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Robert LaSardo Joins Talking Shttt
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Robert LaSardo Joins Talking Shttt Podcast
Get ready for an unforgettable episode of Talking Shttt as we welcome the incredible Actor Robert LaSardo to the show!
Known for his unforgettable roles in film and television, Robert sits down with us for a no-filter conversation about his career, his journey through Hollywood, behind-the-scenes stories, and everything that makes him one of the most recognizable faces in entertainment.
Join Mark Bensette Jr. and Brian Elam as they do what they do best — No filters. No scripts. Just Talking Shttt.
Hear the stories, ask the questions, and get ready for a conversation you won’t want to miss!
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Transcript
Show Introduction and Promotions
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and gentleman
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What's happening, ladies and gentlemen? You are now tuned in to Talking Shit. My name is Brian. With me always... um' Mark. What's happening, buddy? How are you? Good.
00:00:47
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Feeling good? Hey, good looking shirt there, buddy. know. Yeah. what that Where'd you get that from? It's our new line. Our new color.
00:00:59
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Is that Dooney and Burke or is it Carl? kana what What are we talking here? what I can't remember what the actual name of the blue is. Oh, okay. Right on. Hey, Mark, um ah but what kind of show we got tonight?
00:01:16
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well Well, first off, we're going to save the little surprise that we have for next week. We're going to save it at the end of the show. Okay. Sounds good.
00:01:28
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All right. I went out, and i I've been talking with ah this actor. I won't say his name just yet because I know I'm going to mess it up. Um, you don't think it's hard, buddy.
00:01:40
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I don't think hard. I don't think it's hard. I'll say it. If I mess it up, he can come after me. Okay. But, uh, I, I've been talking to him a few months. He was supposed to come on for the military show, but he couldn't because he had to do a movie, which he told us about ahead of time, which I'm grateful for.
Guest Introduction: Robert Lissardo
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um but I found him on, I started watching him back in to what, i I think the early two thousands, I was watching him on a, TV show called General Hospital.
00:02:10
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And it was with my mother-in-law and my mom and my wife at the time. Yeah, she was my wife at the time. You would say there was a lot of women in the room, but I'm going to say probably not. You just wanted to watch GH.
00:02:23
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did i Yeah, that's the point. And it was good at the time. I don't know about now. I haven't watched it in a long time. A good show that was. That's right.
00:02:34
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how And that's the other surprise that we have. We have a brand new premiere of a song tonight from Escape the Paradigm. Escape the Paradigm.
00:02:47
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Yeah. Gotcha. All right. my brother my wife is hate my wife is in the comments. Oh, oh, oh. It's a true story that he watched it by himself.
00:03:00
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Yeah, I've watched it by myself. Any which way. You want to bring him on? Absolutely. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to talking shit for the first time ever.
Military Stories and Experiences
00:03:11
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Mr. Robert Lissardo. Did I butcher it? I didn't butcher the last name that I Rob. Not at all. Right on brother, right on. ah Robert, before we came on to the show, we started talking and I think a good way to segue into this is prior to you getting into acting, you did something a lot of other brave men and women um, have done.
00:03:37
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However, you know, we were talking about it and, you know, there's, there's a piece of us that, that stayed behind in, in a piece and a lot of us that did come back.
00:03:49
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What did you do? Where did you, uh, where did you serve brother? Um, I was canine infantry, in the Aleutian islands. Yeah. I worked with the dogs. Um,
00:04:02
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I was sent to Lackland Air Force Base to get certified in 19, I think it was 1981. Yeah. Okay. you know
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What was it like working with the dogs, man? um Luckily, I got along real well with my dog. He was so half shepherd, half Doberman. And when I was on the island, Adak,
00:04:27
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It was a listening post during the Cold War. You know, we had nukes up there and all kinds of fun stuff. And um
00:04:36
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they asked the volunteers for security force, you know, for like, we had Marines up there and and we had an air base up. There was an air base up there. And so they had all this top secret stuff, et cetera.
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Anyway, long story short is I volunteered and then, they, uh, they approved my request chip for, you know, security detail. And then, uh, next thing I know, um, they were shipping me and the dog from the Aleutian islands all the way down to Texas.
00:05:11
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Yeah. Lots of training goes into those dogs, brother. Well, yeah, you know luckily for me though, um, the dog, the security detail force that was up there, um, the dogs are already there and dog's name was King.
00:05:25
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And, uh, He's a beautiful animal man. And ah I got to spend some time with the dog and develop a rapport with him. My chief petty officer thought it would be a good idea if we hung out together and just you know got to be familiar. And then they taught me some basic stuff. So when I went to Lackland, I kind of had a little bit of a heads up on the you know other members of the class, which is divided mostly into army and then air force. I was the only yeah Navy guy in class.
00:05:56
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OK. Yeah, i did. um I did some time up in um
Transition to Civilian Life and Acting
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the Fort Dix McGuire Air Force Base right across right right around the corner from there was Lakehurst Naval Air Station.
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And it was right after right after 9-11 that I got stationed there. um And they put me in charge of a recycling center there.
00:06:23
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but they would go and pull people to be a part of the security forces. And then ah got pulled. I was okay doing it. I hated staying at the game for eight hours a day.
00:06:35
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you know what I mean? Checking IDs, doing this and that, but what whatever. But I had an opportunity to do what they call play catch with the canine.
00:06:46
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So i put on I put on the catch arm Yeah, the rat. And I would take off running. And there was this dog that I still remember to this day. His name was Argo.
00:06:58
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His name was Argo. And this dog got me so good that that bite, that bite sleeve, he penetrated it. Yeah. It was the only dog. i caught I caught like all the dogs on the base, right? So five, six dogs I think is what we had.
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But Argo argo was he was a monster and put a hole my arm. I was like, wow. I was like, i don't want to mess with him. I don't want to mess with him. It's funny, Brian. there's always one in the class that's like that. We had one called Bear, this huge shepherd.
00:07:30
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And, dude, you know you know, the deal was you're supposed to agitate the dog, you know, back and forth and move his head back. This dog was so strong, he would throw us around like we were just, a you know, ragdoll. It was unbelievable. He was scary.
00:07:41
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bear. remember that, dog. I hear you, man. We all had one in the class, didn't we? Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. That's crazy. That's crazy. So security forces for a little bit there? Oh, yeah, for a long bit, man. I was up there. It seemed like an eternity in that place, man. It was a pretty wild situation up there. And then, because we were like going, you know, searching for, my dog due purpose. He was an attack dog. We did perimeter watches, played games. The UDT seals would come try to infiltrate the island. I arrested a bunch of people. Things got a little bit hectic every now and then with some conflict and all nonsense. And then also drug contraband. We served P-3 planes, you know, those ah submarine tracking planes that got the, you know, that would fly over the Bering Sea tracking Russian subs. But they'd also do missions overseas and come back. And I guess the concern from the the commanding officer and the base perspective was that
00:08:34
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they might be flying illegal contraband and drugs and stuff. So used to have to search in three of those planes for drugs and stuff. Right on, man. That's crazy. isnt so you you spent your So you got out of school, I assume. You went right into the military right after school. Is that right? okay Yes, I did. How long did you serve?
00:08:53
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I did four years. Okay. And then when you got out, where did where'd you go from there? oh i went I went crazy for a while. Yeah? Yeah, man. you know it is It's kind of hard to transition from military to civilian life. I was like, where'd everybody go? i was looking around. I just felt like ah in you know four years doesn't sound like a long time, but it is when everybody you know is pretty much gone and you feel like, don't know, you missed the you missed a proverbial ah bus or something. i just felt kind of stranded and isolated. again and I was
00:09:29
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drinking quite a bit. So it took me kind of minute to get my my bearings, you know, back and adjust civilian life again. It was kind of an interesting transition. But the good news is that I reconnected with the a friend of mine, a teacher from school, high school performing arts that I went to prior to the military.
00:09:47
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And he reacquainted me with the reacquainting me with the craft of, a I guess, acting. And so I started studying with him privately. That helped me kind of you know, ah create some equanimity in the baseline, you know, anchor point to find purpose again in my life.
00:10:03
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Right. Gotcha. Yeah, that way you're not going out doing dumb shit. Right. Which is the reason I went the military in the first place, because there's a lot of dumb shit. No pun intended.
00:10:14
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As since we're talking shit here. um but i There's a lot of dumb shit going on prior to the military. i caught a case, got some trouble. a lot of my friends are going to jail, prison, some died.
00:10:25
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And ah I just didn't see a future for myself. So I guess the universe sometimes sends you hints and sometimes it beats you over the head, you know, a little bit. So, cause some of us are hard cards. We don't listen. So I got, I got the, the writing was on the wall that I needed to get out of town and just get my, as they say, right, get squared away.
00:10:47
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Get my 50 going. Yeah. and And I still tell guys to this day, like square yourself away. And I like, they look at me like i'm weird. And I'm like, you know, like put yourself together, you know, like make yourself presentable, presidentable is make yourself ah you know, understand the processes and stuff like that. you know I'm a general manager now, and now I'm going through the point where I get to start all over teaching new sales staff and stuff on like a process like, Hey, this is how we're going to do things. This is how we do it.
