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37. Psychedelics and Investing with Adam Tubero
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Adam is an avid psychonaut with massive experiential knowledge in the psychedelic space. He runs a YouTube Channel called Psychedelic Invest, where he discusses Biotech companies and gives advice on investing in the psychedelic financial space, as well as other psychedelic related content. This conversation was so much fun, and we go pretty deep on psychedelic substances and how we use them, so I do have to preface this conversation by saying that anything we discuss is not medical or recreational advice, and is for entertainment, education, and harm reduction purposes only.
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Introduction to Adam Tabarro and Psychedelics
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Hello and welcome to Pursuit of Infinity. In this week's episode, we welcome Adam Tabarro. Adam is an avid psychonaut with massive experiential knowledge in the psychedelic space. He runs a YouTube channel called Psychedelic Invest, which can also be found at psychedelicinvest.com, where he discusses biotech companies and gives advice on investing in the psychedelic financial space, as well as other psychedelic-related content.
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This conversation was so much fun and we go pretty deep on psychedelic substances and how we use them.
Disclaimer and Podcast Support
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So I do have to preface this conversation by saying that anything we discuss is not medical or recreational advice and is for entertainment, education and harm reduction purposes only.
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Adam's Early Psychedelic Experiences
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And with that for the delay, thank you so much for listening and please help me welcome to the show, Adam Tabarro.
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Adam, welcome to the show, man. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, dude. Something I've been thinking about recently in the space is psychedelics. It seems like there's two sorts of approaches to the space, one being mostly from people who have an experiential background and they approach it in a freedom of consciousness type of aspect, and the other being that of the biotech and investment background.
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And one of the reasons i wanted to talk to you was because you have expertise in both so which of these happened first for you was it your experiences that. Intrigue enough to start your journey of investment or was it the other way around.
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So in terms of like, so it's, it's experienced what led the way for, for everything basically. So, uh, essentially, um, I got into finance, uh, like beef, I wasn't even into biotech or psychedelics weren't even a sector in, in, uh, finance at that point when I got into it originally. Um, I just kind of fell into it out of college, but in regards to psychedelics,
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Um, yeah, it was very experiential and, uh, essentially just ice at a young age. Um, I want to say like.
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probably 18, I had like my first Shroom experience, realized like, I was like, whoa, this is wild. Like, I mean, there's more background info here in terms of like, I was diagnosed with like severe ADD and I was always medicated growing up. So like from kindergarten till like about 10th grade, I was, I was on Adderall, concert, all every, every stimulant that the under the sun that they would give kids with ADD.
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And, uh, I don't, it didn't do, it didn't do right by me. I didn't like it at all. Um, and then I guess coming out of high school, I started like trying to figure myself out. Like, like, who am I? Um, cause I just, I just never had that growing up. Like my sense of identity. I feel like everyone kind of grows into it, but I didn't have the motivation or the sense of identity. And I was like, what is, who am I? What am I? I'm lost. I was like completely lost.
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Uh, and then my friends were like, Oh, we got shrooms. Let's try them. And I was like, fuck yeah, dude, let's do it. So we, we did, we did it. And then from that moment, uh, I just realized like from my first, uh, like shroom experience, I realized like there's something here and I need to keep going.
Preference and Potential of DMT
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Um, because like I got some answers within myself, but I didn't get everything yet. It was my first experience. And once again, also I feel like.
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your intentions before going into a psychedelic experience matter so much. And I was so young and naive that it was just about fun. Um, so, but that was like kind of what lit the fuse. It was just like this experience. This is amazing.
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And I need to explore this more. And then it quickly jumped to DMT very, very like I had friends who like loved love fish. They went on fish tour. And like that was like, psychedelics were the thing like for doing that. And they were my friends, I would go and I like hang out with them. And then so DMT was the one that kicked the door down for me at a very young age. I did it with my friend for the first time. And it was the first time in my entire life I felt like
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Complete and out of it like something was missing from my life for a really long time And then DMT for some reason made me feel whole it was temporarily temporary But it happened and once I saw that it can happen It just gave me this whole different perspective on how I wanted to go about I guess researching and experimenting with psychedelics Is DMT like your go-to like is that really the one that just takes you to the place that you like really want to go that gives you all that knowledge and information you're seeking and
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Yeah. So like DMT is 150% my psychedelic of choice. Uh, I've been working with it for like a really long time now, probably like, I want to say close to like 15, 16 years now. Um, and.
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There's I don't like I actually had a conversation with someone about this today. We were talking about how he was pushing back like I think my opinion. So this is my opinion on psychedelic biotech. So everyone's focused on shrooms and psilocybin right now and I hear that and I agree with that. It's going to kick the door down.
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But when it comes to therapeutic benefits, my opinion is DMT has the highest ceiling for therapeutic benefits for psychedelic biotech companies in terms of how you can package it. It's a, it's a seven to 15 minute experience. It could be like 20 minutes, depending on how much of a breakthrough you have, maybe even longer sometimes. Um, and it's in terms of.
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dealing with, let's say, treatment-resistant depression, generalized anxiety disorder, PTSD, it can have life-changing effects on that with just one breakthrough session. So yes, DMT was the one, is the one. I still work with it. I love it. It's the best, in my opinion. Yeah, I owe everything to DMT, to be honest.
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I'm so glad you said that because to me, I feel the same way, like therapeutically. Um, and even like someone who's just getting into psychedelics for the first time, I feel like DMT is the perfect psychedelic because like you said, it's so short acting. I mean, I've, I've had experiences that were three minutes long, you know, and it's, that's the perfect entryway. In my opinion, you can just give somebody a quick experience and then they can understand sort of what this psychedelic space is about. And.
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That brings me to the question about biotech and these companies. Are any of them heavily investing in research regarding DMT or is it pretty much just all psilocybin MDMA?
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That's a great question. So there is a ton, a ton of research going into DMT and like, so once again, I have this conversation with somebody today who's on Reddit. Uh, and the guy, I basically, it was just like, I make, I post on Shroom stocks. Uh, like I'll post like some things. I posted this thing about DMT and I get my opinion on it. I was basically like, uh, I, in my opinion, DMT has the highest therapeutic ceiling. It's perfect. Whatever, whatever.
