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Talking Shttt with Andrew Jassick
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Introduction to the Deluxe Edition Network
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This podcast is part of the Deluxe Edition Network. To find other great shows on the network, head over to deluxeeditionnetwork.com. That's deluxeeditionnetwork.com.
Meet the Hosts and Podcast of the Month
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Welcome to talking shit ladies and gentlemen, I am Brian and with me as always Is mark mark who is the podcast of the month before we get started here?
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Bebs video kingdom And you can find them on the deluxe edition calm or network and with a ton of other great um Podcast and They got some good ones over there.
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That's right. Get over there and check the Deluxe Edition Network out for all of the podcasts that they have, including Bev's. right, Mark, who's up today?
Guest Appearance and Security Breaches
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We have Andrew. Wait a minute. The guy that couldn't make it yesterday? Yeah. He's here today? Yes. Holy cow. Who the hell is this?
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I don't know. Hey, all right. There we go. I made it. Who's that? I have no idea.
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the Hispanic cause and panic. Was somebody talking crap about me? Somebody was talking shit. I don't know who this is. I don't know who that is.
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I don't see it in the chat. Oh, it always is in comment? You can't. No, you can't see who it was. Someone was able to hack our, yeah. Someone able to hack our game. Somebody was our green room. Oh, no way. Oh, I brought in the trolls. I'm sorry.
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All good. That's crazy.
Military Memories and Wrestling Ventures
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ah ladies so ladies there ladies and gentlemen Ladies and gentlemen, Andy and I go back a little ways back in our when we were in the military together and we did some ah indies. you know he actually was a good instructor, good teacher for me in a little promotion called SAW.
00:02:30
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In another promotion that he started with his tag team partner, Ryan Stone, as you guys know him, Trevor Allen, his real, uh, real name. Um, and that promotion was new wave pro wrestling.
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That almost got me in serious trouble with the military for some damn reason. Who cares? That that was in the past. I remember that. Yeah. We had to break that ring down and, and what an hour. They gave hour. like They're on their way. Yeah.
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I was like, son of a bitch. Oh, we'll talk about that in a minute, you know, because I want to know that why they, that actually happened. we will get into that. We'll get into that later in the show. So, uh, Mark, I know you've got a lot of questions from my friend here, Andy.
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Uh, so I'm gonna let you go ahead. and all right.
TikTok Journey and Viral Fame
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First off, um, I'm sorry that you had to, you know, deal with Brian in the military. yeah yeah um um I've had to, I've had it i've had to deal with him my whole life. So just about, um, yeah, I started watching your, uh,
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your tick tocks and i have never laughed so much especially you know so with you and your wife i now did you guys start this as a you know a joke and say oh you know i when you started doing that uh app no well ah yes and no i had um my i have a stepdaughter my wife's daughter she was i think 12 at the time and she told me um Like, hey you you know, you should you should download TikTok. And I was just like, ah, you know, it's I'm not you know, I'm it comes a time in your life when you wake up and you realize you're not invited to the party anymore.
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You know what I mean? Like you can tell what the weather is going to be, the way your back feels when you wake up in the morning. I'm like, OK, now I'm not you know, I'm too old for TikTok, essentially. But i downloaded it anyway, you know, and I tried to like post like a couple of videos and they just bombed. You know, I think my first like really exciting video that I did got like a thousand views. And I thought that was like that was the that was the business. You know, um it wasn't until the very the very first video i ever had her in just happened to go viral.
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And that was probably I'd say maybe a year a year or so doing TikTok just by myself with nothing. And then we did a video that went viral where this chick was. It was we stitched ah some chicks says, tell me you have ah ah a tell me you have a big package without telling me you have a big package. And I said, tell him, honey. And she said, he doesn't, you know, and with we plan this whole thing out. You bitch. and And that was, that was it. That was the whole thing. The whole thing lasted like, like our part lasted probably less than four or five seconds.
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And um the video like overnight did, I want to say like 3 million views, like the next day it had 3 million views. And I said, well, crap, maybe we should just do stuff together from now on.
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And so we did stuff together from now on. and And all of it, for the most part, all of our content has always just been kind of geared towards being funny. We would watch videos together and and say, you know, that'd be funny to stitch that, you know, and somebody. And it's always, always involves like sexuality, always like with our content, it's like, you know, sexual, you know, or people that are like really into like, into fitness, um they, you know, they'll post things like, okay, we gotta do something on that because we're fat.
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um So, you know, I just we We wanted to post videos that seemed very Organic and come off as Just her like one-offs Like kind of being mean to me, like, oh, I got you In the moment um When in fact, and I hate to spoil it for anybody That that is watching and and and likes to watch me on TikTok They're very much planned out that way there you know there's a but it's a work as we say in wrestling it's absolutely it's a total ruse but um but yeah i now you know while it didn't start out that way it is now it's definitely it's definitely turned into this comedic um couples tick tock where is it's not not myself anymore um and that is the whole humor is just kind of her shitting on me all the time um but seems to work for people like They they dig it.
Monetizing TikTok Success
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And it's funny because I get a lot of comments from like the alpha males that will say, well, what, you know, imagine if the roles were reversed in this situation. I get a lot of those, a lot of those. And then it's great because people in the comments will fight with the alpha males. The alpha males will come back in and they'll, you know, and then they'll turn in political and all this other garbage. And I don't necessarily read all the fights, but it's great for algorithm purposes, right? Because I'm getting a lot of comments in my, in my videos. And now I'm getting people coming back to the, to fight with each other, know, they're watching my video again. So, That's good for me.
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um So now, it you know, it became like more less of like selling a one off that we would do more to like a pretty consistent hobby that is, you know, truth be told, it's starting to kind of you know pay some bills, which is kind of exciting.
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Well, that's that's a good thing. But now the government's going to get their hands in that too, right? Oh, oh no, they do. Yeah, totally. i yeah i i owed I owed so much in my taxes yesterday. My tax guy was like, okay, listen, you know do i mean I know you drive to work. do you know You want to write up your gas mileage and all this. He's like trying to find me ways to get like not be like knee deep in the hole.
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But yeah. yeah i just yeah but i mean it's It's worth it. i was able to you know with ah With the love and support that I get with social media, it's not just TikTok. My Instagram is starting to kind of grow. Just starting to grow. um But with all that, I'm starting to get I'm starting to, you know, do stuff for like my family that I was never able to have when I was a kid. You know, we literally, you know, we we paid for my not out in full, but we put a nice chunk of a down payment on you know my house and and my I bought a Tesla. So, you know, we were able to do that with TikTok money, you know, and it really is. It's all about like the love and support of my. love You hear that, right?
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With TikTok money, he he bought a Tesla. yeah i'm out I'm not buying a Tesla. No, I'm not buying a Tesla neither, but you know. Oh, yeah, that's right. but yeah you got Yeah, I know. I know. I know. i We live in Florida. Yeah, I get it. Okay. All right. Keep a gas guzzler. That's fine. all Hey, I like my Dodge.
00:08:41
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My Dodge Ram's fine. I'd say like that my my favorite car I owned was an old Ford Mustang. so Mine was mike was my very first car. I loved It it was 79 Marker Capri.
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you know it resembled a a mustang in the 80s you know it was great yeah is that the one is that the car that had no reverse and we had the stone that son of a bitch out of parking lots yes it was such a pain in the ass i hated that was the best car it was it was i hated his car i hated it yeah but it got him to school when when you're when you're young when you're especially when you're younger right a car any car is a good car Oh, absolutely.
Car Adventures and Nostalgia
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My first car was an 89 Acura. It was, it was, it smelled like it was on fire every time I stopped.
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just like i had in my head out Until then I got to seven 11, you know, mine had a exhaust coming through vents. I didn't know that a hose was moved the from the um um valve cover was moved and put right there. And I'm like, what the hell? We had to roll down the windows in the winter time when it actually did get cold here.
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yeah And I'm like, shit, no. So we had to figure that out. Best car to ever skip school in was Mark's Mercury. Yes. I had fun in that, though. And that was before the reverse went, though. but let's let Let's get back to him. Now, yeah one of my favorite videos, but you know, I love the videos of you guys doing the marriage app. But one of my favorite ones was actually the first one I watched was, you know, you showed her a picture of this guy.
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And you said, it is he, am I good looking like that? Or is he good looking? or they No, he's fine. He's fine. And then you're sleeping. And then all of sudden you hear the bzzz. That was her alarm clock going off, sir. That's right. It's like, why don't you steal her toothbrush? Yeah. Yeah, I was laughing my ass off at that one. But yeah, i was I was watching your YouTube channel yesterday all day.
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and Thank you. I was like, i was like oh, shit. yeah I couldn't stop. It was one right after another. it was funny. And then i I just I was like, how the hell did they come up with some of these answers for that? But then I was thinking, you know, you know, if you're if you're playing with your husband with these answers, then it's really fun to do.
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yeah My wife does that shit to me all the time. So I know. Yeah.
Sponsorship and Success with Paired App
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Well, that's, you know, what i take listen, and and this is that this is the this a funny thing. And and and truth be told, the the paired app um is, it's's it's a monetized thing. Those are advertisements all the way and it don't appear to be advertisements. And I think that's why they work. A lot of people that will comment on those on those videos, whether it be Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok, they'll... um people will say, they'll point out like, oh, these are the funniest ads. Like this this is, you know, I bought my, or I got the subscription because of this of this ad, you know? um
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And when i when I was approached to do it originally, because it was it wasn't them, was a third party company that was working for them that approached me to do it. And i was like, okay, we'll come up with something, you know, and we we kind of looked at the ads and it was just, it's, it's, it was like a lot of like sweet things, you know what and i mean? Like, it was like, well, we can't do that. That's not our humor. You know i mean? Like it doesn't fit. So what can we do to kind of make it fit? So we came up with like, you know, obviously like the multiple, I mean, you know, depending on, you know, where you land, I think we have like 30 plus videos prepared. Um,
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And and we we just wanted it to be where she kind of just, you know, just obliterates me with every answer. And and what's what's what's good about it, and and this is the truth, is is that app, um you know, like it's's it's obviously not designed to mess with your partner, although it definitely could be for that.
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um But it's it really has it it legit. I mean, you know, like totally and I'm not getting paid to say this. The app has definitely brought us closer together because of the fun that we have with it.
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You know, we're able to like actually, you know, talk and and and make some like good memories with that app, you know, because. You know, there's there's stuff I'll answer. Like if I was at work or something like that, I'd answer it And then she would answer something that I do. I would, you know, sometimes we coach and like talk about. And then there's other times where she just choose answers. And it's great. You know, there's some videos that are completely taking me up by surprise. And it's like we had to do it a couple of times. We had to some takes. This is like, oh, man, that's funny. That was really good. Yeah. Yeah. The look on your face. I mean, those are some of the, but you know, when you look at we're doing this app and this is what I say.
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And this is what she says and you move over duck down and you can't help but laugh and you know just and then you got the ones where you know tell me how tell me how you know that your husband i think this was one of how your husband is not cheating on you she runs in there real quick point or your partner yeah yeah or you you get your partner and your shirt's up here oh yeah you know picking i was I was like, oh man, that would be my wife right there.
00:13:55
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that that That one got, that's probably the highest viewed. Well, not anymore. I have an advertisement that was that was recently pushed. It was, they called sparking in TikTok. But I have an advertiser that sparked one of my videos for this other, this this texting app called Lit Stick.
00:14:11
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And that one right now has like 20 million views. But organically, like the the one that you just talked about is is my most viewed video. And I think it has like 12 million, 13 million, something like that. views and like so many people have like stitched it and like you wouldn't believe like if if you actually go to the tick tock video you'd you'd be surprised like how many people are like really fighting in those comments and i had to like kind of tone it down and do like a video response to like somebody's to somebody's comment and like kind of flip it the other way around where i was you know calling my wife fat and um she still got me at the end anyway but um um
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But yeah, and i I appreciate that. I really do.
Content Creation Challenges
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a lot of it A lot of thought, you know, sometimes there's no thought at all. It's just, you know, it's a good dynamic that my wife and I have. I i tell you that, you know, nobody knows bearett and ah marriage better than I do. I've been married three times. and I've had three successful marriages. Third time's the charm.
00:15:05
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i was just Look, you know what? Hey, it's military life. um But I will say that there's you know's never, I've never had a closer connection to anybody than I do with my wife. She's my absolute like best friend in the whole world. And we really have that that dynamic. It's incredibly important when you do those videos to have that. If she's standing next to you with a bat, blink once. That's right. And I love my wife. Yeah. was just thinking that ah you know in the app, you're going to get your comeuppance. There's going to be a point yeah where you're going to flip it, and you're just going to be like, here we go.
00:15:44
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let's Let's run this one. We've been trying. so like We were thinking, like oh, man, but if I do that, that's going to be the end of it. you know i mean It has to be like – She still has to get him in the end. yeah She still has to be one up on him because otherwise it doesn't work. It's like ah the other day when we had ah Toby in here from Tony or Toby and Angela or Angel.
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ah and Yeah, Angel. um When we had them in here, they kept taking their stuff down because they, you know, they use fake stuff and people would, you know, what we're calling it as a um be her being abusive. Spouse, yeah, spousal abuse. Yeah. so So I'm not sure if you've seen the video where he comes in the kitchen and he asks his wife, if somebody offered you a million dollars,
00:16:29
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sony hit you with beat my ass yeah what what and she just whips around with this cast iron skillet oh that's funny and and then the wasted and then the wasted thing from uh you know um uh yeah yeah rather more um but no grand theft auto right yeah no mortal combat
00:16:53
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Go watch it again. about but okay I think it's Mortal Kombat. Is this a couple that does the, i know they i don't know if it's this couple, but they did they did do something, like for a while, a lot of their videos, like he walks away with the Gangster's Paradise song playing in the background. is that There's one, yes. There is one, yes. I wonder if, because is is it it i you know I'm not, I try my, and here's the truth, you know and and this is horrible for me to say, I try my best to stay off the TikTok, because it's addicting. I mean, I'll i'll go through it. oh yeah.
00:17:22
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You lose hours going. Yeah, no, you really will. You know what I mean Like it's supposed to be an app for when you poop and that's it. You know, once you're done, you wipe and you shut your phone off. um Otherwise, you're you're done for the day. um yeah But is this is the is the wife? Is she a blonde lady?
00:17:38
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No, red redhead. Red and black. Because I was going to say, because because we had a very interesting podcast. There was a couple that's it's a really famous couple on TikTok, has much more followers than me. that The video you just talked about with my shirts up or whatever, because at the end of that video, I think she says, I said, like, I'm i'm cheating on you. And she said, with who, your diet?