00:11:21
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This is how you talk to customers, because if you don't talk to them like that, the next guy's going to, you know, so it's the same thing. Like I'm carrying that military style over because, you know, I made it to E6 before I finally was done with the military.
00:11:36
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um and And a lot of that role that I had as E4 and E5, I was still the big brother, the you know the leading petty officer for some of these undergrads and stuff coming up. Hell, we were teaching officers on the ship, you know these fresh out of boot camp ah so ah OCS school. yeah those got Those kids, man.
00:12:00
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I'm talking you got kids that are like 19, 20 years old that are going to be running the Navy one day. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me that you were teaching them, man. I get it. That doesn't surprise me at all. My mom uncle told me, though, man, he was like, you messed up He was like, I told you to go. at One, I told you to go in the Air Force. Two, I told you to go be an officer.
00:12:20
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He said, nowhere did I ever say join the Navy and be enlisted. And I was like, you know, you got to start. I think you got to start from the ground up. I don't think you you go in and become an officer. I just that to me.
00:12:32
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To me, i don't think you I don't think that you should get that opportunity. I think it should be you go in, you do some time, then you can go to OCS. that's good you get You get salty, man. You get your classic get some character. You live a little bit, man. and you know And everybody's journey's different. So who's to say what you should and should not do, right? so You know when you get you're giving an instinctive revelation for yourself and what your journey needs to be. I don't like when people...
00:13:01
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play authority as opposed what you're supposed to do. How do they know what you're supposed to do? You're living your life and your body. It's presumptuous to think that somebody knows that the narrative of someone else's life or the geography of it. It manifests the way it manifests, trial and error, like anything else.
00:13:18
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Yeah. All right. let's ah let's move a little forward here.
Acting Career and Typecasting
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so we got out of the military. and We went into acting. Acting, you did, huh why why did you choose acting what what what really drove you to it i know you said you had a a teacher yeah he was crucial and and and pointed things out to me like there were some other teachers that pointed things out to me but i never chose it um i know it sounds cliche but it kind of chose me um i had no aspirations for anything like that i wanted to live a somewhat
00:13:54
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what some would say call a conventional life, structured life, because so much of my early upbringing was so tumultuous or just unstable. I wanted to create stability in my life. I had a vision of something that was very, I guess almost cookie cutter, you know, um and just wanted to find some sanity in a world that for me, most of my life felt the opposite of that.
00:14:19
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um Acting was catharsis for me, I guess, you know, i was doing some plays and junior high school and one of my teachers, in ah an English teacher, had taught drama as an elective. She whispered something in my ear about a school net called high the High School of Performing Arts. and And she saw how she felt that was very effective on stage. So these things were pointed out to me.
00:14:48
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And I also saw how Some of my classmates were responding to what I was doing in drama class and on stage. And I was looked over my shoulder a couple of times because I didn't know what was going on until I realized, wait a minute, i must be doing something here that makes sense, you know, in terms of the art form.
00:15:05
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And then i auditioned for the high school Performing Arts, got in, studied for three years and still didn't really have any aspirations to pursue a career or anything like that.
00:15:16
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I was just trying to stay sane. and trying to find, like most young men, i'm sure you can relate to this, maybe Brian more, trying to find, I don't know, a sense of identity or a sense of belonging, because like I said, my family life, earlier then I was so fragmented.
00:15:34
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I looked for it in other places, like in the street, with some of my friends that were also like throw away, I guess, throw away children. And we kind of banded together and found a brotherhood.
00:15:49
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and a camaraderie that from the outside observer might seem to be, don't know, ah arrogant, aggressive, and even criminal.
00:16:02
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But from where I was standing, it felt like home. It felt like love. It felt like finally found a home and people that um men other men that understand me. And it was beautiful for as long as it lasted.
00:16:15
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So the the career thing, nah. But once I got out of the military, I reacquainted myself with my teacher. And he really was, and he and he was very insistent on me digging deep in terms of the creative aspect of self that I had, was ready to finally embrace and revisit. And then I just started out auditioning for stuff in New York City for the first year. Yeah, got turned down a lot too, because of the tattoos. It wasn't popular back then. so
00:16:47
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it just seemed to me really really ridiculous until it wasn't until I got my ah book, my first acting gig with, and then next thing I know, I'm flying out to California to do a Warner brothers film. So I thought, wait, maybe these people aren't lying to me.
00:17:02
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My acting teacher wasn't just, you know, it wasn't some pie in the sky nonsense. It was, there was some legitimacy to it. And then, and then I just pursued it, I guess, or I just, I just,
00:17:16
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did what I needed to do, I felt excited at first in the beginning stages of the career. That was that was very, you know, not knowing much about it and taking my cue from the movies and TV and all that stuff. I was programmed and conditioned like a lot of people to see this magical kind of land in Hollywood and stuff, you know? So for the first decade, i was it was all fairy dust to me. I was like, wow, wow, wow, wow you know? and then you go through some changes and then turns into something else. And we can talk about that.
00:17:49
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Right on. um what was What was the movie that you first got cast in? It was a film entitled Moving. Yeah. with Starring Richard Pryor, Dana Carvey, and Randy Quaid, Roddy Dangerfield, the late Roddy Dangerfield. Great, great movie. Yeah, classic. Great film.
00:18:10
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and Yeah, it was a good time, too. They were real nice to me. Those guys, they were real nice to me yeah um Vanessa says, my favorite, congratulations. May God continue to bless you always. ah Meredith Brown said the movie. Moving.
00:18:29
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She called it.
00:18:31
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Oh, man. What's that? I said hi, Meredith. Must be one of your biggest fans.
00:18:41
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Meredith is one of your biggest fans. Awesome, man. Um, so I know that we talked also before we came on the show, you've done some television, stuff and Mark, Mark is a proponent of watching a television show called. general east I used to.
00:19:00
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No, I haven't watched it in a while. He doesn't watch it now that you're no longer on the show. Good. No, wouldn't be emotion no, things come up and, you know, you stop watching certain things when it gets boring and,
00:19:15
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You know, that's what it was. And yes, the first time i first time I remember seeing him on TV was General Hospital. But he's been on a lot more stuff than I realized when I was looking at his stuff.
00:19:28
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I was like, wow, it's you know, it started early or what? Late eighty s all the way up. And most of the time you play, it seems like you play the bad guy.
00:19:45
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Do you play the bag guy often? i am ah tend to um
00:19:53
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I tend to look at the material in terms of I don't look i don't get stuck in the dualism too much anymore, and like good or bad. i just I guess my interest is whether the material that they present to me suggests intelligence, whether it's on the left side or the right side. It doesn't matter to me.
00:20:12
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It's just about whether the writing introduces something that's challenging, like what I learned in school, you know, character development. You don't judge the characters, just breathe life into them and make them materialize.
00:20:24
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And humanity is a very complex proposition that has both good and bad in it. So I think the more you understand the human condition, especially from the military point of view, and what you and I may have experienced, Brian, and seeing some things, that you start to see things not in black and white. There's a lot of gray.
00:20:43
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Oh, yeah no I still like I said, I still go to that that to links, to you know, of of things from the past to today as well. I mean, like I have to look at my moral compass sometimes and go, is this the right thing to do? Because I like I feel like it's not. You know what I mean? Like ah you ever you ever get that sinking, that sinking gut feeling like you used to get in the military? Like, I know they told me I have to do it this way,
00:21:10
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but Do I need to do it this way? You understand what I'm saying? Does that make sense? Yeah, i know I know exactly what you mean. Some of the things I did up in the Aleutians ah came under, i guess quite pra came yeah i guess, come under question in terms of what the the what they call moral injury. i Are you service connected, Brian?
00:21:33
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Yeah. Yeah, me too. And a part of my service connection is the PTSD stuff. And it ties into what you're talking about, this morality issue yeah or this notion of morality when your superiors give you orders to do things and then you find yourself doing things. And then the in retrospect, you wonder if
00:21:57
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what you did carries some to kind of go consequence beyond what
00:22:07
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what you can easily suss out intellectually becomes more, I guess, I guess something spiritual or what, you know, what people would consider the science of the mind and working through those issues.
00:22:20
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ah And, you know, and that's the pe at PTSD wormhole, I guess. And you can get really hung up on it or you can let it go and realize, you know what, I did some things.
00:22:32
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How did i feel while I was doing them? Am I going to, reproach myself, admonish myself forever, or am I going to move on with my life and accept, like the serenity prayer. You know, give me the strength to accept the things I cannot change, right?
00:22:47
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yeah right Or give me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, it the strength to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. So, you know, you once you get, if you can get past that, then you're a little bit freer in this idea of judgment on oneself. kind of let it go a little bit. So, you you know, because there's no future sitting there admiring in what you did. It's done with. it doesn' it keeps burning It just keeps burning a pit right in your stomach, right? So, you know.
00:23:15
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Move on, man. You move on. Or you don't. I mean, i don't know. It depends on the individual. I can't speak for anybody other than on this guy, but I just know that whether it's in the movies or what people perceive as real life, I mean, you know, these days, uh,
00:23:32
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morality, integrity ah is ambiguous in terms of a world that I see as flawed, more so than ever before, not getting political and a little bit out of control and seemingly on fire, literally, and also in the minds of many who are very conflicted about any number of things, let's just say.
