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Episode 142 - You've got mail
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The only AI I fuck with is Allen Iverson
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Music Discussion and Podcast Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Okay, so yeah. So what what what music? What's the music? Yeah, we gotta we play this for Nick. Apparently, this is the the last dying breath of this music. this might be It might be the last time we play this.
00:00:11
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We gotta...
00:00:30
Speaker
Yeah, so so Mike made that himself. um We were vibing with it for a little bit. That's really not bad at all. It's pretty groovy. It hits weird in the car.
00:00:42
Speaker
It really hits weird in the car. Okay. You know, I think it would be good if it didn't have the siren. Like, to me, that's it's a little jarring, but I don't mind it as much. I thought that was the most endearing part. I think it's the drop and then, like, the really stale cymbals there.
00:00:59
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah. Well, then you know what you know what he's going to say. be like, ah, fuck you. I do a recording for I put put all this time and effort. You record something then. You know, whatever.
00:01:10
Speaker
Which I did. I made something. Well, AI made something. And I think now you can't do that. Okay. yeah I'll play the AI one.
00:01:22
Speaker
What was the prompt for this? Lo-fi trap beat. Okay. Yeah. Those seem like conflicting things.
00:01:36
Speaker
It's about as generic as ah I thought it would be. Exactly. And I think that works better. It's just an amalgamation of every lo-fi hip-hop beat on the entire internet. that's it's really We're trying to to allow our music to match the vibe of of the podcast. Very generic voice coming down just to talk kind of deal, you know?
00:01:58
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So if ah you're one of our new listeners, sound off in the comments on which one you think is better. Or if we just just scrap the music entirely. yeah Or if you would prefer acapella version of one of those, we can also accommodate that request.
00:02:17
Speaker
We can get into the booth. We could get into the booth. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what what that cost, you know, for like an hour. Probably maybe a couple hundred bucks, but it could be cool.
00:02:27
Speaker
Who says it has to cost anything? We just go to Victor's and then yeah the setup. Yeah. We just i figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. We can make it happen.
Welcome Back Nick and AI in Media
00:02:40
Speaker
All right, well, this is episode 142, believe. I think that's that's where we're at. ah Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back, Nick, to the podcast. Yeah.
00:02:54
Speaker
ah don't We don't have an applause thing on here. Hold on. Do you have a siren? to Use the siren. Play me the only other one you have on there.
00:03:03
Speaker
ah Oh, yeah, I guess. Shut up, bitch! Yeah, that's all we got. and That's all we got on the soundboard, honestly. And that's exclusively used when Mike's talking. Okay. Yeah. All right. that that's That one gets used often. That's why it's the only one.
00:03:17
Speaker
Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I actually did add some more for this week. We'll see if any situations arise where I could use them, but I don't know.
00:03:29
Speaker
They might not fit, so No such thing. You just got to try it out. You know, we're all about just testing live here on the podcast. All right. Well, I see an opportunity. I will take it.
00:03:41
Speaker
Cool.
AI Implications on Society and Education
00:03:43
Speaker
Cool. Cool. cool How far away is AI do you think from us just like being able to upload a bunch of episodes and then tell them to create an episode from scratch? Just completely AI generated?
00:03:57
Speaker
I don't think it's that far away. oh that's possible now. Yeah. Yeah. You can do that. You can feed the audio files and have it train on it and then give it a ah structure and it should be able to put out not only a podcast, but a podcast in our voice.
00:04:13
Speaker
Yeah. I've been seeing. It is. yeah I saw a bunch of um like after the Knicks won the series, a bunch of like Jalen Brunson, ai videos of him sitting at like the press conference being like, yeah, honestly, it was really cool that that little bitch Tatum tours Achilles.
00:04:32
Speaker
ah Fuck Boston. Fuck Massachusetts. All of them suck. And it's like literally his voice, but obviously he didn't say it. But yeah, I don't think we're that far away from that.
00:04:43
Speaker
Oh, it's... Yeah, I'm sure the net benefits of this technology will... ah will surpass whatever downside we're seeing. Right. Yeah. But we won't see it for a while.
00:04:56
Speaker
Like, you know, you get the, you get the, the language models, ah the chat GBTs that everybody's interacting with now. and they're like, Oh, that's really cool. But besides that, like the stuff that they're using for like the actual good stuff for society, we're not going to see for a while. We're just going to see so shit that people are putting online right now.
00:05:11
Speaker
Yeah. At a certain point, like they're going to have to start being profitable too. So it's like, once that happens, I think the cost per month for chat TV, first of all, you're probably not even going to be able to use it for free, like whatsoever. Um, and then it's probably going to be like a few hundred bucks. At least that would help.
00:05:33
Speaker
Um, cause I don't know. That's kind of shit makes me really nervous. i I kind of feel like this would just be like left to certain industries.
00:05:43
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Like, like,
00:05:50
Speaker
pharmaceutical industry, um you know, really just medicine. But I just think like people having free reign to this type of tech as it just gets better is just going to like destroy society because like people's grandparents were already getting just like, Oh yeah. One shot it on Facebook. I'm like the most obvious like Photoshop. Then now it's going to be like, it's now I'm getting that. yeah Like it's happening to me. And I feel like, so like I'm more media literate than like,
00:06:20
Speaker
most people online, but I'm getting got by some of these things. Right, yeah. No, it's scary. out like People will absolutely abuse the shit out of it. And and what's what's more frightening is that people will go on, like you see or at least I see it on my feed,
00:06:40
Speaker
People put on like links of like, oh, here's six AI tools that you never knew about that you should use. And they'll have like really cool things where you can feed in, you know, and this works for me because I'm a student where it's like you feed in a PowerPoint and it'll spit out a script or you feed in ideas or notes and it'll put together a whole PowerPoint for you.
00:06:58
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right But you have to, one, you have to go to a random site. And two, you have to enter in all your information into there, not knowing, if you don't understand how it works, that it's collecting all of that information about you and storing it so that it can generate that information.