00:17:56
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they They had, they stole the entire thing, word for word, verbatim from me and and posted it got a bunch of... those no, they don't they don't like to do that part. No, no it's good. It's not the same couple for sure. But yeah, if it was them, I'd be like, okay, bring them back on here. We're going to talk.
00:18:13
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Yeah, they like to do... They happen to me so many times, and honestly, I don't care if if if it's a smaller account. You know what I mean? like Obviously, you know people... Oh, it is Right. Nobody ever has any original content anymore. No. people are index a lot lot of the stuff A lot of the stuff that we do are just kind of, you know, in a sense, because not necessarily the jokes themselves, but the types of jokes are just recycled like married with children stuff.
00:18:37
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You know what i mean? Like that kind of Right, exactly. Yes, exactly. Yeah, but this generation doesn't know that. Now that's why they're watching TikTok. No, of course. That's that's that's why tobe that's why Toby kept getting, you know, suspended a lot. And had his account. Because, I mean, the the metal pan is not metal. It is actually rubber. And you can squeeze it and all this. And they showed people. He even made a video afterwards because they were suspended. They had to do something to show them. And so they showed people. And they still did not understand it. You know, come on. It's called comedy.
00:19:13
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Yeah. It was slapstick comedy. Slapstick comedy. that subject you don't understand If you don't understand that, go watch The Three Stooges. yeah Man, and they would have a field day with them or the or the Marx Brothers, you know. Right. Exactly. the It's it's it's very much different. um Tick tock is especially sensitive. I've I've gotten I've never gotten my account suspended, but I've had multiple videos, multiple videos removed for either sex or explicit content. And the most common one is abuse. It's always abuse or or bullying. It's harassment and bullying is what it is.
00:19:46
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um And I think eventually, like, they just stopped flagging my video. I haven't had a video flagged in a while. And I think it's because, like, i've I've been appealing so much and just letting them know, like, hey, this isn't, you know, this is just, it's just, it's satire. It's comedy, you know. um But, yeah, and and and and they can come close. I mean, you know, if if enough of enough hap if enough strikes happen, then then they'll get their account suspended or banned, Lord forbid. Same thing for me, you know.
00:20:16
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yeah My first one, my first my very first account got ah suspended or banned actually. I had to fight to get it back and they still would not give it to me. And finally they just gave up and gave it back to me for no reason. There was nothing, nothing exclusive on it. Nothing. They just did it that way. I said, okay, fine. Fuck you. i don't care. Yeah. Well, it doesn't have to be. TikTok is very much like that. And and they don't give you you, know, they give you a very generic reason for it.
00:20:41
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But even if you go to, you you can't even write down why, why you're appealing. You to have a comment section where you say, well, this is why and blah, blah, blah. They got tired of reading that. So I think now what they do is if I send in an appeal, they'll just they'll just reinstate my video that that I've never I haven't in a long time submitted an appeal that that didn't get the video reinstated. So I think it's just still an automated thing. They're just giving people a chance to appeal it. And if they appeal it, then it goes to another automated system that reinstates the video. So it's really stupid.
00:21:07
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The whole thing is just dumb. I mean, I actually got to talk to somebody in an email. i guess it was somebody because when I couldn't figure out how to get back into my account,
00:21:18
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They were like, oh, well, you got to do this, this and that. And I was like, listen, I'm not doing none of that. I'm sorry. i'm not I'll just I'll not go on TikTok. And they were like, all right, have a nice day. was like, oh, what?
00:21:29
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i didn't even know want to watch emails but I want to watch videos. I mean, right gotta to use change your email or whatever, you know, it don't matter. I'd like to be able to figure out how to get back into my original account that somebody got that now I can't figure out how to get back into. Oh, you'd be surprised. I get I get multiple times a day, would it whether it be Instagram or Facebook or not Facebook, but Instagram and TikTok. I'll get.
00:21:53
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at least one message per day from somebody saying, you know, Hey, ah um I need a confirmation code from, ah from your phone number that ends in, you know, whatever the last four days, because they can tell you what the last four days of your phone number is.
00:22:07
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So what's that, what's that, what's that thing? And that's how they get your account because they, they're able to sign in through that, you know, they sign in, they, they put in a fake password and then, you know, and then I tell them the code, you know, and then they're able to get in the account, but I'm, I'm hip to the scam. So I just, I usually what I do is because also have Snapchat and and and i don't know if you guys have used Snapchat lately, um but I don't really use Snapchat.
00:22:28
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Like I just don't use it. I don't send anything out. But but it's flooded. Like all of my friends are just like these fake scammer bots that will ask me for like my cash app and, you know, and and a bunch of weird scams and stuff like that. And I just said I love those games.
00:22:42
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Like i literally send them pictures. I Google shit in toilet and send them pictures of that. I think it's mine. I like like know my dad got the code. I'm like, yeah, here you go. like My favorite one. My favorite ones are the ones that sit there and tell you i they're women that come on. Oh, I'll also show you your pictures for this, this and this. Well, OK, fine. Send me a picture of what you look like. OK, well, I have an app on my phone that tells me if you use it a scam or not So, i mean, it's it's funny. And I get them all the time on that. I'm like, okay, one sent me a picture of a porn star. And I'm like, um eat dummy, I know who that is.
00:23:19
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Right. Well, that's, look, and and nothing against you. That's the kind of people they're going for. They're going, you know, sad people like us three who just, who who know, you know, there there are some girls that started today and I know them.
00:23:31
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Let me ask you this. Has your, has any of your other accounts, have have they gotten hacked? have Have you ever been hacked? As far as, hey, somebody said, hey, man, i saw the video that you needed money or or anything like that. and you're like, what the hell are you talking about?
00:23:49
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No, I've never, never, never, never. as You know, because I'm a fan of like some of the YouTube because I don't watch like TV much. I watch just mainly YouTube content. That's that's how I fall asleep. That's what I like to watch.
00:24:03
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And one of the things I like to watch is this guy on YouTube, his name is Kit Boga, and he he calls scammers all the time. I love him. Oh, yes. I know who that just kind of understood how scams work. And I was just like, okay, well, that's good. It's it's good information. had Obviously, it's funny content, but it's good to know it's good to know kind of how scams work. So I never fell for any of it.
00:24:21
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Never. i was i was very I was fortunate enough to have the knowledge of how that how that crap works. Honestly. it and And now I look at it's like, how does anybody fall for it even now? Like, it's just, it's crazy.
Audience Engagement and Integrity
00:24:32
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Like, you know, there's, there's no way this hot chick is reaching out to me, to me, you know? Yeah.
00:24:40
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yeah A few years ago I had my Instagram account, um you know, taken and they were sending out messages to people telling them that I left my wife and,
00:24:53
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um I met a girl and I left my wife and they were using you see when you message people that I've been friends with and you're you know like on um Xbox I have a certain tagger name that people knew me by and I would go and they were talking to them without using that name they knew something was wrong so I had a friend call me up ah from Washington tell me hey look you know um I know that you uh you know you like the women and all but did you have to ask me like for you know this amount of money i said did you send it he said no i said good i didn't ask for it right and i was laughing my ass off when they were telling me this i was like you gotta be kidding me but i leave my wife of uh you know of almost 25 years ah fuck you yeah andy i think it would be really uh i think it
00:25:45
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may behoove you and maybe your wife to make a video about getting hacked or something like that. Maybe put that out there for people and say, hey, listen, if you're getting this account, you know, and it says da-da-da-da-da or something, I don't know, something, I mean, you have a way to to do something like that that I don't have that ability because I'm not on the on the talks like that. Right. Right.
00:26:09
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Yeah, it's not it's it's not a bad idea. i you know i've i've only i put my cash up I put my Cash App out there once. um I want somebody to put money in it. i They never do. no no people People did. people i did a um i did a video i did a video where I put my... cause I had my wife make me a Cash App.
00:26:29
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I said, my wife made me a Cash I'm going put that on the screen. It says Small Peenie. That was the name of the the Cash App. was like... You know, um but yeah, that you'd be surprised how many people actually sent money to it. and i I declined them all.
00:26:41
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Oh, wow. look that Yeah. No. i and And I'll tell you, that this is something that I will say and I kind of proud my pride myself on at least so far. Right. And there's so. So let me let me start off by saying this along with all the YouTube content I love. I love to watch lol cows of the Internet. I'm a big fan of it. I love people that are just horrible human beings and are failing miserably on the Internet. These live streamers that are begging for money and stuff. And and just it just, you know, it sends a makes my heart warm because they're horrible people. um
00:27:12
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But I always I always said, like, when I started, like, getting a little bit of a following, I started making a little bit of money. I said, you know, when when the time is up, the time's up. And, you know, I'll go back to a regular job and, and you know you know, disappear into the shadows like everybody else and be fine. But I will never I will never accept money for a donation. Right. I have a cameo. Right. I'm giving you a service, but I'll never accept a ah money and like just just to send me money. I just I won't. You know, I'll put it out there as a joke. But if you if you send me money, I send it right back. And don't even mention it in the comments. Like somebody had said, like I donated like in a comment.
00:27:46
Speaker
Right. And then i I friended them. I gave him a friend, a follow, a follow back. And then I shot him an email. So hey just let you know i'm sending you back the money just because i just I don't like to do that. I just I just don't. You know, I'm I'm I'm happy with what we do. And and I make I make enough money outside of even TikTok to, you know, I don't feel I'm going to be like a superstar when I'm going to.
00:28:07
Speaker
pay all of my bills with this it's nice to have some extra to give something to my family but you know after that once it's gone it's gone and and i'll continue to do it because it's fun to do you know how long have you been married to your to your third wife now hmm oh she's gonna hate this i don't know oh shit ah she was talking to me yesterday about like not listening to her or something i don't know i wasn't paying attention but she said
00:28:35
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na yeah That was off of a,
Personal Growth and Relationship Lessons
00:28:40
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um, no, I i had a, um, I, I got married in October of 2000.
00:28:51
Speaker
19 i think it was okay so we've been married we've been married for about three and a half years we were we've we've been in a relationship since september of 2013 so we're coming up we're coming up on 10 years of uh of being together we waited a long time very purposely because i i screwed up so many times um before so did she send me a john beer letter i guess i guess you learned from your mistakes right I have now after two of them. Yeah, I did. I learned. Well, look, and and here's the here's the thing is, and and i ill I'll, you know, i can I can talk shit about my exes all the time, right? There's always two sides. That's the name of the show. so i bet yeah That's true. There you go.
00:29:30
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Um, look, here's, here's the truth. I, I, I, I was not an easy person to be with many years ago. I just, I wasn't, and it wasn't until I started, you know, from my experiences with, you know, in the Navy and and Brian, you know, you were there on the, on the, where were you? You were on the, you were on with the Higgins, right?
00:29:46
Speaker
No, I was on, uh, Benfold. The Benfold. Okay. So on the Higgins. So, so we, that was after we did the swap. Um, So the Higgins is when and i don't know if you went, Brian, to to you did anything with the Iraqi freedom. But I was I was over there in Iraqi freedom. And I remember like sitting in my bunk in my rack and they woke us up at like four o'clock in the morning. This is like the the night everything started the night, the very night, everything, the early morning everything started.
00:30:15
Speaker
And the CEO woke us up on the one MC said, hey, you know, in 30 minutes, going launch over Tomahawk missiles. And, you know, if Saddam doesn't release his weapons of mass destruction, some bullshit, you know, I was just like, I remember like laying, you I was like 19, 20 years old. It's like, I'm a fucking kid, you know, and I just remember thinking like, and you know me, I was a fucking cook, bro. I was nobody special.
00:30:31
Speaker
um But I remember like thinking in my rack, I'm like, man, it's like women and kids are about to die. Like this is, you know what I mean? Like, you know, what the, what am I doing? You know, and and like it wasn't until I got out that I was kind of able to really start to think about those things and thinking about those things fucked my whole world up.
00:30:50
Speaker
Just fucked me up. Like it was bad. It was really bad. And you don't want to talk about like, you don't get too dark here, but, you know, you want to talk about like suicidal and and, you know, and it was it was just it was nuts for me. It was really, really hard. and And I think, you know, in a way, like TikTok and wrestling and stuff like that kind of helped, you know, kind of ease that ease my mind a little bit.
00:31:09
Speaker
But um But, you know, when I was, you know, you know, when I was kind of coming back from all that, that's when I was just like, it was hard to deal with. I really was. I was i was difficult to deal with. I'm not like, as you know, definitely not as lighthearted and and and and happy as I am now. It was just it was always something was always wrong. It was always I always never got sleep and I was always pissed off at the world and blah, blah, blah, blah. So.
00:31:33
Speaker
You know, I felt that I I not not to not to say that the exes didn't do anything wrong. They were fucking awful, too. But um but I definitely had my part in it. So I i once I made the attempt to really.
00:31:48
Speaker
better myself for the sake of whoever I was with is is when is when we did it right. You know, when I finally got it right. And that's why we waited so long. I'm just like, let's just, you know, I want to make sure that that we're we're both comfortable and blah, blah, blah. and And, you know, she was women are just I think in general are just like, well, does he really love me? He's not asking me out. He's not asking me to marry him and all this stuff and blah, blah, blah. And you know we We got engaged and even the engagement lasted like three years before we got married. and And then we finally got married. But I definitely wanted to wait because I felt that I needed to to make sure that I was going to be able to be a good husband.
00:32:24
Speaker
I hope she understands that now. I mean, i've been married I've been married to my wife, Stacey, and I don't know if you remember her or not. Yeah, I remember Stacey. She says hello. Oh, hello. She wanted me to tell you hello.
00:32:36
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She's probably watching that. She did not say that. She said, tell him to go fuck off. no that what That sounds like Stacy. All right, there you go. there But 20, 25 years going on 26, right?
00:32:51
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And, and ah you know, isn't it? Yeah. and And, you know, through thick and thin, I mean, she's been with me, you know, I mean, I was an alcoholic, you know, I was of I was gone all the time. You know, God knows what what he's doing. Well, God knows what she's doing. And, you know, it's vice versa. So but you you come to terms with that. And a lot of people don't understand that because, you know, a lot of people not in the military don't understand what we went through as far as being gone.
00:33:21
Speaker
Trying to make a call on what we used to call it's called a POTS phone. And when the ship makes a turn and you're having this great conversation that you finally got her to shut up for five seconds so you get a speech out real quick.
