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Episode 729 - Making the News f/ Alex Firer and Fred C. Stresing
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The creators of the new comic based on the Doughboys podcast join us to talk about turning a podcast into a comic, selling direct to fans, the Ren & Stimpy "gross-up," Doughboy from Marvel Comics, and much more!
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Right as I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?
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got War Rocket Ajax to bring back his body.
Hosts Introduction and Humor
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Terminator X-E-O!
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Hello everybody and welcome to War Rocket Ajax. This is the internet's most explosive comic book and pop culture podcast. We are your hosts. My name is Chris Sims. With me as always is Matt Wilson. And Matt, if I was a fast food item, I believe I would be a cheesy gordita crunch.
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You see, you like I don't even have to explain, you see the logic of every piece, don't you? I do, it's all there. It's all there. It's all there. would like to believe that I'm Cajun Foley biscuit.
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Matt, you the only thing you have in common with a Cajun Foley biscuit is that I love you both. Yeah, i yeah it's i've I would love to be Cajun Foley biscuit, but...
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i think i'm probably I think I'm probably just a Butterburger. e Interesting. Interesting. I wouldn't have picked you as a Butterburger either, but i can see i think I can see how you got there.
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Maybe I'm chicken for fries?
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What would you say I am? ah i mean It's tough. It's it's tough. You know? Maybe I would be a drink. I don't maybe i'd be here's the i don't think you'd be a Cajun Flavie biscuit, but I do think you'd be a two-piece.
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Oh, yeah. Well, two-piece my go-to anyway, yeah often. So i would I would absolutely be a two-piece box. Because there's two sides to Matt Wilson. A lot of people don't know that. a lot of people, they just get the thigh.
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They don't know about the wing. Classic Gemini. Two sides. Classic
Guest Announcement: Alex Fehrer and Fred C. Stressing
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Gemini. Matt, we've got a great show this week. We do. ah We have some very fun guests on the show. ah Alex Fehrer and Fred C. Stressing are going to be in our interview segment a little bit later.
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And they're going to be talking about their their new comic about the Doughboys podcast. Yeah. that um you can go to a special website and buy.
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and I had to ask about that distribution setup because I was so just expecting this to be ah crowdfunding campaign, a Kickstarter or something.
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And then it just wasn't. It was a comic that was already made that you go to a website and buy. no you can just go get it. like it's Like it's a real thing. Yeah. ah So ah we're going to talk about that as well as the book and and how you make a podcast into a comic and all of that kind of stuff a little bit later in the show.
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But before we do that, Chris, we do have some business to take care of right here at the top of the show, starting with thanking our newest supporters over on Patreon.
Patreon and Listener Engagement
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That's right, Matt. Now, these are the people who they want to do what I would consider to be the right thing.
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They want to give us money. right And it used to be a hassle. You might be old enough to remember, sender ah send a postcard, send in a self-addressed stamped envelope to try and win these X-Men action figures from Fox Kids.
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And you would have to go all the way down to 729 Gimmick Street, because there used to be a mailbox there. You remember when there used to be a mailbox there? There's not a mailbox anymore. Now it's a lot easier. All you gotta do is go to patreon.com slash warrocketajax where you can kick in as little as a dollar a month to help us keep doing the show, keep doing all the spinoffs and side projects and fun stuff that we do.
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Most importantly, help us pay those gimmicks they keep sending in the mail called bills. And folks, there might not be a mailbox there anymore. but if you go to patreon.com slash warrocketajax, you can join the Gimmick Street Preservation Society.
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That's right. Instead of a mailbox, what is at 729 Gimmick Street has been determined by Derek Conrad, a.k.a. the... The God Hand?
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ah Conrad is one member of the God Hand, but ah this is Derek Conrad, oh a k a.k.a. a the occasional boss cat from Discord, who... who If you're at the $15 level on our Patreon, you have joined the Gimmick Street Preservation Society, and you can name one address on Gimmick Street.
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um In fact, in the future, you might be able to name another address, but we want to give everybody a chance ah to start with. Derek's... address on Gimmick Street here at 729 is the Nadia Van Dyne Memorial Pollinator Garden for unstoppable wasps and other bugs that need heroes.
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Is she dead? I don't think so. Yeah, I think maybe our listeners don't know what the word memorial means. threeania what what do What do you call it when someone's still alive?
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I mean, it could just be the Nadia Van Dyne Garden. Yeah, or the honor in honor of Nani of Andine Garden. ah Either way, um that is what is there at 729 Gimmick Street. Thank you, Derek. Thank you, Derek. and And hey, no thanks to your cousin, Conrad, who's in the God Hand.
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That guy? Creep. Yeah. little little little Look, I don't know that they're related. We don't we we don't need to imply that they're related. There is a guy named Conrad in the God Hand. That much we know.
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What, do you think two people can have the same last name, and one of them is fictional, and they're not related? No. Listen. Grow up.
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Well, I'm going to talk about Heroes Con in a minute, and
Community Reflections at Heroes Con 2025
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we'll talk a lot about people having same names. Chris will also thank our newest supporters over on Patreon, now that we've talked about the location ah Let's see. I'm not sure that we have any new patrons, but we are doing ah pretty well over on Patreon.
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ah We are currently at 432 paid patrons. four hundred and thirty two paid patrons So that's pretty good. um This episode will be going up at the end of the month, which means it's also wake up wake almost wake wake up, wake up, wake up the first of the month, which means it'll be a great time to join over there and boost that number.
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ah So ah head over to Patreon and help us out there if you can. As a patron, you get... You can support this show weekly, Every Story Ever monthly, Comics Catch-Up monthly. We just did Comics Catch-Up about Silver Surfer.
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I think people were pretty happy to hear that. ah Movie Fighters and Snag Situation. You support all those shows, and as a patron, you get every single one of those shows completely ad-free in a special Patreon feed that's just for you ah that ah has all those shows without ads.
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um Doesn't that sound nice? And that's at any level of the Patreon. At the $5 level, you get bonus content. That's bonus audio that we record specially for Patreon, outtakes that I cut out of the show and put on Patreon, writing that Chris and I have done that's over there on Patreon. um All of that bonus content is at the $5 level. There's a pretty nice little backlog of it that you can go and check out.
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At the $10 level, you get line-stepping privileges for our segments, which currently include every story ever, and 1 to 10 of swords. At the $15 level, you get to name a spot on Gimmick Street. And at the $20 level, you get a t-shirt every single year.
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um I think I'm done collecting sizes for the t-shirts. I assume that I've given the people... at the t-shirt level enough time to respond. I still have some non-responses, but I'm guessing you just don't want a t-shirt.
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And so I'm going to put in the order for t-shirts ah very soon and get those out to everybody at that level with the 2025 t-shirt designed by David Wynn.
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Very good. It's extremely good. I love it. Yeah. ah So... That's the t-shirt level. If you're unable to help us monetarily, which we understand, you can help us out in other ways. You can leave us five-star review on the podcasting app that you use, whatever it may be.
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Or you can just spread the word about the show, give us some good word of mouth, tell your friends and family to listen to War Rocket Ajax, and maybe they can back our Patreon and and boost that number. Get us to a beast.
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We already passed the funny weed number, so now we're barreling to a beast.
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We'll get there. Make it happen, folks.
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With that, Chris, now that we've thanked our Patreon supporters, it's time for some checks and recs. What do you say? Let's do it.
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Chris, what do you have to check in with this week? I'm a bike fix, Matt. Nice. That's it. That's kind of all I did this week, other than work and play ah Like a Dragon Isshin, which is, so that's the two things I do now.
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But now I can add a third thing to that, which is riding my bike. I tried to ride it around a little bit a month ago. Had a leak in the tire.
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That was no good. Got it fixed. Now I'm ready to hit the road. yeah Love it. it's um i you know It's very hot. so So be careful. Don't hydrate when you're out there riding in the heat.
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Oh, yeah. but Absolutely. Absolutely. ah it's it's It has cooled off a little bit here. i Damn it. Why are you and Benito always trying to trick me into talking about the weather on a goddamn podcast?
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Look, I'm worried about your yeah getting heat stroke. Well, I should be fine, but thank you. But yes, that's I'm excited to to go ride my bike around. gonna ride over I'm thinking tomorrow, if it's not too rainy, goddammit, if it's not too rainy,
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I'm going to ride over to the little neighborhood cafe that's a ah little bit away, and then ah hit a little bookstore on the way back and pick up some books I ordered. That sounds like a lovely summer day. Doesn't it?
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It sounds nice. Yes.
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Matt, what have you been up to this week? Well, talking about some lovely summer days, I spent a weekend at Heroes Convention 2025, twenty twenty five And I have to say, I had some trepidation about it.
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I didn't have the best convention experiences pre-COVID, and I've done all of one convention since COVID. And that one was here in my hometown.
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ah So I didn't know what to expect. I didn't know what was going to happen at Heroes Con. And what ended up happening was a very fun weekend filled with a lot of people I really like.