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Uh, and the pushback was, he was like, he was like, I don't think it has therapeutic purposes. I think it's just recreational. It was, he said more than that, but that was kind of the vibe. So immediately, obviously I pushed back and I was like, listen, no, blah, blah, blah. Listen, everything is anecdotal right now. But I mean, there are also trials where they're proving like, uh,
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GH Research is a publicly traded company that's focused on 5-MeO DMT. And I know they have some pants on NMDMT, but their big thing that they are focused on is just 5-MeO DMT. So for those who are unfamiliar with 5-MeO, that's the one that you get from the frog, 5-Methoxy. And it's very similar to NN dimethyltryptamine. NN dimethyltryptamine is the typical
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DMT that we do that that Street DMT that everyone's getting it's Extracted from the mimosa has still a spark like you can get it from Brazil. You can buy it online it's extracted from there and It's that's basically what that's the DMT most people are doing. It's NN dimethyl tryptamine so the experience in this is between N and DMT and 5meo are similar but very
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Different. NMD, uh, 5MEO DMT happens to be like a more of a much more intense experience. Where in my experience, NNDMT happens to be, um, more, it can be more playful and like funny even. And like I said, it like has a sense of humor. Um,
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And obviously at higher dosages, it can be extremely, extremely intense, uh, like breakthrough doses, dosages. And like, it can lead to ego death. It can be kind of scary for people sometimes, but also once again, ego death experiences when you let go are some of the most profound in any, in every, anyone's life. And they happen with every psychedelic at, at specific dosages. So to getting back to the question that you asked to get back to that. So GH research is a company pouring, pouring money into 5MEO DMT and DMT in
Biotech Investments in Psychedelics
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general.
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They're also one of the publicly traded biotech, psychedelic biotech companies with the most institutional backing.
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Um, so that's pretty significant. We have another company called small pharma. So they have all these patents on NMD there, they're an NDMT. So focusing on an endomethyl tryptamine, their whole goal is to have clinics that are offering an NDMT. And I love that idea because imagine, so listen, anyway, like I'm going to go back and forth between my perspectives. Cause I have the invest, the investing perspective, which is just.
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what I've learned over the years and this is kind of my job what I do and then I have the psychonauts perspective which is I don't need to go to a clinic I do DMT at home all the time it's not an issue for me.
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So, but for many people, they want to do DMT in like a supervised professional setting. And I get that they want to have these clinics where they offer DMT. And I think that's so cool because imagine just popping into a clinic for your DMT session, because like, let's say you're having like you're in a rut or you're like, let's say you have depressive symptoms coming up, anxiety, whatever it is.
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You go in within like an hour, you're in and out and you're, you're back into your day. Now with something like psilocybin, you're, if you, depending on the dosage, micro dosages, you can micro dosing, you can, I can work on a micro dose, but it all depends on someone's experience. But in general.
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Um, I wouldn't want to do like higher doses of shrooms and try to be functional for the rest of the day. Whereas DMT you can. So sorry to get back to the question. Yes. Small Pharma is another one of them. They're doing DMT clinics. Cybin, uh, is working on a deuterated form of DMT. So deuteration is just a way of extending the half-life of DMT. So let's say right now it's lasting, uh, maximum 20 minutes, 15 minutes.
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they can probably increase that window maybe to thirty forty five minutes i think that would be incredible i know of people who have done like, consistent i've been of the empty in a professional setting and they compare those experiences to like,
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I can't imagine what that's like. Because if you've had a breakthrough DMT experience, imagine extending that further than the window that it is. That sounds like it would be tremendous. So small pharma, Cybin is working on deuterated DMT. Tylife Sciences, one of the bigger biotech companies in the sector. They're working on, I actually just spoke about this yesterday.
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So with a company called Intel Genex. So Intel Genex does these, um, these, you know what Listerine breast strips.
00:13:22
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Yeah. So basically he's one of the creators, creators of that. He started a biotech company and basically they have these strips, these dissolvable strips that you can put medicine on. They skip first pass digestion. So it's kind of like an injection goes right to your bloodstream and you get faster onset. Um, you get to skip first pass digestion. You can lower the doses dosages because of that. There's just a lot of benefits to it. So a tie basically, uh, partnered with them. They own 25% of that company.
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And they're like putting, they're putting DMT on one of these strips. I love that. So why do I love that? Because right now, if you want to ingest DMT, you have to mix it with MAO inhibitors. So if you guys aren't familiar with MAO inhibitors, MAOIs, um, they're extracted naturally, usually from Syrian rule, uh, harmala, harmoline. Um, and what you have, and like, like the most, the way people are exposed to them usually, uh, like for the.
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Like the newer gen of Psychonauts is through ayahuasca experiences. So when someone gives you ayahuasca, you're essentially taking a mixture of two different things. The active ingredient in one of the things is DMT and NDMT, what we're just talking about. And the other active ingredient is MAOIs. So you combine the two, you ingest them and you get your ayahuasca experiences. Now what a lot of people don't know,
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Is that if you just take extracted DMT and you eat MAO inhibitors, you don't need the whole concoction for the ayahuasca. But listen, I am not like, um, anyone who's down with ceremonies, like do you, I'm with that, whatever, whatever it's fine. Like I totally get all perspectives around the way you want in just psychedelics.
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But you can also do it with NNDMT and MAOIs and you get an ayahuasca experience. It's actually called Farmahuasca. So it's just very interesting. So to make this response shorter, there is a ton of money going into DMT. Even more, in my opinion,
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It's actually one of the psychedelic, I'm impressed with the amount of money that's going into DMT, like very pleasantly surprised. I wasn't expecting this much awareness around DMT and I'm stoked to see it. Yeah, it's amazing. There's a company called DMTX where they're experimenting with intravenous DMT. And what they're doing is sort of like adjusting the dosages so that they can keep you in there for as long as they want and sort of like adjust the intensity. It's just amazing.
00:15:55
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I want to do that at some point in my life. Like that is, that is a life goal of mine to be able to, if I can extend it to like an hour, 45 minutes, I, that would, I just want to try it. I just want to see what it is, but I love that. I love that. I haven't heard of DMTX. Are they publicly traded or is it just a company that that's, that's out there that's doing this? It's just a company that's out there. I believe Andrew Gallimore is part of it. And Daniel McQueen, if you've heard of him,
00:16:25
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Can I reach out to them? I'm sure you can, right? That's what I'm wondering. Like, where are these trials at? Where can I get ahold of these people? Oh, my God. That would be so cool. That would be so cool. Yeah, it's crazy. So transitioning a little bit to the investment portion of it and some of these companies. So one thing that I've been thinking a lot about is the legality of psychedelics and
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It seems to me that a lot of these companies will and are benefiting from psychedelics being illegal Because of like patent situations do you agree with that and if not or if you do can you talk a little bit about that?
00:17:08
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So essentially like in regards so they basically there won't be able to patent Anything that's already out there discovers. So like LSD 25 LSD not getting
Impact of Legal Status on Research
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patented. It's out there It is what it is any of shulkin's molecules tryptamines not getting patented and that's there's like many many of them and
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So, but what they are pant panting is they're, they're taking like, like I said, mentioned with Cybin, the way they patented DMT is by deuterating it. So now they add, they've, they've deuterated the DMT and now they have the patent for that. And they're also doing deuterated psilocybin. So they find the, these biotic companies are going to find all these other ways.
00:17:49
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to patent things in order to get to block. Patents are basically used to just block other people from using it. So they're going to do that. And like the legality, the legal situation around it, I guess it definitely has hindered the research over time. So that I guess more stuff is it wasn't discovered and readily available.
