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EURO2024, Roy Keane's Ireland Revelation, Southgate on the Brink and Carsley's Chance
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Killian and Nate dive deep into the latest EURO2024 action and controversies. This week, they dissect England's dismal performances and speculate on Gareth Southgate's precarious job security. Could Lee Carsley be the future manager England needs? The duo also examines Ralf Rangnick's tactical approach with the Austrian team and makes predictions on who will clash in the knockout rounds. Plus, don't miss their take on Roy Keane's candid admission about the Ireland job and a critical look at the FAI's controversial ticket pricing.
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Transcript
Introduction and Football Overload
00:00:18
killianginnity
Hello and welcome
Current Games Update
00:00:19
killianginnity
to the Nara Pundit podcast. I'm Killian Ginnity and I'm delighted to be joined by my friend and yours, Nathan Byrne. Nathan, how are we doing?
00:00:26
Nate
I am doing well. Football commentals, but yeah, doing well. It's been a lot of football, but it's been enjoyable.
00:00:34
killianginnity
There is so much football. its It's never ending. Like I have two games on at the minute and Whilst that is fun, I do miss the 2pm kickoffs. They were just a lovely little have your cup of tea at work and be able to have the match on in the background. Currently, as as we are recording, Georgia are 2-0 up over Portugal and it's a 1-1 so far in Turkey versus ah Czech Republic. There's a goal check going on as I'm talking and Czech Republic how about i have a right card.
Troubles with Southgate's Management
00:01:03
killianginnity
um I'll keep updated if if that happens but by the time this goes out it'll all be done and dusted and somebody who might be done and dusted sooner rather than later is Garret's out getting it.
00:01:15
Nate
Yeah, it's a dismal watching to say the least. They've been the worst team in the Earth, which is just crazy considering the team they have. and
00:01:26
killianginnity
It's insane. They have the same number of goals as Scotland.
00:01:30
Nate
Yeah, and like one's viewed as like the biggest failure on the planet and the other one's like, oh yeah, we improved last night. Okay, Gareth, did you really? and The lack of creativity is crazy. And I think like a big thing is when you see like someone like Kobe Manning coming on last night for 20 minutes and showing a bit of impact that he did, it's like, why are the other players playing that? Same with Cole Palmer, showing the impact. Where was that for the other 90 odd minutes? Or 70 odd minutes, sorry?
00:02:04
killianginnity
And why did you wait till the
Young Talent and Missed Opportunities
00:02:05
killianginnity
third game when you have practically little to fight for and leave them still as subs to bring these guys on? This should have been after the first game kind of going, hey, maybe we should just try something different. We have nothing to lose here. That was pretty bad. Let's just go for it.
00:02:22
Nate
Yes.
00:02:25
killianginnity
And the second and third game for England, so just after the Denmark one, we actually released on our socials not upon the podcast, get us on Twitter, ah Instagram, and TikTok, but release a video where we actually proved true stats. ah provided by UEFA, that England are the most boring team. Their matches have the fewest number of attempts at goal. And that's not ah like just shots or shots on target or anything like that. That's just making the ball go towards an attacking position position.
Further Criticism of Southgate
00:03:00
killianginnity
And England had five. At that time, the only team that had less was Scotland when they lost 5-1 to Germany.
00:03:08
killianginnity
like it's insane like it just they're not doing anything um and like even now they've lost Foden he's been he's gone home uh to be there for the birth of his child they're hoping now that he'd be back on Sunday but like Garrett's out gate is
00:03:10
Nate
it and Yeah.
00:03:27
killianginnity
the chickens are coming home to roost for bringing what four or five attacking midfielders to play practically the same position like and then when she got like not having a replacement for Calves and Phillips I nearly had an aneurysm
00:03:33
Nate
Oh, made that my goodness, the funniest football moment of all time. Who else on planet earth would have turned around and gone, you know what, we don't have a replacement for Calvin Phillips. That's why we're struggling here at the Euros. It is, honestly, I think you shouldn't have been sacked on the spot for even muttering them words. It doesn't make sense.
00:04:02
killianginnity
Like in fairness, as Ireland fans, we can kind of empathise with that. like We still haven't replaced Dennis Irwin.
00:04:13
Nate
yeah like you're not kind of a phillips though kiddie it's
00:04:16
killianginnity
No, no, apparently nobody is. Not even Calvin Phillips because he didn't bring him.
00:04:21
Nate
yeah it's kind of phillips injured like oh so like yeah mate yeah you could have brought him oh
00:04:24
killianginnity
No, he's just not playing well. so And instead they brought, you know, the hundred million pounds defensive midfielder who basically plays the same position.
00:04:36
Nate
it's comical
00:04:37
killianginnity
In fairness, you're not the only one to think he should have been sacked on the spot. Not necessarily just for that, but let's listen to Richard Keys talking about Garth's circuit.
00:05:07
killianginnity
Yeah, pretty, pretty, like, he didn't mince his words, put it that way. um And apparently he was also calling for Harry Redknapp to potentially come in to finish out the tournament. air Who would you rather, Gareth Southgate or 70-something year old Harry Redknapp whose last job was a technical director and interim manager for Jordan?
00:05:18
Nate
What?
00:05:28
Nate
You know, like, how your head map sounds a bit tempted, like, I'm not going to lie, you might actually score a few goals. Yeah, like, otherwise, I think anybody oversight game, like, I just don't understand how you have that level of talent at your fingertips. And I'm struggling to like score more than three goals.
00:05:53
killianginnity
Don't forget that man ah was heavily linked with Man United. He could have been your day-to-day.
00:05:59
Nate
Oh, stop, stop. You're, you're scaring me. Like I put that in a group chat and I was like, could you imagine Garrett's out gate was our manager? Like the, oh, like I don't think, yeah.
00:06:14
killianginnity
that's gonna You're gonna wake up in a cold sweat tonight just dreaming about that.
00:06:18
Nate
I don't know who's going to go near him after this. like like he's I think, I can't remember who's at it, but someone said like he's playing himself out of future jobs.
00:06:29
killianginnity
ah To be honest, I don't think he's ever going to manage again.
00:06:31
Nate
Really.