00:33:33
Speaker
Right. The minute the ship turns, you lose all signal. Right. Yeah. So so this $25 calling card that you had for what, five, 10 minutes of talking.
00:33:44
Speaker
Yeah. Back then i they took it really quick. you got nothing you You got nothing out, really. You know, you didn't get a chance to say, hey, I just wanted to call and tell you I love you. It was, hey, how are the kids? And did you pay this bill? And yada, yada, yada. i mean it You mean to tell me that the Navy was that cheap? They didn't have a free phone for you guys? You had to use calling cards?
00:34:03
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Oh, no, you pay. You pay. Absolutely. Oh, my God. Yeah, that there's no such thing as free. It's all about who you know, though, because they did have sat phones. but Yeah, that I'll tell you, i was I was fortunate because I worked you know i was i was i work in supply. So the supply Yeah, you guys had all the goodies. like Yeah, you guys had all the goodies. And that was that that's how I got my e-swas, bro. you know I'd love to say like I studied really hard and stuff.
Wrestling Storytelling and Promos
00:34:30
Speaker
you know i've it But now for the most part, i was like, hey, bro, I've got some extra cookies for MidRats if you want to come by. you know if um
00:34:36
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But yeah, I was able to use the phone probably more often than other people. I still wasn't enough. Right. But yeah, was to use the phone. But yeah, no, I get that. I do. I get that. it's it's it's It's weird because you have to, you know, when you talk about like sacrifices for like the military, thanking for your sacrifice, you know, obviously you're, you know, for civilians, you're thinking like, well, you know, thanks for going to war and stuff like that. And and people don't really,
00:35:01
Speaker
kind of understand like really what the sacrifice is like i i could give a shit about like being in danger um you know i i could give a fuck you know i mean i could go out there and do do you know it's a job you know to me it's a job you know whatever the whatever the case is you know we're in wartime it is what it is you know it sucks but it is what it is but um But really, the sacrifice comes from from literally putting your entire personal life in danger.
00:35:26
Speaker
You know, you you don't know exactly. It's that you don't know what she's doing and and she doesn't know what you're doing. And, you know, God, you don't come home when when you know I came home and and the mortgage hadn't been paid in three months and and I lost my house because of it, you know. um But yeah those are the sacrifices, you know, it is about that. And and for you and for your wife to stay with you for all that, you know, all that time and all that bullshit, because it's it's a lot. It's a lot. to us She was she was super strong for that, because, I mean, any any other i mean, I looked at, you know, shit, man, I did.
00:35:59
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I don't know how long you did. i did 12 years active of duty with the Navy. I would have stayed. Unfortunately, things didn't progress the way I wanted them to. But.
00:36:10
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In those 12 years that that I was in the Navy, I was married to her for 11 point something. You know what I mean? And for her to stay with me that entire time, ah God bless her because, they you know, i watched so many marriages fall apart. chiefs Chiefs and first classes and, oh, this person's doing this person and that person. Oh, this one turned gay. and Oh, God. What the hell is going on here? Yeah.
00:36:36
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Yeah. they you out of the go watch a ah You want to watch ah a soap opera, run dude. It's called the United States Navy. Find a ship. Yeah. yeahve i've seen I've seen quite a bit of it, too. you know look you know i I didn't stay because of shit like that you know i just like i you know I want to go home for Christmas, and I want to be home for birthdays, and I don't want to wonder for six months you know like why she didn't pick up the phone and back in Hong Kong.
00:37:03
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it was it was a it was a it just kind of it screws you up over time. And and thank you. No good for you. You stayed in for that long. I lasted nine years and I i was up for my I was up for my i think my my second reenlistment. And I said, no.
00:37:22
Speaker
And that was it. You get you get into, you know you get to 10, you might as well stay to 20. That's typically the way it works. Well, that was the goal. That was the goal. And we won't go into it on this show, but ah there were there were circumstances and and a new captain that came to, i think it was the Benfold.
00:37:36
Speaker
Was it Benfold? I don't know. It was a captain that came to a boat that I went to and told me that I was going to stay and run that ER09 work center. And I said, absolutely not. I'm not.
00:37:47
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um I'm going to reenlist and be a recruiter down in Miami, Florida. No, you're not. Okay. Bye. Yeah. have a nice day You know, that was it. That was, ah we're done. We're done here.
00:37:58
Speaker
Good for you. Yeah. Good. Good for you. Yeah. but let's move on to some lighter, uh, topics here. Let's, let's get off of the military stuff. Uh, well, the one, yeah, we're going uh, the one question I have, um, it's not military related, that, uh, that marriage app, um, how did that come about?
00:38:18
Speaker
Pair. hi Yeah, I had. So I was working with a um a company. It was a it's a creator. It's a creator based company called The Plug. And the plug, the way it works is they have all these different companies that they pay plug to um to to reach out to popular creators and have them promote their stuff.
00:38:41
Speaker
So I was on the plug and I tried to do like an app. um I tried to promote another app and it didn't go well. Then I did another app and it didn't go well. I got like a couple of downloads. I got like a few bucks.
00:38:52
Speaker
and And it wasn't wasn't going well. And then somebody reached out to me and said, hey, you know, we got this new thing called paired if you want to try it. And I was like, OK, I'll try it. And then within within the like the first day, the video got like two million views organically, just two million views.
00:39:08
Speaker
And they loved it so much that they said, we want you to continue being like the paired guy. So I just pumped out video after video. And I have probably amassed, like if I were to guess, um probably over the span of all my period videos,
00:39:26
Speaker
probably like 30 million views or so on on those advertisements. You know, um it's crazy. It's nuts. um The plug, like just recently made a lot of changes to their app and paired wasn't included in those changes.
00:39:39
Speaker
So I reached out to paired people directly. And I said, Hey, listen, I want to continue doing these videos. I'm going to do it. I was going to do it regardless whether or not they were going to pay me for it. Cause I like doing the videos, they're good content and They spark a lot of interest and get me a good amount of engagement. So I, uh, I reached out to him and said, Hey, can I continue doing that? And then they sure, you know, go ahead and do that. And then the first video, the very first video I did over the course of like, maybe a week got like 4 million views. Very first video I did with them just directly 4 million views. Yeah. And then i thought I have a video, the last video I did just recently, like less than a week ago, it's, it's right now to like 300,000 views. Um,
00:40:17
Speaker
So like not every video is like you know viral, you know but it all goes into a library, you know like ah like ah a playlist. you know And then people couldn't watch all the paired videos on that. um And for nothing else, it's just entertainment. To me, those are my like those are my favorite videos that I do. you know I try to like do them like Once a week, sometimes I'll get caught up and I'll be like three or four in a week just because I love to do with them so much, you know. um But that's how I can't. That's how it came about. and You know, like right now, it's still like they're they're still like doing well with their with their advertisements. They're happy. We have a very good relationship together. So hopefully for multiple years to come.
00:40:53
Speaker
That's good. Hopefully the app continues to do well. I tried to download the app and then it asked me for money and I said I'm out. And I'll tell you, I look, I and I this is like the number one complaint that I get from people is like when they'll comment like, oh, well, it's so much money a year. This is the way the way I look because I got the premium.
00:41:14
Speaker
I got the premium version. You don't need the premium version to make the app. work, right? The app will ask you a question every day. If you want access to all the questions at once, then you pay the premium price. But but for me, for like a normal couple, just one question a day is totally fine.
00:41:30
Speaker
It works out just as well. So you can still use it for free, technically, you know. um But I, you know, just to make the content I need, I have to have the bringing in version just because I need access to like the types of questions I want to, I want to answer. Sometimes I'll scroll through for like 30, 40 minutes where I find one that i like i I feel I can click with and like, okay, this is the one, you know, but yeah, you think even for the money, can't remember how much it is. It's like 50, 60 bucks a year or something like that. And you break it all down. It's not,
00:41:57
Speaker
too incredible for you know for you know companies or for a couple that got it like that yeah you know you think think about how much money we're we're wasting every day on like fast food and shit all the time you know what i mean like guarantee you're spending at least 70 bucks a month on fast food yeah Not you necessarily, but you know, no it's probably, it's probably more than that. It's probably than That's true. And people don't, people don't, you know, it's, it's, it's about what you, it's about, but not you, not as I'm not attacking you, but it's, it's, it's what you value, right? It's yeah you, you place your priorities. You know what i mean? If you want to, if if, if that's where you find your pleasures and your happiness, then by all means, that's where you put your money. There are people that subscribe to like, you know, premium porn sites for Christ six. And, and I, I don't get why or only fans. I don't get that. I have an only fans, by the way, I wouldn't get why, but, I do. I really do Shout out to your OnlyFans page.
00:42:45
Speaker
Yeah. Shout out. Yeah. Plug, plug, well you know, Andrew Jassik. You don't have to be a finder? What the hell? Well, it's wild I'll tell you, ill I'll tell you a funny story OnlyFans thing. Oh, sorry. um But it really is, is about like what, you know, what kind of makes you happy. and And I think for, for a couple that, that kind of wants to make their relationship stronger, just like, just keep like the spark alive and stuff like that. I think, I think the money for the app for the whole year, like 50, 60, 70 bucks, whatever it is, It's totally worth it's totally worth the the price. so In my opinion. you know Where do you think those questions come up?
00:43:16
Speaker
How do you think those questions came about? They they're they're with married people and say, hey, no, they're they're um they're made. they All of these questions are are there.
00:43:28
Speaker
What's a good way to say it They're all done by accredited like marriage counselors and psychologists and stuff. Like they're all they're written they're written by like doctors and professionals in the area.
00:43:39
Speaker
So that's that's how this country. me yeah And there's not just like questions, there's like quizzes and there's games and all this other stuff that you can do. But it's all made by professionals that that feel like these questions are going to you know ah inevitably help. communication the relationship which is incredibly important i'm a communications person i'm in i'm getting my master's degree right now for communication i love it for you yeah thank you i love the idea of communication so i i i strongly support that app like thick and thin even if i never do a video for it again it's just it's ah it's a fantastic app i love it um but on to my only fans i did i did did make it i made an only fans um
00:44:16
Speaker
for the sake of a video, for a video that got taken down anyway by TikTok. You can't even say OnlyFans on TikTok. You'll get the video taken down or muted. um But I made it. It's just it's at Andrew Jassik. And I have an update. I literally made the page. I put like two pictures on there and then I never updated again. But it's just pictures of fans.
00:44:35
Speaker
you know Just OnlyFans. It's OnlyFans. Yeah, OnlyFans. Perfect. that's That's great. That's great. yeah So let's talk about... let's talk about the shirt that Let's talk about these shirts that your wife bought you. I see that you're wearing the oh they been goodness the the fitness I'll be back in just a second.
00:44:58
Speaker
i gotta got the bathroom okay So funny story. So funny story about that. This is this is this is promote. This is not not now. I mean, you know, they the shirts are mine. the The deal is done. But this is a promotion, too. This is I was shopping for a long time with this this company called.
00:45:17
Speaker
$6 shirts. And um I've, I've, I've, for years, I've loved their shirts. Just, you know, they're, they're not like the most, you know, quality driven shirts, but they're, they have some funny sayings on them and, you know, they're, they're great. So I reached out to him one day, like on, on Instagram, whatever, and said, Hey, you know, I, and I got a decent following on Tik TOK. You know, you, you think, could you, I'll do a video for you if you want to send me a couple of shirts because I just I just wanted to give him a shout out, you know. So this is one of the shirts that they they sent me. But they asked me, like, which ones do you want?
00:45:47
Speaker
Oh, this one. I want the Kool-Aid one. I want a trophy husband one. What's the Kool-Aid one? I don't I don't remember our seeing that one. The trophy husband, yeah, it's so it's it's funny. it's just It's just a picture of a trophy. It's trophy husband on it. I'll walk out. I'll get, like, laughs and stuff with it. The shirts always get, like, a little bit of attention, you know, from, like, crowds and stuff. You know, they're funny. they're little They're little niches. You know, i got that was, like, one of the two times I ever did that. I did that with this, and then I did it with this other company called Shinesty, which makes underwear they're boxer briefs but they have a a pouch for your nuts it's a ball um but i don't know if you ever tried this and you don't necessarily i'm not this is not a plug for shynessy but um because i did a video and that also got removed um because i was dancing in my underwear um and i'm sure if i was a good looking guy it probably wouldn't got removed but here's this fat fucking you know anyway um
00:46:37
Speaker
But they they sent me a bunch of of underwear, and this didn't help matters because I didn't realize that the underwear had printed on it. I just liked the idea of having this ball hammock, you know. But if you anyway, if you never had underwear like that, <unk>s I'm telling you, it's the best underwear I ever got. I love, love, love. I'm in love with this underwear. It separates the boys from the… It does. it separate It separates the boys from the man. Yeah. Okay. so It's, it's, it's, and, and, and literally you've, they, they keep, they keep everything kind of cooler. Like you don't sweat as much. It's just, it's great, you know? And I guess there's like some health benefits to it too. I don't care about all that. I'm just, I'm just happy about the way my nuts feel when I walk, especially you're fat, you know? um
00:47:15
Speaker
But the, but the prints that they have on them, they're always like sexual in nature. So they sent me like a bunch of pictures of like aliens fucking and polar bears fucking and, and, cloud So this is Shinesty.com? Shinesty. Check it out. i'm talent i you know To all your listeners, check out Shinesty. Plus, I feel really bad that my video got taken down. They never able to use you know their investments.
00:47:41
Speaker
But like since then, ive I bought more. you know On my own dime, I bought more stuff from China State. What about on Instagram? On Instagram, you could probably get away with a little bit more. because i want to say it got taken down on Instagram, too.
00:47:57
Speaker
it's and Instagram is a ah Facebook affiliate. So, mean, yeah. And, and that's the thing is, is you can definitely get away with more on Instagram, but it's definitely not free and clear. I had multiple pictures of my, uh, my wife's personal back massager, if you want to call it that.
00:48:12
Speaker
Um, But it's not shaped like anything. You know, it's it's it's one of those big fucking, those big fucking things, um you know, with the fucking ball on top. that You know what mean? Like, and, you know, it it literally could be, you know i remember like not to get too gross. I remember going to my mom's fucking, you know closet one day and finding that. and I was just like, oh, what is that? She's like, oh, it's a back massager. I'm like, fuck yeah, I need that. You know, just brrr. This is great. It goes all the way down to my butt crack. And then you didn't realize until you became a teenager and an adult. Right. if like I just put my mom's coos all over me. Um,
00:48:49
Speaker
what It's not the first time. Listen, there was a time at first. But to you know to me, it could be a massager, right? So why'd they take that down? But we we did it. we did it like And any videos that had that in it got taken out, except for one where was it like we we reversed a video where I threw it on the floor, but we reversed it. So it came back to my hands and we did it. to that west strangers yeah but you know That's like the only one that still exists. And for some reason, they never took that out. But they'll always ban videos like that. It's crazy.
