.
00:43:14
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And then also i just I shipped it standing up like a piece of marble. you know like right When you move a piece of stone, you always have to – or like a countertop. Or glass. Yeah, you always got to kind of keep it upright. So I put all over it upright, keep upright. Yeah.
00:43:29
Speaker
But you don't know. The thing could fall flat on its face on a loading dock from the wing. You got monkey shoveling crates around. yeah Because it was basically the crate was about 10 inches wide by basically 6 feet by 6 feet. So it was like this big odd shape that hopefully it just stood on its end.
00:43:48
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And then what I do is when I make a crate that that's that is that tall and skinny, I always put 2x4s as the feet so that A forklift can get under it or you can put a rollie up.
00:43:59
Speaker
But I also make them a little wider. So if the crate is 10 inches, I make sure the feet are like 13 inches. The two by fours that are the bottom. I always do that. So it gives it just a little. That one inch really save it from tipping over in a certain Hey, that one is helps anywhere.
00:44:15
Speaker
It helps everybody. Some young kid with a forklift and no idea what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You don't know. I got a plan for the lowest common denominator.
00:44:26
Speaker
There's a funny story. When my seven horsepower saw stop showed up when I was up, when I got upstate, I happened to find pictures of it a couple of days ago. I don't know why. The guy goes he goes, hey, I'm over at your shop. i said, I'm working my way over there. I'll be there in a minute. He goes, yeah. go I just took it off the truck. He goes, it looks like somebody poked it with a forklift. He goes, your wheel's broken off and there's big dent in it.
00:44:48
Speaker
He goes, do you still want it? said, no. said, I'll be there. He was describing to me on the phone. and So when I got it, I was pulling up as he was like taking it off the truck. And the wheel, the to turn it up and down, was like shattered off and like hanging. The hoop was like hanging on what was left of And there was like a big, like six inch wide, like flat screwdriver dent right in the side of the cabin.
00:45:15
Speaker
And it looks like it had fallen over and the handles were broke. I was like, nope, send it back. They sent me a new one two weeks later. Wow. Fault with damage.
00:45:27
Speaker
Well, let me, let me change gears. And I, and I think I'm sure this is a question that Jeff wanted to ask, but I'm going to jump right all over them here. you and it's just you are Nice. I knew it. They don't call you the godfather for nothing. as i as i do As I roll into the godfather, everybody everybody knows who Jimmy Durest is. you know Everybody's heard a lot of your stories. and anything but Anybody that's important knows. But you're
00:45:59
Speaker
there there's a time like you're you were joking when we first started, you called you, you referred to yourself as a boomer, you know, yeah but there was a time that you went from routers and screws, screwdrivers and jigsaws and table saws to lasers and not yeah don't not that you don't use that.
00:46:21
Speaker
So how was that transact transition? I'm kind of going through it myself ah as a 50 plus year old getting into digital, you know, So what tools were – I mean we don't need a timeline, but like what were your first – how did you dip your toes into digital creation? tell you. thought I – I know the exact moment. I went to a couple of maker fairs.
00:46:43
Speaker
My first maker fair I guess was in 2011. It was my first maker fair New York. And I started seeing like all the wooden 3D printers that were out there. the bamboo kits. I think, no, in not bamboo. Um, it was that first 3d printer company.
00:46:58
Speaker
Now the guys has failed them. No, there was now he has banter. It was like a huge dude went from like, he went to like a millionaire in like a couple years. can't remember his name. It was Pettis, Pettis, Brie Pettis.
00:47:11
Speaker
Remember Brie Pettis? See, wow you guys, you guys must've got in late. The first couple of make affairs I was at Brie Pettis had a 3d printing company and he's the one who like sold out to some giant company and It was a real big deal. But the first Maker Faire I was at, they were made out of wood.
00:47:27
Speaker
They were laser cut out of wood with a threaded rod that would send the the you know the parts around. So those are the yeah i was at Maker Faire that early where the only 3D printers that were being shown were made out of laser cut wood.
00:47:42
Speaker
That's crazy. And I looked at that and I was like, I'm never going to need that shit. I'm never need that. And then I walk past the epilogue laser thing and I'm like, I'll never be able to afford that shit. And then I walk past like the CNC's and I'm like, I'm never going to need that shit. I know how to use a bandsaw.
00:47:58
Speaker
And so I basically was like, I was ah i was a hand tool snob. primarily because I was jealous. When I look back, I was like, I would love to use a laser. I would love to use a CNC, but I don't think i either could afford it, nor can I have the temperament to learn how to use it.
00:48:14
Speaker
And it wasn't as integral in everybody's day to day as it was, as it as was to become. And so it was around 2012, 2013, maybe like a year and a half, maybe two years later, when I was watching a little kid at the New York Maker Faire Like hit the computer buttons to send the shop bot to go do something.
00:48:34
Speaker
And I was like, that, that kid is like, that's me a scroll saw what we used to call a jigsaw, you know, 1975.
00:48:47
Speaker
He's at a CNC machine like this, like that, like what's it going to be when he's 48 years old? And was like, I was like, I better learn this shit. So around shortly thereafter, i start well went to the to shop bot booth and I was like, how much is that machine? How much is that? It's like the shop bot desktop 18 by 24. They said, oh, it's about six $7,000. And I was like, all right.
00:49:11
Speaker
So I went on, I got home and I called them and I was like, I want to shop bot desktop. And i I had a credit card. I put it on my city bank credit card with the $25,000 limit. So I bought shop bot desktop in 2013. It came May 2013.
00:49:27
Speaker
And the guy calls me. He's up Avenue B. He's like, hey, I'm outside your shop with the delivery from ShopBot. And I would go outside and I go, I don't see you. He goes, yeah, i'm right in front of Ben's Deli. I'm like, that's like two blocks from my shop.
00:49:42
Speaker
he goes well He goes, well, I'm parked if you don't mind. because So I walked up the block to the truck and he opens the back and the ShopBot is on its side and the pallet is here.
00:49:57
Speaker
I go, that doesn't look like it's supposed to be like that. And he goes, I don't know, dude. I just drive the truck. And I go, well, so we flip it onto his pallet and he he puts it on a like a jack and we drag it all the way down because they want to move it. So we dragged it to my shop and he helped me carry it down the stairs.
00:50:18
Speaker
It's heavy. It's really heavy. It's like 180 pounds, maybe 200 pounds. And it sat there in the corner of the shop. i had no idea what to do with it. I didn't have the The faintest idea what to do with it.
00:50:30
Speaker
This is a basement shop. Yep. So that was May, June, July, August, September. Now it's four months later. I still haven't touched it. I don't know what to do with it. yeah I'm lying. i actually i actually started I actually started playing with it. I actually started playing with it right at the end of the summer.
00:50:48
Speaker
And I started figuring out what to do with it. And talk about we were joking about three d cut paths, right? We just joked about that at the beginning of the conversation. I didn't know the difference between a 2D cut path and a 3D cut path.
00:51:01
Speaker
Somehow I accidentally made a three d cut path for my logo and I put a chunk of plastic in there and it would go like this. We go, a very I'm like, Oh, that's pretty cool.
00:51:16
Speaker
And took like two hours to cut them. Like that's a really long time. They cut my logo out, but I cut a chunk of, a chunk of plastic with my logo cut out of the top.
00:51:28
Speaker
but the CNC went up and over and up and over and up and over. And I use like a 16th inch ball mode. So the step over was like, you know, 2%. And you were cutting air.
00:51:39
Speaker
You were cutting of air. Most the time, three d cut paths on a 2d project. Yeah. but yeah I didn't know. Yeah. Cause it was going up and over every letter. Yeah. I didn't know what I was doing. had no idea. And so then this is, this is a really long story, but I'll wrap it up.