00:23:55
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Yeah, for sure. no Yeah. For sure. sure So, yeah. what What was your favorite role What was your favorite role that you, that you land?
00:24:07
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Uh, in the commercial aspect of thing, the commercial, mainstream world, I would say, uh, don't know. Nip Tuck was fun. Yeah. It was fun. Ryan Murphy gave me some really good material to work with. And then also the, the folks over at CSI Miami, Jerry Bruckheimer television. Uh, those guys gave me something fun to do.
00:24:28
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Uh, ghost whisper, Jennifer love you. That was a good, show, and they also provided me with material that suggested a more sympathetic type of book character that you could maybe have some empathy for. So those are the first three that come to mind in terms of television. General Hospital also was kind of ah had a proposition in the early stages that could have provided me with all sorts of layering had not the agency
00:25:00
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you know messed up the deal with ABC. But um that was Robert Gusa, I think was the head writer at ABC at the time. And he offered me a work order on that, on General House, where I was supposed to play a priest for an indefinite period. And he he stated that he saw within me as a human an inner conflict. And he thought it'd curious and maybe interesting for the audience to, intriguing for the audience to watch that character, Father Mateo, struggle with that spiritual conflict and not the audience not knowing is he is he an evil person, is he a moral man, or is he boot a little bit of both?
00:25:40
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And ah that was something that I'll never forget because it was, it' just if that even though it didn't materialize to the full length of ah what it could have been because of the politic play of the agents, but it just showed me that some of the people in power of that time recognize a quality and an ability that I had to manifest more than some caricature developed in the mind and developed in a small minded writer, you know?
00:26:12
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Yeah. You ever feel like you ever feel like that maybe later in the career they were trying to typecast you as a certain type of character? Yeah, I feel quite the opposite.
00:26:25
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OK. Yeah, I feel that the mainstream because it plays to stereotypes and basically superfluous, superficial propositions of how things appear and plays it safe, on at least in the timeline of the movies I was in. I'm not talking about films in the 70s that were a little more cutting edge. I'm talking about the timeline in which I worked the mainstream. It seemed like just want to put everybody in categories.
00:26:50
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and and and And so much of casting is is is typecasting. ah So... um Now, as I look at this thing within the last 10 years, independent filmmakers who grew up watching me appear on shows and in films, um they're not as uptight and narrow in their perspective regarding the art form and in movies especially and have come forth and offered me things.
00:27:22
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that in my wildest dreams, and I never would have conceived of, not that I didn't have the ability to do it. I just never saw the mainstream, uh, being brave enough, uh, to allow someone like me to manifest certain types of characters, like a psychologist or a brother of a sister who is in need, who needs someone to help her, you know, ah characters that have some kind of integrity or, or not imprisoned or a guy who's in the middle, a man who's and been in the military like myself. So, um,
00:27:53
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It's just been a lot of fun now to get into the art form and it's become more of a spiritual creative practice than egoic for pursuit.
00:28:04
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Years ago when I first started, there was a lot of ego involved when you first start because of the the red carpets and the big premieres and the I guess these Hollywood movies and the visibility of these types of films, you know?
00:28:17
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But when you step back and look at it objectively from an artistic point of view, you realize how much limitation they place on you. And they pick and choose the power who they allow the full range of their talent.
00:28:32
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You don't get to pick and choose that. This is the misconception that I and people like me get to pick and choose. We don't get to pick and choose.
00:28:43
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no you you offer a job You're a job and either you take it or you don't. yeah yeah That's it. You know, and you don't like it, then someone else will take it. That's it. And then, ah so for a while, i I received the work order. I took it. And I had a lot of work for a while until it became, there was a redundancy in it.
00:29:01
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And I didn't feel I was growing artistically. That's the part. Not so much about it being a good guy or bad guy. just felt intellectually i want and creatively, I wanted to be challenged more, is all it was.
00:29:13
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And now I have been. That's starting to happen now. So I'm grateful for that. the Has there ever been a role that you passed on that you were like, it's not fitting to me?
00:29:29
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And then part two of that question, is there any roles that you were close to getting that you missed that you wish, hey, I wish I would have done something a little different here or something?
00:29:44
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I used to get hung up on regret and, you know wish I could have and should have and all. I don't do that anymore because I realize that the people making decisions aren't as intelligent as I imagine them to be.
00:29:56
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And some of their decision process has to do with how things appear and how they envision. has nothing to do with you know me. So, no, I don't really think about that too much. If it wasn't meant to be, it wasn't meant to be. I'll move on. i let it go now. I don't.
00:30:10
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I don't surrender my power to those people anymore because I've gotten to know a few of them and I see how arbitrary and unjust the decision process is. So no, I don't know.
00:30:21
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And then in terms of passing on roles, yeah, I've passed on quite a few things because it just didn't make sense. The money wasn't right. I didn't feel comfortable with the material, et cetera.
00:30:35
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And I've been around long enough, man, that I can look at something and don't take me long. just sussed it out. You know what I mean? Right. I can figure it out whether it's going to be a good fit or not.
00:30:46
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Yeah. And then going to ask this question before we go to break. Do you have a favorite location what ah for shooting? Like Hollywood, New York.
00:30:59
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I know you've been in Texas. Have you been to Florida? Yeah, have. Okay. I've shot me there. Okay. Any locations that you I would say, well, I don't know. well I don't like being in extreme climates, man.
00:31:16
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You know, sorry for I mean, I don't like extreme heat or extreme cold, but, you know, um I don't know. man that's You know, let me think about that for a second. um h
00:31:33
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I would say, don't know.
00:31:37
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I would just like to be in in a work environment that doesn't isn't too torturous yeah um and that also the production itself is rooted in something real, meaning that um the people making the movie, the writers, the producers, the director, the the the performers, et cetera, they are um committed to the collaboration of making something that they can that they're in love with and the ego gets left at the door.
00:32:10
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So that's to me, the ideal circumstance, regardless of where it ends up in terms of, you can have an ideal situation in terms of the fitness, but still be dealing with a bunch of self-possessed, egoic, maniacal types that, you know, you don't really get along with man.
00:32:29
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So do you know what I mean? It's always a trade off in my opinion. You're not going to get the ideal scenario in my, at least I haven't. and you work with what you have and you make the best of it. That's what the military requires. What I remember, discipline, structure and commitment follow through. Same thing with films, I dare say.
00:32:50
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Gotcha. All
Game Segment: 'Florida or Not Florida'
00:32:53
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right. Listen, we're going to take a quick break. Let's get something to drink if you need to. um And when we come back from listening to a brand new never heard This is not their song, but this is a fantastic song by Escape the Paradigm.
00:33:15
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When we come back, we're going to play a little game called Florida or Not Florida. So, ladies and gentlemen, stick around. We're coming back with Robert, and we're going to play Florida or Not Florida right after this. And then we'll play ah a trailer of one of his movies.
00:33:30
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Perfect. Thank you, Mark. Looking back at you.
00:34:12
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What I really meant to say is I'm sorry for the way I am Never meant to be so cold Never meant to be so cold Cold to you, sorry about
00:34:50
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What I really meant to say
00:35:19
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You're never meant to be so cold
00:35:49
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I'm going to be right back.
00:36:21
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What a real
00:36:48
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That was Escape the Paradigm ETP covering Crossfades Cold. Fantastic rendition. I loved it. don't know about you guys, but yes, that was an absolutely fantastic version of that song. So just want to give a huge shout out to ETP. Thank you guys for letting us play that song.
00:37:07
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We really appreciate that. Guys, we're back with Robert Lasardo, and we are getting ready to play a game called Florida or not Florida. But, guys, we can't do it. We can't let Robert play alone.
00:37:20
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So who's in the comments that wants to play? And better yet, who's backstage that wants to play? Well, I can tell you she's been on our show a few times.
00:37:32
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Never heard of her. She actually hosted our show once, too. Never heard of her. Never heard of her? Who that is? Hey, that's Mary Kate!
00:37:43
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Yay! I want to play. Hi, Robert. How are you? I'm fine. How are you today? Feeling good? Good. Great. It's a great show so far I've been listening backstage and everything that you said is so spot on and great insight and especially for someone new like me. So I appreciated it and it's been awesome so far.
00:38:06
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So. Now I'm going to do terrible at this game, but that's why they bring me on is so everyone else knows. that That is not why I brought you on. you were my first pick, but you were supposed to doing a movie.
00:38:19
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Yes, but I'm back so I can do it. Awesome. Well, thank you for joining us. And ladies and gentlemen, in the comments, if you want to play Florida or not, Florida, you want to play along, that is fantastic.
00:38:30
Speaker
We greatly implore you to do so. Hey, guys, if you win, Robert, we got to send you some of these, buddy. I'm sure that you'll appreciate this right here. yeah This is our military logo for the Talking Shit Show.