00:49:20
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Well, Mark wants to talk to you about something that is very near and dear to your heart. Very near and dear Mark's heart, too, I think. It's always been near and dear to my heart. But there's actually thing want to hear his reaction All right.
00:49:40
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all right
00:49:43
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if it
00:49:49
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What we do
00:50:17
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You guys are absolutely great at what you do. You are, and we talked about this last night, and if you didn't get a chance to watch, man, Trevor Greaves full-heartedly. Trevor put you over big time. you are You are the promo master. If there was anybody to learn how to cut a promo, it is through you, Andy.
00:50:38
Speaker
I, you know, like, I i appreciate that. i I, I, it's funny because I, you know, i look and and, and not, i don't I don't like blowing smoke up my own ass. I, I've been like, ah I've done.
00:50:52
Speaker
multiple I've done much I've been so many different places you know at least in the local area with wrestling it's not even funny and promoters you know typically will say like wow you cut it like you cut a really good promo and you know you're really good at talking and um this is another thing about communication that I like um And this is why, like now that that kind of transcended my passion into competing into speech and debate. So in college, I did like speech and debate and I won every single tournament I was ever at. I won you know first place or a third or something like that. I did a like a lot of speech and debate and I had. um
00:51:27
Speaker
I had i had this like this passion to like really teach people like how to talk, how to express yourself and how to connect to people. Right. So like just recently, like maybe like a week ago, I went to SoCal Pro and did a a promo class with everybody and didn't nobody knew what it was because everybody's terrified doing promos these days. Everybody is. You know, you have great wrestlers, you don't have good promos. And if you're if you're wrestling fans. Right. And I assume we're wrestling fans. We're all wrestling fans here.
00:51:53
Speaker
um It's today's wrestling. You have great wrestling, um but you don't have a lot of people that can really talk. That's why you have people like Paul Heyman and stuff like that in the mix that can like really talk. we'll we'll get in We'll get into that part in a minute. Yeah. Okay. Well, so...
00:52:11
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I will tell you that that in order to and this is a good lesson to anybody aspiring to be a wrestler, if you ever want to be a wrestler, especially a bad guy wrestler, you have to legitimately believe in what you're saying and you have to identify with the character, not so much you're playing a part.
00:52:29
Speaker
you know i will i will say over and over again when me and trevor would go out to the curtain i legitimately hated everybody in that building you know when i go and pick on kids and i pick on you know families or you know or even the opponents i remember yeah yes and you know you know i mean like i'm i'm kind of intense um but um But in order to like really get that through, if you want to cut a good promo, you can't just go in like the typical, you know, using the same fucking lines over and over. Like I'm going to, you know, at the end of the night and when all said and done, the lights are off and, you know, nobody's home. Smoke clears. i will be. Throw clears, dust settles, you know, no water left in the pool. Lights were on, but no, you know, close, but no cigar, you know fed the fever, starved the cold, stayated stay in the sheets, ghost ride the whip.
00:53:15
Speaker
You're in there like a champ, like an animal, like a beast, like a freight train. Right now, all this shit. And um you go in there and you do that generic shit. It's just generic shit. And then you're not believable, right? Nobody connects with you.
00:53:26
Speaker
You're not, you're, you're, you're, you're just another wrestler, right? If you go in there and you call some, know, very small girl, a bitch, right? And really emphasize bitch, right?
00:53:39
Speaker
Then you got somebody's attention. Now we're starting to connect because you're not supposed to do that. even in a Even as a bad guy, you're not supposed to use that. I want to mud wrestle. I want you to mud wrestle too. You come on in. I was about to say that I wanted you to figure you know and to stop for a minute. and Melissa, yes. be Everybody wants to see that.
00:53:59
Speaker
I would very much appreciate Yes. I don't know who Melissa is, but you know God bless you. We went to school with her. Did you? Okay. you' Come on in, Melissa. I got you. As long as I can take pictures. um yeah oh I'll take different pictures. Oh, stop it. yeah Mark, you're going to get us canceled. We've been on the air for like a week. No, but but look, and and and and when when Trevor and I were working, he was always the workhorse. He was the guy doing all the moots. I was never really good at, like i can I'll say over and over again, I was never a good wrestler.
00:54:34
Speaker
I was an excellent worker because I can i can really work with the crowd. i can I can piss people off. I was good at that. You know what i mean? and And I'd make them happy when I lost. Yeah, he said that i you were you No matter what, you could never cut a bad promo he said He said that you were one of the Best ones in there, no matter You could pick anybody out in that Nobody would want to do a promo You'd jump at that, do that promo faster than shit Loved it So when it came to that I was like, okay well You have wrestlers nowadays That can't do promos very good Or you have wrestlers That, you know, they're good wrestlers but can't promo But then you got some that are That can actually do both Now, who's the most over when it comes to promos?
00:55:20
Speaker
in ryan Ryan Stones was Chris Jericho. Yes. I'd say i'd say Chris Jericho. Not that he was – honestly, and and you're going to hate this answer, but but if if if you really want to pull somebody out who's like an amazing promo and he's never really gotten a chance to really do it, um my my number one would be Jeff Jarrett.
00:55:43
Speaker
He can cut him. Yes. I'll admit that. Yes. he He's really good. If he didn't have a filter on he'd be able to cut. I mean, and I've seen him doing like live shows where he was just, just insanely good.
00:55:55
Speaker
just Yeah. Well, if you go, that's like, I was talking last night. I was like, well, you know, MJF is one of the best talkers. yeah Yeah. Yeah. Right. Well, you put him in, let's say, take him from AEW and put him in WWE. His hands are going to be cut.
00:56:12
Speaker
Yes. To where he won't be able to do as much. Now, in WWE, the best talker right now, I believe, well, the best talker that's been around for a while is the Miz.
00:56:24
Speaker
The Miz can wrestle. You know, I mean, granted from the shit that he had to go through and all. But it's like, and then another one I pulled out my ass, you know, just to see what he'd say. And that was James Storm.
00:56:37
Speaker
you know, he could talk. He can wrestle. Now, yes, MJF can't wrestle. He, you know, he talked his way into that title. i That's what I will always say.
00:56:50
Speaker
But um I just don't always ah agree with that. i mean, he he's one of the best heels in the business right now. Absolutely. Right. and And so and so then then you now now and then now you say that. Right. So so so he's he's one of the best heels in the business and he can't necessarily work as well. I think he's a bad worker. don't think he's a bad. writer No, he's just he just doesn't wrestle as much.
00:57:11
Speaker
He doesn't wrestle it as much. these And yeah yeah, I would I would I would agree with that. Right. um he's not a workhorse, but doesn't have to be. And this is what people, this is why wrestling has become very different is that the wrestling is, is great. You have people like AJ Styles and you have, you know, you have, you know, people on, you know, like your CM punks. And then, you know, you have, um, uh, Roman Reigns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you have all these people that are just, you know, like really, really good in the ring. Right. And obviously they're, you know, they're over in their own right. Right. But one's, ah you know, who's, who's the rocker.
00:57:47
Speaker
Right. Who's Stone Cold. Right. Or even Hulk Hogan. Like who's Hulk Hogan. So the closest we have right now is is probably Cody Rhodes. Right. like At least. Yes.
00:57:59
Speaker
Before that was John Cena. Was John Cena a rock or a Stone Cold? I would say no. Right. Was he a good he can cut of promo? Right. But he was. But he was. He as good as that. Right. And I think that's what's what happened with wrestling is is that we took the importance. We took so much to heart. Like it hurt our feelings for some reason when when we said, oh, well, people don't want characters anymore. So we say, we're not going to make, you know, the plumbers and the voodoo masters and we're not going to make the repo men. Right. Everybody's going to be their own organic person. And that's how they're going to get over.
00:58:30
Speaker
That's that's what started in WCW and transcended in WWF and WWE and And then everybody else just kind of followed their lead, you know, especially now in AEW. That's what you see. You see these real life people that are super over on the indie scene and that's what how they get over with their wrestling.
00:58:45
Speaker
AEW is still the second problem, right? Why? Because people don't give a shit about wrestling. The wrestling is not what's what's important. And people will say, like, I'm a wrestling fan. You don't understand what you're watching.
00:58:57
Speaker
You don't. You don't get it. What you get, what what what you're watching is the story that's developing. This thing between Roman Reigns. First of all, I fucking hate Roman Reigns. Same.
00:59:08
Speaker
you know And why? We don't hate Roman Reigns. we just Just like we didn't hate John Cena. We don't legitimately hate them. We hate the idea that WWE is pushing somebody down our throat for years that we've said we don't want. That's all it is. He's a great mid-card guy or you know fucking maybe second tier. I loved it when they made when Roman Reigns came back and he was a bad guy.
00:59:28
Speaker
I loved it when he came Right. But it was and that was, you know, and that was a little too late. Right. And and yes, he's definitely that he is definitely an incredibly overheel. Right. But if it wasn't for Paul Heyman, would be would he be as over as he is now? i'm not Not a chance. I don't think I don't think with that. I don't think with a bloodline story. I don't think he would be over neither.
00:59:48
Speaker
so exactly so he So he needs assistance. He needs help, right? yeah The Rock didn't need help. Stone Cold didn't need help. Hulk Hogan didn't need help. Even the Ultimate Warrior and his fucking buggery didn't need help. that's the Savage didn't need help. for you know if you may If you had a name for yourself, you didn't need to help. You had the you had the mic. you had the You had the ability to wrestle back in the 80s, early You need to tell a story.
01:00:10
Speaker
you know like look Look at how over Paul Heyman is and and doesn't even wrestle. He hasn't taken one fucking bump. Like, well, you know, in maybe the match. Right? he doesn't He doesn't fucking bump. doesn't have to fucking work. And he he's just as over, if not more, than Roman Reigns is, right, for being his mouthpiece. but So what are you watching? i mean You're not watching wrestling. You're not. No, you're watching the stories. You're watching the fucking stories. And the only reason that that Cody Rhodes and Roman Reigns is such a big fucking thing is because it means more than the title for Cody Rhodes. It means doing something for his father.
01:00:42
Speaker
You know what i mean? oh yeah. And, and, and, ah and, and now we have a chance. there's a possibility that Roman reigns could stifle that because now Paul Heyman got into Cody's heads head about, about how good Roman reigns is and and how his father looked down on him more favorably or whatever, the you know, whatever the case is right now. But that's how you become the champion. You're going to be on the road. 360 days yeah out of 365. Now, here you go. Here's the question that I asked Trevor last night.
01:01:09
Speaker
I was like, um, Do you believe that title should be split? Or should they just make one complete title? look First of all, the titles don't mean anything anymore. They just don't. No, not like, I mean, I don't like the i don't like the fact that WWE, you know, made the universal title. In some ways, when they put it on Brock Lesnar, made it more over than their actual ah original title. I hated that.
01:01:34
Speaker
so i really why So why did that title become more over ah ah with Brock Lesnar? Because you put Brock Lesnar with that title. So you put Brock Lesnar on there. How often Brock Lesnar defend the belt? Once a year?
01:01:46
Speaker
Every three months or so. so that So what have we done? Right. We have we have we have saturated the market, not just with WWE and AEW and TNA and ROH and everything else, but all your small time indie stuff. You go down to like Southern California, you know, from here to L.A., there's probably about 12 or 13 different promotions.
01:02:03
Speaker
Right. L.A. has become so fucking mainstream that we are shoving it down people's throats. There is not any given day out of the week that you can't catch wrestling live on TV somewhere. Right. Right. Oh, yeah my wife hates it because I i watch it just about. it' good day So but but but what I'm saying is, is that is that we went from doing four pay-per-views a year when WWE was doing their yeah thing. You know, they had their they had their special on Mondays and they had their their Saturday morning bullshit.
01:02:29
Speaker
um And then WCW came along. That's when wrestling was the most over it it had ever been. Right. And then they started introducing the Smackdowns. Right. and Then they started introducing Sunday Night Heat and all this other stuff. Right. So we started giving you more wrestling. OK, well, we have more wrestling. So now what? Now we've got to get more titles into the picture. And all of a sudden now, all of my tension has to be split between all of these things.
01:02:51
Speaker
Right. And the last thing I give a shit about, honestly, truth be told, is is a fucking title belt anywhere, especially when you're issuing a title belt to two different brands within the same company. What are we doing?
01:03:02
Speaker
I don't get it. I don't I don't like the blank. I don't like that. I did not like the asterisk idea. Yeah, I did not like the brand brand switch. You know, ah you know, sometimes I like the draft just to see where everybody went. But, you know, putting two titles. Yes, I agree. You have way too many titles for one.
01:03:21
Speaker
You do. ah And, you know, i I don't like the way that the, you know, like the tag titles. I hated it when they went to the bronze color. I hated those ones. Like big pennies.
01:03:33
Speaker
Yes. yes I wish that they'd bring back the old one.
Debate on Wrestling Titles
01:03:36
Speaker
And then, you know, you know if you're going to have the titles, if you're going have two titles, then why don't you just split them so you can have two champions?
01:03:46
Speaker
I mean, instead you're putting a a title, like, ah what was it? The... age which title aren't they using that much ah anymore? The intercontinental title, they weren't using as much for a while there. um The United States title, they just started using again.
01:04:03
Speaker
But the world title is still only being, you know, Roman Reigns shows up to ah TV maybe once every three weeks. And then fight and maybe if you're lucky, every two months, he he defends that title. right You're supposed to, and if I'm not,
01:04:22
Speaker
I am not wrong on this. You're supposed to defend that title within 30 days of ah of a defense. Sure. Each time. And that's always been the rule. Now, when they put the title on Brock Lesnar, it went from every 30 days to every, maybe every three months to maybe. ah yeah And he only showed up to TV, ah what, two days before.
01:04:47
Speaker
Listen, the man, the mind sand, ah he signed the the contract that he wanted to sign. Oh, no, no. i' I'm not saying that. Brock Lesnar was an attraction on his own. He didn't need that title.
01:04:59
Speaker
you know You have certain ones that have that, okay, put the title on them But you have some like in you know you know like Brock Lesnar, Hogan. Hogan dan doesn't need a title.