00:07:16
Speaker
So all of a sudden, that person has your contact information, depending upon you know whether you need to sign up for a subscription, and then all the information about whatever it is that you're working on. And if you continue to use it, like,
00:07:28
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whole profiles that can be built on people now, like way more detailed than they ever were before. And who knows, they sell that shit to the next person, you know, and and then they start coming after you with,
00:07:39
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targeted ads or or things in your email about, you know, fines that you have to pay, like whatever it is, it becomes hyper fixated on you and your information as a person. It's so scary, dude.
00:07:49
Speaker
Jesus. not Not even to mention that like people just aren't going to be learning anything in school anymore, apparently. Like, i don't know if you guys saw that article in the Times from I think last week where um this this college student, um she wrote an essay about like the merits of not using things like artificial intelligence um to as a as a tool for learning um and like actually taking the time to like research it yourself and she wrote the entire paper using chat gpt and she did not see like the hypocrisy in that at all like it's so it's so ridiculous i think that they just need to they
00:08:37
Speaker
Regardless of how good the technology is, you need to have some kind of tool out there that reads there through it, recognizes what kind of, like the patterns for the text generation and identify it.
00:08:50
Speaker
And they have ones now and I've tried it out for school where like I've submitted something that I wrote, right, 100%, but then it'll still say, oh, this is 50% AI generated. and you're like, what are you talking about? And it's because it's hypersensitive to those patterns.
00:09:06
Speaker
But I would rather have that and have people scared about being flagged as plagiarizing than have nothing at all. Like, you need to have something in there. But the problem is the teachers today don't have as much exposure unless you're in some comp sci program, you know?
00:09:22
Speaker
Right. yeah And they could just be using it themselves. They are. They are. Well, bet they are. Yeah. are I have teachers that that like the whole course is not easy.
00:09:35
Speaker
the The professor that I had was an older guy. And the the the course was all um let's get on a phone on Zoom and let's talk. And that's it. He had topping you know talking points that he would walk through, but it was just a conversation between everybody.
00:09:49
Speaker
There weren't any slides and he would just give us topics to go research and then come back and talk about, which is cool in theory. But then what he would do is he would use the Zoom AI tools to record the entire session and then print out a summary for everybody.
00:10:04
Speaker
And at the time, it's like, it's cool because it saves him time and everything like that. But I'm also like, how is that information getting used?
AI, Privacy, and Government Surveillance
00:10:12
Speaker
Right? Like I didn't like, did I sign up for something when I signed up for zoom that said that they can collect all that information about yeah like, where does that all go?
00:10:21
Speaker
You know? And so it's like, you don't, if you don't read into that shit and then you just buy into it and you let somebody else use it without your, your consent. And maybe that's being Mr. Paranoid here, but it's like, you don't know, you don't know who's using for what.
00:10:36
Speaker
I don't think it's being that paranoid. i think I think some of it goes deeper than we think, unfortunately, in who has this information and who doesn't. yeah It's like kind of not related to AI, but it was a topic I wanted to bring up um where like I saw that this kid got detained at a at like the Dulles Airport in D.C.
00:11:02
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for liking political memes that were kind of anti- anti-Trump. And I was like, if this dude's getting detained for liking memes on Instagram, I am absolutely fucking cooked.
00:11:14
Speaker
I am so cooked. The things that we have said on this show, if if one kid liking memes is getting reported to the government, what like it, but i'm I'm saying this as like related to AI, AI has all of our transcripts of the pod because that's how we cut clips.
00:11:34
Speaker
yeah Spotify has it. like there Who knows who actually has the access to that data? Yeah, and I mean, it's not like every not every AI tool is collecting that information constantly.
00:11:48
Speaker
If it's generating new content based off of what you know you're you're giving it, then it has to train off of that data so it's collecting it. But regardless, like what's what's even scarier is before AI was a commercially available tool, the government was already tracking everybody's Internet, um you know, the the different links that they're following and the different profiles and social media that they have, all the sites that they're visiting. They had all of that.
00:12:16
Speaker
And so now it's that coupled with everything else. All of a sudden it becomes easy for some somebody like Trump to say, oh, I want everybody that says some bad shit about me to be flagged and to be checked every time they come into the country.
00:12:29
Speaker
And they can they could do that. They can look through your fucking check text messages if they really wanted to. Like it's been done before. And, you know, they say that they put it away, but – damn i'm so i'm starting to sound real tinfoil here but you know this could be listen though this could be good for us because if we play our cards right there could be like an entire wing at the department of homeland security dedicated to listening to the podcast um yeah hey listen that's good that's good we'll we'll take that yeah every time we we leave the country and reander that's at least one view right then
00:13:04
Speaker
Well, here's the thing. Am I going to be allowed to reenter is what I'm worried about. If they're going to start taking away birthright citizenship and start taking away due process from people in like a base corpus. Hold on.
00:13:17
Speaker
I think I'm just getting auto sent to El Salvador. Yeah, that that may be a sad point. But if we lean into it and we start marketing ourselves as the number one podcast in in in you know Homeland Security,
00:13:31
Speaker
no I thought you say if we start right-wing grifting. well we maybe we could do that too Because if we did that, you know it's you know first things first, I'm glad Joe Biden got cancer. hi but e I said I'm leaning into it now. we got I found this guy at dinner today, and somebody just like dropped it and casually. i was like, really? Dang.
00:13:51
Speaker
You don't want to wish bad on anybody. No, no, of course not. but I am unless that not at all surprised. And neither am I. but I mean... I don't know. It's one of those things where it's like he was always going to be one of those people that the second he stopped like working, he was just going to drop dead one way or another. yeah you know a real Joe Paterno situation. Yeah.
00:14:13
Speaker
Covering up some evil type shit and then getting sick and dying right after. Listen, ultimate move. Pardon your entire family and then peace out. Yeah. but Respect. Respect. Yeah.
