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1 Million Chapatis a Day? Kenyans React to Ruto’s Chapati Machine Promise!
24 Plays5 months ago
President William Ruto promised schools in Nairobi a machine to make one million chapatis each day! Kenyans quickly reacted with jokes, questions, and serious debates. Patrick and Kimaru discuss if this promise is realistic or just another funny story. They talk about how costly chapatis are, if it's smart spending, and whether important things like roads, healthcare, and jobs should come first. Listen to funny stories, understand why chapatis mean so much to Kenyan kids, and find out why people worry mama chapati might lose her job. Join us to laugh and learn as we explore if one million chapatis each day is a smart idea or just a tasty joke!
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Transcript
Introduction and Trending Story
00:00:01
Patrick Abure
Welcome to the Spack It podcast with Patrick CJ and Kimaru Baby. Kimaru Baby, you're welcome. How are you doing?
00:00:12
Kimaru
Thank you. um I'm doing great, honestly. can't complain. I feel blessed. So can't wait to have this conversation, yeah?
00:00:21
Patrick Abure
Amazing.
00:00:22
Patrick Abure
Yeah. ah So I woke up this morning and I looked through Facebook and I saw this trending story to do with the chapatties.
00:00:22
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:00:25
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:00:28
Kimaru
Okay.
00:00:35
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:00:37
Patrick Abure
in Kenya.
Presidential Chapati Promise
00:00:39
Patrick Abure
And yes, so chapati is the latest trending topic in Kenya.
00:00:39
Kimaru
Yes.
00:00:42
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:00:46
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:00:47
Patrick Abure
And I was just wondering, like, what's all about the chapati thing in Kenya?
00:00:48
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:00:54
Patrick Abure
It looks like I am behind the news.
00:00:55
Kimaru
ah
00:00:58
Kimaru
Oh, wow. I think our president has a way of making stuff trend. Yeah, so that's kind of the latest from, you know, his desk. He promised pupils at a school that he will buy a machine that would make a million chapatis a day so that it can contribute to a school feeding program that was started by the governor of Nairobi county it's called um dish in a county this she is like food yeah yeah it's like slang for for food because chocolate is kiswahili but dish in a way slang for your food yeah
00:01:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:01:36
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:01:41
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
School Feeding Program Details
00:01:43
Kimaru
Oh, yeah. So this program was actually started in 2023 by the county government of Nairobi, headed by Sakaja, who is the governor. Yeah, and their goal was to... They say that one in four students don't have, like, a nutritious meal to keep them going through a school day.
00:02:01
Kimaru
That's why they introduced that dish in our county. It's sort of almost... If you know Food for Education, that's what, like, Food for Education has been advocating for. And I actually think their are partners...
00:02:12
Kimaru
in this. So when they started this program, um when they started Dishina County, they wanted to ah have like ah children in Nairobi get hot meals every lunch and to make sure that students were sort of kind of included in their, you know, in this whole idea of we're bringing you food at school.
00:02:14
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:02:36
Kimaru
the The kids pay or the parents pay like five shillings per meal Yeah, so they have, ayagu was actually doing a bit of research on that. they have ah
00:02:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:02:46
Kimaru
ah something they call tap to eat. It's a wristband they wear on their hands and it's actually connected to, it's it's supposed to streamline the meals, like how many meals a kid has a day.
00:03:01
Kimaru
And so it monitors like the payment and also if like the student attendance, because if a student doesn't attend, you can easily monitor through that wristband and know that, oh, this school may be, this kid may be missed school.
00:03:10
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:03:16
Kimaru
because they didn't log in yeah and also like parents can um
00:03:16
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:03:20
Kimaru
can load like credits to the to that wristband using their M-Pesa. So it sounds like actually a very fancy, I didn't know much about it, but after this chapati thing, yeah, I think honestly the county government is doing something really nice.
00:03:30
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:03:36
Kimaru
And now to the chapati story.
Chapati's Cultural Significance
00:03:38
Kimaru
So apparently the ah governor told the president, they were doing like a school visit or something. You know, lately the president has been going around the,
00:03:47
Kimaru
the county in different stops and he went to a school.
00:03:49
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:03:51
Kimaru
ah the The governor had talked to those kids and he's like, what do you want us to add to your meals? The kids are like, chapati.
00:03:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:03:59
Kimaru
You know, chapati in Kenya has been revered. You know, it's like something I remember like when you were kids, actually, we used to only eat chapatis in December, like during Christmas.
00:04:12
Patrick Abure
Wow.
00:04:12
Kimaru
it was it was that you know It was that thing you would anticipate and sometimes you would hear, you would feel like the smell, somebody's cooking chapatis in their home and it's not a holiday.
00:04:22
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:04:23
Kimaru
And it was such a big deal.
00:04:24
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:04:25
Kimaru
So for the governor to have asked the kids what they want and the kids said chapati, So when they had this meeting at the school, including now the president, the president says, oh, you know, the governor has told me that you guys need chapatis to be included in the in your school feeding program.
00:04:35
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:04:43
Kimaru
i will You know the promises that politicians make. So he told them that he's going to get a machine. They can prepare one million chapatis a day.
00:04:55
Kimaru
And the kids are like, yeah.
00:04:56
Patrick Abure
One million.
00:04:59
Kimaru
Yes, one million chapatis.
00:05:00
Patrick Abure
That's a lot of chapatis.
00:05:02
Kimaru
Oh, and now after that, Kenyans got busy. That's why youre you've seen that online.
00:05:13
Kimaru
Yeah, that's the genesis of the chapatis and why they are trending and why people are wearing chapatis as clothes. as but What have you seen, though, by the way?
00:05:24
Kimaru
Because it's so hilarious.
00:05:27
Patrick Abure
It is. Yeah.
00:05:29
Kimaru
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
00:05:29
Patrick Abure
i Because I saw... I watched a couple of videos...
00:05:33
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:05:35
Patrick Abure
And I saw these ones basically where a they the governor, I think, was asking the peoples and the peoples asked for chapatis.
00:05:42
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:05:48
Patrick Abure
And then another segment where
00:05:51
Kimaru
hu
00:05:53
Patrick Abure
another video where the president was also asking the peoples the same question. And they were like, yeah, we want chapatis.
00:06:06
Kimaru
wants chapati. I think even Patrick wants chapati, right?
00:06:12
Kimaru
See, you said you're a fan of chapati.
00:06:15
Patrick Abure
i am I am a big lover of chapati.
00:06:18
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:06:20
Patrick Abure
I love chapati. Yeah.
00:06:22
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:06:22
Patrick Abure
So, I mean, technically, if you had to ask me, it's going to be a yes. Oh, man.
00:06:27
Kimaru
Oh, wow. Wow. So it looks like if you were in that school, you would have been like the biggest cheerleader of these chapatis coming. And you're like, please, chapatis, chapatis, chapatis.
00:06:41
Kimaru
hey Yeah, I see.
00:06:42
Patrick Abure
oh man
00:06:43
Kimaru
yeah People do love chapati. I don't know. A funny thing is that I know how to cook chapati, but I think I don't fancy chapati that much.
00:06:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:06:51
Kimaru
But I enjoy cooking chapati for people and people love it.
00:06:53
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:06:54
Kimaru
So I don't know. It's, as I said, it's something that people, for the longest, like most people don't necessarily eat it every day. So it becomes like that meal you enjoy, you know, when you come across it.
00:07:02
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:07:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:07
Kimaru
So, Yeah.