01:05:12
Speaker
he He's an attraction on his own, just not in that porno. Yeah. Mark's over here watching Hulk Hogan's porno. No, I never watched it. I just heard all about it. I watched it. I don't care. Screw y'all for judging me. I watched the whole goddamn thing. No, I've never watched that one. You're like, oh, that's Hulk Hogan's ass. I've heard the audio from it. I just never watched it.
01:05:38
Speaker
Of course. It's just you know just certain ones are you know the draws of themselves. you know John Cena, he doesn't need to come back and win the United States title. He needs to come back and put over.
01:05:51
Speaker
What what the hell is his name? Austin Theory? yeah Yeah, Austin Theory. thank you how How did you not?
01:06:02
Speaker
I don't know. his my I was talking so fast I forgot his name. um He needs to put him over. Who is well look at it's look and and I will and I will say that if see the the reason you always have like your big attractions wearing the belts and all that is because you want you're not doing it to emphasize the person wearing it. You're doing it to emphasize the belt.
01:06:27
Speaker
Right. So that's why you would have a Brock Lesnar have that belt. That's why you'd have a Roman Reigns wear that belt. You know, you have you have people that you want to have represent the company be that champion.
01:06:39
Speaker
That's why Hulk Hogan, aside from all of his inner politicking, right was always the face of the company because he was always the champion and vice versa. He he always grew with the audience no matter what. you know he when he think he well well well think let me Let me ask you this. when at at At what point did Hogan have a match that wasn't for a title, whether he was a champion or not? Because it doesn't matter if if if you if you're currently wearing the title into the match.
01:07:06
Speaker
Right? But think about anything, right, that that has a good memory of it, right, that didn't involve a title that you finally remember Hulk Hogan for. And I will i will say his the the gimmick with Undertaker when when he said he stung him on his head at, what is it, this Tuesday in Texas? ah you eat Tuesday in Texas, yes.
01:07:26
Speaker
but that was But we remember that for different reasons, right? So that's not that, right? So what else? ah you got Well, no, the only time that I ever remember seeing not fighting for a title would be in Impact Wrestling when he faced Sting.
Championship Chases in Wrestling
01:07:39
Speaker
we're we're trying but that's That's like, that's not Hulk Hogan anymore. We're talking about right real Hulk Hogan. No, I don't remember a time that he was fighting without a title. And that's why. Because Hulk Hogan on his own wasn't enough.
01:07:53
Speaker
so wouldnt mean i title you know He needs that title picture. He needs to be fighting. And and and always like the the matches you always remember is when he's going for the title, not when he's defending it. Because that's the story we play in wrestling.
01:08:04
Speaker
That's why you always have like, look, yeah I'll bet my bottom dollar on it. Cody Rhodes is going to win at Mania. right? We know Cody Rose is going to win at Mania. well like ah were We're smart marks and we know he's going win at Mania. This is the story that has been played out in wrestling for 30 plus years. It is the never ending chase from the good guy that finally gets his big moment on the grandest stage of them all. So I'll bring him back. Okay. Well, hold hold on. a Right.
01:08:29
Speaker
But okay. If we're going to go that route, so what is it going to be Sammy Zane and ah Kevin Owens versus the Usos then? Because they're still talking about, uh,
01:08:40
Speaker
you know Roman Reigns doing two two matches, one one night, one the next. One with Sami, one with ah Cody. i I couldn't tell you. I don't know. because that would be look at that and that Honestly, that's a second that's it that's ah that's a second thought. because you think about like dove If you were in WWE, knowing the people that run WWE, do you want Sami Zayn as a champion?
01:09:00
Speaker
I would. I know you would. He's not a face of... Like Trevor said yesterday, he's a B-plus player. like like trevor said yesterday he's a b plus player He is.
01:09:12
Speaker
Yes. It's not the look that they want to have. He is not. He's not a WWE guy. But Cody is. Well, no. Cody's not either. And I will tell you this. Look, and I'll be honest with you. I hate wrestling. I don't hate wrestling. I love wrestling.
01:09:29
Speaker
I hate what wrestling has become. right So I don't watch the product anymore. So even not watching the product anymore, I'll tell you this with wrestling. 100% certainty.
01:09:40
Speaker
Cody's going to lose the belt within three pay-per-views. 100%. He'll lose the belt within three pay-per-views. Because a story is not good with Cody as a champion. The story is only good when when Cody is chasing the championship. Right. And when he catches him, it's good for a certain amount of time. And then he has to lose it. And normally it's back to the champion, the former champion. always And and so it's this recycled thing. It's like we were talking about earlier with like all our jokes kind of being and recycled from like married children and all that. It's the same exact thing. Except different players.
01:10:09
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And I can't think of, you know, with AEW, you know, AEW to me, they don't have, they don't really have any good, good stories going.
01:10:21
Speaker
I mean, so honestly it's always the same thing every time with MJF. Anytime he wants somebody wants a match, they have to go through hoops to get to him. You're going to fight. You're going fight 10 people before you get that. Well, right.
01:10:35
Speaker
And sometimes that that does get, you know, boring to watch. so Unless they can come up creative, or you know, if they can get creative on it. Because because if you're, and i I'll be honest with you, if you're a fan of w WWE, a regular fan of WWE, and I would assume you are, right? I'm a fan of all wrestling.
01:10:51
Speaker
Okay, well, that that's great. It's not typical to be a ah like a hardcore fan of WWE and a hardcore fan of AEW. It's just, it's
Wrestling Rings and Performance
01:10:59
Speaker
it's not, right? Because it's two different things. I grew up, but you know, I went to WrestleMania 3. That was my very first event. And, you know, that was one of the, I grew up on that. And then my cousins introduced me to NWA and WCW. And, you know, and then I started watching WCCW. And yeah, i've I've watched all different types, New Japan, ROH. And I i caught your, you know, I caught SoCal online.
01:11:33
Speaker
yeah And I was watching that today. And then, you know, I was like, okay, well, know, the i asked brian i said what size uh ring do you guys have because you know it's a lot smaller and i was going to ask you that um and the one thing that i didn't understand and maybe you might be able to help me with you know in other organizations and stuff the ropes are tighter why aren't the ropes as tight you know because the guy almost fell off of them you know trying to get up and he almost fell off
01:12:06
Speaker
it It depends. So, so the rope. So first of all, there's different types of ropes, right? If you watch WWE, they use actual real nylon rope. That's, that's type of rope they use, right? That's old school wrestling. And, and it's so funky. And I think Jim Cornette even mentioned it once is that they'll change everything in the fucking world. You know, they'll change their sets. They'll change the way they produce things and all that.
01:12:28
Speaker
They'll always go back to those ropes because that's the, that they they've always done on that way. Right. Um, So if you watch like indie wrestling, depending on what indie wrestling you watch, but most indie wrestling will will have the new form cables. That's what AEW uses. They use cables. I think they cables.
01:12:44
Speaker
um It's the aircraft cables um with nothing more than like garden hose and tape on top of them. I remember those days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that. That's what it is. Now it wasn't done very well at Saw, but yeah, but it's the same. It's the same premise. Right. Anyway. So um ropes typically right to tighten them.
01:13:02
Speaker
Right. As much as WWE does. Right. Or even AEW does because they're they're moving shows. They do a show, do house shows and they do their regular shows. They're probably using that ring three, four five times a week. Yeah.
01:13:15
Speaker
it puts a lot of wear and tear on ropes, lot of weight, especially on nylon. So if you do it like with real ropes, i mean, you'll stretch those things out within like a couple months. You'll to get new ones. And ropes, whether you're using the cables or using the nylon ropes, are very, very expensive. So I would say that's probably the main reason why you don't see them quite as tight as they do in like WWE and AE.
01:13:39
Speaker
That and that plus, you know, it's not like Unlike those things, a lot of indie shows don't have all those moves where people are like jumping on top of the top rope and going to the outside and They need that like really strong bounce.
01:13:53
Speaker
Right. It's just they're kind of like more or less for show. If you watch like old school wrestling, those ropes were droopy as shit. Just droopy. Right. Because nobody we did that stuff. you know Now everybody's doing this shit. Fucking crazy. Everybody wants to
Substance Abuse and Wrestling Pressures
01:14:04
Speaker
get on top of it now. Hey, everybody. does Well, and then, and then nobody knows how to fucking do a goddamn headlock or sell properly or cut a promo.
01:14:10
Speaker
It's just weird. Right. No, i that was the basics. That was the basics. Normally that's the basics, what you learn how to do first. And then, you know, you go from there. Now, uh, the promotion that you're, you're in, uh, SoCal right now, um, that you're, you know, you're announcing for, uh, you had hooten toot Carrero on there.
01:14:30
Speaker
yeah ah the last one. Now it's interesting that, you know, he's still doing Indies and I figured he would be, you know, with somebody different, but when is that, when's the rematch? I forgot.
01:14:45
Speaker
I don't know. It's not going to take place in SoCal Pro. It's going take place in Mexico city. So I think SoCal Pro worked out a deal with Mexico city. I think he has, he either has like tie-ins with that promotion or he owns a promotion. I'm not sure what, cause I don't, I just work there. I'm not like much of anybody there, you know,
01:15:00
Speaker
um But I'm relatively sure they're just doing something in Mexico City. They already had Judez, who was his opponent at SoCal Pro. They already had him work against Whovie in Mexico City, and Judez came under.
01:15:10
Speaker
So I think they want to do the right thing and put him over at SoCal Pro, and then he'll probably go back to Mexico City and again and then do the favors. you know um But I'm not sure when that is. you know But there's going to be – I think there's going to be, from what I understand, there's going lot of SoCal Pro represented in Mexico very soon.
01:15:26
Speaker
They worked out a deal. where they're yeah because it was a it was a good um it was a good you know what i watched a bit you know the matches were good um it normally you know with indies you see a lot of uh you know a lot of stuff that you don't see know like you would you in wwe or aew but then in this case they didn't go you know completely out of their way to try to impress everybody all over they were actually just trying to wrestle and which was was happy about Yeah, so am I. Who is, you know, is is as as good as he is, as talented as he is. He's, you know, he's Jesus. He's got to be pushing 50 at this point. Right. He's he's an older guy.
01:16:08
Speaker
yeah All the organizations that I ever knew about him, you know, they always said that he had problems with his mouth and stuff. And I heard that. Yeah. I heard that i because I was, I had a little bit of trepidation because this iss the first time I was ever on a show with Whovie.
01:16:21
Speaker
Um, I talked to backstage he was like really, he was great with all the, all the boys. And he actually came by, he actually ah like the night before or two nights before he did his, he did like a free seminar over at the school. Um, taught a bunch of guys, some things. And his only thing is I, after the match, he, he went on the, he went on the mic and, and said the F bomb like three times and he probably shouldn't have done that, but I think he was just excited.
01:16:42
Speaker
Um, But no, I never had a problem. I never see. I never I didn't experience any of that. You know, we did promos with him where we had to fuck up and redo it. And he was just like he was laughing at us. And, you know, he had a great time. but Everybody had a good time with him. So, no, I never I didn't have any issues with him. I would imagine. Right. As a lot of wrestlers do, probably came certain to a little bit of if I were just to just take guess. Right. Substance abuse, whether that be alcohol or drugs or whatever
Wrestling Personas and Legacy
01:17:07
Speaker
the case is. And they probably got the best of them at certain points.
01:17:10
Speaker
That happens. You know, you're you're talking about, you know, we we take a lot of this stuff for granted when we watch this stuff on TV, you know week after week after week. We're not thinking about all the house shows we're doing in between. Oh, I know what they do. You know, it's worse in the military. You know, you don't see your family. You're always on the road. You're in planes and you're in hotels and you got to get three hours of sleep and then wake up and do the next one.
01:17:30
Speaker
um So, you know, a lot of these guys, you know, it's it's traveling circus for Christ's sake. And, and, and some of these people will fall victim to that. And, and it happens, unfortunately. So I'd imagine that's probably why, cause I've seen like videos of him, like an XPW and stuff when he was just like, you know, it appeared to be ballooned off his tits, you know? um But I I'd imagine that's just, that's just kind of the, the it's, it's the repercussions of, of being in this business as, as popular. and subject Yeah. Some of them, you know, some of them can't leave the business behind because one, they didn't save enough money to, they can't just, they, they just love it so much that they just can't do it. Yeah. You know, like, like Ric Flair,
01:18:12
Speaker
Ric Flair. Man, but you know what? Look, and and I know he gets a lot of shit for that last match, and I know he was. Yeah, his last match, and i I understand what he was trying to do. Yeah. Try to still go after, you know, almost dying and all that and trying to prove, but you know what, dude?
01:18:26
Speaker
You got to stop because you're going die in that ring otherwise. And I, I don't to be okay with that. There was a, there was a movie. That's exactly what I said, wasn't it? I think he would, he'd be okay to die. That's that, you know, I'm sure that's how he'd like to go. There was a, um, there's an old, old movie, like eighties, maybe even the seventies movie called tap.
01:18:44
Speaker
Um, and, uh, this, this is about this famous tap player or whatever, who had like health problems. And, um, And he he said in the line, he he said a line in the movie where they said, you got to stop doing this or you're going to die. He said, if I'm going to die, I'm going to have my tap shoes on.
01:18:57
Speaker
um At the end of the movie, the the wrestler is is a great example of that with with Mickey Rourke. At the very end, when he jumps off the the top rope and we know he's having a heart attack, we don't see what's happening. Well, ah well actually, yeah, well, that one's up to interpretation, though.
01:19:11
Speaker
You think about it? Well, I mean, yes. No, yeah. i not unless you read the If you read the book, it's different. But the movie, they leave it up interpretation. Doesn't mean that he died at the end. Doesn't mean that he had the heart attack. It just means he flew off. He was having problems. But you don't know. It was just loud or he like that. Oh, he did.
01:19:28
Speaker
Oh, he did. Yeah. i did i would say blow no no i' just did But yes, I think I think it does leave it up to interpretation. But I i do think there was a you know, there is a there's a subliminal thing there. and And I'm pretty sure that that we're we're supposed to believe that that that was the last movie he ever did. And and and in a way we were kind of happy for him that that happened.
01:19:50
Speaker
Right. And that's, that's with how the movie made us feel. And, and in the case of Ric Flair, you know, if, if he went, you know, doing what he absolutely loved to do, even if people are shitting on it, right. He would, he'd still, I think he'd still die happy. That's his whole life is owed to wrestling. That's his whole life. You know, think about how many like relationships and and stuff he's sabotaged for the sake of the business, you know, well his daughter said it himself, you know, after his son passed away that, um,
01:20:19
Speaker
you know The only way that he got made it through it is he he has two personas. He has the Ric Flair and he has the Richard Flair. Right. And he lives and he lives the Ric Flair persona to the T every day.