00:38:47
Speaker
But not only are we going to send out this decal, we're going to send out the OG Talking Shit Decal. Not just to our winner, but guys, if you're playing along and you want your Talking Shit Decals, all you got to do is let Mark know.
00:39:02
Speaker
You can message him right after the show on Facebook. Message Talking Shit. and send us your address and we'll get them out to you. Right on, right on, right on. All right, guys. So the game is really easy. It's very easy. All I do is I read a so short story and you just tell me if that happened in Florida or if it happened somewhere else. Pretty easy?
00:39:24
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Well, so far. All right, here we go. I'm going to show it right here on the screen. It says a deputy drew his gun on a man at Circle K after mistaking the gas pump nozzle as a firearm.
00:39:37
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the The guy was literally just trying to tell the cashier that his pump was not activated. Did this happen in Florida or did this happen somewhere else? Florida or not Florida, guys?
00:39:48
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So I'm going to jump in because we had Circle Ks in California, and I don't think you guys have those over there. Yes, we do. We got them here. Well, there goes that.
00:40:01
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Meredith is up first. she's saying She's yelling out Florida here. Mary-Kate, what are thinking? Mary Kate says not Florida. Robert, what do you think, buddy? Sounds like something that might happen in Las Vegas. and So Robert says not Florida. yeah Are you getting all these here? I've got Amanda says not Florida. Brandon says Florida.
00:40:23
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Russell says Florida. Dawn says Florida.
00:40:30
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Ghost says Florida. And your wife said Florida. Okay, you got everybody, Mark? No. Give me one second. There's a lot more people playing.
00:40:45
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I got to use two pages. Oh, my goodness. Well, thank you guys for tuning in. It must be a great show. I mean, we got we got Robert Lozardo, guys. I mean, come on.
00:40:58
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Are you good, Mark? Yeah, we're good. Did you use both of your fingers to count? I mean both your hands? Yeah. OK. Ladies and gentlemen, it was here in Florida. That happened right here in Florida.
00:41:11
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ya So congratulations to everybody that picked Florida. Here's your next headline, guys. Here's your next story. A rogue emu sprinted down County Road 13. Deputies chased it, lassoed it, and handcuffed its legs to render the challenge useless.
00:41:33
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Charges against the emu were dropped. this is my favorite question you guys have ever asked by the way is this one a florida or not what well obviously it's not a florida man is this a florida bird or not florida bird it is totally a florida bird this is florida hands down and it has to be she's saying florida robert what do you think bud has to florida Robert's going to go Florida. All right, here we go. Here we go.
00:42:01
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ah Remember, it's fucked up. It happened in Florida. i love that. So she's going Florida on this one. Meredith has got Florida. Your wife said not Florida. Dawn says not.
00:42:20
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Wait, Dawn? Where's Dawn? She's thinking. Sorry, Russell said not Florida. Amanda says not Florida. Brandon says Florida.
00:42:31
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Dawn says Florida. And Ghost says Florida. Got him. And if you pick Florida, you would be absolutely correct. It did happen right here in Florida. Knew it.
00:42:44
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So we are two for we're two for two. That's right. Two for two. got to get a plane ticket soon. and i got All this crazy shit happening in Florida. What the hell?
00:42:56
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Here's your next one, guys. A man stole multiple Smokey Bear signs and resold them for $1,900 each. The arrest announcement joked that Smokey the Bear personally assisted in the takedown.
00:43:10
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Was this Florida or not Florida? money This is like Wyoming, right? Think it's Wyoming?
00:43:22
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don't know. Meredith is going to start us off with not Florida. You are wrong. float our you are aware that it could not be in the United States too. Oh, is Smoky the Bear Nation, is he like, is he a treasure throughout the world now? Well, see, a lot of Americana is.
00:43:40
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So the 1900 bucks for Smoky the Bear might not be in this country. Yeah, because I said 1900 dollars, right? I didn't say 1900 lire.
00:43:51
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Oh, you did? Oh, well, i did' say all Florida, though. It doesn't matter where it's not. florida So you're going to go not Florida. Correct. Not Florida, not Florida. And your wife says not Florida.
00:44:04
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Trouble says Florida. You got everybody. if all It's all not for we're Robert. Robert, you're going to say not Florida. There's one in Florida. No, no, no.
00:44:16
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Let's think about this real quick. Real quick. late like think about this. Shut up, Brian. Read the answer. Oh, we screwed up. Ladies and gentlemen, it was, in fact, Florida.
00:44:31
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No. Yes, it happened right here in Florida. In Tallahassee, as a matter of fact. Tallahassee, Florida. All right, we're moving right along, guys. We got one, two, three.
00:44:44
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Here's your number four, and then we're almost done. We got one more after this one. Here we go. Residents and wildlife officials discovered wild pigs with neon blue flesh.
00:44:57
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Yes, blue. Roaming the Bay Area. Scientists are still trying to figure out how the pigs look like they were decked. So is this Florida or not Florida?
00:45:08
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Now, I said something in this that could give you an indication of one or few places. I said the Bay Area. I just need you to know. Yes, California has the Bay Area, but guess what? So does Tampa Bay.
00:45:23
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We have the Tampa Bay area. I'm going to say it's Florida then. Don't listen to me. you i'm just telling you why yeah Wild pigs in San Francisco, I just really don't see that.
00:45:39
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I don't. So Mary says Florida. mary florida Is it because we're on a roll here with all the Florida stuff? It's because I suck at this game, so it doesn't matter what I say. But don't care. robert what What do you think, Robert? Do you think that this is a Florida pig or not Florida pig?
00:45:59
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It's not a Florida pig. Not Florida pig? All
00:46:06
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right. We got everybody, Mark? a ah Looks like a lot of everybody else is saying not Florida, not Florida. I'm going to get this one because it's so weird. on Brandon literally says China, so he's throwing it way out there. right, guys, if you're ready for the answer, I'm going to post it up here. Are you ready?
00:46:27
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Yes. Meredith nailed it. California. It happened in California.
00:46:36
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It did. i swear. Where and where? I don't know. It just told me the story was in California. So that's, I gotta tell you, it was California. i I believe it. your fifth Your fifth and final Florida or not Florida question comes in way of a man was arrested after repeatedly sneaking up behind people and sniffing their butts in public.
00:47:03
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Police called it one of the strangest repeat offender offender cases of the year let me ask you guys florida or not great questions this time they are fantastic by the way florida oh robert's gonna go florida on this one that's sniffing i think you can i think that's probably everywhere but i'm gonna go with robert because i don't have a
00:47:34
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like leaning either way so we're going to go with robert and say florida you're going to florida uh mark's going to look at the comments here he's going to get everybody in the comments you guys are going be very uh we'll see we'll see here in a second
00:47:57
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we have bet's
00:48:02
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I love this. We have bad swamp butt dogs. Meredith, are you here in Florida with us? Because yes, we do have swamp ass here. We do.
00:48:15
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Whoever did that was has the dog in them. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a bad dog. all right, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, California.
00:48:27
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polish that's nice i gave you i gave you three Florida and two California. I wanted to try to mix it up. I was going to do Florida, California, Florida, California.
00:48:38
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However, you know, the way that these stories popped out to me and all the Florida ones that popped up first, I was very, you know, with the emu thing, just so you guys know, I was like, how, what, is what the, where?
00:48:55
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so Yeah, they were good. Good questions. Bravo. and they weren I think that they were a good selection of Florida and out Florida at this time. Well, Mary, listen, thank you for popping in to play against Robert. um Real quick, before we let you go.
00:49:11
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Yes. I see some clown stuff going on behind you. Oh, yeah. It's just me in my blankie. There I am right there. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:49:24
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And then how do you know Robert? Um, so we've actually worked on a project together, but we weren't on set at the same time, which was heartbreaking for me. So we'll have to remedy that one day. Um, and then I also know I, you guys probably already talked about American trash already, which is wonderful, no, we have not, we have not talked about it.
00:49:47
Speaker
We're going to be talking about it next because that's the trailer we have. Oh, perfect. Sorry. I i won't ruin you're good you're good and it. yeah It's a good movie too. yes thank you you're welcome and i appreciate it you guys as always it was wonderful and was great to meet you at florida or not florida and then where can our friends follow you yes thanks guys where can our friends follow you oh where oh wherever facebook mary kate If you really look up like Mary Kate and clowns, you're going to find me because that's really ah that really what it is.
00:50:24
Speaker
that topic that like Instagram is at hot lady hoop. And that's that. All right. Thank you again, Mary Kate, for joining us right here on time. We really appreciate it.
00:50:38
Speaker
Mark, how did everybody do? Well, Robert and Mary didn't do very well. that's okay we're still going to take good care of you guys we're still going to send you those decals and win lose or draw we want to make sure that you get the talking shit decals we have four four uh four-way tie in the in the in the comments here yep wow all dawn uh meredith uh brandon and ghost
00:51:12
Speaker
Awesome guys. Thank you for playing along. Uh, what was it for, for, for one, right? Yep. Forum one. If you guys want those decals, make sure you reach out to us right here on talking shit. You can message us.
00:51:24
Speaker
We're back here talking with Robert
Film Discussion: 'American Trash'
00:51:26
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Luzardo. Robert, we have a clip of a film that Mary just happened to mention before we roll it.