00:51:55
Speaker
Um, One day I set a cut path and I hear the thing whining and whining and whining and it's not, it doesn't sound like it's cutting. in fact I come in the room and one of the, the lead screws had broken off right at the motor, <unk> right at the motor So the motor is turning and the lead screw is, was not turning.
00:52:12
Speaker
And I look in and I see it separated right, right where the motor is. those So I, my brain's like, okay, now I'm finally seeing the net result of it being on its side in the back of a truck for who knows how many, how was it was driving? Yeah.
00:52:23
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yeah And, um, So I call up ShopBot and they're like, oh, we'll just send you a new stepper motor with the 24-inch lead screw on it. It shows up and I'm like – I go to be honest. I was a little annoyed with them at this point. And I didn't have any relationship with them. I was just a customer the time.
00:52:40
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was like, frankly, I'm annoyed. I said, you send me this thing. I go, I don't even know how to use this machine. I'm just trying to learn it. And you send me – like there's nobody in the region that you can send over to repair it? I don't know how to repair this thing. like I go, got a $7,000 paperweight. I don't even know what to do with it.
00:52:54
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And they're like, look, you're in New York. We're going to be in New York for the Maker Faire. Just bring your machine and we'll fix it to be there. like And at that time, I was kind of associated with Make Magazine because I was doing videos by them at that point.
00:53:06
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And so I brought the machine to them. They fixed it that morning. They put the new lead screw and everything in place for me. And they ran it all day long just to make sure there was. So they kept using it as one of their testing.
00:53:17
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And I sat down with somebody there and i was like, I go, I have no idea to use this thing. and go I thought I did. I don't know. They're like. Well, what kind of path? do you want to do a 3D cut path or a 2D? I go, I don't even know what that means. So the person opened up VCarve and showed me where you could do a 3D cut path. You do a 2D cut path.
00:53:31
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And I realized how much simpler a cut path could be if you if you didn't need a 3D cut path. And I got about 20-minute education with that person, showed me how to use VCarve, and that got me.
00:53:44
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That literally set me on the path of like, you gave me enough so that now I can go and explore this process. software on my own because I know how to use illustrator, which it's basically a version of illustrator with the cut paths output. it's amazing And then I, realize then i I knew enough. This is the other thing too, is a lot of times people, you got to know when you know enough to understand the education.
00:54:06
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So I didn't know enough to even understand the education I was going to try and get. Like i I hadn't found the beginner video. Like I couldn't find it. I also didn't understand or know enough to be aware of what the beginner video was.
00:54:18
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So when I had that little beginner course with crash course with the person there, I wish I could remember the person's name. ah That gave me the wherewithal to then go start looking on YouTube for, and they have horrible tutorials, ShopBot has horrible tutorials, but it was starting to look up tutorials for- They they all do.
00:54:36
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Yeah, but I was looking at tutorials like like tutorials that like we would make as a community yeah for Vectrex and those type of things. you know those Those are the more, obviously the more informative ones because they answered pointed questions.
00:54:48
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And they had specific things to teach versus like, oh, when you open your shop, you know, there's like a two like two broad. Yeah. But and that's really where it started. And then I then then I then I became dangerous. I knew enough to start experimenting.
00:55:03
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And then the first big job I always do a lot of work for Bullet Bourbon. This is when. forget, this was when Bullet, this was in 2014, Bullet Bourbon had surpassed like 13,000 cases of liquor in a year or something.
00:55:20
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And they wanted me to make a barrel head with the CNC that said, you know, congratulations to the Tom Bullet, the owner, who doesn't own it anymore.
00:55:31
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But, um and I CNC'd a perfect circle out of a barrel head to take ah perfect circle of MDF. And on the MDF, I cut out what but appeared to be a bronze casting.
00:55:44
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yeah But with the right color paints and stuff, it looked just like a bronze casting. looked like a bronze casting plaque just inset right into a barrel head. And I was like, whoa. The cut's like perfect.
00:55:59
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And I did a...
00:56:02
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a pocket cut path between the letters and the edge with a V with a V bit. So it looked really, really pretty. And, uh, it was the very first thing I did. And I charged a couple of thousand dollars for each of them.
00:56:16
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And I was like, I already, like I made like four grand on like my first job. Nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. So and that, and that was, that was the the saga of my 24 by 18 shop bot desktop, which I still have.
00:56:29
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And then I bought another one from Brian Prusa. not Not to be confused with the printing company, but you guys know Brian Prucer? that Yeah, yeah he's on the he's in the community. He lives in Ohio. So Brian sold me his second. So I have two shop-bought desktops, but I obviously made a deal with them in 2018, 2017. They gave me the Alpha.
00:56:49
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ah I became friendly with them, of course, as my my popularity grew. And then I said to them, I go, look, i go I got a new big shop. I'm moving out of the city. If you guys want to give me a big CNC machine, I'd be happy to show it off for you.
00:57:02
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The deal is you give it to me, and what you get is some exposure. Yeah, yeah. And that's – so it was like a two-year deal, and they were going to decide to take it back. They never did, so I still have it.
00:57:13
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Nice. What's the tiny one? I've seen that you had a tiny one too, right? ah That's the ShopBot desktop. Yeah, that's a small one. Yeah. Okay. It's got the blue the blue colors and everything, so it looks – the branding looks similar.
00:57:25
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Yeah. Yeah. I think it's fun the way you've started to use it so much more with the things that you've always been doing. i remember hearing you say something.
00:57:37
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You made that, the, the cabinet for your leather shop, like last summer, fall. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And it's like, You would make something like that five or 10 years ago, and you'd have been running that stuff through the table saw for like six weeks.
00:57:54
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But when made this one last year, you just like CNC'd out all the drawers and the fronts and all the pieces and just started snapping it together. And yeah it's good to see how you fully embraced the yeah things that you can do with that now that you figured out how the Vectrex works, at least.
00:58:15
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Yeah, yeah. And I, I, I'm an idiot when I make boxes, like open-ended boxes, like drawers, for instance, I never put in the wishbones. Is that they're called? Dog bones. I never put the dog bones in because I don't like the way they look like kind of, it kind of exposes you as a CNC artist.
00:58:32
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oh Oh, I always leave it. I always leave them out or the inside corners. yeah Yeah, and so I spend half my time filing off the little sharp corner off of the tongue that goes into it. So I spend like hours like this at the on the vice with nobody looking with a file, just filing over the roundovers on all the things.
00:58:53
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Or I'll use, if I have the time, because you've got to do it, you've got to take several more passes, I'll use an eighth-inch bit on half-inch material. An eighth-inch bit gives you such a small radius, you could kind of mush it together and you don't have to stand there.
00:59:08
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I'll do that too. but But now I might be getting a laser from which I'll be able to cut half-inch plywood. I'm getting an a on one thirty Aon
00:59:20
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CO2 laser. They're a real up-and-coming. If I can laser through half-inch plywood, forget it. I'm going to make a whole new set of drawers. That would be awesome. ahve I've got a four and a half watt diode and it takes me about five minutes and 30 passes to get through an eighth of an inch piece of plywood.
00:59:42
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yeah Yeah. Yeah. Take that thing and throw it in the ocean. Well, I mainly do – I basically use it to to to engrave my logo on the bottom of weird shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.
00:59:57
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That's just for like engraving business cards and stuff. I have the fiber laser. I have 60-wide fiber laser, which I really love. ah when you When you realize how long it takes to really fiber laser metal, you're almost like,
01:00:11
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All right, I don't want to do this anymore. Like when like you see Nick Purchall's, he's doing the the the new axe company he's doing with his buddy. Yeah. And the laser latch is unbelievable. It's like, looks like it's a quarter inch deep. I'm like, dude, that looks insane.