01:20:35
Speaker
and And look, and I will tell you that that it goes back to what I was saying before about like the way you cut promos, where you want to be a good heel or whatever, the key even at face, right? The way you do it is you you have to really believe in that character. you have to become that character. And he has embodied that character. That's why he's so goddamn good.
01:20:51
Speaker
That's you know not necessarily his last match, but that's why he's so good. that's why he's good at promos. That's why he's good at working and all that is because he truly believes in Ric Flair.
Wrestling Icons Through Eras
01:21:02
Speaker
Right.
01:21:03
Speaker
Which is great. You know, you want to say, like you know, truth be told, like, you know, all over, like all around worker, you know, you get you get a lot of praise to like Hulk Hogan, The Rock and Stone Cold and everything. Ric Flair, bar none, is the absolute best worker of all time.
01:21:18
Speaker
I will I will say that unequivocally. All right, now listen, this show was about Andy, not about w WWE and Ric Flair. Hold on. no no see I can go on for hours. I love that. Now, this is the question that I i did ask ah ah Trevor yesterday. And, okay, we we talk about, the you know, the best of all time or, you know, the Mount rush mouth Rushmore. Mount Rushmore.
01:21:43
Speaker
Your Mount Rushmore. Okay, now here's here's the whole thing. i i told I told Trevor yesterday, I don't believe in Mount Orange Orange. I believe in errors. sure i don't think I don't think that there is a best of all time because of the fact that there's so many and there you know it's an error in which they're in. I believe that that's what it should be considered. you know yeah and i say And I use basketball as a reference to that because you know they have the debate that's going on now about you know LeBron and you know Jordan.
01:22:16
Speaker
Yeah. And then, you know, i said, OK, you could throw Kobe in there and that just, you know, throws in the midst. I don't like any of them, but, you know, that's the point. um But you you talk about um wrestlers, you know, I say it's by error because and then then you got other people that say that, you know, like Chris Jericho, he says he named his four and he said he's not on there. He doesn't believe he's one of the Mount Rushmore's, but he he's he's damn good.
01:22:43
Speaker
But he doesn't he he believes in himself, but not enough to put himself out there like that. Yeah. So that question that Mark's asking you is, who are your four?
01:22:54
Speaker
Do you do it by the the decades? or do you Yeah, I would say, i mean, it would be fair, right? so And I was ah i was an 80s baby. So um if you were just talking like the eighty s
01:23:09
Speaker
I mean, you have to I think, you know, it'd be stupid as much as you know it's played out, but it'd it'd be stupid not to give a spot to Hogan on on as far as the 80s go. He made I think he's the reason the 80s were successful um outside of him in that time.
01:23:26
Speaker
Probably Andre was another one that I would that I would I would put out there. Not, you know, and anybody that knows about Andre before, like his, his one single heel run with Hogan, you know, he was like one of the most over faces in the frigging world. yeah one So I would, I would definitely throw, i definitely throw Andre out there.
01:23:49
Speaker
I, I hate to say this too, but I think the warrior deserves a spot in there too, warrior you know, and we're talking like when we're docked now, like break it all down, like by how good the wrestler Yeah. yeah You know, no,
01:24:00
Speaker
But you're talking about like as far as the worker goes, you know, he doesn't get enough credit. I think he was just absolutely 100% amazing. This ball of intensity that really made.
01:24:11
Speaker
His matches didn't last long. and more that he was The more longer his matches went, the more gassed he did get. Yeah, of course. Of course. you know But like again, you know we're talking to like – But his character was made to be.
01:24:24
Speaker
We are not watching wrestling. We're not. We have to – just between us, right? we are We have all fallen for this fake thing. It's not real. It's not what watching. We're not watching wrestling. We're watching the soap opera. bro Right. but It's a man's soap opera is what my wife tells me. It told me how it did is is. It is. you know it totally is. you know you know Women have all their their stuff, their reality TV shows and all that crap. and you know We have you know Hot Wheels and wrestling and and Star Wars and shit. now and that's That's our thing. you know
01:24:55
Speaker
um i' see I don't know. us see The last one i mean the last one i put in like that era...
01:25:10
Speaker
I don't know. i don't know. to to me, those are like, those would be the only ones that I would say were like, that would be deserving of being recognized as like the greats during that time. Unless you want to know Jake the snake.
01:25:23
Speaker
No. And, and, and, and, and there's ah there's a reason I don't put Jake the snake in there. And and I think, cause Jake the snake is, is a phenomenal, um, wrestler. Um, I don't – and I think he can cut um a mean promo.
01:25:36
Speaker
um I definitely don't think he was one of the greatest of all time. Just like, you know, I put him in the same – as sad as it is, I put him in the same league as like Hacksaw. You know, I just – What about Savage? That's just my opinion, you know. But I love Jake. I think he's phenomenal. What about Savage? You can throw Rick – oh, no, because I would say – I was going save that for era. Okay.
01:25:59
Speaker
but okay right hilar yeah you know You could even go there. You could i mean you you don't even have to go from w w and you know you had yeah know and and I was guy. and and Granted, there was greats in and smoky mountain and and all these these these phenomenal companies aw a um um But I was just I always grew up as like a WWE type guy. The 90s are a little bit easier because i I feel that was like to me, that was the best decade in wrestling. And, you know, it boomed in the 80s, but it really it really took off in the 90s. And I think that's that's where it goes. So definitely Savage would be in the 90s.
01:26:38
Speaker
um Your second the second one is is my absolute favorite wrestler of all time. That's Kurt Henning. And I think it's, you know, as the Mr. Perfect character yeah was just absolutely phenomenal. and He didn't get what he did what he deserved. He needed he I think ah letting him have a title run would have been really good for him.
01:26:58
Speaker
but probably put more up his nose, but you know, well again, it's, it's this, you know, he, he, he got a title run in the type of matches he was having. just he was a great worker and a great wrestler and that, right. He was continental, you know, right. He, he, he wore that belt. Perfect. He was a good workhorse for that title. He was. Yeah, absolutely. My, my absolute favorite matches is with him and Brett Hart at SummerSlam. Oh yes.
01:27:22
Speaker
Yes. That's one of my favorites. It's that my absolute favorite. I think that, that blows out, um, uh, No one was the steamboat and and macho man at mania three. No, no one would, uh, handing it was going through at that time, with his back and everything. Yeah. Yeah. yeah i agree Yeah. And it was an, it was incredible, incredible match. Um, Shawn Michaels for sure isn't, isn't the, isn't the nineties.
01:27:45
Speaker
Um, and then it'd be like a tie between like stone cold and the rock. I would say stone cold was, was, was definitely better than the rock. um ah wonder know what's been around He's been around the block when he was stunning Steve.
01:27:59
Speaker
Was it stunning Steve Austin or stunning Steve Williams? Yeah. And that was the Hollywood block. Him and Brian Pillman, man. Holy cow, dude. I met – hey, Brian Pillman was – probably one of my all-time favorite wrestlers. I loved it when he went nuts. That's when he started. I liked a lot. It sucks, too, because right after that, it's when everything went south. Obviously, he had his injury, and then the tragedy happened afterwards. That was a bummer about Pillman. Pillman was just an amazing worker. Yeah, absolutely.
01:28:30
Speaker
But again, it what's wrong comes from this this era of like wc w or, you know, former NWA talent that was just great. So, you you know, you have your you know, you have your Brian Pillman's and then you have your Ric Flair's and you have like the the four horsemen. And then you had ah Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit.
01:28:48
Speaker
um all these people that were just phenomenal um that I never really cared to watch because I was never about like watching like really good technical matches. I think Bret Hart, for example, is probably the best, well, maybe the second best technical wrestler in the, in the world, at least for his time. And I never gave a shit about it. We wanted the story.
01:29:12
Speaker
We wanted the story. We did. We did. And he couldn't he couldn't deliver the story, right? He just couldn't cut a promo. he I never had investment in any of his matches. I remember, like the and this is something good about Jake, and it wasn't even Jake. It was Earthquake at the time that really carried the story was when Earthquake sat on his snake.
01:29:30
Speaker
Oh, yes. And I remember he was under the bag and crying. Yes. And I and I and I that was like probably one of my first experiences watching wrestling. And I said, I really want to see Jake Snake Roberts kick Earthquake's ass. Oh, absolutely. yeah And that's that's that story. And and really the best thing, you know, going back to Bret Hart and I hate talking about other people, but going back to Bret Hart, the best thing that could have ever happened to him in hindsight is the Montreal Screwjob.
01:29:55
Speaker
that's a That's what made him famous. It wasn't this Canadian hero shit that he does or whatever. It's it's it's a Canadian screwjob that or that the Montreal screwjob that really kind of set him. McMahon started that story for him.
01:30:06
Speaker
Yeah. And by the way, listen, and and I might, you know, I know I i know i'm not alone in these feelings, but I'm definitely the minority. I still think the whole thing is a fucking 100 percent. It could it could be.
01:30:17
Speaker
It really could. i do. You think the whole thing was at work the whole time? Look, look, look, look. When you lay out all the pieces, never in wrestling before or since has everything been mapped out so incredibly perfectly to to cause that cause that story to happen.
01:30:33
Speaker
Nothing. Nothing. You know, you can talk about school jobs all day long. You talk about the moolah thing and all this other stuff. Nothing. yeah Nothing has happened. Nothing. And it's just too much of a coincidence.
01:30:47
Speaker
I mean, be yeah, you could, it, i mean, ah that's what a lot of people have said, you know, it could be a work, you know when it come, you know, when he came back to the WWE, which I'd never would have anyways, you know, knowing what happened to his brother. And if, you know, something like that, you've you know, I got screwed out of a job and you know, all this, and I'd never would have went back myself. No, you look at for for somebody as prideful as he is.
01:31:13
Speaker
Right. At least seemingly prideful as he is. You know, do you think he would just come back because Vince McMahon called him in the hospital and said, I'm sorry? You know, not a chance. Money talks, money talks, though. would not I would I would say I would disagree for someone like Brett who cares more about his public image.
01:31:30
Speaker
You know, you go to any anything you ever see with Brett Horton, his house is just it's a shrine of Brett. That's what he cares about. He cares about his own self-image. I'm alone in this. okay I know many people who who have affiliated with Bret Hart and and have a relationship with Bret Hart.
01:31:45
Speaker
Listen, I do not represent my friends, so please don't take it out on them. um But i i will say I will say the pieces were too well fit to make him leave in such a way that it worked out great for everybody had WCW done a little bit more work with the circumstance they were given.
01:32:07
Speaker
Right. So and and we'll say all them. And this is another thing, too, is that Brett will go on and say how much of an idiot Eric Bischoff was. And and Brett Hart did not put the fucking work in to make himself over.
01:32:18
Speaker
The only time he was ever over is when WWF put him in positions to be over. And even then he wasn't over. The most over-heat ever. They didn't want him. He came in white hot, and they and and everybody fucked it up. They they didn't want him as champion. they needed ah They needed a smaller guy at that point in time to be champion.
01:32:36
Speaker
With WCW or WWF? No, WWE or WWF at the time. So Bret Hart walked into to Mania 9. That was my first Mania. It was Mania 9. Walked into Mania 9, lost the belt to Yoko, who immediately dropped it to Bret. Or dropped it to Hogan. Dropped it to Hogan. Well, after that, after that, when Flair, you know, when Flair lost it to Brett, they needed somebody at that point in time to take over that wasn't muscular because, you know, that was when they were going through this part of the steroids. So that they chose Brett.
01:33:07
Speaker
Well, but so so yes, and Bret Hart was great for that image. Great for this whole thing as, you know, not blah, blah, blah. And once that was all done, that was in like, what, 90, late 92, 93, whatever the case is. yeah And once that was over, they cast him aside. They didn't need him.
01:33:22
Speaker
He wasn't a good champion. He didn't drop him. Yeah, when Hogan came back and, you know, okay, I'm going to do this. And then, you know, you're supposed to
Perceptions of Wrestling Eras
01:33:30
Speaker
drop it to me. And he doesn't do that. and you know, we already knew how Hogan was. Okay.
01:33:35
Speaker
Now. right. we're We're not going to go any further on the Mount Rushmore. Sorry. yeah No, no. i can talk all day. I'm passionate. as much as i hate As much as I hate what wrestling has become, I'm very passionate about this topic. Oh, I love wrestling. I love all different types of wrestling. I i really do. I love watching you know New Japan. I like watching the luchadors. I really love watching the luchadors, especially the flips and shit yeah yeah stuff that they do. Yeah.
01:34:01
Speaker
Am I going to have to swear? No, no, no, no. We're we're we're good. Mark's playing PG-13 right now. I think we may have said shit, fuck, or hell one too many times. I don't know. I'm i'm so used to saying. thought by name, I was just like, okay, this is this is an all-out. It is all-out. Here's the question I have, though.
01:34:24
Speaker
What is the best storyline you've ever that's ever been told wrestling? Montreal Screwjob. ah ah Other than that, the best work ever in wrestling.
01:34:36
Speaker
Um,
01:34:42
Speaker
shoot. i don't know, man. There's, I mean, there's, there's, there's been some, there's been some really good ones. Um,
01:34:51
Speaker
you got to think about the longest. she in that Well, see, here's the, here's the problem with that though. I mean, you can say, you know, you could say, uh people it's the nwo for me people thinking that steve was turning yeah um all right got it randy sta or randy savage and hogan or you know stuff like that no i i got it i got it 100 i got it it was it was the the mankind face turn with his vignettes with jim ross it's the best line they ever did
01:35:24
Speaker
Like it was, it was, it was the, cause, cause you think about Stone Cold, right. And I don't care what they say. They, I don't think they intended for Stone Cold to turn face when he did. I don't think, no I think that and you can tell like, and they won't even, they won't even show it. But I remember watching like the next night on raw when he came out and you can tell he was coached in this. He came out and said, you know, you guys are cheering me, but I don't care. Cause none of you helped me got
Wrestler Popularity and Storytelling
01:35:47
Speaker
to where I am. The block cut a total heel promo crapped all over the crowd and said, you know, no, blah, blah, blah.
01:35:52
Speaker
The Rock was over. So Stone Cold was over organically. It wasn't due to storyline. The Rock was over organically, due to not due to storyline. It was just he was just organically there. right Mick Foley was brought out from a storyline to give sympathy towards somebody. And somebody who turns on good old JR and gives him the you know gives him the mandible claw at the end of this many weeks of segments of interviews.