00:51:35
Speaker
Do you want to talk a little bit about it? Um, just to say that it's, um, it It's in the same line of what we were discussing earlier, PTSD, a veteran combat vet who served towards Endeavor Storm comes back and you know has to deal with that.
00:51:55
Speaker
Right on. Before we get to that, um the shirts are for sale, by the way. We have these for sale. Oh, cool, man. if you If you guys want a Talking Shit t-shirt, those are available. $30 shipped to your front door.
00:52:11
Speaker
Let us know what size, and then Mark will send you a PayPal link or Cash App or whatever. And we'll get them to you pretty quick, right? Normally, yeah. All right, let's take a look at the clip. What's the name of the film?
00:52:28
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American Trash. American Trash.
00:52:33
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had to bear
00:52:36
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From their point of view, it was just some savage crusader, devil sent by a country of devils to kill.
00:52:44
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And that's what I did. So you just come here and pick up trash? This cave is all that's left. Most people see it as some evil relic from the past, but to me, it's sacred.
00:52:58
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I think you'd really appreciate what you're doing here. I know I do. You love me? Everything I am, yeah.
00:53:12
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I got call that no one showed up. This is Mandy, I'm Melissa's sister. Can someone please just tell me what happened to my sister? Don't get wrapped up in the hate, my man. It will blind you.
00:53:23
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I'd like to know what's happening with the investigation concerning Melissa Maddox. The investigation is ongoing at the moment. I'm not gonna let hate influence my thinking.
00:53:36
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You believe in God? Yeah. Let's wait and see if God saves you. i would hate to hear you stepped outside the road with this. this ah
00:54:06
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Damn, written, directed, and acted in that thing, huh? Yeah. Wow. So you put yourself to work, don't you? yeah Yeah, I was compelled to. You know, it's one of those things, you know, just couldn't help myself.
00:54:22
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I tend to do that sometimes. how'd you How'd you come up with the the storyline for it? Well... well I've been telling people for quite some time now that I was sitting in the car looking out at the ocean when I lived in Malibu and I saw this family come up and, you know, seemingly beautiful landscape of the ocean and the water glistening. and then they started wiping the sand off their feet and everything and left the tissues on the ground. And I thought, well, what would happen if but some neo-hippie type came up to them and called them out while they're, you know, getting in their SUV?
00:55:01
Speaker
a assault vehicle and what would happen. But that was part of it. But I think it was more about just my affection for Charlie Manson. Yeah, I'm not going to lie anymore or not lie. I'm not going to bury that. I think that I've had a tremendous affection for not only a his music, his philosophy and the fact that he was an environmentalist and that he founded an organization called AWA, Air trees, waters, and animals.
00:55:31
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And I just felt that the whole court case around his trial was a zoo. It was nonsense. And I'm not necessarily a believer in Vincent Bugliosi's book, Helter Skelter.
00:55:47
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And I don't think Tom O'Neill, Nicholas Schreck, and some, what's his name, George Stimson wrote Goodbye Helter Skelter. a lot of us who feel that even though Manson was a criminal, he wasn't a choir boy, and he admits it, but I don't think he was any kind of serial killer. So i thought it was important to, since I've been portrayed as this kind of proverbial monster, bad guy, as you said, or this negative frequency thing happened movies and television for so long, i thought, well, I'm a veteran. I'm not a convict.
00:56:18
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And I've read a lot of books on the case. I've read court transcripts. I've done years of research on Charlie Manson. I came away with something very different. And so I thought it was important to make a film that andcut included a lot of his audio narratives of him just talking that weren't doctored by mainstream media to make him look crazy.
00:56:40
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So I wanted to integrate that into a story that also combined an element of two people that fall in love that have a commonality with Charlie Manson and they felt the same way about him too. So this woman, Melissa,
00:56:53
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And Millis, the character of Lackopre, they meet at the cave in Chatsworth with Charles Manson and a lot of people that used to play music there that they called the family would hang out.
00:57:05
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And I wanted that to be the nucleus, the genesis of the story to start from. and then combine that with Charlie Manson's ideology and philosophies about how the world's going to hell in a handbasket because his apathetic perception about ah life itself and the the puking off and the pollution and everything. And I thought it was important to tell a story like that. I still do. And I stand by it.
00:57:31
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And I stand by Madison, regardless of what anybody thinks. Did you see this one, Mark? Yes, I did. ah He sent it to me. um It was shortly after my mom passed away.
00:57:47
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Okay. And I watched it. And i liked it wasn't just about, it wasn't just the PTSD about the military. It was PTSD about what happened to his girlfriend and it all comes together and how he ends it you know, you're gonna have to watch it to see.
00:58:09
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But I mean, the way that he did it, and yeah that was gonna be my first question to you once we got to this, if you had, you know, if if there was a certain, You know, if if it was Manson, you know, if you had, you know, if you thought about what he did and stuff like that, if he was, you know everybody seems to always have their favorite, you know, serial killer or something.
00:58:35
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And I'm not saying that, you know, that's why you liked him or anything like that. I'm just saying that everybody has a certain one. You know like ah i I've watched a lot of stuff on Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.
Philosophical Views on Society
00:58:49
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Those are the two that, you know, clicked the most with me. And, but the movie itself, you know, the way it goes and all the acting, the the writing, everything was par.
00:59:07
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It was really good. I liked it at the time. i had to watch it twice because the first time, you know, my mind wasn't there. So I watched it again and I mean, just having the cast that he had really helped it along.
00:59:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I get to watch the movie next. You got to send it to me. Was there something specific, Mark, that you wanted to ask me about the film? mean, appreciate your feelings and your observations about it.
00:59:39
Speaker
What did you want to ask me? The movie itself, you know, I think, I think it answered mine after the second time I watched it because of the fact that, you know, and like I said, the military and losing the girlfriend, um, all together helped with that PTSD, you know, pushed it further.
01:00:01
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I know how it ends and, you know, it sucks that it had to end that way because, you know, a lot of things happen that way, but mean,
01:00:13
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The only thing that we didn't get to see in the movie, and you I don't know how long it's been out or whatever, but um
01:00:24
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you didn't get see justice for the the to the people that happened, that did what he did to the girl. Yeah, and that's what I like about it, is that there's so many things in this life that, from the point of view of dualism or, I guess,
01:00:41
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um I guess, Christian or whatever religious type of or moral structures that suggest there has to be, where there should be closure. And a lot of times in this life, which is a very sloppy proposition at times, justice isn't served in a way that humans can understand immediately.
01:01:03
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It maybe takes place in in another world or maybe in a way that we can't comprehend physically. maybe in a spiritual realm, maybe, who knows.
01:01:13
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But my point is, is that I thought it was important to stay clear of any of the stereotypical tropes that have the, the you know, the, to have the the victim, so to speak, go after the people and catch them and declare vigilante justice. And then, you know, everybody can feel better about that, but it doesn't work. Vengeance never works.
01:01:36
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You don't get the person back and you still have to deal with loss. And I think the film really ultimately presents to the audience a very challenging proposition of transcendence where we're going to lose everything in this life, regardless of how it goes, naturally, unnatural, through violence, et cetera. And our ability to deal with that loss by seeing a much vaster landscape of what reality is beyond the physical
01:02:11
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call it a spiritual element that runs as a narrative in my film at the end that isn't necessarily an ending, but a continuation of something. It all depends on your belief system. So i thought it was important to not fall into that predictable narrative and be more realistic about how there's a lot of unsolved murders. A lot of people die all the time and their killers are not brought to justice, so to speak.
01:02:37
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And karmically, who knows why, you know, In my PTSD group, there's a lot of men that are angry at God. Like, why did God let these wars happen? Why did God let this happen? ah And I don't know if ah I look to God or a higher power necessarily for answers as much as I look as you at humanity as a as its in its apathetic approach to things and how men and and people in general can sometimes not treat each other kindly and how all sorts of
01:03:08
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um unfortunate things occur in our current situation in a very volatile circumstance in the United States and around the world. So, you know, I just thought, why not keep it real and not make it an action to film, not provide an opportunity for me to be, to play a, you know, I think some people were expecting a very high adrenaline, fast paced, go get them, kill them, go crazy kind of thing. where they could live vicariously to that kind of character type, you know, that type of, like I said, vigilant justice. But to me, I didn't feel any, I didn't see any growth in that as an artist, you know. And and and and I'll say this, and and i'll I'll put a period on it, is that art used to be an opportunity for filmmakers to communicate what they feel as a self-journaling, a confession about any number of social dynamics ah or social phenomenon in our in our modern world or in in the world, and be free to do that um without playing to the checklist of is there enough blood? Is there enough action? Is there enough sex? Does it move fast enough? Does it serve the mainstream to be
01:04:29
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hypnotized by a visual aesthetic to sound and imagery to be given a thrill ride rather than an interactive experience. It helps people come to terms with the humanity. Movies used to be able to, some of them still do, touch subjects that are very uncomfortable for a lot of audience because they have to look within themselves.