00:06:32
killianginnity
I think he's going to, which he seems to be very good at, I think he's going to go up into the FA, eventually move on to the UEFA, and maybe get on some kind of FIFA board, or end up in as some kind of like advisor to a government, because like you put him beside Keir Starmer, I would, and I follow politics, I would struggle to tell you which one is the politician and which one is the football manager. Because at least Keir Starmer seems to like football. Like whatever Southgate is doing, you cannot like football or and keep doing that.
00:07:02
Nate
It's crazy. Like it really is like, he's, and I always struggle and I don't know what it is. Like when managers have such a blaring, like something's so blaring happening in front of them. Do they just like, is it like blissful ignorance or is it just they're being stubborn as they can be? Like, ah read I really don't understand. Like, like it has to be.
00:07:24
killianginnity
has to be stubbornness like no player has refused to play on the left wing as much as Foden did in them games and now he's gone to it gone and gotten on a plane so he doesn't have to play on left wing like play somebody else there like Gordon was very good he was a breath of fresh air when he came on and he had what six minutes it felt like
00:07:44
Nate
Yeah, even Marcus, it's really bizarre, like... To be honest, I just think he needs a rethink in our squad. I think we we pointed out earlier in in the tournament that there was just no balance to decide. I think that's as big as issues is the balance throughout the team.
00:07:59
killianginnity
no
00:08:03
Nate
And yeah, I think there's going to have to have of a hard long look at themselves and see where they can find that balance.
00:08:04
killianginnity
No.
00:08:11
Nate
And I think Cole Palmer is probably probably the the a resolution to that.
00:08:17
killianginnity
Yeah, to be honest, I think if you were to bring him in and in the same position where you're trying to play, he was trying to play Foden, you're going to have basically the same problem.
Implications and Possible Replacements for Southgate
00:08:27
killianginnity
And it's a player that doesn't necessarily want to play there who will see a gap when Bellingham does what Bellingham does and just runs around the pitch and creates things. And he's going to drift into there because that's just where he naturally wants to be. So I think the only way to resolve this is just to drop Bellingham deeper because like just allow it to happen.
00:08:50
killianginnity
Like he he and keep him in a free role.
00:08:50
Nate
Yeah.
00:08:52
killianginnity
Like maybe like, I don't know, specifically say tell Bellingham to play a little bit deeper and keep power more technically on on the left wing but have a second striker or something. like yeah they have to have to in In how they're playing and in the shape that they're playing, the shape isn't working because the shape is practically non-existent. um Saka wasn't great in the last game, but he had been pretty good up up to that. And I think he's now becoming this lightning rod for criticism when I think there's a lot bigger issues overall.
00:09:28
killianginnity
like Gay he has been very good. um I can't say much else for the rest of the defense. I thought Pickford is doing his job. but like Pickford is, you don't have to think about him.
00:09:38
Nate
Yeah.
00:09:39
killianginnity
That's all you want from a goalkeeper.
00:09:42
Nate
It's like, to be honest, I just, I think he's messed up on the squad selection. Like I know, I mean, and I have found people call me out in the comments, but Rashford, I think he's missing him for it for a bit of impact off the bench.
00:09:48
killianginnity
That's it.
00:09:56
Nate
Not even just goal scoring impact. I think just running him by, I think that that England side sort of lacks that a bit. It's all ball to feet, but I think they've sort of overlooked that aspect of the game where, you know, when there is that moment to get in behind the Slovenia, you want the Rashford there, you know what I mean?
00:10:17
killianginnity
Yeah, like I know what you mean. I don't necessarily agree. They're not playing to the player's strengths, but they do have both Ollie Watkins and Ivan Tony on the bench. And this is where I'm more confused. as Just play the players. The players are there, like especially in the third game. like I think it would have been better for the team and for Southgate to just experiment there. And if you're going to like die by that sword.
00:10:50
killianginnity
It's a disaster, but it's going to be a disaster anyway. And they managed to get a nil-nil draw against Slovenia. Like this, this is not the, like these aren't giants in the pantheon of of football.
00:10:58
Nate
work is Yeah.
00:11:07
killianginnity
um Go out and try something different. Like the only reason why they're doing as good as they are, which is not very good, is based on pure and utter talent. like if the players weren't at the level that they are like it if Southgate was managing Ireland the way that he's managing ah England we would be I don't know 90th in the world like there was
00:11:19
Nate
Yeah.
00:11:35
killianginnity
no No, there's nothing you can say about him. like he He is not the same man that he was in Euro 2020. This is not that same team. And arguably now that he's had more of an impact on it, they've gotten much worse.
00:11:50
Nate
Oh, for sure.
00:11:50
killianginnity
like
00:11:51
Nate
Like, I think, I think like the acts sort of up for a sales gate in a way, like, like I think even the England fans are coming around to like, he's just not a good manager. and They've sort of been riding on the coattails of a very exciting squad. dot I feel like that squad's now have moved on to a position where it's gone from a young, exciting squad to a squad that is full of elite talent that needs to deliver now. I think the difference is he can't he can't get them to the deliver.
00:12:26
killianginnity
Also, one of the things that was always kind of going for Southgate with that squad was he brought a lot of them true and there was always a kind of good vibe. I don't know if it's just me, but with in the tournament, but like this the whole good vibe seems to be gone. Like there was this very different body language now than there was earlier.
00:12:38
Nate
yeah
00:12:43
killianginnity
Like um maybe it was more of a mediating, but like the fact that Rice was like a gas that some people questioning their fitness but that came from a sidekick quote so like maybe he didn't know but like there's a lot of this kind of
00:13:03
Nate
i am say things Yeah yeah
00:13:03
killianginnity
disjointedness disjointedness coming across and I don't know if if it's like maybe maybe with the issues with Ben White and Steve Holland and all that maybe this is one of these kind of staffs that you just the more time you spend with them the less you want to spend with them or is it just that it's come to its natural conclusion and like to be honest I think it's probably more of the latter I think it's more that
00:13:20
Nate
yeah
00:13:29
killianginnity
any impact that he could have had is now used up. And it's just time to shake hands, contract over anywhere, move on.
00:13:37
Nate
yeah yeah like i don't see him staying there like even if he like two months i think we all agreed that he was gone after this anyway
00:13:47
killianginnity
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:13:47
Nate
pause Like it's now like confirmed, you know what I mean? Like.
00:13:53
killianginnity
Yeah, yeah, no matter what, even if it has to be, it'll be taken out of his hands.