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I got to see a lot of folks. I got to see Jeremy Whitley, Kyle Starks, Carla Pacheco, who loves the fact that I always select her as the winner of fights when we have comic creators fight. And I will always pick Carla as the winner of a fight.
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Even and sometimes especially if she's not involved in it. That's correct. Like, if you're like, who would win in a fight between Chris and Matt? It's Carla, probably. Probably. I got to see Gavin Guidry, who I met at a con like seven years ago, if not longer, who now draws Superman.
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Hell yeah. Yeah.
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Hell yeah, Gavin. um But Gavin was very nice, ah and and and it was great to see him again. Jeremy Brooks, who's a local artist, who it was great to see.
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And I know I'm leaving some people out. um I sat across from Tom DeFalco. I gave don Tom DeFalco a book and told him about how um the inspiration for that book was the Spider-Man villain, The Gibbon.
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which he at least edited some stories about. ah But I also said, like, hey, if you see JM, because I love The Legion of Losers, if you see JM, tell him about my book.
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Because The Legion of Losers was really, like, the inspiration for this comic. so um and And Tom DeFalco was very nice about it, and... ah and We had a great conversation.
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it was It was a very nice time speaking to Tom DeFalco. But what was really great was all the Ajax fans who came by the table, talked to me, bought a book, bought a t-shirt.
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um I sold a decent number of War Rocket Ajax t-shirts. On Sunday, I was... i was so telling people to make me an offer on a t-shirt because I did not want to carry that box. Free t-shirt with ah with purchase of smile.
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ah I didn't give any away for free, but but I sold some at some bargain barrel prices. um But yeah, carrying around that t-shirt box, worst part of the weekend, easily.
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um carrying it in and carrying it out. But um look, sometimes if I could be extremely real with y'all, sometimes I think about how I wish the audience for this show was bigger, but we make a comics podcast.
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We cast our a lot.
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But one thing I cannot say that I wish is that or that I can't possibly wish for is an audience that is nicer, more engaged, or ah more supportive.
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Because... So many people came to the table and said that they listened to Ajax and e loved the show and were so nice to me. And every chat that we had was ah wonderful.
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And I had a chat with some folks about how there's a third Matt Wilson who's appearing at conventions now. Did I tell you about this, Chris? No. There's colorist Matt Wilson. He wasn't there.
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Right. There's me. I'm familiar with you. Thank you. And now there's another guy who is a variant cover artist whose name is also Matt Wilson.
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He was there. Buddy? um His table does not say to prominently say Matt Wilson on it. He has like the name of his company over his table.
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But people came up to my table and thought I was him. and I had to be like, no, he's over there. There was one guy who came up to my table and was like, hey, you know a lot of people from Buffalo? And I was like, no.
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I don't. um I know one person from Buffalo. His name is George. and ah And he was like, oh, that's not who that's not who I'm thinking then. And I was like, well, that must be that other Matt Wilson then.
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But buy a book for me. And the guy was like, okay. That's how you do it. That's the thing. That's the thing. If you get anything like wrong about the person that you're talking to, you've got to buy a book.
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You gotta to buy a book. You gotta to buy it. I've had to do it. I've had to be like, okay, well let me ah let me just take this then. Thanks. he did The guy did buy a book, and and i I do appreciate that. but As with the colorist Matt Wilson years ago, I had several Ajax fans talk about taking one of my books to the other Matt Wilson's table to get him to sign it.
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Yeah. ah So, all in all, um a better Heroes Con than I could have possibly thought ah it would be.
Audience Appreciation and Recommendations
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ah because Because, look, sometimes a con can make you despair.
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But this one did not. it If anything, it was invigorating, and it makes me look forward to going to ah ro City in September.
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So, ah thank you. That's what I wanted to say. I wanted to say thank you to everybody who came to the table. And if you are on the other side of the country, um please come do the same at Rose City.
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Come see me, buy a book, just talk to me, and make my day enjoyable. That's what I want more than anything. All right, time for some recommendations. What do you have to recommend, Chris?
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Matt, I would like to recommend ah television show.
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That you can watch on your television. so Interesting. Assuming that your television has Apple Computer Television Edition. Do go on.
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And that is Murderbot. It is the television show adaptation of ah The Murderbot Diaries by ah Martha Wells. ah Novellas and novels that I have recommended before on the show because I think they're a real hoot. The show follows ah the first of the novellas, at least so far, pretty ah pretty closely. I've watched the first two episodes.
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And here's what I'll say. It's a very enjoyable show. I would recommend reading the book much more than I would recommend reading the show, or watching the show.
00:19:04
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Just because I like the books a lot. So, I don't know how the show plays if it is not a supplement to reading the books.
00:19:18
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Yeah, there's always that thing when you... Watch an adaptation of a book that you've read, ahha where it is a totally different experience than watching and adaptation cold.
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Yeah. Because you don't know if someone who hasn't read the book is going to be able to follow it. Yeah. I definitely think the show, so far, like seems like it stands on its own. I actually really like the way that ah the the title, Murderbot, the sec unit, is played by one of them Skarsgårds, who looks familiar, and I'm only just now realizing it was because he was the asshole in Succession.
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Right. Yes. He was the the ah Swede, or whatever. that's what Yes, he's he was the guy who wanted to buy... the The news channel, yes. Yeah.
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But he's very good at playing a a very different character. ah And ah my close personal friend, David Desmalkian, is in it as well.
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You might know him as Dave Bautista's little buddy in Dune.
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Or also, he's in The Dark Knight. Also... Two of the Ant-Man movies, I think. Yeah. Love that guy. taste like I'd say close personal friend because I did ah briefly do some work that oh but he was also involved in.
00:20:58
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By which I mean something more than just watching Dark Knight a lot. I guess. Apparently he's going to be in One Piece in the live-action One Piece show.
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Interesting. As ah as Mr. 3, which is pretty wild. um Here's what I'll say about Murderbot. The single best thing about it is when it shows the the the show within the show, the TV soap opera that Murderbot gets obsessed with, The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon, which is an over-the-top like if Star Trek was a telenovela, that has Jon Cho, Jack McBrayer, and Clark Gregg in it
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it. It's kind of a hoot. Like, I kind of just want to watch The Rise and Fall of Sanctuary Moon. oh yeah So that is ah that is a fun time. But yeah, definitely if you have Apple TV+, plus give Murderbot a watch. It is a a fun fun time with some really good stuff in it.
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Matt, what would you like to recommend? I'm going to recommend two things that were given to me as birthday gifts. One, um Chris, you got me a Berserk hat. I did get your Berserk hat.
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I want to recommend getting a Berserk hat to anyone who ah is in the market for a hat. Because you told me you were going to get me a cool hat, and then you got me a hat that says Berserk on it.
00:22:39
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But in Japanese. japanese yeah I got you the hat with the the Japanese Berserk logo. Yeah, it rules. It's great. blood red. Thank you so much. I'm glad you like it, Matt. I was worried that you would not like it, and I'm glad you do.
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I do. I like it a lot. um um'm but I'm increasingly becoming a hat guy. so ah Hey, you and me both. We are hat guys. yeah ah My second recommendation is of a video game that our friend Ben Gully got me, um but really he just gave me money to buy it.
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But I did buy the game that he said to buy with the money he gave me, um which is Return of the Obra Den. um which is a game that has been around for a while. It came out a while ago.
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But I got it for the Switch. And um what this game is... Do you know anything about it, Chris? I do. I've watched ah several videos about it. it was a It was a favorite of the video essayist and ah and video game and and polygon, essentially. Yeah.
00:23:48
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the Video SAS community and Polygon. So I am familiar with it. And when Ben told me that's what he was getting you, I was like, oh yeah, that's that's got Matt Wilson all over it. That's a Matt Wilson game, for sure. yeah ah Not for me, yeah but Matt would love it. RIP Polygon, by the way. Morn you till I join you.
00:24:05
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Are they Dun Dun? it's No, but there's one video person left. It's Simone. Oh, wow. Everybody else is gone. I mean, you know, like...
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ah Nothing against Simone de Rochefort. I like Simone de Rochefort a lot. That's a bummer for everybody. Yeah, like Patrick Gill, gone. that's That's wild. Yeah, it's like... So sad. What a disaster.
00:24:32
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Yeah, like, hey, fuck venture capital. How about that? Yeah, fuck that. Unless you want invest in WarRock and Ajax. Yeah. Well, hang on. Matt, we could launch another one of these tomorrow.
00:24:48
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That's true. it It would be funny if Venture Capital bought this show and fired us. yeah um Anyway, ah this game, the concept is that you arrive on a on a ship...
00:25:03
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it's like the early 19th century. You arrive on a ship and you're told to investigate um what happened to all the various members of the crew. There were 60 members of the crew and you're told to figure out what happened to them all.
00:25:21
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And what you quickly learn is that pretty much all of them died at some point um in their voyage. And, ah you have this stopwatch that you can use to examine bodies and see a quick glimpse of what happened to them.
00:25:43
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um But it doesn't necessarily give away immediately how they died or who they were. So you have to piece together information from the little bits that you can see to try to figure out who all of the different crew members were what what their fate was.
