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120. The Transformative Power of Nature: How Sacred Landscapes Elevate Spiritual Growth
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In this episode of the Spiritual Fitness podcast, host Eric Bigger and guest Sia explore the profound impact of spiritual growth through transformative journeys and plant medicine. They delve into how stepping outside one's comfort zone and engaging with sacred lands and ceremonies can lead to significant shifts in consciousness and overall well-being. Sia shares her personal experiences of how sacred sites like Joshua Tree and the landscapes of Peru have not only transformed her life but also deeply influenced those who accompany her on retreats. They discuss the healing power of plant medicines, such as San Pedro, and how the energies of the land communicate with those open to receiving its wisdom. This episode also emphasizes the importance of embracing vulnerability, breaking free from societal conditioning, and deeply connecting with nature as vital components of spiritual growth.
Also in this episode:
- The transformative experience of going beyond familiar surroundings to connect with sacred lands and ceremonies.
- Insights into how sitting with San Pedro (Huachuma) leads to deep emotional and spiritual healing.
- Emphasizing the necessity of embracing vulnerability to attain true wholeness and balance of the divine masculine and feminine within.
- Realizing how deeply connecting with the elements and sacred landscapes amplifies one’s spiritual journey and personal growth.
You can connect with Sia through the following channels:
Sia's Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9FZLrY1TLHwYe4ssy3q4Sw
Rainbow Tablets Books: https://www.sialanuestrella.com/the-rainbow-tablets.
Sia's Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/live-your-highest-expression/id1674894039
Sia's Embodiment School: https://sia-lanuestrella.mykajabi.com/sacred-embodiment
Check out Miracle Season’s collection: https://itsmiracleseason.co/collections/frontpage
Work with me: https://www.ericbigger.com/workwithme?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=work_with_m...
Connect with Simplified Impact: https://hubs.ly/Q02vvMJ90
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Focus
00:00:06
Speaker
Welcome to the Spiritual Fitness Podcast. I'm your host, Eric Bigger, and each week we will explore powerful practices, inspiring stories, and expert insights to guide you on your path to holistic health.
Supporting Listeners' Spiritual Journey
00:00:18
Speaker
By blending spirituality and physical wellness, we support you in strengthening your body and soul. Whether you're a seasoned spiritual seeker or just beginning your journey, the Spiritual Fitness Podcast is here to help you unlock your inner potential and live your most vibrant, purposeful life.
Concept of Miracle Season
00:00:35
Speaker
It's miracle season.
00:00:41
Speaker
I'm really excited about this conversation today because this is something that I think so many of us are looking for. How is the best way to actually make a tangible leap in consciousness to really shift something in
Breaking Patterns and Finding Answers
00:00:57
Speaker
our lives? And I'm kind of reminded of that expression. And I know the true expression, I think they use the word stupidity,
00:01:04
Speaker
I don't want to use that i want to say crazy the definition of craziness is to do the same thing over and over and expect different results and i think for myself i was in that place for a long time. And it wasn't until i finally realized.
00:01:22
Speaker
I need to get outside of this box that I'm in. you know It wasn't just a case of I need to think outside the box. I needed to actually get outside the box. and Once I finally did that, then I found the answers that I was seeking. and I mean, fair enough, they were the initial answers right then and then the journey has just continued.
Guest Introduction and Comfort Zone Experiences
00:01:44
Speaker
But that was the thing that finally gave me that big shift instead of kind of just pushing on and, you know, making small ships, but still being very much in my own little world. So today's guest is Eric Bigger.
00:02:00
Speaker
He is a spiritual fitness expert and thought leader. I've had him on the show before. I've invited him back because I just absolutely love everything that Eric says. We have amazing conversations. And he says to me, see, you need to record a podcast episode about that. And I'm like, Eric, I've got to get you on back on my show. So we're sitting down and doing it. And we are talking about this topic today because Eric has just had his first really big experience in going totally outside the box.
Joshua Tree Visit and Ancestral Connections
00:02:30
Speaker
and hearing his reflections of the things he's taken away from this of the way that it's elevated his timeline and how he's anchoring that has been so fascinating that i'm like okay the listeners need to hear this so eric thanks so much for coming and sharing with us today.
00:02:48
Speaker
Yes, thank you. Thank you for having me. I'm back. Back on the podcast. Before we get into the biggest stuff, I want to start with there was a slightly smaller experience you had that kind of kicked off the ball rolling. And again, it was something that was outside of the ordinary. It came about in a funny way. Eric and I had just met online of all things.
00:03:10
Speaker
I'd been a guest on his podcast. We found out that he was living in LA. I was about to go to LA, and I knew I wanted to go to Joshua Tree, which is this incredible sacred site, National Park, but it's about three to four hours outside of Los Angeles. and Being Australian, I was Absolutely terrified of driving on the wrong side of the road and trying to do that in la of all places so i said to eric you know what let's get together let's go on an adventure i will go out there. Will sit with cacao ceremony and this was kind of the first time that you've ever done anything like this eric and i remember.
00:03:51
Speaker
We weren't even in the gates yet. We were pulling up. We were sitting in that queue to go in and I looked over to you and you were tearing up and you said to me, Sia, my ancestors are talking to me. They're saying to me, what took you so long? We've been waiting for you. And I mean, this was before we'd even got inside the gate and it was just a
Intentions and Realizations at Joshua Tree
00:04:12
Speaker
phenomenal day. So I just want to ask you to share a bit about what was that experience for you and what did that open up for you?