01:00:27
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He's like, oh, yeah, it took 10 hours. I'm like, I'd be afraid to run my laser for that long. i'd be afraid it was going to break. You know? Right. It's going to burn up. But he said, yeah. Yeah.
01:00:38
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But I have laser etched things that do take a considerably long time. Like I'll show you guys. This isn't – this was exclusive 10 minutes ago, but it's not exclusive anymore because they were already doing some PR on it.
01:00:51
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But I did – if anybody follows my Patreon, I was – did you guys happen to see the the cast apples? I showed them on Instagram for a minute. I saw you were making the project.
01:01:02
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yeah Yeah, the cast metal apples with a cohort. Yeah. Carhartt is doing a teacher award for shop teachers. And so they're giving away a steel apple, which is something there. Some ad agency came up with, which is, i thought it was a good idea.
01:01:15
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So I'm making the steel apples and they sent me the rotary. And of course I didn't touch the rotary, but then I had to, because I had to put the logo on this base.
01:01:25
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I'm trying to find a good picture but This isn't the best picture of it, but you could see the Carhartt logo etched into the round rotary. Yeah. yeah And you'll appreciate this, Jeff.
01:01:38
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So the letters on the rotary were stacking up. I was telling the road. I never used the rotary. I plugged it in. I figured to have a time I watched some YouTube videos. And it was this is this the size, the diameter of your material.
01:01:51
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I can't remember the specifics, but something where it's like the diameter your material. And I said the diameter and the letters would all stack up, even though the vectors are in the thing. They're grouped. But it's it's stacking them on top. So the car logo was like all the letters were overlapped. I did, of course, test.
01:02:08
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So I did. I had like one thing that I kept doing tests on and I kept and I thought and I'm like, well, let me see. if Let me tell it. It's it's smaller just to see what happens. And then all of a sudden the letters spread out.
01:02:20
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And I was just doing a ah line cut on a piece of tape just so I could see the spacing. Right. And. I'm like, all right, i'll just I'll just lie to the computer every time and tell it it's a different size. I'll do a couple tests on a piece of tape.
01:02:33
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I lied on my computer all the goddamn time. Yeah, so I just – somehow like a three-and-a-quarter-inch piece of material, if I told it it was two inches, it's the perfect spacing. I don't know why.
01:02:44
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Problem solved. Problem solved, right? There's a mathable. No, no. That's not – There's the right way and then there's whatever the fuck works, man. You got to figure out the degrees. Once you figure the degrees.
01:02:58
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Listen, listen, listen, listen. There's more to the story. So I get on the phone with Aeon Laser the next day. they And they they they like I'm one of their influencers. So they put me right on the phone with the tech. Nice guy. Really nice guy.
01:03:11
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He's like, oh, yeah. He goes, okay, what you got to do is, he goes, go here. He goes, open your case up. I'm like, you mean the fucking computer case? He's like, yeah, yeah, just get a three millimeter fucking hex head. So I take the whole case apart. He's like, now you see the circuit board? I'm like, okay's like, you see the thing? I'm likecha's like, yeah.
01:03:28
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He's like, what does it switch to? Does it switch to A, A, B, B, C, b D, D? He goes, make it B, B, C, A, D, D. I'm like, all right. So I switch it. I'm like, this isn't going to fuck me up. He's like, no, no, no, this is going to make the rotary, right?
01:03:40
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I'm like, right, cool. And then he goes, ah do you have the – we went through a bunch of stuff, a bunch of settings on the rotary thing and the panel and the settings. And he's like, you have the software. I'm like, yeah. He goes, put the thumb drive in. and stick the thing He's like, div but select this, reinstall the software. I'm like, okay, great. 5,400 stops. yeah He goes, try it now.
01:03:59
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So after like 10 minutes of changing shit on the computer and the hardware, I changed it. I'm like, oh, it works. He's like, okay, cool. Then you're all set. I'm like, great, great. It thinks it's a three inch thing. It's laying laying out the logo correctly.
01:04:12
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And so, I get confirmation that the job, they like everything. Okay, we're going to do five. This is just the test one. So now it's like a week later.
01:04:23
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And I go to do like an actual one. And of course, I just don't trust it. I want to test it. So I lay a piece of tape on and do a light line cut. Fucking stacks all the letters on top of one another.
01:04:34
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Because you still have the light information. You have to. Putting the, like literally doing switches inside the circuit board, reinstalling the software. We made a bunch of changes like deep in the software.
01:04:45
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It went right back to the way it was. i just said, fuck it. I went in there. I sold the thing. It was a two inch piece. but Laid it out perfectly. If it works, no yeah don't, don't, don't. If it looks straight, it is.
01:04:58
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There you go. What i understand is have to be did like literally physically did all these different things to get it to be right. It went wrong again. Oh, try these settings. Yeah. It was more than just settings.
01:05:09
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Yeah. it went back, and i was like, whatever. I don't give a shit. The next time I cut, I'm never going to like put someone's logo on a cup or anything. Yeah. That's weird. like I had to go through your story. I'm i'm sitting there shaking my head as you're telling the story, and I'm like, I did I went through the same thing just with a different tech, but mine stayed.
01:05:28
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the only The only thing mine does weird is in Lightburn, I don't know if you use Lightburn or not. Yeah, I use Lightburn. But if if I take ah like if I have a Doresta logo and on my CO2 laser and then I open it and I click it to the Aurora, the fiber laser, it inverts and upside and goes upside down.
01:05:50
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And I'm like, what the? And you got to highlight it, click it. Because I don't know how to do anything except lie to it and flip it around. Yeah. but and i And nobody can tell me. They're like, yeah, that's just way it is.
01:06:03
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I'm like, no. Yeah. But I was just mystified that after all these like radical changes that we did, it went back to the way it was.
01:06:13
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like what i we mess Apparently the switches didn't matter as much as they thought they did. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Is that a a pen body? mean, i know it's a bullet, but are you using it as a pen body or you just decorated No, I just decorated it. I just put We the People on it for this one. Oh, yeah.
01:06:29
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Yeah, that's cool. and did it This was one of them three hours. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's not quite a focus, but I could see how... it's is Medusa? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's crazy.
01:06:40
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Yeah. yeah But... Yeah, that's the other thing. I've got the blue ah fiber laser.
01:06:50
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but I heard your last podcast that you're not a real fan of the blue right now. Which one is the blue? i forgot. ah Oh, Thunder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did I reveal too much on that? Bob and Dave were wincing when I was talking about everybody's name and all the brand deals that didn't go well. You know, um you got to be careful.
01:07:09
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But at the end of the day, you are telling us what to be concerned about yeah as consumers. So, no, I don't think you did but anything wrong. But they were, that well, to to that point, I couldn't get this thing focused, couldn't get it focused, couldn't get it focused.
01:07:24
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And every time you autofocus it, I got to move it like a half an inch before it'll start engraving. And their answer is, oh, just make you ah just make you a focus stick. I'm like, why did I pay for autofocus?
01:07:36
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Well, yeah, it's... Yeah, yeah you can't you can't count on that. I'm like, then why did I pay for it? Does it have the probe that touches? I'm sorry? does it have Does it have the probe that touches the autofocus?
01:07:47
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This a fiber laser. No, yeah it just does it with a little red light thing. oh yeah I get it close, and now I just bump it in with, I made a i mean again well I saw it on online and a few people told me they're like just burn something and just keep changing it until it really starts cooking good and that's the focal length and then make a stick make a story stick know that's ah yeah so so English put a little English on it like you're shooting a rifle ah exactly so just fudge it until it works exactly but yeah do you have I've got the is this your rotary this little guy
01:08:22
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It looks like it's more in line. Like the three-jaw chuck is right behind the motor. Yeah, this one is underneath So I can similar ah can rotate it this way too. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at you, fancy pants. Two ways to fuck up the cut.