00:13:57
Nate
Yeah, like.
00:13:57
killianginnity
We all, we all thought it was going to be his decision, but regardless, it's going to happen.
00:14:02
Nate
Yeah, to the good sort of sentiment is sort of gone now, in my opinion. And and like, I don't see him getting that back this tournament whatsoever.
00:14:14
killianginnity
Oh, oh, absolutely not. And like one of the guys who's now being tipped to replace him is a man who we've we've talked a lot about over the last few months as Lee Garsley.
00:14:28
Nate
Yeah. But do you actually think that is something that can happen? I don't personally.
00:14:35
killianginnity
I'd be very surprised, but I can understand the logic.
00:14:39
Nate
Okay.
00:14:39
killianginnity
I think the English FA are very, very unimaginative. And they're like, okay, well, it worked for so good. Let's try that again. It worked out pretty well. And and it didn't end well, but it worked out pretty, it started pretty well. Like they're very little to lose. and But ah looking at from talk sport, Beth, the current odds, Graham Potter, our Lord and Savior, two to one.
00:14:59
Nate
Yeah.
00:15:05
killianginnity
Lee Carsey is 6-1, which actually is about the same odds that he has for the Ireland job. but And the fact that he he could be now available in the next few weeks after his his break clause comes in um at the end of I think it's July. and Maybe there might be more Irish discussions. um Eddie Howe, 6-1. Pep Guardiola, 8-1. I don't think it's going to happen. Jurgen Klopp 8-1, he is loving life too much to go back to England and Maurizio Pochettino a 10-1 which I think could be worth a sneak sneaky conversation at some stage.
00:15:38
Nate
Interesting.
00:15:43
killianginnity
Now one of the things that Carsey has gone from like Southgate did when he was appointed is he has a lot of players that he brought in and through the under 21s are now breaking into the England squad. Anthony Gordon, Braithwaite, Brantwaite I should say, Cole Parlmer, like these are all guys that he blooded into the setup and could form the the spine of ah of an England squad and not be standing out badly.
00:16:16
Nate
Yeah, like I do think one thing is that England sort of like, I think their next manager needs to be a big name because I feel like that squads now at a point where there's a lot of egos to deal with, you know what I mean? I think the next manager needs to be someone that's like universally respected, where I think rightly so, Southgate would struggle to get that.
00:16:46
killianginnity
Yeah, now do you think that they could do with Carsey like what they did with Southgate and put him in as an interim to get through like the nations league games and if it works out well then you keep him and if it doesn't well then you go for your big name and and try something different.
00:17:02
Nate
i don't think so man to be honest like i just think it's it's just so unambitious and i think the fa has sort of come around to realize that you know we sort of have a good team so like let's make the most of us or anything um but then again it's like 50 50 in terms of do they go with that safe option but i personally don't see it what do you think
00:17:35
killianginnity
yeah yeah The more I think about it, the more I think it could be cars because I just have no faith in them actually being clever and I don't think that job is as appealing as it maybe once was. Like I don't think you're going to get the likes of Pochettino because I think
00:17:53
killianginnity
it's It's such a high risk job and a very low reward. I don't think it's the kind of team that's going to challenge for a World Cup and that that's going to be our next site cycle.
00:18:02
Nate
Okay.
00:18:04
killianginnity
I think they might get a semi-final. They should be very happy with that. Or they're going to crash and burn or be just mediocre. um So it's a very low potential win for the likes of Mauricio Pochettino because like it's always going to carry that stigma kind of going, oh, do you think you're finished with club football now? Are yeah you're on the way out? Are you kind of getting bored with it all? Like if Mourinho was to take
00:18:35
killianginnity
England job, you kind of go, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, he's done ah all he can in club football. He's happy enough. Yeah, I can kind of see that. It's not exactly where an ambitious manager is going to go. um I don't think, i I don't think Pep would do it. I think whatever happens with Pep, I think it's going to take you know a year or two out like it. If he takes time out, it'll be definitely to the other side of the city litigation, not just the the decision. um So the best bet is the likes of Potter. And if you're going to get Potter, well, you might as well have Carsley, really, because at least Carsley knows the set up. And Potter, I think, it is just going to draw in unnecessary ire from England fans because they think they're better than them. And sorry to tell you that is really earned.
00:19:26
Nate
But is that not going to happen over with Kazly? Like, the exact same?
00:19:29
killianginnity
Yeah, but but at least at least they can kind of go, well, he knows the system, he's worked with these players before. Like ah there's always that kind of like, oh, company man. Well, ah it's it's it's a continuation of the good part of it. Our under 21 squad is very good rather than bringing in, like to be honest, I think regardless of who ends up with the top job, I think cars are going to be involved in the top job. ah like If a potter comes in, I think he he could he could only come in with a car as an assistant because there's going to be that feeling now of or what we need to have somebody that knows these players.
00:20:08
Nate
Yeah, I can see that. I don't think Kaz is a big enough man. Do you know what I mean?
00:20:17
killianginnity
He's not. he's not but Ultimately, he's not. like ah People won't be happy about it. But I think the FA just want something to be able to fall back on as an excuse. And it's it's not like it was years ago where we had these like legendary managers, like Cappello, that came in for England. And that made sense. It didn't work out well, but it made sense. Ancelotti would kind of make sense, but he's not going to go there. He's going to go to Brazil if he's going to a national team. You know what I mean? like
00:20:44
Nate
Yeah.
00:20:46
killianginnity
There's not these like elder statesmen that kind of go, yes, that makes sense. They're not going to put in Claudio Ranieri.
00:20:55
Nate
Yeah. But like, why would they sort of thing, you know what I mean? Like, in terms of that, like, I think if a potch was interested, they'd 100
Performance of Smaller Nations vs Bigger Nations
00:21:04
Nate
% jump at it.
00:21:05
killianginnity
Oh, to be stupid, not to.
00:21:05
Nate
I think if a grain potter is interested, they jump at it, I think.
00:21:11
killianginnity
Do you?
00:21:12
Nate
Yes, I do. He's the perfect guy, isn't he? He's like, he's a Southgate 2.0 with a, with a coach and ability.
00:21:23
killianginnity
And did you seem to be kind of really pushing that whole like English thing at the minute? We want English.