00:14:27
Speaker
ah Oh, I don't know. It's just it's it scary to think about. it could be used, back to AI, the tool could be used for so much good. and But i just think I think it's going to be used for a lot of evil. oh That's how it goes. you know People use crude versions of it to do stupid shit and...
00:14:48
Speaker
was all like the deepfake AI porn and stuff of like not only celebrities, but like real people. like Okay, celebrities are real people, but you know what I mean. like People using it to like take like there's someone they had a crush on in college and like make a deepfake porn of that. like That's insane. Yeah.
00:15:06
Speaker
But like- That's the problem. You're always going to have sick fucks like that that do stupid stuff. It's just... yeah ah Do you have the foresight to put the protections in place to make sure that those things don't run rampant?
00:15:22
Speaker
our Our government really isn't built for it. You know, there are others out there that probably would have the foresight to do it or at least slow the progression or the availability of the technology, you know, but that's not America. We're full pedal to the fucking floor, give you the beta version and let you run wild kind of people, you know, so.
00:15:42
Speaker
just I really feel myself being at like full risk of just going Kaczynski in like three years and just living in the woods with like Oh, $15 from t goky Ted Kaczynski in the house. Let's go.
00:15:57
Speaker
One of the noises I have. It ended up being relevant. Holy shit. How deep? I thought your bag wasn't too deep with the soundboard. but No, no. it's It's a little bit deep. how was him i got mad i I thought Nick was playing that because I was like, I don't have that.
00:16:15
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no
00:16:19
Speaker
Yeah, no, i could I could see myself doing that too. And that's probably why I'm not going to travel internationally for maybe the next four years. Because just for saying that, I might end up getting detained.
00:16:30
Speaker
You know, it's wild because my parents were talking about like traveling and and they were like, oh, don't know. we we We kind of want to postpone travel and everything because we don't know what it's going to be like coming back into the country or even what the perception is for you know when we're traveling in other countries. And you know like I immediately heard that. I was like, I don't don't think that that's needed. right like why What are you talking about? Of course, you're going to be able to get back into the country and you're not going to have any issues. But it's like now, the the more that you think about it and the more stories that you hear,
00:17:03
Speaker
yeah It makes sense why people are, you know, are thinking twice about that. And that's two, you know, heterosexual white people talking about traveling. You know, it's like they they should be the least worried out of anybody right now. Unfortunately, that's how it is. But it's like even they're the ones that are considering that. Like, yeah, maybe there's a merit to it. I don't know.
00:17:24
Speaker
Yeah, like I saw like one of the guys I like watch a lot for like politics, like Hasan Piker. He got detained a couple weeks ago at like O'Hare in Chicago. And the person like interviewing him like knew exactly what he was, exactly like what his feelings were about like the administration, like what his job was, what he does for a living.
00:17:43
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And it's like, all right, well, like at first I was like, okay, they probably did that as like a ah stunt, right? Or like just like show like a show of power. Because he was reentering the country from France. So he like got stopped at the border.
00:17:55
Speaker
But then I read that story about that kid. who was just the most he did was liking memes on Instagram or whatever, which is such like a throwaway thing. and it's like, all right, well, if that kid's getting stopped and they're monitoring someone like that, it's a non-zero chance that someone like me doesn't have some sort of profile.
00:18:20
Speaker
Yeah, um like it's weird to say it like as like a like almost like the tinfoil hat thing, but it's like if if a kid who's liking memes on Instagram is getting caught, like, I don't know, like someone who's been outspoken on a platform that doesn't have that many views, by the way, but just to be as outspoken as I've been.
00:18:41
Speaker
It's a non-zero chance. Do they even have the capacity to track that sort of thing? Like, if they're so concerned with this type of bullshit, I can't imagine the type of actual big stuff that's just slipping through the cracks.
00:18:54
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Yeah, exactly. It's not even, like, you monitor, and and this is, like, I'm talking from very, like, high levels of ignorance with, like, you know, I at least have some technical background at this point, but it's, like,
00:19:07
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you can you can monitor specific people with targeted queries, right? But if you want, like say say somebody's like, oh, Victor, we think that he's a person of interest.
00:19:20
Speaker
Then they go to Zencaster and they say, hey, we know he has a podcast. We know that he talks about X, Y, and Z. We don't have time to go through all of it, but we're going to work out a deal with Zencaster where they give us the information and we don't slap them with a lawsuit, right? Whatever it is, or cut funding, whatever kind of,
00:19:35
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um you know funding that they're getting as company and we're going to ask them to provide all the transcripts and we're just going to run a search algorithm on that. you know so it's like You can very quickly, if you work through the people that own these different companies to get the information that you need retroactively, you don't have to be actively monitoring all of it constantly. You just get back whenever you need it.
00:19:57
Speaker
But they have to be collecting all that information and that's massive amounts of data. Yeah. Yeah. Which sucks because it's ah it's an infringement on my First Amendment rights as a U.S. citizen. Which is sad because we're getting to the point now where even the most fundamental parts of our Constitution are being outright, like, questioned.
00:20:20
Speaker
yeah um And it's frustrating to watch, but.
00:20:25
Speaker
I don't know, i'm always I'm always of the mind and I tell this to everybody that that says it's like, it's just getting crazy, like it's gonna run wild. And it's like, yeah, but I feel like our, in and Feel free to tell me that I'm i'm wrong here, but like I feel like our society is always like a pendulum, right? like you're going to have You're going to swing in one political ideology all the way or you know one one way of thinking until it gets crazy, until something drastic happens, people's lives get affected, and then all of a sudden it starts to swing back in the other direction and it just continues to go like that sometimes.
Politics, Economy, and Misconceptions
00:20:57
Speaker
i don't I don't know. It just seems like we're at that point where we're getting all the way out here because you know the The fringes are getting their time in the sun. They're getting all of these things questioned, everything thrown at us about the Constitution. And then once somebody important, unfortunately, gets impacted, it's going to... Then we're getting Zoom or Stalin.