01:08:35
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Yeah, oh, definitely. And I've got all kinds of shit to prove. Extra access always good to fuck up extra things. Oh, my God. So during the TV shoot we did the Netflix show,
01:08:47
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I called up shop bottom like, Hey, do you guys want to give us a dedicated machine for the episodes? And they're like, well, I said, do you want to give us a machine for the episodes? Like a four by four or something. And they're like, we have a four by, we have a four by eight. That's all prepped and ready to go to the Vegas show, which would be available for us when your show is over, according to the schedule. Like, so if we leave it to your place for the duration of the shoot and by the end of July, we'll ship it to Vegas. I'm like, that sounds good.
01:09:13
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And they brought over the thing with an automatic tool changer. Talk about any fucking level of complexity to it. I'm like, you know what? Give me the fucking wrenches back. like yeah Really? The automatic tool changer, it's like everything is running into the board. like Aaron, might might be you know Aaron, you met Aaron, right? Aaron is my guy who passed away.
01:09:34
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aaron Aaron figured it all out. I couldn't go near it's It's another level of programming. yeah Probably not that complicated, but when the thing crashed a few times and you know it's supposed to like It's got those V-shaped bit holes. I forget what they called it. Yeah, yeah. Those vac things. Yeah, this was a yeah and we needed an air clean we needed an air compressor always running near it.
01:09:56
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I was like, you know what? This is a pain in the ass. I'd rather just go back to just using the wrenches. I'm not that busy. yeah Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then I just started designing everything around just a quarter-inch bit.
01:10:08
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Like everything I need. How can I do this with two bits? Yeah. like All the bits. every i i actually ah Did you guys know Jenny Bits? He's such a nice guy. Do you know Jenny from Jenny Bits?
01:10:23
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What is his name? um i miss um'm I'm slipping. My mind is slipping on his name. um I think it's Cody. But he owns a company called Jenny Bits. He bought a machine to make his own bits.
01:10:35
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And he really did some bit innovation. you guys got it I met him at WorkbenchCon and he gave me a handful of bits. And for instance, he made a V-Bit. With a forward, you guys will dig this.
01:10:47
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So did you ever cut um cut something with aura mask on it? Yep. With a V-bit, and the aura mask fills up right at the cut. He made V-bit where the cutting head's down seven degrees.
01:11:03
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So a helix. It's got a low helix V-bit. So it's a down pressure the whole time, even though it's a V-bit. And it holds the aura mask in place. Really smart thinking. And then another thing he did was, he said this is what kind of got him into He shared it in the chats and everyone's like, I need one.
01:11:20
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He made, you know, a down cut bit. Has the down cut at like the top, like, like quarter inch for instance. Right.
01:11:31
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ah And to, and you go below that and then it pulls up or, so I forget what it was. The compression bit. yeah Yeah. The compression starts a quarter inch up. The compression starts a quarter inch up. Right. So to get the benefit of the compression, you've got to make a deep cut.
01:11:45
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And he was using, yeah. And he was using, he was using a, maybe ah an X car, something that didn't have enough power. Yeah. Meanwhile, the kid's smart enough and he has the wherewithal to go make his own bit. So he goes and makes his own bit at work. He worked for some aerospace company where he makes a bit where the down cut starts at like 15 thou from the tip.
01:12:05
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So it's just – Yeah, so he can go in. So he could his first cut could be a little bit less because he's all got old belts and stuff.
01:12:15
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That's genius. That's perfect. So his first cut doesn't have to be so deep. Nice. Is it J-E-N-N-Y?
01:12:25
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yeah Like Jenny, Jenny, who can I turn to? So he is a joke. He said, you're not Gen X at all. is a great disagree If the speeds, if the speeds and feeds don't come out to eight, six, seven, five, three, oh, nine, I'm going to be upset.
01:12:42
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No, when he was on, he he was making, started putting the company together and somebody said, what's the part number? He was like, he may be in a conversation with somebody. Or even on a podcast. And someone's like, what's the part number? He goes, oh, it's 8-6-7-5-3-0-9. Nice.
01:12:57
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Oh, I think this is what he told me. This is the joke. I'm i'm remembering it as I'm telling you. He said where he works is some aerospace company. He doesn't work there because now he's got his own company. But when people didn't know the part number, they would just say it's 8-6-7-5-3-0-9.
01:13:10
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that was like beyond That was like the, I don't know. And so then he named his company Jenny because he named the part, his first part, 867-5309. That's the story. can Can we just take a moment and and bask in the amazingness that this kid is working at an aerospace company, making his own bits because his X-carb doesn't have enough power.
01:13:33
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That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. You work with rockets. and You can't get but anything bigger than a Makina router? but He told me he he ended up investing in his own he invested in his own company. He says, I bought a machine that costs more than my house to cut router bits.
01:13:51
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Yeah. Just unbelievable. I used say ah use Vortex tools. so I'm friends with the with them and they've like given me virtual shop tours. and It's amazing the equipment that has to go into cutting those. We don't even think about it. It's just a bit you take out of the draw.
01:14:06
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like There's so much that goes into that piece of carbon steel. It's crazy. but It's funny. like when I'm not i'm not not going to denigrate with Jenny Gaming because I haven't tried them yet. and they're really I'll tell you another really good and interesting innovation he did, and I'll explain that in a minute.
01:14:21
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But when I ended up going to First Build in Kentucky, when I did some work with them, they're running their CNC. they do it's ah If anybody doesn't know First Build, it's a makerspace in Kentucky. It's like it's associated.
01:14:34
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They only rent from the University of Kentucky. They're not associated with them. So they're in the University of Kentucky, but they rent the space there. And they made that clear to that they're not. technically associated they are because then the proximity will be on that they're not and anyway they're in the speed shop building if anybody knows that and the first build guys make some products and then anybody that goes there they're associated with ge so anybody that goes there um is loosely if you come up with an invention, GE has the first right of refusal.
01:15:04
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Most of the time they'll say, we don't want it. But if you do come up with a good innovation there, and so they manufacture the pizza oven, the the electric pizza oven that I had made with them a years ago. And this is a long story, but they CNC, for instance, the stone.
01:15:20
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They get the stone in pieces. It's the oven stone. There's one on the bottom, one on the top. And they CNC the grooves in it to put the heatating heating coils. And he goes, i was the guy who was running, the guy named Robbie, who unfortunately passed away.
01:15:34
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lot of guys died in this podcast. I'm sorry. But ah robbie Robbie taught me, he said, to CNC these grooves, it's a soft soapstone. He's like, you got to use a CNC machine. He goes, but it eats through bits.
01:15:46
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He goes, I was buying like $50 bits. He goes, I went on Amazon. i buy, for $50, I get like 10 bits or 15 bits. And I burn through them. They break, whatever. So he's he's the one who taught me to go to Amazon and just get cheap, crummy bits if you're just doing straight cuts.
01:15:59
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Versus these expensive ones that you snap throwing a piece of plywood on your machine or whatever. but the other innovative But the other innovative bit that says that the Cody came up with was it's a bullnose bit.
01:16:15
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But instead of being a full bullnose, which you'd expect is like a perfect radius from here to here, there's a flat spot in the middle. So you step over and do much faster. It's really smart. It's a step over as an eighth inch.
01:16:27
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So the the the flat spot is one eighth inch on a half inch bit. So you're moving. and and yeah And you all know that when you have three points in the middle of a bit, it's not really doing anything because I'm removing any material.