00:21:28
Nate
Yeah, but I don't even think it's that to a full extent. I think it's, yeah, but I don't think it's the English part.
00:21:31
killianginnity
It certainly helps.
00:21:35
Nate
I think it's the safe part, you know what I mean?
00:21:38
killianginnity
Hmm.
00:21:38
Nate
Like maybe we're just strapped in there that an English manager will always have to be a politician.
00:21:45
killianginnity
could be.
00:21:46
Nate
Do you know what I mean?
00:21:48
killianginnity
The FA at the minute seems to have the same level of imagination as the FAI.
00:21:54
Nate
I won't go that far.
00:21:56
killianginnity
I just don't think we're going to be ah surprised by something kind of good. I don't think we're going to be surprised in a good way, where somebody would go, oh, wow, fair play for getting that. I think it's going to be like, oh, OK.
00:22:06
Nate
Yeah.
00:22:08
killianginnity
Yeah, I get it. I understand it. I don't agree, but I understand it. um But hopefully it just doesn't impact whatever hopes we we in Ireland have of getting a manager um who I have to say, if it is Willy Sanyal, he's doing a very good job here with Georgia, georgia to still tuning up over Portugal and the game is about to be finished.
00:22:28
Nate
He dream.
00:22:28
killianginnity
But it'll leave them third in the group, um put on four points. So well placed to ah get the third
00:22:37
Nate
what What have you been thinking about some of these nations that are smaller in Ireland, doing something with the Earth? Does it just fill you with anger like me? like have we done Have we gotten a disso?
00:22:51
killianginnity
I wouldn't say anger, but envy.
00:22:55
Nate
How has the FAO gotten this so bad?
00:22:58
killianginnity
Yeah, like look at Croatia, the the last euros, like they have the same population as us. Is it Slovenia that only has a population population of two million?
00:23:05
Nate
so 2 million people and they can put 11 bars on the beach.
00:23:11
killianginnity
like
00:23:11
Nate
Like what's the answer is...
00:23:12
killianginnity
and the and We don't have one. And ah what we're we're really doing is we're paying for the mistakes of 15, 20 years ago because Like we had a very good generation. I think what Slovenia have now is what we had with Robbie Keane. Like they basically have a very good striker, a very good goalkeeper, Keane given. um And in fact Slovenia have better because like they have ah ah like they have champions league level.
00:23:37
Nate
hot black illicit yeah oh 100% but i'm extremely angry at the sai that when i see that i'm just like how have you buzzed up that bad
00:23:41
killianginnity
on on on both both the ends, and whereas we kind of had a general, ah some good players, but like a general Premier League standard. um Yeah, it's just it's just envy for what could have been. It's it's frustrating. um like I'm delighted for them nations because I'm like, yeah, he's had a tough time.
00:24:06
killianginnity
Sure. Look at, the look at Kosovo. I think Kosovo had a 110 million Euro invested in their football system.
00:24:14
Nate
But i like I actually don't think there's any excuse like in terms of like, okay, so then you have bought like two top ballers on either end. But like, we've got a Premier League level goalkeeper.
00:24:27
killianginnity
Yep.
00:24:28
Nate
Like a very good Premier League level goalkeeper that we've seen with Liverpool.
00:24:32
killianginnity
yep
00:24:32
Nate
You've got a lot of game time last season. We have up front, we've got Evan Ferguson, someone you see him ticking.
00:24:40
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:24:41
Nate
we've like we've got We've got a team there. like I just don't understand where the disconnect is. like i I do know where the disconnect is.
00:24:50
killianginnity
Like I'm just.
00:24:52
Nate
It's the CEO and the manager managerial appointments board.
00:24:56
killianginnity
but You can't you can't necessarily totally blame the current one current set up because they're relatively new and they are paying for the price of the end the days of John Delaney when you when you're looking
00:25:08
Nate
a board name That's ages ago.
00:25:10
killianginnity
they're not They've not helped. No, but this is this what I'm saying. To have the players that we have now and the kind of infrastructure and all, they're long in place. i yeah like This thing would say it costs about putting in the money.
The Case for Long-Term Strategies
00:25:26
killianginnity
They're not doing this to have a chance at the next World Cup. It's the next euros and the next World Cup after that. like In international football, it's a long-term payoff. And that's where Ireland went wrong. We like like Ireland did with the Celtic Tiger. Sure, we'll enjoy it while the sun is up. And no thoughts for the night that comes after. like When you look at the nations, ah like one of these nations is going to be in the final of Euro 2024. Romania, Slovenia, Netherlands, Austria, Turkey, Czech Republic, Georgia, Slovakia, Switzerland, England, or Italy. One of them will be in the final.
00:26:08
killianginnity
As of even six years ago, most of them, I think Ireland would have said, oh yeah, we can beat them or we'll be damn near it.
00:26:16
Nate
But, you know, do you know what the thing is?
00:26:17
killianginnity
Not one of them could be touched now.
00:26:19
Nate
And I was, I actually had to certainly call me mad for it, but I think if Ireland is in that tournament now, we'd beat a lot of that currently. In terms of, I do, I just think at a tournament, we would beat them.
00:26:27
killianginnity
I don't think so.
00:26:31
Nate
Do you know what I mean? russian That might just be delusion on my end or whatever, but I do think we can go, and many be may maybe, maybe.
00:26:38
killianginnity
I think that's rose tinted. Just because we're grey crack, Scotland-proved crack does not get you results.
00:26:45
Nate
Well, obviously the group depends on it, but I think we get out of England's group.
00:26:50
killianginnity
Oh, for faith in England, yeah.
00:26:53
Nate
No, but like Denmark, Slovenia, like Serbia.
00:26:57
killianginnity
Is this not the same Denmark that bet us what was it, 5-0?
00:27:00
Nate
Yeah, but it's also the Denmark that looked absolutely shocking at the Euros, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, I yeah i get it.
00:27:05
killianginnity
But they're still the ones that qualified over us. so like i'm I'm actually very glad that we're not at this tournament because I think all these smaller nations are have are grinding out results whereas they weren't before. and I think it'd be very demoralizing for a generation of our national teams. like Imagine Evan Ferguson having to carry the shame of being destroyed by Georgia in a tournament. I'd rather rather avoid that.