00:04:20
Speaker
I think the first thing that comes to mind that I think people who don't know that from the work you do, you set the intentions and you put the rainbow pyramid around us before we travel two and a half, three hours, right? And so when you first did it, I was like, okay, cool. This is different, right? Hit stepping outside of the box.
00:04:37
Speaker
And as we got closer and then you started saying things like they're waiting for us, I can hear them. They're talking to me. And then I don't know what happened when we got like right to the gate. I felt what you were saying. It like came through me and it just, I just got this knowledge like.
00:04:54
Speaker
I've been in LA 13 years and they've been waiting for me this entire time. And I just was like, wow, I got emotional because it was like so real in that moment that I felt what you were calling in and what was happening. It felt beautiful. It felt like this is where I belong on my journey because prior to that, it was a lot of contrasts and a lot of challenges that didn't make sense.
00:05:17
Speaker
But that made sense, right? Where I didn't have the question because my vessel, my body felt what I was feeling. And it was amazing. It was just like, okay, this is a prerequisite for what's about to go down. This is a starter. This is a Kickstarter of the activation that I don't even know about the experience.
Journey to Desert Vortex
00:05:35
Speaker
So it kind of kind of like grounded me in safety-ness, right? And I just felt good. Yeah. I felt at home.
00:05:42
Speaker
Yeah, and it's so funny that you say that because there's a section in my new book where it talks about we feel true because no matter what conditioning we might have gone through, no matter what trauma, how many lives we've had or whatever,
00:05:57
Speaker
at that for essence we still remember and so when we have those moments. We feel it in a way that we can't explain it kind of like it transcends all logic or reason anything we've experienced before and i love that you said that you could just feel that. I know once we were in the actual sacred sites and we were literally just going where we were guided we didn't have a plan we were like let's follow the energy.
00:06:26
Speaker
And we had our cacao ceremony and that was really profound. And I remember trust was a big thing that came up for you. But then we went for one last sort of little excursion. I felt we were meant to go to this vortex where the two deserts met. We had no idea it was going going to be such a long drive and we were getting sort of low on petrol. I mean, it was getting late in the day and you were so amazing because I kept looking at you and I thought any moment now he's going to say, we have to turn around because I could see you were tired or you just kept going. And when we got out, I want you to share a little bit about that experience because we had a beautiful animal messenger come in and then you had an incredible experience there.
00:07:10
Speaker
Yeah, so Joshua Tree, his secret site, one on one with Sia was amazing. It was magic and miracles. I was so jubilant, so happy. And I'm thinking, that's it, right? Like, we're good. And she's like, Eric, might not want to hear this. I think we have to go to to the Mojave Desert. We have to go to Two Deserts of Meat. And I'm like, okay, where is it? So I'm thinking it's not as far.
00:07:33
Speaker
And man, you know, I guess we'll get us to a later in the discussion about the complaining part. And I want to say this to people who are listening. And I think this is where we stop our remembrance coming fully out on a rainbow race, which is really evolving. When we complain and we get tired, we don't want to go the extra mile. That's what a blessing is. That's what a miracle is. So because I have information, I'm aware I didn't really want him to drive anymore. right He's like, we got to do this. So I'm thinking.
00:07:59
Speaker
We're like 20 minutes in, I'm thinking like, where is this place at? It's like we got to keep going. and I was just like, but anyway, we get there, I understand this is greater than me, it's bigger than me.
Spiritual Messages and Peru Retreat Invitation
00:08:12
Speaker
If I'm complaining and feeling like this, there's something for me that I need to learn or even for received that I can't see. so People know that. We don't want to do something, but it's still good for you. so We get there, we get out. What is the plant or the tobacco you give?
00:08:26
Speaker
but pato So he was like, okay, now set your intentions, speak to your ancestors and ask them what do they want you to receive? Like, okay. So I do that. I'm listening. And the thing that comes up is love, power, love, power. So I'm like, okay. And then after you did something, I think he was blowing the, what is this thing? And I keep getting the name. Mapacho.
00:08:52
Speaker
Yeah, you were blowing, so I think you blew on my throat chakra, my third eye, and then the back of my third eye. And it was like, I just got all of these visions. And it was like, I was getting like a crown on my head. I'm like, okay. Even as I opened my eyes, I swear it was like a hummingbird that just flew up.
00:09:15
Speaker
And it left. I'm like, what does this mean? And at the time, you didn't give me the information. I didn't have the awareness. It was just so quick. I felt like you and I was in the end of a movie. And it's like the credits were coming down the screen. We were walking back to the car together, getting in, driving off. Like, that's it. You did it. And it was such a magical experience that I will always remember in that moment visually. And that's what kind of like set off.
00:09:41
Speaker
just my activation of get my crown, but I didn't know what it meant until you kind of elaborate and to explain more. Yeah, I love that. And that moment with the hummingbird, like it didn't just come in, it came in and it hovered at this like kind of like cactus right in front of you. I mean, it was directly in front of you. So it was so obviously meant for you. And it was at the cactus, which I like, you know, we we'll share what that means later. And then it was gone.