01:36:19
Speaker
Because people... Resignate with this character who has lost his mind simply because he couldn't be who he wanted to be. it It touches everybody because every wrestling fan in the world, i don't care. There's nobody that no hardcore wrestling fan that I know of that isn't at least some sort, at least progressed out of or still is the world's biggest nerd.
01:36:43
Speaker
You know what i mean? The people that like this, I'm sorry. I know. That's what saying. You know what I mean? The people that like this activity, if you go to like live shows and stuff, you know what mean? They're all wearing the shirts and they got their their replica belts. And, you know, back in my back at my day, you know, they had signs. um these are These are the people that that watch wrestling. and And more than likely, these are people that are not the jocks and the stars and the most popular kids at school. Right.
01:37:11
Speaker
That's who McFully is. Right. and And we went from somebody who was just beating the devil out of the Undertaker a few months prior. Right. To telling this story about somebody who he really wanted to be.
01:37:22
Speaker
and And at the end of it, turning on J.R. and still coming out as one of the biggest faces in the entire company. And he didn't even do anything spectacular in wrestling. Awful wrestler.
01:37:34
Speaker
Just awful wrestler. But just. Sacco.
01:37:38
Speaker
mracco So look, and and i and and and again, I don't think this this isn't this isn't this is organic too. This wasn't due to storyline. don't think they intended on Mr. Sacco being as over as it was, right? no but that was awesome though. But it was fantastic. And and really and i'll tell you I'll tell you what made that whole segment with that. It wasn't, it it was Mr. Sacco obviously that that kind of came over on that, but it wasn't that, it was Vince.
01:38:02
Speaker
because And I'll tell you, there's there's a part in there. where he's just like, mi please, please leave, please leave. at the hospital you know And then they they break out the balloons or whatever, and he looks and he goes, damn it, leave. what's It was the most magical moment when when you just like look at it and like you can just see, just like it's it's it's almost you know you guys have kids. it's It's like this time with the kids. It's like, guys, come on, come on, get the Go to bed.
01:38:31
Speaker
yeah Go to bed already. yeah you know um it's it's It's like that. And it was it was just great. It's like, damn it, leave. um Just watch back the video. It's my favorite part of the whole thing. Yeah. Urple and everything else. but but i But I will say that I do think those vignettes, that storyline with with Mick Foley, turning him into a face really was probably at least – that immediately sparked in my mind is like one of the, one of the greatest things they ever did in wrestling.
01:38:58
Speaker
I love best field, our best field. and did Feud. Feud. What is the best feud you think? butoo Okay. I would say, um,
01:39:12
Speaker
The absolute, so it was, it was, I think it's, it's sparked up. So my favorite absolute feud ever in wrestling was Shawn Michaels and Rick Martell. um And that was, and oh shery very sure she yeah and and I'll tell you what, what made it so great was it was, it's the only match that I know of and in recent memory, anything that kind of comes to mind that stands out as the first like bad guy on bad guy match.
01:39:37
Speaker
yeah and Because the storyline going into that, right? And if you remember the storyline going into that was they were both so good looking that Sherry made them agree to not punch each other in the face.
01:39:48
Speaker
So they wouldn't hurt their face. and And I remember watching this with such like angst. and I was just like, who's going to who's going to do it? Who's going who's going to punch you in the face? And it was great when they with the this whole thing where, you know, you watch it and didn't care who won. You know what i mean? like You watch back that match at SummerSlam and you're watching it like you just want to see them beat the crap out of each other. And you don't care who does what. As long as Sherry, you know, ends up getting crapped on in the end. And of course, we you know, we got that.
01:40:15
Speaker
um But to me, that's my that's my absolute like favorite feud. Other than that, like seriousness, um one that would stand out behind was Hulk Hogan and Sergeant Slaughter leading up to Mania Sepp. Seven, right? Yeah. Actually, my but my favorite my favorite feud of all time would be Jerry Lawler versus Kerry Von Erich.
01:40:40
Speaker
Okay, so we're talking like old school. Yeah, I'm not talking. I'm just talking all together. That was one of my favorite because they got down and bloody in those matches. I can't wait for that movie. I hope that they do it right.
01:40:54
Speaker
and that movie i hope that they do it right Well, I loved i love Jerry Lawler's stuff with Andy Kaufman. I was always – Oh, yes. Everybody loved him. Yes. Well, before the movie. I think the movie, like, really kind of crapped the bed when it when it came to, like, telling the story of Andy Kaufman. Absolutely.
01:41:09
Speaker
But I loved, like, watching old school stuff with Jerry Lawler Andy Kaufman. It was just so well done. Back then, the wrestling was a lot different. they They could tell a story. Even in the ring, they told the story, not just need outside the ring.
01:41:24
Speaker
yeah It
Impact of Societal Changes on Wrestling
01:41:25
Speaker
was believable. so so look and and and this is and and I promise, i won't I won't talk too much about other people, but I but i will say this about wrestling. right With the way society has changed, right we went from the Attitude Era where nobody gave a crap about anything to this eg shit whatever this whatever this is we're in now.
01:41:40
Speaker
and We're we're kind of starting to kind of like maybe dip in a little bit, but it does not not remotely it's never going to go back. We're never going to go back to the Attitude Era. We're never going to have that. No, no we're never to have that again.
01:41:51
Speaker
um But i I will say that that wrestling has become, um in my opinion, fundamentally worse because people are so prudent to the fact now that it's that's all a ruse, right? When Kaufman and Waller were doing their thing, people were legitimately pissed off and they thought it was real because of the things that Andy Kaufman was saying about women and the South, right?
01:42:16
Speaker
You can't get away with that now. There was there was a and I can't remember who it was. There was a worker in, um was it AWA? Back in like late 80s, early ninety s I remember watching these shows. And this guy would come in and would not work a match if there was a black referee.
01:42:32
Speaker
was like, that's good heat. It's really good heat. He was one of the Southern men in AWA. He hated he he was always had a, a competitor flag. I know who you're talking about. I don't know his name, but I know you're talking about. I don't remember his either, but I remember like thinking like, God, that's, what that's, that's, that's really mean. You can't do that now.
01:42:51
Speaker
You know what I Like one of my favorite things to do in wrestling is, you know, I'd go out and, you know, I was, I would, I would often push that envelope and and be racist and, you know, pick on like, you know, black people or Latino people or whatever the case is. And that's why we, we would get over really well with like Lucha shows. We'd be through like tortillas at the audience and, and, You know, say a whole bunch of like mean racist stuff.
01:43:11
Speaker
um and And everybody's so afraid to do that now. You know, if I was in shape and and younger, right, I would go back and i I totally still try to push that envelope. You want and we were talking about MJF. MJF still pushes that envelope.
01:43:24
Speaker
and And he doesn't always do it on TV, right? But if you watch fan cams stuff like that, he's swearing up a storm and he's saying all this racist stuff. and and He's trying to keep K-Fave. He's trying to keep it.
01:43:36
Speaker
Yeah. and Trying to blur that line when it's good. like know A lot of wrestlers don't do it no more. They don't keep that. And that's the thing that we can't. We're so we're so afraid of getting canceled. Social media. Society has become so, so soft. And and it's unfortunate because because that's why people aren't as over as they used to be, whether you be a heel or a face.
Humor and Entertainment in Wrestling
01:43:56
Speaker
You know i mean? The faces aren't over anymore because the heels aren't as mean as they could be. right right and so yeah that's the that' that's so well here's Here's another question. um if you You never had a you never had a ah retirement match, have you? we had so we You had your farewell match. You had a farewell match together as Anchor Away.
01:44:22
Speaker
right you had your faith but and You guys never wrestled after that. i mean He said that you guys probably did a thing here or there or whatever. but If you could, If your body would allow you, would would you like to go one one more time?
01:44:36
Speaker
Yeah, if if it was ah if it was a one more time thing, right? With Ric Flair. yeah I'm just kidding, I'm kidding. One more match. yeah um If it was a if it if it was a one more time thing, um you know, and the circumstances were right, right? I'll send Brian back over to California. I'm a jobber, bud. What do you want from me?
01:44:59
Speaker
I don't know. I don't think I've ever worked with Brian, but I know i i had i know I squashed him one time and and he was a he was a referee in a corner. I ran into him. I remember that. um That was the Ocean Beach Fair, um I think.
01:45:13
Speaker
ah Oh, no, you I got a receipt from you because I I almost clotheslined you while you were on the second rope. And you almost went out. yeah yeah yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he says, he pulls me to the middle of the ring and he says, here's your receipt.
01:45:32
Speaker
And I get i get this the pop right in the right in the dome. yeah yeah and then And then he throws me over the top rope and I'm done. yeah that was it that's you know what okay and i'll be honest i've i've had many of receipts you know i've i've i've screwed up and and gotten punished for it know and that's that's you know with that that's wrestling it's fun um you know then you then you you hug it out later in dressing room everything's good yeah um yeah if if the circumstances were right and if if it made sense now now and i'll tell you unequivocally and and i'll say this you know over and over again
01:46:04
Speaker
as as because i think me and me and trevor definitely had our popularity we were working every weekend sometimes multiple times and weekends right we were we were pretty popular we were tag team champions at a lot of different promotions multiple times um i had a tryout with wwe we wrestled on ah roh together we we definitely had momentum right we're talking about at this point like the last time we ever wrestled like consistently probably about 10 years ago fans are fickle right unless you're this very very over over the top star in a major company they're fickle right nobody would care and i hate to say that right nobody at least very few people let me put it that way very if i were to come back at socal pro tomorrow um
01:46:55
Speaker
nobody would care, but few would, right? but but i'm not saying i'm not I'm not saying for, you know, just for your your one last. Yeah. bro and and and and And here's why I say it has to be right, right? I will say that that in wrestling is a very taking business inherently by nature, right? it you just Wrestling as a business takes more than it gives. That's how it succeeds, right?
01:47:21
Speaker
I cannot put myself in a position where I come back just for the sake of my happiness. It has to make sense on a show, right? The booker has to make money.
01:47:32
Speaker
Because people are going to pay money to see that show. And if my name is attached to that show, I have to be able to give it something. Right. Okay. That would be my only hang up with, with coming back. Truth be told, I didn't want to retire when I, when I did, you know, I i didn't want to leave when I did. It was, you know, obviously we we both ran into circumstances where, you know, I, I just, I was, um,
01:47:54
Speaker
my wife was about to give birth to triplets and, and Trevor was moving across the country and it was just, it was, you know, I, I felt as though it was my responsibility to not carry on almost without him. and I try to like tell him like, Hey, look, look, why don't we just turn on each other and then we'll have a, we'll have a match and, you know, I'll send you a packet. And then he said, well, what if I want to come back and what are we going to do then? Well, crap, you know, so we really couldn't come to terms with, with how it would work if I just continued on my own. Um,
01:48:24
Speaker
But, you know, I would have loved to have had a couple more years in me when I did leave because I wasn't in in bad enough shape where I had to leave. It was really more about the fact that that that Trevor was going and, you know, life is going to get a little bit more difficult for me, but it wasn't going to be impossible to make shows every now and then.
01:48:41
Speaker
um so yeah, but every, every time I, you know, I, I go to training or, you know, i help out with like, you know, like a promo class or I do like, uh, we, we run SoCal pro runs a ah weekly episodic, uh, SCP TV, they call it. Um, when I do that and I talk to all the boys and stuff, I can't tell you how much I miss it. You know, when I ring an ounce and, and I hang on the locker rooms and, You know, I have a genuine love for the business.
Transitioning from Active Wrestling
01:49:04
Speaker
And yes, I i do believe that selfishly I would want that.
01:49:09
Speaker
But for the sake of the business, I wouldn't put myself in the position unless I felt the business could benefit from me. being unless Unless one of the bookers decided to make one of the wrestlers, you know, just beat the holy hell out of you or something like that. Right. And and yeah, because because because then it would that would kind of make sense. Right. oh yeah And then then people would might want to see the comeuppance. Right. um But that's that's something that that a booker would have to put in place. I will never go to Jeff Dino. He's the one who who owns SoCal Pro. I won't go to Jeff Dino and say, hey, you know, I want I want somebody to beat beat me up so I can so I can have my vengeance and and do this match. You know, I won't because it's his money. It's how he feeds his family. right
01:49:49
Speaker
um I'm not I won't I won't ask that. if would if he would have yeah Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And it would it would be hard because, you know, you can't just go to the bookers, a bitch, I'm wrestling, you know. Right.
01:50:00
Speaker
Okay. I used to. I could. You know, I could have like back in the day You had a promotion. You're going to have done anything you wanted to. you were over Yeah. And when I had my own promotion and that was another thing, too, I tried my best when we were running our own promotion.
01:50:11
Speaker
Not to put the belts on yourselves. The only reason we had ourselves was because I wanted to spare money on other guys. I was like, well, we'll work for free. Let's put us on the car. And oftentimes we'd lose or whatever. And we put the belts on us once and we lost it on the next show.
Critique of AEW and Management Styles
01:50:27
Speaker
And we did it just to transition to the next.
01:50:29
Speaker
know Because we had another face team or heel team because we were faces there. That's one of the questions I had. That's something else I inherently, like firmly disagree with. I hate the fact that bookers put themselves on shows or that promoters put themselves on shows.
01:50:46
Speaker
that era of like the evil Mr. McMahons and all this shit is stuff is long gone, right? It's just, it's gone. And, and people only do it because they're selfish and they're not getting booked anywhere else. And especially if you're putting yourself in like a high caliber match or a main event match, you are garbage. In my opinion, you have absolutely no purpose doing this because you're not doing it for the right reasons. Well, that's, I mean, that's what,
01:51:08
Speaker
That's the only thing that I like that to Tony Khan has done is he does not like to be on TV. Yet. Yeah, no. Well, he's still – look, and I'll tell you this. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I will never work there, so doesn' it it doesn't matter. But I have friends in AEW. have you know really good friends in AEW.
01:51:23
Speaker
I will tell you there's no way in hell that Tony Khan is not 100% ballooned off his tits. That dude is either a meth addict or a coke addict. You can tell by the way he looks and talks. He's a coke head. Stupid fights he pulls.
01:51:35
Speaker
um And the fact that he's there and his little stupid press conferences and all this other crap. He puts himself over all the frigging time. He's just never in the ring doing it. Yeah. Like you said, yeah. I mean, to me, he's a he's a mark with some money. Yes, exactly. I hate to say that, but that's that's how I feel about that. too You know, I don't care. I'm never going to get booked.