00:27:39
Nate
like but i I will say this and this is a PSA to the FAI is this tournament has opened my eyes get a plan going communicate the plan to us and get some buy-in from it like it's not hard all I want and I'll say it now is we I want them to go we want this manager okay achievable manager I don't like we can disc discuss play styles whatever this is our play style
00:27:48
killianginnity
Mm-hmm.
00:28:01
killianginnity
Mm-hmm.
00:28:09
Nate
And if this manager does not work out, we are not changing from that playstyle.
00:28:13
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:28:14
Nate
That's all I want.
00:28:15
killianginnity
Georgia just won 2-0, by the way.
00:28:15
Nate
Very good. to just So does ah there's a vision there, you know what I mean? I don't want to be gone from a Stephen Kenny to a Steve Bruce to a, do you know what I mean?
00:28:22
killianginnity
ah like Oh, 100% agree with you.
00:28:26
Nate
the I don't want to be kind of dancing around the pack and I don't think it's fair to players, number one. I think the players need to know what they're walking into, day one, for a long period of time. But some players won't buy into certain stuff and then players should be moved out very quickly.
00:28:44
killianginnity
Yeah, you can cut you get ah it's it's much easier to justify the likes of a and of not calling up the likes of a Ryan Manning if you're kind of going, well, but he doesn't fit into our system.
00:28:44
Nate
you know
00:28:56
Nate
yeah
00:28:56
killianginnity
rather than, oh, I didn't vibe with them. Look at Austria with Ranjak. Ranjak plays a very specific style of football. You hire them knowing that. And they've said, right, that's what we're going to do. And they've stuck to it. To fantastic reward.
00:29:11
Nate
Yeah.
00:29:14
killianginnity
like unite The stank of United has put Ranjak down in people's estimations. undeservedly so. And he's proving why he is so highly regarded on the continent. so And if we could find our pound shop version of that, I think it'd be amazing. I think you're 100% correct. If we can just kind of go, like, like everybody is nostalgic for Italian 90. Well, what were we doing back then?
00:29:44
killianginnity
We had Jack chart and we put him on the pressure. We're going to play football the way we do.
00:29:48
Nate
Yeah, but I want to clarify, I'm not asking for Stephen Kenny 2.0, like I'm not going all I want is to be the football.
00:29:48
killianginnity
And you make it work.
00:29:56
Nate
If we have to sit with eight players back for the next 10 years, but that's our vision and that's who we're going to recruit for, player-wise and managerial-wise, sign me up because you can get
00:30:10
killianginnity
Yeah, well there's a difference between playing pretty and that having somebody that has a system I think because like I think
00:30:16
Nate
But yeah, i i just I just want to play. I just want to play football matches to win now.
00:30:22
killianginnity
yeah
00:30:22
Nate
Not for my art, like not to impress me visually.
00:30:26
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:30:26
Nate
Do you know what I mean?
00:30:26
killianginnity
Cause I think, I think that ended up being like Kenny's safety net. I kind of going, Oh, but he can't criticize me. I'm trying to play good football. It's like, well, no, I can.
00:30:36
Nate
Well it turned into the back that people were hitting with, you know what I mean?
00:30:39
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:30:39
Nate
it took him from from a It started up with a crouch and it was what he was like, this is what we're doing, this is New Ireland, blah, blah, blah. And then it turned into the crouch that people started hitting them with. And it was like...
00:30:50
killianginnity
Yeah. Like when the results when results weren't going his way we because it's only not going our way because we're trying to play the good football.
00:30:51
Nate
ah
00:30:56
killianginnity
No. Well, this is where you adopt your player.
00:30:59
Nate
Yeah, and I'm at the point now where I feel like the FAI, although theyre they should have lost a lot of fans in terms of buying, I think they're at a very dangerous crossroad now.
00:31:11
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:31:15
Nate
And I think it's time that people can go watch the national team with a bit of hope that they're going to win and not hope that, oh, we looked good for the first 30 minutes, but got waxed over.
00:31:16
killianginnity
yeah
00:31:26
Nate
Do you know what I mean?
00:31:28
killianginnity
Oh, 100%.
00:31:29
Nate
like
00:31:31
killianginnity
The FAI needs ah not only a new approach to the hiring, but a new approach to how it's handled
00:31:31
Nate
it's
00:31:41
Nate
Like...
FAI's Management and Ticketing Policies
00:31:42
killianginnity
between matches.
00:31:42
Nate
It's...
00:31:42
killianginnity
like This whole selling multiple matches at once doesn't work.
00:31:43
Nate
Who's
00:31:47
killianginnity
Stop doing it. You're charging people too much for games that they ultimately don't want to go to. um that
00:31:53
Nate
calling me Jatsuk? Like, honestly, because it needs to be brought open, it needs to be discussed because you are, that is killing Irish football.
00:32:05
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:32:05
Nate
That decision. I would rather have less people in attendance at a Laffey again, but a packed-out Aviva for a France game, you know what I mean? Or a packed-out Aviva for Ireland versus Austria, where people go in with a bit of belief that they're going to win.
00:32:15
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:32:20
Nate
It's like,
00:32:20
killianginnity
But like, don't forget, they could even get but like more full stadiums, maybe not but with the amount, but bring the Irish team on tour, bring them down the country. Novelty alone will sell tickets.
00:32:33
Nate
But yeah, 100%, but they're very stern on this Aviva thing. But I think they need to realize they are kicking themselves in the ass twice by doing this. You're trying to get people to buy three tickets that they can't commit their time to, to go up to three matches in a row. Some of them aren't going to go to some of them, and then others aren't even going to buy the tickets.
00:32:55
killianginnity
Mm-hmm.
00:32:58
Nate
Like, you the do you see what I like see what i mean? we If each of them were separate, people would go, I can go to that, I'm gonna buy that ticket.
00:33:02
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:33:07
Nate
Like, it doesn't make sense.
00:33:08
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:33:09
Nate
Like, I don't understand how this gets brought over in meetings in the headquarters and go, you know what? You know what, Mark, that's a great idea. Like, yeah.
00:33:17
killianginnity
And it's not like you're getting a deal either.
00:33:18
Nate
Like, for whack, what's 170 quid for like the three nations they kiss?
00:33:19
killianginnity
It's full prices. You're just paying them all at once.
00:33:28
killianginnity
because I know when I was growing up, the only thing I could I'd have sleepless nights over the the Nations League like, you know.