00:07:09
Patrick Abure
Yeah, it is. And I came across this story um from, and anyway, a newspaper in ni Kenya.
00:07:20
Patrick Abure
And they were saying that the president promised to deliver these machines to every school. LAUGHTER
00:07:28
Kimaru
really? Interesting. Damn. Looks like the kids will be eating chapattis until they'll get bored, honestly, if this happens.
00:07:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:07:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah, and the kids were asking for addition of meat to the chapatis.
00:07:45
Kimaru
who Oh, no, actually, speaking of ah which, you know, the Rebbe Kenyans have been making fun of that idea of chapati. So ah people were asking, now that the president has promised to give kids chapati at school, should they carry their own stew?
00:07:54
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:08:01
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:07
Kimaru
Oh my God. It's, it's honestly, yeah. Should they carry like their own stew to school or something? Or I know some people asking, can we also like get the chapatis? We can come with our own stew.
00:08:18
Patrick Abure
I'm telling you. Oh, man.
Economic Impact and Sustainability
00:08:24
Kimaru
And honestly, like but also, ah but before maybe we even even go further into this conversation, you see the Dishina County program, they say that it has employed, like ara it has created like around 5,000 jobs.
00:08:31
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:08:36
Kimaru
And also like most of the things they cook, they are usually like locally sourced from farmers.
00:08:36
Patrick Abure
Wow.
00:08:41
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:08:42
Kimaru
If it's like rice, they get rice from Moya. Moya is in a place in in Kenya called Kirinyaga. So they they they their rice is usually called moya because their rice farms, so if I can't remember what you call rice, whatever's plantation or something, it's moya tebere.
00:08:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:08:59
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:09:00
Kimaru
So yeah, so they say they get their rice from there. Seems like they're promoting local agriculture.
00:09:09
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:09:11
Patrick Abure
Contributing to the local economy.
00:09:13
Kimaru
Yeah, and they say they actually, the Dishina County, they say they they feed like around 310,000 people a day. So if really that number is true, then I guess they are doing amazing.
00:09:21
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:09:25
Patrick Abure
Yeah, and also honestly, like considering there are so many reports that basically say um that link, for example, performance in school, ah academic performance with, for example, sometimes food and other kind of social issues that people might be going.
00:09:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:09:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:43
Kimaru
the
00:09:48
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:09:49
Patrick Abure
So food is like a very critical part. of the learning journey. So it's good to see that ah Nairobi County is doing that.
00:09:54
Kimaru
That's true.
00:09:59
Kimaru
I hope
00:10:00
Patrick Abure
um And probably many other schools are doing a similar thing in other counties as well.
00:10:03
Kimaru
so.
00:10:07
Patrick Abure
That is not making it to the media.
00:10:07
Kimaru
i hope so Yeah, I hope they actually do because i remember when we were in school, food was like such a big deal.
00:10:13
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:10:15
Kimaru
Like like these kids are during lunch hour, during my time, who could ah who did not probably carry like a meal. So I remember like for a class, we used to sort of like contribute.
00:10:27
Kimaru
So you'll find that if you come with something, you give them a small share.
00:10:27
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:10:32
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:10:32
Kimaru
So by the end of the day, that kid has eaten actually a lot of food because kids were used to be a bit generous, especially for, I can speak for my class.
00:10:39
Kimaru
Yeah, but there's kids who miss out on on food, like a lunch. And then that means, of course, they would not their performance wouldn wouldn't be as good as you said.
00:10:44
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:10:48
Kimaru
So, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:10:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah, absolutely.
00:10:51
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And I was, so because I came across these pictures where basically like roads within Kenyan towns have been painted with chapati, like there's chapati all over the place.
00:10:51
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:10:56
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. That's awesome. ahha
00:11:09
Patrick Abure
And I was like, yeah, is Kenya secretly preparing for the chapati Olympics?
00:11:11
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:11:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:11:21
Patrick Abure
Because with one million chapatis daily, Kenya will definitely take the
00:11:26
Kimaru
That's a lot of difficulties.
00:11:31
Kimaru
I swear, that's like a lot, a lot of chapatis, honestly. You could actually say, yes, we are we are preparing for some Olympic for, you know, or whatever. But chapati marabons, they're going to...
00:11:42
Patrick Abure
Chapati Olympics.
00:11:44
Kimaru
I think now we won't even have to rely on our athletes to do the thing. We just need to line up the chapatis. And since most of the times they just look similar, you know, if you you start with one and just, you know, at the end of the finishing line, we already won.
00:11:54
Patrick Abure
ah
00:12:02
Kimaru
Because the chapatras are already on the finishing line. But I don't know.
00:12:05
Patrick Abure
Oh, man.
00:12:07
Kimaru
I feel like um people have used the AI to generate ah lots of images. And i think, according to me, it's being used...
00:12:13
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:16
Kimaru
um in a very satirical way ah to talk about the politics in Kenya right now.
00:12:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:24
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:24
Kimaru
And especially because Kenyans have sort of had issues with the current government, especially since last year.
00:12:31
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:12:33
Kimaru
So ah them like say talking about the chapatis and the reason why I think it's actually trending, it's because people are actually being sarcastic about it.
00:12:33
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Obviously.
00:12:43
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:12:44
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:47
Kimaru
Yeah, that's why it's on. and And you know, by the way, in Kikuyu, now that a Kikuyu, in Kikuyu, we call chapati shah fa she shafashi.
00:12:53
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:12:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:58
Kimaru
You get? Yes, shafashi.
00:13:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:01
Kimaru
So remember, so what what people have been doing, like, let me give an example that I have seen.
00:13:01
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:13:06
Kimaru
sure ah There's the social health...
00:13:07
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:10
Kimaru
Social health something, the most recent whatever that was introduced, sure, means, why am i even forgetting?
00:13:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:17
Kimaru
Yes, but it is the most recent introduced whatever for insurance, health insurance in Kenya.
00:13:22
Patrick Abure
oh
00:13:23
Kimaru
we used to have another health insurance that was called HIF.
00:13:28
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:28
Kimaru
But now the gu the the current government did away with that system and decided to ah transfer Kenyans to a new system. that's called SHA for the health insurance. Yes.
00:13:40
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:41
Kimaru
And funny thing is that it has not been working. People have been, when it was introduced, I don't think there was a lot of civic education that was done around it or a bit of awareness.
00:13:52
Kimaru
So
Critique of Government Priorities
00:13:53
Kimaru
there has been lot of issues with the whole transferring us to like a new system. and people have, there's people who have had to pay with their lives. And there's just a lot of things that are not working with the system.
00:14:06
Kimaru
There's like private hospitals that have withdrawn from being part of this share.
00:14:06
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:14:11
Kimaru
So it means that if you go to a hospital, You have to dig deeper into your pockets if you go to a private hospital to pay for ah you know for services.
00:14:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:20
Kimaru
So for sha, now you see when you call it, because chapatin kikui is in ah ah sha-fa-shi, so you see now what people are doing?
00:14:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:14:27
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:14:28
Kimaru
They are like sha, they put it in caps.
00:14:32
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:14:33
Kimaru
Then fa-shi.
00:14:37
Kimaru
But what they're trying to communicate is, you know, I think it's more about, oh, so we can have chapati, but we cannot have a working health system.
00:14:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:14:47
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:14:49
Patrick Abure
Honestly, i i definitely came across comments that suggest such a sentiment, like online.
00:14:50
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:14:55
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:14:59
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:15:00
Patrick Abure
ah Yeah, like for for for me, I think what i noticed was that Kenyans are not...