00:18:15
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But at the same time, there is so much that is, I'm a little torn on that to be honest, because I definitely do think that we should have access to all of this easily. Like it rubs me the wrong way knowing that there are going to be biotech companies charging whatever they're going to charge for DMT therapy. And it's probably not going to be cheap.
00:18:38
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Like we, we see the way big pharma is doing things in general. It's not going to be cheap. These clinics right now, if you're going to them, they're not cheap and it sucks. But the other side of that is knowing where, with knowing the society we live in and being like,
00:19:02
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At the end of the day, my belief is that people need to get access to psychedelics. And if that's going to be how it happens, then it is what it is. Um, but I'm definitely torn on that. Like it's, it's odd. It's a weird feeling. Um, it's a very weird feeling. Like I want as many people in this world to try DMT as possible. I think it would change. It would change things for the better. DMT makes you feel so connected with people.
00:19:29
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And, uh, it's just so interesting. Also just psychedelics in general, I'm sorry, just to speak in the form of DMT like LSD, psilocybin, um, other research chemicals. Uh, like I talk about this often on my channel too, like, uh,
00:19:44
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of 4-H-O-M-E-T or 4-H-O-M-I-P-T. Really interesting psychedelics, the tryptamines. Tryptamines are my favorite type of psychedelic, full stop. And basically, it's like a mixture of MDMA
00:20:01
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shrooms. It's like if they had a baby and that baby was like a psychedelic MDMA baby. It's a really cool, a really cool psychedelic to try. Highly recommend anyone try it at some point in their life. 4 H O M E T or 4 H O M I P T called my person. Um, and it's just interesting. If you've done MDMA, you know about like the calm down and stuff like that. You don't get any of that. There's no hangover cause it's a psychedelic. It's just really, really, really interesting. And then, so like, anyway, to get back to what you're saying, it's,
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The biotech companies that are going to be padding stuff now, they definitely are benefiting from the legality of it because it's hindered the research. But now that they're doing this research, well, they are going to be discovering all these new psychedelic molecules and it's going to definitely forward the research, but I just wonder how much it's going to cost people to get access to this.
00:21:00
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Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. What did you say that one was called that you just mentioned? That's like the one I really like it's for h o m i p t my person or for h o m e t. So like there's this whole underground community like of research chemicals like it's it sounds weird like research chemicals, but it's basically just psychedelics.
00:21:20
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It's psychedelics and other stuff. I only focus on the psychedelic part of it, but it's basically like you're like throughout my life, this has been a constant in my life, but you get access to psychedelics that you never heard of before. A lot of them you'll find in Shulgin's books actually, so in Tickle.
00:21:41
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the book on tryptamines, you can get a lot of those psychedelics. Obviously it's not from like some FDA approved biotech company, but you can get them and you can experience them. And they are, there is so much like the scope when it comes to psychedelics and the different things that they can yield, like
00:22:02
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for beginners, you don't even know. Like you don't even know. Uh, and it's so exciting. Um, so I'm hoping that through the legalization of hopefully shrooms, I know it's probably going to start off just being medicinally legal. I'm hoping that more States are going to essentially make psychedelics legal. Like I'll give you a good example. So New York, I didn't think they would, and I don't think they have plans over, they haven't talked about any plans. I live in New York for the, for the viewers. Um,
00:22:31
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But we have all these dispensaries, like illegal dispensaries, because we don't have that. We were recreationally legal here for marijuana in New York right now, but they have been dragging their feet in terms of letting dispensaries open up.
Comparing Psychedelics and Misconceptions
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So what that means is they've given these companies, given these like essentially these head shops that can sell hemp that said sold CBD stuff. They're like, yeah, you could just sell weed until the dispensaries open up.
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So they're doing that and they're also selling psychedelics. And the cool part is the police in New York aren't doing, they don't care about psychedelics at all. They, excuse me, they're not, they're not going to these stores and not shutting them down. They're like, all right.
00:23:13
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No one's hurting anyone. So the psychedelics. So the vibe is my vibe or at least the hope, hopefully this will happen. It seems that the cops don't see psychedelics as too much of a threat. Um, there, it's going to be like carried along with weed and in some ways there, the, the sectors, the, I, the, they're, they're congruent with each other, weed and psychedelics.
00:23:34
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Um, and I'm hoping that states do flip legal, uh, and then we'll have stuff that maybe these biotech companies have done. The research can sell them like in a recreational way. That would be even more incredible.
00:23:48
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Yeah. I mean, just like the freedom to be able to experience these things without that like built in fear of, uh, you know, being arrested and getting in trouble because I think that at least like for me, like when I take a psychedelic, um, and what I experienced with mostly is mushrooms. I've been working with mushrooms for about five years, so not too long.
00:24:10
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Um, but a lot of my early experiences, especially there was this like baseline level of beer, just because of, um, all of the imprinting and programming that we've been given, uh, saying, you know, these drugs are poisoning you and you know, they're highly illegal. Um, and I think that's a big, a big problem. And I'm hoping, like you said, that the legality of it changes a bit and we can get past some of that so we can start having some of these beautiful transformative experiences.
00:24:38
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Yeah, dude. I mean, the stigma behind psychedelics is really a bummer. Um, so like I've, I've always been pretty like, I wouldn't say reckless, but, but like daring when it comes to like experimenting with, with things like from a young age, uh, I was like, I was just super curious about like, just obviously psychedelics became what it was, but I was just like, I just want to try and just have different experiences.
00:25:04
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Um, and the, yeah, the stigma, the built in fear that we have in regards to psychedelics. So I work with a lot of people, uh, with psychedelics, uh, in New York. And like, I have all these people coming up who come up to me and they're like, they asked me about psychedelics. They're interested. They want to try it, blah, blah, blah. And they're basically like, I have like friends who've never tried psychedelics who want to have like second try it with me. They're like, we trust you. We'll do it with you or whatever. And I'm like,
00:25:31
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But there's the way I read them and when I'm seeing them, they're so scared. Like you tell some people about DMT and they're like, Holy shit, are you doing crack? What? Oh my God, I can't believe DMT. Oh my God. And it's like, and then you, and then they do it. And then they're like, okay, that's not what I thought it was at all.
00:25:55
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And then you're like, yeah, exactly. Or they'll do shrooms or LSD. Oh, LSD. The funniest one because acid, everyone's always like, yo, LSD. That's so dangerous. Oh my God. It's going to be in your spine, which is what I don't know what they're talking about. Um, and like flashbacks of psychedelic experiences are a thing, but it's not, it's like just a memory. It's not like some weird flashback you're having of being, it's like,
00:26:20
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For example, if you're listening to music and you're on a psychedelic and you listen to that song again, you have that imprinted in you and then you'll remember the experience. It happens with emotions. It happens when you're dating a girl. It happens with everything. We're sentimental beings. We attach sentiment to memories.