00:21:23
Speaker
say that but it's crazy but to think that like we're we we probably will like we're probably swing right back in the other direction until it goes too far and then you know we find a sweet spot in the middle for two years and then then yeah back in the other direction just yeah wild well the people that decide elections in this country have like the memory of a goldfish or like the second they like put someone in power it feels like they're like
00:21:52
Speaker
just hating all the things that like Trump, like Trump, for example, like a lot of the things he's doing that are very unpopular is like exactly what he campaigned on in terms of like, like tariffs in particular, where like people voted for him because they wanted prices to be like they were in 2019 again.
00:22:13
Speaker
um not understanding that inflation was like a global issue brought on by the pandemic. And, um,
00:22:23
Speaker
what would be required to make prices go back down to 2019 would be like a complete economic collapse. At very least, like a massive recession and like widespread unemployment.
00:22:37
Speaker
So it's just like the people that are deciding these elections just like don't understand the most fundamental things about like how the world works or how the economy works. Well, that's it. Nobody, I'm not gonna say nobody.
00:22:50
Speaker
A lot of people don't dig that deep. right? I remember CNN putting out like a poll on election day about how like ah ah a certain percentage of people, and it was like a shocking percentage.
00:23:01
Speaker
I can't remember it. and I don't want to misquote it of people that went to the, the, the voting booths that day. And we're asking the, the, the people running um their particular location, why Joe Biden wasn't on the ticket.
00:23:14
Speaker
So it's like, ah you hear stuff like that and you're like, Oh, so you really don't pay attention. Like you don't, You have no idea what's going Yeah. That must feel great. but right Yeah. I mean, I would love, I would love to have that kind of like.
00:23:28
Speaker
Those people are probably so happy. Yeah. Just walking around with nothing going on. Just like no fucking clue what's going on besides their day to day stuff. huh Yeah. You know, they walk into the booth one day and they go like, Oh, I saw a commercial about this dude. Bang.
00:23:43
Speaker
And then that's it, going home. yeah never to be Never to be discussed again until four years. you know like it's just It's wild. Nobody is thinking at the level that everybody's talking about. like It's so crazy to get hyper fixated on a situation and think that other people are thinking the same thing. And then they ask a question like that and you're like, what are we doing?
00:24:06
Speaker
you know what i mean like what is why do we have this system in the first place yeah i love democracy and yeah yeah it's it's like what we should side effects of a good like like a free system you know it's frustrating we should we should commit to eugenics oh jesus you think so yeah we have to hold out We have to be prepared, by the way, because Mike's probably going to join at some point.
00:24:30
Speaker
Yeah, and then all the politics ends. All the politics ends. And the eugenic talk begins. Yeah, exactly.
Podcast Directions and Personal Anecdotes
00:24:39
Speaker
We're back in that direction. so We're doing race science here on the podcast.
00:24:46
Speaker
Some frenetics. Crazy. Some Sunday night frenetics. Yeah, we're going to get really into measuring skulls.
00:24:56
Speaker
Oh, man. Well, you know, at least if I get detained, I know three lawyers. So that's good. Yeah. who Hold on. Now I got to clarify who are the three lawyers that you know. That you know them as well. Okay. All right.
00:25:11
Speaker
Like, I think I know three lawyers. So, you you know, three lawyers and i sort of know. You're acquainted with with three lawyers. Yes. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. We got good backup.
00:25:23
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, man. i didn't think he was going to go in that direction, but and you know what? Yeah. We have those discussions. Yeah. You know, we would not be able to talk like that with Mike here. Absolutely not.
00:25:35
Speaker
Absolutely not. No. No, Mike's going to get on and he's going to be upset that we already started, but he won't say anything. Yeah. And then he'll say something like, he'll catch me sipping this coffee here and he'll be like, oh, so I can't eat on the podcast, but you can drink. And I'll be like, all right, Mike.
00:25:51
Speaker
And then we got to process us again. Mike, if I'm not drinking, my hands are going to be shaking. I'm going to be holding the mic. It's right. It'd be a mess. Yeah. Otherwise, I got to put a nicotine patch on. And even that doesn't help sometimes. And, yeah right you know,
00:26:10
Speaker
that's why I'm more i'm always packing ones Yeah. I'm really glad that sins weren't around like when I was 20, because ah that just sort of. that would That would have been bad.
00:26:25
Speaker
i remember i remember Chris Jones when we went to Philly ah like before the pandemic showed me that he had like basically the coffee form of Zins. I didn't even know if Zins existed at that point, but it was just a coffee pouch. It's like a caffeine pouch, but it tasted like coffee. You just put it in the same way you would put it in Zin. But it was caffeine instead of nicotine?
00:26:48
Speaker
Yeah.
00:26:50
Speaker
That was bad. I was popping them just for the taste. The coffee tasted good. I vaguely remember that now that you brought it up. That seems like a quick way to have, like, instead of getting a gold tooth, you just pop one of those and you get an extremely yellow tooth from sucking on that shit.
00:27:08
Speaker
True. Yeah. yeah Yeah. Have you guys ever tried a Zen? i know I've never tried a Xen, no. But um I've always been curious. like i You know what I picture? i just picture trying that and getting an extreme head rush. Yes. Lightheaded.
00:27:27
Speaker
I'm sure it feels awesome.
00:27:31
Speaker
Yeah, i'm i'm I'm sure it does feel pretty great. I'm sure feels awesome. That's hilarious. I can't believe, I mean, i didn't complain. I asked why your dinner took three hours. I can't believe Mike complained that your dinner took three hours last week, and now here we are.
00:27:45
Speaker
You he was going to dinner at 6 o'clock. It's 10. Yeah, I, um, that's why I take those comments with a grain of salt. He's just going to come around.
00:27:57
Speaker
That's hilarious. Oh, okay, ah you told him that we were already starting. Yeah. I told him a half hour ago. He's not, he hasn't hopped on. That's all right. Yeah. I'm going to send up a text again. Oh man.
00:28:11
Speaker
What else happened this week?