00:33:35
Nate
Like, who was a hundred and seventy quid to go to three nation leagues here? Like, a better perspective.
00:33:39
killianginnity
No, like they're they're really forgetting the ultimate roots of football, which it being a working class game. Like like they're kind of going like how many kids now are going to miss out on getting to see their first Ireland match because of this decision?
00:33:47
Nate
Yeah.
00:33:55
Nate
Oh, a hundred.
00:33:55
killianginnity
which is going to impact a generation of potential footballers that we may not get now.
00:34:01
Nate
Hey guys, if you want to sell out the Aviva and look really good, how about we, yeah for, say, Ireland versus Finland, we knock the kids tickets down to a fiver and make the Addles 25. Like, I guarantee the Aviva will be looking quite nice then, but no.
00:34:16
killianginnity
do do deals with youth clubs like do a county by county view if you have to bloody 200 quid and your under 10s team gets to go the whole lot of them like yeah yeah
00:34:30
Nate
They're asking people to pay 56 quid to go watch Ireland versus Finland. A game that we'll probably lose to Finland, by the way. Where's the draw for people? like where
00:34:43
killianginnity
Teemu Pookie. Teemu Pookie? Is he know an awful majority?
00:34:46
Nate
I actually don't understand. like It's mind boggling. And I just think, like yeah, some alarm bells, serious alarm bells need to be going on in that place. so But yeah, it's just...
Potential New Managers
00:34:58
killianginnity
There is one man who may fit save it all and if if he was there I would pay any money to see him live because he's a very very handsome man which is Harvey Renard who has announced that he will be leaving the French women's team at the end of the Olympics and i don't We're not going to get him. I'm going to get my hopes up. I'm going to have my heart broken yet again, like I always do with Mark Cannon at Ireland. But just whatever he wants, whatever he wants, just give it to him.
00:35:24
Nate
putting your money where your mouth is. like but You know it's not happening though.
00:35:28
killianginnity
If he wants to have a house in dark, he give it to him. Just whatever it takes, build him a penthouse in the Aviva. like
00:35:38
killianginnity
Oh no, i oh no, my heart's gonna be broken, it's fine. <unk>ve I've already given given up on Happy.
00:35:43
Nate
like yeah He'll end up with Georgia to replace. and You know what I mean?
00:35:48
killianginnity
Now if that was to happen, aww.
00:35:50
Nate
And then Georgia will be looking great again. it's a
00:35:53
killianginnity
Don't you put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby. Dad, no.
00:35:56
Nate
I'm just saying, like that's what that's what's going to happen. like and Yes, mental. what What did you think of the Roy King comments about his dreams to manage Ireland?
00:36:07
killianginnity
I was not surprised by it. like Obviously with um him having conversations with Sunderland the last little while, and there was a dig about at Sunderland about and people wanting to have a chat just for the look of it. I firmly believe that was a dig at at the Sunderland management um once at Horrie in particular who made a kind of a not great comment about Kean in the most recent season of Sunderland Till I Die where he basically said yeah he'd be great for Netflix but he wouldn't be great for the team.
00:36:38
killianginnity
I think that was part of that.
00:36:38
Nate
Oh.
00:36:39
killianginnity
um i think it's I think everybody knew it's Kean's dream job. um It's any Irish person's dream job really if you're into football. um I think part of it is money and to be honest I think part of it as well is ah For somebody like Kean, the current setup seems to be looking to put too many ropes on them to try and keep train bring him on their track. And they seem to prefer to, kind of in an England sense, they want somebody that's a little bit more politically savvy, whereas Kean would go out and say what he thinks.
00:37:27
Nate
a I don't know what track the FAI are you on, but get me on the games track, that's all I'll say.
00:37:27
killianginnity
um
00:37:33
Nate
I would much rather have, like, get me Roy Keane tomorrow and you'll get him buying him from me. Get me Roy Keane tomorrow. Like, but people can say what they want about Roy Keane's magic career, but I know that guy will come in to win matches. Not to look good, he'll come in to win matches.
00:37:49
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:37:52
Nate
do you know what i mean and he'll give everything to it like he will like he he won't want to look or feel managing his country like his ego number one's too big for that and his pride's too big for that okay
00:37:53
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:38:03
killianginnity
Plus he's never, never accepted mediocrity.
00:38:07
Nate
Like me, like if does like if there's someone that I think could come in and actually do something, it would be him, just purely because, and I know people go, oh, it sounded a lot like ah when a, well, I'll do for a show, should I? But I think it makes logical sense, don't you?
00:38:26
killianginnity
Yeah. And to be honest, I think my my current, ah aside from Harvey Renard, my current first choice dream, it's not going to happen, but a um a man can wish would be an Ollie and Roy Keane.
00:38:40
Nate
Yeah.
00:38:41
killianginnity
Double top man set up for it. I think that'd be class.
00:38:44
Nate
Yeah, I don't think that will ever happen.
00:38:46
killianginnity
But ah like that would be dream scenario, best of both worlds, but have them not as an a manager and assistant as an actual co-coaches.
00:38:49
Nate
Yeah.
00:38:56
Nate
Yeah, 100%. Like, to be honest, like, I'm trying to think, if Roy King would come in, who would be his assistant? That's what I'm trying to think. No one jumps out at me.
00:39:06
killianginnity
he had He had Tommy Coughlin, I think was his i think think was Tommy Coughlin at Sunderland, who used to play for Ireland or had a couple of caps for the under one under-ages ones. um like He had a good Sunderland staff and I think some of them even went with him to ah I don't know if he can get the old band together but does he go and try and put the likes of a Steve Bruce or somebody of that ilk, a Ricky Spraga, getting the elder statesman to kind of come in and give him a hand?
00:39:47
Nate
I don't think so. It doesn't strike me as the person I would. I think...
00:39:55
killianginnity
Well, he again, he did a song on it.
00:39:58
Nate
Yeah, but...
00:39:58
killianginnity
He brought in these kind of lads to kind of, you know, these things I don't like Ricky Spraga. He brought in from. and who Who was a coach at United at the time, and he ended up actually replacing him, Tony Loughlin, not Tommy, Tony.
00:40:12
Nate
Yeah.
00:40:17
killianginnity
tony
00:40:18
Nate
Yeah, like.