00:15:02
Kimaru
her
00:15:10
Patrick Abure
particularly against the one million chapatis, right?
00:15:14
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:15:18
Kimaru
hu who
00:15:18
Patrick Abure
Or even the guy that basically asked for this one million chapati machine.
00:15:27
Kimaru
Yes.
00:15:28
Patrick Abure
I think people are just mad that there are other issues.
00:15:33
Patrick Abure
You know, like, for example, there's no...
00:15:34
Kimaru
who
00:15:34
Kimaru
Yes.
00:15:36
Patrick Abure
proper drainage.
00:15:39
Kimaru
Yes.
00:15:40
Patrick Abure
There are poor roads.
00:15:41
Kimaru
In Nairobi especially. he
00:15:43
Patrick Abure
Exactly. The health sector is still unhealthy. Like, there's so many things.
00:15:57
Kimaru
True,
00:16:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah. There's shortage of water supply.
00:16:01
Kimaru
true, true.
00:16:04
Patrick Abure
There are no jobs for youth, you know, and and and women and and men in Nairobi.
00:16:07
Kimaru
the
00:16:10
Patrick Abure
So I totally see, like, you know, why people are mad about this.
00:16:17
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:16:17
Patrick Abure
and
00:16:18
Patrick Abure
And I also see why others are not mad because they're like, you know what? You can't study when you're hungry. Yeah.
00:16:18
Kimaru
Priorities.
00:16:25
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:16:25
Kimaru
uh-huh.
00:16:27
Kimaru
But you know, speaking of which, I think it's more about, ah what is it called, misplaced priorities.
00:16:29
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:16:34
Kimaru
Because for example, there's a school I know of in Trukana that was trending a while back.
00:16:34
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:16:39
Kimaru
There's this comedian in Kenya called Ericomondi. Ericomondi had gone to that school and built them a structure.
00:16:43
Patrick Abure
yeah yeah
00:16:46
Kimaru
And then somebody came and demolished that. It was a structure i made of iron sheets. Somebody demolished that structure.
00:16:52
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:16:54
Kimaru
And that was like somebody put in some effort to make sure that these kids have a classroom because they didn't have a classroom. I think they were actually studying under a tree, if I'm not wrong, in northern Kenya.
00:17:04
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:17:05
Kimaru
Yeah. So how how are you buying us a machine that can make also 1 million chapatis
00:17:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:12
Kimaru
instead of probably building a school or a classroom for such kids, for example, is really chapati a priority?
00:17:18
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:17:20
Kimaru
And you know, chapati is a bit of a luxury in Kenya, especially for the most common ah Kenyan, everyday Kenyan.
00:17:28
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:29
Kimaru
It costs a lot to prepare chapati. Because even right now, chapati, if you go to, like you see the way people cook chapati on the road or something like that.
00:17:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:38
Kimaru
If you go buy chapati right now, just one.
00:17:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:42
Kimaru
it's And it's small. It's not so big. It retails at around 20 25 shillings.
00:17:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:49
Kimaru
So if it's that expensive to make one chapati, it means maybe the disgruntledies probably find them an easier meal, use that money to build a school somewhere, you know.
00:17:52
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:58
Patrick Abure
yeah yeah
00:18:01
Kimaru
are
00:18:01
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:18:02
Kimaru
But you can be like, you're promising to give us chapati when there's more, ah what like what's your priority, honestly? That's what I would think Kenyans are thinking right now, what's your priority?
00:18:13
Patrick Abure
Right, right.
00:18:13
Kimaru
Or maybe that's what I'm thinking.
00:18:15
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:18:20
Kimaru
Yeah, it just goes to show sort of like misplaced priorities. I feel like it sounds so fancy to definitely provide chapatis. And maybe it is good to provide chapatis at some point.
00:18:29
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:18:31
Kimaru
Maybe kids deserve to eat chapatis, even if it's once in a while. But the reason why for me, maybe as on in my personal view, I'd be like chapatis is not a priority is because, as I have said,
00:18:36
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:18:43
Kimaru
There's a school probably that doesn't have a classroom.
00:18:43
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:18:45
Kimaru
There's a school that doesn't have enough teachers.
00:18:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:18:48
Kimaru
And let me just give you, I actually got a screenshot. um
00:18:52
Patrick Abure
Okay.
00:18:53
Kimaru
There was this there was this ah journalist called Stephen Leto. He works ah at Citizen.
00:19:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:01
Kimaru
So he did like a breakdown of how much it will cost students. to do these chapatis per day. So they say a one packet of the unga will give you one packet of, I think it's two kg unga, gives you wheat, gives you like wheat fly, I mean, it gives you 25 chapatis.
00:19:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:15
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:19
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:20
Kimaru
So you need 40,000 packets per day to make 1 million chapatis.
00:19:21
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:19:26
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:19:27
Kimaru
Yes, one of one packet of that i requires you to have like half a liter of cooking oil So 40,000 packets will need you to to have 20,000 liters per day.
00:19:36
Patrick Abure
Mm hmm.
00:19:42
Kimaru
You see the economics around these.
00:19:43
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:45
Kimaru
So then they say like one packet of that unga costs 164 shillings.
00:19:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:19:52
Kimaru
That's like a dollar or something, around $1.5, yeah. And then um half a liter of cooking oil goes for 189 Kenya shillings.
00:19:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:20:03
Kimaru
<unk> shiing Yeah, just, yes.
00:20:05
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:20:07
Kimaru
So 40,000 packets will need you to, you'll have to buy that using 6.5 million. And 20,000 liters will need you to use 3.7 million.
00:20:14
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:20:19
Kimaru
Remember, we are talking about per day.
00:20:19
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:20:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah, yeah,
00:20:21
Kimaru
So consumption per day goes to 10.2 million.
00:20:26
Patrick Abure
yeah.
00:20:27
Kimaru
Does it make economic sense?
00:20:29
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:20:30
Kimaru
So per week, you need 71.9 million. And he said, per year, which is around 36, I think they say 36 weeks of learning because of the school holidays, ah you need 2.5 billion.
00:20:34
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:20:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:20:46
Patrick Abure
5 billion. Yeah.
00:20:47
Kimaru
to Yeah, 2.5 billion. And he has included, he says, it's excluding cost of transport, labor, distribution, ETC. You've not even paid the people who made the chapati.
00:21:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:00
Kimaru
youth You have not distributed the Japati to the schools.
00:21:02
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:21:04
Kimaru
Like, yes.
00:21:05
Patrick Abure
right
00:21:06
Kimaru
Anyway, now you see why it doesn't make sense.
00:21:09
Patrick Abure
and But what is the cost of the current feeding program or programs?
00:21:16
Kimaru
ah
00:21:16
Patrick Abure
Do you know?
00:21:17
Kimaru
No, I'm not sure. i would have to to find out. But um I would think that, um' as I said, i and i know I have not necessarily found out how much it costs, but I would think that the fact that they started that feeding program in 2023 and they've been able to sustain it up to now, it means it's something sustainable.
00:21:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:29
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:33
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:36
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:21:37
Kimaru
As I said, ah chapati is more of a luxury product in the context of the food that kids eat at school.
00:21:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:46
Kimaru
So if you have you can afford the most basic meals, it might be even costlier probably to to have chapattis instead of another simpler meal. Yeah, so maybe whatever else they're feeding them might be a bit cheaper.
00:21:56
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:22:01
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:22:02
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:22:02
Patrick Abure
Interesting. So um how many chapatis can you realistically eat in one sitting?