00:28:14
Speaker
Oh, those, those, uh, those, those legends down in new Orleans, uh,
00:28:22
Speaker
busted out of prison. didn't see that. Oh, yeah, I did
Prison Break and Heist Comparisons
00:28:26
Speaker
see that. Yeah. There's 10 people, but like 10 people busted out of a prison in and New Orleans. It was crazy. Like a high security prison. Like these guys were like armed robbers. One of the guys was even ah like a double murderer, I think. think he like literally killed two guys.
00:28:41
Speaker
Okay, maybe they should catch these guys. Now the families of the guys he killed are like in hiding now. Jesus. Oh, yeah Jesus. I think it was like, all probably gang related or something like that. It was like a targeted like hit, you know?
00:28:57
Speaker
So but it was like a planned escape. Yeah. So like somehow they were able to remove the toilet, like in their cell. And there was just this big empty space behind the toilet.
00:29:13
Speaker
Yeah. Had access to like, I don't know. I guess they did in the middle of the night. I don't know how nobody noticed them on the security cameras just running out the front door of the prison.
00:29:26
Speaker
And how is there not an extra layer of like security past that? Yeah, i it's beyond me. like you You look at it on TV or like on the shows, and you're like, there's no way that there's no way they set up the place like that.
00:29:41
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And there's no way that you could get away with something like that, but apparently you can. They've only got three of them so far. There's still seven of them. geez One of the guys they found underneath a car in the French Quarter.
00:29:54
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Just hiding underneath the car. I think hiding. Or maybe he had too he had too good of a night down there on Bourbon Street. ah Wouldn't be the first time somebody. one else to stay. Wouldn't be the first time someone. ah um the car I went over my head.
00:30:14
Speaker
and went over my head. I'm looking at like the the hole they made to escape. It's really not that big. But there's just drawings over like on top of it that it's it's a smiley face with the eyes saying most hated, which is sick.
00:30:30
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Nice. um And then it says it says too easy, l LOL, with two being the wrong form. They just put T.O. Awesome. And then ah I'm innocent, but I'm miss ah scratched out and put we in innocent.
00:30:46
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Yeah. Good connection there. Yeah. One guy one guy's clearly innocent and you know, someone else, the other, they're just tagging along.
00:30:58
Speaker
Inclusive, though. That's nice. Yeah. They're fellow escapees. Well, I'm sure it took a certain level of teamwork to to get this done. And selflessness, you know, because they put themselves more at risk by grouping all these other guys in.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's right. a real A real Ocean's Eleven type heist. Yeah, which, by the way, I watched recently. Still fantastic. what a good movie. What a good movie, dude. All three of them are good.
00:31:26
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They're good. 12's not as good, in my opinion, because they focus too much on other aspects, like the the the cop girlfriend for Brad Pitt or whatever.
00:31:36
Speaker
They focus a lot on her. But the third one, unmatched, dude. I just i love those movies so much. I love the the second one when ah Julia Roberts is ah just acting as if she is Julia Roberts in real life. yeah yeah that That kind of makes the movie for me.
00:31:58
Speaker
So good. i wonder I wonder if we could pull something off like that. You think that if we put enough time and effort that we could? No. No, they yeah they' have access to so much that I feel like we wouldn't like. i think in like the first one, they were like getting access to some of the bank information by going to like whatever town center that they had with the blueprints and they had somebody budd that they knew or insecurity.
00:32:23
Speaker
It's like, how do you even begin to get that kind of relationship with other people? be like yeah dude whenever you need to come in and steal some blue blueprints just let me know i'll let you in because the security guard networking you know it's all connections that that i feel like plausible you think you think we just do that no okay i don't think we know a guy we we gotta know a guy and we But that seems badly we don't. You really got to know him, too. You can't end up with, like, a Wayne Grow type of situation. Yeah, exactly. know
00:32:54
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ah I watched the first, like, 15 minutes of that movie because I got some new speakers.
Tributes and Humorous Anecdotes
00:33:00
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um The movie Heat, have you seen that, Austin? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, fucking awesome. that's So good.
00:33:06
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ah Just the gunshot, like, that's the best... guns have ever sounded in a movie. Ever. Yeah. the The best, like Val Kilmer going through and aiming down one and then aiming down the other. Dude, it's so cool.
00:33:20
Speaker
I love that. Damn. Rest in peace, Val Kilmer, man. Yeah. Rest in peace. What a legend. Sad. so i still think that I still think of rest and penis every single time.
00:33:32
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i I don't know if you watch, um Nick, the the studio with Seth Rogen. I watched the first episode and I really enjoyed it.
00:33:43
Speaker
So I got to like really get on it. they At the end of that first episode where they're sitting on the couch after the day. It may be the first episode. I think it is. but they're sitting on the couch after like the long ass day and they're having like a drink and they're watching a movie and like one of the actors in there they're like, I heard he has a, heard he had a big dick. Right. and And he's like, yeah, I heard that too. It's kind of crazy. He's like too bad. He passed away. However long ago he's like, yeah, rest in peace. And he's like, rest in penis dude.
00:34:11
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Now I think about that every single time.
00:34:16
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I don't know i think we could get it done. We'd have to do a lot of dirty work, though. like We'd have to like look up people and find dirt on them and yeah find some local bar that they're at and sit next to them and show them the photos and be like...
AI's Dark Side and Nostalgia
00:34:28
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Yeah, we have to do some real blackmail. yeah We would.
00:34:31
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Which, hey, listen. Use that AI. yeah Find out a lot of dirt. that That is one of my, i don't know if you guys have seen this, but it just, it just clicked in my head.
00:34:43
Speaker
Like it it is like one of those, like, um like on the street in public pranks. And I do think it's kind of like, not mean, I find them funny, but like a lot of the guys that it's happening to don't know what's going on, but some kids will like, it's an AI app where you take a photo of a guy or whatever, like say like a target employee or like a Best Buy employee, and then you have them AI make out with another guy,
00:35:12
Speaker
but yeah And then you show it to them like, oh, you're famous. Yeah, it's like, yo, this is you, bro. You're famous. And they'll get so max like um I'm not gay. I'm not. I don't like making out with dudes.