01:04:51
Speaker
And the mirror reflects that back at them. And sometimes, you know, I think Movie making isn't always, they're not always, that doesn't always sell well, that type of introspective journey, especially if you don't gloss it up with a lot of, like I said, physical spectacle to keep the audience stimulated all the time.
01:05:10
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My movie was more atmospheric and poetic, and it requires more of its audience to consider things that may be considered ah heresy or extreme in the philosophy. A lot of people were offended by the Charlie Manson audio tracks that I use because it suggests that Charlie Manson had a sensitivity that most people don't believe.
01:05:36
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But that doesn't matter to me because as an artist, I have a right to believe and communicate what I want. I'm not too concerned necessarily with selling tickets as much as I am ah honoring the ah the material and what Instinctively, I felt to communicate put on screen.
01:05:58
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I thought what you did with, you know, the voices of Charlie and how you put it in there, you did it perfectly. I thought it was good. You know, the movie made you feel more like you're actually a human in that movie.
01:06:14
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You know, you yeah you're, you put it right there as, you know, you are, you know, it wasn't just being a victim. You were also showing the fact that, you know, there's other sides to every story.
01:06:28
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Yeah. And, you know, it's one movie that, you know, and ah I can send you the link, Brian, so you can watch it. okay Okay. I can be clear, Mark and and Brian, I wasn't proselytizing a particular ah ideology. I leave it open-ended, man, because the character Mandy played by G.G. Gusson, she wasn't exactly excited about the idea that Miller's ah Melissa's boyfriend, who was her sister, you know, Melissa was Mandy's sister. She wasn't necessarily happy to know that Melissa was a support, a Madison supporter, so to speak, or her sister, Melissa.
01:07:12
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So I do present the opposing perception that Charlie is not is evil. So I wanted to basically have the audience look at both sides of the of the debate and and draw from it what they what they what they believe. Yeah, they got to make their own decisions. Yeah, man. So what you bring to the film is what you come away with. If you hate Manson, you think he's the devil, then you're going to be like how can Losardo make something like this? It would have been great.
01:07:43
Speaker
It would have good movie had he removed that component. but And the other people would say, wow, that was really brave that he is going in line now with some new information that's coming about to suggest that maybe Vincent Bugliosi who wrote Helter Skelter lied about a lot of that stuff that happened. That Charlie Manson from certain people's perspective, am mine included, was not responsible for those murders at Cielo Drive. He did not orchestrate that and understand firmly on that right here and now. not afraid of
01:08:14
Speaker
to communicate because last time I looked, we're in a free country that you fought for, I fought for freedom. So I'm not going to hide behind ah a social demon so I don't come off as a pariah. I'm already the bad guy, right? Pariah.
01:08:28
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So what am I worried about? You understand? So from my point of view, I can relate to not only Charles Manson's childhood because I grew up in foster care. I was mentally abused physically, which is how he was. And so I correlate with his upbringing because i researched his life, man. a lot of people don't do that.
01:08:49
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They allow the media to spoon feed them their own perception of things without being using any critical thinking, man. I didn't do that. And a lot of these writers that are writing their books now coming forth, giving different perspectives of what happened in 1969, they're kind of straying away from the popular narrative of health skelter.
01:09:11
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So I'm not saying they're right. I'm not saying it's a new religion. i'm not saying get on that. ba I'm simply saying keep your mind open, man. That's all. Keep your mind open if you want to or stay in the safe zone and be myopic. You got to think about this. like which our so Society is responsible for creating monsters. And that's just the that's just the basis for having a catalyst like that, like Manson.
01:09:39
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Think about that, you know, as far as like, oh, this person did this. But if I tell you, Mark, Mark has, you know, preached and murdered this many people and I'm the one telling you that.
01:09:54
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But then they they can't find proof or there's not enough evidence to to really convict. Then i was just a ah catalyst for telling you, like, hey, that's that's my take on Mark. That's how I felt about Mark.
01:10:09
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So where I feel like we as the society are kind of responsible for creating the monsters. Right? I would think. Yeah. I mean, you know, Charlie Manchin in an interview when he was behind bars, they said, you know, do you think men deserve to be in a place like this? Well, these people are all your mistakes. They're are reflection of your society.
01:10:30
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You know, you you know they're they're just reflecting you. You know, you are... The people in here are just ah your failures as a society, more or less. So I mean, it's a broad stroke statement that could be argued clearly. But I just i agree with you that um that um there's a certain amount of responsibility an individual has to take for their own actions, clearly. But then there's another aspect of it, too, that when people are um circumstances are so severe in their lives that they shape
01:11:05
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and create the trajectory of how they move to life, then, you know, I mean, you can play blame game all day, but I think what I come away to is that we have to have some empathy. I mean, if you look back 2000 years ago, and not getting religious nothing, a lot of people that are faith-based oriented would look at a Paul the apostle and other people as as inspirational thinkers and and and saints.
01:11:33
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But the reality is Paul was put to prison Peter the apostle was crucified upside down. Nixon opened to China.
01:11:44
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He also was responsible for a war in Vietnam where a lot of my brothers and guys in my PTSU have to serve and don't understand why that happened. And they did with their duty. But so is Nixon the serial killer?
01:11:58
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Is some of the people in office in power? I'm not saying yes or no. I'm just presenting a question that whether it's the pedestrian ah model of men who grew up in socioeconomical ah depravity, so to speak, or or a disadvantage,
01:12:17
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and then the and then the people that go up with the advantage who appear on the surface to be proper, correct, and leaders, are they are they the counterfeit?
01:12:28
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is the So it gets kind of kind become a convoluted mess But it isn't when you look at the result of the society now that seems to be at war with itself. The health of skelter that has been predicted has manifested in terms of a lot of fighting going on over culture, religion, et cetera, which I'm not going to go into. i didn't create this. It's happening all seemingly all by itself.
01:12:54
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Manson didn't start it any more than he started the Vietnam War or ended the nineteen sixty s It just ended. Haight-Asbury collapsed because it collapsed because of the mafia, the drug dealing that went on, and how the hippie movement was depreciated into a cesspool of enterprise to make money off of methamphetamine and other drugs and turn that utopia into the opposite. So there are people that are easily scapegoated or
01:13:26
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glorified as savior to deliver people, but then the same people that are glorified to deliver people are in the name of call to action to kill a bunch of other people. So it's kind of a a very complex debate over, you know, these this idea of monster.
01:13:48
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From certain points of view in the world, the United States is the demon of the world. We are the monster. And our men that went over, because i say in the movie, I was perceived as a crusader, a devil, from their perspective, right? From our perspective, we're going over there to get the terrorists. So it all depends on what angle, position you're looking at this thing.
01:14:11
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It gets very complicated and you end up with an argument without a conclusion. only thing I can come away with, like in the film, American Trash, I see a proposition of us being able as a species to grieve together.
01:14:26
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We share a commonality in our mortality that we're going to face death. And that makes us have to be aware of each other. That forces us to deal with each other's mortality, whether it's a family member,
01:14:39
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a friend, whatever, we are faced with that proposition. So we all share that common bond to recognize each other in our mortality. If we can learn to grieve together and share that experience rather than what divides us, maybe there would be less conflict projected outward from the inside and humanity would learn to heal itself and not separate off into all these belief systems that war against each other, man.
01:15:09
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And I think that's a commonality that I tried to bring forth in the film, this idea of loss and love being the cure. That's the tagline of the movie.
01:15:19
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Love is the cure. Despite the chaos, despite serial killers, despite the idea of the monster, despite fraudulent governments and warfare that doesn't make any kind of sense, and so many men sacrificing their lives and their minds,
01:15:36
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to a belief in something that maybe years ago had some merit and now it's been called into question, is the United States still a noble cause?
01:15:51
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It depends on who you ask, you know?
01:15:56
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Yeah. I don't know if the answer is- I'm still the greatest country. I've been to all the other ones. Yes, yes. It's subjective, Brian. I'm not saying I know the answer to these questions. I just like to, it used to be what the filmmakers and writers, they presented questions for the audience to look at and then they can make their own decision. I don't believe in the Hollywood or a mainstream anything that dictates fundamental beliefs to anyone.
01:16:23
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So that's why I say I feel this way about Charlie Nash. I'm not other people should agree with me. I'm simply saying I have a right though to make a film That shares my feelings about the subject honestly and not go for the obvious exploit. Yeah, Charlie Manson, the devil. Let's make it evil and kill. And then do a quick cash out on an action movie where everybody's getting killed and stabbed. To me, that's pornography, in my opinion.
01:16:53
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I don't want to be a pornographer. I want to tell a true story. Not going to make sense to a lot of people. But there's been a lot of stories told through American history from the Native Americans point of view that don't add up.
01:17:05
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And there's a lot of stories that's been told from other people's perspective too that don't add up. So who's right? You know what i mean? I'm not, and and I can't answer that question. what How can, you know, it's like, how, is it really important to be right?