00:40:19
killianginnity
and and also he had Bobby Saxton as well who ah I think he he was in and around so like he is willing to have older guys around and I think in the likes of an international game it'd be great like to be honest I wouldn't be I wouldn't have necessarily been surprised if if it was to happen and it for him to have Martin O'Neill as the assistant something a little bit like role reversal
00:40:53
Nate
Yeah, like, to be honest, this is what I think the FAI should do. Go to Keir, you know you're not going to have up from all the money to to get them, okay? I accept that. But you go, all right, you give up the Honda gigs on live TV where you can continue your overlap stuff.
00:41:14
killianginnity
Mm hmm.
00:41:14
Nate
No speaking about the direct team.
00:41:17
killianginnity
Mm hmm.
00:41:18
Nate
You can speak about football in general and um what goes into that. I think you take that.
00:41:26
killianginnity
Yeah, yeah, by ah be honest I even say no to all all of the live stuff, like just kind of go yeah do your meet
00:41:34
Nate
I just, I just, yeah, I just think time wise.
00:41:37
killianginnity
the But beyond a deal of kind of going, listen, we're bringing you in, we're showing we you the level of trust, do your media thing as long as it doesn't and interact with what you need to be doing.
00:41:47
Nate
Yeah.
00:41:48
killianginnity
like do it Like, you're a grown-up, go and do your job.
00:41:48
Nate
Like.
00:41:52
killianginnity
And that's where the likes of an assistant would be very important, because youre his assistant would then be effectively be the one going around and doing the checks. and But sure, if he's commentating on a game or doing punishment on a game, he's watching the game.
00:42:05
Nate
Yeah.
00:42:05
killianginnity
So, like, he to say he doesn't start prioritising once with Irish players in it.
00:42:06
Nate
Like, like look at hands on ITV, like it it makes zero sense for them to that be a stipulation for for for it not to be okay in the iron job. And I think that could be, ah that could be something that gets it over the line with, when you don't have ah the exact figure to get them in that job.
00:42:20
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:42:29
Nate
Like, Why aren't we out there trying to body so like why are we out there trying to get that? like I really don't understand.
00:42:38
killianginnity
To be honest, I think it makes too much sense to actually happen. And it's only depressing in me like to to continue to talk about it. So our Euro 2024 knockouts stand Spain versus Georgia, who will win.
Euro 2024 Knockout Stage Predictions
00:42:55
Nate
Spain. Spain was very impressive this year. It was a bit very impressive.
00:42:58
killianginnity
Yeah, I think ah Spain will, but I think Georgia will give them a good game.
00:43:01
Nate
I'm gonna have to go have to go France just to keep my hatred about him.
00:43:02
killianginnity
Germany versus Denmark.
00:43:06
killianginnity
Yeah. Portugal versus Slovenia.
00:43:11
killianginnity
Yeah. I think it'd be a very tight result.
00:43:17
killianginnity
Franz Belgium Connor versus Rob You got your flowers though Couple
00:43:27
Nate
and
00:43:30
Nate
Yeah, you know, I was right again. woo and I'd say, I'd say 1-0 in France.
00:43:35
killianginnity
of habit now Yeah, they haven't been impressive like I think they'll I think they'll get results but
00:43:38
Nate
They're dead, but don't think they're going to win it.
00:43:48
killianginnity
I think it's going to be a struggle for them to win it.
00:43:50
Nate
Yeah, they don't look good at all.
00:43:53
killianginnity
Romania, Netherlands.
00:43:57
Nate
Nederlands, but Nederlands didn't look, i then i killing anyone against the knockout round, like Nederlands B throw any, I think just too much of a goal for there.
00:43:59
killianginnity
Romania?
00:44:09
Nate
But I would agree that the Nederlands didn't look good, but I do think it's fixable.
00:44:10
killianginnity
i'm I'm not sure.
00:44:17
Nate
I think they're just lacking that one little, I watched the game and like the build up looked good. I think they're just lacking that bit of firepower. But I think if that connects, they're good.
00:44:27
killianginnity
Yeah, I just don't trust Coleman to react to it.
00:44:31
Nate
Well, they were they were playing a game. and They played a game the day after their last match against the 4th Division German side.
00:44:39
killianginnity
Again, is that clever?
00:44:41
Nate
Yeah, I do i don't think it is.
00:44:44
killianginnity
The the only only like the only thing is like Romania have topped their group, so I think it's going to be closer to a flip of a coin than it's going to be a convincing if they do win.
00:44:53
Nate
I think it convinced us.
00:44:55
killianginnity
Austria-Turkey.
00:44:57
Nate
Oh, sure.
00:44:58
killianginnity
They've been very impressive, haven't they?
00:44:59
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:00
killianginnity
Very, very good.
00:45:00
Nate
so But people buying into a system. Who knew that works? Jesus.
00:45:07
killianginnity
Certainly not also in Ireland. um England, Slovakia.
00:45:10
Nate
sir
00:45:15
killianginnity
Genuinely, it is an off moment.
00:45:16
Nate
Yeah.
00:45:17
killianginnity
It's got to go on like.
00:45:17
Nate
Like I could see a couple of penalties like I really could.
00:45:20
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:45:20
Nate
I think getting the win, I just like, oh, they've been so bad.
00:45:27
killianginnity
Yeah, I think it's gonna be, it'll be a win. It'll be horrific to watch. I don't think it'll go to penalties, but possibly extra time. And then Switzerland, Italy.
00:45:42
Nate
I could see Switzerland with her, but I do think Italy will.
00:45:46
killianginnity
Yeah, i I'm kind of the same. I know i know what you mean where it's not kind of like um on the day.
00:45:51
Nate
Yeah, Italy, I would rather press, you know.
00:45:51
killianginnity
Yeah, they could just, Yeah, like there's been no, no standout. Like I'm loving the fact that all of the big teams have been crap.
00:46:02
Nate
Yeah.
00:46:03
killianginnity
Like. Spain have been very good and they haven't been dominating. Germany have been very good and they haven't been dominating. The 5-1 belied the rest of the game. um France like failing to deceive. ah Portugal lost 2-0 to Georgia just now. You can't say that they've been very good.
00:46:26
Nate
of Have scored a goal or have they all been on goals?
00:46:26
killianginnity
They've been fine.
00:46:32
Nate
Like a penalty was it?