00:26:36
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So LSD is just the funniest one because people are just like, Oh my God, LSD. And they're like, Oh, so I have people asking me all the time. They're like, I've never tried psychedelics before. What psychedelics do you recommend? I start with every time I'm like LSD and like, what? Not shrooms. I was like, no LSD. I was like, why? And like, honestly, because if you do.
00:26:59
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Like, like low dose shrooms. Fine. Like if you're doing one gram of shrooms, that's fine. But the dosages that are usually recommended for newcomers, which are totally off in my opinion are usually an eighth, but like do an eighth by yourself. I don't, I think that's too much for a first timer. Um, but one tab of LSD is LSD is just the headspace is lighter.
00:27:24
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It's not as, it can be introspective, but it's not as introspective as shrooms. Shrooms can get you really emotional too. And shrooms can be slightly unpredictable sometimes, at least in my experiences.
00:27:41
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They can be, it's like, there's, there's like this wildcard aspect to shrooms and like, it's funny though. So like I could actually build on what I'm saying right now, uh, the wildcard aspect to shrooms. I always attributed that to the fact that they're grown in the wilds. And like, there are these variables that might not be accounted for when it comes from like just batch to batch to batch, like wherever you're getting it, wherever it's growing, whatnot.
00:28:04
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So to build on this, I just spoke about 4-H-O-M-I-P-T. So there was another trip to Maine called 4ACODMT. So it's essentially a psilocin. It's a prodrug of psilocin. So basically psilocybin, you eat it and it essentially converts to psilocin in your stomach and in your body. And then that's what gives you the psychedelic experience. So 4ACODMT is
00:28:30
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is like, it just more easily converts to the active ingredient in psilocybin. Um, but since it's made in a lab, you take out the variable of like the entourage effects, so to speak, with the other things that come with psilocybin. I love for ACODMT for micro dosing. It is, I, at this point I prefer it to natural shrooms. Like I do, I have my own micro dosing protocol for myself. I do only for ACODMT. Um,
00:28:58
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It's, it lasts, it doesn't last as long as shrooms. It lasts, I would say like, in my experiences, it lasts about five hours, uh, where shrooms can push, can push like six to seven.
00:29:11
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Um, in my experiences, this can vary from person to person. Um, on the come up, there is no anxiety for me where with shrooms, I've, I've usually noticed some anxiety, but I will say that that could also be cause like just your, where you're at in your head prior to doing the psychedelic.
00:29:32
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But it's just, it's just, like I said, it's just building on that. It's just very interesting. I like for ACO DMT a lot. Uh, the, and you get more closed eye visuals with for ACO DMT. So with shrooms, you'll look at stuff and it'll look like it's kind of like breathing. If you do enough, like you get like these, these enhancements to your vision.
00:29:53
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Uh, you'll get visuals with four ACO DMT, but you get where it really hits you is closed eye visuals. You will get these closed eye visuals that are pretty interesting. Um, and yeah, it's just different. Uh, I, I, I lost track of the question that was asked, but that's sorry, my brain will just go where it goes and when it comes to talking psychedelic. I love it though. It's perfect, man. Um, so for ACO and some of these other, these, is that a research chemical as well?
00:30:20
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Uh, so for, yeah, so these were all, uh, tryptamines that were discovered by Alexander Shulgan and his wife. Um, and they're basically, yes, you, you, you're not usually going to go to your black market shrimp dealer and be like, yo, can I get some for ACO? But the interesting part is if you've ever had one up bars, those level level up one up bars, you know, I'm talking about the shrimp bars. I've seen the shrimp bars, but I haven't seen like the exact ones you're talking about. So.
00:30:48
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The majority of those are using for ACO DMT majority. Like I want to say probably like 80% use for ACO DMT and no one even knows because it's so much cheaper than actually using shrooms and it tastes better. So idea.
00:31:04
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty interesting. So like, it's just like that. It's just a really, so a lot of people have done for ACO DMT and they haven't even realized it. They just said it would just be like, Oh, that was a shrimp shrimp trip, but it probably wasn't. If you're doing, if you ever viewers, if you've ever done those one up bars, chances are you have tried for ACO DMT. Just saying.
00:31:26
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You know, it's funny one time, a long, long time ago, a friend of mine got these Tootsie rolls and they, they were wrapped up in the Tootsie roll paper and everything. They were like, they looked real legit. And he said, there's psilocybin in here and we all ate them. And I think like that seems like that may have been, uh, you said for ACO, right? That's what it's called for ACO DMT. Yeah. I think that may have been it because it felt like very different.
00:31:55
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But the same in a weird way, like it seems brighter, lighter, uh, more fun. Is that, does that sound some like kind of what it's like, maybe a little bit of a lighter experience as opposed to like how you were talking about earlier, how mushrooms can get very introspective and emotional.
00:32:12
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So I will say this, I will say
Managing Nausea and Anxiety
00:32:15
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yes. And I will also say no to that. So let me elaborate. Basically, um, it's, everything is obviously dose, dose dependent. Everything psychedelics is doing everything with drugs in life is dose dependent. So, uh, with psychedelics, especially.
00:32:30
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So in regards to for SEO, yes, I agree with you. Uh, it's, it's much with shrooms. Once again, there are variables that are not accounted for. You can eat a couple of caps of shrooms and they can be very potent and you don't even realize it. You don't know with for SEO DMT, you know exactly how much you're getting because it's all in a powder. It's all what it is. And you can measure it out now.
00:32:51
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In terms of like, so I would say like a 30 milligram. So just 30 milligram of four ACO DMT powder is the equivalent of about an eighth of psilocybin mushrooms. So at those same dosages, you can get pretty introspective on four ACO DMT. I will tell you, I actually, I had a, so my favorite group in the world, uh, was playing a show, um, a call like two weeks ago.
00:33:20
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And I was like, if I'm going to see music, I don't really like to go out and drink too much. Don't get me wrong, I'll go out, I'll have some drinks. It's not something I don't do, but I really, really like this group so much. And they don't tour the United States ever. It's like the first time coming to the United States in like five years, probably more.
00:33:40
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Uh, and I was like, yo, all right, this has got to be special experience for me. So I made myself a, like a high dose batch of four ACO DMT. Uh, and I mixed it with a little bit of the MAO inhibitors. Um, so MAO inhibitors, what they'll do, if you mix them with psilocybin, four ACO DMT, like usually psychedelics.
00:33:58
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Um, not LSD don't ever mix for it. It don't mix. Like I know I'm giving you guys like a crash course in this right now. I don't know how experienced the viewers are, but you're getting like this crash course, but in general, um, you don't want to MAO eyes and LSD, they won't have an effect. They're not, um, synergistic.
00:34:16
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But, so example, I mixed MAOIs with 4ACO DMT. Um, and what MAOIs will do with 4ACO DMT, even psilocybin, in my experience, it will extend the experience and it makes the come up really, really smooth. So MAOIs in themselves are kind of like psychedelic ish. Um, so it's, it's just like. Kind of like.