01:51:55
Speaker
So I can, you know, I can give a crap. Well, no, that's what me and Brian were talking about earlier. And that's what we were, you know, when we were talking to Trevor, i was like, well what do you think about, you know, Tony Khan? And he goes, well, he's basically what we call. And I and he said that he had the term a mark.
01:52:12
Speaker
And I'm like, OK, he is the mark with the money. yes He likes you know the big people. That's who he's going to put. you know that's That's why I don't like the Young Bucks and Kenny Omega because of that reason. They you know they put the titles on themselves.
01:52:28
Speaker
It shouldn't be that way. you know if you have ah If you're an EVP or president of an or or you know a wrestling organization, you should not have a title. you know the The Young Bucks hated us. hated us like I remember they hated us when we were working like indies and stuff. because we we we wrestled We wrestled one match with the Bucks.
01:52:45
Speaker
And in their promo, they they did like a shoot thing about like how we were because at the time we were we were in the lead. There's this this message board on SoCal for wrestling that has like these yearly awards and we were winning over them for the tag team of the year. And they basically called us out and and accused us of of like fudging the numbers on the boards.
01:53:05
Speaker
um But, you know, i look and I have i really i working with them, they've been they've been pretty they were easy. They were they're obviously the phenomenal wrestlers. And I'll give them all the credit in the world. But yes, they had their hand in the pot. And of course, you know, they did what most people will do in that position. and They'll give themselves all the praise and then all the gold and all that sort of fun stuff and blah, blah, blah. um But yes, Tony, Tony Khan is, is, is, and this is why, and I will say this, this is another prediction of mine. I give AEW, AEW, I will give at max another two years before it falls.
01:53:41
Speaker
Like, or at the very least before it becomes like what TNA has become. it's it's it's not It's not run for the right reasons. Look, you have all this this it in TNA. When TNA started to boom, right? When did TNA start to falter? It's when they brought in all the ex-WWE guys.
01:53:57
Speaker
yeah that you can you can You can sync it up right with a graph and say, this is when we brought in the WWE guys, and this is when everything started to kind of go downhill because you had this nice little spike, right, and everything started to plump, right?
01:54:09
Speaker
Because what people like with these corporations or these companies that aren't w WWE, right, is they're not WWE guys. We don't want to see them. They're good for star power and they're good to bring in on like one offs and blah, blah, blah.
01:54:20
Speaker
They have their own roster. It looks like TNA. They had their, you know, they had Samoa Joe and they had the AJ Styles. Rude. They had bad styles. So they had all these people that were, that were, you know, Chris Daniels, they were doing all these, these things with their own talent. And that was the alternative, just like, just like AEW, when they did their all out and all in and all this stuff, you know, it was their own guy, their own breed or whatever. then what did we do? We brought in people like CM Punk and, and, uh, the big thats stuff that they didn't need. they They had their own power and they had their own power working with them. And that's what I said. And I, I hated that. I hated that they were bringing in, uh, WWE guys, uh, or, uh, even NXT guys. I hated it because it was taken away from, you know, like jungle boy. um You know, they're still pushing him, but not like they were.
01:55:05
Speaker
I've trained him. Where's the dime? I'm going to drop a dime. I trained him once. um And and and what what it I'm sorry, and I'm like really bad with wrestling. Big, tall, masked guy. you know his His friend. oh oh ah Luchasaurus. Luchasaurus, yeah. yeah whatever is but what's And his real name. Oh, my God. I can't remember. I can't remember his real name right now. Austin's his real name. um But yeah, I remember when I was training, when I was helping train for my old trainer, um he was like, they're both like in there. And I remember like thinking like,
01:55:36
Speaker
Jungle Boy, was just like, well he's going to be a star. He's Luke Perry's kid. you know He's going to be like really like really popular. and you know Obviously, he was totally for different reasons than I thought. but yeah um But yeah, it does. It takes away from those people that are you know like Darby Allin and all these other people that are just their own homegrown family, which is what put them on which is kind of what put them on the map, obviously with a lot of financial backing.
Indie Wrestling Contributions
01:55:59
Speaker
right But I think they had a good head of steam where they could have made their own people shine. And what did they do? They did the same formula that has failed in the past, right? The same shit that WCW did. Same shit that WCW did. Same shit that TNA did. And nobody gets it.
01:56:14
Speaker
Nobody gets it because everybody's like, oh, well, we got to be like WWE. You don't understand. You're the alternative. You need to be different. You have to be different, right? And there's no difference. and that's another reason why wrestling sucks. You know, it's, it's, you know, whether you watch AEW or WWE, it's all WWE.
01:56:30
Speaker
It is. Yeah. i mean Now, now Trevor, said something before we got off the air last night he said ask you what was the funniest thing that happened in the ring he would not tell us what it was he's got a story and he's he was tight-lipped about it and he said nope ask andy i think i know what he's gonna say don't know i don't if you ever know if you ever seen ever heard this story um but i could i take you know
01:57:02
Speaker
Trevor and I would always try to make each other laugh. Always. you know In the ring. we were and I remember just not too long ago, was I was at SoCal Pro training. and I was telling the guys, like you're eventually going to get to a point where you're not so worried about what's coming up next so much as you are just trying to pop each other in the ring. because It's going be fun. you know You're going to get that comfortable with it. and When we got that comfortable with it, we we often did different stuff to make our ourselves laugh in the ring. but but This one was...
01:57:31
Speaker
at least it appeared to be unintentional, but knowing it came from Trevor was totally intentional. So this is what happened. We were, and I guarantee this is the story because he he loves this story. It's his favorite story ever. We were wrestling, were wrestling a match.
01:57:44
Speaker
And we always had this spot and you have to kind of have a little bit of imagination. We always had this spot where I get put up in the tree of woe. And if you know what the tree of woe is, it's basically when somebody puts you up for an atomic drop and they sit you on the top turnbuckle instead. So you're facing out and then they bring you down. So you're hanging upside down in the corner.
01:58:04
Speaker
right okay and our favorite thing to do um with that spot was um i would be hung up in the tree of woe trevor would come in somebody would body slam trevor so his legs were open so i'm i'm looking upside down at his crotch and then they would come down like the the faces would both exit the ring and pull each one of his legs and slide his his his crotch into my face And then i would I would fall backwards. And so we would be in like the 69 position and and we would just sit there and sell it. But it looked like, you know, looked like it was this gross thing, you know, and everybody would laugh. And we did that spot so many times. It was just great. it
Creative Wrestling Promos
01:58:40
Speaker
was phenomenal. So one night.
01:58:42
Speaker
we did it We did it the other way around where Trevor was hung up in the tree alone. So I got slammed and they pulled my crotch into his face and he he came down on me and and and did the and and did the whole 69 spot.
01:58:56
Speaker
And as soon as he came down, I heard a thud and the most thunderous fart I've ever heard. him And I felt the vibration. Yeah.
01:59:09
Speaker
And i remember agree I remember screaming, like, you mother effer. But I was muffled because I was in his craw.
01:59:21
Speaker
I guarantee that's the story because that's probably his proudest moment all in wrestling. Well, the next time we have a mom here, the next time you know we have a mom, we'll have to ask him. no that's that's that one That's what it was. I guarantee that's that's what it is. that' One last thing before we we call it a night.
01:59:39
Speaker
yeah Because otherwise, you know, we could be here forever actually talking about wrestling and everything else. That's fine. love wrestling. Oh, i so do I. But, you know, it's getting late over here and Brian's got to work in the morning. I'm sorry. Yeah.
01:59:50
Speaker
I think he's a good job. It's great. He should try. No. I don't make TikTok money yet. Oh, that's all right. Okay. All right. You are the king of promos.
02:00:01
Speaker
man I want you, according to, you know, Trevor, you're the king of promos. I want you to make a promo on why people should watch us.
02:00:15
Speaker
wow
02:00:19
Speaker
Because I'm going to use it for a promotional.
02:00:24
Speaker
Okay. You want me to do it like a heel promo or you want me do it like a... Do the heel promo. Do the heel promo. Because doing face promo, nah.
02:00:34
Speaker
Yeah, nobody wants to see a face promo. All right, give me 30 seconds. let me You got it. One or two times.
02:01:03
Speaker
We don't put them on the spot, bro. No, it's good. No, don't worry. It's not going to take me too long. might love but let's let's do it let's let's Let's see if I still got it. Let's see if you got Can I say the S word?
02:01:16
Speaker
You can say whatever you want.
Future Podcast Plans and Promotions
02:01:18
Speaker
Okay.
02:01:40
Speaker
All your life you've been sitting there eating shit, sleeping shit, and and drinking shit. All your life has been shit. Well, why not try talking some shit? Check out Mark and b Brian on Talking Shit Today and get your dose of talking shit.
02:01:55
Speaker
There you go. Now I'm going to play with it car play with it this tomorrow. yeah Thank you. Thank you for that. We appreciate that. We really do. No, thank you guys for having me on. her I do appreciate it. Hey, we want to have you back. of that like soundo go Yeah, this time it's going to be with Trevor also. yeah's like We got to make sure that the time lines up since, you know, somebody don't know how to tell time.
02:02:19
Speaker
Sorry. It was definitely Mark's fault. It was Mark's fault. remember I remember I was sending you both like messages or whatever, and I was i was seeing it was it got seen but not sent. I was just like, these guys are awesome.
02:02:30
Speaker
ish dude man like i felt so bad no when i was talking to you or when we were going back forth i was like okay well i'm i'm talking with trevor so i seen it but i wasn't trying to stop talking right and so i'm reading these guys the messages and they're laughing their ass off yeah i i don't know know and and i was thinking too i was like god i hope i hope they're just like you know they're they're just like you know having having a good old time with it and just make it fun of me Oh, we had fun. I'll tell you that. Trevor definitely, you you know, he he's ah he definitely helped. Remind me. Remind me next time we talk. I'll tell you by the time I actually showed up to a show a week early by accident. ah
02:03:07
Speaker
I did. I remember I called the promoter. I was like, hey, bro, where's the truck? You know, posted there on fumes. Didn't have enough gas to get home. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I need that 20. Yeah, was bad. Yeah.
02:03:20
Speaker
yeah there was bad Andy, put your put your socials out there for the people that will watch this. I'm positive that you're going a bunch of followers come in. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Check me out on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and I guess Facebook. You got a real thing. Everything is Andrew Jassik. At Andrew Jassik. You know, take check me out on there. i but You know, there's only one of me in the world, so it'll be hard to miss.
02:03:44
Speaker
So, yeah, please give me a follow. Let me know. Let me know you follow me. I'll follow you back. Yeah, he's a funny guy. He's awesome. i appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much. We're going to try to figure out how to get you and Trevor on, I think, in ah um April.
02:04:03
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. let let Let me know when. and you let you know i'll let you we'll let you know ahead of time so you don't go making other plans. okay we'll text We'll text you every 15 minutes. like get seriously like oh Seriously. It's funny because i saw like I saw your text. We're going live in five minutes. and That was 15 minutes past the time you went live. i'm like You're like, excuse me? What?
02:04:24
Speaker
Yeah, that oh that was the reason why we had we were trying to hold off and then you know Trevor came in. I know. God. And we were like, okay, shit, we're going to live with Trevor. that's all your wife he Tell your wife. here cared me again ah you Tell your wife to make sure that she ah does a hell a lot more funnier stuff because I'm a big fan of hers. And I guess yours. I guess yours too.
02:04:44
Speaker
yeah All right, y'all. Thank you so much. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Andy. You're very welcome. You have a good night, okay? You too. Take care. Bye, guys. Ladies and gentlemen, that was Andrew Jacek.
02:04:59
Speaker
You will also know him as ah shit dot oh the guy that shows up late to a podcast. No, just kidding.
02:05:09
Speaker
David E. Jones, if you want to check out some indie wrestling. yeah we check out up Go check out SoCal Pro Wrestling.
02:05:24
Speaker
They're on ah YouTube. Check them out also. i he he All he does is you know just you know announces them. That's all. Oh, that's all? Yeah, that's all. I bet he's really good at that, though.
02:05:36
Speaker
Probably. If you can hear him. Sometimes the crowd's louder than he is. The man gets a better promo than anybody, that I'm telling you. ah Well, we're going to find a way of using that to our advantage.
02:05:50
Speaker
um Anyways, we have one other thing. Who do we have Wednesday? This Wednesday, we're going to have Tex. It'll be our last Wednesday show.
02:06:03
Speaker
We're going go Tuesdays and Thursdays from here on out. Unless we have something special, then we'll do another. Oh, by the by the way, I have something special. i'm gonna I'm going to keep that cat in the bag.
02:06:15
Speaker
but, uh, I'm going to need everybody to go on to, um, maybe that, what is it? The history channel or A and any, it's, it's one of those channels, uh, get over there while you got a chance and check out a little TV show called, um, swamp people serpent invasion.
02:06:37
Speaker
Um, let me know what you think about that show. Send us a message over here on Facebook. Um, Because here in the future, we're going to have something planned out for you guys.
02:06:50
Speaker
And it's not a live creature I'm touching. So I'll tell you that. Mark's getting a bunch of snakes in the house. Oh, fuck no. Fuck you. ah Well, guys, it has been super awesome. Thank you for hanging out with us here on Talking Shit.
02:07:08
Speaker
I know that we typically go an hour, hour and a half. We hit the two hour mark. We'll go wherever we want now. i know That's right. We hit the two-hour mark tonight with Andy. And once again, man, he was fantastic.
02:07:21
Speaker
Go check out Andy on all his socials. He is funny. He's just a down-to-earth guy. And we couldn't have asked for a better guest, man, tonight. Go over and check out ah Deluxe Edition Network.
02:07:38
Speaker
um You'll find tons of great, great podcasts over there, especially, you know, Bev's video kingdom, you know, they got some good shows going on. Uh, check them out. They were also the podcast of the month.
02:07:55
Speaker
I mean, she got lot and I guess until next time, we'll catch you. We'll catch you later. And don't forget on Wednesday, 8 PM, we'll have texts from, uh, yeah. Tick tock. Um,
02:08:12
Speaker
Instagram, YouTube. Yeah. If you haven't watched them, if you haven't watched them, go check them out. Um, Mark, do you have his handle? Is it just text on, uh, people can watch them on Tik TOK.
02:08:26
Speaker
Uh, or the guy that sounds like Ryan Reynolds, the guy that dresses up. and like And I'm hoping to get some good, some good shit out of him. But until next time I'm Mark.
02:08:39
Speaker
I'm Brian. Later. later