00:26:04
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And I'm not quite finished with it yet. I think I've identified the, about half of the crew members. So I'm still working my way through it, but I have gotten through all the various scenarios that you can watch.
00:26:19
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And yeah, it's, it's a very fun, like mystery, working through a mystery backwards. kind of game It's also got a very interesting ah visual style that's monochromatic.
00:26:35
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I would call it black and white, but you can change it to different settings to look like different old computers. Like different old monochrome computers. yes So you could do like a Macintosh where it's essentially black and white, or you can do like the green and black...
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screen or like blue and white or like whatever kind of fits your eye best but it's just two colors no matter what um but yeah it's it's very fun it's uh it's a lot of kind of just like realizing that you can look around for these small details to figure out who who you're looking at who and and what happened to them uh so uh that's my second recommendation um Chris, now that we're done with our checks and recs, it's time to talk about some comics.
Comic Reviews: Technical and Narrative Excellence
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Let's do it.
00:27:32
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Chris, I had one of those work days where I could not pull away to read any comic books. So I'm leaving the comics reviews to you this week. And the book that you wanted to start with is Absolute Martian Manhunter number one.
00:27:48
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Or I'm sorry, number four. Yeah, ah this is the new issue of Absolute Martian Manhunter, where the the premise is that the the bad white Martian is just making everybody really mad.
00:28:08
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And love love the... i love the i love The simplicity of the premise of Absolute Martian Manhunter combined with the absolute bananas level of craft involved in the storytelling of Absolute Martian Manhunter.
00:28:30
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Like, what happens in this book? Well, Jon Jones has a fight with his wife. Which may or may not be exacerbated by the fact that there's something making everybody mad.
00:28:42
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And also he has a Martian living in his head. Is that at all a description of reading this comic book? No. it's it's and It's such an incredible work of comic book craft, Matt. And I know you know that, because you've read the preceding three issues.
00:29:02
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But man, there are a couple of panels in here that are kind of all-timers. And I... You and I have known for a long time that Javier Rodriguez is one of the best artists to ever live.
00:29:20
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But man... Yeah, I'm looking through this now, and it's just page after page of like the most stunning comic book art you could possibly imagine.
00:29:33
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Yeah, it truly did not have to go this hard. like It could be half as as beautiful as this and still be great.
00:29:46
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But what... and what like What an incredible looking book. What an incredible experience of reading a comic. Like, one of those that that I read and I'm like, right, this is why these things are my favorite media.
00:30:02
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I feel like you could do, like, an entire thesis on the just the color theory of this comic. Yeah, man. The colors are incredible. like i Rodriguez is also doing the colors. I think we established that last time.
00:30:19
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ah We talked about this. like it's It's not just the line art. but I mean, the line art is stunning, but the color art on top of it is
00:30:33
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jaw-droppingly beautiful. Also, the lettering oh is... Everything about this book's incredible. everything Everything about this book is incredible.
00:30:45
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It is the most technically perfect comic book that is coming out. And yeah that is, like, when you say something is technically perfect, that is usually accompanied by, you know, but it doesn't have, you know, X, Y, or Z. But no, this book does.
00:31:02
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It still has that. it's It's an incredible read. I did also want to talk about the new history of the DC Universe. Yes, yes. oh but And also just to mention the writer of Absolute Martian Manhunter is Dennis Camp.
00:31:18
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Yes. Which, it's funny to talk about artist and letterer and not even mention the writer, but if there's a book to do that on, like the writing in Absolute Martian Manhunter is great, but... Yes.
00:31:34
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That is a book that I could just sit and look at the art and vibe out to it and be perfectly happy. Anyway, new new history of the DC Universe. Matt, we were talking before the before we started recording about Hawkman.
00:31:54
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We sure were. And how every time they have a chance to make Hawkman not be... The most complicated thing in the world.
00:32:09
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They actively resist it. They actively go in the opposite direction. Yeah, they dig in their heels and make it more complicated. They know, this guy has to be a reincarnated Egyptian prince on an alien planet reincarnated back on Earth.
00:32:24
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Yeah. That is how it must be. Yeah. And here we are once again. ah This is written by Mark Waid. ah with art by Todd Nock and Jerry Ordway.
00:32:38
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An interesting couple of dudes. to to You said, you know, it's interesting to have Jerry Ordway do the new history. Yes.
00:32:50
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And I say that with affection. Yeah. like jerryial But Jerry Ordway is the most kind of classic DC artist around. JLGL.
00:33:02
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jlgl It's still around. But like, I don't know how much... You didn't get mother themma you't give me one of them style guides signed by JLGL at Heroes Con, did you?
00:33:15
Speaker
um I did not. you didn't give one of those things that I did not ask you for or indicate that I would like you to pick up for me, did you? I did not approach Jose Luis Garcia Lopez's table because I was not able to.
00:33:29
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. ah hope But, yeah. I mean, JLGL is 77 years old, so um I don't think he's going to be drawing any of these.
00:33:41
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I mean, he could, but I don't think he's going to be drawing any of these anytime soon. So, yeah, the Jerry Ordway might be the most old DC guy still working, at least. Yeah, which, again, i do not mean with anything but the utmost respect.
00:33:57
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Like, he's always kind of looked classic. like Like, Power of Shazam looks classic. to Like, looks classic when it was coming out.
00:34:08
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It's just very funny that he's like, you know, like, this should be like, uh, like, uh, like, Mikhail Janin, or, or, uh, oh, what's what's his name? Jorge, uh... Jimenez.
00:34:23
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Yeah, Jorge Jimenez. Like, it should be one of those guys. Like, one of the new DC guys, right?
00:34:30
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um I think the other thing about this book is that ah Benito, when we were texting about this, because this is the Texter's Choice Award winner, ah
00:34:42
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he texted us, there's a lot in here that I would have expected to not show up. ah Like, a lot of stuff that is from like the pre-New 52 post-Zero Hour DC Universe.
00:34:57
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post-zero hour dc universe that's That feels like it doesn't belong in the modern DCU anymore, but post-Rebirth does.
00:35:09
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Yeah, all that stuff got added. Not all of it, but a lot of that stuff did get added back in with Rebirth. Yeah, Hippolyta being a Wonder Woman and ah Black Canary's mom, Black Canary, being Black Canary.
00:35:22
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ah for um I had forgotten about all the weird JSA sidekicks. Yeah. that showed up in the Jeff Johns stuff, that just looking at them in this, I'm like, this is kind of fascinating.
00:35:38
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Yeah, there's like a, there's like a, like there was a um Mr. Terrific sidekick who never actually existed in the Golden Age, but then Jeff Johns created him and he hung out with the new Mr. Terrific.
00:35:52
Speaker
Yeah, like they're all sidekicks for Golden Age characters that didn't actually exist but were created retroactively. And that's kind of fun. And that makes me wonder if I should read those comics.
00:36:04
Speaker
And that's how they get you. That's how they get you. ah The weird thing for me in this one was, and again, this is something that I knew, but when you see it kind of laid out like this, Icon's part of the DC Universe.
00:36:21
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And if I had a nickel for every time, ah so ah a super-powered baby was rocketed to the planet Earth from an exploding planet, ah hu and then grew up to be a caped superhero, i'd have I'd only have two, but it would be weird that it happened twice.
00:36:43
Speaker
I think you'd have more than two. Yeah, but it's weird to see, like because you see his his origin, which we talked about when we read Icon, and and I like Icon. It's weird to see that origin, and then 10 pages later, because you know Icon gets to Earth in the 1800s, and then 10 pages later, it's like, but then Krypton exploded.
00:37:07
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right And here comes a dude that like is way more important. It's weird to have an analog for a character and that character existing in the same universe alongside each other.
00:37:23
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You know what? I'll tell you the weirdest thing that is in here. I'm looking through this book right now. The weirdest thing that is in here is that Dream is there. Yeah, yeah. We didn't need Dream. I mean, yeah, I would say we probably didn't.
00:37:38
Speaker
i mean, I would say that we probably didn't need him ever, but, you know... Especially now. ah but he But, you know, he's part of the DC Universe.
00:37:50
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He's part of the DC Universe. Yeah, we we don't see we don't see a lot of, ah you know, not a lot of Gerard Jones-created characters in this, I guess.
00:38:02
Speaker
Nope. Yeah. As someone who has spent most of his life obsessed with the DC Universe in one way or another, it's weird to see... a version of it that I only kind of know.
00:38:16
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Yeah. ah But yeah, like, interesting. And, you know, if you want to see a beautiful Chris Somni cover and oh some pretty good art from Jerry Orway and Todd Nock, it's in here.
00:38:31
Speaker
And then there's a nice little ah bibliography in the back that'll tell you all about fucking Hawkman. Yeah.
00:38:40
Speaker
Yeah. you You get a really read up on Hawkman. ah Finally, i want to talk about Absolute Wonder Woman, number nine, which is just good.