01:17:22
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Or is it more important for us to figure out a way to live in harmony together and there'd be less fighting? and more of an empathy and and a caring so that we can, the kids that are growing up now see hope for their future, man, that there is a future for them, that there's not much so much, because my movie deals with pollution and toxicity toxicity of the environment, not just with the mind of the people that create the pollution, but why we still doing this? aren't we spending millions of dollars, hundreds of millions dollars to clean up our oceans, to clean up the garbage, to take all this technology that we have to heal the planet and the people that are starving right now. Why are we trying to blast off into space and get away from here rather than turn the resources around and the science-minded men, the brilliant scientists, men and women, to use our ingenuity to heal the planet, ourselves, and all the people who are suffering because of that?
01:18:21
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I want to see that movie. There you go. Yeah. That's the next one you're going to write.
01:18:29
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What's next one you're going to write? What do you have in the pipeline? I know you got some more stuff coming. Are you doing any more writing? Are you doing any more acting? Are you doing a little bit of both? Yeah, I've got a things along those lines there, Brian. I got a book that I just put out called Life Sentence, a true story about lunacy, love and fame, about my experiences in the field and personal life.
01:18:57
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And then, yeah. There's some movies coming out, Bikers and Werewolves. It's a horror horror of action film. and ah I always blank on another movie with called Love Me Dead with R.J. Mitty from Breaking Bad that comes out October.
01:19:14
Speaker
It's a psychological thriller directed by Josh Weber. There's another film called Hyper Normalized. I play a psychologist in that. It's about a guy who's a shut-in who has visions of terrible things. And he's a megal, know, he's a, what is it? An agoraphobic. He's afraid to go outside.
01:19:38
Speaker
Yeah, he believes that, you know, he still believes COVID is running rampant. And it's a social political commentary about a dire proposition of where our world is headed. And I was so glad that Justin McConnell, who wrote and directed this and stars in it,
01:19:54
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allow me to play his psychologist who helps him deal with PTSD. That's coming out. So there's couple of things that are a bit different that I'm excited to be a part of, i guess, that suggests some creativity and insightful minds behind, you know, behind the, uh, the camera.
01:20:13
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Uh, and yeah. And then, uh, writing now, I don't want to write for a while. I'm kind of taking a break with the writing. I'm trying to put something out called Manson's war. It's a more, little more, uh,
01:20:24
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aggressive approach to the subject that i was just talking about. you know Yeah, absolutely. But we'll see. you know i'm yeah Other than that, I'm just trying to, in between all the you know all that jazz, just trying to breathe and enjoy life, man.
01:20:40
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Good deal. Enjoy life. Be grateful every day. You're a veteran, and and you appreciate that. You wake up every day, no one's shooting at you. You're not on fire. That's right.
01:20:51
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You got food available, right? You got a roof over your head. Thank God or whoever. and then so I guess counting my blessings, right? Being grateful. Gratitude is key, isn't it?
01:21:02
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It is. I got a phone call today from the VA because I've got to go in for my annual.
Veteran Support and Services
01:21:09
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and i i went And I did my blood work. And she asked me, has have I haven't had any changes? But you want know the one thing that they just started recently asking, and I'm not sure why.
01:21:20
Speaker
Are you afraid of losing your housing? And do you have food in your house? Yeah. So I don't know. Have you, have you. Yeah. They sent me the same thing. Yeah. I got it too. I got it in my healthy vet, my healthy vet, my healthy vet. got up yeah a message from them.
01:21:40
Speaker
Okay. you I was just ah like, it it hit me off guard because like the lady, you know, lady called today and she was like, yeah, you got an appointment on Wednesday, 2 PM, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then yeah do you have any changes in your medical stuff? And then,
01:21:53
Speaker
do you Do you have a roof over your head? Are you afraid of openinging your housing or whatever? and then have like It's the first time that I've ever even had anybody ask me that. but yeah How do you feel about that, Ryan? How did you feel? I think it's kind of cool now because i mean what what if because there's a lot of vets out there that don't... I got a guy that lives in an apartment that his entire VA check pays for.
01:22:19
Speaker
But that's all he can afford. So when whenever I see him I always ask them the same kind of stuff like, hey, man, you want to grab a water, a snack or anything like that from my shop. You know, you're more than welcome to do that. You know, right on and it's like, no, my VH going to come in. And then, you know, I paid my rent and I've got some extra money.
01:22:38
Speaker
You don't have extra money. There's no such thing. You don't have extra money. But with the VA a asking this question, now I think that they're trying to take that approach because it the homeless vets, man, that's that's where I'm.
01:22:51
Speaker
You know, do you have a roof over your head? Are you afraid that you're going to lose your house? If I said yes, are you going to help me? Like, is there help for me? and And I feel like that's probably where we're going with that. Like, hopefully that's a step in the right direction from the VA a to the VA. Because here's the thing, that the VA's got such a horrible track record in dealing with us as veterans.
01:23:14
Speaker
I don't know if you've ever looked at your, Google your VA facility where you're at. Mine's got a 3.2 star review. okay So take a look at it. google Google it. Take a look at it.
01:23:28
Speaker
see See what yours is rated at. but you it It's a stigma right now that the VA a doesn't take care of people. And I think that they're trying to change that. I think generalni I really hope that that's what what we're going to see for for all the vets, man. I really do. I mean, from the psychiatric end, I've been dealing with psychiatrists, PTSD, psychologists, psychiatrists, et cetera. that get, you know, but that down the line all the way to the pharmacy. And they've been very adamant on point with all that stuff. So I'm very fortunate. And I'll tell you something else. I'll be quick on this. Forget about any pipe dreams or Hollywood nonsense and all that crap.
01:24:05
Speaker
I'm so, I feel at this stage of life, cause I ain't getting any younger, um is that to be, I didn't have health insurance guys for the last 20 years. So for me to get service connected finally is a big deal. I was talking to guy, he's a former Marine.
01:24:19
Speaker
And he i worked on a film project with him recently. And um he was telling me, Robert, I can help you out, get a VSO officer they don't give you proper percentage. And i said, thank you, man. appreciate that. And so when I got the award letter for the percentage they gave me, I was shocked. I was like, wow. I couldn't believe Willy Wonka chicken, you know, from the Willy Wonka. I was like, wow, yeah I finally got help.
01:24:44
Speaker
They're going to help me. so I can go someplace and get looked at, and I don't have to worry about being homeless, you know, spending all this money on, because I wouldn't even go to the doctor. I i hadn't had a blood panel done in quite a while, Brian. So I'm so grateful for the VA a and the military for finally giving me something, dude.
01:25:01
Speaker
You know, when I got out in 2008, I didn't think a thing about, the oh, I need to go to the VA. I need to do this. I didn't. ah didn't But like, I think it took about three years and somebody said, Hey man, you need to go see the vet rep over at the VA.
01:25:16
Speaker
Yeah. it the Because you've got, you know, you've got this issue and that issue. I've got a TBI, but they don't, they don't qualify me for more than 10% because yeah i don't know why.
01:25:29
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But I've, You know, i get a little bit ah I get a little stipend money there, but then the best part about this man is now I can go in. If I'm sick, if something's wrong with me, I have the ability to go to the ER.
01:25:43
Speaker
I have the ability to go to the VA a and it won't cost me a fortune out of my pocket period. yeah know Your medication is free. Yeah. I love, I love that because um I'm going to live on a heartburn medicine for the rest of my life. Yeah.
01:26:00
Speaker
I feel you, man. I know. I know. I get you. I feel i got certain medications that I'm living with. I'm married to them now. I'm married to these medications. Exactly. yeah No divorce all the way to the end. I get it. Yeah, man. I literally take Omeprazole either before I eat or after I eat because I know that shit's going mess me up when I go to sleep.
01:26:20
Speaker
Last night I woke up, forgot to take the pill. And it hurt, man. It hurt bad. But... ah You know, hey, here's the other thing, too. Like, if you were a smoker, have you ever smoked or do you smoke now?
01:26:32
Speaker
noni No, no, no. So I quit smoking because the VA offered me Chantix. I took a program in there and they were like, hey, you got to, you know, go through this little course.
01:26:44
Speaker
i Try the gum, try the patch, try this. None of that stuff worked. Right. And then they were like, here's Chantix. We're going to give you, you know, Try this. Give you a whole list. of If you have weird dreams, any of this stuff, make sure you stop taking it immediately and, you know, discard the bottle or bring the bottle back or whatever.
01:27:02
Speaker
But that's that's the beauty of the VA, too. Like, I have to respect the fact that when we do go in, if we have an issue, as long as we tell them, you can't hide anything from Don't.
01:27:13
Speaker
Don't hide it. If your big toe hurts, tell them, my big toe hurts, because you might have gout, you know? Yeah. ye So, but anyway, Robert, it it is, man. Hey, man, thank you for your service, brother. I really appreciate you.
01:27:30
Speaker
yeah Absolutely. Anytime. um We are we ask you for an hour of your time and you have been super humble. We've talked for an hour and a half.
01:27:40
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So really appreciate you my brother. And I hope hope to have you back on the show for the military edition. Yeah, i would like that. Yeah. So you could take that spot because talking to our brothers and sisters on the panel is absolutely amazing.
01:27:55
Speaker
And we talk to new soldiers. We talk to old soldiers. We talk to retired. We talk, you know, I mean, ah wounded warrior period. I mean, we talk to everybody.