01:16:40
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So what he did is he put one longer and the other two a shorter. So it's almost like, so the one cutting, so if it's a three flute, the one flute comes in past the middle and the other two come up to it and leave a little air gap for the chips to fly out Nice.
01:16:55
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Wow. Capisce? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to have to order a couple of these. i like I like this. There's a guy, I've seen him at Minker Camp a couple of times talking about bit innovation. And you'll know as soon as I, I can't, I just can't call his name, but he made a ah flattening bit and he raked the the head the the cutters like his carbide cutters are curved and he not sure I know that he's been at maker camp a couple of times I'm not sure and is that is that just so that it's is land like air or something like that
01:17:27
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Oh, I think I've heard that, yeah. It's a big three-inch massive... I what you're talking about, but I've never taken a close look at it I know exactly what you're talking about. It's because I used... I have a flattening bit with three carbides on it that came from the Orange Tool Company that I refuse to use now.
01:17:46
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But... say it's they're straight, so you're just plowing. You're just smearing. right Oh, so he's got like an ease. He's got an ease on it. he he curved the He curved the carbides and then raked them right like like just five degrees or three degrees even.
01:18:02
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And it just basically is just peeling. and And then you end up, I mean, I'd imagine your stepovers those don't give you lines that are impossible to palm sand down. No, not at all. You can't even see them. and And you can run a 50% stepover on it.
01:18:15
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Oh, I got to buy one of those. yeah Because I just did. I flattened a friend's cookie. This sounds horrible. I flattened my friend's cookie and couldn't get rid of the line. We couldn't rid of the line. Yeah. Yeah. They ghosted. Nice. yeah Yeah. I couldn't turn a three inch bit if I had to.
01:18:33
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You know, with the old Shape Oko, I'm using belts and the trim router. So I can proudly say that I have never broken quarter inch bit, but that has more to do with the fact that the belts haven't got the power to break the bit than it has to with me actually running into shit.
01:18:51
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Do you have an original Sheepoko or one from Call 3D? It's the Sheepoko 3 XXL. So I don't know. i as I assume there was a one and a two.
01:19:03
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A four by four? ah Yeah, I don't know. it's It's about 32 32 worth of me working space. Yeah. I met Kevin from Call By 3D. I know Kevin, but I met him at WorkbenchCon and And he he's kind of talking me into maybe demoing one of their machines for ongoing thing.
01:19:24
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They're at a different price point than ShopBot altogether. So yeah know if i'd I don't know if I'd be competing. I'd just have to maybe let them have their first right of refusal on it. they're They're definitely the more hobby range than the professional 10,000 plus.
01:19:41
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yeah I mean, you can get a Shape Oko for two grand. Yeah. Yeah. Four by four is under three is under, i think it's under five. grand the Four by four table. Yeah. Everything speed really.
01:19:55
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and But I gotta say, I, I lost the third three horse motor on my machine. Um, And we I said to hell with it and upgraded it from a liquid-cooled spindle to a six-horse air-cooled spindle.
01:20:10
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So much, so much better. Yes. Like, unbelievably, like, even the bits, like, I don't get the the bits aren't getting discolored anymore because I'm running them clean.
01:20:21
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you know Oh, clean and faster yeah yeah fast, yeah. I'm not going any faster. I'm just cutting cleaner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It gets back to the conversation with the Rikon bandsaw.
01:20:32
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yeah Yeah, exactly. exactly yeah it was and And those liquid-cooled spindles, they're a little quieter, but in ah in a sharp, dusty environment, you know the dust gets into the coolant, and then you just pack it into the... And they just they just don't last. When I hear something is water-cooled, it's just another level of shit that I won't take care of.
01:20:51
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yeah yeah Well, that, and I'm like, oh my god, if the heat goes out in the shop, you know i mean I'm scared to death with the laser. you know Yeah, I run glycol in my lasers. Food-grade glycol.
01:21:02
Speaker
And that's okay? Yeah. yeah but it's got ah It's like 50-50 mix. Yeah, like RV antifreeze. Yeah. yeah but you try get You got to get the food right stuff. the same reason. You're in upstate New York. Shit gets cold and you run plain water and it's going to expand and break some yeah laguna was very nervous about letting me do that because i told him i ran i ran rv in the in the antifreeze in the in the cnc and that actually prolonged because it kind of has a lubricant in it but they were like yeah don't put that in a laser don't put that just used to still water only you know so i was like okay see so how do you know it's not gonna break how did you not break just kept it heated the shop's heated
01:21:45
Speaker
Oh, okay. you good Yeah. But like if I run out of propane, I'm scared. Well, that's, that's exactly why I always keep, I always keep, I always keep that in my lasers. I have it right now in the Thunder laser. It hasn't been a problem.
01:21:57
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Yeah. Nice. I might, I might, it's, it's, I'm probably going to do a service here in the next month or so. I might just switch it over. Good. I'll just say Jimmy said I could. The food grade glycerin is, is clear.
01:22:10
Speaker
Where do you get that? It's on Go listen to me. Go go to it like some chat room or something and ask those guys. I don't not i'll trust some people. I think you've got one big digital tool left that is full of water that we haven't talked about yet. um somebody on my plasma table somebody Somebody was actually talking about your ah plasma table. We had Tom on last episode from Next Gen Signs.
01:22:40
Speaker
Oh, yeah, You say he comes over and uses your plasma CNC. um How is that working out you You enjoying the water in there? The machine is very, that machine is, particular machine is buggy. It is about 10 years old.
01:22:55
Speaker
And that was a prototype. When they first made that new shape for that table, that was one of the first generations. It's so new. Well, it was so early, I should say, not new. It was so early that it doesn't have a serial number.
01:23:08
Speaker
Exactly. that Is that the machine that was on the movie? It was on some. Yeah, it was on one of the it was on one of the comic book movies. like Iron Man or something like that. so So when it showed up to me, it came from wherever Iron Man was.
01:23:22
Speaker
And actually, well, it went back to Ohio first and then it came to me. But it showed up. all weird and like I didn't know what to do with it. They didn't like Twitch mate really just kind of just leaves me hanging in the dust. They don't there's no support. There's no nothing.
01:23:37
Speaker
They did rebuild the machine a couple of times because I was cranky and crying about it. But like you gave me this twenty five thousand dollar machine. Yeah. you have power Yeah. A couple things, a couple of issues. I hadn't used it for a couple of months and I turned it on and one step promoter wanted to go backwards. The other one wanted to go forwards.
01:23:54
Speaker
So the machine was going, the gantry was just going, and I'm like, guys, I swear to God, once I go, they're like, that's not possible. I'm like, it's happening. so like the Here's a video of it happening. You tell me why it's not possible.
01:24:12
Speaker
ah Exactly. And all going to about it. It shouldn't possible, and what is possible are two completely different bears. So I haven't really talked publicly about this, but I ordered, and tomorrow I'm going to go pay for fast-cut CNC machine.
01:24:32
Speaker
So I'm buying a 4x8 fast-cut CNC machine with no water in it. It's going to be just a downdraft table, and just with the vacuum that sucks it out. But I'm getting a 4x8 fast-cut with a hypotherm.
01:24:47
Speaker
I forget what the size is, but I can cut up to 1 inch thick steel with the hypotherm. 1 inch? 1 inch thick steel, And I decided to really up my digital steel fabrication game and get the 4x8 table.
01:25:00
Speaker
I'm paying for this. so you're and So you've paid the ShopBot off and your credit card's clear now so you can afford this? Yes. Exactly. I'll be honest you. That was 11 years ago. when i but no was that?
01:25:14
Speaker
How long ago? It was 2013. 12 years ago when I bought that ShopBot CNC machine with a credit card. ah I had literally... No money in the bank.