00:38:51
Speaker
It's just like, God almighty, it's good. I actually sent you guys a ah a text because I caught up on this issue and the last issue. ah And i I said, it's time to play America's favorite game, ah KT or KS.
00:39:07
Speaker
which is where you have to determine if a piece of dialogue was written by Kelly Thompson or Kyle Starks. And the dialogue in question was, I hope whoever's up there likes getting punched in the throat.
00:39:21
Speaker
Folks, that's Kelly Thompson. that's extremely but That's extremely good dialogue. yeah What a great book. What a phenomenal... Comics are back, baby! Comics are good again.
00:39:37
Speaker
It's good shit. Absolute Wonder Woman. like ah Absolute Martian Manhunter, I think, is the best piece of craft in the Absolute line.
00:39:50
Speaker
But Absolute Wonder Woman, I think, might be my favorite. Just purely to read. All of the Absolute books are stellar.
00:40:02
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In their own ways, yes. I do think Absolute Martian Manhunter is...
00:40:08
Speaker
Absolute Martian Manhunter is like the Pax Americana of the line. like it is ah It is the perfectly crafted comic. Absolute Wonder Woman is probably the best one, and Absolute Batman is my favorite one. yeah because that's Because Batman said, knock, knock, motherfucker.
00:40:27
Speaker
He sure did. Batman said, knock, knock, open up the door, it's real.
00:40:36
Speaker
All right, Chris. Love comics. Thank you for handling the comics reviews segment this week, because I just had an especially busy workday.
00:40:47
Speaker
um But now that we have reviewed our comics for the week, it's time for our interview with Alex Fehrer and ah Fred C. Stressing.
00:40:59
Speaker
Let's do it.
Creating the Doughboys Comic
00:41:11
Speaker
joining us for the program this week we're very excited to welcome some new friends to the show friends of friends and now we can be friends they are here to talk about a new book tying into the doughboys podcast alex fehrer and fred stressing welcome to the show how are you hi we're doing pretty all right oh doing great I am very glad to hear that.
00:41:38
Speaker
I have to say, I'm very curious, and and I feel like I should maybe get this question out of the way first. What inspired you um to do a comic based on obscure Marvel Comics supervillain Doughboy last seen in the Mark Grunewald run on Captain America?
00:42:02
Speaker
Wow! a Where Matt and I insisted that he would never get over. Wow!
00:42:12
Speaker
I am so impressed by that deep cut. Don't be. I mean, we just read that we just read the run. It was like two years ago, ah what' What's funny is that that was... yeah Chris, you have cut the legs out from, I would guess, half of the listener questions on our Discord.
00:42:32
Speaker
See, folks... Folks, you should have known that I would get there first. I'm looking up at Doughboy. think this might be a this might be a Jack Kirby creation, no?
00:42:43
Speaker
I'm just delighted. i I think he might be. I knew about him. I gotta say, don't know if I've read any stories with Doughboy in them, though. ah That's fine, probably.
00:42:57
Speaker
oh yeah, no, that looks like a Kirby. I have definitely read these stories and they must have escaped my brain immediately right after hearing them. this is a This is thrilling. I like the slug.
00:43:09
Speaker
We're going to talk about the great Grunewald villains. He's fat. He's wet. Not all that different from Doughboy in reality, in truth.
00:43:21
Speaker
um yeah i like I do like how you you just said he's fat because that is his entire deal. Yeah. That's all he's got. Yeah. You know how the kingpin takes off a shirt and they're like oh, he's a sumo wrestler. Slug doesn't do that.
00:43:36
Speaker
What you see is what get with that guy. ah Correct. He's... See, I actually wasn't even aware of Slug. i I missed out on the whole Slug revolution.
00:43:46
Speaker
The Slug... He appeared in one. I love the slug. And I talk about the slug any chance I get because the cover he's on for Grunewald is Jack Monroe is Nomad is just like just beating the shit out of him.
00:43:59
Speaker
That's all we get from this guy. He's not going to be a good fight. He's going to be a moral test for our characters because he is just fat and wet like a slug. ah Yeah. but yeah i think Wait a minute. Now that I see him, I do know this guy.
00:44:12
Speaker
I don't think I've read anything with him. Here's what I like about the slug. ah One, you did correctly identify he's wet, which is bad.
00:44:23
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ah Second, his name is Ulysses X. Lugman. Yes! Ulysses X. Lugman, oh my god.
00:44:35
Speaker
Terrible. Truly terrible. Lugman, get over here! So do do you genuinely have an attachment to the Grunewald run?
00:44:46
Speaker
Yeah, I love it. I think that's like a comedy run almost. Like, it's so funny, because you read, one of my favorite panels from the Grunewald run is I love the Armadillo's entire thing where he's trying to sell a suit.
00:44:57
Speaker
Because it's written like the Venture Brothers. I know he's a big influence on Jordan and Patton when they write Minor Threats. But there is just a panel where the Armadillo is looking for a job. He's giving one of the Serpent Society people his business card. And the thought balloon above the Serpent Society guy is just like, this is so uncomfortable. I've got to get out of here. Yeah.
00:45:17
Speaker
Yes. v Yeah. Reading that like in an 80s comic, like that's the kind of thing you'd see in American Splendor or something like that is such a small time culture shock. It feels like the beginning of like modern comics in general, just because they do that kind of like the the Joss Whedon kind of like thing of these characters are living normal lives.
00:45:43
Speaker
Yeah, like one of the things, like that run has its ups and downs, for sure. But ah one of the things that it starts off with, like it starts off with the Serpent Society, which is a supervillain corporate, like a corporation in that everyone treats it like a job and they want benefits.
00:46:01
Speaker
I love it so much. um Yeah, it's brilliant. You're all selling me on this run. Have you not read it? No, I have not read it. It's good. Oh, you should read it. It's 10 years worth of Captain America.
00:46:14
Speaker
Oh my god. I have not read much Captain America, to be honest. o Yeah, it's one of my gaps. Not even Brubaker? Yes, I'm a Brubaker. Fred, that that brings me to a a short question that I always like to ask ah people. like What is your Like, what's what's your run? Like, what's the the one that you the kind of hooked you and and showed you what comics could be?
00:46:43
Speaker
Oh, see, that's really interesting. Because that's... i got really hooked on comics in the early 2000s when Marvel was doing all that crazy shit. Like, you you know what I'm talking about? The era when they got really...
00:46:57
Speaker
i don't I don't know. It's, they got a lot more experimental with the types of stories they were telling and they broke off. Like they're like no more crossovers. And I remember reading stuff with like ultimate Spider-Man, which was huge for me back then.
00:47:10
Speaker
That was very big for me back then. Um, and I guess a lot of the ultimate stuff I was, would keep up with and new X-Men. i mean that whole daredevil, the daredevil run that, uh, Bendis and Andrew Brubaker is incredible.
00:47:24
Speaker
So, That weird little era before um before they started going like more normal superheroics, I guess, or more like classically superheroic is really an interesting time. And you see a lot of new writers coming in and changing up ah the type of stories, the way they're their way they're being told.
00:47:46
Speaker
And that was just sort of a ah time where I got really hooked into that. Yeah, that post-bankruptcy... Yeah, it's post-bankruptcy, absolutely. Yeah, like, post-bankruptcy, pre-Civil War, yeah like like, you know, let's put Joe Quesada in charge and see what happens, era of Marvel, was a good time to be reading.
00:48:10
Speaker
I mean, I think it was kind of magic. You get like the X-Force ecstatic stuff, you get... I mean, it's kind of an endless list of things. But yeah, a lot of those were really catching, and and I would get a lot of them keep up with. um I remember I was talking to Alex about this the other day. I was keeping up.
00:48:27
Speaker
One of my big series I kept up because I was a Spider-Man kid, um was the J. Michael Straczynski Amazing Spider-Man run, which I kept on with until John Romita Jr. left, ah because it had started running out of steam for me.
00:48:41
Speaker
um I've never gone back to those. I don't know if I will, but... I remember that's being young and really liking them. I'll tell you, you got out at the right time. Yeah, you sure did.
00:48:53
Speaker
Okay, do if I did get those next couple of issues, and then I said, okay, yeah, I'm definitely dropping. if If you made your exit before Sins passed, you did the right thing. No, I was no i did catch that one. That was the real last one.
00:49:09
Speaker
But I'm like, the writing was already on the wall before that, and that was a definite, okay, yeah, no. now um i do yeah One thing I appreciate about JMS's run, never read it, but it would make... I would appreciate that about it, too, if I hadn't read it. It would keep making the news for legitimately upsetting stuff, and like, that is interesting.
00:49:36
Speaker
It's like, oh, yeah, Norman Osborn and a bunch of kids with Gwen Stacy. I'm like, this should make the news. This is weird.
00:49:46
Speaker
Yeah, that there should be a multi-state manhunt to find out who's responsible for this. Norman Osborn has to pay for being a little too nasty in this one. Was this before or after he became Tommy Lee Jones?