00:10:11
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and We didn't see any other birds. i mean It wasn't just we didn't see any other hummingbirds, we didn't see any other birds. like It was just this incredible divine messenger. The thing that I originally wasn't going to share with listeners, but I have decided we need to because it's so an intrinsic part of the magic and the unfolding when we follow I call it following the breadcrumbs. you know so This whole thing with you agreeing to go on this big adventure. It was a lot of driving for you that day. A big adventure with me and then trusting me to go that extra mile with the pilgrimage to that particular site that I could feel was the vortex. and so What had actually happened a bit earlier in the day,
00:10:59
Speaker
I had received a message just while you were connected in. We were in some quiet time connecting with the land. I got a message that I was meant to offer you a place in the Peru Retreat. Now, I think at that time, the Peru Retreat was full, but I had an extra spot that I had paid for because a year earlier when I had planned it,
00:11:21
Speaker
I had originally thought I would bring along a support facilitator person, but I don't need them for the Peru retreats because I'm just so anchored in this land. And also the tour guide I work with is so connected and everything. And so I had decided, no, I'm not going to use that. But at no point did I think I would give that spot away. It was just like, okay, that's just something I'm not going to need. So I got this message.
00:11:50
Speaker
And I kind of thought, yeah, I don't know about that, you know, because we'd only just met. So I just kind of like put it out of my mind. And then I think it was like five minutes later, you turned around and you said to me, you know what, I've got to get to
Peru Retreat and Life-Changing Experiences
00:12:06
Speaker
Peru. I can feel I've got to get to Peru. And I remember just thinking, that's really weird. And you would say that right.
00:12:14
Speaker
And then anyway, after such a massive day and we got stuck in traffic on the way back and had ah an impromptu dad's party in the car and I went to bed and by the next morning, I'd completely forgotten about it. And I got a message from my Peruvian tour guide, but it triggered the memory and I thought, oh, that's right. I got that message about Eric yesterday.
00:12:36
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And I thought, this is crazy. You'd kind of invite someone to join a Peru, like join a retreat six weeks out and this and that. And I thought, you know what? Come into cacao ceremony. Ask if this is the guidance. And it was. And by that time, I'd spent enough time with you to know, yeah, I mean, you know, on a soul level, this guy is going to fit beautifully with the group. He's the right frequency and everything. So I did it. I sent you the message and I said, this is going to sound a little bit crazy, but Do you want a free spot in the Peru retreat? And I just want to say to the listeners, please do not hit me up for free spots in my retreats. They do not exist. This is the first time I've ever done it. I don't think it'll ever happen again. It was a divinely woven thing.
00:13:16
Speaker
And then you like just said yes, and you ah you invested in yourself because you had to take the time off work. You had to buy the flights and everything, but it was like this hall to go way outside of anything you'd experienced. You know, it was so far outside of that box, as we're saying, and it's been such a life changing experience for you that I want to dive deeper into some of the things that have awakened in you, the realizations, the way it's changing your timeline and everything. But before we get into the detail, like on an overall perspective, how would you say going to Peru and going to a place you know like that that's so different and sitting in ceremony at that level and having these experiences that were so far out of your realm of
00:14:10
Speaker
normal and day-to-day and previous experiences, how has that changed you? I mean, it's changed me a lot. And before I get into that, I want to speak on, like, you know, we get called to do things because I didn't know you had that intuition or that hit or I didn't know. Like when I was worrying the journey, Kakao and Joshua Tree, my spirit kept saying Peru, Peru, Peru. I'm like, OK, Peru. So when I was saying that and it was coming to myself, I was like, I must have some type of familiarity or some remembrance. There's something there.
00:14:43
Speaker
feels like not home, but feels like a cousin. Like I'm supposed to be in progress for whatever reason. Now, I think what what happened was when you said the message the next day, first of all, I didn't even know you did retreats all over the world. Like I wasn't even invested in, you know, I just was like, oh, you're coming to LA. You wanted to kind of build the land. You wanted to move here. You're willing to do the cacao ceremony for my birthday. I was open. I was on it because I knew my problem in life is receiving.
00:15:13
Speaker
So fast forward to you giving me an offer. and I know from past experiences, it's like eight years ago, when I got a call to go to a big TV show, I didn't know anything about it. I don't think I was ready, but I was open. Right. And I knew I had to say, yes, the circumstances in my life didn't make sense for this was in March, but I got the message to come to Peru from you.
00:15:34
Speaker
and the retreat was in May, I just knew I had to say yes, it was bigger than me. And so by me saying that, it felt like, oh, I'm out of going on a magical experience and it's going to change my life. Because I know nothing comes in your life like that for no reason. Like no opportunities just don't like, you want to go. So I knew there was something great at play. And so going, the great thing about it is to owe me would question everything. I would try to figure out... I would ask so many questions. I was just like, you know what? I'm going here with full trust, full surrenderance, and just allowing and just... I'm there to do something that's never done in my life. Because to be honest, I don't think I shared this with you, but when I saw the option to sit with Wachuma, St. Pedro,
00:16:19
Speaker
I was like, then I was thinking like, there's no way in the world I'm going all the way to Peru and I'm not going to try the medicine. It's no way. It's like, come on, bro. It's like, really? You don't go all the way there and not even try. So I went the first two days were incredible. But here's the thing. I'm afraid of heights. I do not love hiking at all.
00:16:42
Speaker
I enjoy it. I don't love it. So the first thing was the Inca Trail, seven hours. It was great. It was warm. It was nice. And I was like, oh, I'm up high. Wow. Like what's going on? I think what happened was at the end, it started to rain and it was raining bad. I had my rain jacket on. I had my hat.
00:17:01
Speaker
And I was good, but it was like to a point like, bro, like really like this is me talking to myself. Is this really happening? And that's when the Western way of thinking and complaining came in because I just want this to be over. Like I want to get we'll make an all story short. The trip to Peru has really changed my life in a way. I just have new awareness about just nature.