00:46:32
killianginnity
No, and did Mbappe not score?
00:46:36
killianginnity
a I'm not sure if it was a penalty, but it was in the last game anyway.
00:46:39
Nate
I swear like most of their goals they're on goals.
00:46:40
killianginnity
yeah He got one goal.
00:46:44
killianginnity
In fairness, I think one of the top goal scorers in the competition is own goals. Also, while we're talking about goals, Lewandowski, grow up, that penalty against France, Grow up. He did the stutter which I thought was banned after 2012 when Ronaldo popularised it.
00:47:05
Nate
No, it's the Brito Special, pal.
00:47:08
killianginnity
No, no.
00:47:09
Nate
Yeah.
00:47:09
killianginnity
Did you see it? He he stuttered.
00:47:11
Nate
The Skippity, Skippity Hop.
00:47:13
killianginnity
He skibbity-toileted it. He did a little stutter, and then he went close to the ball, and then did another stutter. And then he was whinging about Mike Manion being off his line.
00:47:23
Nate
It's just
00:47:23
killianginnity
And then the rep ref bought that and made him retake it, and then he got the score. Doing the stutter again. This is a 34-year-old father. That is... No.
00:47:33
Nate
It's,
00:47:33
killianginnity
He shouldn't... Barcelona should actually dock him a week's wages. I don't care. If you're a milkman, you should get a week's wages docked if you're doing that on a five-a-side. That is not good.
00:47:42
Nate
is it just proves this levels the penalties, like, do you know what I mean? Some players, some players, Bruno Fernandez has that aura to now do the Skippity Hop and scored 99% of the time.
00:47:48
killianginnity
and he stooped to the lowest one.
00:47:57
killianginnity
and well see know
00:47:57
Nate
Other players don't, other players don't, and that's fine, that's fine.
00:48:00
killianginnity
Now, this was my understanding of the rule, though, is you're you're allowed to slow down.
00:48:01
Nate
so
00:48:06
killianginnity
You're allowed to do your little jump. That's fine. And that's what Bruno.
00:48:08
Nate
Yeah.
00:48:10
killianginnity
This was an actual stop and start twice. And he did the same thing on the second party. I don't know how is actually allowed because this is meant to have been stopped years ago. So it shouldn't have counted as far as I'm concerned. France should have won and should have should have been in a better place in their group.
00:48:29
Nate
I'm sick of penalties getting brought back for the goal keeper being off the line.
00:48:33
killianginnity
Yeah, it's a joke.
00:48:35
Nate
off the line makes zero difference, I can assure you. if you're If you're an elite player taking a penalty, you should be slotting it in the top of the bins there is.
Issues with Modern Penalty Rules
00:48:44
Nate
Do you know what I mean?
00:48:44
killianginnity
I'm pretty sure it's Jimmy Corcoran, who I think his family is actually from Keles, but he used to play for Preston. He was that young Irish goalkeeper. Do you remember he was one of the first people that was penalized for coming off his line?
00:48:59
Nate
Oh, yeah.
00:49:02
killianginnity
We should have renowned then that was going to ruin everything.
00:49:02
Nate
It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. Like, why can't you take one step?
00:49:10
killianginnity
Yeah.
00:49:10
Nate
Like, what's the difference? Like, honestly, what's the difference?
00:49:12
killianginnity
Like, especially when the, like, when the player is in motion, like they're about to kick the ball.
00:49:16
Nate
Yeah. da
00:49:17
killianginnity
What, what difference can I make then?
00:49:21
Nate
mental ah sorry
00:49:22
killianginnity
But one, one thing I have to say about the tournament that I have been impressed with is the, um, the semi auto, uh, offsides. I think they've been very good.
00:49:31
Nate
Yeah, agreed, agreed.
00:49:33
killianginnity
Like.
00:49:33
Nate
I thought, I thought it was funny that the one VA slip up came from a Premier League ref.
00:49:38
killianginnity
Oh, it's such a joke like if that if that does not prove everything we've been saying that viral is not the problem, it's the English.
00:49:40
Nate
and
00:49:46
Nate
See fans of other leagues, we are not mourning for no reason.
00:49:50
killianginnity
Yeah, yeah, you you have seen it on the international stage.
00:49:53
Nate
There's currently other of him that make the same mistake every week as well.
00:49:57
killianginnity
Like, genuinely, how can they be paid as much and have as much money?
00:50:02
Nate
ah
00:50:03
killianginnity
Like, Howard Webb is not doing it for the goodness of his heart. How can you be getting this all wrong when there's other leagues that are getting fractions of the money, doing it to a better standard?
00:50:09
Nate
great
00:50:13
Nate
we We actually need to talk about whether it's like an on-screen thing like
00:50:19
killianginnity
is our Are the Premier League football's version of the w WWE that they are borderline scripting it just to make it in the news every week.
00:50:29
Nate
ah let's just say kidding I wouldn't be shocked if that came out.
00:50:34
killianginnity
Vince McMahon is actually.
00:50:35
Nate
That's where we are. That's where we are football right now. like I would not be surprised.
00:50:41
killianginnity
Oh, it's it's just it's it's it's actually very, very depressing. um But nice.
00:50:48
Nate
Funny out of the thing.
00:50:51
killianginnity
It is. It
Closing Remarks on Euro 2024
00:50:52
killianginnity
is. It is very amusing, but nice. That kind of brings us to the end of the group stages of the Euros. I've been enjoying it so far.
00:51:00
Nate
Yeah, me too.
00:51:01
killianginnity
i'm I'm very excited for the round of 16 and the rest of the knockouts to see who will be champions of Europe.
00:51:07
Nate
Porginal.
00:51:10
killianginnity
um
00:51:13
killianginnity
ah i I wish I had confidence in any team right now.
00:51:17
Nate
Huh.
00:51:18
killianginnity
And that's one of the reasons I'm enjoying it so much is because any team seems like they could grind out results.
00:51:23
Nate
Yeah.
00:51:24
killianginnity
um Thanks very much for joining me this evening.
00:51:26
Nate
Appreciate it.
00:51:27
killianginnity
I will well be doing more lives. ah So do keep an eye on our socials for when we're doing live watchlongs and more reactionary podcasts and they will only increase as we get deeper into the tournament. So we'll chat you again soon.
00:51:42
Nate
Bye.