00:49:59
Speaker
Or what was the start of that? that was the start That was the start of him looking exactly like Tommy Lee Jones. Oh boy, even worse. Yeah, because it was a Mike Deodato Jr. art. And that was, Deodato's the guy who made him like Tommy Lee Jones. I knew it was him drawing that art, and I couldn't quite remember if he'd started doing that by then.
00:50:19
Speaker
Yeah, that, like like, the era of, like, post-bankruptcy Marvel Up to the point of, and I say this as someone who by and large does really like the movies, but Marvel trying to be movies yeah was yeah like, that was a good time for Marvel followed by kind of a rough time for Marvel. Like when everybody had to be drawn like like the their counterpart from a Wizard Magazine Dreamcasting article.
00:50:53
Speaker
Yeah. oh I would have lost making me wistful for those articles. yeah I love reading bad things. This should have won Super Club. More character actors. have Tommy Lee Jones. I want Paul Giamatti.
00:51:06
Speaker
what What Marvel Comics character would you cast Paul Giamatti as? Oh my god. Well, he was the Rhino. He was the Rhino. That is correct. I think, um okay, remake Spider-Man Reign.
00:51:19
Speaker
Live action Spider-Man Reign. Paul Giamatti as Spider-Man. Spider-Man. I want him to Peter Sellers this. I want to play Doc Ock Skeleton with the with the things. a Spider-Man. Who do we got? Who do we got as Jane Jonah Jameson?
00:51:37
Speaker
Bill Belichick, first thought, best thought. I got nothing. but that is yeah That is unfortunately a very good casting idea know yeah what would be a a really terrible idea.
00:51:51
Speaker
Yeah! Would that one make the news? Yeah, it would make the news! It would make the news. Spider-Man news. Alex has bad idea. I wish the news covered every comic story the way they covered like the death of Superman.
00:52:08
Speaker
I would love that. What would be from this? Mouse Man's coming!
00:52:14
Speaker
Tragedy struck today. Aquaman's hand was bitten off by piranhas. And now he has a hook like a pirate.
00:52:22
Speaker
USA Today, front page. Would Jay Leno come out, his own hook hand, in solidarity?
00:52:31
Speaker
I hope so. No, I should say. Despite, i'm goingnna I'm going to step out of the bit for a moment. Despite my my funny good time ha ha jokes, you did not make a comic about obscure Marvel Comics supervillain Doughboy.
00:52:49
Speaker
No. So please ah tell us and and more importantly, our listeners, ah what you did do. I'm just psyched about Doughboy now. I did Doughboys, plural!
00:53:02
Speaker
um Yeah, the Doughboys. For all those who don't know, Nick Weiger and Mike Mitchell, two incredible comedians in Los Angeles, part of the UCB. Theater, where I met the gentlemen.
00:53:13
Speaker
They have an incredible podcast called Doughboys. They review fast food ah to some, not to myself, the worst food in the world, but they review it seriously as true foot food critics, but the podcast is just kind of a vessel to showcase their voices, their friendship.
00:53:30
Speaker
And um I love them as a duo. I think they're brilliant. I would compare them to some of the best. Chris Farley and David Spade, Laurel and Hardy. um you know, the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges, stuff like that.
00:53:44
Speaker
So I was just Ackroyd and Belushi. So I just kind of wanted to take their friendship, their chemistry, and just the brilliant show they do and try to adapt it as if it was an adult animated series starring them and their podcast or a movie or something of the sort. So it's called ah Nick and Mitch Oh, sorry. It's called Doughboys, the comic book, Nick and Mitch to America, Crisis on Infinite Girths.
00:54:13
Speaker
And, yeah. Well, I was going to ask a couple of things. One, ah how this came together, how how how you were able to kind of pitch and then make an official Doughboys comic. Yeah, that was that was largely Alex pitching that, so I'm to let him take it.
00:54:33
Speaker
Yeah, I'll talk about it. um So I've been carrying this idea with me for like five years. When Fred and I did our first comic book together, which was Rick and Morty Presents Bird Person, they asked me, like, oh, what other licenses would you want to do? And I just began outlining this on my own. Weiger is someone who I've been friends with for about 15 years now. we've We were both together at the Onion News Network.
00:54:59
Speaker
He wrote one of the all-time headlines, which is the Obama win causes the orange ball of rage to be the next Republican incumbent. And anytime Trump does something stupid, everyone repost that.
00:55:10
Speaker
um But i I just love the Doughboy so much. I sent him a little email, because we haven't spoken for a little bit, going like, oh my god, you guys are the two funniest people on earth. And then we got Sushi, and he asked me, like oh Alex, if you could work on any license, what do you want to do? And I was like funny thing you ask.
00:55:26
Speaker
I wrote this whole Doughboy's comic story that I've just been carrying around with me in my head. I pitched him the whole thing, and he was delighted by it. He wanted to do it. I brought Fred on board. Fred and I have done 50 in Rick and Morty comics together, so he's my go-to artist for so much.
00:55:44
Speaker
And, um yeah, this was the easiest comic I have ever put together. So many things require so much convincing. Weiger hasn't really read my writing in like, a decade almost. i I am truly just, like, so flattered he wanted to do this.
00:56:03
Speaker
So, yeah, that's how it came. The short answer is he wanted to do it Mitch wanted to do it. And tim Fred was exciting to work on excited to work on something like this. Oh, yeah, you absolutely.
00:56:15
Speaker
I have no idea how easy this was. Everything else takes so much teeth pulling. This not so much. So, folks, you heard it here first. It's super easy. All you have to do is know someone for 15 years, but work with them at another established thing, and then ah go get sushi.
00:56:36
Speaker
Oh no, I'm a Hollywood big shot!
00:56:41
Speaker
This is awful! If you buy me sushi, I'll draw something. Yeah, baby. I'm curious how... You talk about how easy it was to put together, but a podcast about trying fast food is not necessarily immediately... It doesn't immediately lend itself to a comic, but the you know, let's do a comic about this.
00:57:06
Speaker
Like, how did you, like, come up with this story that's like, you know, an action story that also, I do i must say, um does really capture the essence of a podcast because um it starts with...
00:57:23
Speaker
um A dictionary definition. um And um podcasts, I would say, are 60% people reading stuff off of Wikipedia. So it it really does...
00:57:35
Speaker
encapsulate what a podcast is but um but like you know it's an action comic it's it's it's a a ah fun story about these two guys like getting into ah pretty wild shenanigans um so so how did you like so immediately decide that the the comic about the podcast would be what this is So the thing is, even though Nick and Mitch, they do the show, they talk about fast food, I have been seeing them do comedy for eons.
00:58:05
Speaker
um Mitch is on the Birthday Boys. Weiger, of course, is a part of so many teams at the UCB. ah And... a big thing of that is I've seen their personalities and their comedic personas kind of form together so much um over the years. Like the thing about the dough boys is I'll be honest, like I'm fine with fast food. You know, the fast food is good, but their personalities are kind of the true force. And it is kind of like, you know, Laurel and Hardy. How would you think about them painting a house? How would you think about them moving a piano with those two personalities?
00:58:42
Speaker
at the forefront. It really is, you can write anything. And the reason it is like about a cop, it's about them being blamed for the death of a cop, is ah I am, you know, very timely. I don't like the police.
00:58:55
Speaker
They annoy me. They're evil ah people. and the weird thing about this comic is this really is, like, we were talking about, like, Laurel and Hardy painting a house.
00:59:07
Speaker
This is Nick and Mitch starring in whatever Alex is into. Um, there's like, there's a Ninja Turtles parody coming up next issue for so it's, it's, you know, I don't, maybe I shouldn't spoil it. I don't know. i don't know if they're going to be mad, but there, it is all just like things I am into. So this action plot is just something where, Oh, this would kind of be funny. My favorite kind of comedies is, and they don't really make these anymore. It's two dumb asses in trouble.
00:59:37
Speaker
um Steve Martin and John Candy in Planes Trains and Automobiles. I mentioned Tommy Boy, you know, Spade and Farley. um I love a good loser comedy. And the Doughboy's personas is like, the a idea is Weiger's like a robot. He can't process human emotion.
00:59:54
Speaker
Mitch is all heart, but he's not dumb in real life, but that's part of the persona, like a dumb buffoon. So the idea of these two folks kind of going up against all the great forces in life while maintaining their friendship, it felt very natural. You know, the podcast for Nick and Mitch is the most popular thing they've done, but I've seen their personas shine in so much comedy over the years. So it did really kind of feel like just a classic kind of, you know, 80s, 70s kind of comedy buddy movie that I could do.
01:00:30
Speaker
i I really like the idea of podcasts
01:00:38
Speaker
turning into the road to movies. Well, i was I just wanted to ask Fred about his art style in here, because talking about the cop, ah you know, the the the the cop of it all, um yeah there's kind of like the basic style that you use throughout the book that's kind of...
01:01:00
Speaker
ah you know but and I hate to describe the style as cartoony, but it definitely kind of has that feel about it. like like These would be that the animated show version of these guys.
01:01:13
Speaker
um But any time the cops show up, it's it's suddenly way more detailed and gritty. yeah and ah it It's a very funny way, I feel like, to predict those characters. but I wonder you know what...