00:34:43
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You never, you ever spoke weed when you're on shrooms or something like that. It's like a lesser version of that. Um, depending obviously on your tolerance for weed. Um, but so I mixed it too. I went to the show and I took it. It was about, it was about like, I want to say I did like 25 milligrams. So equivalent close to like.
00:35:03
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an eighth of shrooms. And the band is playing and it's amazing. But then all of a sudden I'm noting my noticing myself in the middle of the show. I'm like, holy, I'm like, I'm having these thoughts. I'm like, I'm like, and like, it wasn't like I was having a bad time, but I was just getting really introspective at this like show. And I was like, oh, my. I was like, this is definitely hitting me different today. And I attributed to the higher dosages. So like to make a long story short, yes, like
00:35:32
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You typically for ACO DMT will be lighter and will be, um, the headspace will be slightly different than psilocybin, but at higher doses, uh, you can, you, it could definitely get you introspective, philosophical, definitely philosophical and, uh, uh, sentimental, emotional.
00:35:54
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Yeah. Um, with something like for ACO and a lot of these research chemicals, are there issues generally with nausea? Because like for me personally, whenever I eat mushrooms, I mean, it's funny how this happened because when I used to eat mushrooms, like when I first started, I never got sick. I was like, yeah, these things taste great. They're fine. I love them.
00:36:14
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Now, when I, when I look at them, I feel nauseous. So I feel like a lot of it is in my head, but what do you tell people who like, who throw up because I puke literally every single time I eat mushrooms, like 35 minutes, 40 minutes in I'm throwing up.
00:36:29
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Dude, I'm so happy you asked that. So happy you said that. Anyway, for SEO DMT, no nausea at all. Full stop. No, that's actually one of the reasons why I like, I never really got that nauseous from shrooms, but I also really was not like, I would try everything to mask the taste of shrooms. They shrooms really don't taste good at all. Um, but for SEO DMT just has a little bit of a sour, a sourness to it. That's it. And you can, I just, you could literally put it in water and drink it.
00:36:58
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And it's like, or you could just put the powder in your mouth. It's, or you put it in a capsule and you take the capsule. That's actually, that's usually what I do. I put them in capsules myself and I take the capsule. And once again, you don't, you don't need much. If you're doing like an eighth of shrooms and capsules, you're taking a lot of capsules. So.
00:37:17
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No nausea at all, at all. Um, and yeah, one of the biggest, biggest, biggest benefits, uh, for all for ACO DMT. Once again, in my experience and for my own micro dosing protocols. So that's what I use for myself. Um, I love for ACO DMT for that. Uh, it takes a lot of it. I'll tell you this though. So there are these weird associations our brain does make because.
00:37:40
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I like LSD. I've done a lot of LSD in my life. I love LSD. It's it's such a fanat. It's actually the most potent psychedelic microgram for microgram. So it is more potent than DMT, which you wouldn't think so based on the experiences. But when you're doing it, but if you did the equivalent of dosages between, let's say, DMT and LSD, LSD will blow DMT out of the water.
00:38:09
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Um, but LSD is very, very potent. Anyway, I used to do, we used to take tabs, obviously. And I used to take them easily, just put in my mouth, I chew them. Uh, and then I just ended up swallowing it. And then at some point I got this weird gag reflex and like, I couldn't, like, I would take the tabs and then every time after I took the tabs, I'd just be like gagging, like random, like, Oh, like what is happening? And it happened. I like my, I think my mind just like got a hold of it. I was like, dude,
00:38:38
Speaker
What are you doing? Stop eating like the paper. No. And then now if I look at an LSD tab, I will literally just, I feel it in the, in my throat and I'm just, I don't like it.
00:38:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I mean by like, I think part of it is in, in your head.
Therapeutic Potential of Psychedelics
00:38:53
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And for me, it's like the entire come up for me, when I take mushrooms is full of anxiety and I'm just dying on the inside. Um, and then after I throw up, it completely changes. It's like, it's like I'm purging out all that negativity. And then right after I'm like, actually during.
00:39:11
Speaker
The barf I am like, I'm like loving it. It feels good to get it out. And then after that, everything's fine. And you know, it's, it's like smooth sailing from there. Usually. It would be really interesting to see how you would do on for SEO DMT. I would, I would really be interested in like, cause I don't think, I don't think you would puke. Uh, and I like, I don't know. In terms of, I don't know if you're going to have, if you would have anxiety on the come up. Like I said, that can be, that can vary from person to person.
00:39:40
Speaker
But I have yet, I don't like, so like, yeah. Like when you do psychedelics, you feel them building up inside you as, as it's coming up. They call it the come up for a reason. It's you're coming up.
00:39:55
Speaker
Um, and I'll feel it in my chest. Like sometimes you feel it in your chest and, uh, with four ACO DMT, I'll start to feel it and I'll get a little silly, but I don't feel the anxiety. And I do. So like, here's where I'll push back on what I'm saying.
00:40:11
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I don't know if it's because my experience with psychedelics has gone to the point where I just like, there's no fear anymore. Um, so I don't like, I just don't get anxiety. Um, I haven't done actual shrooms, psilocybin shrooms in a, in a while. So I'm, I will actually test that out for you and let you know, uh, what the come up is like for me. Um, and how it hits me. All I've been doing is for four ACO DMT for like,
00:40:39
Speaker
for a really long time now, for over five years now. But it would be interesting to find that out. I always experiment on myself. I love finding this stuff out. It's really intriguing to me.
00:40:55
Speaker
And it would just be interesting to see what happens. But I would say for you, I would say, yeah, if you can try for ACODMT, that would be interesting to see if you don't end up vomiting. And if it's just a much easier come up, I would also say you could try mixing the psilocybin. No, actually I wouldn't do that. I think because MAOIs can cause nausea also. But yeah, for ACODMT.
00:41:21
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Yeah, for sure. I would love to try that. Um, so have you ever experimented with two CB? Cause a lot of times I've heard people describe that as if you mix mushrooms and MDMA, the same way you described that, uh, the previous one you were talking about. I can't remember the name for the life of me. My person, just my person, uh, for HOMIPT. So, uh, two CB and two CI, both of those, uh, two CB is probably in my opinion.
00:41:51
Speaker
the best recreational psychedelic out there. Full stop. Um, it's, it's, you can't, but it's impossible to get, I cannot, I, I've had it only a couple of times. Uh, it was incredible. It was incredible. Um, but.
00:42:09
Speaker
It's just not right. You can't get it. So I don't I try not even to think about it. But yes, I've tried it. I've also done to see I to see I is also really interesting to see I is just just very like very happy. Both of them are very happy to see I even more so to in my opinion to see B is like the full package. You get everything and you rarely
00:42:34
Speaker
doesn't, I never had a bad experience on it or any anxiety even, it was just very smooth, easy and incredibly euphoric and fun. Like psychedelic euphoria is one of the most interesting things to me in the world. Um, because you get in like, so I'll come back to DMT with this too. Like with DMT, with breakthrough DMT experiences, the amount of euphoria you experience is.