00:22:10
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:22:11
Patrick Abure
I'm asking for a friend in state house.
00:22:15
Kimaru
Oh, that one actually differs from one person to the other. Like for me, I think I can't do more than two.
00:22:26
Kimaru
But there's people who would eat even five chapatis. And for me, even no one, I'm comfortable.
00:22:30
Patrick Abure
I know i can do more than five. Yeah.
00:22:33
Kimaru
What? In one sitting?
00:22:39
Kimaru
See, that's what I mean, you know?
00:22:43
Kimaru
Yes, and you have i even my brothers, side please, they should forgive me. ah Sometimes my brothers can eat like a lot of chapatis at once, and I'm looking at them, I'm like, guys, where did you get the appetite?
00:22:48
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:22:55
Kimaru
Because for me, like I can't. Yeah, but realistically, let's say between one and five chapatis in a sitting, depending on who is eating this chapati.
00:23:02
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:23:04
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:23:05
Patrick Abure
Right. Yeah.
00:23:06
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:23:07
Patrick Abure
It was interesting. You know, is
00:23:10
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:23:11
Patrick Abure
there are wild comments online.
00:23:14
Kimaru
hu which one was like your your most like the wildest for you for example mm-hmm
00:23:22
Patrick Abure
For me, one person was asking whether chapati is
00:23:25
Kimaru
mm-hmm mm-hmm
00:23:28
Patrick Abure
have become part of the presidency manifesto.
00:23:28
Kimaru
who
00:23:35
Kimaru
but we Actually, at this point, we might not even know what exactly was in the manifesto. There has been too many promises that have not been fulfilled. Please, Anne. You know, by the way, when Kenyans, we are talking about these things, people be giving you disclaimers even and online.
00:23:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:23:50
Kimaru
Like today, actually, now let me go back to your the comments.
00:23:51
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:23:54
Kimaru
I was checking somebody who had done a video on these chapati issues.
00:23:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:23:58
Kimaru
And then somebody was saying at who you are sha.
00:23:59
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:24:04
Kimaru
You get like shafashi. They had done that thing for shafashi. So they're like who you are sha. They put the sha in cards.
00:24:12
Patrick Abure
yeah that is not I know
00:24:13
Kimaru
They're like who you are sha abductiwa to mean this one has already been abducted. It's funny, but you're not even supposed to laugh about it because what they mean was this has already been abducted because you're criticizing the government at this point.
00:24:30
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:24:31
Kimaru
Yeah, so please, and no one should come for me. i hey wait
00:24:40
Kimaru
ah But ah the way thing I see it, I think that chapati thing elicited a lot of conversations online.
00:24:41
Patrick Abure
i
00:24:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:24:48
Kimaru
And it's good that people are actually ah making content around this because now people can actually work on addressing the real issues.
00:24:54
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:24:57
Kimaru
Because if you go to the comment section, people are calling out like things they see that are going wrong.
00:24:57
Patrick Abure
yes Yeah.
00:25:03
Kimaru
You know, they are calling out the priorities of the government
00:25:04
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:25:07
Kimaru
They are questioning actions of politicians or people who represent us
00:25:11
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:25:13
Kimaru
Yeah, so for me, I think it's,
00:25:13
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:25:15
Kimaru
It was good that he said that because now we can have these discussions and also now like, you know, it kind of awakens your thoughts and you start thinking about what are these real issues that we need to focus on as a as a nation, whether on a personal level, ah ah also even like for our leaders, how can you also like hold them accountable?
00:25:18
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:25:20
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:25:39
Kimaru
So yeah, that's what I think honestly.
00:25:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:25:43
Patrick Abure
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. um Someone who was asking online, and I want to get your opinion on this.
00:25:49
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:25:51
Patrick Abure
They were asking, are
00:25:52
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:25:54
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:25:56
Patrick Abure
chapati the key to academic success in Kenya?
00:25:59
Kimaru
isn
00:26:08
Kimaru
Oh my God. I would say ah and this point it depends who is saying it, but I would say yes and no. Because as we thrived, we were doing well. We didn't have to eat chapatis. Maybe we were eating chapati once a year during Christmas and we survived and we did well.
00:26:26
Kimaru
But if the government implements this program,
00:26:26
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:26:29
Kimaru
I think it could be they're trying to tell us that kids cannot do well without the Japanese. Because why insist? Why are you insisting on giving us a machine? Even by there, was now I come to think of it, I was wondering, why are you bringing a machine and the way ah Kenyans have been so jobless?
00:26:50
Kimaru
probably just create employment.
00:26:50
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:26:51
Kimaru
Like there's so many Kenyans out here who have no work and people keep looking for work. ah No one is creating employment for them or maybe they are not in a place to create their own employment.
00:26:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:27:03
Kimaru
So if if as a government you would do us a favour,
Technology vs Job Creation Debate
00:27:07
Kimaru
maybe it would be to create employment, not to bring machines to do work we could do so easily.
00:27:07
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Right.
00:27:13
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:27:13
Kimaru
Speaking of which, I saw a video on TikTok.
00:27:16
Kimaru
ah There were guys, I don't know where they had gone somewhere. I don't know. They were cooking chapattis. You know, there is that jiko. don't know whether you know what a jiko is. The one that you use, chako.
00:27:26
Patrick Abure
Nah. Oh, yeah.
00:27:28
Kimaru
It's, it's, um, yeah, there's, I don't know. Yeah. In Kenya, we call it Jiko. It's just some type of banner that you use Chako. So I saw some people online, they were lined up like a whole queue of people.
00:27:36
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:27:42
Kimaru
Everybody had their own Chako banner with whatever, and they were cooking chapatis.
00:27:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:27:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:27:47
Kimaru
Somebody was like, Hey, this one's already got the memo. They're already cooking. I wonder where they're supplying.
00:27:56
Patrick Abure
They are supplying the schools.
00:27:59
Kimaru
Maybe they're supplying the schools before the machine arrives.
00:28:07
Patrick Abure
You know, though,
00:28:07
Kimaru
Oh, my God. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:28:13
Patrick Abure
and now a different opinion on this.
00:28:17
Patrick Abure
ah I came across someone who actually made a post about this, and this is what he said.
00:28:17
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:28:21
Kimaru
who
00:28:24
Kimaru
who
00:28:24
Patrick Abure
quote-unquote, rich people chapatis as trash.
00:28:27
Kimaru
who
00:28:30
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:28:32
Patrick Abure
But that's because they don't see the excitement when the kids were told that chapatis were going to be delivered.
00:28:36
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:28:43
Patrick Abure
He continues to say, you don't just know what a chapati meal means to a ghetto kid. And I really do think he has a point.
00:28:55
Kimaru
Yes.
00:28:55
Patrick Abure
What do you think?
00:28:57
Kimaru
no, no like it's actually true. As I said, growing up for me, for example, chapatis were such a big deal. It's not like something you would get access to every day. You get
00:29:07
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:07
Kimaru
it would be like on very specific occasions.
00:29:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:09
Kimaru
Oh, there's a holiday somewhere. It's Christmas. It's Easter. You are more likely to eat chapati on those holidays than you were on a normal school day or any other day of the week.
00:29:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:21
Kimaru
You get
00:29:22
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:29:23
Kimaru
And for some people, they were lucky enough probably to have it every other weekend. So you see, ah growing up for most, the average Kenyan, okay, it's such a big deal to have a meal of chapati.