00:35:25
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We got to do stuff like that to blackmail the other people that giving us info. Now, it's like about it. AID fix might render digital blackmail completely obsolete.
00:35:36
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Right. yeah because you could you could argue it's like easiest cop ever it's like it's it's ai it's not me people would kind of just have to give you the benefit of the doubt yeah and you would have to like there's no there's no trail there's no digital trail for how that gets built right no black box that's yeah that's pretty scary that sucks yeah not good not good But damn, is it fun to watch.
00:36:09
Speaker
I saw another one where, or not, they it's not AI related, but it was the one where like they would sit guys down and they would say like, all right, I'm going you know, perform a trick for you. Like I'm a magician. going to perform a trick.
00:36:23
Speaker
And so they do the, the like they sit in front of them and they do the hand wave and they go, you are no longer gay. And then the guy's like, no way, I was ah was never gay. and he's like, exactly.
00:36:34
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and dance I was never gay. i was like, okay. You know? All right, sure. It's like that that Key and Peele skit where it's like it's like a daytime television show or something like that.
00:36:48
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And um some woman's giving a speech about like, I think she's talking about acceptance or equality. And every time she mentions like, a gay man, it just pans to the same guy in the audience. amma's like Yeah.
00:37:06
Speaker
He's trying to like hide behind people. Like at the end, it's fine. so Good. I miss that show. Me too. Yeah. But, uh, you know, Keegan's killing it. And I don't know what happened to Jordan.
00:37:24
Speaker
Wait. Yeah.
Film Industry Insights and Recommendations
00:37:26
Speaker
No, Keegan's doing like Capital One commercials in Jordan's play. He's one of the most famous horror directors on the planet. Yeah, exactly. Isn't he coming out with another one?
00:37:38
Speaker
Am I wrong about that? i think it has been announced already. I can't remember. mean i oh yeah. it's It's called Him. What would you sacrifice to become the greatest of all time?
00:37:53
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Right. It's about OJ. I think he might just be the executive producer on that one. Oh, really? Is he directing that one? ah No, he's not.
00:38:05
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He is. Yeah, he's one of the executive producers. Because that's going to come out this year. I feel like he has his next project has been announced, though, I think. Could be wrong. Let's check filmography.
00:38:21
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There's Monkey Man. He directed Monkey Man? I think he was a pretty good show on that too. I'm not sure exactly what that entails.
00:38:34
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You know? Sometimes I feel like it just means they sat in on like a meeting or two. and Since they're a big name... They can just get their name slapped on it. Yeah. Or like for for him, like he has like a production company, so he could be like funding it almost or like, because he tried to get the rights for the new Zack Kreger film. Right.
00:38:55
Speaker
And that deal fell through because his team didn't offer enough money. And so he fired the whole team. The script sold for like $40 million dollars or something like that.
00:39:07
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Yeah, and I think Peele was ready to go even higher. and Which, you know, that's sick for Zach. Way to get the bag. forty million I didn't know it was $40 million. dollars That's crazy. Zach still would have been the director, though.
00:39:20
Speaker
Yeah, no, it wouldn't have been. It would appeal wanted to produce. it Right. yeah he didn't He didn't want to direct it. He knew that and like thing, but he wanted to produce it so bad and he wanted to be his company. But his team was like, no, we're not going that high. And he fired them all because he's like, it doesn't matter how fucking high the number was. I wanted it And that's just the bottom line. He's like, if I don't get the Miss March sequel s script, I'm going to flip.
00:39:46
Speaker
Oh man, I have yet to see that movie. its Supposedly it's terrible. yeah and They were completely in over their head making it. I'm not sure what happened with Zach between that and barbarian but obviously he uh figured it out off in quality although those came probably came out like 12 years maybe maybe longer and but yeah this was 2009 and then barbarian was like right
00:40:17
Speaker
i think it was twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two yeah have you seen that ausison I haven't. I was just about to say, I've heard good things about it, but I've never seen it. It's pretty sick. it's It takes like complete, like if you watch it, which I would recommend, it's pretty cool, but I wouldn't look up anything about the movie. I would go and just completely blind.
00:40:36
Speaker
Okay. because I like doing that. It takes just the complete left turn like halfway through the movie. that is like You think it's going to be one thing, and and it's completely different.
00:40:47
Speaker
Totally another. Yeah. Yeah, I'm for it. I love going into movies just dry, like not knowing what I'm about to see. like um With Sinners, ah I didn't know that Michael B. Jordan was playing both characters.
00:41:05
Speaker
Well, yeah, I feel like that was kind of they were light on that in the early marketing. um Yeah. You know, like because I would see like the trailers in the theaters and then I stopped paying attention to it after like the early ones that I saw.
00:41:19
Speaker
And so I had the same thing. i went in and I was like, oh, fuck, he's playing two people. You've seen it. So, yeah, dude, that movie fucking blew me away. It was good. Yeah.
00:41:30
Speaker
I, I truly like, I didn't know how, like what direction it was going to take. And in the beginning, like even just like some of the musical pieces, you're like, Oh, this is awesome. You get swept up in that and then it takes a total left turn.
00:41:43
Speaker
Um, I, I love that. Have you seen it, Nick? Um, no, I'm so mad at myself that I haven't seen it yet, but I've dying to, but, uh, Yeah. the it It looks like somebody's... like Like it was a passion project. Oh, yeah. yeah Because there was a lot of effort that was put into the production and the music and like some of the technical ah achievements that they had to make it seamless between the two characters that Jordan was playing. like
00:42:15
Speaker
It is so cool. And this is Coogler's first like completely original... work too. Yeah. Is it? Yeah. Yeah. It's all IP. And then Fruitvale station is obviously based on a, a real thing.
00:42:33
Speaker
Um, so hopefully he can get out from doing just like black Panther movies and the MCU and, and just solely be doing completely original work.