01:28:06
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So, you know, yeah. We're going to continue to to keep doing those shows because we feel like that helps the community, the military community, not only tune in and and listen to those guys and girls and want to be a part of that that that that conversation. You know what i mean? Because a lot of ah lot of people just don't know how to like, hey, who do I talk to if I feel like this? You know what i mean? so It gets you all connected to the you know the right people.
01:28:38
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. Can make all the difference in the world and in someone's life. Clearly it does. i've seen these men I was talking to in group today. I had to do eight week course with these dudes. Some dudes serving one guy, certain Vietnam, another guy in Bosnia, another guy, Afghanistan, another guy, Iraq. You listen. And I get a lot from their, from their shit, from what they, what they, hope what they contribute to the group, man.
01:29:01
Speaker
Yeah. It really helps. and I don't feel so alone. That's good, man. That's good. I'm glad to hear that. so I'm glad it's helping. Okay.
01:29:12
Speaker
Well, listen, I won't keep you any longer. Thank you for having me on your show, Brian and Mark. You the guys are the best. Had a real good time. Absolutely. And if you want to tell everybody where to find you, is it okay for them to follow, like, and share all your stuff?
01:29:26
Speaker
Where do you want them to follow you at, Robert? They find me hiding under a willow tree down there in the back over there by the mountain up way up where nobody... I like to go hiking sometimes. ah um I'm bad at this stuff. ah Okay. I guess I'll start with the what the the book, Life Sentence. You can get it on a dark Amazon and Dark Moon Press.
01:29:51
Speaker
Yeah, that's the publishing company, Dark Moon Press. And then you can get it on Amazon. And then... The movies, you know, they'll they'll they'll you'll see them. They're coming out to you this year. You know, Love Me Dead, Vikers and Werewolves, and Hyper Normalized. Those are the only three I can remember. Forgive me, filmmakers, if of you guys are watching this, I forgot to mention something because there's a few of them. And I'm not trying to say I'm that important. I just can't remember half this anything anymore, man, except maybe the dialogue. I remember my dialogue, but I can't remember what's behind me. I don't look pay attention to it that much. I'm sorry. I'm bad that way.
01:30:26
Speaker
Yeah. It's all good. You'll remember and then you'll message us and then we'll put it out there for you. Okay. I appreciate that. Yeah. I just, I just talked to you guys about the creative stuff. I don't, need to make a big deal out of things i do honestly i i'd rather just talk to yeah but if you've got a project that you want to help promote if we if if there is any any point you need any help to help promote that you just reach out to us let us know okay thanks guys and we will gladly do so so uh ladies and gentlemen uh this is robert lazardo
01:30:57
Speaker
Robert has been with us for an hour and a half. Robert, thank you so much for your time. We look forward to hearing them from you again soon, especially on the military show as well. yeah Buddy, if you're ready to go, man, we're going wrap it up right here. Mark and i are going to stick around for a minute because we've got something very important to talk to the crowd about.
01:31:16
Speaker
Okay. I don't know which button to press to get out. and i Don't worry. I'll take care of that. We'll take you off of the screen, Robert. Thanks, buddy. I you guys, Mark, and especially you. but right I salute you, brother.
01:31:28
Speaker
Thank you, brother. Have a good one. Okay.
01:31:35
Speaker
All right. So ladies and gentlemen, Robert Lozardo, fantastic actor, director and writer. Holy crap, man. The guy did it all right. So yeahp it was it was a great, great conversation with him.
01:31:50
Speaker
Can't wait to have him on the military show. I think that he's going to be a really key person to, you know, other military people being able to talk to him and and see his story as well.
01:32:01
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I think it's going to really help him out. And to Brandon.
01:32:08
Speaker
Brandon. etc Did we ever have Brandon on? e here He still hasn't gone. Hey, you still haven't gone to the VA?
01:32:16
Speaker
that That's my question. You haven't gone. That's what he said. That's what he said. i still haven't gone. Go see your vet rep. Go to your local VA and ask who the vet rep is and sit down with them. They'll pull your medical records and.
01:32:31
Speaker
If you had a headache in the military, you could probably get lifetime prescriptions of our favorite pill, Motrin, 800 milligram. Go see the damn VA. Go to your vet rep at your local VA. a
01:32:49
Speaker
Speaking of, you know, JJ Groh used to be my vet rep, and now he's running for a a Senate seat or something like that? No.
01:33:00
Speaker
Did you, did you not, yeah, JJ Grow used to be my vet rep back in, when I first, when I first moved here back, you know, in 2020. Yeah. it's funny yeah So go, go see them, Brandon, go see them. Just that way.
01:33:15
Speaker
If you get some service connected disability, you're going to get your medical stuff taken care of. You don't have to come out of pocket any money. That literally saves you, especially if you got like a truck payment, like I do.
01:33:26
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So. Oh, so they pay for that, huh? No, I don't know what you're talking about. Brian. Yeah, man.
Show Conclusion and Audience Engagement
01:33:35
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um I got a phone call last Thursday night.
01:33:39
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Yeah. Yeah. Last Thursday night kind of sucked because we were supposed to have a Bo Bison, but, but it there out for us but I got a phone call from him.
01:33:50
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Oh, you did. Okay. Yep. And so I, he told me to call him back on Tuesday. I called him back on Tuesday and he said, look, I feel bad.
01:34:02
Speaker
He told me that on Thursday, too. He felt bad because, you know, Wi-Fi connections suck and he could not get. So that's why he called me. It was a little late when he called me because I don't think he realized that we gave him our my phone number anyways.
01:34:16
Speaker
Well, I talked to him. he said that he wanted to do a live in-person show. We get to meet Bo Bice live. Well, so um hold on on. We didn't know what day we were going to do this on.
01:34:30
Speaker
Okay. So we decided that today when I went up there to your work to talk to you, ah we told him to pick a day. He didn't really pick a day. So I gave him a day.
01:34:46
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um So we're going to be doing two shows next week. Which two days? ah Tuesday and Thursday. So Tuesday, we're going to go live.
01:34:57
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We're going to live. And we're going to do it live on location. Yes, sir. Guys, if you're going to watch this show, I'm going to tell you right now, we're probably going to have some hiccups, but hang in there with us.
01:35:09
Speaker
If we come on at 7 p.m. special start time, because we're going to try out our new camera. Mark, did you get a tripod?
01:35:22
Speaker
I will be getting one here. You absolutely failed. No, I was looking at some, but They didn't have any at the youth ranch. Okay. So I will get one before that show even goes.
01:35:37
Speaker
We're going to be doing a lot of stuff. and We're going to be asking a lot of questions. we're We're still going to allow you guys to ask questions. We'll have ah um a laptop or two um and we'll go from there.
01:35:51
Speaker
And then on Thursday, we have three people who are going to be on the show. We're going to have One that hasn't been on the show and then two that's been on the show. One that hasn't been on our show is from Sick and Twisted FX.
01:36:07
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And his name is Tom Smith. We'll have actress Amber. Amber Brooke. and Yes. And actor Clifton Taylor.
01:36:20
Speaker
and know I know Clifton Taylor. I know Amber Brooke. But I don't know this FX guy. No, but he does really good work. Okay, And they're going to be talking about sick and twisted anthology.
01:36:34
Speaker
Okay. So we'll get to hear more about that. And I'm hoping that we can get a lot of people to tune in on, on both shows. Oh, and we got some kind of goal going on. So if you guys want to go reach out and tell your friends, uh, Mark's saying that every time we get an extra thousand followers, followers, yeah. what were a Views, followers, what you want.
01:36:58
Speaker
uh i want followers mean views would be great too i don't care so we're at like 400 new followers uh 432 as of uh tonight so we're at like 432 new followers so we need another 600 and uh 600 and well to make it to 2 000 um we only need about 400 more to make it to a thousand to two thousand and then after that once we hit the two thousand Everything after that will be $3,000, $4,000. Mark said something about giving some stuff away for free. So you got to reach out and tell all your friends, come and watch this terrible show.
01:37:37
Speaker
Terrible? What? What are you talking about, Mark? This is the number one rated podcast on YouTube right now. Did you know that?
01:37:50
Speaker
Me neither. I just want to say, are you dreaming again? Nobody else to believe it.
01:37:58
Speaker
But like I said, we'll be doing two shows next week. So, so guys tune in on Tuesday 7 PM, right? Tuesday, next Tuesday seven, going be live on location. So bear with going to have a couple of hiccups there.
01:38:13
Speaker
And then Thursday back here at our normal time as well. So if you didn't get ah enough of us tonight, you're not going to get ah enough of us next week either.
01:38:24
Speaker
And everybody that's, you know, still watching, because most of the time they normally tune us out by now. um If you would like any dec details from us, just send me your address and we'll get it taken care of.
01:38:37
Speaker
Guys, thank you so much for tuning in tonight. Mark, if you're good, I'm good. I'm good. Ladies and gentlemen, from us here at Talking Shit, my name is Brian. And I'm Mark. And we're out of here.
01:38:49
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Have a good night, everyone.
01:38:58
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Bitch, I'm in the...
01:39:23
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and chairman