00:17:23
Speaker
Connecting to the lanes, connecting to Asagante, climbing Machu Picchu, speaking to coca leaves and setting intentions and giving authors to Pachamama. Hugging, right? Like I'm learning how to hug, right? Up on the left side. And just being present.
00:17:40
Speaker
without trying to be present, if that makes sense. And just collecting all the energy from the universe and just being thankful for like the little things we do without thinking. like We woke up, right? And gratitude is like, oh, gratitude, it sounds cheesy, but Peru didn't teach me how to feel gratitude. It taught me how to receive gratitude.
00:18:02
Speaker
And that's what I got out of that. I know how to receive gratitude now. And it feels amazing because life is simple when they get this medicine, especially through how you set up the retreat, you, Alki, everybody that was there. I felt like a soul family. It was moments where I cried because of like, this is what I wanted my entire life. It's people I can trust without questioning. And I don't seem weird or different. I just seem a part of the group because we're all in this space together.
00:18:29
Speaker
you know, loving it and being present. So it was great. One of the reasons I wanted to have you on the show is because I see so much, so many reflections in your journey as in my early journey. So I was like you, I was already working in some capacity, and not definitely not at the level that I am now, but I was working in kind of a healing, thought leader kind of capacity before I really Connected in with Peru and I was meditating. I had my own practices and everything, but it wasn't until I, as we say, you know, you get out of your day to day, you get out of your box.
00:19:15
Speaker
that I realized, oh my gosh, there's a level beyond anything I could have imagined of connection. And it was actually through that experience of connection and sacredness and I would say remembering.
00:19:31
Speaker
that I realized how disconnected we are in Western society. Often, even when we're trying to live in a connected way, there are so many things that we don't recognize, like you say, the complaining and things like that, that come in and complaining is second nature to us in Western societies because it's about comfort. Everything is about the comfort zone. Everything is about comfort. When it's cold, we put on heating. When it's hot, we put on air conditioning.
00:20:01
Speaker
you know we expect a food to come at a certain time and you know there's a lot of expectations of how the world should run and this that the other and you get to a place like peru where.
Letting Go of Control and Embracing Flow
00:20:13
Speaker
The elements are just gonna do what they're going to do and the bikes.
00:20:21
Speaker
You know, I say this to people, it's not about your level of fitness. I've had people who are super fit and cardio fit really struggle on the hikes. And then people who are much older and not in great fitness breeze along because the land is teaching you, it will literally ah adjust the difficulty in terms of how you feel, how steep it is, or how you feel the altitude based on what you need. And Peru taught me, it really broke me down. It broke down my ego. It broke down a lot of my Western conditioning. And I've learned since then, you know, with the
00:21:02
Speaker
I didn't think that I complained a lot because Australians are known as being very easygoing and I am an easygoing Australian, but even Australians complain compared to the way that these people are. and It was Alki who gave me guidance on that. and He was pretty strict with me on that as well because he was like, Sia, you're meant to approach these lands.
00:21:24
Speaker
As a local, you can't approach these as a tourist. and He said, I'm going to teach you the Peruvian way. and He was tricked. He explained to me about respect for the land and about the way that the land amplifies our thoughts. and so When we're on these sacred lands and these sacred portals, we don't go into that negativity. We don't go into that complaining. We don't go into that disconnection and that lack of gratitude. and It changed everything for me because once we let go of that, we let go of trying to control our surroundings and make everything a certain way and make everything what we perceive to be easy, which is really just a judgment, right? We make an assessment of what we consider easy versus hard. And when we actually then start to truly connect, so we come out of the disconnection, we come into actual connection. We come out of the discontent and we come into gratitude.
00:22:23
Speaker
and we come out of that fragmentation and we come into presence, all of a sudden life gets so much easier because the things that would previously annoy us or frustrate us, they just don't even register anymore because we're just so in flow and we're not caught up in time and where we're supposed to be and this and that. We're just present and we're flowing and this is where the magic happens. you know When we come out of that Western fragmentation and disconnection. so I love that you've brought that up because that was massive for me on my journey. and I didn't realize how disconnected we are in the modern world until you come to a place like this where you literally just have to let go of that stuff because the land is going to do what it's going to do. The traffic
00:23:13
Speaker
is going to do what it's going to do because there's this whole Peruvian way you can plan things as much as you want. But the way of life here is you have to flow with it. And it was a beautiful teacher. So I love that you've brought that up because that shifts a lot. And I don't think we can truly grasp that.
00:23:33
Speaker
at that level from within the Western society because we don't actually fully see it until we depart from that and we come out of that box and we experience another way and we witness another way with other people. One of the things I want to touch on is the communication with the land. I know you had said to me, you know, Sia, I get it now, I get it.
00:23:56
Speaker
You know, you would say the term or the phrase so much. I'm like, what is she talking about? Like just like, you know, these mountains and this land is medicine. I'm like, OK, medicine, what is medicine? So what I was getting as I was out there was that it is medicine. It was healing for my soul, those hikes.
00:24:15
Speaker
And nature and the mountains, just and all, it's so open to hear you. It's so open to receive whatever you want to give it. If you just sit and be present and just listen to the listening, you will learn so much about the land. You know, I look at leaves different. I look at birds different. I look at the sun different. I look at the concrete there. I look at everything different now because when I got back, I actually went to a park in Beverly Hills and it like some breath work.