00:43:01
Speaker
I have never felt anything like that in my life. Um, and it's just really interesting how your body will experience that much euphoria, but there's no addiction involved around it. Like it's literally there. And then it goes away. It's not like, for example, if people are experiencing extreme amounts of euphoria by doing painkillers or something like that, you're paying a price there because you're creating these new, um, these, these.
00:43:30
Speaker
You're just creating new receptors in your brain. And at some point when you stop doing the same amount of the drug and those receptors are dying off, it's you're experiencing withdrawal symptoms. It doesn't feel good. Psychedelics, you experience some of the highest euphoric points I've ever felt in my life, but there is nothing.
00:43:48
Speaker
Like there is no withdrawal or any weird thing from that. Um, it's very interesting how that works, but yes, I've tried to CB and different to see drugs, uh, and there are psychedelics and there there's, there, it's super, they're super fun. So, uh, I actually spoke to this guy, uh, this Dr. Ivan Castleman.
00:44:08
Speaker
Uh, he is the founder and in the chief psychedelic officer, he gave himself that title of this biotech company called Haven life sciences. He has a doctorate in like plant medicine. He's like, he's a psychonaut with like a doctorate and he's like, no, he knows this stuff. And he was, um,
00:44:30
Speaker
We were talking about two CB and two CI, uh, in this, in this episode that we did together. And he was basically telling me how that, so you, it's two CB. So there's from two CB to two CI, like there are all the letters there. Uh, there's different, there's different like formulations of that out there that no one's trying and we're not experiencing. And it's like basically saying how it's just very interesting. And like, we're once again, to get.
00:44:59
Speaker
To take it back to what I was even saying before is like there's so many psychedelics that we don't even that don't even cross our mind We don't know what we don't know of their existence and they could be like these life-changing amazing profound experiences That we're missing out on but yeah, I've tried to see me
00:45:20
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, uh, the quote unquote designer drug movement where you see a lot of these companies like creating their own drugs, you know, reminded me of Shulkin, which I think he did say that to CB was like his favorite psychedelic that he found. Yeah. He, he, he held.
00:45:37
Speaker
He held two CB in high regard. I probably that probably made an impression on me when when I when I heard that and most likely and probably also framed what like the experience around to CB for me. So there could have been my own bias going into it too because I like our shogun to me is there's
00:45:56
Speaker
there's nothing above him in terms of psychedelics and like, um, and I really like his, I respect his research so much and like, I really, really, I'm like sentimental about him. Um, so with that said though, he's not wrong. It's, it's an incredible, it's an incredible psychedelic. Uh, and like I, I, at some point I think that it's,
00:46:20
Speaker
I'm hoping that, uh, it does come back in some way, whether we can get on the black market. Um, that's what I'm hoping. What happened was is, um, it was scheduled. Um, so like stuff like four ACO DMT and four H O M I P T four H O M E T. All these things are not scheduled yet. So they're not legal, but they're not illegal. So you can get them.
00:46:44
Speaker
To cb was scheduled so that's why you can't get it anymore. You can't there are these companies are these underground companies these labs Where you're getting these research chemicals? They're not making them anymore because it's good. They can actually get in trouble Whereas they can get they can do before ACO DMT because it's not legal and it's not illegal. It's fine. It's in that gray area
00:47:03
Speaker
Um, so I'm hoping like, uh, Joe Biden mentioned that they were going to read the looking into rescheduling marijuana and I'm a whole, and people are saying that they're going to start taking a look at all the other, um,
00:47:16
Speaker
things within that schedule. They're going to look at psychedelics and I'm hoping they, I don't, I don't think they will, but I'm hoping that they, uh, they de-schedule a lot of these tryptamines, uh, and give us maybe not legal access, but maybe that like backdoor access to them again. Yeah. I mean, I don't have much faith in our government to do anything that really benefits us as a people. If it's not like putting money in their pockets, um,
00:47:45
Speaker
But I mean, I guess it is going to put money in their pockets because of the investment opportunities that are happening in this space too. So what about the psychedelic space is so intriguing and what about the actual psychedelic sector of investing is so intriguing.
00:48:02
Speaker
So specifically for, for me is that I know it works. Like I know for a fact that psychedelics work for anxiety, for depression, for PTSD. I have, I've suffered from all of those. Um, uh, and psychedelics were the only thing to help me. I tried antidepressants.
00:48:29
Speaker
Klonopin was a staple in my life for a while. Um, Xanax staple in my life for a while. Nothing worked like psychedelics permanently.
00:48:42
Speaker
Like psychedelics worked full stop. There was no, and like I, obviously I still do psychedelics and I still work with psychedelics, but I do it because I enjoy it now at this point. I just, I don't feel like I'm doing it because I'm, I'm controlling like men mental health things anymore. Even it's just, I love psychedelics and I'm going to keep doing them. I love the insight.
00:49:06
Speaker
Um, I love the perspective shifts, like the amount of perspective that you get from psychedelics. So, sorry, I want to answer your question before I start rambling. Um, basically in regards to why psychedelics, they work. So at the end of the day, you have Prozac, you have all these other antidepressants, um,
00:49:26
Speaker
was that like Buproprion or whatever I can't pronounce I have I don't pronounce things correctly all the time I also have a New York accent and some other weird accent in there from like a different language but in general
00:49:41
Speaker
antidepressants in my opinion might work for some people, but at the end of the day, the way big pharma has things structured is that they want you coming back for these pills all the time. So nothing is actually curing anything. And you know what? Some people, maybe they cannot be cured of their depression or their anxiety or their PTSD. I believe that you could get close to it.
00:50:08
Speaker
If not here it, but the reality is, is antidepressants. The, if you're doing a lot of work with maybe a therapist, who's an amazing therapist while antidepressants, maybe they can give you this. They can most likely maybe give you the space to make changes in your life that are sustainable. I don't want to knock them too much because they're there for a reason. Um, but the reality is, is when you stop taking.
00:50:35
Speaker
Anything for anxiety, like on a pin Xanax or even Gaba Penton, Gaba Penton is prescribed like crazy now because everyone's saying Gaba Penton it's for anxiety, but it has a higher safety profile. You don't get addicted and it doesn't have withdrawals, which couldn't be further from the truth.
00:50:56
Speaker
actually the withdrawals from Gabapentin are just as bad as Benzo withdrawals, just as bad. And they're so hard to come off of. You can literally go on Reddit right now and find whole communities dedicated to people tapering off Gabapentin and how to, how to deal with the withdrawal symptoms that come with that. And that in like, so you'll go to a psychiatrist now and they'll be like clinics for psychiatry now who essentially they're like, yeah,
00:51:24
Speaker
We're not going to prescribe anything like Xanax or anything addictive like Xanax or, um, Klonopin anymore, but we're going to give you gabapentin because we care about you. And it's like.