01:01:29
Speaker
Was there a discussion between the two of you about that stylistic difference? Or or was that just, you decided, I'm going to do this, and and you know it makes for a great gag in in the book, isn't it? did discuss that. Yeah, one of the things um Alex brought in the script, he was like, so we're going to cut to these serious cops. and there's um Because we have all these different you know characters running around throughout it, not just... ah Nick and Mitch.
01:01:59
Speaker
But um we have these super serious cops at a crime scene and our main antagonist cop who's going to be running throughout the series, Officer Cop, shows up.
01:02:10
Speaker
And to contrast the, you know, super serious looking, stern, gruff, gritty cops, there's this one goofy dumbass named Officer Cop who like falls into the room and stumbles everywhere. And we thought it'd be really funny to have like this police procedural ish still on the cartoony side, but just a little more rendered.
01:02:30
Speaker
And, um, this dopey little idiot come in who feels like, like, you know, no threat. And he's going to be pursuing the dough boys, um, throughout this and the next issue. So yeah, that, there was a thing we talked about and we thought, um, boy, if this lands, it'll be really good. at it And hopefully it did.
01:02:49
Speaker
I mean, Fred and I are such big Sean Phillips, Ed Brubaker fans. Oh, yeah. That that was kind of, for those scenes, that's what we're talking about. Like, we're going to cut to it, and it's going to be like an Ed Brubaker comic, not like our bullshit. So that was, that was the thinking behind that.
01:03:04
Speaker
Yeah. That is, the very idea of that is so funny to me, of being like, it's going to be criminal.
01:03:15
Speaker
For six pages. then there'll be Looney Tunes again. Yeah. That's really great. I love that. Thank you. i also really wanted the um Officer Redacted, the the big, meaty, hulking one from this issue.
01:03:31
Speaker
I did want him to feel like an actual threat, like him to look... very big and like cartoony in that like, you know, overly like muscly way. But I wanted him to look like, Oh, this guy might actually be scary in contrast with them.
01:03:45
Speaker
So that when you get to, uh, towards the end of the book, um, that sort of deflates his whole thing when there's the little double page spread, which and do we talk about that? i don't know.
01:03:58
Speaker
We can talk about anything. I mean, sorry. sorry ah Yeah, and look, you can you can talk about it or you can not spoil it.
01:04:09
Speaker
It is at your option. It's not ah necessarily a spoiler, but there's this big, looming officer. He's got a gun pointed at the Doughboys. And then the big turning point in this book is when he tries to eat some of the food that the Doughboys eat and begins to choke. It begins to kill him.
01:04:28
Speaker
So there's a two-page spread after he's this big, looming, threatening figure that where he is stumbling from hazard to hazard in a Looney Tunes style, you know, just gag, me like, you know, hand in a toaster, like knives in him, that kind of stuff until the very end of the page. So it's like this tried to draw him more serious and threatening to really, to really make it funnier when he starts to seem, you know, just, just starts falling everywhere. And yeah, yeah, that was part of it.
01:05:01
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I, I was reminded of, um I don't know if either of you guys watched a lot of Ren and Stimpy. Oh, yes. But like, there's always that one insert shot on Episodes of Red and Stimpy where it's like this really detailed painting of like a grotesque thing. I do love those. Yeah. Oh, gross-ups I think they were called.
01:05:25
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I think they were called gross-ups. yeah ah Appropriate. Appropriate yeah for what that is. ah Yeah, it reminded me of that. I don't know if that's exactly what you were going for. Yeah.
01:05:35
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It's literally in the script, Dua Ren and Stimpy style closing. Yes.
01:05:41
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Which just means, make it all ugly. Make it all weird. By the way, that cop officer redacted based on US agent a little bit. Speaking of Grunwald.
01:05:52
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Oh, John Walker. See, it all comes back. It all comes back to Mark Grunwald. Because ah there's a shot of him standing in the door when his parents... Oh, yeah. you yeah you said I sent this to you, Fred. Yeah.
01:06:06
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And it was it's him, and he's in shadow, looks all scary. There's a little old lady in front of him. i don't remember what he says, but God, it's such a good shot. Yeah. yeah I love Gruenwald. We'll keep talking about him forever.
01:06:18
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I do want to say, ah the character's name as it appears in the comic is Officer Redacted. Yeah. it scos there is the yeah That is not a a secret ah a secret we are keeping from you, the listener.
01:06:34
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No, it's a secret the book is keeping from you, the reader. No, it's when officers commit horrible crimes. They look back their names. So that was kind part of the idea about it. This is the crooked cop. This is the guy you see on the news.
01:06:47
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This guy tries to kill the... I hate the cops. Fuck them. This guy tries to kill the doughboys. So his his name is blacked out. um Yeah, out the other end and whatever. In this script, it's Officer Death.
01:06:58
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That's what I refer to him as. Listen, if if you have listened to any episode of this show, that you'll know that I do not believe the cops are your friends. Yeah. Unless they're the superheroes.
01:07:11
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They're my two friends. Look, okay. Look, this is this is the conversation I have had so many times. If we can believe there's a good billionaire, yes we can believe there's a good cop.
01:07:22
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i Oh boy. In a fictional universe. In a fictional universe. yeah I think the Punisher should start like attacking cops. That's been my big thing. And even with all the political changes, and Rosenberg had his great run where the Punisher tears up the stick. And like, ah, you don't go the next step.
01:07:39
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That's a new criminal. i don't know. That's my hot Marvel take. I have one last question about distribution. Because I was kind of shocked...
01:07:50
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that When I dug into this to see that it's not a Kickstarter, that this isn't a ah crowdfunded comic. It's a comic that you guys made and that you're now selling online on ah on a website that is specifically for ah the the book, BRKids.com.
01:08:11
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like How did you decide on this as the the way to distribute this book um as you know ah a totally independent book about a ah podcast? um ah Fred, would you want to cover this?
01:08:26
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ah Yeah, sure. So this is um this was the publisher Zero Zero, which is one of the first people who responded to our pitch and was actually a big fan of the Doughboys. And They do these limited run distributions of these comic titles and then larger collections. um not It's not print on demand. It's – Alex, what's the word I'm thinking of here?
01:08:48
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Small run? Yeah, small run. It's like small run small small run direct distribution is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, so –
01:08:57
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uh you know zero zero the head publisher that used to run z2 uh he created the last podcast on the left comic and um their specialty is very much kind of going directly to the fan base giving them what they want it is kind of the idea is like a comic book like this can be a big success with a smaller run kind of aimed directly at the fans it comes with toys Every time you get... It comes with a little, like, fake Happy Meal... Fake Happy Meal toys. Yeah, whatever.
01:09:28
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It comes with little Happy Meal toys where the release of every issue is going to be, like, a small event. And... Yeah. but That's pretty much it.
01:09:42
Speaker
So you're saying... um they should publish a War Rocket Ajax comic. That's what I'm hearing. I was going to ask if you had any advice for like maybe another podcast with two like very funny dudes, one of whom is kind of you know that has ah has a dumber on-air persona than he is in real life.
01:10:05
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b And the other is kind of just the kind of the ah the the the more taciturn one. And also, they have eaten a lot of very bad fast food on the air. Wait a second, are you also reviewing fast food in the comic book about War Rocket Ajax?
01:10:24
Speaker
I think the War Rocket Ajax comic would have to be to to not include Snack Situation. Okay, alright. Yeah, good, of course. No, we gotta, look, you gotta make this War Rocket Ajax.
01:10:35
Speaker
You should actually do that. I think that would be good. I know also think it would be good. You guys are Marvel. yeah need a What are you going to do? How can I do this without me doing any work whatsoever? Oh, easy. and indeed yeah yeah yeah Look, I'll write you the War Rocket Ajax comic.
01:10:54
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Here we go. want Page one. Page one. Panel one. martin gruwald Mark Chris is present. He's swearing in on a stack of Mark Grunewalds. Chris ran as a Democrat.
01:11:07
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medicine Matt ran as a Republican. He's sitting there. Nixon. Five o'clock shadow in the shower. Oh, he's furious. Oh, they used to be a duo back in the day, but now that Chris is president, then he outlawed Latter-day Tom King comics.
01:11:22
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Matt is so fucking mad. i can i look I can tell you already this is a non-starter. i We'll workshop it. We'll we'll workshop it. Uh...
01:11:35
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ah All right. With that, I think it is time for us to move things over to our listeners to see what questions they have for you. okay ah Matt, if the listeners want to get in on these conversations that we have here on the show with ah folks like Alex and Fred, how can they go about that?
01:11:52
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The easiest way to do that is to – well, there are two ways. One, you can follow us on BlueSky at WarRocketAjax.com on BlueSky and wait until Thursday night.
01:12:05
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when we will put out the call for questions ah for our guests, usually at 9.30 p.m. Eastern time. And yeah you can ask questions there, or you can join our discord. You have to be invited to join our discord. But if you ask us nicely for an invitation, we will send you one and you can join over there and head over to the listener questions channel, where I will put out the questions or the call for questions every Thursday night.