00:29:27
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
00:29:36
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:36
Kimaru
So yeah, it makes a lot of sense. That's why those kids were super excited. They're like, oh, wow. Maybe because actually growing up also, even right now, if you go to most schools, they give something called githeri.
00:29:49
Kimaru
I don't know why people call it in another place, but I can explain what githeri is for maybe our international listeners.
00:29:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:56
Kimaru
Githeri is a meal cooked. ah It's just boiled maize and beans. You boil them together. Yeah, it's the most basic meal.
00:30:05
Patrick Abure
oh Oh, Maze and Binge.
00:30:07
Kimaru
Yeah, yes, maize and beans, and that's it. So for most schools, that's what they serve, especially during lunch, even now, whether it's a day school or a boarding school.
00:30:12
Patrick Abure
Interesting.
00:30:18
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:30:20
Kimaru
So to get...
00:30:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:30:22
Kimaru
um a meal change like ah somebody's promising you chapati, I can tell you for sure.
00:30:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:30:27
Kimaru
Our school, my high school, is a very prestigious school in Kenya and a very good school actually.
00:30:27
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:30:33
Kimaru
We had good meals, but I don't remember a day we had chapati.
00:30:38
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:30:39
Kimaru
No, chapati is not a meal that is provided in schools in Kenya. You see, that's why the excitement, yeah? Yeah.
00:30:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:30:47
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And the president was like, you know, we want to provide nutritious food for our children.
00:30:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:30:54
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:30:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Which i also agree with.
00:30:59
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:31:03
Patrick Abure
So I wanted to ask you about Sakaja.
00:31:04
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:31:09
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:31:10
Patrick Abure
Because Sakaja, I think, was a big influence
00:31:16
Patrick Abure
on setting things, basically.
00:31:20
Kimaru
Set everything in motion. So...
00:31:22
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:31:25
Kimaru
ah hu
00:31:26
Patrick Abure
So, about Sakaja's influence, is Nairobi County about to become the Chapati City?
00:31:28
Kimaru
who
00:31:35
Patrick Abure
Oh, County.
00:31:38
Kimaru
Now, you know, i think at this point, Kenyans are, um they're used to promises that go unfulfilled. So this might be just a passing cloud. But if it is fulfilled, then yeah, Nairobi might be that county where chapati reigns, yeah?
00:31:54
Kimaru
It rains every day, it pours.
00:31:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:31:59
Kimaru
We will have water parties and we could... Oh, not us, not all of us, the children.
00:32:03
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:32:04
Kimaru
But yeah, I guess him, he was trying to kind of revamp his Dishina County initiative for children, school feeding program. yeah yeah so
00:32:11
Patrick Abure
yeah yeah
00:32:13
Kimaru
But ah how realistic it is, I'm not sure. Because honest honestly, as I said, I feel like, and I don't know, I feel like also politicians have found a way to make everything very sensational, you know?
00:32:17
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:32:27
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:32:27
Kimaru
Like when they're making their promises, when they're telling us what they will do, it's like, yeah, they want to leave you very excited, you know?
00:32:36
Kimaru
And you maybe forget your worries and start maybe even campaigning for them as early as now. But whether it will be implemented or not, we we are yet to see.
00:32:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:32:47
Kimaru
And as I always say, time will tell. Mm-hmm.
00:32:50
Patrick Abure
Absolutely. and Absolutely. Yeah.
00:32:53
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:32:53
Patrick Abure
ah The comments on this story is wild. I love the comments.
00:33:01
Kimaru
Which other ones did you come across?
00:33:05
Patrick Abure
Someone was saying, if chapatis become a daily meal in schools,
00:33:10
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
00:33:11
Patrick Abure
Math problems might soon sound like, if Wanjiku has 10 chapatis and Kamau eats four, how angry is Wanjiku?
00:33:19
Kimaru
oh her hu
00:33:26
Patrick Abure
Ha ha ha ha
00:33:29
Kimaru
Extremely angry. Because, wow, why did you eat my cha party?
00:33:39
Kimaru
Yeah, extremely angry, by the way. Mm-hmm.
00:33:45
Kimaru
well Wow, wow, wow, wow.
00:33:47
Patrick Abure
Oh, man. Yeah.
00:33:50
Kimaru
Yeah, Kenyans, I don't know. I feel like Kenyans have really been using social media, actually. Whether it's these chapati stories or it's another story from any other person.
00:33:56
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:34:00
Kimaru
But Kenyans are sort of, I feel like they're really using social media in a good way lately.
00:34:01
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:34:05
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:34:06
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:34:06
Kimaru
especially for advocacy, civic education, and all that.
00:34:10
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:34:11
Kimaru
Yeah, like, if you look at those comments, there is a story to tell from those comments.
00:34:17
Patrick Abure
Absolutely.
00:34:17
Patrick Abure
and Yeah.
00:34:17
Kimaru
If you look at them, not just surface level, but deeply, there is stories people are trying to pass across.
00:34:23
Kimaru
You just need a little bit of wisdom to know what exactly people are trying to say and maybe to relate to
00:34:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah. yeah
00:34:29
Kimaru
what exactly are the issues in the country.
00:34:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:34:33
Kimaru
Yeah, then it's very easy need to decipher what somebody is trying to say, honestly, yeah.
00:34:33
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:34:39
Patrick Abure
Absolutely. Yeah.
00:34:40
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:41
Patrick Abure
You know, I was thinking about this and i was like,
00:34:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:45
Patrick Abure
With all this AI coming up now, you know, a million chapatis every day sounds like a perfect job for AI.
00:34:49
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:34:59
Patrick Abure
But AI might quit over burnout.
00:35:05
Kimaru
they'll be like nah I give up please take me to whatever police police station I can't do this totally agree honestly that would be a lot of chapatis to generate at once if you are cooking them yeah honestly
00:35:19
Patrick Abure
Yeah, that's a lot of chapatis.
00:35:24
Kimaru
It is a lot of chapattis.
00:35:25
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:35:26
Kimaru
I think it is the same.
00:35:27
Patrick Abure
Especially, I mean, one million a day is not much.
00:35:28
Kimaru
It's unnecessary.
00:35:31
Patrick Abure
But when you look at it from the perspective that these machines are going to be given to every school,
00:35:41
Patrick Abure
That's a lot of chapatis.
00:35:45
Kimaru
thing, wow.
00:35:51
Kimaru
ah any this this gepa thing wow Yeah, its it's definitely, yeah, but but I feel like now that you're talking about chapatis, I feel like it's very easy.
00:35:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:36:03
Kimaru
I feel like politicians have also found it ah good, as I said, about things becoming very sensational. It's like it's an easy route to actually divert the conversation from like the things that matter.
00:36:09
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:36:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:36:17
Kimaru
Because now all we are talking about is chapati. Maybe there's people who are thinking like, it's such a big, it's just ah such a good thing. Our children will eat chapati, but they're not focusing on the real issues.
00:36:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:36:29
Kimaru
And of course, there's also the people who are focusing on the real issues, which is where they're using it as ah we like sati in a satirical way.
00:36:30
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:36:37
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:36:38
Kimaru
ah But there's somebody who, somewhere who will be just excited.
00:36:38
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:36:41
Kimaru
They're like, oh wow, our children will be eating chapatis and leave it at that. So it kind of also diverts from the real issues.
00:36:45
Patrick Abure
But but
00:36:48
Patrick Abure
right but I also feel like we we shouldn't overly state the issue of chapati as something that is clearly not a need.
00:37:01
Patrick Abure
Because I think we forget that the issue at heart is feeding.