00:51:37
Speaker
What the hell are you guys doing? I was like, this is the biggest. Can I curse on here? Is that it's the biggest bullshit I've ever heard in my entire life. And like I said, I know from experience, I've taken all of this stuff. I've dealt with the withdrawals of being of coming off of this stuff. It is not fun at all. It sucks. So.
00:52:04
Speaker
Anyway, big pharma wants you to keep coming back for more. So the way everything is structured is you take your, your one pill a day, you get your prescription refilled every month. It is what it is. Some people can make it out of that, but at the end of the day, what happens when you stop taking an anti-depressant or anti-anxiety medication?
00:52:23
Speaker
get withdrawals and they suck. And then what does that do? Oh, okay. Maybe I have to taper off or maybe I just can't, I can't stop yet. Yo, like with psychedelics, you stop them and you're fine. There are nothing there. Once you stop, you're completely okay. You're amazing. You're fine. No withdrawals, no nothing.
00:52:43
Speaker
So it's like, and in my experience, if you do psychedelics in conjunction with therapy, you can move, you can make strides that you're not making while doing antidepressants in therapy. Granted that there can be strides made there, but psychedelics in conjunction with therapy, uh, like I've had people who.
00:53:05
Speaker
who I work with who, who were literally in depressive ruts, ruts for like three years and within two psychedelic therapy sessions, completely different people, completely different people. And then they're like, wow. And it's lasting. So they're like, you know, when, if you've ever been in a depressive episode, um, or if you had like chronic depression in your life, there's always this fear of it coming back. If you're feeling better, it's always just like, okay, I feel fine now.
00:53:34
Speaker
He's going to come back. I'm scared. He's scared. It's scary because it's so debilitating. Um, and in my experience with psychedelics is like, you will, you will kick the depression, anxiety at some point when you kick it. Um, and you'll, and you'll have the fear of it coming back. And then after like a couple of months, like, Oh, it didn't come back yet.
00:53:57
Speaker
What's going on here? And then, but that's also why I also like to do micro dosing protocols
Personal Development and Coaching
00:54:01
Speaker
with it too. Cause micro dosing kind of just like gives you that reminder, that little reassurance, but like, uh, I don't even, I haven't micro dosed or, uh, I haven't micro dosed and probably like three or four months now. Uh, I still do DMT though. So I do DMT probably once.
00:54:22
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Once every two to three weeks, I'll do DMT. Uh, I'll just have my own little session. Uh, and it, it just, it kind of like.
00:54:31
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I don't know if I'm even doing it for mental health. Obviously I'm not doing it for mental health. I'm fine in regards to like where I'm at. There's no depression or anxiety there. Well, anxiety, I think is just something we're all going to deal with in general and day to day basis. I don't think anyone's free of anxiety, but like it's rational anxiety now. It's not like just anxiety, anxiety. That's, that's like irrational anxiety. Um,
00:54:54
Speaker
or magnified anxiety. Um, but I'll do DMT every once in a while. And it's just nice to just, I say, it's like, it's like visiting. It's like, I go and I visit the DMT realm and I come back and I just, it makes me feel reassured and just supported in some, some very weird and interesting way. Um, so to answer your question, why psychedelics it's because they work, um,
00:55:22
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And they work very well. They don't create, um, they don't, you don't become, what's the word I'm thinking? How do I blank on that word? Um, you don't rely on them. You don't need to rely on them. Um, you can, they can work, they can help you work through things and then they can make lasting, you create lasting change. The new neural pathways from the neuroplasticity that's that you're creating in your brain from psychedelics.
00:55:48
Speaker
They're permanent. If you just, you keep, you keep, you keep it going. If you keep, uh, you feel that you're feeling better, you stay intentional, you keep going with that and you build on it. You can have it forever. It's just about once again, just staying within.
00:56:05
Speaker
So like, I have people will talk to me in the book, cause I'm going to have to do psychedelics forever. And I'm like, no, it doesn't, but it doesn't hurt to keep doing them every once in a while to get that reminder of once again, to reignite those neural pathways and to like, to just really, um, to remind you of the new healthy
00:56:31
Speaker
way of existence that you've created for yourself through the psychedelics. Um, if you're using them for mental health reasons and whatnot. Yeah, man, I can 100% agree with you. They, they straight up, they do work. Um, in my own life, they've transformed everything that I ever thought was real. Um, I've seen in friends and family complete transformations as well in really just one or two experiences. Like you don't need to do it all the time. Personally, I agree with you. I like to revisit frequently just.
00:57:00
Speaker
Or I'd say consistently just to remind myself again of that connection that I have, whatever it may be, the spiritual connection or, you know, whatever lessons you get from it. Um, so I do agree. I think it is a good idea to, uh, to maintain that connection and, and keep it going. Yeah, man. I mean, the, the, like I mentioned it before, I like this philosophy in my life in general. So I spoke about perspective.
00:57:24
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Uh, perspective is everything. And what psychedelics will do is they'll like, just literally let you zoom out for the amount of time that you're in the psychedelic experience. And then let's you zoom out a little bit and you just get this perspective shift and it can make you just, just, you just have these like epiphanies, these moments of clarity where you're just like, whoa. Okay. So it doesn't have to be like this anymore.
00:57:54
Speaker
This is amazing or whatever. I'm oversimplifying my explanation, but like the, the, the perspective in my opinion is so much of how we go through life. It's our perspective. I'm stuck in this perspective. I'm in this, this depressive rut and I can't get out of this depressed perspective and you see how you're framing things in your brain. You see it. Everything is going to be framed in a sort of negative skew and you're almost like manifesting these different things in your life. And it's just the, the, the depressive rut is just.
00:58:24
Speaker
It's becoming the cycle and then it feeds into itself and this whole feedback loop. And then you do psychedelics and you get this zoom out moment and it cuts that feedback loop off. And it's basically like, here, let's try this. And that perspective is so important. So in regards to like, I, as humans, I believe that we're growing every day and every minute you're sitting there every day. You have that dialogue in your brain.
00:58:51
Speaker
And you're talking to yourself, you're figuring things out, you're gaining wisdom, experience in life every minute of every day. So psychedelics just make that happen faster for me. And they give you that different perspective where once again, the things that you are learning on a day to day basis are number one, they become more profound and different. And, um,
00:59:21
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Yeah. It's just, once again, it's very easy to maintain the same thought process or the same perspective in your day to day. If you're not, if you're just who you are every day, all the time, but when you add psychedelics to the equation, it, it.