01:25:25
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Like I, I, it was when I used to actually balance my checkbook because I had to make sure that I had enough money. I never, I never bounced the check, but if I didn't have enough money, I wouldn't write a check. I'd wait. Right. But I had a little ledger and I'd go all the way down to like 200 bucks in my account or 150 bucks in my account.
01:25:40
Speaker
That's when I bought that CNC machine. It's crazy, isn't it? Now I have a little bit more money in the bank because of all my YouTube success. yeah yeah. You're billionaire. saying sarcastically. Now I'm a billionaire.
01:25:51
Speaker
But tomorrow I'm going to go send the money transfer for like nearly $30,000 to buy this machine. They give me a really dramatic discount because I called up and said I want to buy the machine outright.
01:26:03
Speaker
They gave me a quote and I almost – I really had to try not to drop the phone to act like I was a tough guy. like, yeah, yeah, okay. That's how much it is. And then we started talking a little bit more and he's like, I know who you are. Guy Russ, very sweet guy. He's like looking at it would be foolish for me to miss an opportunity to get exposure with your videos. He goes, let me come up with a discount. So we ended up coming up with a discount for the four by eight table. And like i said, my, my price is somewhere like just shy of 30 grand.
01:26:31
Speaker
And that's, i mean it's it's I mean, that's nothing to blink at by any means, but like even even from even this machine, my for I'm pointing at my money Swift, that machine is three times what I paid for that all right now.
01:26:47
Speaker
like like You mean if you had to buy it now? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Three times what I paid for it. and it's And it's not any i mean it's newer parts, but it's the same thing. How much was that machine? Well, if I had to buy that machine now, how much would it pay?
01:27:00
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This machine now with a vacuum, that's a vacuum table too, with the six horse ah is 44. forty four Yeah, 44 grand. And I paid 21.
01:27:11
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twenty one My ShopBot Alpha was priced somewhere around 35 grand when I got it in 2018, 2017. eighteen twenty seventeen And this table, like ah so and getting back to the the Torchmate table, I'm ah i'm a Lincoln sponsor.
01:27:26
Speaker
yeah But it seems like Lincoln and Torchmate I honestly can't say with but factual knowledge. It just seems like they don't have a relationship because in nine years I've been working with Lincoln, I still don't know anybody at Torchmate that I can pick up the phone and say, hey, I'm having a problem with this machine. I got to call in like a customer.
01:27:44
Speaker
And they say, what's your serial number? And I think there is no serial number. And they're like, that's not possible. You don't understand. I'm a YouTuber. Everyone calls me the Godfather. have a big YouTube channel. Go watch the Iron Man movie. It's there. and They're like, we're going to send you a job reference number. When you get that email, I'm like, and they literally treat me like a paying customer, which just I'd like to go to the front of the line. I mean, I'm on your payroll. Nobody one pays attention.
01:28:14
Speaker
So um I wrote a message to shop to my contact at Lincoln. and I was like, this table is tired and I need a more reliable table. So I'm going to shop around and buy another table.
01:28:28
Speaker
And she just said, she didn't really say anything. She said, well, let's see what we can do is what she said. And nearly six weeks has gone by. I'm about to pay for the table tomorrow, and today I got an email from my friend at Lincoln that said, we didn't forget about you, but we're we're going to look into it. And I just said, I already i just bought a table from another company.
01:28:51
Speaker
So you're off the hook. So said, I go, you're off the hook. But if I waited and I nurtured them and i and i misaged I would get the table because I have a deal with them. I don't want to, i want to try a different brand.
01:29:04
Speaker
So I'm literally like putting my money where I'm out as I'm buying a different brand. Cause that brand has proven itself to not be reliable to the torch made table. Yeah. Now, is this, you said downdraft, is there a benefit other than cleanliness? I can't imagine. I can only imagine. it Well, I asked ah the Russell, like the owner at the, at Fast Cut. like, I have a, he goes, we make water tables because it's your choice. so We could give you one where it takes water. He goes, personally, I don't like a water table because it's messy. it just collects all the dirt and it just gets muddy. And it's true.
01:29:34
Speaker
but The water in the, in the water table is so dirty. You could stick your finger in it like Bugs Bunny and pull it out. And it's just black. yeah Like you would just, you have seen your table yeah you wouldn't assume the water would suspend like the goo in the air. You'd in fact that you assume it would all sink.
01:29:50
Speaker
Yeah. But you like literally dip your finger and comes out. It's black. It's like the the dirtiest. It's got smoke. The good thing is you're not breathing that. True. it's traed this tables goingnna come This is, I like it because it cools off your plate.
01:30:06
Speaker
Yeah. But if you have a more efficient cut in general, which these new machines, this hypotherm is going to have a more efficient cut. It's got much. It's it's it seems to me and I'll know because I'm going to have the experience.
01:30:20
Speaker
It just has a better upgrade technology. Like when I got to change the tip on the the plasma cutter, it's like four parts. Each one of those four parts could melt and go wrong. Apparently on the hypotherm, it's just one cap.
01:30:33
Speaker
yeah And you pull it off, and you just put in another cap. And they seem to have a little bit longer life because there's less parts to go bad. it's I'm going to learn all this in time. Yeah. I'm sorry to be interrupt.
01:30:44
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um I think it's it sounds like this technology is a new – Mike Coffey over at Coffey Custom Builds. Yep. He's looking at a downdraft table laser cutter.
01:30:59
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So it's it's it seems to be a technology that's coming along, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. For different applications. I mean, honestly, they say downdraft. It just means there's a sucker underneath it to pull away the smoke and dirt.
01:31:11
Speaker
You know, honestly, this is kind of downdraft, sort of. I'm probably never going to plug in the downdraft because it's like a separate thing you're going I'm going to buy a fan from Harbor Freight and stick it at the end of the tube.
01:31:24
Speaker
Off of Amazon. Amazon, definitely. Go get one of those. um I've got two. My exhaust fans are both grow operation fans.
01:31:36
Speaker
I'm probably going to get one of those Home Depot, those big orange floor dryer things that you see in the deli. I'll just have the tube stick to the intake of that and just shoot at 90 degrees left. Nice.
01:31:49
Speaker
sandblast the side of your Cadillac. Yeah. know If you're getting, if you're getting little bits of metal at coming out through there, probably be careful where you point it. Yeah.
01:32:00
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Yeah. I'll point it right at my wooden wall. Yeah. Yeah. I'm kidding. I wouldn't do that. Well, so, I mean, it's, we're running long, not long, but we're running a while here. What, what other kind of crazy digital,
01:32:13
Speaker
I mean, you just do everything. Like your your maker man stained glass stuff. like Oh, yeah. Come come in, Ben. We're almost done. We're getting close. Do you think I got fell asleep?
01:32:26
Speaker
but I told her I was going to be 30 minutes, and then I read the email. said no
01:32:33
Speaker
That's right. We're almost done, Ben. Hey, if the boss wants us off, we're done. But what you you reminded me of something. Oh, I told Derek we were at a show when we went. We went to go see the A.N. Laser People in October in North Carolina at Expo, Graphic Expo.
01:32:50
Speaker
And there is an embroidery. There was a lot. it was ah There was ah an aisle of embroidery machines. And I say it all the time to Derek. I go, that looks too complicated for me to have enough attention span to figure that out. But Derek would.
01:33:02
Speaker
I said, if you want that machine, i will buy it. it's like a $40,000 machine. and like I'll take the risk. I'll go on a payment plan or whatever. I'll buy that machine for you to start a business. And so as far as digital, embroidery looks amazing.
01:33:17
Speaker
like If you get into it, there's some really like cool stuff you can do with embroidery things. Derek has the patience to go into chat rooms and to go into... yeah discussions online. i don't do any of that stuff.