00:24:45
Speaker
And I had my eyes closed and I opened my eyes and I literally saw a portal. I was like, wow. I always go to this park. I've been going to this park for four or five years, but it's just like I saw that, oh, that's so portal right there. Oh, I need to come because like my spirit was like, go here and do the breath because the sun was out and I was sitting on a stoop. And then I was like, this is a portal, but I wouldn't have got that, you know, understanding and awareness. I wasn't in Peru, connecting what I also got today and you know, Machu Picchu and all the things out there. It really amplified my intangible gifts, the gifts you can't see.
Synchronicity and Transformation
00:25:21
Speaker
And I do want to speak on a rainbow race, you know, about a few days ago. I don't know what called me to pray to see the rainbow race when I was in the shower. But before I was going to see a client, I was just praying and saying, you know, a lot of rainbow race to show up, you know, them as the most transparent as it can for my client. I don't know the exact prayer. but I wasn't attached to it. Boom. I get to my client house. He got a sprinklers on in his garden.
00:25:50
Speaker
And I see a rainbow. And I'm like like, yeah, oh, well, I need you. Okay. He reminded me like, oh, I've arranged about this. So I'm taking it in. You know, yeah I got my phone. I was just like, I got it. Core this. But he's more of mechanical, logical. He, what are you talking about? He didn't say that, but I know him. So I'm just amazed. I'm like, and I think I sent you a message. And I'm like, that's a I'm like, I'm just happy. Boom. Okay, cool. Betrayed him coaching. He uses the bathroom and he said, you're not going to believe what I'm witnessing. I'm like, what's up? It's a rainbow in the corner of his shower and his bathroom. So his gym is in his guest house and he has like a little window in there. There's a shower, there's a sink, there's a toilet and it's a rainbow in the corner.
00:26:43
Speaker
And from that moment I said, bingo, that's the magic. Now I know he has to believe the spiritual stuff that I've been telling him for years. And by the way, at the end of the session, I pulled three leaves from his garden and we set intentions and he planted them in his garden. And I'm like, I'm in this, in this movie, in this scene, I'm like, is this really happening? Like he's trusting me so much. He doesn't do this.
00:27:12
Speaker
And I was like, that's Peru, that's the rainbow race, thank you. So I shouldn't have to say that so much of Peru has integrated in my vessel since coming back and really understanding the powers that got activated while I was there. And it's a real thing. It's not just something we talk about, it's something we experience and changes our life and we have a spiritual evolution of it all.
00:27:41
Speaker
This blows my mind because this is the ripples that goes out. yeah And I would say, yes, I mean, Peru is incredible. but I mean, like you said, when we met, you didn't know I ran global retreats, but yeah I run retreats in sacred sites in Peru, in Uluru and Kajuta in Australia and other you know powerhouse places in Australia and in South Africa. And so I see this from all of the retreats. People go away.
00:28:08
Speaker
completely transformed. and What I believe it is, is that sacredness, that remembering, like we said at the beginning, we feel it and it exists inside us. and so All it takes is getting out of that box, getting out of our day-to-day, getting out of our realm of reference that we've grown up with,
00:28:30
Speaker
Having this experience where we really awaken that, what I would call sacred co-creation. I mean, you know, my latest book is called the rainbow tablets, abundance and sacred co-creation. It's all about how when we live in our true abundance consciousness, we are unifying earth and stars within ourselves. We are connecting with the land in this way.
00:28:57
Speaker
And we are also connecting with the star realms in this way so everything you just said you know about. You see the leaves differently the birds that mountains you're now getting these cosmic messages you ask the rainbow race to show up and they do i can't tell you i mean i can guarantee.
00:29:14
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Probably 50 or more percent of the listeners are giggling at the moment thinking of a bunch of their own stories of this because I hear it all the time from complete strangers. I get these messages saying, I bought your book and I started reading it and now I'm seeing rainbows everywhere in the most incredible ways and timing and everything. And it's not just rainbows in the sky. It's like what you're seeing. It's rainbow reflections. It's rainbows on clothing. It's this, it's that.
00:29:41
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and It's because we're tapping into that frequency of remembering. so We're bringing in that star frequency, that cosmic remembering. We're awakening the cosmic wisdom within ourselves, but then we're also awakening the magic and consciousness all around us on this earth plane. and We start to interact with it differently.
00:30:01
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so Yes, it transforms us and it brings so much magic into our lives, but it
San Pedro Experience and Healing
00:30:06
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ripples out. and I love that. I love that you're now sharing that with clients and and especially clients that wouldn't normally be into this stuff. and This happened to me even before I moved to Peru. I kind of hit a point in my corporate career.
00:30:21
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where I just thought, I'm not going to be two different people anymore. I'm not going to pretend to be one way in the corporate space and then, ah you know, true self. And I just started showing up at work and I was sharing with people my experiences around Campbell and my experiences in Peru. And I was talking to them about my sound healing and everything. And it was just like I had a constant line at my desk of people wanting to come and talk about things, because what I realized was Even in the corporate space where you think these people aren't open to that, everybody has that stirring of remembering within themselves, but most people don't have access to the exploration of it. so When someone starts to share this, they might be a little bit skeptical at first, but then they like something overrides it. Something within them is like, No, but wait, I want to explore this, you know, and it's a beautiful thing. It's incredible that it can ripple out in the most amazing, amazing ways. I know one of the biggest parts of Peru. I mean, I know it was all big, but one of the biggest parts of Peru for you.