00:42:48
Speaker
i don't know I don't know if this is true or not, but I thought that somebody was saying that the the intention was to make multiple. I don't know. I've seen a lot of fan stuff online, like fan theories. Like, oh, I would love to see a sequel or like um a continuation and stuff like that.
00:43:05
Speaker
But I think that would kind of cheapen... For me, that would cheapen what I like if they were to do like not universe. i hate But that's kind of the thing is like I hate universe building in films. I just kind of want to see standalone good films.
00:43:20
Speaker
And I think if they try to do like a sequel or some sort of like.
00:43:27
Speaker
i don't want to give too much away, obviously, but like if they were to do like a future piece or something like I would hate that. I agree. i just think that like it's so... As as um upsetting as it is, it's so cool to just see a unique story.
00:43:40
Speaker
Now it is. And for them to continue on with that, it would feel like they're just after the money. You just know the studio is going to push for it, though. With how much money it made. The fact that that he gets ownership of are the you know the of the movie after, what, 25 years something? I think it was yeah something like that.
00:44:01
Speaker
dash That made me think that that they were going to lean into it more. Or that they had like he would lean into it more, but the studio would shy away kind of deal. But i think I hope he just leaves it alone.
00:44:12
Speaker
Because yeah it's cool on its own. It's very, very cool. I love the the switching of cameras. like they that You have to see it in IMAX. Because they use an IMAX for like half the... like They shoot certain stuff in IMAX and then certain stuff in standard and they have aspect ratio changes within the film to like really pop in certain scenes.
00:44:35
Speaker
And I've like found that like crazy. That's pretty sick. Like it added a lot to the movie. There was, there was only one theater in this area, like in the, the, the five boroughs that does the 70 millimeter IMAX is the Lincoln square one. I've been, yeah, it's awesome. Yeah.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, it looked really cool. And I had one friend that went there to to see that. And he said it was awesome, right, to see it, like, flip through and stuff. It was still really cool in a regular IMAX, but, like, I... No, we you should definitely check that out. I saw Dune 2 there, and it was, like, by far the craziest theater experience I've ever had. Like, you you are not prepared for how fucking big this this screen is when you walk into the theater.
00:45:22
Speaker
i think that that's so cool like you want to talk about a cool use of ai like you ever see when it comes up on the feed of people they take the the narrow aspect ratio of like widescreen and then they extend it out it looks so cool i don't know how a whole movie would play like that like if it would get tired but i just love that idea of like using it to to see a movie or or a clip like that in a totally different way it just like that seems like a cool application of it but like obviously people aren't gonna dedicate all their time to that but that would be really cool to see a movie film like that yeah like a totally different aspect ratio
00:46:04
Speaker
Well, you're missing half like the frame, too, when a movie is shot on IMAX and you can no longer watch it on IMAX because those usually only run for a couple weeks. like There's no way of viewing it the way it was meant to be viewed from your home, which is like, that kind of sucks.
00:46:23
Speaker
oh Yeah, unless you get some some crazy... screen to do that, right? Like you would have to... You get a projector or something maybe. Even then. don't even know that.
00:46:34
Speaker
Even then you don't do it, right? It cheapens the quality of it. yeah If you're just getting a regular at-home projector for like $100, the quality will never be as good. and But also, when they do the digital versions of it, does it stay in the same aspect ratio? That's kind of a weird question. I don't know.
00:46:53
Speaker
Like, does it stay in that same IMAX ratio when... No, I think if you're just watching it in standard def, it just stays one ratio the whole time. You don't get to see the switches. And it just cuts off whatever on the top and bottom of the screen. Yeah.
00:47:07
Speaker
just You just can't see what's there. Because if you're watching it on a streaming service, they have to make sure that it fits all. Right. Yeah. Or they cut it. But if you bought a special version...
00:47:19
Speaker
online, then you could probably do it. I don't know Sorry. I don't know why I'm thinking about that out
Distribution Challenges and Film Legacy
00:47:23
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loud. Speaking speaking of movies, this just popped in my head when you said this, Nick, but movies that are like meant to be seen in certain places.
00:47:31
Speaker
ah do you Do you guys know like Megalopolis? Oh, yeah yeah. Which is like... Coppola's like his magnum opus or whatever, which is hilarious for the guy who directed Godfather.
00:47:43
Speaker
and sold the vineyard to get the funds to... Yeah. Really? Yes. Crazy. It's utter dog shit, apparently. it's It's awful. You cannot see it anywhere unless you go to a theater where he is screening it because he wants the movie to be seen the way he and like he intended it in a theater or on an American Airlines flight.
00:48:10
Speaker
What? Awesome. Those are the only two ways you can see it. What a a weird poll. Because he he sold he sold the movie to American Airlines. So they have it on the entertainment system.
00:48:22
Speaker
Yeah. Like the inf flight the in-flight infotainment system. That has the right ratio for him? oh No, absolutely not. But they probably paid him a a decent amount of money. He clearly needs it after bombing that fucking film.
00:48:37
Speaker
Yeah, well, he's like, I got to slow out now. Yeah. Didn't it take him like and a ridiculous amount of time to put that film together? He's like working on it for decades. I just don't understand. And he has to self fund it because I'm sure every studio he pitched it to is like, this is just complete nonsense. Like, we're no we're not gonna help you make this yeah that's the problem with like early success and then just absolute infinite amount of time to yourself yeah it's like you come out in your 30s he was probably in his 30s when he directed godfather 1 2 apocalypse now
00:49:17
Speaker
it's like where do you even what do even do after that like no you've literally hit the peak yeah he also did that he also helped on the conversation no that was like directed by him fantastic like jesus christ what a run the conversation well the godfather the conversation godfather part two then apocalypse now all within the same decade is fucking crazy Yeah, you probably had to come out of that thinking like, I mean, I'm the second coming of Jesus Christ. And yeah, really, I need to work on my magnum opus for the next couple of decades.