01:12:30
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And that we have a guest and you can ask questions just like these. ah For Alex and Fred. ah Our first question comes from our pal Ben, Franz Ferdinand 2, on Blue Sky.
01:12:44
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A Door Boys related question. For everyone, what is a closed restaurant that you still think about and miss?
01:12:55
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So my ah my answer might be a little bit of a cheat because it's not technically closed. But boy, is it diminished. When I lived in Boston, Massachusetts, there was this amazing kind of like fusion burrito place called Beloco's, Boston Loco.
01:13:08
Speaker
And you get like Thai food in a wrap. Like you get all this other cultures as food dressed up as a burrito. When I was at Emerson College, they had locations all over Boston. You couldn't turn around without seeing a Beloco's.
01:13:20
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I see the doughboys. I talk like, you gotta review Belocos. You gotta are review Belocos. I'm about to visit Boston. I'm looking up Belocos. Three locations left and one of them's in New Hampshire?
01:13:31
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this this is This is horrible. They're shrinking. The people of Boston, if you're listening to this, please go to Belocos before it disappears. I'm begging you! that's That's passion.
01:13:41
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Passion for Belocos. Oh, it's a good place. ah Fred, do you have a restaurant that is no longer with us that you miss? I honestly i don't.
01:13:53
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I wish that I did. um i haven't. I'll be honest. I haven't eaten at nearly enough restaurants or chain restaurants to have any I specifically miss.
01:14:04
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Although, OK, you know what? I guess I would say. that um it used to be at Uno's by us, and lately I've been like, I would really like a shitty deep dish pizza really bad. oh pizza ri Pizzeria Uno?
01:14:16
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Oh, wow. yeah wow Matt, that's that that's that authentic Chicago pizza, though. It's what I know you love. it is It is there. It is in Chicago. I cannot deny that. It is in Chicago.
01:14:30
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No, sadly, I'm like, oh man, that one left, and I was like, I just want... It's just something about having that as a kid, and I'm like I would like to try that pizza again. um I know I'd be disappointed, but... Yeah, I mean, nostalgia's a hell of a thing. It sure is.
01:14:46
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ah Chris, what's the restaurant you miss? ah it It's still open. It's just not available to me, personally, which is that there is a there are ah two locations of a ah drive-in in ah in Hamilton, Ohio, the city where I was born, that have the gigantic frosted mugs of root beer and chili dogs.
01:15:15
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And it's still open, still two of them, rocking and rolling out in ah out in Butler County. So if you're if you're up there, you should go there, because I can't. And that used to be the thing that I would do every summer when I would go up there to see my family.
01:15:33
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When I was a kid. So ah still open, but not available to me personally. I have not had it in years and years and years. Mine is mine' is not a fast food restaurant. Mine is a restaurant ah that was in the city where I live um that was like a place I would recommend for people and that I would take people to and I would eat.
01:15:54
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at all the time and now it's gone even though it was like a top rated barbecue restaurant. look Buxton Hall. um it's It's gone. Buxton Hall's gone?
01:16:06
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It's been gone for a little while and I still don't understand why. um it's ah It was a really great barbecue restaurant here in Asheville. took me there?
01:16:18
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I did. i would take anybody there. um but ah But yeah, it's gone. It was some kind of weird restaurant ownership thing, ah like ownership battle ah that killed it, I think. um but But yeah, it's Bucks and Hall.
01:16:35
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Morn you till I join you. Our next question, I'm skipping over a lot of questions about the Mark Grunewald character, Doughboy. Yep.
01:16:48
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I'm here to answer them.
01:16:51
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Here's – okay, look. No, no, no. Whatever you love. It's your show.
01:16:57
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ah you You said you wanted some weird questions. Here's one from Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene on our Discord. so When Dion and Clueless says, my man is satisfied, he has no cause for a complaint, but yes, technically I have immersion ah am a virgin, you know what I mean.
01:17:12
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Is she talking about mouth stuff or butt stuff? And this is a question for me. Yep. A virgin, if you know what I mean, she talking about mouth stuff or butt stuff?
01:17:23
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I believe she's talking about the psychic link. The Swamp Thing-style sex-having. You're thinking there's sex tubers involved. Yeah.
01:17:34
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No, this is like... you know and when you're young When you're young and you're flirting, and you're like, oh, all the things that we could do but we don't, and you enter the Swamp Thing-style mind space that only the fevered mind of a virgin can enter.
01:17:51
Speaker
This is what she's talking about. so So we're talking about... are are we talking about the like sex from the movie Demolition Man?
01:18:01
Speaker
Can I tell you something? I've never seen that movie, but yes. Okay, and great. Listen, you should watch that. Having seen it in a theater recently, but how did you you should watch that film. I'm putting it up on a tab right now. Hold want to know where this is playing.
01:18:16
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It was playing at ah my local ah kind of... yeah um I don't know what you call it. Like a local indie theater, I guess. Indie theater. Yeah. They they showed Demolition Man. off I love that.
01:18:30
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I love that. i also haven't seen it, but I've been told I need to. So I'll get to it. Here's a question from Elseworld heavyweight champion, the boss dog, Patrick O'Duffy.
01:18:43
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What non-American fast food chain should make its way to the United States? And what U.S. only chain should absolutely stay that way?
01:18:55
Speaker
I mean, I would argue most of the U.S. change should stay that way. Nobody needs that. Hey, I'm from the USSR. When that McDonald's came to a came to Russia, though those was that was a big day for capitalism. My favorite thing.
01:19:12
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um You know, you rarely hear from people who hate cops, but also do love capitalism. Oh, baby. I love my corporate masters.
01:19:23
Speaker
You know where the boss gets the most money? They yell at me the most. that takes up ah I want Tim Hortons to come to America. Yeah, all these Canadians are making me real jelly.
01:19:36
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ah Hang on. I just want to say it's in parts of America because I used to work in New York at a Tim Hortons. Damn. Yeah. Yeah, I'm in my little egg bubble. It's, you know, yeah it's it's nothing amazing.
01:19:50
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You got Duncan. What more? What more do you need? Ooh, Boston. ah could say are Are there any Nandos in the United States? Because that's what that's the one I want. there's right There's one in D.C. i know I just know because the Doughboys talked about it.
01:20:06
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Ah, okay. So, when we all go to D.C., we we're not going to protest anything. We're good boys. The government's listening. We're all going to to Nando's.
01:20:19
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Yeah, that's when we'll go to Nando's. and That's right. Love capitalism. No complaints with the government. Hey, I got nothing to go. Hey, if anyone's listening, everything's fine.
01:20:30
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Wink, wink. Wink, wink. We'll all get government charges. Let's see. Matt Fiction wants to know you think if you think they're ever going to make another season of the Birthday Boys.
01:20:44
Speaker
They should. They they definitely should. I would love that. well The first season was, what, what just ah just like 10 years ago or so? so yeah It was a while ago.
01:20:58
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There were two seasons. um God, it is it's one of my favorite sketch shows. um Yeah. Yeah. and I mean, yeah, my answer is they should. That's my very nice answer.
01:21:09
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Amazon, bring them back like the kids in the hall. Hey, Bezos. Hey. You heard me say a lot of nice things. Yeah.
Fun Discussions: TV Shows and Food
01:21:15
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yeah We love capitalism. Bring us season three. We love you and your weird wedding.
01:21:21
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I think it's really cool. You're making everyone mad by getting married at a weird place. Bring back the birthday boys. ah Stone Cold HCC, an account that exists only to ask questions on where Rocket Ajax asks, y'all think that restaurant from the bear everybody ever made anything that tastes as good as an Oreo?
01:21:38
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Is this for all of us? i I would assume so, yes. Absolutely not.
01:21:45
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Y'all going around the horn? Yeah, let's go around the horn. I gotta go last. I'm in the monopolizing dock gang.
01:21:53
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gonna say probably not. Also.
01:21:59
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I'm going to say that they probably do some kind of weird thing where they like re-imagine an Oreo. And so it tastes as good as an Oreo, but it's more annoying to eat.
01:22:11
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See, now my question is, it like maybe they can do savory, but can they do sweet like an Oreo? You know what I mean? yeah i don't want to I don't want to do like the whole Brennan Lee Mulligan Oreo CEO sketch.
01:22:27
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But what the fuck would you be reimagining, Matt? Like, what, like, what, how, like, it's a perfect thing. i ah let me, let me rephrase it instead of reimagining.
01:22:38
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Deconstructed. know what I can do with an Oreo? You deconstruct two of them. Here's the fancy thing. Okay. Sorry, go on, go on, go on. I want to hear it.
01:22:49
Speaker
I'm just, I'm getting increasingly angry. you Please continue. You get the two chocolate cookies on the side. They add the cream on the side as if it was a sauce. And someone who trained their whole life who trained their whole life to make good food, does it in front of you. It's like a hibachi grill kind of thing.
01:23:06
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They make the Oreo in front of you. and Oh my God. And you know, much like the bear is not as good as a real comedy, but do it's all it will not be as good as a real Oreo.