00:37:03
Kimaru
is a need. yes
00:37:08
Patrick Abure
And that is a need.
00:37:10
Kimaru
it is a need
00:37:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:37:13
Kimaru
But now, as I said, okay, sorry, but but as I said, maybe for a normal Kenyan, really, you start thinking about, is it chapati that I really need for now?
00:37:13
Patrick Abure
Forget it.
00:37:25
Kimaru
As I said, chapati is one of the... foods I would consider a bit of a luxury for an everyday Kenyan.
00:37:30
Patrick Abure
yeah yeah yeah
00:37:31
Kimaru
Like it's not something you can eat every day, every day, every day. It will become expensive. And if even in your own home, you can't eat chapati every day, every day, every day because it's expensive, then a normal or everyday Kenyan, ah I start thinking about instead of giving me chapati, why don't you probably make something like the health insurance work for me?
00:37:36
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:37:45
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:37:50
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:37:56
Kimaru
because I cannot anticipate when I get sick or whatever, so that I can be at least covered?
00:37:56
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:38:01
Kimaru
Or why don't you probably, for example, look at maybe, as I said, a school that doesn't have a structure, build a structure in that school? Or, you know, or probably ah the cost of food that that is more, like, let's say, for example, you see posho.
00:38:10
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:38:18
Kimaru
In Uganda, you guys call it posho, but in Kenya, we call it ugali.
00:38:18
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:38:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:38:22
Kimaru
So why don't you make like ugali more affordable because that's what we eat on a day-to-day basis in comparison to the chapati. Like bring the coat of the ugali, the hunga down instead of, you know, providing chapatis for me.
00:38:30
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:38:35
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:38:38
Kimaru
So that's how I would look at it. Like stop trying to give me something that I can't even have afford on a day-to-day basis.
00:38:41
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
Balancing Luxury and Necessity
00:38:46
Kimaru
but try to make the things that I use on a daily more affordable.
00:38:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:38:51
Kimaru
You know, bring down the cost of fuel so that even goods and services can get to wherever they need to go easily.
00:38:52
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:38:59
Kimaru
Groceries, not you know, the cost of groceries becomes a little bit affordable. Because right now, if you look at the, if you look at the whatever, what I call it?
00:39:04
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:39:11
Kimaru
The cost of things has gone up in the last two to three years. like what I could buy as groceries maybe three years ago that would take me for a whole month, for example, it's now like almost double the price, you see?
00:39:15
Patrick Abure
yeah. Yes.
00:39:26
Patrick Abure
yes
00:39:26
Kimaru
So for me, when I'm thinking, because I'm thinking long-term, I would rather you reduce the cost of maybe fuel or maybe the cost of fertilizer so that people can, you know, the cost of food can go down, you know, something that is more sustainable.
00:39:41
Kimaru
So you're giving me chapati, ah yeah personally, i at daily, it doesn't make any difference in my life.
00:39:49
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:39:50
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:39:50
Kimaru
Make those other things that I use normally, you know, very important.
00:39:53
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:39:55
Kimaru
Something like that, you know, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:39:57
Patrick Abure
No, fair enough. Yeah. And um so so speaking of Ogali as like, you know, national dish, is Chapati secretly replacing Ogali
00:40:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:16
Kimaru
yeah i
00:40:16
Patrick Abure
as a new national dish?
00:40:21
Kimaru
and I don't think so. I feel like chapati, it's just bars. even i think they're going to ruin the chapati thing for us. Why make them so available? We want them to be a luxury.
00:40:34
Kimaru
So that when we are having them, we we enjoy. You feel like in paradise. you know no But honestly, the way I know Kenyans, I don't think...
00:40:46
Kimaru
chapatis can replace ugali ugali is such a staple honestly chapati cannot outcompete ugali
00:40:50
Patrick Abure
Ryan.
00:40:55
Kimaru
and
00:40:56
Patrick Abure
I love Ogali.
00:40:57
Kimaru
yeah ugali is good oh ugali is good sana kumbo unazua yes it is oh yeah ugali any day any time you know
00:41:01
Patrick Abure
Ogali ni tamu sama. Tamu sana.
00:41:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.
00:41:18
Kimaru
who
00:41:19
Patrick Abure
But it's pretty, don't know, interesting, this is story. Yeah. Sometimes I feel like when I am reading the comments, I love reading the comments.
00:41:31
Kimaru
I know comments are always like the it.
00:41:32
Patrick Abure
When I am reading.
00:41:34
Kimaru
If you see a video that is funny, go to the comments. The comments are people say, you are like, huh?
00:41:37
Patrick Abure
Yes. Yeah. People are usually wild in there.
00:41:48
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.
00:41:53
Patrick Abure
oh
00:41:54
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:41:54
Patrick Abure
I feel like at this rate, um if actually the one million chapati thing becomes real, because I saw the president serving chapatis.
00:42:02
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:42:07
Patrick Abure
Was it yesterday or something like that?
00:42:07
Kimaru
I know.
00:42:08
Kimaru
It's like, actually, he went to torture parties. Yes. Yeah.
00:42:11
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:42:15
Kimaru
wow
00:42:17
Patrick Abure
I feel we are going to get to a point where ah Kenya is going to be celebrating Chapati Day every year.
00:42:21
Kimaru
ah huh
00:42:25
Patrick Abure
Ha ha ha ha.
00:42:25
Kimaru
oh yeah at this pace yes we might just have a national holiday for chapatis you're like yeah this is a designated day yes all of you should just stay at home you're eating chapatis yeah we shall see who cooks them better and maybe it might even at this point it might even be introduced in the curriculum you know as something that people need to study how to make you know
00:42:26
Patrick Abure
Ha
00:42:37
Patrick Abure
ha ha. Ha ha ha.
00:42:51
Kimaru
Specific, not just as a home science. No, no, no, no, no. Just chapati making as a course.
00:42:56
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:42:57
Kimaru
Yes.
00:42:57
Patrick Abure
Yes. No, but i i think it's important. Now, satire aside, I think it is good to have such a course.
00:43:02
Kimaru
Ah. Ah.
00:43:06
Patrick Abure
I would take it. I really want to learn how to make chapati.
00:43:08
Kimaru
Ah.
00:43:11
Patrick Abure
So I genuinely would enroll for such a course.
00:43:14
Kimaru
Talk to me, I'll teach you. Talk to me, i'm I'm good at this chapati making business. I wonder even why the government didn't consider giving me that contract instead of looking for like a machine.
00:43:25
Kimaru
I can spin those things really fast. Even my friends are always saying, hey, Kimaru is the best chapati maker. She cooks them so fast. There's one, actually, I'm not even bragging. There's one ah called Honey.
00:43:35
Patrick Abure
Okay.
00:43:38
Kimaru
So Honey came to my place some time back and then she was like, you know, I don't, um like the way you cook chapatis, it's very impressive. Because for me, to cook chapatis in my house, I have to plan a whole week in advance.
00:43:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:43:51
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:43:53
Kimaru
And it takes me so long to actually cook them.
00:43:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah. yeah
00:43:56
Kimaru
Because now she was seated at my house, she's like, oh, how can I help you? was like, no, relax, I'll make them for you. So you see, that's what I'm saying. The government should have considered me, you know, they should have given me this opportunity and I would have impressed.
00:44:05
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:44:10
Patrick Abure
Right. Right. I know, see. Because the the government has given that job to to to machines, it's why you're now angry.
00:44:19
Kimaru
I know. wouldn't you be angry? Like, I can make the best chapatis out here.
00:44:24
Patrick Abure
I won't.