01:33:30
Speaker
I don't either. So Derek would go right on to like a Facebook group and become part of the Facebook group and immediately learn things that I would only learn by making 50 mistakes. So I said to them him, I go, if you, if you would be interested in getting one of those machines and you want to start a business, make it hats, you know, say like a forehead machine or whatever.
01:33:47
Speaker
said, I'll, I'll take the investment for you. And you know, you, you'll pay me back as you make money. Did he do it this way? No. I was like, I'm not doing that. I was like, I was like but i need to order t-shirts right now.
01:33:58
Speaker
I will call Derek tomorrow. He knows that's an open offer. I sent it to him years ago, but then a few months back when we were at the machine, were at the show. I was like, dude, this is what I'm talking or i'll take I'll take the financial risk if you want to take the the mental stress of figuring out to use these things.
01:34:15
Speaker
You know, this is a digital question minded, but like, if if you have a second, I don't want to, i don't want to keep you all night, but if you have a second, you and Derek are kind of a special dynamic duo. What, how how did that happen?
01:34:27
Speaker
It's a funny story, that how me me and Derek met. When we did the 100th episode of the podcast, it was kind of a milestone for a lot of us. yeah We did the 100th episode of making making a podcast.
01:34:38
Speaker
I remember it. And we put it out to the audience. Anybody want to house a bunch of people. And we we ended up at Converse in Boston. One of our fans is a good guy. We used you still follow each other.
01:34:52
Speaker
He said, I'm an executive at Converse. We have a meeting room. Come. Because we did an Eventbrite only just so we could manage the number of people. It was all free. First come, first serve. And then that day we did several podcasts, live podcasts, and me, Bob, and Dave were the finale.
01:35:06
Speaker
And I got had gotten a message from Derek earlier on. and I've been sober for going to May will be 38 years I've been sober. and went they got sober when I turned 20.
01:35:17
Speaker
I started drinking when I turned 14. and I, uh, I talk about it. And so I had gotten an email from Derek and I didn't really register on the name or where anything he wasn't there from all that time.
01:35:29
Speaker
And he said, uh, I appreciate you talking publicly and openly about being sober. I've been sober and it's refreshing to hear because these guys get so much pressure to have a beer here and beer there. And so cool. And then fast forward to when we did making it 100, he had emailed me again and he said, I didn't,
01:35:48
Speaker
get the event right in time, I'm not going to be able to get in. Is there is there any is there any way for me to get in? I said, I'll just tell the girl at the door, you're my cousin or something. And then that was through an email while we were in while I was inside.
01:36:00
Speaker
Ten minutes later, he's like, I'm Derek. Because I just told her that I knew you. And she said, go right in. that's like you then And we shook hands. And you know Derek's obviously a very open and honest guy. And he right there, he so he reiterated again. He's like, I just appreciate your openness about being sober and because it was refreshing to hear someone just talk about it like it's not taboo.
01:36:21
Speaker
And and we somebody walked up to us during, not at that very moment, but at some other point during the day. Someone said, hey, Jimmy, tomorrow, if you're going to be in town after the podcast, i'm I'm one of the students at MIT. I can show you the labs. And Derek's like, Derek was right there.
01:36:38
Speaker
He goes, oh, I've been in MIT. I did work in there, the phone lines. And the kid goes, you come too. And then there was like somebody else standing there like, I can't even remember who, but you come too.
01:36:49
Speaker
And then like all of a sudden, there was like eight of us. We went around MIT for the whole day on the Sunday. And we really had a nice day. And it was ah it was that was the day me and Derek Bond did. We just stayed friends ever since. And then this is the other thing is his daughter was in was in Philly. So he was leaving Boston and driving through New York sometimes.
01:37:06
Speaker
Especially to visit me. So he's like, hey, i'm going to be passing through New York. I'll come and see his shop. So that was when we and then I also started moving upstate right around that same time, like a year later. And so he would come by on the way up from Philly, grab a bunch of shit, come to my shop with me. And then i was like, why don't you just spend the night?
01:37:22
Speaker
And then that was when we fell in love. There you go. ah i would <unk> ah as a i kind of I knew a little bit of that story, but I wanted to get it clarity on it. but it's it's To see you guys, it's like you were like Little League ballplayers together back in the day. yeah you know but the other the other thing The other thing that like kind of fast-forwarded our friendship is that we had the very same lives.
01:37:45
Speaker
and he Derek always says... We both get the same peer pressure from our fathers to get a city job, but I didn't take the city job. And he always says, you live the life that I would have lived if I didn't take the pressure from my father and take the city job or to take the steady job.
01:38:02
Speaker
Yeah. My dad was always saying, become a fireman or a policeman. and say You were going to be a fireman, right? And my brother, John became a policeman for for a minute there. But Derek ended up getting a job at Verizon. know That's the pizza place. and That's a secret. i'll tell you Is your sister just still doing jewelry?
01:38:17
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, she's doing great. My sister is a shop in Seacliff. Her husband owns the bar directly across the street. She owns the shop on the opposite side. They're like the mayor and husband and wife team.
01:38:30
Speaker
I'm sorry, Jeff, for capitalizing on this conversation, but what what's what's the status of the of your violin player? I haven't seen her in a while. My violin or my trumpet?
01:38:42
Speaker
No, didn't you have a young lady that was playing violin for you for a while? It's a lot of your videos, like a neighborhood. Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's ah a, fresh well, that was a friend of mine that stayed at the house and she gave me a bunch of stuff.
01:38:53
Speaker
Yeah. I cataloged a bunch of stuff when I was doing the vlogs. I haven't really used much of them because I haven't really been doing the vlogs. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Natalie, she's on the road. You need to do that again in your spare time. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, the vlogs take the most work to make and then they get the least amount of views, which is why I kind of just made it.
01:39:09
Speaker
corporate decision to just abandon them. And then, and then around the same time I stopped doing an Instagram stories became more popular. So yeah we could all see what everybody's got to vlog daily vlog now. Yeah. Yeah.
01:39:20
Speaker
Yeah. That's just in your stories. Now you just got to pay attention more often because they disappear. Exactly. Exactly. And we occasionally, we save the cool stuff in the flashbacks.
01:39:32
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Okay. Well, Well, we probably starting to run a little late here. And I got one more thing I want to throw at you. It's not really digital, but it's definitely Jimmy.
01:39:43
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And I think maybe we could we could probably scrap the thing of the week this time for space. Nobody cares about that anyway. Yeah. I was going to say something about the Jimmy-isms.
01:39:59
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the there's There's all the Jimmy quotes. I mean, Al used one of them earlier. he threw out, if it looks straightd straight, it is straight. a standard Everybody's always, always, always repeating. the You go to school on the first one.
01:40:17
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Yeah, I've heard that so many times I almost roll my eyes when I hear it. But I mean, I still can't blame people because it resonates so well with people about how much you actually really do learn the first time you dig in and try something that that that resonates so much with the makers.
01:40:37
Speaker
Oh, there it is. and That reminds I've got to print more of those. and But i've I've got a new one for you. this is What you got? This is a Jimmy quote that everybody else seems to be sleeping on But it was a few years ago back when see you you're making it episode 313. Whoa. Yep. Well, you're what?
01:40:59
Speaker
well yeah yet well ye're what 400 and something now? We're closing in on five. I said at the bottom of the we've got to do something at 500. So it was, yeah, maybe what, three years ago or something?
01:41:12
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what You know, 35 minutes in you said something and I thought it was so profound. I pulled the fuck over and wrote this down. And i think this is one everybody should pick up on.
01:41:27
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And I, like especially for people who are struggling to get into some of the digital tools and the software and they're fighting with how much work do I have to learn to get this stuff done?