00:31:32
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was sitting with San Pedro, the plant medicine. so For the listeners who don't know that, he is known locally as Wachuma. He is the grandfather consciousness. so This is an actual plant teacher. He is consciousness. He is so beautiful. He's known as a heart medicine, an incredible, incredible wisdom keeper, guide, teacher,
00:31:55
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And we sat in a very sacred way the wachira that we sit with. here Her name is Leslie Mayberg and I've actually done ah an episode with her so for anyone interested in hearing from her go back through season two, it's called How to Work with Plant Medicines, but she's phenomenal. She's so deeply embodied. She's been serving the medicine for and holding really beautiful ceremonies for over, gosh, over 25 years now.
00:32:20
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We were on sacred land, we were right opposite the temple of the moon, so it was just phenomenal. But can you share a little bit about that was your first time right sitting with Plant Medicine? Yeah. And I want to kind of get people context when it comes to like medicine or drugs, anything, you know, I've never in my life smoked weed, marijuana. Never. Only thing I ever did was drink. I was such a control. I'm trying to control everything. Right. Because of fear or just I saw so many bad things happen to people I love that would smoke or who would do drugs. Right.
00:32:52
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So for me, this was a big step. This was a big leap. This wasn't like, oh yeah, I'm about to sit with some client medicine and get a download and my life is going to change. This is like, I've never in my life sat with any medicine. I'm not doing that. I'm disciplined. So with that being said, the first time sitting with the medicine,
00:33:13
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You don't know what to expect, right? Cause you've never done it. You don't have the experience. You don't have, you just don't know. So I knew like maybe 25, 30 minutes in, started feeling like, and Leslie was saying, she says, you're going to feel woozy. You're going to feel a little, but because I wasn't, I've never experienced, I'm like, am I drunk? Am I high? Like what is going on? And honestly, I was afraid to get up because I thought I would fall.
00:33:40
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and I'm so weak and then there's moments I'm super happy and then I'm crying and I'm sad. So there was like a area within um the sacred site where we were holding the medicine, sitting with the medicine. I just went back there and know I remember like I got flashbacks in my third eye now and I could see it and I just laid down and I took a deep breath and then like grandfather was just talking to me. It's like,
00:34:06
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No more giving, you gotta learn how to receive. In order to be the king, you have to receive and you gotta ask for help. I'm like, what? I asked for help, how do I ask for help? We just asked. And then I started getting more messages like, by the way, those messages you're getting, you can't write them. You gotta ask for what, I started crying more like, what?
00:34:26
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And I didn't know it was so hard for me to hack someone to do something as small and simple as, can you write this down for me? So I was fighting to be honest, as I was fighting, I was laying there and I got the urge to just get up and I was looking for Sia and I was looking for you.
00:34:42
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And as soon as I saw her sit, I just broke down in tears. And she's like, are you okay? It's like, okay, sit here. And I promise you, she wrote probably like eight messages. And it's like something left me. like It's like, I kind of like relaxed and all I remember you hearing was like, yeah, yeah, that's the softening. That's the divine feminine. And I'll tell you that. It was like, I was in a movie. Like my master's like,
00:35:08
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It's good, isn't it? It's okay. You need anything else? Okay, you continue the journey. I was like, wow. I'm receiving. Damn, it feels great to receive. It was so beautiful because in that moment, I was like, I see why people do this. I get it. And then I started getting like different visions. like how wrong See, we got to bring this to states. Where's the camera? We got to bring TV in. People need to see this. What I said more important, people need to see me like this because I appear to be so strong and so confident. They need to see me weak and vulnerable like this where I can't hold on to my toxic masculine no more. I got to soften. I got to receive.
00:35:57
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And the medicine is, I became the medicine, like the second time around. Oh, that's just was coming like this. Oh, oh, oh. And like, oh, grandpa, let's go. And I got to a point like, I want to cry more. Like, come on, tears. I was getting, you know, downloads about black race and that we're disease. I mean, it's so much I could share, but. And more importantly, the medicine changed my life. It opened up my heart and the message I got, at least for me and men, I think.
00:36:24
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we have to be broken to become whole again. And broken doesn't mean like shattered and someone, but you got to be vulnerable. Like you got to let that side come to the light and it's okay. And that's how you soften and you bring it together and you can create that divine union within self. And then, you know, you can create it with a partner or person that you love, but that person in partner needs to happen to you. And so I was broken. Grandfather broke me.
00:36:50
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to become whole and it felt good. And I release and I was like, okay, here we are. oh Oh my gosh, even just hearing you talk about it. My heart is bathing. My face is smiling so much that my cheeks hurting. This to me is healing masculinity. This is what it means beyond masculinity. And I also, as you're talking about this, so there's a couple of like dots that I want to join. So what we didn't realize when we were seeing the hummingbird in Joshua Tree is the hummingbird is the guardian of San Pedro.
00:37:26
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And you realize during the medicine, you were like, Sia, the hummingbird in Joshua Tree, it was San Pedro calling me. And you were just saying to me as we started today that you had a hummingbird come up to your window where you are in l LA and you're like, I've lived here for ages. I've never had one come up to the window like that. So the medicine is staying with you. Grandfather is staying with you. And I love that. And I love that differentiation as well, because I remember I'm also someone who's never taken drugs in my life. I've never even tried weed.
00:37:56
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I never really drank either. I drank a couple of times when I was maybe like 18, 19, early 20s because obviously the drinking age is younger in Australia. But it was never because I wanted to. I hated the frequency of it. I could feel how low frequency it was. It was because my friends were pushing me. And then I hit a point in my 20s where I'm just like, guys, I'm not going to do what I don't want to do anymore.