00:44:26
Kimaru
Why are they bypassing my skill, you know?
00:44:30
Patrick Abure
Not just you, very many others that have the skills like you.
00:44:31
Kimaru
and Exactly. Yes, we are so many. And they have refused to employ us. And now I don't know, they expect us to do what? We sit somewhere and wait for the machine to make it?
00:44:43
Kimaru
Oh, speaking of the machine, do you know Kenyans have named it El Chapo?
00:44:49
Kimaru
Because chapati, the abbreviation for chapati in Kenya is chapo. So they are calling it El Chapo.
00:44:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:44:59
Kimaru
Like the Mexican kind whatever drug dealer, the cartel owner. Yeah, the machine is called El Chapo. So we are actually waiting for El Chapo to arrive in Kenya and then the 1 million chapatis can be spinned, you know?
00:45:11
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:45:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah. I can't wait to come to Kenya and eat that.
00:45:15
Kimaru
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:18
Kimaru
I know, right? I think the government has really looked and they're like, wow, we need to impress foreigners like Patrick.
00:45:19
Patrick Abure
yes
00:45:25
Kimaru
And we want them, like at the airport, to be like, oh, Karibu, chapati, chapati.
00:45:33
Kimaru
It's like we will be meeting you at the airport and we are like, we are holding bells and bells of chapatis and dancing like, yeah, chapati, karibu chapati, Kenya hakuna matata, and you know, we give you chapatis.
00:45:45
Kimaru
The only thing you need to do is you need to come with your stew.
00:45:47
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:45:52
Patrick Abure
oh man
00:45:54
Kimaru
Yes, you know, chapati can actually really mess you. So you need to come with your stew just in case or a drink, you know.
00:46:01
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:01
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:46:03
Patrick Abure
Yeah, thanks for the heads up. I'll keep that in mind.
00:46:06
Kimaru
Yes, please.
00:46:09
Kimaru
Please, yes, yes, Tafadhali. Yeah. But yeah, we just be ready for anything.
00:46:12
Patrick Abure
Yes. Yes.
00:46:14
Kimaru
And especially chapatis will rain.
00:46:15
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:17
Kimaru
They'll rain for sure. Mm-hmm.
00:46:19
Patrick Abure
Yes, I'm very sure, yeah. bet at this rate, we are definitely going to... When I am coming to your wedding, I'm very sure...
00:46:28
Kimaru
yeah
00:46:30
Kimaru
There'll be chapatis, right? Don't
00:46:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:35
Kimaru
worry. Especially if the government will be the one supplying them, you know for sure it ah you know they won't fail you.
00:46:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:42
Kimaru
Yeah. There will be chapatis.
00:46:43
Patrick Abure
I'm very sure.
00:46:44
Kimaru
Something to look forward to.
00:46:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:46:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And I know um Kenyan weddings might start including vows.
00:46:48
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:46:52
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:46:55
Patrick Abure
Vows like
00:46:58
Patrick Abure
I promise to love, cherish, and share my chapatis.
00:47:07
Kimaru
I swear, at this point, yeah, that should be like one of those very intimate things that you actually share with your loved one. So yeah, it makes a lot of sense.
00:47:16
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:47:18
Kimaru
Yes, honestly, at this point, yeah, I agree with you.
00:47:18
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:47:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:47:23
Kimaru
To love and to hold, we shall never allow any chapati to come between us, okay?
00:47:33
Patrick Abure
We shall share it. Here it is. Kimaru, take it.
00:47:36
Kimaru
Oh, yeah.
00:47:37
Patrick Abure
man. Yeah.
00:47:38
Kimaru
Even the tiniest bit of chapati that we will have in the house, we shall make sure that we actually share it, you know?
00:47:45
Patrick Abure
me
00:47:49
Kimaru
Yeah. Honestly, at this rate, yeah, they will become a staple. Actually, you had asked if they I think they'll become a staple. If you you put it like that, chapati will become a staple for sure.
00:47:58
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:48:01
Kimaru
a
00:48:02
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:48:03
Patrick Abure
Yeah. But chapatis are good.
00:48:03
Kimaru
Very true.
00:48:04
Kimaru
you
00:48:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Chapatis are good.
00:48:05
Kimaru
Oh, very good.
00:48:06
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:48:06
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:48:07
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. I think, by the way, I wanted to ask you this funny question.
00:48:11
Kimaru
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:48:14
Patrick Abure
ah Would do you vote for, because you guys have an election coming up in 2027, right?
00:48:21
Kimaru
yeah a
00:48:23
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So would you vote for a president based on their chapati budget?
00:48:36
Kimaru
If it pleases the masses, if it pleases the masses, you know, whom's the mine? Whom's the mine?
00:48:44
Patrick Abure
Who knows? Maybe the the next president is going to say, you know what?
00:48:48
Kimaru
yeah
00:48:50
Patrick Abure
Let's increase it from 1 million. Let it go to 5 or 10.
00:48:53
Kimaru
To two, honestly, if it pleases the masses, I don't think I will be against it, you know?
00:48:54
Patrick Abure
man. Yeah.
00:49:02
Patrick Abure
oh then yeah
00:49:05
Kimaru
oh my god i think kenyans we are not are serious and unserious at the same time honestly yeah who
00:49:13
Patrick Abure
No, but I think it's it's a pretty interesting thing. Yeah. I think the conversations that this story has sparked are very useful conversations.
00:49:25
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Totally.
00:49:26
Kimaru
very extremely actually yeah that's very true yeah
00:49:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So
Chapati Preferences
00:49:34
Patrick Abure
I wanted to, as we wrap up, I wanted to ask you, chapati with beans and chapati with the tea.
00:49:34
Kimaru
and
00:49:37
Kimaru
who who who
00:49:43
Patrick Abure
Which one would you choose?
00:49:46
Kimaru
Chapati with beans.
00:49:47
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:49:49
Kimaru
Yes.
00:49:49
Patrick Abure
And chapati with the tea.
00:49:52
Patrick Abure
Which one would you choose?
00:49:52
Kimaru
Chapati with tea.
00:49:53
Kimaru
So I'll go for chapati with beans if I'm having like a dinner or something.
00:49:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:49:58
Kimaru
And then in the morning, quick breakfast, chapati with the tea.
00:50:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:50:04
Kimaru
If you are trying to grab like a quick breakfast, yes, chapati with the tea.
00:50:07
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:50:08
Kimaru
Yes, for sure. he
00:50:10
Patrick Abure
Yeah. I would go with the chapati with the beans too.
00:50:13
Kimaru
I know. It's usually, it slaps.
00:50:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:50:16
Kimaru
It very good.
00:50:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah, I had a lot of it in school.
00:50:20
Kimaru
ah Oh, wow.
00:50:22
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:50:22
Kimaru
Huh. Interesting. Your school used to cook you chapati?
00:50:24
Patrick Abure
Uganda has a lot of chapati. You guys forget. We produce probably more than one million chapatis a day.
00:50:29
Kimaru
yeah
00:50:31
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:50:32
Kimaru
Oh, I swear, yes. That one I agree. Because the last time I was in Uganda, oh, they'd be making Rolex everywhere. So chapati, chapati, chapati, chapati.
00:50:39
Patrick Abure
Yes. Yes.
00:50:41
Kimaru
Yeah. so So for them, definitely their budget will be way bigger than the Kenyan budget, you know?
00:50:48
Patrick Abure
Oh, no. The difference is the chapati in Uganda is not produced or sponsored by the government.