01:41:40
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You said, i don't remember what you're talking about, but you were talking to Bob and you came out with, it's only hard because you don't know how to do it yet. Yes.
01:41:51
Speaker
Yes. that one That one hit me so hard. I pulled over, stopped the car, and typed that into my phone and marked down where it came from. but It's amazing. You remember.
01:42:03
Speaker
But that's exactly what I said at beginning of this conversation, where there's always one thing. i say it all the time in my podcast. There's always the one thing. And for me, it was the it's the electronics on the car. Right. It's the electric. It's like, I don't know where all these fucking wires go.
01:42:16
Speaker
Why are there two posts on a fucking coil? What does one go to? Where does the other one go to? Why there three positions on a switch? What the fuck? like Why is it so complicated? It's hard because I don't know And then David from DTB Fabration Cab comes in and goes, oh, this goes here, this goes here. You got to put that over there. And I'm like, how the fuck do you know that?
01:42:33
Speaker
Well, because he's learned that he's done it 17 times. He's learned it. It's ingrained. He knows it. And once you know it, it's not hard. It only seems complicated when you don't know what goes into it or how it gets done or...
01:42:48
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yeah You don't even know where to start. The fear keeps you from trump confronting the learning. Right. Fortunately, there' another one I've got a very little fear factor for learning.
01:43:01
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I've got absolutely no problem. Especially, I mean, I started with computers when I was, you know, like 12. twelve We got an Apple two And I've been playing with computers as toys ever since.
01:43:14
Speaker
Toys and tools ever since. And I'm pretty good with software and I will just jump in and start pushing buttons to see what it does. I've developed that confidence you know because of the CNC. I said when Derek wanted to buy his first Avid CNC, and when it was called CNC parts before it was Avid, he was going to buy the machine. as i He goes, what do you think? It was like $6,000, some guy he needed to raise money and he was giving up this business.
01:43:41
Speaker
And I said, I go, if you get it, I go, just be be conscious of one thing. You're going to have to become an expert on it. And you will unconsciously. You'll become an expert on that particular machine and the nuances with the software that run that machine.
01:43:55
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I said, and and he did. And people do. That's what I always tell people. You have to. I don't know if that was off the point. yeah But you've got to. You've got to confront all the technology to learn how to do it.
01:44:07
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The same thing with me. like i The machine sat there. i was just fearful of learning. And then when somebody made it easy for me to understand how all the machine or the software worked, it was easy for me to understand how the hardware worked.
01:44:18
Speaker
Right. Right. I just bought Bob's course. Oh, you know, I've been meaning to do it too. I'm scared to death of Fusion, but I got to do it. I really want to try it. I'm going to do it too. I'm going to buy I don't want to give it to you. I want to support him. I want to buy it too.
01:44:34
Speaker
well and can i and Can I say, you did you guys you guys are a good crew. you guys are good oh thank you yeah Thank you very much. I followed you guys. I followed Dave since he was the drunken woodworker.
01:44:46
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yeah I've known Bob since before he had fourwhe four runners. Or lane cruisers. It's crazy. I mean, we've been at this now going on like 11, 12 years. I average yeah it would be a huge travel burden for them, but man, I just can't think of a better place. And I've only seen pictures. I need to get over there and see the, see the upstairs, but I can't imagine a better place to do 500 than in that leather shop year. So upstairs.
01:45:15
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I would do it on the property. We're going to set up chairs. We're going to do like a wedding there. We're going to do like a wedding. We'll set up like chairs in the summer day, and then all of a sudden going to get rain. I'll tell you what. With enough lead time, I'll make 100 racks of ribs or something for you. We'll have a big party.
01:45:33
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ah We're going to do something. We really have to at at this point. It's been 10 years. and you know Maybe we're going to have to have the barbecue at Dave's house. Yeah. Just to get them there. If that's what it takes, I mean, there should be enough
01:45:54
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He's always worried about his wieners.
01:45:58
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now ah We're going to talk in the morning. I'll bring it up again just to see with what they've been thinking. Well, everybody's got to worry about their wieners, right? Yeah. It's got to be a priority.
01:46:10
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All right. Well, I guess we can wrap this up so everybody can get ready for bed and make Rachel happy before she gets unhappy here. We don't like unhappy. yeah We don't like unhappy ah women in our lives. It just makes things a lot rougher for everybody, doesn't it?
01:46:28
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Anyway, so I would definitely like to thank Jimmy for coming on the show. Thank you and Thanks, guys. This was a lot of fun. Good time. for good to find it i'll come back if you guys have like a specific thing you want to talk about it you want to spend an hour and a half talking about bit geometry or something i'll come back yeah i i am definitely going to look in i'll tell you i know we didn't do a thing of the week but je jenny bits is my thing of the week i'm going to explore this i want to i want to yeah take a look this is a real sweet kid yeah i call him a kid he's probably 30 years old Really sweet kid. who and really Yeah, really sweet. Sweet kid, just you know really going out there getting it. Doing a good job.
01:47:06
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Well, us in our 50s, anybody in their 30s is a kid. yeah Yeah. And all all three of us are in our 50s here, so that's pretty fair for us there. They're going to be 58. They're going to be 58 April 3rd. I saw a sign the other day that said, please be patient. I'm from the nineteen hundreds Yeah. sounds right.
01:47:28
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I was like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. That explains a lot, you know, some of us, you know, drank out of the garden hose, you know, yeah definitely. Yeah. yeah So I guess anybody that enjoyed the episode should go follow Jimmy.
01:47:44
Speaker
But, you know, to be fair, if you don't already follow Jimmy on Instagram or YouTube, have how are you even in the maker community? And how would you even know?
01:47:56
Speaker
how How would you find me if you hadn't found him yet? But just in case, you know, thank yeah face it and I'd also like to thank the co-host Al for taking the time to hang out again. And I'd like to thank you well all the listeners for taking the time to tune in.
01:48:14
Speaker
And you know what? Next time we get together, we've got to talk about scars for an hour and a half. to scars yeah yeah yeah Well, we could. And I just, I just, I just noticed your Peterbilt hat. I used to own a Peterbilt triaxle.
01:48:25
Speaker
Drove one for 15 years. yeah I said that one of these days, me and Rob are going to rent you one. going to buy one. I wont im won't get a commercial license. It'll never leave the property, but i'm going to get one. ye yeah Nice.
01:48:36
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Best truck you can own. You need to take it somewhere. Get one of your other friends to drive it. Yeah, yeah. you've hired a fulltime commercial drive You've got a friend for any possible use you might ever have.
01:48:47
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yeah That's right. You can find somebody with a CDL in about 10 minutes, I'm guessing. Thank you. Class A with tanks. Thank you.
01:48:58
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So, okay. So we need to have a huge thank you to our ah current patrons for their support. So many thanks to Adam from BKR customs, Ed Swanson of Ed's clocks and more. Oh, and hi ed Eric from overall maker works.
01:49:17
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yeah Thank you, gentlemen. Much thanks to those guys. And if you've enjoyed listening, want to help support the show, you can share it with your friends, and leave a review or join our Patreon, which you can find at patreon.com slash digifabricators.
01:49:36
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And we've got a Discord server that's open to everybody. Patrons get access to an exclusive channel where they get to hear about our next guest before the public does.
01:49:47
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ah Links to Discord and Patreon are in the Digifabricators Instagram, which you should also be following at digi-fabricators. And I can be found most places as a weird guy. al can be found under New York Woodworks, which is NY Woodworks with an X. Thanks again to Jimmy and everybody.
01:50:09
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And we will catch you on the next episode.
01:50:14
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Thank you. Love you. Love you. Love you. Love you.
01:50:21
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Oh, that's hot.
01:50:30
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Sweet, nailed it.