00:49:48
Speaker
I don't know if you guys have seen the conversation with Gene Hackman and like, um who else is in this movie? John Cazale. So I was just thinking that John Cazale, because like he appeared in five movies, I think, in his life.
00:50:03
Speaker
Yep. He was in The Godfather 1, The Godfather 2, The Conversation, Dog Day Afternoon, and Deer Hunter. deer hunter and then he died of cancer oh man so he was in five of the greatest movies like ever made all fucking bang and then died yeah like those those movies were fucking like i watched i had a john kazali week one week uh when i was unemployed and i watched all five and
00:50:35
Speaker
Like I didn't realize how good dog day. That's a good, yeah that's a great movie. Like the conversation. Like I think the conversation is in my top 20 films. yeah I fucking love that movie. It's on streaming.
00:50:45
Speaker
Uh, I think it's on Amazon. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I haven't seen to check it out. Yeah. i have to check out too, but I've also never seen the deer hunter. Um, The deer hunter was good. i I put it off for a while because It's depressing, right?
00:51:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's really fucking sad. But like the um like the Russian roulette scene that they recreate in Black Ops, I had avoided it for like so long because I didn't want to watch it. And I'd seen the...
00:51:12
Speaker
um like the clip, I don't know if you've ever seen it with like Walken and De Niro and like what happens there. It's much worse than like much sadder.
00:51:23
Speaker
I would say not worse because obviously you see what happens, but the way that it happens is really fucking depressing. um But yeah, it's it's a really fucking sad movie, but it's also sick. It's also fucking really good. Yeah.
00:51:37
Speaker
um You ever see those, ah sorry, this going to like a total 180. you You ever see those ah clips of people like on TikTok that are watching a scary movie and they'll see like a scary jump scare and then they'll jump to their phone immediately and they'll start playing like Mickey Mouse Clubhouse or something like that.
00:51:55
Speaker
Totally. They'll like desensitize themselves. Oh my God. I'm just thinking about something like that. Something really sad happens at a movie and you're like, oh, too much. and you This is getting too real.
00:52:06
Speaker
It's getting real. Where's my Mickey Mouse Clubhouse? I'm just throwing Farmville. And i see when that happens and I'm in the theater, I'm just, I'm just sinking so deep into my seat and then just putting my hands to my face. So I don't get jump scared myself by the movie.
00:52:20
Speaker
I'm just, I'm covering my eyes. I've done that. Like I've actively had, I used to hate scary movies and I would go to the theaters and I would actively try to like sit there with my eyes open, like watching whatever. i felt like I could train myself into not being scared by it.
00:52:39
Speaker
Yeah. Never worked. No, they're absolutely never worked. I just I'm gullible for that kind of stuff. Yeah. And it's so loud. I mean, like you can't like, how can you not? It's like if somebody snaps their fingers in front of your face, you're naturally going to react like they play it so loud in the theaters. It's hard not to just even if you know it's coming.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah. So it's so good about it.
Podcast Participation and Listener Engagement
00:53:05
Speaker
Yo, I don't think we're to Mike. I don't think getting him either. He said he was leaving dinner in 10 minutes an hour ago. ah You know what he probably did? He probably was like, they started without me. Fuck it. I'm not going on. bet it.
00:53:17
Speaker
I'm going to call him. Okay. Right now? Should I or should I not? Go yeah you know but's let's We'll do the group FaceTime thing.
00:53:28
Speaker
Oh, from the chat? Yeah, from the chat. You guys don't have to join it. I'll just i'll do it.
00:53:38
Speaker
Okay, I see it. Let's see if he picks up.
00:53:44
Speaker
Because you know what? He got mad that one time that we did the episode and didn't call. He got mad. He was on vacation in Argentina. was like, you guys didn't even call me to to ask me to come on the pod.
00:53:55
Speaker
Like, dude, you're on vacation. Enjoy. I'm not going to ask you to do a podcast while you're in another country with your mom. Yeah, with his mom and his family. yeah i would have I would have found a way. like no dude It's completely unreasonable.
00:54:10
Speaker
yeah don't think he's picking up. He might be mad at us, but that's fine.
00:54:14
Speaker
He usually says something. He was discovering his German heritage in Argentina. Oh, Mike joined. He joined the the FaceTime call. Go ahead. Go ahead.
00:54:25
Speaker
Connected it.
00:54:30
Speaker
Oh, he left. Oh, so ah nobody was there. Yeah. Oh my God. All right. Gotta love it. Mike, don't be mad, buddy.
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah. He's going to listen to this on Friday. He's going to send us a text being like, I can't believe you guys did this without me.
00:54:52
Speaker
Oh, man. Late for one and you fucking replace me? what it
00:55:01
Speaker
Whatever. yeah it's fine. It's all good. He's a big boy. Yeah. All right. Well, sure. Wrap it up. Yeah. Pretty late. It's getting to bedtime. Yeah.
00:55:12
Speaker
Yep. Yep. Yeah. if If Mike was had given us any sign that he would come on, I'd i'd probably do like another five, but. Seems a little late for that. So, well, either way, Nick, welcome back. You've officially taken Mike's spot.
00:55:27
Speaker
Thank you. Thank you. No, happy to have you on.
00:55:33
Speaker
Yeah. um So if you if you guys are new here, if you haven't left the review on the podcast, um please give it five stars. ah you You guys probably weren't here for two ups ago two episodes ago when we said that we have a deal with Spotify.
00:55:49
Speaker
ah where if you give us a one star, it actually locks your account. they they They keep charging you for it, but it locks the account. So to avoid that, you can only give us five stars. Raytheon ah drone strikes your house if you give us a one star.
00:56:04
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is is works In order to keep my job, I have to confirm that that's not true.
00:56:11
Speaker
not true But what I can say is that if you do leave one star, then the government does monitor you. He just said he walked through the door. I'll stay on for a little bit. If you guys want to leave, that's okay.
00:56:24
Speaker
I think, no, I think we should end it. If we try to. thank you think that's going to piss him off more. u All right. Stop the recording.