00:50:52
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:50:58
Kimaru
or right now you already have like a lot of chapati sponsored by individuals if the government was to step in ah you'll have to you would be supplying Kenyans you would be our machine
00:51:03
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:51:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah. I guess the... Yes. Exactly. would become your suppliers.
00:51:18
Kimaru
the government should have thought of Uganda there is always chapati everywhere on the streets you know they should have thought about that yeah
00:51:24
Patrick Abure
Yes. Yeah. Very delicious chapati, by the way.
00:51:29
Kimaru
That's true, that's very true.
00:51:30
Patrick Abure
Yeah. yeah I don't know what you think, but in my opinion, Uganda makes the best chapatis.
00:51:40
Kimaru
o No, but I think it's true, especially if they do they make it the Rolex way, then e it's good, why lie?
00:51:47
Patrick Abure
It's so good. It's so tasty.
00:51:48
Kimaru
It to me is good. Yeah.
00:51:50
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. You can eat a lot of them and still feel like you haven't had any.
00:51:55
Kimaru
her yeah
00:51:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:51:58
Kimaru
I think they found a fancy way of, you know, eating it. Like, you know, with the Rolex thing, the way it is, it makes it even more delicious anyway.
00:52:05
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:52:08
Kimaru
So, yeah, maybe we can borrow a leaf from Ugandans.
00:52:12
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:52:13
Kimaru
So you can imagine if the Kenyan government, you know, let's not talk about this in this podcast.
00:52:13
Patrick Abure
So the next time... ahha
00:52:20
Kimaru
Imagine if the government had ah about the Rolex. Now, because the last time I checked, the Rolex used to have eggs, right?
00:52:27
Patrick Abure
Yes, yes.
00:52:28
Kimaru
So you can imagine we need a budget for eggs, apart from the budget for Japanese eggs.
00:52:32
Patrick Abure
No, but you guys are already taking it to a higher level. You guys, ah you you have promoted your parties from having eggs to having meat.
00:52:44
Patrick Abure
That was what these kids were asking for.
00:52:45
Kimaru
it oh they said they want with nyama so you know see our budget is it's good they bypass the rolex yeah
00:52:49
Patrick Abure
Anataka nyama, wanataka nyama. Yeah.
00:52:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:52:59
Patrick Abure
I'm telling you. i don't know how to call that one with the meat. Yeah.
00:53:05
Kimaru
hey that one definitely is on its own level it's like in its own class
00:53:09
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:53:11
Kimaru
It has graduated, it has gone through a master's class, PhD, and it's an expert now, yeah?
00:53:19
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Totally.
00:53:20
Kimaru
Oh yeah, mm-hmm.
00:53:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:53:22
Kimaru
Okay, wow.
00:53:22
Patrick Abure
Wow.
00:53:24
Kimaru
Chapati for the win.
00:53:24
Patrick Abure
So...
00:53:26
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:26
Patrick Abure
Oh, yeah. I mean, we are in an agreement, though, that Uganda makes the best chapatis.
00:53:31
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:34
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. I'd let people let us know. Ugandans and Kenyans, please let us know who makes better chapatis. Let us know in our comment sections, you know, so that we can, you know, gauge.
00:53:47
Kimaru
I don't want to be the one saying which one is which, you know. Yeah, I'll leave it to the people to decide.
00:53:54
Patrick Abure
Okay, but I know Ugandans are going to win.
00:54:00
Kimaru
You think so?
00:54:01
Patrick Abure
I have so much faith.
00:54:02
Kimaru
You think so?
00:54:04
Patrick Abure
yes
00:54:04
Kimaru
Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay. oh I didn't see nothing. yeah
00:54:10
Patrick Abure
i have so much faith
00:54:13
Kimaru
In Uganda.
00:54:18
Patrick Abure
oh
00:54:19
Kimaru
Ugandans, you have been represented. I'll let the Kenyans decide. and oh yeah.
00:54:26
Patrick Abure
Oh, man. Yeah.
00:54:27
Kimaru
Kenyans will fight their own battles in the comment section.
00:54:28
Patrick Abure
and
00:54:31
Patrick Abure
Right, right.
00:54:32
Kimaru
who
00:54:33
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah, I wanted to ask you this. um So, would you rather eat chapatis for a year or listen to political promises for five minutes?
00:54:51
Kimaru
let me eat chapati.
00:54:53
Patrick Abure
For a year?
00:54:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:54:54
Kimaru
like
00:54:55
Kimaru
Every day, every day.
00:54:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah, than just five minutes of listening to politics.
00:55:01
Kimaru
Oh, five minutes of listening to false promises.
00:55:04
Patrick Abure
No, no, no, political promises, yes. It doesn't matter whether they are false or not.
00:55:07
Kimaru
Just five.
00:55:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:55:09
Kimaru
Oh, because I'm not such a big fan of chapati, yeah, I'll take the five minutes if it's just five minutes.
00:55:13
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:55:16
Kimaru
I can endure the excruciating... false promises being made over and over and over again, you know? But eating chapati for year would be such a torture for me because I can't stand chapatis.
00:55:29
Kimaru
That, you know, yeah, but I know there's somebody who would choose the chapatis, but for me, I'm not such a big fan, so yeah.
00:55:35
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:55:36
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:55:37
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. um So what are your final thoughts?
00:55:44
Kimaru
ah My final thoughts, I feel like, um for me, I think I'm proud of Kenyans and how they have been reacting to these stories and how ah right now whether just being a keyboard warrior you're trying to hold maybe your member of parliament accountable your president accountable yeah whoever you are holding accountable i feel like ah these are conversations we definitely need to keep having because we need to educate i feel like these conversations are important because that's how you you you are doing civic education through satire
00:56:12
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:56:20
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:56:20
Kimaru
and bringing to attention like the issues that affect us on a day-to-day basis okay so uh i i think we need to have more of these conversations and we need to make sure apart from having these conversations online we can bring the conversations to the people because i feel for on a personal level if you're promising me
00:56:40
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:56:44
Kimaru
chapatis every day but you're and maybe you're providing it for me but you're not maybe lowering the cost of living for me it doesn't necessarily make such a big difference like the things that matter for me are the things would want maybe people in power to address right now yeah because there is more important and pressing issues
00:56:48
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:57:05
Kimaru
that we need to to focus on. And I would say if it was not false or what happened last year from I think around June, we wouldn't even have had these conversations by the way.
00:57:16
Kimaru
I think from last year, there's like a revolution that happened with the protest and all that, which is why we are here right now looking at chapati, not just as chapati. We are looking at chapati as a way to have a conversation because why are you promising us chapati when you could be building a school or you could making a road accessible or you could do one, two, three, you know, whatever it is you need to do.
00:57:27
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:57:40
Kimaru
So, yeah, so I'm really proud of how far we have come in the context of speaking up and trying to hold like our leaders accountable and have these conversations on issues that affect us on a day-to-day basis. Yeah.
00:57:54
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:57:56
Patrick Abure
Thank you. um Listeners and our viewers, please do share your own funny stories to do with this chapati story that is trending online.
00:58:10
Kimaru
yes let us know your thoughts
00:58:10
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. And also, yes. And also remember, behind every unrealistic promise is probably ah very hungry politician.
00:58:21
Kimaru
who
00:58:27
Kimaru
wow I couldn't have put it any better honestly wow
00:58:33
Patrick Abure
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00:58:43
Kimaru
It's back to the podcast.
00:58:46
Patrick Abure
Bye-bye.
00:58:47
Kimaru
Bye.