00:38:17
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you know so It got to the point where my friends were totally accepting of the fact that I didn't drink, I was never going to take drugs or anything like that. so The first time that I heard about plant medicine, I thought it was a drug. I came from a Western mindset and I was like, there's no way I'm taking drugs and everything. and It took me a couple of years actually to understand that this has nothing to do with drugs. this is consciousness. This is sacred. these are like Obviously, now people like us, we know that for anything that we want to heal, the cure is in nature. we don't need the and i mean okay There might be occasional
00:38:56
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things where we do need medical or pharmaceutical intervention, either because the natural remedy has been pushed into extinction or we don't have access to it. But, you know, you heard Leslie talk about she's seen so many people cure cancer. With San Pedro, I cured my asthma, lifelong asthma. I had been through breathing rehabilitation multiple times. They did x-rays of my lungs and The outer 30% of both of my lungs were not functional. I was on two puffers, a steroid and ah an inhaler, four times a day. and Then I arrived in Peru, sat with grandfather twice, and I've never touched a puffer's hands. I've never had problems with needing breathing rehabilitation or anything. so you know This is phenomenal and it's so different to anything we've experienced.
00:39:48
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but What I love about your journey is when I saw you soften, it was the most beautiful thing.
Addressing Toxic Masculinity and Ancestral Trauma
00:39:58
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It was the most beautiful thing. And it reminds me of when we were in Joshua Tree.
00:40:04
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And when you sat with Cacao, and obviously, you know, for the listeners, yes, you had actually technically sat with planned medicine before because Cacao is a planned medicine. But when we say it was your first time, we're talking about one of those bigger journeys like you have with San Pedro.
00:40:20
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And when you sat with the cacao, you had a bit of a softening there and you had to open into trust. And then building on that trust was where San Pedro took you, where he showed you it's safe.
00:40:35
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to feel vulnerable. It's safe to let in your divine feminine and not have to be so guarded where the masculine becomes distorted into the toxic masculine. you know We spoke at Joshua Tree and I said to you, because I've had black boyfriends before and there's an energy that can sometimes come through because of the ancestral trauma and because of everything that's happened, that there's this really hard edge there's this just kind of like fight energy that can actually come through as quite a distorted masculine energy and we spoke about that in Joshua Tree and it was incredible to see you in Wachuma healing that and then you got so much information about the black race and
00:41:23
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you know, what people need to do to be able to heal. And I really hope, I know you told me at that time that you're planning to write a book about it, so I hope you do do that because that would be yeah phenomenal, you know. But just seeing ancestral things aside, just seeing from your own experience of how knowing, you know, for the listeners, maybe they're hearing you for the first time,
00:41:45
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Eric grew up in the hood, he grew up in a neighborhood where there was lots of drugs, people in his family were involved in drugs, you know people getting shot on the street, it was hardcore. and You came out of that and you chose that you wanted to be a different way, but you've always had to fight. you know and you've always to be really disciplined and there hasn't been that feeling of safety in the softness and you have been because you want to create the change in the world and because you're dedicated in being a thought leader your focus has been on giving but you weren't able to receive so to see that balance of that beautiful divine feminine come in that was incredible to witness.
00:42:25
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Yeah, I think to take people on a journey that we spoke earlier. So, Joshua Tree, I got my crown. So, when I got to Peru, like I said, the first two days was Inca Trail de Machu Picchu, Demi Selva de Medicine, if I'm saying it right. While I was in the medicine, the grandfather was saying the hiking was your king activation.
00:42:46
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before you could come see me as part of the pilgrimage. I couldn't just come sit with the medicine. I had to go on a journey of hiking the mountains and going through high or low, whatever. And I realized like, wow, sometimes in life or most times in life, you got to go through a journey to get where you want to go. And sometimes being in the West, we just want it right away. So even if we get something right away, we can't even appreciate the value that it has because we haven't earned it.
00:43:13
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The thing with the medicine, which you do with these retreats, you earn your keep, you earn a message, you earn a download because you're not just sitting with the medicine every other day. You're hiking, you're learning and setting intentions to the land and giving offerings. And then I realized the grandfather is someone I've been looking for my entire life and a man. I've been looking for that mentor, you know, like who can I look up to, who can I trust?
00:43:38
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And now that I have those two you know experiences in the Josh Retreat because he was one who initiated the trust, and then the Humminbird came and then we got the Peru, and then I accepted the trust through the medicine. Now it's just the remembrance of just standing in that with full faith and confidence.
Embracing Love and Co-Creating with Nature
00:43:54
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And I think Being in the other timeline that I was in, it distorted everything, especially my love. I have so much love for people in life that there were moments here, I don't know if I ever told you this, that people would judge like, why are you always like this? You're too happy, you're too positive. And I think when we were sitting in the medicine, I started crying when I was talking to the group. Joy and happiness really saved me from my pain.
00:44:18
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Like, because that one kept me going. But now it's like I'm fully engulfed in just sharing and being in love and not hiding from it. And like you said, being vulnerable. So the medicine works. Peru is sacred. The people do everything with love. I'm just so thankful to have that experience. And I'm always have it in my mind. And I just want to give back when I can, you know, and do something there for the people.