01:23:18
Speaker
Hey, remember that pilot where they had the little arcade showcase, they had the video game arcade and and a line of nerds was around the corner. And the joke is like, look at these huge losers.
01:23:30
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Fuck that shit. And another thing. And another thing. ah In an episode of The Bear... There's a bit where they go to Pequod's, the place... i know Uno's is great, but Pequod's is where like the the really great Chicago pizza is. and i was literally going to make the joke of, isn't that that place from the bear? So thank you for bringing that around.
01:23:59
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ah But they do a thing where they go to Pequod's and they... Just get Pequod's Pizza and bring it out to the people at this restaurant, which is not the actual bear restaurant. It's a different restaurant.
01:24:11
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But my point stands. They take Pequod's Pizza and they make it worse because they cut off the crust, which is the best fucking part of Pequod's Pizza. yeah Hey, fictional character from the bear, if you're listening.
01:24:28
Speaker
Fuck you. Yeah. Hey, you what call the bear? so Call the boar. Yeah, you got them got well you got him. See, there's that Dick DiBartolo energy, Alex. Yeah, the great Dick DiBartolo.
01:24:42
Speaker
Let's hear it for Dick DiBartolo. you folks know who Dick DiBartolo is? He was a... He what but but he did a man a Mad Magazine guy. yeah yeah yeah He was Mad's Maddest writer. I
Listener Questions and Comic Features
01:24:55
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was on a podcast and I was like, who's your favorite Mad guy? And I went, Dick DiBartolo. And Fred gave me the business.
01:25:01
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Because that is the most boring fucking guy you could bring up. The middle-aged man who did all the puns. Yeah, that's him. Not Kurtzman. Not Jaffe. Dick DiBartolo.
01:25:13
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Not Will Elder. Nope. You know. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say any of those guys. I would say Mort Drucker. Oh, Mort Drucker's great. Yeah. well we're Also the most fun name to say. Dick DiBartolo.
01:25:27
Speaker
Aragones. A lot of people listening to this show would say Aragones. Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. All right. We got time for one last question. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think we got time for one last question.
01:25:41
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ah So let's take this one. Derek, who says, I'm a big Doughboys fan, so I got to know, is there going to be a gator or a whale in there?
01:25:52
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Also, do they know about the Klytus snack situation? I was hesitant to support the Doughboys Patreon for a while because I was worried for Mitch's health.
01:26:03
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Mitch is thin now. um He's very open about this. He went on an Ozempic-like drug... And had one big meeting with them where it was like a few people. They're all talking about like the Ozempic drugs they're on.
01:26:18
Speaker
And then we come back like a month later and everyone's thin. So no need for concern about Mitch. Dude, I did the dough boys recently and I was the chunkiest little guy there. yeah He's in good health.
01:26:31
Speaker
What was the other part of that? Oh, gators. Yes. Yeah. Gators or whales. Whales. I don't know what the whales are about. I'll be honest. and I'm going to look that up later. Alex, it's about your good friend Paya Khan.
01:26:44
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Oh, God. Yes, it's in there. LAUGHTER It's in there because Mitch was like, you know, we could Pyakon in this scene. And he took the script.
01:26:55
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You got the part where he changed all the speech balloons. He's like, someone's got to mention Pyakon. Oh, wait, Pyakon's drawn in there. Oh, my God. I'm just remembering this now. Yes, Pyakon is mentioned in the in the second issue of Doughboy several times.
01:27:10
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Gators are the – Gators, issue four. i don I don't think you can spoil this book. So issue four coming out in eight months. and spoil yeah there's No, there's spoilers. um I think it's going to be very Gator-focused. As we know, the Doughboys famously think they're sucking off human beings, but in fact they are sucking off Gators.
01:27:30
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A bit that has went off that I have gladly paid tribute to him upon the show. Um, yeah, no, you got PayaCon, you got the Gators. ah right Did I miss anything?
01:27:42
Speaker
I'm sure we missed some. We got Mickey. We got Evil Mickey. Oh, yeah, Mickey. We got Evil Mickey. Make brief cameo. Yeah. Look, I'm going to tell you something. I made a cheat sheet of Doughboy's references.
01:27:55
Speaker
And even though this could be enjoyed by someone who's never heard of the show before, all you little dorks, you're going to get your references. You're going to get your, no peeking or whatever the hell. Yeah.
Conclusion and Social Media Promotions
01:28:08
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Well, an amazing and worthwhile promise to end on. Alex and Fred, thank you for being on the show. Before we let you go, um please let our listeners know where they can follow you, where they can buy the book, and whatever else you want them to know, whatever else you want to plug.
01:28:29
Speaker
So I'm at Fred C. Stressing, stressing with one S. um You can find me on Blue Sky. You can find me on Instagram. um You can find me at home most days sleeping.
01:28:40
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But I'm, yeah, very much ah excited about this book. You can find the Doughboys comic at BRKids.com. That's spelled B-E-O-U-R-Kids.com. It's part of the Doughboys Kids Club for Adults.
01:28:58
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is the name of it. And we're putting out books once every two months ah for six issues. It's going really good. um Additionally, Alex and i have some of various Rick and Mortys we've worked on. and alex want ah Yeah, I'll plug the book everyone gets mad at Hey, nerds.
01:29:18
Speaker
Y'all like the Rick and Morty cartoon? Yeah. You want to read the books? Maybe. Well, get Rick's new hat. Yeah. ah Rick's new hat. That's something Fred and I did. Bird person. and Honestly, if you, Fred has one that he wrote himself called, which is coming on a special edition this week. Oh yeah. Rick and Morty me six PI and the collection of our work that's coming out.
01:29:41
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I love the compendiums. We got a Rick and Morty compendium coming out. Mr. Goldenfolds on the cover. from Fred and I did a 12-issue Rick and Morty epic called The Space Shake Saga that's coming out in the Rick and Morty Compendium Volume 5.
01:29:55
Speaker
This is all sounds. We've got a lot of numbers happening. um So yeah, buy those. We're very proud of those too. um Yeah, we are. Should we be?
01:30:06
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That's a question for the philosophers. um But you can find you can find me on any social at my name, alexfear.bluesky.social. That's A-L-E-X-F-I-R-E-R.
01:30:19
Speaker
And you can find me on Instagram. And that's about it. Oh, goodness me. What else should I plug? Hey, Fred and I did one Diablo webcomic three years ago.
01:30:32
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You can look for that. If you can find it, if I get likes on it on Instagram, I'll know you found it. Yeah. Cancel due to lack of likes. That's true. i know it is.
01:30:43
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yeah What other things did we fail at? No, this is good. this is good but We didn't fail at the things we're telling you. Go out check out. Yeah.
01:30:55
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Those are all great. They're gold. Yeah. No, they're lot of fun. Yeah, you're going to like them. Yeah. Yeah, why not? If you don't, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not sorry. I'm glad you didn't like them. Fuck you. Not liking my work.
01:31:08
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Anyway, that that's my plug. That's my plug.
01:31:14
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All right, our guests have been Alex Führer.
01:31:22
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Sorry. ah i am that That was the longest outro I think we've ever had. Should we do a shorter one? No. Hey. i didn't I didn't say i had a problem with it.
01:31:34
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yes Our guests have been Alex Fierer and Fred C. Stressing. ah Go check out ah the Doughboys comic It is a Hoot. Guys, thank you so much for being on the show.
01:31:45
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Thank you for having us!
01:31:49
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Thanks once again to Alex and Fred for joining us. That was a ah very fun conversation. You should definitely check out that comic. Yeah. And check out their other work too on the Rick and Morty books. And if
Final Thoughts and Social Justice Affirmations
01:32:02
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you can find that Diablo comic, ah go, go check it all out.
01:32:07
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ah But Chris, I think that is going to finish us out here on the show this week. If you would like to email us, you can do that at our email address, which is warrocketpodcast at gmail.com.
01:32:22
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That is where you can send every story ever lists, send your one to ten of sword en entry swords entries. It's where you can let us know if you want to sponsor the show or drop us a line about any old other thing ah that you want to let us know about or talk to us about.
01:32:41
Speaker
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01:33:01
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Be part of that community of WarRocketAjax fans. Our website is WarRocketAjax.com. It has every episode of the show that we've ever done. WarRocketWiki.com is the fan-run repository of all the information you could ever want or need about this show.
01:33:17
Speaker
WarRocket Ajax, go check that out. If you want to find me and my stuff, go to mattdwilson.net to find links to my comics, my books, my other podcasts, and my social media presences. They are all right there.
01:33:32
Speaker
Chris, where can everybody find you? Everybody can find me by going to the-isb.com. That is my website. It has links to all the stuff that I do here and there around the internet. Bye, everybody. We'll see you next week.
01:33:45
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We'll see you next week, everybody. Be here for that show. And until then, don't forget, Black Lives Matter. Trans rights are human rights. As are abortion rights. Drag is not a crime. And cops aren't your friends.
01:33:57
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But we love you. We love you. Yeah!