00:59:36
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Forces you to think differently and when you're forced to think differently and all of a sudden have all these different perspectives It makes you so much more powerful in regards to helping yourself into growing into Optimizing yourself like it doesn't have to be just for mental health people. I know people who are
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Coming into it, they just want to be better. It's like, I just want to be better. I want to optimize. They'll say, I want to optimize like, okay, you want to optimize. And they're using psychedelics to just keep being like the best version of the stuff that can be, they can be to keep growing, to keep that. And it's, and it's, and it works and it's great. And like, once again, so like the, just the scope of psychedelics in general is wild to me is wild to me. And it's applicable for so many different people for everyone in my opinion.
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Yeah, that's beautiful, man. Um, and so it's like AdeleX obviously inspired you to start to look into investing and all of that. Um, did these experiences take you anywhere else, whether it be philosophically, spiritually, where you have it, have you been, um, like researching anything or getting into any other things that were inspired by your experiences?
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So in terms of like psychedelics inspired the, the investing in psychedelics, if, if I've gone anywhere because of psychedelics. So I essentially, uh, so I went to school, uh, for psychology. Uh, I had, I had a bachelor of psychology and I got a master's in behavioral science and like, that's what I wanted to do.
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And then out of college, uh, money was on the mind and I, and, and I had always, I had an interest in finance. Uh, I was like ADD kids with ADD that we have it in us, like addictive personalities. And like, I never was into gambling, but stocks was like.
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It ignited something. And I found it very interesting and I got obsessed with it. So I got into finance, but I would have wanted to do like psychology therapy and stuff like that. So what I ended up doing was I went to, I got certified to be a life coach. Sorry. I got certified to be a life coach. And then I just started taking this,
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perspective, not perspective, just I started running with live coaching. And I that's what I still do. It's not like
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something that I do all the, it's not my main job. My main job is, is I do the psychedelic invest stuff. Um, but, uh, I still, I, I coach people, uh, like coaching, uh, therapy. Um, and I also, uh, and like, I don't ever push anyone to do psychedelics or anything like that. But in terms of what psychedelics did for me, is it influenced the way I worked with people too. So all of a sudden.
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I was able to just, it made me better at supporting people. Um, and also listen, like I, I feel like the stigma of psychedelics is like influencing me, my reluctance to say this. Um, but in general, like I will encourage people who I am working with who I know for a fact can handle it. Obviously there is like psychedelics are not for everyone. I just want to say that. So it was like,
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If there are some people with mental health disorders where psychedelics can throw them into manic episodes or hypomania and stuff like that, you do not want to do psychedelics. You do not want to recommend psychedelics to those people. That is not okay. So with that said.
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Um, we'll, I'll assess obviously the people I'm working with. I know them and I've assessed their mental state, like ad nauseam. Uh, I would rec, I recommend psychedelics to them and I will do psychedelic assisted coaching or therapy sessions. Um, I'm not formally trained by any program. Uh, actually all the programs that are available right now are a huge, they they're, it's disgusting how much they're charging. It's like, you want people to be psychedelic therapists.
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But you're going to charge them like, like 40 G's, 40 grand to go and take these classes. Like it's, and it's like, I dunno, it's just wild to me. And at the same time with the amount of, of years under my belt in regards to psychedelics, like 16 years, 15, 16 years is a very long time. Like I, I, I think I have enough of a grasp.
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Um, in terms of the amount of research I put behind the two, um, it's thousands and thousands of hours at this point. Um, and my expert, my experiential learning, um, that like, I can support people with psychedelics as well. And I do psychedelic assisted coaching sessions.
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And, uh, they are really, really awesome. And like some of the, the story I told you about a person who I knew who was like in a, in like, uh, she was like a two or three year depressive rot within two psychedelic coaching sessions. She completely kicked it. She hasn't experienced any depression. She, she will have sessions and she won't be on psychedelics. Like we've only done, uh, two sessions on psychedelics out of, let's say,
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Um, 40 sessions total. Um, and she'll be like, I'm afraid it's going to come back, but it still hasn't. And I'm like, yeah. And then whatever it still hasn't come back and it's not coming back. And it's been a while now at this point. And she's, she's thriving. She's thriving. And like, it's really nice when you get texts from people and it's like, I didn't think I was ever going to come out of this. And all of a sudden is like, life is so much better. And it's like, that's like, so like.
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That's the coolest stuff ever in terms of like, when you see the impact, I know what it did for me. You know what it did for you. We have that experience, but then when you can introduce someone else to that and you can see it change their life, their life too. It's such an awesome feeling. Um, and it's also, I love confirmation bias. Love it. Uh, so it just, it just helps me in terms of being like, yeah, this is, this is real. Cause sometimes I'm like.
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Not I'll never, not knock. I'll never question reality, obviously, but I'm like, what is like, this is like, I've, I was severely, severely depressed for a very long time. Um, my whole time I was working in finance, just not a happy person. Um, and every day I wake up and it's depressed. Depression is even on my mind anymore. Like it's, I don't experience it the way I used to in any capacity, in any capacity.
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Uh, I used to wake up scared. How am I going to be? How's it going to be? How's today going to be? Oh man. And it's just completely different. So the way psychedelics have, have shaped things up for me outside of investing. There's also been through like the coaching and, and like kind of being more courageous into, and I know people, uh, some people will be like that, that they'll say that's irresponsible.
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Um, because I am not a medical professional, but I'm going to push back on that and say that I think that I have more than enough experience. I have probably more experience with psychedelics and most of the medical professionals out there right now. Um, and I've seen some of the classes that they're teaching to these, for these psychedelic therapy classes. And like, they're, it's really nothing significant. So.
01:07:18
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With that said, that's where it is, is that psychedelic coaching, psychedelic therapy, I think that is going to be, that's obviously where we're heading as a society and it's going to change people's lives for the better and permanently. It's not going to be something that we have to keep going back for even you're going to want to keep going back because it works so well.
01:07:41
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Adam, you're awesome, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show today. Uh, can you tell us about your channel and tell people where they can find you? Yeah, for sure. So I have a channel called psychedelic invest. Uh, it's YouTube. You just search up psychedelic invest. Um, I basically, what I'll do is I usually just talk about investing in psychedelic biotech companies and I give my perspective on that.
01:08:06
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I've started branching out into more non-investing topic, non-investing topics on there because honestly, like my real passion is just talking about psychedelics. I can talk about investing and psychedelics all the, all the time. Um, and that's fine, but like talking about psychedelics is where it hits me in the feels. Um,
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So psychedelic invest, uh, you could check it out. There's also psychedelic invest.com. You can go there and check it out. Um, and yeah, you can find me on Reddit and Instagram. Uh, my name is waxing eloquence on there. W A X I N G E L O Q U E N C E. Hit me up. If you want to talk about psychedelics.
01:08:47
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want to talk about investing. If you want to come on the YouTube channel and just talk about psychedelic investing or psychedelics as well. I'm always open to it. And yeah, that's basically what it is. And yeah, that's how to reach me. And that's the YouTube channel. Thank you so much.
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