00:44:44
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and just continue to journey in a different way because like you said, I became the medicine and it's a real thing. Yeah, I love that that. Again, I'm just so reminded by me earlier on in my journey because I see so much of that in your experience. And that's why I wanted to share this because when we follow that call, that remembering, and I remember when your first day when you arrived here in Cusco or maybe it was your second day and you just said, see, yeah I feel like I'm home. This feels like home to me. I know this place. And I have felt that so many times where
00:45:21
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places have called me and I've gone and I've just had these spontaneous tears of, I'm back, you know, and it's just the land is embracing me. and And I've shared this before, it was actually an Aboriginal uncle who first taught me about the reverence with the land and how we introduce ourselves to the land and ask the permissions and everything, which is what you were talking about.
00:45:46
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that i do with opening up the portal and way that we approach to joshua tree and everything and then once i came and lived in per peru that way of living just went to a whole other. Deep a level of embodiment and understanding and so i'm so glad that you shared your experience because what i want people to know is that.
00:46:07
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to get that massive leap in consciousness, to make that huge timeline shift and really come back to the truth of who we are. Sometimes we can get it just from reading the books and from doing the online programs. And even if we can't get it fully from that, we will get a massive shift from that. But there's something else to be gained from when we leave everything that we know and everything that's familiar and we go somewhere else and we have a deep experience And we connect deeply with the land and receive from the land. And as you've said, the medicines that you receive on a journey like that, whether it be a plant medicine, whether it be the medicine of the mountains, whether it be the medicine of the condors or the hummingbirds or whatever it might be, they walk with you.
00:46:52
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After that they become your team your face team your allies your guardians and. I actually have a medicine pouch that was gifted to me from the father of my god daughter and i have inside it so many different crystals or rocks or shells or whatever from.
00:47:11
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very special places to me because these lands want to be with me. and Obviously, I have always asked permission you know before taking anything from anywhere and quite a few of those things have actually been offered to me from someone indigenous at those lands saying, this land wants to walk with you. and When I'm struggling, you know I had a challenging week this last week. I literally got out all of my team from my medicine pouch. I laid them all out and I Connected and communicated and talked to each and every one of them and I cried you know I cried because I felt their love I felt how much they were supporting me and I was asking what do I need to do to anchor in this next highest timeline that I'm grounding in and and the answer was ask the lands to help because the lands are going to help you.
00:48:04
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To anchor it so this is sacred co-creation this is sacred co-creation in motion and there's a line in the new book where. I'm probably not gonna get it exactly right but it says you know you are abundance you are abundance in motion because you are the living breathing embodiment of sacred co-creation.
00:48:23
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And you everything that we've spoken about is exactly that. And I'm so grateful to you for sharing this and just even just looking at your face, looking at your body, like your smile, your eyes. You are different now. I can see it. You are different. And I mean, you were incredible before, but You're more you now. and yeah Yeah, you know what I mean? And you're more whole and I could feel that beautiful, like, yes, now the masculine feels like divine masculine and then you've got the divine feminine and you just feel so embodied and it's beautiful to witness. Yeah.
00:49:03
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Yeah. And I think this is what, you know, I would at least say, you know, black men, this is what we fight against that. We don't know is that we can't be our true self. Like I've always been spiritual, i've always been a different thinker and, you know, felt things that I didn't know about. And I just hit it from myself and others because it didn't make sense for the environment. And one of the messages I want to share with the audience, I don't know if you have any people from, you know, African-American descent, black or minorities or whatever.
00:49:30
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It's bigger than colors, but, you know, black racist and human race. And it's not about, you know, colors, about energy. And the message the grandfather gave me is that when black people stop fighting, you know, we'll stop dying. And dying doesn't mean like literally, but like emotionally, mentally, spiritually, energetically.
00:49:49
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like We don't have to fight. We can just let go and trust and become the power that we are, the love that we are, and be loved. We don't have to experience and express our pain, but if we don't have the information, we don't have the activations, we don't have things like this medicine, then it's hard to kind of like be present with the love that we have. and I just realized like as even men, we don't hug. man We don't hug. and We don't hug each other. like What's wrong with a hug?
00:50:18
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So I just think the medicine in Peru, the mountains, it's so simple, but it's everything. It's like earth, it's like the universe. It's like, it's so simple, but it's everything and all is everything and all of us is one. And I feel like Peru brought me back to my oneness. Like I can be however I am just like this. I don't have to look or be. I can just be present and say, this is how I
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
00:50:44
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feel. I feel happy. I feel whole.
00:50:46
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I feel fulfilled because I did something for my soul and not for my flesh and my life change. That's what I need timeline. Thanks to Peru and the retreat and, you know, Sia and everything you provided and Leslie and just everybody, the group, you guys held so much sacred space for someone like me just to receive the peace and harmony of the land without no questioning, you know?
00:51:12
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And you were the one that stepped into it. You know, I always say to people, we can create the space and we can create the invitation, but it's up to the person to step into it. So, you know, again, I look back at, as you said, it was March. I invited you. The retreat was in May. That was, most people had been booked into that retreat for at least four or five months.
00:51:34
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You said, yes, you took the opportunity. You invested in yourself. you know You had to buy air tickets. You had to take time off work. You showed up for yourself. and Other people can only create the space, but when it comes down to it, it's how we show up for ourselves and the gifts are just absolutely infinite. Oh, Eric, I know we could keep talking for hours. We'll wrap it up there. so I just want to say to the listeners, if you do want to experience sacred lands, check out my website. I've got the dates up for my next Peru retreat, my Australian retreats, my South Africa retreat. Eric, everything you share is so inspirational. so People can find you on Instagram at ericbigger. Thank you so, so much for joining us today. and yeah I'm just so excited to see
00:52:26
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what you now birth forward and share in the world in this new higher timeline. It's really exciting.
00:52:35
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